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Scots housebuilders demand 'drastic' cut in interest rates



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Published Date: 05 June 2008
HOUSEBUILDERS yesterday issued a call for a "drastic" 0.5 per cent cut in interest rates from the Bank of England today as new analysis from investment bank experts revealed "extreme weakness" in the housing market.

The rate-cut demand came as shares in most of the major housebuilders plummeted yesterday after analysts downgraded their ratings amid fears that the UK is now heading for a major housing crisis.

Last night, the Scottish Building Federation (S
BF) and the Home Builders' Federation (HBF) both called for the Bank's monetary policy committee to cut interest rates to 4.5 per cent.

Michael Levack, chief executive of the SBF, said: "What we really need is a drastic interest rate cut – in reality, we can't expect more than 0.5 per cent this month, but that would be a start.

"Even a half per cent cut would be enough to give the market a boost."

HBF director of economic affairs John Stewart said:

"We just cannot rely on lessons learnt and solutions based on past downturns as this is a completely new situation in which we find ourselves."

Housebuilding shares fell sharply on downgrades from brokers. UBS cut its recommendations on Persimmon, Bellway and Redrow to "sell" from "neutral" and slashed price targets on Persimmon to 400p from 640p, Bellway to 580p from 795p and Redrow to 208p from 285p.

The broker more than halved its target price on Barratt Developments to 160p from 375p, but retained its "neutral" rating on the builder, as well as rivals Bovis and Taylor Wimpey.

Barratt ended the day 8.14 per cent down at 143.75p, while Taylor Wimpey dropped 5.17 per cent to 78p and Redrow fell 4.14 per cent to 214p.

Persimmon bucked the trend, surviving the session just 0.27 per cent lower.

UBS analyst Mark Stockdale said: "In light of the rapidly worsening conditions in UK housebuilding...we think it is now becoming inevitable that sector profits are going to come under extreme pressure."

The latest monthly report from the HBF showed that more than two-thirds of builders reported lower prices in April. It said that the use of sales incentives also continued to expand, while the net number of prospective home buyers visiting sites was the fourth-weakest since the federation's survey began in early 1992.

In an analysis of the UK housing figures published yesterday, Citi – one of the world's leading investment banks – warned there was "extreme weakness in housing activity".

It added that the UK housing surveys were now similar to those in the USA, where there is a full-scale housing slump.

Michael Saunders, an analyst at Citi, said: "All measures of housing activity are extremely weak and, with the credit crunch and deteriorating economic backdrop, housing demand and prices are likely to stay very weak."

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  • Last Updated: 04 June 2008 9:10 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Kingston,

Singapore 05/06/2008 05:28:07
These "housebuilders" have made massive profits over the last 10 years and ruined much of the Scottish country side.

They now "demand" that the Bank of England lower interest rates.

Instead there should be a public inquiry into the corruption within local councils and planning authorities. Look at Dunfermline as an example of unregulated development.

The Scotsman rather than lobbying for these housebuilders, should be exposing this corruption.
2

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 05/06/2008 07:16:56
Tinkering with interest rates would be a waste of time, a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic or fiddling while Rome burns. Housebuilders shoul bite the bullet and downsize or even shut down if they can't sell the properties they build on spec. Estate agents will have to undo all that expansion during the good times, so will others.
3

Jocky,

Elgin 05/06/2008 08:10:29
For the past 8 years now the housebuyer has been well and truly mugged by developers (and contractors) none of whom could go wrong and all have created significant wealth for themselves way above the average, so it is mystery why after only 3-4 months of a downturn they are squeeling so loudly. The thought of slowing down a filmstar lifestyle must be sending a shiver down their spines!
4

ccc,

05/06/2008 08:40:24
This is laughable. It really is.

Take the bad times with the good. If you cant do that you shoudl not be in business. Michael Levack just get real and sack half your workforce then start selling your houses for a reasonable price. How is that for a plan...
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Sedov,

Scotland 05/06/2008 10:08:15
I agree with all the comments on the above posts. The housing market is a microism of the present crisis hitting the market - a crisis of the greedy out for more and more money regardless of the consenquencies for the majority. Could this be a turning point in the way we plan our society?
7

Between the lines,

Scotland 05/06/2008 12:40:34
These companies have an ABSOLUTE CHEEK to DEMAND an interest rate cut! They have been ripping off the public for years with their sky-high prices for mediocre new-build properties. I DEMAND that they lower their prices to stimulate consumer interest, if they can't do that then they deserve all that's coming to them - they should start living in the real world like everyone else.

It seems that whenever an industry that previously had it very good encounters any slight difficulty then the government (i.e. the taxpayer) is expected to bail them out; the case of Northern Rock and the greedy fishermen "who can't afford their fuel bills" are prime examples of this.

People in this country need to learn to take responsibility for their financial decision-making and to not expect the Nanny government to wipe their tears when then their poor judgement comes back to haunt them.
8

JoeB,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 12:43:26
If the house builders want to sell their houses, why don’t they just reduce their prices to realistic levels. That’s what other businesses have to do once the good times end. The have pushed prices above realistic levels over the past few years, it’s now time for the prices to start coming back down. i.e Market Correction. My guess is they will be too greedy to consider this.

Also, if they tried building the houses correctly it may help. About a year ago I was looking to move from a flat to a house, but every show home I visited had bouncing and squeaky floor boards, trim hanging off, badly finished surfaces and the list went on. I expect a show home to demonstrate the house builders best efforts, but if this is the best they can do, what will they be selling to their customers? Then try and get the snagging fixed, if my experience with my new flat was typical, I would certainly advise people not to pay the full amount when they move in, just keep 5-10% back and pay it once all snagging is complete. In the end I opted for an older house that I am currently renovating, and I am in charge so I can verify all work is done correctly.
9

daveplip,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 13:04:13
I work for a major housebuilder, and the point a number of you are missing is that the high selling prices we have seen have been driven by land values. Land values are inextricably linked to sales prices, and the demand we have seen for housing has led to huge increases in land values for residential. I.e. c.£250k per acre in 2000 to £1,000,000 per acre at the peak last year. Housebuilders tend to take a fixed profit margin from any site, much like many other business model. Yes we have made money, but is that a crime? As for comments to simply "reduce our prices", having already paid for the land and construction reductions in price come out of the bottom line- and there isnt as much bunce as you might think before the margin slips to a level where we would be aswell investing the money in the bank- at least we would get 6%!

Yes, a request to reduce the interest rates is to try and limit the damage to the business, but again is it a crime to try and protect a business interest? Remember all the biggest housebuilders have shareholders to answer to. Also, dont forget that a decline in housebuilding and dropping prices will lead the country into a full blown recession. And nobody wants that...

As for "destroying the countryside" dont blame the housebuilders, blame the planners for approving the application!
10

Venachar,

05/06/2008 13:14:27
#9

They have on the quiet! My daughter got £7k off the asking price for her flat, with carpets and all appliances. New property which is better laid out and better sized than a lot of upgraded properties in the area for the same sort of money. Use your common sense and look around and be prepared to haggle, it's your money afterall.

The problem for first time buyers is coming up with the hefty deposits now required, but this is only the same prudent criteria that the building societies had thirty years ago. The days of easy credit are over so the younger members of our society are going to get into the savings habit quite quickly.

11

Busymale,

05/06/2008 13:16:32
I was house hunting and speak to New Home Builders regularly. They continue to ask unrealistic prices in a market that has changed. They still cling to the price expectation they had when they bought the land and Barrett used to incerease their prices by 3% each month. Totally unsustainable!

If we can't get anything more than the falling market rate then why should we pay top dollar for their intransigent arrogance?

"You can't buck the market" said Thatcher!
12

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 05/06/2008 13:49:48
The man from the housebuilder's educates us thusly:

"I work for a major housebuilder, and the point a number of you are missing is that the high selling prices we have seen have been driven by land values."

I have great news for you then: land values are falling too!
13

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 05/06/2008 13:51:24
The man from the builders has a question:

"Yes, a request to reduce the interest rates is to try and limit the damage to the business, but again is it a crime to try and protect a business interest?"

We need higher interest rates to save the country from inflation. You should have protected your business interest by putting money aside during the bubble.
14

John N,

Edinburgh 05/06/2008 13:52:58
#10 has it spot on. I might add that there is a dire shortage of skilled labour, which is great for the guys on site who get paid well relative to times gone by, but rubbish for getting enough quality people and a building at a price the customer can bear. The costs are pretty fixed, and its not realistic to expect the housebuilders to sell at a loss.

Any by the way, anybody who's got a pension will have an investment in these companies. How are you gonna feel when x% of your pension gets wiped out because these guys haven't made a profit?

It's not just the developers who are suffering. They've already laid off thousands (and I don't hear much sympathy for those guys now out of work), with similar redundancies for estate agents, solicitors already. Surveyors, bankers, engineers, architects, planners just around the corner. Next will be the restaurants, shops and holiday companies. How many of you will feel secure in your jobs when it starts to affect you? Might you then think that a .5% cut to boost credit availability might not have been such a bad idea?
15

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, newington 05/06/2008 13:54:35
The man from the builders again:

"Remember all the biggest housebuilders have shareholders to answer to. Also, dont forget that a decline in housebuilding and dropping prices will lead the country into a full blown recession. And nobody wants that..."

Wrong again. I strongly believe that this country needs a damned good recession to wring out all the misallocated investment. A great deal of this lies in property sectors.

If, like the Japanese, we can get house prices down 90% from peak price, we'll be able not only to live comfortably, but will have moneey remaining to drive an economic book that is not built on debt.

The bubble is over and the cure has arrived. Embrace it or go to the wall.
16

Oh for the banter,

05/06/2008 13:55:23
#10 you are an eejit mate. So since a major housebuilder took a risk on a land purchase that has turned sour the country should bail them out by risking inflation. You guys are truly the problem with your blinkered views.

Lowering IR's wont work anyway just check the US, the banks are keeping the cash to save themselves. All it means is savings rates will be lower. Interest rates should be going up if anything!
17

Oh for the banter,

05/06/2008 13:59:22
"might add that there is a dire shortage of skilled labour"

I think a business as profit grabbing as house builders will look at 2 tradesman and go for the cheaper one every time. Newbuild build standards! Dont make me laugh.

The second we started seeing houses as a speculative asset we were always doomed. You guys ran the good times and you will now be hit by the bad times.
18

think about it....,

edinburgh 05/06/2008 14:01:22
Its all very well to think that housebuilders might deserve what they are getting, but just think about this.

By selling homes housebuilders purchase and use -
* bricks, blocks, windows, doors, heating systems, roof tiles, kitchens, bathrooms etc etc
* they also employ all the tradesmen that fit the above
* they buy literature and advertising
* they use the services of estate agents, solicitors, valuers, banks & building societies etc
* the homes that customers buy need carpets & curtains and furniture
* and the list goes on

If they sell fewer homes then they will need less of the above...

So, if you (or any of your family or friends) works in any of the above industries then YOU too will be affected by this. Its not just the housebuilding industry that will be affcted by a downturn, it will affect nearly ALL of us in some way.


19

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 05/06/2008 14:03:59
"It's not just the developers who are suffering. They've already laid off thousands (and I don't hear much sympathy for those guys now out of work), with similar redundancies for estate agents, solicitors already. Surveyors, bankers, engineers, architects, planners just around the corner. Next will be the restaurants, shops and holiday companies."

Exactly so, in fact I'm detecting the first signs of this hitting the retailers.

Nevertheless, I think there's a further phase of the financial crunch to come when something goes awry in the CDS markets. That will most likely make what's gone before look like a picnic - if only because the CDS markets dwarf everything else.

That really will put the crimp on banking cash, and all the governments in the world don't have thee money to bail out those markets. In the aftermath, I suspect it will be huge news if *anyone* is offered a mortgage.

On the plus side: once we're in deflation, I expect we will see cuts in interest rates - all the way to zero. It won't have much effect on mortgage rates though.
20

Oh for the banter,

05/06/2008 14:08:49
exactly the same can be said for the banking sector and for the retail sector and tourism to a degree.

I agree this will affect the wider economy but as for any business that hasn't saved in the good times to cover for the bad times (sounds like UK in general tbh)it is simply bad management and there is only so much the UK population can take. Lowering IR's will trigger even more inflation and you will need a supermarket trolley of cash to get a loaf of bread.

People are not going to buy these new builds either due to sentiment or not being able to get a mortgage. Either way house builders will not sell their stock without lowering prices, maybe even having to make a loss or rent them out until things improve.
21

daveplip,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 16:43:02
#17 Blinkered views? The housebuilders arent out pleading poverty- yes we made money when times were good, and we are aware that property is a cyclical industry. This is a capitalist society, remember?

Do I think that the national concern should be protecting builders? Of course not. I think the national concern should be protecting the economy as far as possible, within reason, and limiting the damage as far as possible.

Is some of that damage the result of irresponsible people borrowing too much? Yes. But an economic downturn will affect more than just them- innocent people in related industries as someone else pointed out. You are focussing on the "WHY" rather then than "problem". An economic downturn is inevitable in a cyclical system, but we have a place to do what we can to limit the effects of it.
22

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

05/06/2008 18:48:33
daveplip is back with:

"The housebuilders arent out pleading poverty- yes we made money when times were good, and we are aware that property is a cyclical industry. This is a capitalist society, remember?"

Hold that thought...

"An economic downturn is inevitable in a cyclical system, but we have a place to do what we can to limit the effects of it."

Perhaps, but government interference in the interest rate is essentially soviet-style manipulation of the most important price in the economy. That's hardly the mark of a capitalist society now is it?

You note that an economic downturn is inevitable. We should ask what economic downturns actually achieve. They're there to free up resources and workers who have been misallocated during the boom part of the credit cycle, and which became profitable only through the mispricing of credit. Those people and resources will be necessary to power the next boom.

Thus it's hardly sensible to try to prevent it happening. It both delays the next boom, and inevitably leads to a later but harder credit crunch.

In fact I'd argue that we were due this crunch back at the tech stocks crash in 2000. Only the manipulation lower of interest rates by Brown and Greenspan to ridiculously low levels prevented the necessary recession back then, and took the credit bubble to new and more ridiculous levels.

I yet expect the two of them to go down in history as the people who saved a recession at the cost of a depression. Adding to their recklessness at this point is the very last thing the economy needs.

23

Cat Sloan,

Washington State, USA 05/06/2008 21:55:05
It is so interesting to read the perspective of the citizens of Scotland on the worldwide crisis we find ourselves in. My sister lives in Edinburgh with her Scottish husband, and I had the privelege to visit last spring. I have never seen a more beautiful and green place in my life. We toured from top to bottom, and side to side. It was an incredible trip to stay with someone who lives there so I could see life up close. Everyday things like the grocery store, shopping malls and the like. As you know my paltry dollars didn't go very far against the pound, but that wasn't why I was there anyway. I really don't understand why the exchanges are so different from country to country anyway.

I do know that the average middle wage american is being squeezed quite uncomfortably and we don't see any relief in the short term. I do believe we have all gotten spoiled buying latte's, getting pedicures, over consuming goods, and thinking we all deserve the good life. There is nothing wrong with the good life in general, but many folks seemed to think it was a good idea to buy beyond their means and not deny themselves every little thing their heart desired. That means bigger homes, new furniture, new cars, the best clothing and massive trips to Costo. How much does a person really need anyway.

My husband and I were the happiest when we lived on a little 30ft sailboat with no possessions than we are living in a house with a yard. Just more to take care of and buy stuff for. My husband is a civil engineer and we are experiencing first hand how fast your life can change when all sectors of growth slow down. It's pretty grim with it hurting most people who can ill afford the higher gas and grocery bills.

Just my 2Cents from across the pond, and hoping we all can have a better outlook soon. That little sailboat looks so good right now, and I would love to have it in your beautiful country!
24

daveplip,

Glasgow 05/06/2008 23:11:17
#24- Fernando I think youll find I said limit the damage, rather than prevent an economic downturn. Just so you have your facts straight...

I hear what your saying, but I wouldnt want to be the one trying to tell the people of the nation facing redundancy that their unfortunate position is as a result of being "misallocated during the boom part". I am sure that will give them great comfort while they spend the x number of years waiting for the next boom (and a job) and retrain for a new skillset while there at it...seeing as they were "misallocated".

Hey if only you spoke up a bit louder during the boom times we could have done something about it...isnt hingsight a wonderful thing?

 

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