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Published Date: 02 January 2008
DEPENDING on your point of view, it's a beer-soaked fireworks party for under-30s, or a £40 million driver for the Scottish economy and a world showcase for Edinburgh.
Either way, those behind Edinburgh's Hogmanay breathed a massive sigh of relief yesterday. In two of the last four years, stormy winds had wiped out the New Year celebrations. This year, the party and the fireworks went full steam ahead, despite the
drizzle.

Questions are still being asked, however, about the future of Edinburgh's Hogmanay. It first took formal shape about 15 years ago, but after early rapid growth now faces growing competition from other UK cities, from Belfast to Cardiff.

Edinburgh city council will decide next spring whether to renew its contract with Unique Events, whose chief, Pete Irvine, has shaped the celebrations since they were founded. Three firms are said to be in the running, but there are concerns over whether the Scottish Government will continue its £750,000 annual funding.

Steve Cardownie, the council's deputy leader, has talked about scrapping tickets and barriers for the event. That would potentially open it up to far larger numbers than the 57,500 who paid £5 for tickets to the Princes Street party, along with about 15,000 others heading for the gardens concert and ceilidh.

But memories are still fresh of the near-disaster in 1996 when massive crowds in Princes Street resulted in 600 people being treated in hospital for crushing, and tickets were introduced for the first time.

Yesterday, Irvine said: "If you made it free for all, and still have the fireworks, maybe we would get 200,000 people coming, and that would be irresponsible to say the least. You have to ask what the police would say."

Irvine described what was special for him about Hogmanay. "The power of the event is in its human energy, the gathering of so many people who are good-natured and willing to be with one another," he said. "It's a mass love-in thing, that collective euphoria."

For many international visitors, singing the event's praises on New Year's Day, what mostly mattered was the giant party. "I didn't pay attention to the music, but it was good that it was there," said Lauren Cella, of New York.

London now spends £1 million on its fireworks, threatening to upstage the approximate £100,000 that Edinburgh forks out. Superintendent Andy Tarrant, of the Metropolitan Police, said: "The nature of New Year's Eve in central London has changed. What used to be a relatively low-key, spontaneous night is now a world-class event that attracts thousands and thousands of people."

It has fuelled calls for Edinburgh to market Hogmanay more aggressively as a four-day event. Irvine and others stress the growing success of the "Night Afore" events on the 30th, ranging from a pipes-and-drums procession to street theatre, comedy and a giant ceilidh in George Street.

But the entertainment is free, and that underlines the growing concern over funding. Bands' earnings from CDs are dwindling, and they rely more on concert fees.

Edinburgh's Hogmanay budget is £2.5 million, and tickets for the headline bands at the Concert in the Gardens were £37.50. Irvine said: "Ticket revenues have gone up year on year. The question is, do you call a halt to that or ask for more money from the public? The event has huge safety costs that cannot be covered commercially."

Other ideas have been floated, such as a network of six Scottish cities – Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, Dundee, Inverness, Stirling – to celebrate the season.

Already, other cities are delivering their own Hogmanay street events, with Glasgow hosting Scottish singer-songwriter Amy Macdonald and Stirling putting on a family night with The Proclaimers. Inverness is holding fire until 12 January, with a fireworks show to mark the end of the Highland Year of Culture 2008.

Irvine cites surveys suggesting visitors spend as much as £40 million in Edinburgh over the Christmas and Hogmanay period. Meanwhile, plans to upgrade the Princes Street Gardens' Ross Bandstand for £14 million appear to be on hold.

"The pictures of Edinburgh went round the world last night, along with Sydney, Beijing or Moscow. Do we want to be up there or not? I would say most definitely yes," Irvine added.

IT NEEDS MORE MONEY
DAVID JACKSON, a former manager of Edinburgh's Winter Festivals and now in charge of the Victoria Park outdoor events site in Southport, Merseyside, said: "Standing back from it, you can just see the way that London has put money into their celebrations, and other parts of the country as well.

"Newspaper coverage in the run-up to the New Year was interesting, because the big story was Edinburgh, but six or seven other cities were mentioned as well.

"The major thing about Edinburgh's Hogmanay is it runs four days, and it needs to be protected. There is the torchlight procession and the Night Afore. It's not flash, bang wallop – a few fireworks.

"No matter where you are in the world, everyone sings the Scottish New Year anthem of Auld Lang Syne.

"On a practical level, there is evidence that the marketplace is ripe for Christmas and Hogmanay to have a strong Scottish flavour.

"It comes down to resources and it comes down to ambition as well. If the Scottish Government is serious about making it a truly Scottish winter festival, they have got to put money behind it."

'BROADLY RIGHT'

DONALD ANDERSON, a former Edinburgh city council leader and director of PPS Scotland, said: "Edinburgh's Hogmanay is one of the world's great events. It had a hard time because of two cancellations.

"Monday night seems to have been a success. I think we can look ahead with confidence. The big issue is the funding. As long as funding is there to allow Pete Irvine or whoever to adapt the programme, I see no reason why it can't go from strength to strength.

"When you've got year-to-year local funding, it's hard for the council to give unequivocal guarantees, but everybody wants this event to succeed – there's backing across all political parties.

"Broadly, the format is right, but I'd have liked to see more activities for people on the street."

BUSINESS PLAN

CLARE SMITH is a marketing events consultant.

"Edinburgh's positioned itself as the place to be for Hogmanay for years now but I don't think we've invested in the product enough to maintain that position.

"We need to go further afield to make it an internationally appealing event, and I'm not sure it is. You hear great accents around town but if you look at the statistics, in 2005 there were 13 per cent from abroad.

"Pete Irvine does a fantastic job with the tools he has but there's uncertainty about its funding; he can't plan in advance, he can't get bigger, he can't get creative.

"It does a lot for Scotland generally, so it's not just looking at public-sector investment but getting businesses involved as well."

'EVOLVING CONSTANTLY'
STUART NISBET Is the music programmer of Edinburgh's Hogmanay celebrations.

"We thought the night was a fantastic success. I was delighted with the way that the artists responded and took on board how special the event is.

"All the bands loved it, they were partying at after-show dos until the wee small hours. There were little ceilidhs after the show, with fiddle- playing at hotel function rooms.

"This year we made a concerted decision to make things a little edgier. We had a few years of it being very comfy and more towards the pop end, so we went a little more rocky this year and I think it worked well.

"There is an endless list of things I would like to see changed, and everybody involved has lots of suggestions. I'm sure there will be lots of changes.

"If you have more money you could do better. It's not easy. We can't spend money that we don't have.

"There are thousands of bands out there, and you've got other cities with Hogmanay celebrations, but Edinburgh is the one with real headline status for artists.

"The thing evolves constantly, and has its ups and downs. This year was one of the ups."



The full article contains 1388 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

SophieJ,

Edinburgh 02/01/2008 01:04:47
My criticism has to be aimed at the POOREST EVER COVERAGE I have seen leading up to the bells with Grant Stott and a blonde girl on ITV.

What a waste of time when they could have been focussing on some of the music and the crowds or the Ceilidhs that were going on the cameras showed those two for 95% of the TV time.

Neither of them had anything remotely interesting to say and why was the off duty fireman there who was involved in the Glasgow airport fire situtaion when the land rover was on fire and tried to drive through the airport front last June?

What did that have to do with Hogmanay. People from England who turned on their TVs before midnight and just afterwards would have been bored out of their minds. The drivel on BBC was almost as bad but at least they had some Scottish music playing.

A wasted opportunity from where I was sitting!

2

MWilliams,

Penicuik 02/01/2008 01:53:49
I've been on holiday in Canada over Christmas and Hogmanay and was eagerly hoping to catch a glimpse of Edinburgh festivities on one of the Canadian or American networks.....but nothing! There wasn't even a mention of Edinburgh Hogmanay in the newspapers the next day although London got coverage on both TV and the press. C'mon Edinburgh, you can do better.
3

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 02/01/2008 01:54:41
1 SophieJ, I agree, it has always been the case television coverage of Edinburgh's New Year event is'
'SHOCKING ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING'
The BBC and STV are disgraceful!! considering we are the Capital of Scotland!! in the coverage they give!
'SACK THE LOT OF THEM' IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT' !!

BBC AND STV, a 'DISGRACE utter DISGRACE' !!
4

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 02/01/2008 02:19:40
BTW, I was watching both coverage of Edinburgh's, New Years event on TV for 2008, as DYW was 'baby-sitting' and I had to be her taxi home.
Dreadful! describes it, down to a 'T' !
'Get=rid' of management, on both the BBC and STV, that are responsible for out TV coverage on the,
'Edinburgh Street Party'
They are obviously, 'Old and Decrepit' and live in the 1950s

Even I could have done 'better' at a fraction, of what they pay these 'Muppets'
5

Abit Upset,

Canada 02/01/2008 03:46:53
I found it very disappointing whilst watching coverage over here in Canada. I saw shots of Sydney, Beijing, Moscow, London and New York several times over the evening and caught what was perhaps a three second mention of Edinburgh on BBC World News. Scotland and its' supposedly well known celebration of the New Year really is hardly known to the rest of the world. If the Scots make up approx. 9 - 10% of the BBC's funding ie. Licenses, I'd question the amount of Scottish content in BBC broadcasting as it appears to me that Scotland receives less than 2% of air time. I would also ask what percentage of the BBC's budget is spent in Scotland as opposed to that spent in England. To all my friends here, the BBC is quite simply "English" !
6

rrr,

united states (visitor to Edinburgh) 02/01/2008 04:14:16
as an international visitor who attended hogmanay, i think that it is very fortunate there was not a repeat of 1996 in 2007/08. we had to climb over barriers to get out of the crush of people at 10:30 pm. i can only imagine what it was like at midnight. to eliminate tickets would only increase the crush of people and risk more injuries.

the people were overwhelmingly friendly (and drunk) but there were just toooo many people in one place for safety reasons.
7

Boy Wonder,

02/01/2008 04:25:25
Didn't watch the TV coverage, but by all accounts STV was absolutely appalling. Stott and Watt were a complete waste of space! The BBC was mainly in Glasgow (old story) and was as parochial as ever. Most people I know switched on to Jools Hootenanny which was superb as usual apparently!

Seems to me that TV and Live Events need more joined up thinking, more cash and lots of change for the better. I'd start by getting some fresh thinking from a proper investigation into the funding and the entertainment. If Edinburgh wants to retain its crown, it needs to spend more than London!
8

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 02/01/2008 06:29:27
Just bin it, once a year why not do something that doesn't need any input from government local or otherwise.
9

Iain fae Elgin,

London 02/01/2008 07:33:32
"...calls for Edinburgh to market Hogmanay more aggressively..."

The best parties are always spontaneous....


And don't worry #1, the coverage in London of the Edinburgh celebrations was precisely nil...
10

Mallory,

Edinburgh 02/01/2008 07:44:08
Lets go back to the Tron at Midnight and visiting friends for first foots... 'Ian fae Elgin' is right there is no need to 'organise' Scots at Hogmanay
11

dba,

Edinburgh 02/01/2008 07:51:08
Given that the City COuncil have revealed not one but TWO 'black holes' in their budgets: the fact that many voluntary groups have had their budgets cuts at very short notice: that EVERY Council department has been given draconian cuts....SURELY it is time that 'Edinburgh's Hogmanay' was required to produce AND PUBLISH annual account by Easter to enable INFORMED discussion and decision taking.

The fact that the only people who seem to be reported all either have received benefice from the event now or in the past (some of them a LOT of benefice) would appear to be somewhat one sided.

Audit Scotland and the Council should be producing accurate accounts as to what EVERYONE (Council, Police, Health Board, transport and others, including the contracts for the 'organisers' and foreworks)expend and what EXACTLY is the total income from tickets, souvenirs and sponsorship.

If, as man suspect - the whole thing is being subsidised by public money - then let those who directly benefit, hotels, resturants, bars shops pay for the event through a special levy...then the actual inhabitants of Edinburgh won't have to carry the burden of paying for 100,000 drunbks messing up the most beautiful street in the world for four days and nights.

If I here Mr. Cardownie (Cultural Czar) say how many peoiple the event brings to the City one more time, I will ask him to prove EXACTLY how many come beacuse of Hogmanay. (I'd also like deatils of how many Councillors claim attendance allowance for attending 'Hogmanay' related events and whether or not there is still the free bash for the them at the ROyal Overseas League?

We ARE one of the most beautiful cities of the world...so why do so many councillors and officials seem obsessed with bringing ever increasing numbers to it (More than it was ever designed for) and why, oh why, do they feel they can repeatedly hold massive events in the Gardens which they 'hold in trust'... a trust betrayed and that has caused irreparable damage
12

Mandela,

Johannesburg 02/01/2008 08:40:26
I was so looking forward to watching the celebrations in Edinburgh and all we got from Sky and the BBC was bloody
London .....yep one in the Eye for sure.
13

SC,

02/01/2008 08:45:53
World famous huh? Wha's like us, eh?

Nobody outside of the UK knows Scotland is indistinguishable from England! Wake up! Nobody will cover the new year event from a regional 'English' city when they cover what is happing in London. Even the English won't.

Wake up! Wake up! It is a new year. Wake up!
14

Mike S,

02/01/2008 09:20:46
#3 From the general coverage of news, particularly sport, on BBC News 24 they should change the channels name to EBC and reflect that it is an English NOT British channel. Unfortunately Charles London is the capital of the UK as well as England get used to it or get out.
15

Edward,

02/01/2008 09:22:36
STV were an absolute disgrace!. They had the opportunity to showcase the Hgmany celebrations in Scotland with focus on what is supposed to be the main event in Edinburgh. They only gave 20 minutes and of that most was irrelevant. The BBC did provide more time, being a 60 minute broadcast, but again did not show much of the celebrations in Edinburgh, choosing to have it all in studio in Glasgow with just a minutes worth of a piper on Edinburgh Castle and the fireworks overlaid. Meanwhile the BBC in London are beside themselves showing the fireworks in London and sending on to other tv networks around the world. If I didnt know any better I would be under the impression that the BBC in Scotland are under instruction to underplay the Hogmany celebrations in Scotland!
Is it worth promoting? You bet it is! At one time Ken Livingston put a stop to New celebrations around Travalger Square, numbers declined, hotels complained. I recall that one year there were more people in Edinburgh for Hogmany than London. Livingston had a rethink, now they have it centred along the Thames focused on the London eye. This time (2007/2008) the numbers were reported to be 700,000 in London for the celebrations lots of tv coverage, Hotels no doubt laughing all the way to the bank! Meanwhile in Edinburgh (which is supposed to be the natural home of Hogmany celebrations) it was the same old thing, tired and jaded, hardly any coverage from our own broadcasters and numbers being a lot smaller than before and will continue to dwindle if nothing is done!
Edinburgh needs tourists, tourists need something to see and enjoy. TV coverage forms part of getting the message to the world that there is something to see and enjoy. Its about time Edinburgh got rid of its current organizors and started to work with TV
16

Liam,

02/01/2008 09:43:04
Lok, Sydney or London might be able to launch the most fireworks but Edinburgh (and Scotland) will always be the spiritual home of Hogmanay. I spoke to an Australian couple down on Princes Street on the big night, and despite the climate they said the atmosphere here could not be beaten. It doesn't matter if London spends more money on catherine wheels or whatever - the real party atmosphere was north of the border on Monday night, and tourists the world over know it.

Yes, BBC News did their usual and focused wholly on London. But God help us when BBC Clydeside prefer to put on a load of daft nonsense in a studio and barely acknowledge the world's greatest Hogmanaya party just 40 miles up the road from them. They should hang their parochial heads in shame.
17

Profit Seeker,

TV disgrace 02/01/2008 09:45:23
The BBC and STV should be ashamed of their crap cobverage. Is the event worthwile? Of course it is it raised million of £ for the city.

The travesty is that our local TV stations cannot even be bothered to cover it. Given that, I agree with #17 above. Its a great event but lets not kid ourselves that its a national showcase. If we cannot even get local TV coverage what chance is there if it getting coverage further afield.

What the hell are BBC Scotland doing with our licence fees?

18

Mike S,

02/01/2008 09:46:32
Perhaps the BBC Scotland team were too blitzed to present from Edinburgh or else they did not want to get out of the nice new cosy studios. Did they have licence-payer subsidised refreshments in the studio?
19

Liam,

02/01/2008 09:51:03
# 21 - shame on you. No doubt there's a nice cosy job for you at the London tourist board. Ask any REAL Scot and they'll tell you that Scotland is the place to do at Hogmanay. It's in our blood here.
20

Mackie,

Edinburgh 02/01/2008 10:05:08
Seems to be a lot here about the TV programmes, which is only in part relevant.
Get the cost figures for the Hogmany celebrations out into the papers in detail. (Can the Scotsman reporters press for this?)
Or are these figures just too volatile for the Edinburgh Council Tax payer to see? (I already hear the "immeasurable Benefits" argument!)
Any professional organisation would have all the accounts done for this, and there have been 15 New Years to practice.
You just never hear the cost of this as the conversation always turns immediatly to the "Immesurable benefits".
Scotsman reporters should be hounding the various agencies involved to come up with the true financial cost (and story) behind this enormous, farcical, financial junket.
21

Profit Seeker,

Edinburgh Council tax payer 02/01/2008 10:13:33
Mackie #25. well said where is all the hard nosed journalism and holding them to accout. Its about time we knew teh cost? Liek you I hear all teh benefit arguments and in fairness I think there is vast benefit to Edinburgh. BUT at what cost? It all needs to be open and above board.
22

Logie Almond,

02/01/2008 10:42:15
#s11 and 25 are quite right. It is the old story that the "Edinburgh economy" benefits by millions of pounds. But who or what exactly is the "Edinburgh economy"? It certainly isn't the Council and its hard-pressed taxpayers. Bars, hotels, restaurants and shops all benefit from the events, but are notoriously unwilling to put any funding into it. And even the business rates which these enterprises pay are taken away by the Scottish Executive and given to local authorities in other parts of Scotland. So the suggestion that we need a long, cool look at the real costs and benefits of this event is long overdue.
23

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 02/01/2008 10:49:22
This "traditional Scottish New Year" celebration is one of the biggest stereotypical frauds perpetrated on the world, and it's only right that it gets the media coverage it deserves, namely VERY LITTLE.

The whole thing came about because of some incomprehensible desire to somehow be like the Irish with their culturally reductive "St." Patrick's Day
so-called celebration.

Public money shoud never be spent on what amounts to a mass 'p*ss up' in the street.

We see how it unfolds every year - can you imagine how it would be if they tried to organise it in a brewery?

24

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 02/01/2008 11:02:07
Irvine will object as above without coming up with alternatives as that is his revenue stream.

However, making the event more local community based would stop the crushing in Princes Street.

Fireworks on the various hills around the city, utilising smaller venues around the city would make it far more local community based.

There are reports the main festivals in August face added competition now, the council should focus on these or end up with 2 events that are not all they could have been.
25

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 02/01/2008 11:04:10
15 Mike S,

"Charles London is the capital of the UK as well as England get used to it or get out."

'Dinny get 'wide' with me pal'!

I am Edinburgh 'born-and-bred' and I have NO intentions moving anywhere, least of all, for the English!
26

Shameless,

Mont Revard, Haute Savoie, France 02/01/2008 11:08:29
Reality check for little Scotlanders!

Wake up and smell the hot porridge - no-one out there knows or really cares a fig or a wet fag about "Scottish" Hogmanay.

Edinburgh & Glasgow have been overtaken, trumped & gazumped by other more attractive locations and are hardly visible on the global radar - so STOP pouring taxpayers' money down a drain & into a black hole such as that which exists in Pete "Gaylord" Irvine's trooser pockets.

As for TV coverage, both BBC & ITV were so appalling, we found that even fronted by my old friend the sleaze-ball Patrick Sebastian himself, the main French TV5 programme to be much more entertaining. At least it wasn't cringe-inducing.....!
27

bill-alba,

02/01/2008 11:10:38
#28 What has St Patricks day got to do with it??

New Year street parties on the TV??? who cares, and as for the news about London...whats has a fireworks display got to do with new year..
Lets break away from this world wide city fireworks disply and celebrate new year on the 12th of Jan.
28

Mop,

*********** 02/01/2008 11:14:53
I think the coverage with Grant Stott and the blonde (dont know who she was) was abominable.The cameraman was a pure amateaur I could have done better myself.All I could see was the side of folks faces,they looked like it was filmed on a very narrow balcony,perhaps someone from stv could comment on here as to what actually happened?
How was the coverage so crap?

Scrap this farce and get Hogmanay back to what its all about-being with your family,friends and neighbours.
The days when you could roam Edinburgh freely and go from house to house were so much better,proper first footing.The best Hogmanays I had were either in my house or other folks.Not crushed into one street watching sh*** bands.
29

Shameless,

Mont Revard, as above 02/01/2008 11:16:16
I forgot to add a suggestion that Tim Cornwell really ought to up his game by improving the insight, quality & standard of articles such as the above. All in all, a poor reflection of Scottishness, when a sloppy, blunt piece misses big fat open targets such as the "Scottish Hogmanay" scam, cooncillors nosing with their lovers and luvvies in the New Year trough of plenty and Pete "Ghastly/GetRichQuick/KissMeQuick/Gaylord" Irvine.
30

Shameless,

WORST SMALL HOGMANAY PARTY IN THE WORLD 02/01/2008 11:22:49
The upshot of all this lower-quartile posturing at New Year time is that Scotland looks for all the world like a second-rate curious carbuncle on the backside of England. No more - no less.

Nuff said. Stick to the knitting guys - and that includes YOU... Steve Cardownie, Donald Abortion and Paul Bush - crawl back into your holes in the ground, where you will certainly encounter the grovelling, slobbering Pete "Idiotic" Irvine.
31

Richard,

Broxburn 02/01/2008 11:58:06
Shameless,
WORST SMALL HOGMANAY PARTY IN THE WORLD

What's with the Pete Irvine fixation, are you a spurned ex?
32

Gothic Rose,

02/01/2008 12:24:32
As I was saying,before being sooo rudely, interrupted by the "Scotsman" Its time for more imaginative innovation.Something more exclusive,thereby ensuring its success.Leave the advertising to the imitators.
33

Badgerczars,

02/01/2008 12:39:05
well, went for the first time, took a foreign visitor, ticked the box but probably would not do it again. Apart from the fact that the smoke obscured most of the fireworks from Princes Street, being sober obviously put a different slant on it for us
34

calum,

02/01/2008 12:41:49
Before you know where you want to go, Scotsman, you have to know where you have been. Why don't you, as some have been suggesting for years on these pages, indulge in some real journalism and find out just how this "Edinburgh Hogmanay" came about from 1993.
The liaisons, the friendships, the co-directorships, the influences, the pressures, the "can do", the "damn the safety", the near disasters in '96 (in spite of organisers being told that Ocean Colour Scene were not some unknown band), the blase, damn them all attitude,too close to the organisers councillors (yes, including you Donald), that has dogged this event and prevented its evolution and development.
The same old imported stilt walkers, flag wavers, cheap(ish) bands, drum bagers and now selling alcohol in the closed area. This event went stale years ago and still the same company was appointed year after year after year by the same councillors and same influences, some of whom had a financial interest in who got sub-contracts and who didn't. The same old squibs to end it all - Highland Year of Culture to end with a firework show and the company contracted to organise it is ........ all together, Unique Events and Pete Irvine !!
All supported by the Scotsman, so the chances of the Edinburgh Hogmanay and Unique ever being investigated properly in this paper are NIL. Part of the problem. But listen to the posters here, I dare you.
35

BennyB,

Paris 02/01/2008 12:49:55
Outside the UK few have heard of Hogmonay in scotland, let alone in Edinburgh. Few even know where edinburgh is!!! In France, here, nobody has ever heard of it.
World Class it may be, but unkown it deffinetely is.
Let's not exagerate things, Hogmanay in Edinburgh is a Scottish thing, no more...at least for the time being.

On a personal not, with so many drunks in the street, it really is not that great!
36

Shameless,

Loos 02/01/2008 13:12:07
Shucks, #37 Richard - give me break! I'm totally straight (up & down, buddy...) but even assuming a full sex-change I wouldn't touch that grovelling, unkempt, voluble and self-obsessed jellied eel with your 10 footer.....

That goes for the pitifully fat overfed (on OUR funds) Sassenach Paul Bush of EventScotland as well. When will these shmucks be found out and disposed of? That is indeed the question.
37

Shameless,

More Loos 02/01/2008 13:16:31
And you can add to the list (former - ha ha) baldy cooncillor Donald Abortion!

Probably that Steve Cardownie, too - I don't know the fellow, but since he is somewhere involved in local government, there MUST be a nasty aroma around him as well.
38

d.j.,

02/01/2008 14:32:03
Some day soon the Edinburgh Hogmanay event will hopefully be called the Edinburgh English Mid-Winter Cultural Band Festival. Indeed what else could it be described or called.
39

Andrew.,

Oxford 02/01/2008 16:08:02
Hogmanay/New Years Day? It's not anything special really. Very few things are anymore.

I took a healthy walk into the city centre (of Oxford) yesterday and enjoyed a coffee and muffin in Starbucks - most major shops were open, trading as normal and buses operating to a Saturday service. At least there is somewhere for the tourists to have a coffee these days!

As for the Hogmanay shows, one of these days BBC or STV will work out that they don't really need to have "celebs" pretending to party. Just give us live crowd scenes from Inverness, Aberdeen, Stirling, Edinburgh or Glasgow with live background music it's unlikely that all 5 would be cancelled.



40

d.j.,

02/01/2008 16:18:24
49 Andrew., Oxford
Hogmanay/New Years Day
Is it time to have all the same holidays as they have in England? After all we are all part of the same nation aren't we?
41

Gothic Rose,

02/01/2008 16:23:40
42#BennyB,
DO NOT BELIEVE YOU!!!
42

WL,

livingston 02/01/2008 20:24:19
I could not watch BBC's Hogmanay programme, but I did watch "Hogmanay on TV: The Glory Years" on BBC1 on Sunday 30 December; that was an excellent programme and the programme on 31 December could not have been any better.
43

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 02/01/2008 21:57:44
#32 - the point I'm trying to make is that Edinburgh's (and by extension, Scotland's) Hogmanay is, like the "Oirish" St. Patrick's Day parades, totally manufactured and reductive, presenting an image that never really existed, of some sort of localised folk festival that WE think should have worldwide recognition, because we can't face up to the fact that we are not a major player.

A guid New Year to ane an a'
44

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/01/2008 23:20:19
Hmmm? Let me see now, what do the major players have at Hogmanay? Big city names, a big city square to stand in and a big fireworks display.

When I was younger Hogmanay was about opening your doors to people and being a friendly host to kith, kin and stranger alike. We walked the streets. The streets were ours, open and friendly.

Maybe you can't televise that but it might be unique.

I think Scotland has lost the initiative here by moving more towards the commercialised package as practised around the world for television spectactular.

Time perhaps to combine the past with the present by adopting the earlier suggestion of spreading the fireworks display with a combination of meeting points and having an open house policy amongst the hostelries in the various areas involved. An open house pass could be bought instead of a Princes Street pass and this would allow access to all the public entertainment venues which had signed up to the event.

Visitors and locals could walk to any type of entertainment which was provided and share in the traditional Scottish way.

It is also a time to root out the camera crews who can't be ersed traversing the M8 at any time of the year
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sundaygirl,

sydney 03/01/2008 00:49:57
I am totally unsurprised at this article and the comments so far. I've been to edinburgh's hogmanay five times and this was my second nye away from home. Granted the fireworks here in Sydney were amazing, and I had a brilliant night. But there was not the same atmosphere as the night in Edinburgh. My favourite part of the night in Edinburgh is after the bells when everyone hugs everyone and you can't get along the street without getting hand shakes and hugs from total strangers. You don't get that anywhere else and Scottish people need to learn to appreciate when they have a good thing and invest in it! We're never going to get the same budget as London or Sydney for an event like this - if there was there would be uproar in the papers that too much is being spent on it anyway! I think Edinburgh would be foolish to be pull out of such a good thing. Granted it probably needs a boost in marketing - I think changing it to a four day event and marketing it internationally is a great idea. Stop being so negative and get behind an excellent scottish event before you kill it off!
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BusOff,

West Linton 03/01/2008 16:30:04
If(rpt)if Edinburgh is the Capital of Scotland then why oh why does STV have as their backdrop a scene of GLASGOW!!!!!

As a neutral I agree the TV coverage by both channels was yuk - STV even managed to have their cameras set up in the wrong place as the prevailing wind pushed the smoke over two thirds of the screen - why didn't they pan back and let us see along Princes Street - where did they dig those two reporters from!!!

Still when the trams arrive on Princes Street they will no doubt be adorned with lights like the Blackpool trams!!!!

Happy New Year

 

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