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Iran warns of 'drug tsunami' if UN cash for patrols is cut



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Published Date: 25 June 2008
EUROPE could be hit by a "heroin tsunami" if Iran's war against drug trafficking from Afghanistan is undermined by reduced western support because of the stand-off over Tehran's nuclear programme.
British police estimate 90 per cent of the heroin on UK streets originates in Afghanistan and the British government has often praised Iran's determined efforts to stem the flow.

The UN credits Iran for seizing 80 per cent of the opium netted aro
und the world last year. Over that period, Iran says it seized 900 tonnes of narcotics coming from Afghanistan, where anti-drugs efforts are a responsibility of overstretched British forces in Helmand province.

Statistics suggest the British effort leaves room for improvement. The UN drugs and crime office says Afghanistan's production of opium – the raw material for heroin – increased from 6,100 tonnes in 2006 to 8,200 tonnes in 2007, accounting for 93 per cent of global production. Some Iran watchers detected an implicit warning over enhanced western co-operation with Iran's anti-drugs effort in the wording of a package of technological, political and economic incentives made to Iran by world powers last weekend.

One section refers to "intensified co-operation in the fight against drug trafficking" from Afghanistan.

The package deal – by the United States, Britain, China, Russia, France and Germany – is conditional on Iran suspending uranium enrichment, which the West fears could be used to develop nuclear weapons. Iranian leaders have expressed interest in negotiating aspects of the offer but are adamant that halting uranium enrichment is a "red line" they will never cross.

UN officials believe any link between supporting Iran's counter-narcotics campaign and the nuclear issue would be counter-productive, insisting that the war on drugs should be viewed as a "non-political area of mutual interest".

Antonio Maria Costa, the director of the UN's drugs and crime office, said: "We should definitely assist Iran in this respect." He said a "heroin tsunami" could hit Europe if drug action by Iran was weakened.

Iran's most senior anti-drugs official, Ismail Ahmadi Moghaddam, said: "Fighting drug trafficking should not be politicised. When narcotics reach Europe, people, not governments, suffer."

But a spokeswoman for the Foreign Office in London insisted last night that enhanced co-operation with Iran's anti-drugs effort was not conditional on Tehran accepting the West's deal. "We are keen to increase co-operation on counter-narcotics," she said.

Britain has given funds through the UN to help Iran fight the anti-drugs war. London has also made exceptions to its arms embargo against Iran to donate flak jackets and night-vision gear for Iranian border forces.

But Tehran has long complained it has to shoulder the burden mostly alone, with meagre aid from the international community. Iran has invested millions in blocking trafficking routes from Afghanistan with concrete walls across mountain passes. Trenches have been dug in deserts overlooked by hundreds of watch towers.

The human cost has been higher. Iran has some 30,000 troops on drug patrols in border areas and has lost more than 3,500 law enforcement officers in clashes with armed drug traffickers in the last two decades.

"Co-operating with Iran on this and other issues is not a favour we do for Iran – but something we need to do in our own interest," said Barnett Rubin, a US expert on Afghanistan.

Iran also sees itself as a victim of the West's demand for heroin. By blocking Afghan heroin from reaching Europe, Iran says it suffers a costly spillover effect. Half of the drugs leaving Afghanistan pass through the Islamic Republic, flooding the country with cheap opium and heroin. No drugs are produced in Iran, but it is now believed to have the world's highest rate of heroin and opium addiction.

The UN estimates last year's poppy harvest in Afghanistan was worth £500 million, with a tenth going to the rejuvenated Taleban in taxes – partly to finance battles against the British.

Opium production in Afghanistan has doubled in four years, even though Washington has spent $878 million since 2001 trying to coax Afghan farmers off growing the illegal crop.

Britain valued its co-operation with Iran in the war against drugs as a valuable shared point of interest when relations were improving before the current hardline president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, came to power three years ago.

The US does not give cash to the UN to support Iran's anti-drug efforts. Unilateral American sanctions are in force.





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  • Last Updated: 24 June 2008 10:19 PM
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1

Polly Ann,

25/06/2008 00:09:35
Stiffer penalties for both selling and buying would help. Maybe imprisonment with being forced to listen to Wally & Guga rant 12 hours a day.
2

Henry II,

North Shore 25/06/2008 00:32:11
#1

That would be like finger nails on a calk board having to listen to those social mis fits.
3

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 02:30:49
Iran is making a big big mistake; they should make a deal with the trafficker and let the drugs pass thru Iran (as long as they do not sell it in Iran). It is a big business that CIA is involved in it in the South America; it is a multi billion dollar business. This would show the west that Iran can really ruin them without even shooting a bullet and turn all their youth into junkies. Why Iranians should be killed to defend the lives of the Europeans and Americans who put the Iranians under sanctions and military threat? Let the west pay for it! When the drug reaches the Persian Gulf nobody can stop it going anywhere!
4

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 02:45:53
3 Kiumars

You watch too many movies. That or you must wear a tin foil hat like Wally does. I know most of the haters here that spout that garbage knows better but there are some stupid people that might believe your crazy views about the CIA!
5

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 02:55:25
To Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi;
You either are new or very ill-nformed. Please read about the Iran-Contra affairs in the Reagan time. Freedom of information law may give you more clues when the information is allowed to reach us.
PS : Do I hate you? Yes I do. Am I wrong in hating you? You be the judge. Have you been to Iraq and Afghanistan?
6

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 03:01:33
#5 Kiumars

That's nice that you hate me. Now straiten your tin foil hate and explain how the CIA is selling drugs in South America and how are the laundering the money? I'm all ears? You are a wacko!
7

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 03:07:29
#5 Kiumars

I'm also very familiar with Ollie North. You're barking up the wrong tree.
8

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 03:16:33
Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,
It is a very long story just search the web and you will find 1000s of articles and books. BTW did you know how many Iranian police died in fighting the drug traffickers to save your ass? Over 3000 Iranian police lives a year and I think that is even more than the total number of all Brits and Americans killed in Afghanistan! Why should Iranians die for the NATO’s incompetence in controlling the drug? Iranians have given more casualties at home for controlling the drug than the whole American and British troops fighting in Afghanistan! Let the mother f…r die NOW.
9

Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 03:23:39
#8 Kiumars

No no no.. Back to your Claim that the CIA is Buying and Selling Drugs in South America. Do tell how that is happening. I'm very curious. How is all that going on with our checks and balances? Don’t be a typical left wing hater throwing out crazy lies you can’t back up… You obviously have the inside track... Do tell...
10

Kiumars,

25/06/2008 03:31:46
Nancy ;
I think anyone with two brain-cells reading your comments will be laughing at you. I have already given you a proof that was testified in the US senate and you are still questioning it! Either you are a joke or the US senate. Frankly I don’t see much difference between you two.
PS: I don’t have time for kids or imbeciles.
11

Regina,

NH, USA 25/06/2008 03:51:19
10 Kiumars

Gee, You say about illegal Drugs "It is a big business that CIA is involved in it in the South America; it is a multi billion dollar business"

Like Nancy I too would like to know how? Are you reading those phony web sites again?



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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 05:13:33
#10 - Kiumars (or whatever name you use this week)

This is the article:

>"EUROPE could be hit by a "heroin tsunami" if Iran's war against drug trafficking from Afghanistan is undermined by reduced western support because of the stand-off over Tehran's nuclear programme."

Europe. Afghanistan. Iran.

You talk Iran-Contra. Don't pass yourself as anyone having ANY brain cells, just another sad dork that is only here to vent their spleen against their own impotence by raging against the US - even when they are not part of the story.
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Mikey,

25/06/2008 08:00:05
Facts have never been a redneck's strong point!

They have no sense of objectivity and just like Stalin's commies, they believe what they're told to believe!

They're not called REDnecks for nothing!
15

Cerberus,

Hades 25/06/2008 08:19:44
UNODC stated that 53% of the Afghan production is transported via Iran, 33% via Pakistan and 15% via ‘Central Asia’. The seizure rate in Pakistan is 2% and 68% in Iran.

The idea that the CIA is NOT involved in drug running is simply absurd. This is a $200b industry in opium alone, with trade done in CASH. That cash must hit the banks somewhere down the line.

The Taliban eradicated the poppy fields (in areas they controlled) and were forced out by the US of A (not the local people).Now the US of A are there we have poppy production again (in the areas they control). Even Pakistani Generals are saying that the US is not taking out the poppy fields.

Cash is the oil of business and groups like the CIA and MI5 are therefore involved in the drug trade. 6 million kg of opiates can cross the Afghan borders each year under the nose of a massive military presence that, we are told, is there to prevent 'terrorism'. Either these forces are grossly incompetent or are turning a blind eye to the export of opiates.
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bill2,

25/06/2008 08:20:52
Bushco is in the drug business; why should they want to harm it? A drug tsunami would be good for them.
17

Siroos,

UK 25/06/2008 09:42:21
#- Kiumars

You know as well as I that, the drug trade brings in bags of $$$'s for the Mullah and the Revolutionary guards. The UN $'s is a bonus as they use only part of it to reduce competition.

I read ALL your posts and I wish you could not be influnced so easily by the Mullahs propaganda.Then again our own misery is due to our own lack of conviction.

To fight drug trafficking is a moral duty.
18

Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 25/06/2008 09:42:41
Pleased to hear Iran has a bargaining chip to use against the insane maniacs in the US government.
Let's hope it buys them enough time to build themselves a couple of nuclear weapons. Then the West will be terrified to go anywhere near them, thus ensuring peace in the Middle East.
And, instead of invading yet another Middle East country, just to appease Israel, we could go sort out Zimbabwe: now there's a country in need of international intervention.
19

Sanny,

25/06/2008 09:53:01
Kiumars
You are entitled to have a difference of opinion with Nancy, or indeed any poster, but to profess hatred defines you and your ilk. Continue to read comic books if that is what floats your boat, just don’t expect intelligent thinking people to agree with you.

As for Iran and Afghan Drug trafficking. Perhaps a simple solution would be to ban all contact and traffic to or from these countries or any country that produces or processes these killer drugs. I can assure you that if I never saw another Afghan, Iranian or indeed anyone from that part of the world I would lose no sleep – indeed it would be a blessed relief.

After many years working with Muslims of many nations I have no problem with the individuals but firmly believe their religion is an abomination that is at the root of all their problems both within and without their nations.
20

MisterN,

Scotland 25/06/2008 10:07:13
Pelosi, Daithi, and the rest of the brown shirts.

The CIA are not involved in drug running?
Who is wearing the tin foil hat now?
I suppose the British Government never sold opium to the Chinese either?
The CIA have never denied it and there has been a lot of testamony by ex CIA members and members of the US armed forces confirming their involvement.
But please do continue to deny it its not as if you have any credibilty issues to worry about.
21

porters at 9,

25/06/2008 10:19:18
British police estimate 90 per cent of the heroin on UK streets originates in Afghanistan and the British government has often praised Iran's determined efforts to stem the flow.

So why aren't the British police trying to fight the problem too?

answer - because they, like the CIA have their filthy fingers deeper than the conspiracies can imagine..

22

Schot,

25/06/2008 10:27:01
"but to profess hatred defines you and your ilk...firmly believe their religion is an abomination"
Hypocrite.

If Nancy spouts uneducated patriotic nonsense, like denying CIA involvement in the drugs trade, then it is perfectly understandable that someone who had been to Iraq or Afghanistan would hate her. Read 'The Real Drug Lords :A brief history of CIA involvement in the Drug Trade by William Blum.

Whatever the given reason for invading Afghanistan, it is telling that the increase of opium most damages Iranians and thus destabalises a regional enemy of the US. Which is why the largest opium crop in the world is being overseen by the largest military in the world. kuimars puts the crop down to NATO incompetence, where as it is more likely to be malevolence. Unhowever if the increased opium flow to Iran isn't the deliberatepolicy it appears to be then it really is criminal negligence.
23

Moreen,

Scotsdale, AZ 25/06/2008 10:55:40
14 Guga

I see the wee man with the tiny fella is sprinkling truth with his lies again. Of course the CIA will provide arms to the county that benifits us the most, then you have have to go and throw a lie in there about the CIA is in the Drug business.
24

Moreen,

Scotsdale, AZ 25/06/2008 10:58:27
17 bill2 the Troll

bill2 the hater wrote "Bush is in the drug business"

How so? You left wing idiots are a hoot!
25

Moreen,

Scotsdale, AZ 25/06/2008 11:04:49
#14 Guga

You have "P" envy don't you? You know Bush is a real man and you are packing like a wee boy. They say men who call Bush a war criminal sit rather than stand while going number 1.
26

an interested party,

25/06/2008 11:21:07
this year is year 4 of the biggest opium harvests ever in Afghanistan, now ask who runs the country. then ask how hard is it to spot a crop. how hard to destroy it?

it is a multi billion $ industry and i am pretty sure the afghany farmers aint making 30 quid a gram
27

ddmc,

25/06/2008 11:29:38
they bombed a stash of hash the other week, destroyed the lot. But they cant find & destroy poppy or coca fields !

What does Afghanistan & Columbia have in common.....

They produce 90% of the planets class A drugs & have large contingents of US 'military advisors'
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25/06/2008 11:33:17
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25/06/2008 11:47:16
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Portree,

Further north than most 25/06/2008 12:11:00
29 MisterN

Troll
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Ganjass,

25/06/2008 13:23:34
The CIA have been involved in so many dodgy drug exploits it's not even funny. After their involvement to help train the terrorists of today in Afghanistan against the Russians, they where heavily involved in the transportation of heroin acros the globe. You only have to looko at the increase of opium crops after they got involved to realist something was iffy.

As for South America, no one who is well read and has sufficient intelligence to look between the lines of the misinformation we are fed, can dispute that the CIA are resposible for the cocaine pandemic and all that social ills that surround it. Just do some research on "Air America CIA" and lead on from there..
32

Ardanaiseig,

Argyll 25/06/2008 13:34:00
32 Ganj/ass

Do your comic books expalin how the CIA deposits the drug money into their top secret bank accounts?
33

Molly MacDonald,

25/06/2008 13:46:20
#26 Moreen

I've heard Guga is hung like a midge, they have been taking about that for over a year and there are photos of his little thing on the internet.
34

Schot,

25/06/2008 13:51:12
Comic Books and CIA Drug Shipments

Artistically it is a graphic novel, since Alan Moore is a genius.

Brought to Light (ISBN 0-913035-67-X) is an anthology of two political graphic novels, published originally by Eclipse Comics in 1988. Both are based on material from lawsuits filed by the Christic Institute against the US Government. The two stories are Shadowplay: The Secret Team by Alan Moore and Bill Sienkiewicz, and Flashpoint: The LA Penca Bombing documented by Martha Honey and Tony Avirgan and adapted by Joyce Brabner and Tom Yeates.
35

Al Sharpton Jr,

25/06/2008 13:55:35
#14 Guga

Guga wrote "I may have a tiny willie but Bush is a war criminal"

Guga, where are you going with this?

36

Al Sharpton Jr,

25/06/2008 13:58:29
#30 Guga

Guga then wrote in ref: #26 Moreen "I always sit, I can't get it past the zipper"
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25/06/2008 14:03:33
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Ballindarroch,

Highlands 25/06/2008 14:58:55
17 bill2

Are things slow at the communist FH site today?
39

Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 15:39:23
Perhaps the paranormal/conspiracy theory crowd here can explain why Europe has such a high demand for heroin?

I'm sure that you believe that 'Trainspotting' was a group of covert CIA agents used to display heroin addiction as glamorous Scottish lifestyle and Irvine Welsh is a covert CIA agent?

Why is it necessary for you people to believe that someone else, ANYONE else, is responsible for YOUR failings?

Don't you think that if people simply decided to quit using drugs that neither the CIA, or Iran, or Afghanistan or the UN would be in a position to manipulate you?

Why do you need the comfort of believing that there no longer is anything such as 'personal responsibility'?

Is dealing with your own failings too much of a challenge for you so it is easier to blame them on shadowy manipulators?

You people would eat bugs if you thought you'd get a 'high' off of it, wouldn't you. ;)
40

Schot,

25/06/2008 15:56:27
Dáithí,

I have been to San Jose. It is a poor town full of crack and meths addicts. That might explain your logic.

Europe has such a high demand for heroin because it is the most addictive drug that can easily be hidden from current drug checks. That is why the previously stoned prison population here swapped to being junkies in the past twenty years. It is a vicious cycle. Once a country starts following US drugs war hypocracy then it is a slippery road to more 'Opium Wars', with the working class most at risk.
41

mike - across the pond,

you guys!!! 25/06/2008 16:04:39
all getting your news from comic books?

wait... they call them "graphic novels" now dont they... THAT makes them legit... doesnt it...

come on people...

oh and columbia, ever read national geographic??? if the CIA were so involved, they would simply cut FARC out entirely, and wouldnt be refining in the crude way they are...

but in the REAL world, FARC and the CIA are at each others throats... FARC is dealing in heavy drugs... CIA not so much...
42

RGNLONDON,

LONDON 25/06/2008 16:19:58
Antonio Maria Costa, the director of the UN's drugs and crime office, said: "We should definitely assist Iran in this respect." He said a "heroin tsunami" could hit Europe if drug action by Iran was weakened.

THEN WHY DOES YOUR HEADLINE SCREAM

"Iran warns of 'drug tsunami' if UN cash for patrols is cut" ???

PLEASE KEEP TO THE FACTS AND DON'T IMITATE THE ISRAELI & US MEDIA BIAS
43

Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 16:22:32
Schot -

>"I have been to San Jose. It is a poor town full of crack and meths addicts. That might explain your logic.

Those were European businessmen you saw, prostituting themselves in the hopes that we here in the Silicon Valley will move our computer industries over there.

>"Europe has such a high demand for heroin ..."

...because they like it, Schot.

>"with the working class most at risk."

Oh wahh, another person that believes that the 'working class' are poor stiffs that are susceptible to whatever they are told because they aren't too bright.

Unlike you, I think that the 'working class' is a group of pretty bright individuals that can see drugs as a bad thing and are getting tired of being used by you as a tool in some sort of 'class warfare'.
44

Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 17:12:04
Interesting warning to Americans in Germany:

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3439165,00.html

From the article:

"It's not easy to be an American abroad these days. Not only is your government unpopular -- the US embassy is also worried you'll be hurt by rowdy enthusiasts of a strange, no-hands-allowed sport.

The Euro 2008 has been a great tournament, but if one believes a warning issued on Tuesday, June 24 by the American embassy in Germany, the upcoming match between the Germans and the Turks could also be hazardous to your health.

The embassy's statement makes downtown Berlin sound a bit like Falluja or the Gaza Strip, but DW-WORLD has learned the potential threats run far deeper.

Many of the viewers at the so-called fan miles, it turns out, are hopped up on a liquid intoxicant known as "beer."
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Guga II,

Rockall 25/06/2008 17:28:50
I see the Hootsmon Pravda Branch and Xinhua Branch censors have removed my post. Why was that? Was it for calling the septic "rednecks"; was it for mentioning that they lost the war in Vietnam; or was it for stating the facts about the CIA being involved in gun running and drug running?

Mr Editor, you need to get a grip on your censors. I get my post removed, but the assorted rednecks who have to degenerate to attempted personal abuse of me because they can't argue with the truth, have their posts left on.

Note to the pathetic censors, please pass this message on to the Editor, and have the common courtesy to tell me exactly what motivated you to remove my post (and not theirs). You know my e-mail address. You'll find the definition of the word "courtesy" in the dictionary.



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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 17:37:15
Gug -

>"Mr Editor, you need to get a grip on your censors. I get my post removed, but the assorted rednecks who have to degenerate to attempted personal abuse of me "

Wahhhhhh!! Wahh, wahh!

You could always dish it out but you can never take it, Gug. Get a grip.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 25/06/2008 17:39:31
Guga

You have problems? They have even banned the full name of the FH site from being used in comments!

If you ever tire of all that nonsense, pay a visit!

(Watch this get deleted!)
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25/06/2008 17:47:10
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 17:55:07
#48 Finnking if this is really you

The name of the site you speak of must be banned here on the Scotsman because it is full of Trolls like Djookers and yourself that try to recruit people away from the Scotsman. Your ilk also replicate other user IDs and harrass posters here because that is what Trolls do.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 17:57:26
#46 Guga II

Why are you going around calling people "Septic Rednecks and talking about genitals" ?

Can't you just argue the facts?
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:00:12
For the past few weeks we have seen an increase of FH trolls with NEW IDs pop up Bashing the US, Brown, and Blair. Same old people just new IDs.
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57Nomad,

california 25/06/2008 18:05:56
#3 Kiumars,

K said:

"business that CIA is involved in it in the South America; it is a multi billion dollar business."

Kiumars, you say that the CIA is involved in the drug business. How do you know what the CIA is and is not involved in? Do you have an 'inside man' at CIA that feeds you the latest on a daily basis? Or, could it be that once again, stuck for a way to attach gratuitous anti-American ax grinding to a story about Iran, you simply fabricated the story out of your own imagination.

Why Mr. K. would the CIA involve itself in drug trafficking? For the money? Really? The money? Who's CIA do you thing your dealing with, Skippy. Are we talking about the Monaco CIA? The Guatemalan CIA? Wrong, wrong, and wrong. It, Kuimars, is the AMERICAN CIA. They don't need any drug money. The Senate and House give them the billions and billions they need and they get that money from the honest labor of American workers. Drug dealers, indeed!
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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 18:06:12
#49 - Ciderman

>"Your country has been involved in dirty tricks throughout the World since the end of World War II..."

1. One mans' 'dirty trickster' is another man's 'freedom fighter'.

2. If Europeans wouldn't have emaciated themselves by leading the world into two murderous wars, we'd hardly be in a dominate global position, would we?

You're living in a black pot, condemning the kettle.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:20:45
MisterN, Cere?, and Cinderman 542000 must be at least 3 of the FH trolls that are afraid to use their real names. It's too bad they have to try to ruin these threads.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:23:23
55 Who ever you are

So you are trying to censor the Scotsman and make it like your FH site where everyone agrees with one another?
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:29:05
#55 Ciderman

"If Trolls points are valid are they still trolls?"

Yes
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:31:22
#55 Ciderman

"Haven't you Americans not got an election to sort out, a presidential one, why are y'all so worried about what is being discussed in a provincial Scottish newspaper?"

If you ever learn to Multi-Task we invite you to add your comments to one of our newspapers.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 25/06/2008 18:32:13
#58 IH8 censors

I think that is their plan!
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:55:31
62 Who ever you are

Check out how smart Cinderman 542000 is, she knows in CIA inside and out. How many movies did you watch to become an expert? What's the number after your name, your inmate# ? Why do you throw weapons in your comment? Like several other posters have asked, how is the CIA peddling drugs????? :) Me thinks you are squirming in your seat and threw weapons in so you might sound 1/2 correct :) The old switch and bait, right? You conspiracy Theory trolls are unreal!
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 18:58:35
62 Who ever you are

"you have not answered why you are so interested in what is discussed in such a small Scottish newspaper."

I must have missed that one, it's not that small and the question pertains more to you than I.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 19:25:12
65 Who ever you are

who ever wrote - "The US has peddled drugs in recent history, lied about it and used the proceeds to supply weapons where it suited the US. Why should we believe that you would not do the same again, who should we believe, you?"

What's the matter? You don’t think people can read between the lines? I guess you are going to say a small time NY City Drug dealer is the one you were referring to even though all your co-conspiracy theorist friends are talking about the US Government.
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IH8 censors,

everywhere 25/06/2008 19:32:46
66 Nutcase

Once again... How is the CIA running drugs? Do they have trucks? How do they do the exchanges? I was just on their web site and they did not mention any openings in the "Drug Running" department.

What paygrade is a drug runner in the CIA?
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Guga II,

Rockall 25/06/2008 20:04:33
#69. Check up on the activities of Air America during the Vietnam war, as well as the activities of Oliver North. Then have a look at the CIA's involvement with Noriega.

Calling someone a nutcase does not change the facts. The CIA, like your president and his administration, are common criminals as well as war criminals.

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Ardanaiseig,

Argyll 25/06/2008 21:41:59
#73 Ciderman 542000

You must be a Spitefull Troll, no mention of Blair and Brown?
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Ardanaiseig,

Argyll 25/06/2008 21:51:04
72 Guga II

As always Guga you are off topic, I too am interested in the drug running allegations you and your mates are ranting about. How are they accomplishing it now in South America and the Middle East?

We also know all about Oliver North and how they tried to charge him with crimes but was acquitted. He is a bit of a hero to most yanks, the far left Americans do like him I assure you as they always want blood for good deeds.

I just read up again on Iran-Contra about how the hostages were released; now how did Oliver and the CIA run drugs during Iran-Contra?
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Schot,

25/06/2008 22:46:09
75 Ardanaiseig

By trying to ridicule the evidence of CIA involvement in the drugs trade then you are either unbelievably and deliberately ignorant, or are yourself a troll. Either way you have no place in intelligent debate.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/webb.html

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html
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Edmond's comment,

Canada 25/06/2008 23:37:08
77 Schot

LOL !!!

I was waiting to see who would some up with the first "Wally" type web site as a source.

Your wonderful source is the highly acclaimed writer Gary Webb, the radical from the San Jose Mercury News.

The Title for those who assume things is “CRACK AND THE CONTRAS”
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Edmond's comment,

Canada 25/06/2008 23:41:02
LOL and # 77 Schot's other web site link takes you to this conspiracy theory... LOL

These articles were downloaded from the web site of the Seattle Times, since the San Jose Mercury News has removed the entire series from their web site.

Gary Webb's career as a professional journalist was destroyed shortly after these articles were published. Anyone who challenges the House of Rockefeller is persona non grata throughout the establishment.


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Dáithí,

San Jose 25/06/2008 23:52:47
#66 - Guga

>"...making it one of the most despised countries in the world."

You don't understand, Guga - we WANT to be despised by guys like you.

Communist apologists, anarchist that need to feed their own massive egos by criticizing any/everyone else to give themselves a false air of superiority, NAZI worshippers and trivia fanatics, Combat 18 gang members, suicidal religious fundamentalists of all stripes -

We like being despised by the contemptible.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 00:19:22
Hidden in plain view

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US

According to interviews with the main drug warlords in South East Asia and Afghanistan, the CIA are their biggest customer. This is another opium war, another attempt to destablise your enemy through narcotics. Next to none of the afghan heroin gets to the States. It's Iran, Russia, China and Europe that suffer.

The war on drugs is as false a construct as the war on terror, but after both we know have Columbian crack and Afghani heroin flooding the world. We have prisoners being virtually force fed heroin, due for release. The use of narcotics as a weapon is an intrinsic part of the Pax Americana as it was an intrinsic part of the Pax Britannia. Queen Victoria left unpaid bills for opiates at chemists around Balmoral. If you are genuinely ignorant of how narcotics are used to subdue a foriegn population then read up on The Opium Wars.
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Regina,

NH, USA 26/06/2008 00:42:18
79 Edmond's comment

That is funny! I think most of the socialist haters like Schot won't check their sources. Not he is putting up wikipedia that only has things like

Vietnam - It was widely "alleged" among various veterans that the Central Intelligence Agency was involved in smuggling this opium

Soviet Afghanistan - It was "alleged" by the Soviets on multiple occasions that American CIA agents were helping smuggle opium out of Afghanistan

Or The Kerry Committee report where hearings chaired by Senator John Kerry made allegations. We all know his agenda.

All allegations by either our enemies or by people who wanted headlines, but no proof. It’s very odd how everything is alleged :)
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Regina,

NH, USA 26/06/2008 00:43:47
82 Schot

Oh, after you read #80, look in a mirror and ask yourself why you're such a hater.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 00:53:37
Regina,

I hate you because you spread drugs and war around the world simply for the lack of an education. Your personal ignorance is as dangerous to me as the most horrid diseases.

I don't hate your country though, just the bible-smashing war-monger idiots. Like you for example.
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Harry "Dingy" Reid,

Las Vegas 26/06/2008 00:57:30
78 & 83

With the far left it's not about facts, it's all about putting as many allegations out there with half truths. Have you not noticed that's how Wally, Guga, bill2, Schot, and the rest of the terrorist appeasers operate. They just keep throwing lies out their to undermine our troops in hopes to get more of them killed so we pull out and the terrorists take over Iraq & Afghanistan.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 01:02:21
I personally feel the Scotsman shouldn't entertain any comments from abroad. There are just too many 'USA Today' paid meat puppets posting here.

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Schot,

26/06/2008 01:09:57
I also think the extreme far right qulaity of many american Scotsman posters is easily explainable. Racists join Scottish and Irish groups in the States simply because they are homogenously white. Few of them have genuine Scottish roots or experience.

Given there is such a divergence between right-wing US posters here, and normal Scots, can't the admin just ban them by IP address ? They don't buy your paper, we do.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 26/06/2008 01:46:55
#87 Schot the censor

I pay 60 pounds a year for full access to the Scotsman, how much do you pay?

I think you are just upset a few people have shown you up with your false web sites.
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Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi,

San Francisco 26/06/2008 01:52:00
#87 Schot the censor

I bet you never use to receive Christmas cards back in the day from the Thomson Corporation.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 02:20:26
just a note..rednecks is getting overused as the word of the day. Here in America, we hear that you Scots are a bit thrifty...maybe we should be calling you "tightwads"..

Kiumads..having had a father in intelligence and the secret service I can tell you that under those letters "CIA" are lots of other departments with alphabetical names.. You, know nothing. You don't know how this gov't works, nor do you know what goes on inside these departments. You get your information from movies and tv, and you sound like an idiot.
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Cubic's rube,

Foreign parts 26/06/2008 02:24:15
#88

"I pay 60 pounds a year for full access to the Scotsman, how much do you pay?"

....You've been done. I pay only 30 quid.

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howard sutherland,

bahamas 26/06/2008 02:29:45
Lynne, it does amaze me how so many claim to know everything about intelligence services.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 02:39:49
"I pay 60 pounds a year for full access to the Scotsman, how much do you pay?"


I dunno, I buy it everyday regardless of cost for a silly reason. More than £60 a year.

"I think you are just upset a few people have shown you up with your false web sites."

Um, like wikipedia ? I think you have just proven yourself as to be so stupid to not deserve a reply, or so obviously fake that you should be challenged.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 04:01:11
Harry, you said it..their main function is to inflame and demoralize. Wally, claims to be an American, but he talks like an outsider looking in all the time. And how he hates!!. There is NOTHING good about the USA..we have rulers, who lie, cheat, and steal. (I'm sure there must be some) but ALL OF THEM? Everything is a conspiracy..
The others are appeasers and apologists who think that if we get out of Iraq, and Afghanistan..everything is going to go back to normal, and they (the terrorists) will leave us alone. ARE THEY KIDDING!!!?
They are known as terrorists for a reason..and they DO have an agenda..

Schot..here in Forida, Wikepedia has been proven to be a complete and utter failure.. to have people edit articles. They tend to put in their own ideas..to fit their own agendas, and pass them off as facts.
The schools here are not happy at all about it and some have decided that it can't be used.

And the fact that you resort to insults, because you CAN'T prove what you say, only weakens your so-called points.
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Dáithí,

San Jose 26/06/2008 05:41:05
#87 - Schot

>"Given there is such a divergence between right-wing US posters here, and normal Scots..."

I realize that diverging opinions threaten you and that you'd prefer not to allow people to express them, I'm sure that you support governments that support your position; ie, totalitarian.

- but in America the people have a "Right of Free Speech" and frankly, I believe 'real Scots' do to - so that rules YOU out.

>"..., can't the admin just ban them by IP address ?"

The last guy to suggest that was 'Suck McCrunchie' over 4 months ago. He was so stupid that he was advertising a 'IP4 Security site' in his location banner; a site to protect the identities of Internet posters - while at the same time demanding that "The Scotsman" POST THEM!

You match the profile, Schot.

It's not flattering. But it is correct.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 26/06/2008 08:11:25
#90 Lynne,Palm Beach Gardens - "Here in America, we hear that you Scots are a bit thrifty...maybe we should be calling you "tightwads"" - Growing up in Scotland, people who were tight with money were often referred to as being "jewish" but today this is seen as nasty racial stereotyping.
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 26/06/2008 09:42:58
98 bill2

What's with the change?
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 26/06/2008 09:45:20
98 bill2

That's the first nice thing you have ever said about Jews. You should be proud of yourself.
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Hattie,

RAF Kinloss 26/06/2008 10:06:45
#85 Harry

Sad but true.
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Schot,

26/06/2008 12:06:19
"After an unprecedented review of internal CIA and Justice Department files, three massive reports, totaling almost 1,000 pages, were released by the inspectors general of the CIA (Fred Hitz) and Justice Department (Michael Bromwich). ...According to the reports, the CIA made conscious use of major traffickers as agents, contractors and assets. It maintained good relations with Contras it knew to be working with drug traffickers. It protected traffickers which the Justice Department was trying to prosecute, sometimes by suppressing or denying the existence of information. This protection extended to major Drug Enforcement Agency targets considered to be among the top smugglers of cocaine into this country" - San Fransican Chronicle
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 26/06/2008 17:49:45
#97...so is the word Redneck