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Published Date: 09 October 2008
THE words were sombre, even dull, but the body language told of the hostility building between Barack Obama and John McCain in their second US presidential debate on Tuesday.
It was there in the gestures, the digs and then, right at the end, the sudden rebuff: with the debate over, and their wives on stage, Mr McCain tapped his rival on the back. Mr Obama turned around to offer his hand, but it was not reciprocated, with Mr McCain instead pointing to his wife, Cindy, an off-camera brush-off that spoke volumes.

Fears of making a gaffe in front of an audience which Nielsen Media Research put at 63.2 million, and the constricted setting, a town hall-style meeting at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, saw both men refrain from the furious mud-slinging their campaigns have indulged in this week. But the digs were there.

Mr McCain, burnishing his credentials as a maverick willing to vote against his party, pointed to an energy bill he opposed: "It was sponsored by Bush and Cheney. You know who voted for it?" he said. "That one." With a grimace, he pointed at Mr Obama, who looked daggers back.

The McCain campaign has referred to Mr Obama as "the one", alluding to his messianic status among supporters.

Mr Obama retorted: "Senator McCain, this is the guy who sang 'bomb, bomb, bomb Iran', who called for the annihilation of North Korea."

When it came to the economic crisis, Mr McCain accused his rival of taking financial contributions from the disgraced mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. "There were some who stood up against it," he said. "And others who took a hike."

Mr Obama hit straight back, pointing out Mr McCain's campaign manager worked as a lobbyist for one of the companies.

"Body language counts," said Evelyn Leopold, a New York commentator. "McCain came across as tired and angry, especially when he said 'that one' in referring to Obama. And Obama looked cool and professorial, sometimes too professorial."

Neither man wanted to deal with how their promises of tax cuts and spending plans would need to be tempered by what some analysts fear may be a looming economic depression.

Confronted with the question, Mr McCain reached for the flag: "We can attack energy and healthcare at the same time," he said. "We're Americans."

Mr Obama outlined a rescue package, including tax cuts for the middle-classes paid for by the rich, cash for homeowners to pay their mortgages and new public works. How that will be paid for, with falling tax revenues and a ballooning deficit, he did not say.

Of the two, Mr Obama looked the more sombre: when Mr McCain spoke, he fixed him with a stare, arms folded, either standing by the side of the stage, or sitting on one of the precarious bar stools provided for both men.

When it was Mr Obama's turn, Mr McCain wore a fixed smile, looked the other way or took notes.

The digs spilled over into foreign policy.

"He does not understand our national security challenges," Mr McCain said. "We don't have time for on-the-job training, my friends."

But on the hunt for Osama bin Laden on the Afghan-Pakistan border, the roles were reversed: "If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them (sic] out, then I think that we have to act and we will take them out," Mr Obama said. "We will kill bin Laden; we will crush al-Qaeda."

Mr McCain shot back, saying Pakistan was an ally whose co-operation was important: "He said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable."

The result was a foreign- policy draw, and that suits Mr Obama: while voters prefer him on matters economic, they have in the past preferred Mr McCain, a war veteran, on national security.

For days, rival campaign adverts have accused Mr Obama of siding with the former terrorist Bill Ayers and Mr McCain of supporting the banking fraudster Charles Keating. But none of the questions broached the subject. The result was a bore draw.

Snap polls gave Mr Obama victory, with CNN handing him 54 per cent to Mr McCain's 30 per cent, but Mr Obama's real victory was in seeing both candidates ending the debate roughly where they started.

That is bad news for Mr McCain. He is lagging in the polls and this debate was his chance to produce some new policy or flash of wit that would turn things around.

Mr McCain could get no traction, despite the intimate town-hall setting that was supposed to suit his folksy charm. Mr Obama may have been more stern, at times appearing more like a lecturer than a candidate, but in these difficult times that approach seems to work.

The same CNN poll found that voters felt Mr Obama was more likeable, by 65 to 28 per cent, and better qualified to lead, 64 per cent to 51. "If last night was the arena of McCain's choice, he's in deep trouble," said Charles Hurt, of the New York Post.



WHAT THEY SAID

1 John McCain expressed incredulity Barack Obama would state publicly that he would attack al-Qaeda in Pakistan under certain conditions. "Senator Obama likes to talk loudly," Mr McCain said in response. "In fact, he said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable."


2 Mr Obama said: "I believe this is a final verdict on the failed economic policies of the last eight years, strongly promoted by President Bush and supported by Senator McCain, that essentially said that we should strip away regulations, consumer protections, let the market run wild and prosperity would rain down on all of us."

3 Mr McCain said one way out of the financial crisis was to "stop sending $700 billion a year to countries that don't like us".


WHAT THE TRUTH IS

1 In an October 2007 interview with Military Times McCain's position was indistinguishable from Obama's. Asked if "you'd go get him" if US forces had a fix on bin Laden in Pakistan, McCain said: "Sure. Sure. We have to."

2 McCain supported tighter rules and accountability on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years before the start of the financial crisis prompted in part by the giant mortgage underwriters. Obama was not a leader in that unsuccessful effort.

3 McCain was referring to purchases of oil from countries hostile to the US. The figure is inflated and misleading. The US is not spending nearly that much on oil imports and roughly one-third of what it does spend goes to countries such as Canada, Mexico and Britain.



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1

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 00:58:44
My impression was that Obama is a leader, able to form policies and make decisions. McCain on the other hand seems more like a front man for his party.
2

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/10/2008 01:12:30
The American electorate - especially the Republican cadre - are infinitely stoopid - and if they elect McCain he will probably die in office and then they will have the horrifying spectre of "Stupid" Sarah Palin as President.

Barak Obama is a STATESMAN as McCain can never be and McCain's "aw-shucks, down-home" charm fools no one - except the fools that may elect him.
3

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

09/10/2008 01:21:12
Like a choice between cutting your knackers off with scissors or a machete.

The mosts disaml POTUS contest in history - a beauty contest with no ideas and very little talent.
4

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09/10/2008 01:24:47
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SCULLION1,

Canada 09/10/2008 01:29:20
Why am I being impersonated? Is it my charm, my stunning good looks? In any event you can be sure if there is any pro-Conservative or homophobic or personally or racially insulting post, it ain't mine.
Obama has captured the TV look and will carry that, like JFK, to the Whitehouse.
6

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 01:34:25

McCain represents all that needs to be fixed in our country; the old ways , the war-mongering, the paranoia, the outright lies. He is living history !
All you need to do is look at him to see that he can NEVER be elected. Weak, bankrupted ideas, fear-driven.
A truly pitiful, hateful figure.

CAN WE START THE PARTY NOW ?

OBAMA is the man !

Leave the Bush-Cheney criminal trials 'till later.
7

2dogs in D.C.,

09/10/2008 01:35:13
Now,Tim,come on. Not all of us are stupid. Just the ones who stay up with thier brother, taking shots of whisky during debates,whenever McCain say's "My friends". Good evening, and hope all's well w/ you and Chester. Down here among the "Eastern elite" things are going along as best they can.
8

LatinLover,

09/10/2008 01:38:32
First of all, the statement that the gesture "was not reciprocated" and that this was an obvious "off-camera brush-off" fails to account what already some TV commentators have admitted: that McCain had already had shaken Obama's hand twice before, so it was probably nothing else there. And second of all, even though not a big fan of McCain, at least he is a "natural born citizen" of the US and truly eligible for POTUS. If you want to find out why is Mr. Obama apparently ineligible for POTUS, carefully read all court filings and comments in http://obamacrimes.com/.
9

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 01:43:10
#8 I never realised you had to be born in the USA to qualify as President. Seems like a pretty stupid law. That would have disqualified George Washington!
10

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA fo more WAR VOTE McCain 09/10/2008 01:44:38
2 TimW1234,Ottawa, Canada

Hey Dude ,

What U say means NOTHING

U cannot vote in the US election.

GC
11

SCULLION1,

Canada 09/10/2008 01:49:05
#9, no I think George was a proud Virginian.
12

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA fo more WAR VOTE McCain 09/10/2008 01:50:42
5 SCULLION1,Canada

Hey Dude if U are not the fake Scullion. Then read this link

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111040/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Over-McCain-Expands.aspx

Obama is way ahead of McCain and only 27 days before 'E' day.

Watch for McCain/Palin unrelenting slur tacticts against Obama.

These negative attacks work in the US . Our masses are easily manipulated .. Evil Pres. Bush proved that 100%.

GC
13

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 01:52:14
That's odd, I'm sure I remember Blue Peter running a story how he was born in Sheffield. Clearly that TV programme is evil!
Still a daft law, however.
14

LatinLover,

09/10/2008 01:55:30
#9, you don't have to be physically born in the country, but there is special legislation that applies to Mr. Obama as the son of an alien (father born in Kenya) and expatriated mother (original from US but moved to Africa and Indonesia before returning to the US). In fact, McCain was born in Panama but both his parents were born in the US but living abroad in a military camp. I suggest you read the complaint on the lawsuit against Obama and the attempts by his lawyers to dismiss the case and avoid presenting the proper documentation (i.e."vault" birth certificate, not a doctored photoshoped one. Americans deserve to know if he's really qualified for POTUS before it's too late.
15

2dogs in D.C.,

09/10/2008 01:57:19
#8_Richardinho-I may well be mistaken,not fully recovered yet from the debate debacle with my brother, but I think we actually did have one non-native born President. Possibly John Adams? Born at sea on an English ship.Someone out there in cyberland is bound to know for certain.At any rate,the law prevents folks like Arnold in Calif.from becoming President. My head still hurts,goodnight all.
16

SCULLION1,

Canada 09/10/2008 02:00:49
#15, I heard that Andrew Jackson may have been born in Ireland. Oh well, it makes for interesting historical debate.
17

Richardinho,

09/10/2008 02:02:06
Guess you learn something new everyday. Pretty crazy law-huh? Anything that stops Arnie becoming prez can't be all bad though.
18

Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 02:13:49
Drudge linked the article "New World Order" at the top of his page.

Articles and ominous threats like that send Libertarians and Republicans into stampedes. Independents and even some Democrats will be racing to the polls with them, and in large numbers to dump the New World Order liberals and their international O Great One- The Crowned Messiah from his Enlightened Throne.

Hey- keep writing this crazy stuff and I think McCain/Palin could win!!

19

Tobermory,

09/10/2008 02:20:46
5 SCULLION1

Did you make the Spot On comment at # 4? If so you are correct!
20

Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 02:26:30
Richardinho said "
My impression was that Obama is a leader, able to form policies and make decisions. McCain on the other hand seems more like a front man for his party.'

????
you got it assbackwards.
Obama had completely different opinions before the nomination, but he attracted many of the Clinton advisers when it looked like he would be the Chosen One- and so now he says what the advisers tell him to say, so he can win the vote. As Palin says Obama won't drill for gas, but he'll drill for votes. Who knows what he will say, or do, or why, once in office.

As for McCain, he's a Republican only when he chooses to be, he votes the issues as he sees them, and not the party. which is why he's not a member in good standing with his own party.
21

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09/10/2008 02:37:30
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Bend Over,

09/10/2008 02:54:48
Anyone that thinks it will make any difference whoever gets in is living in cloud cuckoo land.

They are both pro war and pro Israel, both will turn a blind eye as 1 million Mexicans stream over the border, both will give an amnesty to the 30 million already there. Both will continue to pour billions of tax payers money into the banks.
23

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 09/10/2008 03:46:33
McCain wouldn't even shake hands with Obama after the debate because he knows Obama won conclusively yet again. What a disgusting litle weasel of a man. What a cowardly act. McCain's true colours are now on display for all to see and it's not a pretty sight.

CBS Uncommitted voters named Barack Obama as the winner of the second presidential debate as well, according to a CBS News/Knowledge Networks poll.
Forty percent of these uncommitted debate watchers said Obama won the debate, 26 percent said John McCain won, and another 34 percent thought it was a tie.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/08/politics/2008debates/main4508430.shtml?source=mostpop_story

Another republican bites the dust.

How good is that???

LOL. Yee Haaaa
24

glaswegian at heart,

FLORIDA 09/10/2008 03:59:33
Obama was born in hawaii.. last time I CHECKED THAT IS part of u.s.a. just as alaska is ..You know,,,,,,,,,,where the hockey mom is from.
25

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09/10/2008 05:50:59
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LatinLover,

09/10/2008 05:52:11
Obama says that he was born in Hawaii but..
For all who are too lazy or busy to seek the truth start here and research yourselves
from www.obamacrimes.com:

Press release...
Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis

(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/06/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery Pending a Decision on the Motion to Dismiss (which was) filed on 09/24/08.

While legal, Berg stated he is “outraged as this is another attempt to hide the truth from the public; it is obvious that documents do not exist to prove that Obama is qualified to be President.” The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by attempting to delay the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama meets the qualifications to be President.

It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.

Furthermore, and actually more important is Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship that he received when he returned from Indonesia, as if it exists it would indicate that Obama was “naturalized” and also not able to be President.

The DNC has promised “we the people” an Open and Honest Government and has promised to uphold our United States Constitution. The DNC has failed their promise. DNC Chairperson Howard Dean should resign as he has not and is not fulfilling his responsibility of seeing that a “qualified” candidate is on the ballot as the Democratic ca
27

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/10/2008 05:54:52
McCain reminds me of the late Stuart Henry - every sentence includes "m'friends" ; "Good mornin' m'friends", "Here's the new Jethro Tull single, m' friends", "Thanks for listenin' in m'friends".
28

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/10/2008 05:56:47
"WELCOME BACK M'FRIENDS TO THE SHOW THAT NEVER ENDS ! "
- ELP
29

LatinLover,

09/10/2008 05:57:27
candidate for President of the United States.

Berg stated that a response in opposition will be filed in the next day or so to the Defendants Motion for a Protective Order." Motion was filed..

Just ask yourself two questions,1) Why filing a motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction (the complainant has given money to the campaign and is a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT whos candidate of chice-Hillary was kicked out of the race to put Obama, soo I would say he has standing); and 2) Why filing a Motion for Protective Order to “not” Answer Admissions & Production of Documents (basically, to prevent discovery of documents while the judge decide on the motion to dismiss (the law states that Judge Surrick can order discovery even in the face of a pending dispositive motion).; 3) Wouldn't it be simpler just to present the birth certificate to the court and end all doubts and rumors?
Too many questions, too many obstacles, too much lawyering for someone who has the truth on his side..
30

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/10/2008 05:59:45
9 nope that's one their peculiar laws. Arnie Swarz cant stand for president, but Charlie Manson, if released could.
31

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/10/2008 06:05:15
" M'friends, the end is near,
And I must face the final curtain."

Hallelujah !
32

LatinLover,

09/10/2008 06:31:27
#33
"For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way!

BTW: these are lyrics of "My Way" by Frank Sinatra.
33

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09/10/2008 06:57:07
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ksnyders,

Denver 09/10/2008 07:01:30
My impression was that Obama was on the defensive and talking down to us "Understand this..." He alternated between annoying and boring. The funny thing is, the same people who say Palin isn't qualified to be president (even thou she's running for VP) are willing to vote for Obama who has no record, has written no bills during his time in the senate - but has written a couple of memoirs - and has no qualifications except that he is a good orator.
35

CA Citizen ,

California 09/10/2008 07:50:53
Yes, you can say tired and angry, but acute exasperation better describes the mood of millions of Americans here who are fully aware of the contrast between these two men. John Mc Cain has served and sacrificed for our country his entire life…it’s not an invented persona to play up his political qualifications, it’s the absolute truth. Some of us still appreciate honor in this country. This is what is so incredibly exasperating; that so many of us are aware of Senator Mc Cain’s REAL qualifications, but choose to ignore them because we don’t want to face up to reality and CHANGE how Washington operates. Many would rather live in an illusion and choose the glossed over, hyped up packaging. Living here right now is like wearing a millstone around my neck. No wonder our finances are a disaster. Wake up!
36

AngelaFraser,

09/10/2008 08:01:08
Ah, it looks as if the 'angry' thing has jumped party lines - wasn't that supposed to be the epithet to beat Obama with only a short while back?
37

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 09/10/2008 08:06:45
Another win for Obama
Another nail in McCain's coffin
How good is that?
38

Boy Wonder,

09/10/2008 08:11:02
This American electioneering is a fascinating process isn't it?

We should do the same for whomever wants to ne the PM of this country ... before Independence comes along.
39

Leftie,

UK 09/10/2008 08:27:24
McCain reminds me of that statue of Saddam Hussein in Iraq that's about to topple over and crash.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 08:33:52
It strikes me that Obama is the personification of the American Dream-From a humble background, with a immigrant parents who has used his talent and hard work to bring himself up in the world. if that isnt 'experience', I don't know what is.
41

tommy,

belfast uk 09/10/2008 09:00:11
flip flop Obama is the man for the looney left, those who hate their country.
A man who would not know truth or facts if they bit him on the bum
A man whose funding needs looking at
and more heed paid to his connections
A man who will turn the USA into a third world country
aided by the liberal media who like in this country are afraid to publish the goings on in this world-- who see roses where there are only weeds.

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tommy,

belfast 09/10/2008 09:06:36
Oops forgot (something he and I have in common)
Here is a list of some of his flipflops
http://tinyurl.com/3kt8gw
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/10/2008 09:39:20
#7 2 dogs in D.C.

I apologise to YOU and those dear to you for making a stupid generalisation. OF COURSE all Americans aren't "stoopid". I hope you and your brother have recovered from your wacky over-indulgence in watching that tedious debate.

&10 GC

What is say or opine on these threads means SOMETHING because these forums are democratic and all opinions more or less carry the same weight.

Canada has a unique relationship with the US of A as we are the world's largest trading partners and where the US of A goes politically, economically, etc. affects us profoundly.

So, stop spouting such isolationist nonsense and take some more of your vast drugs of choice, Canny dearest.
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Cleo Austin,

KC 09/10/2008 11:02:15
Hey Tommy, here are some more flip-flops for you:

http://www.alternet.org/election08/90956/

Oops, those are from Mccain, I guess, but they're all the same, aren't they?
45

Matt there,

Somewhere 09/10/2008 11:30:36
@35

"I had to chuckle when someone referred to Palin as the "Avon Lady""

This is not for the reason you would think. But as a pit bull with lipstick, her main hobby is chewing on Avon tyres.
46

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 12:00:54

McCain never left Vietnam

His world no longer exists

Another word for "maverick" is "unstable."
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Scotsman in Dublin,

09/10/2008 14:08:33
Obama - Untried, Inexperienced? Maybe.

McCain - War Mongering fundamentalist nut job - definately.

I've lived in America and the crazy types that would vote for McCain are definately in the minority, unfortunately those same people are the ones who vote in numbers. Obama seems like the best presidential candidate i have seen America produce in my lifetime, i just hope the US electorate can see above the inevitable smear/fear campaign that downed John Kerry.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 14:18:12

Theme song for McCain's "DOUBLE-TALK EXPRESS" -

"We're Leavin' - on that MIDNIGHT TRAIN FOR JUNEAU !
Yes - We're goin' back to find
A simpler state of mind !"

Here's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to join other "End-Timers" in Sarah Palin's Alaska Secessionist movement to become a separate country.

Join other lock-step, anti-intellectuals like yourselves and head north to find the type of folks that share your imagined values !

Bring your bibles and constitutions and quote them to each other incessantly, in the freedom of your own tundra !

Christian Taleban are no longer appreciated in the USA.
49

Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia 09/10/2008 14:37:38
If John McCain loses the election, he'll have Sarah Palin to thank. His VP pick may be good for a few laughs on "Saturday Night Live." She may have sold a warehouse of eyeglasses.
But her recent acid-tongued attack on Barack Obama in which she accused him of "palling around with terrorists" is not only a turn-off, but dangerous.
Together, McCain and Palin have managed to bring out the worst behavior that I've witnessed in a presidential campaign.

Some Palin supports are now screaming "Kill him!"

What I find ironic is it is often members of the Republican Party who accuse black people of whining and blaming their shortcomings on others.

With her winks and her wisecracks, Palin has set the feminist movement back 100 years.

That doesn't make them look like a team of mavericks.

It makes them look like a team of bigots.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1211242,CST-NWS-mitch09.article

McCain, Palin and the republicans are about to bite the dust and I say "good riddance" ya bunch of losers.
50

Media 1,

cape town 09/10/2008 14:50:52
When you remove the mud slinging and all the nonsense that comes with an election you are essentially left with two political parties - no one man runs the country!

So in that regard we are left with two parties - Democrats and Republicans!

In the last 8 years its the Republicans who have destroyed the American economy and sent thousands of young men to their deaths in Iraq - and all because big business demands it.

The Republicans also lied to the American people. They promised they would find the people who attacked 9/11 and go after Osama Bin Laden and they didnt..They let him go, one must wonder what the actual relationship between the hierachy of the oval office and Bin Laden actually is..If they wanted him they could have him, no problem - but they dont go after him and we must ask why.

These things make the Republicans dirty and untrustworthy and that alone should be enough to see the back of them....
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 14:57:57
Thought McCain was far better than Obama in the debate. Obama has always disappointed every time I see him. He is too vacuous. I suppose i lost respect for him when he decried NAFTA for populist reasons only for his aids to be secretly telling the Canada it was a lie. Being caught out lying so openly is not very endearing.

Weirdly it was Obamas outpourings that came across as scarey and dangerous to the world by opening talking about attacking Iran without security council resolutions (does the US not learn) and talking about military invasions into pakistan. His critisms of the US relationship with Mushariff showed complete ignorace of the situation.

On the other hand is running mate for vice president is far better than all of them. Palin is a lunatic.

However while thinking that McCain is probably better than Obama i would still want Obama as the next president. Firstly becuase he will improve the US world relationships and will be far better received. Rightly or wrongly. His outpouring in the debate are probably just for show and hopefully he is not as bad as he sounds. Secondly being black it would help move that issue on so that the US is still waiting for the first black president with the obvious backlash that the US is racist in not voting for him.

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Alan B,

09/10/2008 15:00:47
#Media 1

Problem is Obama sounded abit of a lunatic during the debate. Openly talking about going into Pakistan without approval from the Pakistan government. And talking about invading and attacking Iran without security council resolutions.

It is probably all talk but very dangerous talk.

The US really do not get it. Their blind allegience to Israel is very damaging to world peace.
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Ben More,

Edinburgh 09/10/2008 15:06:48
Tim: by my count, McCain said "my friends" *21* times in the course of the debate. That's a lot of shots of whisky. I bet you were hurting.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE McCain 09/10/2008 15:16:36
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Stefan,

NYC 09/10/2008 15:25:50
Maybe it's just seasonal affective disorder and not the election, but this sucks. Is this really the best we've got? A bitter angry old guy paired with someone who didn't even have the intellectual curiousity to visit another country until her mid forties vs. an untried, inexperienced opportunist paired with a windbag? I actually really like Biden, but who the F___ smiles that much!?! Absolutely F'n depressing. We should be able to recruit statesmen (or women) like CEO's. Bloomberg/Sarkozy in 08.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 15:25:57

(Beliefnet.org)

Re: Israel and Christian Zionists

"According to their reading of the Bible, God established a covenant with Abraham in the Book of Genesis. Essentially, says Beliefnet columnist Richard Land, a Southern Baptist leader with close ties to the Bush Administration, evangelicals support Israel because they believe "God blesses those that bless the Jews and curses those who curse the Jews.

Consequently, we believe America needs to bless the Jews and Israel, because if we bless the Jews and support Israel, God blesses us. And if we don't, God curses us."

But it goes beyond that. The establishment--and continuation--of the State of Israel is essential to set the stage for the imminent return of Jesus. At the time of the Second Coming, these Christians believe, Jesus will descend from heaven, subdue all of Israel's enemies and take believers to heaven in what is known as the Rapture--literally, they will ascend to the clouds to be in heaven. This series of events ushers in the end-times.


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Alan B,

09/10/2008 15:26:19
#Media 1

While Isreal should never have been created in the first place by the British after it took control of the palestinian mandate after the end of ww1, you cannot remove Israel now.

The choices really are:

1)go back to the old palestinian mandate territories which include Jordan, West Bank, Gazza and Israel. Everyone treated equally. Israel would never accept it as it would make the Jews in minority.

2)have a single state made up of Israel, West Bank and Gazza with everyone treated equally ending the appartheid of Israel which is effectively now the last south africa. This would allow for the return of 1million refugees that Israel forced out the country.

Again problem is Israel would not accept it as this Greater Israel would effectively only have a smallish Jewish majority and that is close to having the Jewish section as the largest minority in this new Israel. This could very soon see this new country with Jews as the minority as it would no longer be able to treat palestians in such a second rate manner, with homes only been sold to Jews and the massive other discrimination that goes on.

3)have a 2 state solution. This looks the most practical. But the real issue is land. Should they go back to the 1926 land split which the Jews did not want. Should they use the UN 1947 land split which gave the Jewish side much more land than people and was strongly pushed by the US. Should we go for the so called 1967 borders which were the borders Israel took when it took some of the land in 1948 given to the palestinians by the newly formed UN when the Jews kicked the British out. Or should Israel get to keep some of the land it illegally took after the 67 war and illegally built settlements on.

My own opinion would probably be the 1947 UN borders but Israel will never accept that. Possibly some compromise between the 47 and 67 borders could be reached.

The problem with land for peace is if the palestinians lay down their arms Israel will neve
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 15:26:51
cont..

The problem with land for peace is if the palestinians lay down their arms Israel will never given them their land back. As such we are in a vicious circle.

As a starting point the world community needs to sanction Israel until it atleast withdraws to the 67 borders and then some sort of arbitration needs to divide the land.
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Media 1,

cape town 09/10/2008 15:33:09
Alan B

I dont want Israel removed, there are decent human beings living there and not all of them are as evil as their government.
What I do want is Israeli leaders to be tried for crimes against humanity - all of them in the last 20 years are guilty of mass murder!
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 15:39:34
It was interesting that Clinton blamed the failure of the peace talking in the 90s on Arafat. But the breakdown was due to the fact that the US would only accept the 67 borders and not the 47 borders the palestinians wanted. Despite the fact the 47 borders at the time were agreed by the Jewish side and rejected by the palestinian side. And the fact that the US was instrumental in pushing for countries like France to accept the poor deal for the palestinians by threatening to withhold the money that the US was ploughing into europe to rebuild it after ww2.

The real question is why are the US so pro Israel no matter the facts. Is it shame for not stopping Hitler massacring so many Jews and only joining the war until much later when attacked by the Japanese. The US needs to deal with its shame of not fighting the nazis from the outset and allowing the holocaust to happen and not punish the palestinians for what was a european problem.
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 15:45:25
#Media 1

We can always look back and blame. But we really need a resolution to the problem. That needs the world community including the US to get tough on Israel and forse them to withdraw from Palestian land. The question really is how much Palestian land becuase if it withdrew totally from Palestian land there would be no Israel. The 67 border would be a good start and basis for discussion.

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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 15:57:11
#53
For you to put the onus on the republicans shows you really have no clue. Are they blameless? No. Did they do it alone? NO. Do a little research and you will find that it was those very same republicans that tried to reign in Fannie and Freddie (which are at the root of our wonderful economic crisis) but the DEMOCRATS would have none of it. And take a look at Obamas advisers, and you will see several Fannie/Freddie execs. Open your eyes before making sweeping general statements.
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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 16:00:40
#40
"There are some wonderful Americans.

Why don't any of them ever stand for the Presidency?"

Because they are too smart to get involved with politics.
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Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 16:01:02
And no comment about Samantha Powers??
- a foreign policy expert and adviser to The Messiah- who had to step down when she called Clinton a bitch, but not because her theory of the path to peace in the middle east was to reduce military sales to Israel.

When an adviser says something like that, a candidate will lose Florida and New York, and the election. So a candidate has to keep that kinda stuff secret.

Progressive liberals have a five minute memory from all the brainwashing, so they don't remember a lot of stuff that happens around them in their soon-to-be perfect world.
Yup!! Hopenchange is on the way!!
Vote Palin!!
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 16:15:14
#52

As you can see by positing #66, the ignorant, self-righteous, repressive, lock-step Christian fascists of this country are on the run. Off to Alaska I say !
There they will find folk like themselves, good,
honest inbred families preparing for the End Times !



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Bondbabe,

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA 09/10/2008 16:18:41
We, the American people, are the dumbest lot on Earth. Not only have we endured 8 years of Bush/Cheney terror, lies, the path from a huge surplus to 10 trillion dollar debt, huge job losses, the bailout of corrupt corporations and CEO's but, lo and behold, we're willing to go the same route again with McCain/Palin (Uncle Fester and Cousin Itt from the Addams Family!) What intelligent individual would even consider to elect an old-goat war monger and a true hick from the sticks of Alaska who prides herself for killing Grizzly bears and Moose and parades her knocked-up 17-year old daughter around while proclaiming to be a White-Christian-Coalitionist who was ecxcorcised by a witch doctor and, at the same time, teaching only "Creationism" and "Abstinence" in her Alaskan schools? Neither McCain nor Palin (Xantippe incarnate) have any 21. Century attributes of note other than believing and reveling in their own hype. Both are hate mongers and, like the average American, closet racists!

So, go ahead America! Do yourself in again and prepare for the next 4 year of poverty, job losses, misery, lies and huge war escalations and expenditures while 50 million citizens hit bottom without health care and basic necessities.

Perhaps instead of debating, we should ask our candidates to go on the FOX show "Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader" because the average American hasn't got the brains he/she was born with and then could truly identify with the "Joe Six-pack glorifyers and hockey moms while they sit on their sofas getting fatter and dumber!
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 16:25:29

Bondbabe -

I like your style and your anger.

We allowed ourselves to be conned and bullied by the "repressive right" for too long. I think people finally get the message, especially when they now see how Bush and regime just drained their pension funds to pay off greedy corporations, making us all "socialists" for the benefit of the rich !
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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 16:27:31
#71
Your anti-intellectual rant shows you to be included if you think Obama's economic policies will help this country. Give the democrats full reign (WH and Congress), and you will see "poverty, job losses, misery, lies". And if you don't believe me, look at the history of the "tax and spend party" and judge for yourself - if your smart enough that is.
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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 16:30:43
#72
"Bush and regime just drained their pension funds to pay off greedy corporations, making us all "socialists" for the benefit of the rich ! "

Would you care to post the actual number of democrats and republicans that voted that bill through congress? or would that not fit your agenda?
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 17:16:36

#72 - SouthernGent-

Both Democrats and Republicans were compliant in the mess which the Bush administration watched happen for eight years. Bush now behaves as if he had nothing to do with this. Was this the type of leadership that served our country ?

Believe what you want, blame who you want, the fact remains that McCain has no chance whatever of being elected.

The "tax and spend party" line of yours ?
Why, it's YOUR own party, my friend ! Largest deficit in our history ! Just WHAT are you thinking ?

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2dogs in D.C.,

09/10/2008 17:30:52
#56-Ben More-No, that wasen't Tim. That bout of idiocy was my brother and me. I think the official count of "My friends" was 15-Still to much. We both decided after 8 shots, that we'd substite my Wifes burgundy,instead. That's probably why we are still alive. We were decidedly hurting, but stll alive. Even more remarkably, I made it to work.
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Alan B,

09/10/2008 17:34:44
While Bush was poor economically. Part of the problem was he inherited a bit of a mess from Clinton after the excuberance of the stock market and internet bubble. Although to be fair to Clinton their was not much he could really do that let that bubble run its course.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 09/10/2008 17:54:22
Palin is an idiot. here are 3 links showing some of what she did as mayor of Wasilla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCx7A2lwCWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPTVybEndIo

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4656

why is an idiot raised up in this manner? Kind of like John McCain, he was 5'th from the last out of almost 900 people in his graduating class at the US Naval Academy. he was a poor pilot who couldn't follow instructions. he was a collaborator in north vietnam who gave over 20 propaganda interviews broadcast in North Vietnam. why is a man like this raised up?
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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 18:42:22
#76
"The "tax and spend party" line of yours ? "

I'll give you the spending part as this admin. has not done a good job. But you can't touch it on taxes.

Obama will show you taxes, and you are probably one of those that believe his 95% nonsense. Look at the rest of his taxes, and get a clue. We ALL will pay more, giving us less to spend in the economy.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 18:43:42

#80 Carolyn-

Off your estrogen and thyroid meds again ?

The caffeine doesn't help much either.

Better get those hormones in balance or you'll find yourself partying with obliging female caribou up there in Wasilla !

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 09/10/2008 19:00:37
I don't know what good it will do to elect either Obama or McCain. here is a video about the US Army preparing to invade the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMx2F41XD0

will either Obama or McCain oppose this fascist thuggery???
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Ian Hendry,

Boston USA 09/10/2008 19:05:09
Well the GOP (grumpy old person) certainly showed up the other night, how on earth this man can be considered as a potential president is beyond me.... and as for Palin, says a lot about the GOP's judgement.........
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georgia,

somewhere outside chicago GET OUT THE VOTE!! 09/10/2008 19:29:31
I don't understand everyone's concern with Barack Obama's credentials: very active community organizer; first Black president of the Harvard Law Review; creator of a voter-registration drive that signed up 15,000 new voters; spent 12 years as a Constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago, one of our country's premier learning institutions; spent eight years as a State of Illinois senator representing a district of over 750,000 people; became chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Service Committee; spent four years in the US Senate representing 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works, and Veterans' Affairs committees. What is so bad about that curriculum vitae, especially when compared to that of his opponents in the presidential race? And when compared to the c.v. of the present occupant of the White House?

I only hope and pray that the American people do not get swept up in the "Kill him!" mentality that Palin-McCain would like them to. It is outrageous to suggest that anyone involved in this election would call for the death of an opponent, even indirectly, or consider their job of convincing the American people well-done if murder and violence were the result, or even the implication...Palin and McCain are not exhibiting "Christian values," are they???
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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 20:18:44
#85
Nice list, too bad its misleading. And everything on your list is trumped by his tax plan.

Did you know that 2/3 of small businesses will be subject to his tax increases. A tax rate that he wants to raise from 33% to 40/50%. (Partnerships and sub-s corps hit hardest) Thats every mom and pop you know.

Did you know that these same small businesses account for the majority of jobs in America.

How many of those jobs do you think will go away when companies have to give Uncle Obama 50% of their profits?

How many of those companies will be able to grow?

With all that lost revenue, where will Obama get his money to pay for his spending?

Who do you think pays corporate taxes?

It is a plan that has been proven not to work, but you will vote for him anyhow because you don't know any better.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 20:33:48
Obama makes white guys like me feel good about themselves. He's a cool, smart, black guy and he makes us feel that we're not really that different from him.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 20:44:08
McCain on the other hand represents what we most fear becoming; a doddery, pus-sy-whipped, angry old man.
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LatinLover,

09/10/2008 20:45:09
#85. You don't understand. The problem is not his credentials. Anyone can make any resume look spectacular (put "waste manager" instead of "janitor" for example. The problem is that he wants us to take his word for granted when we have seen time after time that he has lied. Obama was an average high-school student (who moved up in life primarily because of Affirmative Action. Not because we was the best at what de was doing. Then he got endorsed by left wing extremists and other shady and rich!!subjects. But wait, we are not allowed to tell the truth. They call that being racist. He has admitted, Quote: “When I transferred (to Columbia), I decided to buckle down and get serious." You think a white person would have gotten there with his record" I doubt it. But for Affirmative Action he wouldn't have made it to Columbia. Certainly not got into Harvard Law Review. Taken from The Harvard Crimson (Harvard magazine On Line):
"Prior to 1981, law students could join the Review either by being among the top five students in their first-year sections—each class used to be divided into four sections—or through a combination of their grades and their scores on an annual writing competition, a process designed to preserve absolute objectivity.
But the 1981 editors felt it necessary for their admission policy to take into account the underrepresentation of minorities and women.
Under their modified plan, the top four students in each first-year section would still be elected to the Review, but the fifth spot would be reserved for the top-scoring minority student among the top 25, and if no such minority student existed, the fifth spot would go to the woman with the highest grades.
Two days after the adoption of this policy, three editors—including one woman—resigned in protest. "
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=513672
But again, this is all speculation. Since he refuse to release any of his records;asking for grades, recommendation letters, or how he paid for h
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Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 20:45:55

Just exactly what is the progressive education model that Ayers and Obama worked on together??

?http://billayers.wordpress.com/2006/11/

Wm. Ayers at a speech to Chavez:

This is my fourth visit to Venezuela, each time at the invitation of my comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice. Luis has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane. Thank you, Luis, for everything you’ve done....."



Did you notice that part:
we share the belief that education is the motor force for revolution

or
"to overcome the failings of capitalism and seek something new and ....


Ayers and The Messiah worked together on education panels, spending millions of federal taxpayers dollars, ... to teach revolution, and to overthrow capitalism....


and the left wingers wonder why some people are not willingly to sell their soul to The Messiah? Many people do not feel the need to overthrow the US government or democracy and can't understand why half the country is willing to be ignorant of the truth


@82
D.Feste- Illyria, OH

I know where you anger comes from.
It's those years of the hate america education being pumped out by Acorn.
The nut didn't fall far from the tree.

Illyria in Russian means river, why are hiding your communist education?








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LatinLover,

09/10/2008 20:46:23
continued:
Since he refuse to release any of his records;asking for grades, recommendation letters, or how he paid for his expensive school, his birth certificate? Nooo, that's racism. Conspiracy theories. Trust the media to dig out the truth? They have gone after Palin for everything that goes on with the trooper lawsuit. Even located the maker of her eyeglasses. But gone after the poor black guy? To cover the lawsuit that may cause a Constitutional crisis? Nooo. Sad times for this country when race becomes a deterrent to speak the truth. Reverse racism. That's just as bad.
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Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 20:49:24
@82
D.Feste-Illyria, OH

And if you had ANY intelligence, any brain at all that you could think for yourself, you'd be able to come with something to counter my comments beside telling me to check my meds!!! LOL
What grade level does it require to be a parrot that jabbers about estrogen? Pre-school?

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Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 20:55:44
@85 Georgia

How's that voting going in Chicago?

We've got voter fraud law suits in five states.

Acorn is spreading little nuts everywhere even where they don't belong.


Indiana now has 105% of it population registered to vote.
105% !!

And Chicago?
Busloads of you already voted last week in Ohio.

If the FBI and FEC starts jailing anyone, it's going to be racism.

Hopenchange is coming to your neighborhood soon!!!
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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 21:09:16
#94
This from Acorn in Nevada:

"The secretary of state's office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November's general election."

And the Democrats like to accuse Republicans of stealing elections.
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georgia,

just outside chicago 09/10/2008 21:23:52
#94 I have never voted in Chicago, so I don't know what you're talking about...that old-hat accusation about Chicago being a vote-fraud capital is just that - "old hat" just like the stuff about Al Capone, that dog won't hunt in this modern world (too bad Cheney does - hunt, that is....)

You must not study geography, either, or you would know that "Illyria" is just a play on the name of the town "Elyria" in Ohio....what is all this b.s. about it meaning something in Russian? I think you have some 'fessing up to do about your knowledge of Russian, and you need to apologize to the person from Ohio whom you are accusing of being a Russian sympathizer....Elyria....Illyria....just a bunch of stuff signifying nothing.....

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LatinLover,

09/10/2008 21:24:35
Obama-Ayers school model? See the future
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-09-17-2392423987_x.htm

For all those who praise Chavez, Venezuela's public schools are some of the worst in the world (trust it from someone who was not just given the tourist tour). From infrastructure to teachers training, education in Venezuela is going down hill. But what can you expect when you have a President spread bad language in national television anytime (by the way, he suspends normal programming at any time, with no warning, on ALL channels, even private, just to transmit government partisan "revolutionary" events). Dont's trust me", see it yourself if you can stand it. Maybe you'll be lucky if you cannot understand him. Save the link and check once in a while. He loves to interrupt evening programs- prime - time
Link: http://www.contrachavez.org/

Venezuela could be the best country in the world with its natural resources and perfect weather all year long.. Again, the country in general is falling apart with his communist model. You want the US to go down that path? Vote for Obama...
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georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 09/10/2008 21:33:17
Where is all this hate-speak coming from all of a sudden? Now you have someone in league with Chavez, now they're in league with Russians, now they're....wow..it's the economy, stupid, and there is nothing good about it, so we had best get it in place and not through tax cuts for the richest 1% of our population....If you are so against redistribution of wealth, what defense have you got against the fact that the biggest redistribution has occurred in the last eight years???? I guess it's OK if the redistribution goes upward but not so hot if it goes to the middle or bottom....hmmmmm...kind of like communism, really, because communism means hard labor for you, a dacha for me - hard labor for you, a new car for me, etc. etc. etc. Every single radical philosophy depends upon the rich being the ruling class and the workers being the underling class - so how can helping the middle class prosper be communism??? Bush/Cheney/Rove is against that, so gee, what are they???? Just like a bunch of rich, grumpy old maverick Bolsheviks....

You neocons are tedious....I'm going to take a nap now...
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 21:35:40

#93-

Foolish research only leads to foolish conclusions.
Garbage in - garbage out.

Why do you assume that you are writing to a black person ? (your Acorn reference, in this case)
I'm very white. And you seem to be very prejudiced, which is where YOUR anger comes from !

(Illyria is in Ohio and also the old name for the Yugoslavian coastline.)
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georgia,

somewhere outside chicago 09/10/2008 21:43:30
#99
Sorry, I thought you were from Elyria...just wanted to tug a bit at the old apron Carolyn is obviously wearing as she sits in curlers on this thread...

Sorry I mispoke...

G
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Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 21:44:19
@99
If you think Acorn is a black organization, you're ill informed.(If not ignorant and or a racist)

I could care less if you or Obama is pink, green or purple, or all of the above, I do not want an anti-american educator teaching redistribution and theories of marxism.
Sorry, FARC is a terrorist organization, and not my pal. Obama seems to thinks they're aokay.

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Carolyn 1,

09/10/2008 21:47:15
@100

More foolishness.
Is that your style over substance?

BTW, When you've got Scot blood raging through your body, you don't need curlers.
LOL

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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 22:12:21
#98
You and yours just don't get it. There will be no "re-distribution of wealth" as you are told. You will be the one that pays his taxes. The "rich" own the companies that will be required to pay more. These companies will absorb the cost by eliminating your job and raising the price of goods which means you pay more. Try to sell your house and Uncle Obama gets 1/3. Die, and Obama gets 1/2. Withdraw on your pension and Obama gets 1/3.

Unfortunately there are many like you that don't understand that Obama and his team have pulled the wool over your eyes.
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Richardinho,

09/10/2008 22:23:54
#103 Sorry, but all the 'socialist' jibes against Obama or the Democrats in general are pretty meaningless since the entire political community embraced the biggest government bailout in history.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 09/10/2008 22:34:08
34 - ahhrgh I got the opening line wrong !

btw it was written by Paul Anka, so you camn blame him the next time you hear it gettin murdered by a karoke singer.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 22:45:00
Carolyn and Gent-

Yes, gent - we "get it" and are all "getting it" at this very moment !

700 Billion, right ? What is your word for this type of wealth redistribution?



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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 23:32:04
#104
That doesn't mean you compound the problem.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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LatinLover,

09/10/2008 23:32:45
#105. No, M'Friend. YOU got it all wrong. "My Way" was CO-WRITTEN by Paul Anka (born in Lebanon, naturalized Canadian, then American) & Frank Sinatra in 1969 . Sinatra's version was the one that took off.
I prefer Sinatra though. A matter of stile, I supossed.

Here you have the full lyrics.
http://www.cse.cuhk.edu.hk/~cslui/myway.html

Tell me Pilrig, are you a Canadian undercover or you just a talk before you think/research indivisual? I for one don't blame anyone for having to withstand a bad singer at a Kareoke Bar. As with everything else, I chose where I go and don't blame others if I get screwed.

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SouthernGent,

09/10/2008 23:33:50
#106
And tell me again - Who controls Congress?
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

09/10/2008 23:43:48
We're going in circles - have a good evening !
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Yane,

10/10/2008 00:01:17
#77 2dogs — you are so funny. But if you got plastered during the debate how are ya gonna be on election night?
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thatscottishman,

10/10/2008 01:42:39
86 Cutty Sark

Troll
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia IMF Ranking 4th 10/10/2008 03:01:25
#80 Carolyn 1 The Racist/Bad Speller
"The Sun Times IS the Chicago Sun Times"

Then why post this comment below for post #52 when the link was inserted???
"Your latest comment was stolen/lifted/ plagiarized from the Chicago Sun Times"

This is the link inserted on post #52 you idiot
http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1211242,CST-NWS-mitch09.article

You owe me an apology? Make an appointment with an optometrist immediately

Carolyn being a republican likes to have people's posts removed by clicking on the 'Report Unsuitable" button and having a winge.
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JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 10/10/2008 10:54:13
The attempt to pretend that Obama is not a 'true' American even though he was born in Hawaii and the republicans claims that he is a 'friend of terrorists' share a common theme.

Desperation, if not thinly disguised racism. It won't work. Bush and his 'sister in spirit' Palin are going down. McCain has shown he is incapable of standing up to the nastier elements in his own party who are now running his campaign. Live by the sword - die by the sword.

It's the Democrats turn and the choice of Obama and a likely Palin Presidency (McCain's health is poor) is a no-brainer.

Have to say though that the choice could be better! It reminds me of Henry Ford "you can have any colour of car, as long as it's Black".

Why not a European style social democratic 'Liberal Party' which would support the rights of ordinary American workers rather than the rights of billionaires to avoid paying taxes. Workers rights in the US are truely shocking in comparison to Europe.

They could be a hell of a lot better but you have to get a party which is 'different' to make that happen.
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SouthernGent,

10/10/2008 12:38:02
#114
Why would anyone want a society full of lazy people?

Socialism breeds laziness and lowers productivity.
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10/10/2008 17:55:27
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Scythia,

10/10/2008 19:29:50
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So what does Barack Hussien Omama and Osama Bin Laden have in common ?

Both have friends who blew up the Petagon, he, he.
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LatinLover,

10/10/2008 20:43:35
This is what is coming and it will be all your fault libs. God save us!!...

Obama youth camps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3paLqu7BrxU&NR=1

Nation of Islam reunions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE
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Rob Bennett,

Point Piper Australia - IMF Ranking 4th - USA Rank 11/10/2008 05:23:12
Barack Obama 'THE MAN' continues to gallop ahead like a knight in shiny armour on his thoroughbred stallion leaving McCain, Palin and his decrepit bunch of republican losers dithering in the dust.

Hey ho, away McCain goes, donkey riding donkey riding
Hey ho, with Palin in tow, riding on their donkeys

Hee-haw, Hee-haw .... LOL

How good is that?
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britfreee,

camelon 11/10/2008 11:20:55
Hanging Out with Radical 60s Bomber

Bill Ayers, the son of a rich utility executive, calls himself a "small-C communist." In 1969, he and his wife Bernadette Dohrn helped found the Weathermen (aka the Weather Underground), a radical group that bombed several buildings, killing a police officer and three of their own members. In 1981, an armed robbery of a Brinks truck by Weather Underground members killed two police and a security guard.

By then Ayers and Dohrn has morphed into reasonably respectable radical professors in Chicago, and weren't involved. But Ayers has no regrets; in 2001 he even wrote "I don't regret settings bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers and Dohrn were never convicted because of illegal wiretaps and other prosecutorial misconduct that got their charges thrown out.

Great scandal, huh? Only problem is that Ayers' links to Obama are not that clear because the press never pursued the links and still want the Obama coronation in November.

Ayers & Obama live 3 blocks apart in Chicago's wealthy Hyde Park neighborhood, and their kids go to the same school. In 1995, they were both on the board of a charity founded by Walter Annenberg, the billionaire founder of Reader's Digest. From 2000 to 2002 they were on another board together (the Woods Foundation). Obama praised one of Ayers' many books, in a 1997 newspaper interview. Ayers donated $200 to Obama's 2001 campaign. The biggest link was in 1995, when Ayers and Dohrn hosted a coffee fundraiser, at which State Senator Alice Palmer introduced Obama as her chosen successor as state senator. Obama certainly had no problem with that hosting in the home of the terrorist Ayers.
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Media 1,

cape town 11/10/2008 12:49:31
britfree

Party politics - lets remember that no country is run by one man!

And speaking about political parties, its not Obama's who failed the American people by destroying the economy. It isnt Obama's party who let Bin Laden go so they could kill more Americans in an illegal war in Iraq.

Where is Osama Bin Laden? Howcome he is still out there?

Erm - perhaps because the biggest terrorist is a friend of the oval office, I mean why else would they not have him?

Obama could never be as evil as the PARTY who are currently in power.
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SouthernGent,

11/10/2008 14:40:38
123

"And speaking about political parties its not Obama's who failed the American people by destroying the economy."

What an ill informed comment. For starters, Obamas party has controlled congress for the last 2 years.
Second, Fannie and Freddie are at the ROOT of the financial crisis, and are laden with Obamas partys' fingerprints. It can actually be said that the democrats actually caused the entire crisis.

Don't just spout the talking points, read about Fannie/Freddie and educate yourself.
121

LatinLover,

11/10/2008 20:27:31
Please, open your eyes and use your brains. See the truth about your Messiah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

 

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