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Published Date: 01 November 2008
AMERICA'S election campaign is grinding to a close with a new survey painting a bleak picture for John McCain as he tries to close on Barack Obama ahead of Tuesday's vote.
The New York Times/CBS poll looks past voting intentions to the attitudes that shape voter choice, and it appears to show Americans are opposed to Mr McCain on a string of issues.

Some 88 per cent of those surveyed said they think their country is
on the wrong track – 64 per cent think Mr Obama can bring change, against 39 per cent for Mr McCain.

On the economy, 54 per cent thinking Mr Obama can fix things compared with 32 per cent for his rival. And on healthcare, 66 per cent believe Mr Obama can bring spiralling insurance costs down, against only 23 per cent for Mr McCain.

The survey indicates Mr McCain will need to do more than question Mr Obama's competence or produce a new policy initiative to regain the lead.

Rather, Mr McCain must somehow change voter perceptions of his candidacy across a broad spectrum of issues – a task he will take on in spectacular fashion on Monday when he makes seven speeches in seven cities in seven states.

But Mr McCain's campaign is being handicapped by the growing unpopularity of his running-mate, Sarah Palin – the same poll found that 59 per cent of voters feel she is unfit for office, a 9 per cent rise in the past month.

Adding to Mr McCain's woes, one of his most high-profile supporters, Lawrence Eagleburger, secretary of state to George Bush snr, yesterday said that Palin was incompetent. "I devoutly hope she would never be tested," he said. "I don't think at the moment she is prepared to take over the reins of the presidency."

Publicly, Mr McCain remains confident, and has begun appearing at rallies alongside "Joe the Plumber" – Joe Wurzelbacher – hoping to portray himself as being in touch with the concerns of ordinary voters.

"I've been in a lot of campaigns and I can feel momentum, and I can feel momentum in this room tonight," he said in a speech in Ohio.

Campaign staff have seized on the tightening of opinion polls in some states – including Missouri and Florida where the two candidates are in dead heat – as proof of a comeback.

Mr McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, said: "We are witnessing, I believe, probably one of the greatest comebacks that you've seen since John McCain won the primary."

Mr McCain has also taken the risk of appearing on the satirical comedy show Saturday Night Live this weekend, despite the show frequently lampooning him as dim and elderly.

Two weeks ago, Mrs Palin appeared on the show alongside Tina Fey, who impersonates the vice-presidential candidate, attracting a huge audience but failing to halt her falling approval ratings.

Mr Obama is planning his own marathon with a swing through eight battleground states between now and polling day.

Yesterday he returned to Iowa, the scene of his first primary election triumph.

"Don't believe for a second this election is over," he said. "In four days we can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election. That asks us to fear when we need to hope."

Mr Obama can afford his upbeat tone, with the New York Times poll giving him a nine-point lead over his rival, and Gallup putting the gap at eight.

And there were signs yesterday that Mr Obama is prepared to flex his muscles.

A reporter from Rupert Murdoch's pro-McCain flagship newspaper the New York Post was told that he had lost his seat on the Obama campaign plane, along with the correspondent of the right-wing Washington Times. Obama spokesman Bill Burton said both men were welcome to follow Mr Obama's eight-state marathon by bus instead.

Biden masters the art of script-reading

WHEN he strayed off script this week on the campaign trail, the usually loquacious but gaffe-prone Joe Biden quickly reeled himself in.

Famous for off-the-cuff comments he later regrets and for long-winded speeches, the Democratic vice-presidential candidate, a veteran foreign policy expert in the US Senate, is showing unusual restraint.

With polls giving Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, a lead over the Republican John McCain, Mr Biden is anxious not to create an unwelcome diversion before Tuesday's election.

Described by a Republican as "the sound-bite machine that keeps on giving", Mr Biden's biggest gaffe has been to say that if Mr Obama wins, he will be tested in his first six months, a comment the McCain camp seized on as it argued that the first-term senator was too inexperienced to be president.

"Watch – we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy," said Mr Biden, immediately raising red flags among Obama staffers.

On the trail, Mr Biden is kept largely away from reporters and has not held a news conference since early September.

But his supporters largely forgive his missteps and refer to his experience as a big plus.

"He can be trusted," said one when asked what she thought of Mr Biden's occasional mistakes.





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2dogs in D.C.,

01/11/2008 00:42:51
Oh,I think Virginian will find a way to spin the facts. Every things going swimmingly,GOP.
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01/11/2008 01:09:47
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 01/11/2008 01:16:24
#2

"Mr M and Palin for me".

Are you posting from a lunatic asylum? Your re-orientation program is obviously not working.
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Scullion,

Canada 01/11/2008 01:23:40
Although only Americans can vote on the issue, the entire world is hoping for an Obama victory. I know some in the U.S. may twist this as a reason not to vote for him but the importance of having the U.S. rejoin the forward thinking democracies would, I hope, convince them otherwise.
The world needs Obama; please give him to us.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

01/11/2008 01:40:48

Some Comic Relief - Sarah Style !


"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

Nobody says it like Sarah !

PS - 2Dogs - Can we start the party yet ?

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sandy,

USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 01/11/2008 01:45:41
Chris Stephen will be mighty sad on Jan 20th when John McCain is sworn in as President of these United States....

He has written more sweet articles on Obama than any journalist in the states....Inaccurate but sweet!
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 01:50:50
Scullion..You can have him.. IN YOUR COUNTRY!! He would fit right in with Universal Healthcare, redistribution of money..even Europe can take him... he fits right in there too.
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Guga II,

Rockall 01/11/2008 02:16:21
#6 & #7.

You two are in for a major disappointment. Still, you could always emigrate to Mexico, though I doubt the Mexicans would welcome a couple of rednecks into their community.
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sandy,

USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 01/11/2008 02:41:15
Guga ll

You have a delicious sense of humor and I'm not offended by being called a redneck:)

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 02:44:15
Polls .. 47% Obama 44% McCain
Gov. Righardson just dropped the numbers for taxes... to
$120,000.. is that a mistake too? It went down again.. espcially when Obama voted for $42,000.. His numbers keep going down.
Don't you think this should be cleared up..? If you worry about creating jobs, don't you think he should have a tax freeze till we are out of this recession?


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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 03:39:13
#11 Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law,
Easy with the humour:))))))))

#12 erdgeist,
You sound more like a wannabe black than the real thing.
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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 03:49:41
Now to the article, McCain is getting more desperate by the minute which is clearly shown when he's counting on "Joe the wannabe plumber" to save his bacon and he also realizes, too late mind you, how badly he screwed up by choosing Palin as his running mate.
There's still election fraud that's been known to haunt American politics and the general attitude shown in the Anerican public so there's always that long shot that McCain can pull it out of the fire. Let's hope that I'm wrong about that.

#7 Lynne,
Sour grapes?
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 04:03:46
individual's right to own guns. But in 1996, he stated on a questionnaire that he opposed the sale, manufacture, and possession or firearms. At a Milwaukee news conference this year, he said cities should be able to enact gun control "to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings." The NRA awarded Obama an "F" grade on protecting Second Amendment rights. On that issue, Obama would appear to be seriously at odds with the average voter. A June 4-5 CNN poll of 1,035 adults nationwide showed that 87 percent oppose "Preventing all Americans from owning guns." Similarly, a Feb. 8-10 Gallup survey of 1,016 adults found that 73 percent agree that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to own firearms.

During the Democratic primary, Obama repeatedly voiced support for granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, describing it as a public safety issue. Yet 77 percent of Americans oppose giving driver's licenses to illegals, compared with just 16 percent who favor it, according to a Nov. 6, 2007, Rasmussen Reports survey. Even 68 percent of Democrats thought driver's licenses for illegals is a bad idea.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 04:04:29
Obama has pledged that 95 percent of Americans will actually get a tax cut under his proposals-quite a feat considering that more than a third of American adults currently pay no taxes at all. Promises aside, an August 26 Gallup poll of 1,023 adults shows 53 percent expect Obama to bring higher taxes. A September Rasmussen poll of 1,000 likely voters gave voters a choice: Fewer government services and lower taxes; or more government services and higher taxes. By a 57 to 31 percent margin, voters preferred lower taxes -- even at the cost of fewer government services.

On partial-birth abortion, Obama said during an April 26, 2007, Democratic primary debate that he trusts women to decide for themselves if they want them. Obama stated that he strongly disagreed with a Supreme Court decision last year upholding a ban on partial-birth abortions, because it provided no exception provided for a pregnant woman's health. Given such an exception, Obama said he would consider limits on late-term abortion. In August, he said that the question of when a baby qualifies for human rights is "above my pay grade." NARAL, the pro-abortion rights advocacy organization, gives him a perfect 100 pro-choice rating. But 68 percent of voters disagree with Obama and favor a ban on partial-birth abortions, according to a November 2003 Gallup poll of 1,036 adults.

All of which raises the possibility of a country at war electing the candidate widely viewed as less capable of protecting the country.
"McCain is seen far and away as a better commander in chief," Zogby said, "but nobody's thinking about that right now

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 04:07:23
pm55...No sour grapes.. the election is Nov. 4th.. and it isn't over till it's over.
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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 04:24:44
#19 Lynne,
No arguments from me there, thus the little footnote at post #16 about your country's history of election fraud.
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Rob Bennett,

Perth WA In Transit 01/11/2008 04:25:35
"Sarah Palin – the same poll found that 59 per cent of voters feel she is unfit for office, a 9 per cent rise in the past month"

59% believe Sarah Bimbo Palin is UNFIT for office

All except Carolyn, Lynne, Sandi and her shadow, Sandy

It's all over, there's no second prize for losing

Winners are grinners

Obama has McCain and Palin under the pump while Virginian is still frothing at the mouth while flogging his dead horse
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nolimits,

BC Interior 01/11/2008 04:26:29
#19: Lynne, yup it ain't over until its over, and god help the world if McCain/Palin win.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 05:22:25
Zogby as of 11.01.08..McCain up by 1.. and the people are waking up to redistribution of their money.. It was bound to happen.
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Samcafe,

Glasgow 01/11/2008 05:35:17
Lynne do you mean the $700 billion, soon to be $1.4 trillion distribution of their money? I really struggle to understand how a man saying he hates guns and wants to stop gangstas killing each other and the general public is a bad thing???
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 01/11/2008 07:55:41
Every American family should own a flame thrower.
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Boy Wonder,

01/11/2008 09:54:49
I like what I heard last night ...

It was Sarah Palin put the ALAS in Alaska!!! :D :D
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ddmc,

01/11/2008 10:13:47
It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people (or machines) who count the vote that matter.
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Bruce Hollands,

A Desert Rock off the west coast of Africa 01/11/2008 10:27:17
With the US Presidential election merely days away, how is it possible that no political commentator, on either side of the Atlantic, has stated the obvious – the Republicans don’t want to win?

With the international money markets in freefall and the world facing a crisis far more serious and far-reaching than the Great Depression of the last century, who would want to run a four year term of office during a five year recession?

If they had been serious about a third term in the 21st century, they would have fielded a candidate with a little more charisma than John McCain (and wouldn’t have told him to pick a trigger-happy, corrupt, uninformed airhead as his running mate).

Let us not forget into whose pockets all this disappeared money has gone, nor whose friends have secured contracts worth billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was the GOP that got us into this mess – they’ve made their money and now they want out, so they can criticise President Obama from the sidelines as he tries to sort out their mess.

The US public allowed George W to get away with stealing the election in 2000 (with more than a little help from daddy’s friends in the Supreme Court), then on the back of his illegal attacks on reserve-rich foreign countries in the name of the War Against Terror, they re-elected him four years later.

It is time for US citizens to wake up to the fact that, unless they are among the 400 richest Americans – a vote for the Republicans, be it now, 2012, 2016 or any other time in the future is like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.
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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 11:16:56
#31 JayDeeTee,
As sick as your sense of humour is, it caught me laughing out loud, and it would be very interesting to say the least.
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Carolyn 1,

01/11/2008 11:21:02
@30 Bruce Hollands
" The US public allowed George W to get away with stealing the election in 2000 (with more than a little help from daddy’s friends in the Supreme Court),"

??

That's one of those statements that rile more than a few Americans.
George Bush won the 2000 election by counting the absentee votes including the absentee ballots from the military.

Florida law says to not count absentee ballots if they don't have a postage mark. Much mail from the military does not have a postage mark. BUT, the Federal law, which over rules state law, says absentee ballots do not need postage marks. The Federal government, therefore, required Florida to count the military vote.

SO yes, George Bush won the election by counting the military vote.

To many of us, it's a disgrace that we send our children off to war, but would refuse to accept their vote
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

01/11/2008 12:26:23

Re: Rev. Kelvino & Feste -

The occasionally Rev. Kelvino, known to some on these boards, will be curtailing his opinions and those of his more midwestern persona, D. Feste ( the fool)
in anticipatory celebration of the next President of the United States. . . . Barack Hussein Obama !

Both entities extend their sincere wishes for speedy recoveries for McNasty & ParaSailin' supporters.

YOU BETCHA !
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Carolyn 1,

01/11/2008 12:48:30
@ 35 Postmark-55,

It comes as no surprise that you think it's admirable that a kid in the military, should be denied the right to vote.
-in that instance in the 2000 Florida recount, members of the recently bombed Cole, who were under the command of President Bill Clinton, were one such group who did not have their vote counted.
America is better than that: and that's why we count the military vote.
...

Why is it, Postmark, that when someone like you or D.Feste has nothing intelligent to say, you fall back on "You'd better find yourself another quack to line you up with some stronger meds." ??


As for the meds, Thanks but no thanks, on the meds, I need to keep my job, -someone has to pay for Obama's Auntie's free apartment, free food, and free medical care.
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Carolyn 1,

01/11/2008 12:56:12
The Zogby poll on Friday

McCain: 48
Obama: 47

The race ain't over until we vote.

Especially in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri and Florida

Vote early.
Vote often.
Vote Republican.
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sandy,

USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 01/11/2008 13:09:18
Real voter fraud in America:

Those voting for Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6kKPcYbM0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPvJRkyb8PQ&feature=related

One voter for Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0

Several voters for Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzFOOcEQtP0&feature=related

More voters for Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgXPVmlXKQI&feature=related


Obama's friends & supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaI_lPQkal8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xx9E_G6-EM&feature=related

I think it's important those in the ROTW are as informed of who our candidates are, as we are; so i'm posting a bit more of what you perhaps do not know and in their own words...

When next Mr. Stephens writes an article on McCain I will then share that info....
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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 13:18:04
#37 Carolyn 1,
I could forgive you if this had been the first post you had ever made but in fact every time you post here you border on the ridiculous and insane, therefore the little jibe about meds.
My son is in the Canadian military so no I don't have a problem with military personel voting, but I do have problems with rigged elections as your country is infamous for. You also mention a handful who didn't have their vote counted, but what about the untold thousands who had their's overruled because of election fraud, for that's what it was in 2000, pure fraud.
As far as your military goes, bring them home, quit terrorizing globally and clean up your own country, believe me, they have their work cut out for them AND they can vote. When you bring your terrorists home, the other ones won't come to your soil, they are busy killing each other over there in the name of some God, just like yours kill them in the name of some screwed up form of Democracy your Administration is hell-bent on pushing down everyone's throats.
It's sad to see that women like yourself, Sandi and Lynne are war supporters, which you most definitely are by backing McCain and Palin. Go back to being mothers and grandmothers, that's what the children really need.
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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 13:20:46
#38 Carolyn 1,
What's with the vote often comment, is that how this election will go down as well?
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 01/11/2008 13:35:53
I finally figured out it's the water in Alaska that does strange things to Politicians. Regular people as I see on Mudflats are quite normal.

Is reality that different up in Alaska? Sarah Palin said she did nothing wrong when she clearly violated ethics laws. Now Ted Stevens says he wasn't convicted. Huh? From the Anchorage Daily News:
With just four days before the election and Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens insisting he's not a felon, the U.S. Senate race is white hot.
"I've not been convicted yet," Stevens said Thursday in a meeting with the editorial board of the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner. "There's not a black mark by my name yet, until the appeal is over and I am finally convicted, if that happens. If that happens, of course I'll do what's right for Alaska and for the Senate. ... I don't anticipate it happening, and until it happens I do not have a black mark."
Stevens reiterated that position during a televised debate late Thursday night, declaring early in the give-and-take with Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich, "I have not been convicted of anything."
But wait, I thought Ted Stevens was convicted and even Republicans were asking him to resign? Seems that the Anchorage Daily News is living in the same world I am:
A Washington, D.C., jury Monday convicted Stevens of seven felony counts of lying on financial disclosure forms about thousands of dollars of gifts and home renovations from Veco Corp. ...
Senate Republicans including minority leader McConnell have said Stevens should resign. So has Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, and her running mate, John McCain.
Ted Stevens has completely lost it. How can anyone in Alaska vote for a convicted felon? He will get a lot of votes - earmarks mean a lot to Alaskans.
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 01/11/2008 13:41:22
I finally figured out it's the water in Alaska that does strange things to Politicians. Regular people as I see on Mudflats are quite normal.

Is reality that different up in Alaska? Sarah Palin said she did nothing wrong when she clearly violated ethics laws. Now Ted Stevens says he wasn't convicted. Huh? From the Anchorage Daily News:
With just four days before the election and Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens insisting he's not a felon, the U.S. Senate race is white hot.
"I've not been convicted yet," Stevens said Thursday in a meeting with the editorial board of the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner. "There's not a black mark by my name yet, until the appeal is over and I am finally convicted, if that happens. If that happens, of course I'll do what's right for Alaska and for the Senate. ... I don't anticipate it happening, and until it happens I do not have a black mark."
Stevens reiterated that position during a televised debate late Thursday night, declaring early in the give-and-take with Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich, "I have not been convicted of anything."
But wait, I thought Ted Stevens was convicted and even Republicans were asking him to resign? Seems that the Anchorage Daily News is living in the same world I am:
A Washington, D.C., jury Monday convicted Stevens of seven felony counts of lying on financial disclosure forms about thousands of dollars of gifts and home renovations from Veco Corp. ...
Senate Republicans including minority leader McConnell have said Stevens should resign. So has Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, and her running mate, John McCain.
Ted Stevens has completely lost it. How can anyone in Alaska vote for a convicted felon? He will get a lot of votes - earmarks mean a lot to Alaskans.
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James Donald,

Newbridge 01/11/2008 13:51:25
#35 Postmark-55,Red China - What do you care about elections when you are a Communist that does not believe in democracy?
If Carolyn gets stronger meds, she would best send them in your direction.
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Carolyn 1,

South of Auntie Obama's South Boston 01/11/2008 14:34:00
@42 Postmark
As for my comment:
Vote early.
Vote often.
Vote Republican.
I was asked by a senator, and agreed to work on a paper to beef up a bill for an amendment to our Constitution that would change the electoral college for president.
My working on the paper went south when I said it needs to include voter registration reform: I want to write in a Federal law of One vote to One social security number.

The Honorable Senator however believes whoever shows up to vote can vote, because it's the democratic way, no ID required.

So if the democrats can do it, why can't republicans?
Vote Early.
Vote Often.
Vote Republican


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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 14:35:41
#45 James Donald,
And for your information James Donald, voting is a waste of time and money, as the American elections have highlighted so often, as indeed yours.
As much as Scotland wants to be independent, your collective votes have accomplished nothing and I'm sure that many millions if not billions have been spent on that cause.
And we have melamine thank you, we don't need your cheap meds.
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Domingo Tavella,

San Francisco 01/11/2008 14:39:55
Obama's supporters are much more likely to be unpleasantly surprised on Tuesday than the polls indicate.

About 70% of those contacted by pollsters refuse to be interviewed, an extremely high percentage. A plausible reason is that tens of millions of white males, frightened and resentful, hide behind a veil of silence. They hide, but they are ready to act on election day.

Another reason for Obama to be concerned is that the number of undecideds is growing, the opposite of what happens under normal circumstances when both candidates are white. Here again, one can postulate that whites, squeezed between economic despair and racist fears, are likely to turn to the more familiar image of McCain at the last minute.

Ultimately, thinking Americans and the world must confront the fact that the reason Obama is part of the equation at all is rooted in economic despair, and not in a sudden epiphany of enlightenment in the American electorate.

McCain, with his dogmatism and war-like mentality, and Palin, who has a direct line with God and little education, are much closer to the American middle than Obama, a black Harvard graduate, can ever hope to be.

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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 14:41:12
#48 Carolyn 1,
So are you echoing what this senator is saying or are you endorsing what this senator is saying? You aren't really clear on that point.
If you are indeed endorsing it then we are through discussing it, for it is the epitomy of election fraud.
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Postmark-55,

China, 01/11/2008 14:43:47
#50 Domingo Tavella,
Sadly, you are most likely right, racism is still alive and well in America, in fact, all over the planet.
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Wally,

by the rivers of babylon (USA) 01/11/2008 16:40:50
evidently Rupert Murdoch does not support Obama. Here's a link on that.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,24584219-643,00.html

Murdoch says that Obama will be bad for 'globalization'. However, Obama supports globalization. obama & murdoch are on the same team, murdoch's only throwing up a smoke-screen of confusion. The anti-obama crowd instictively rallies around 'globalization'. while the process of globalization is obscured.

Obama must support both Israel and globalization in order to be supported by those who rule us as the president. Globalization is where trade-treaties and other treaties cause national governments around the world to surrender power (sovereignty) to global institutions functioning as non-governmental organizations, but are really non-profit corporations founded by for-profit corporations.

the last US presidents to balk even slightly on pursuing the globalization agenda were jimmy carter & ronald reagan. both were overcome under bush-clinton-bush and the globalization agenda strongly advanced. obama won't derail it.
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Carolyn 1,

01/11/2008 16:54:10

"pessimistic conservatives will reluctantly trudge to the polls on November 4, each one imagining they are the only remaining person in the entire country voting for McCain, and lo and behold — they’ll turn out to be a silent majority after all. "
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2dogs in D.C.,

01/11/2008 16:55:22
A retired Ambassador known to me,made an interesting comment as he was leaving the property w/ his golden retriever. He said that if he were in charge of the RNC, he would reccomend letting the Democrats win,all across the board. His reasoning was that everything right now is such a total disaster,no party could fix it in four years,and the people might just get frustrated w/the Dems. inabilty to fix the past 8 years mess.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 17:06:38
Poll: Israel would be a red state
And in a poll of 817 Americans who cast their absentee ballots here this week – 76 percent said they voted for Sen. John McCain and 24 percent said they voted for Sen. Barack Obama.

The poll, which was commissioned by the Vote from Israel organization, was conducted by Keevoon, a Jerusalem-based research firm.
Voters answered poll questions regarding the issues they considered most important, as well as which candidate they thought more capable of handling a host of issues.
More than half of the respondents listed foreign policy (including Israel policy) as the most important factor influencing their vote. The potential threat from a nuclear Iran was of concern to these voters. Nearly two-thirds of respondents were "very concerned" by the Iranian threat, with 93 percent agreeing that a nuclear Iran would be a threat to the United States.



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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 17:24:49
#50
" a black Harvard graduate, "

The fact that Obama should never have been a "Harvard" graduate is the ultimate in racism. He got in not based on merit (which means someone more deserving did not get in), but on "legal" race discrimination - affirmative action.

Racism will never end in this country as long as there is "legal" racism favoring any individual.


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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 01/11/2008 17:25:27
#4 Scullion. Not all the world wants Osama. Just the left leaning.Idiot brigade with a foolish guilt complex.

Should he get in so be it..they Americans have previously voted in Carter, Clinton and Bush simply proving that the Americans often get it wrong.

The Scotsman, CNN and the L.A times are all left leaning media sources. An Osama presidency will be a chuckle. It may even make the Marion Barry Mayorship of DC look positively boring.

Glad I live in Canada, with a Euro passport.

All the best.




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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 17:25:56
sm... #63 where have you been? In the cave I guess with your friends. We haven't lost any wars. We just turned over the 13th Province to Iraqis, who have also just arrested 220 suspected Al Qaeda..
That's only 5 more provinces to go. Even Baghdad has been quiet, and people are in the markets etc.
The only reason why you would say McCain is a clone of Bush is becaue Obama says that... and he knows better.
He is a liar, a great brother, and nephew, and he already has been proven to be DEAF and BLIND.. by the way he doesn't know his friends and family.!!

The average American is worried about his economic future.. NOT Economic Justice.. and the average American is worried about Terrorism and foreign affairs. IT DIDN'T GO AWAY because of this election..
it got put on the back burner. But we worry about it, and McCain is a known quantity..Obama, on the other hand not only has NO Experience.. he is dangerous to the future of America and her allies.

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Pelon,

Battleground state of NM 01/11/2008 17:27:51
Polls? We don't need no stinking polls! For what purpose? To check whether we think along with this line, or that line? Hedge bets? It does seem pointless, doesn't it? A vote is a voice, spit it oot!

Obama will be our next POTUS, everyone knows that, although some only begrudgingly. If the caca impacts the wind throwing device and a fraud, or worse, is perpetrated upon the populace, and Senator Whine and Governor Screech are elected, then the world is truly in trouble. Relax.

Could bad things happen? Yes. It has happened before, and could happen again. Bad things ARE happening.
Do we want things to be worse? Some of our particularly ill and evidently un-medicated friends wish it so, but it appears most of our populace are alert, and want the (caca) to cease.

We are voting early in record numbers (Bama/Biden for me), and while a great many of us conceal our electoral intentions and the facts of our actions until the cake is baked, some of us don't even let on after we've polished off a slice of the cake that it wasn't the one we put in the oven!

Maybe it ain't over til it's over, but the aroma in the kitchen ain't so hard to identify that I need someone to tell me that its chocolate.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 17:27:54
#4
"I know some in the U.S. may twist this as a reason not to vote for him but the importance of having the U.S. rejoin the forward thinking democracies would, I hope, convince them otherwise"

These "forward thinking" democracies you speak of are all on the verge of socialism. Hugo Chavez may be your poster boy, but many here want no part of it.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 01/11/2008 17:27:58
sm..Evidently you can't read.. It was Americans who took the poll..
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Pelon,

NM 01/11/2008 17:31:29
EVERYONE is taking polls.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 17:36:59
#30
"It was the GOP that got us into this mess "

Typical uninformed democrat. In case you haven't noticed, the democrats took control of Congress 2 years ago, and have done NOTHING. It took BOTH parties to get us where we are. Ans Fannie and Freddie had nothing to do with it as well? Get your head out of the sand.



On rigging elections: Funny how an election is never rigged UNLESS ones favored candidate didn't win.
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Michael F. Moore,

Flint, MI 01/11/2008 17:53:17
#61 Postmark-55

You sound more like a troll, trolls are usally very neagtive.
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Pelon,

NM 01/11/2008 18:02:43
#73.

You make a fairly reasonable comment, and it speaks well to recognize that we all share the blame.

However, by the description of a democrat as 'typically uninformed" you suggest that a republican is then typically INFORMED. What does that say about the eight years of GWB? When should we expect the informed republican to alert the 'typical uninformed democrat' of the current debacle?

Let's see now, what 'signs' have been posted, kif any? Well, there is deregulation, that left the foxes into the henhouse, and then there is Karl Rove, the minister of offense, and we musn't forget the signing statements, the essential declaration that our CiC is ABOVE THE LAW, or the simple echo of that in the politizizing of the Justice Department.

No, I take the insinuation back. The informed republicans have actually been informing the democrats all along.

Now it will be a lopsided administration. Who is to blame?
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James Donald,

Newbridge 01/11/2008 18:04:06
#49 Postmark 55 - Certainly Communists consider elections as a waste of time since they seldom win them unless they are the only candidates. If enough Scots vote for independance, they will achieve it and thus far votes for the SNP have elected a government in Scotland, who's goal is independance. So much more civilized than the normal Communist terror campaigns.
Enjoy your melamine and other slow poisons in the workers' paradise.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 18:05:04
#75
Although I understand how the "rest of the world" dislikes some of the US foreign policy, if Obama is elected, they will soon come to dislike the democrats economic policies as the world heads into a deeper recession or depression.

Be careful what you wish for, as one may be far worse than the other.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 18:14:06
#76
Try looking up Senate bill (s 190), which would have implemented regulations (oh no!) on Fannie and Freddie, which very well may have averted this entire financial meltdown. When you do your research, notice that it was introduced by the republicans, and also notice that it was the democrats that voted against it - across the board. That would be Mr.Dodd and gang.

As for the "typical uninformed democrat", the "typical" applies to his being "uninformed" vs just deomocrat. There are also "typical" uninformed independants and republicans:)
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Laurette,

Carlsbad, California 01/11/2008 18:25:33
Palin: Ok, we're confident that we're going to win on Tuesday so from there, those first 100 days, how we're going to kick in the plan that will get this economy back on the right track and really shore up the strategies that we need over in Iraq and Iran to win these wars...This was Palin on Fox News

Isn't it a little dangerous for her to be talking as though we have plans to be in a War with Iran. I'd be a little bit concerned about a McCain presidency if his VP doesn't know that at this point we are NOT at War with Iran. Cindy - get a food taster for John if you care anything about this Country.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 18:33:58
#80

I bet if you asked the troops on the ground that may be getting blown up by Iranian weapons or Iranian trained fighters whether we are at war with Iran, you'd get a different version than yours.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 19:01:52
#84
How do you build "social programs" without money? If you kill the goose, who's going to lay the eggs?

This whole argument is like which came first, the chicken or the egg. The economy needs to grow for there to be jobs and wealth to distribute, the dems tax plans will not allow that to happen.

Where will the wealth come from when the "haves" finally are taxed into being a "have not". It is an unsustainable plan.

No country should be happy to "share the pie", as soon the pie will be eaten. We need to be baking more pies instead.

Also, too early to tell what the bailout will do, we need to wait on that one. It is not an overnight fix. But, the market hasn't totally collapsed yet, so did it keep that from occurring?
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 19:09:29
#85
Excuse me!! I can deny that and definetly do deny it. Maybe you need to do a little more research. Clintons' policies caused the recession in 2000/2001, which Bush had to clean up. And without Clinton's relaxing of the sub-prime loan standards, there is a very real chance we wouldn't be in this mess today. And the dems in control of Congress certainly have done nothing to stop the recession. I think you listen to the media too much instead of actually researching the situation.
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Pelon,

NM 01/11/2008 19:27:30
Mr. Southern Gent...

As regards "uninformed", my point lies with eight years of republican administration supported by the first six years of a republican dominated congress.

For example, if I propose a well-named, seemingly well-intentioned and marketably titled piece of legislation supported publicly by "my team", no matter how void of content, or burdened by ill-developed plans for implementation, and see that it becomes shot down in voting, would you expect me to say "Alright, good work, glad you didn't pass that loser." Of course they'll drop vacant legislation onto the floor, it is the modus operandi.

And yes, both sides of the aisle are tarnished. One side is guilty while behind the wheel for steering wrongly, and the other is guilty while at the brake and accelerator, for using the absolute wrong pedal, at the absolutely worst times.

We allowed ourselves to believe deregulation was a good thing. For pete's sake even Greenspan admits he thought wrong. The last eight years presented an opportunity to fix it, it wasn't, and our economy - the world's economy - worsened for the inaction.

This debate can return to the argument posited initially by Mr. Holland, @ #30, that the GOP doesn't want the office now. Why would they? They've bankrupted it. They've assured they will lose the presidency by selecting McCain as their candidate, and McCAin confirmed the party direction by picking Palin out of the woods, er.. hinterlands? swamps? where? to take his place when he expires. That would be assured, wouldn't it? Do you seriously believe she is fit for the office? The've bankrupted the seat. How could the electorate believe the GOP would make a silk purse from the sow's ear after that (read as much as you want into that re. lipstick, etc., although yes, small, and cruel)!

All we have left is to use common sense. And don't look now, but the whole world really is watching.

If we eff this up we'll be road- kill.

And what is the nation
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Pelon,

nm 01/11/2008 19:36:22
... And what is the current national budget deficit?

$10,530,893,033,778.21.

Hey, mister, do you have any change you could spare?
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 19:51:57
92
So I prove your post incorrect, and its garbage. Interesting.

Yes, the sub-prime played a large part in the "boom" years, but that doesn't mean the economy would have suffered without them. No boom, no bust. Steady economy, no bust.

We don't know what the economy would have done without the sub-prime, but odds are it would have remained constant. We definetly DO know where it is WITH the sub-primes.

Does that stuff about denial make you feel better about yourself? Your facts are bogus.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 19:58:31
#89
I'm an independent, looking at the issue from the middle. Just so you know.

Did the republicans increase spending- absolutely.
Do I agree - absotlutely not.

Have the deomocrats increased spending when they where in the WH - absolutely.

Is McCain aligned with the right side of the GOP - no.

Obama with the left side of DNC - yes.

Did regulation work - no.

Did de-regulation work - no.

Need something in the middle - yes.

Do you think we will get any where near the middle with DNC controlling WH and Congress - no.

All we do is drive from one ditch to the other, oversteering all the time. Time for a strong third party to lay waste to the partisan politics.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 20:01:18
#95
"Bush inhereted a much better economy than he is leaving "

He inherited an economy headed into recession, which happens to be where we are headed now. Explain to me how that is "better".
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 20:03:22
As far as the deficit, you guys are posting one number. I can pull any number off a balance sheet or income statement and make it fit my agenda as well, so lets not go there.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 20:23:19
101 and 102

You can't look at one number and judge anything. What are the other numbers that go with it? Its all a matter of perspective. Ratios are more important than any one number, one number tells you nothing.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 20:25:54
How in the world can facts be propoganda? Look it up where ever you want, there was a recession, and it wasn't "made up" by anybody.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 20:32:51
#100
Yes, and your country's growth has been nothing to write home about (take out the housing bubble and where do you stand?).

My point is, if all of society decides to "let someone else do the work" because its easier to do nothing because one will get a check anyway. At some point, there will be no one to tax. Socialism breeds laziness. There is no incentive to work harder when the guy next to you gets the same and does nothing.

It is an unsustainable system.

Why do you think Ireland has been doing so well? Low taxes. Why do you think they voted not to adopt the EU?
Taxes.

Economies don't grow without "food", taxes kill economies.
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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 20:38:43
Your going in circles - have a good day.
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Pelon,

NM 01/11/2008 20:46:47
#96 SG... (and for #95 sm)

I appreciate your perspective, I do. Do I think a third party will be viable in my... children's lifetime? Possibly.

But, your belly-button can look like it's on someone's left side when the position you're coming from is so far right you can't count the fingers being held up by their right hand (more than one, please).

We've moved mightily to the right in the WH, and Obama's support is reflective of it.

The number I provided comes from our gummint, at this site: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np.

You can pull up numbers recorded back to 1993 using the calculator - fill in all fields.

The debt in the first month of 2001 appears to have averaged about $5,720,000,000,000.00, give or take a few tens of billions.
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AK Woman,

London 01/11/2008 21:04:29
PNA Publishing just released a new hardback this month, “Sarah takes on Big Oil.
A fact-based book about Gov. Sarah Palin’s stormy relationship with Alaska’s ‘Big 3’ oil producers, “Sarah takes on Big Oil” was written by Kay Cashman and Kristen Nelson, the longtime editors of Petroleum News, an Anchorage-based weekly newspaper and the state’s only standalone oil and gas publication.
As people seek to learn more about Alaska’s first woman governor, a recurring question emerges: How did she meet the challenge of balancing the interests of the people of Alaska against those of the state’s major oil and gas companies?
Cashman and Nelson are the ideal team to deliver a three-dimensional portrait of the Palin administration and the unusual circumstances that have bracketed her leadership. Over and over, the authors are asked if they wrote the book on behalf of Palin.
“We wrote the book because it was timely and interesting. Our newspaper doesn’t publish editorials, much less advocate for particular candidates,” Cashman said. “And the book is owned by the same company. We presented the Big 3 oil producers side of the story in the book, as well as that of the Palin administration.
This is a solid read. You’ll not only learn a lot about Palin’s qualifications, you’ll learn a lot about the oil industry and how it operates.
For book excerpts visit: http://www.sarahtakesonbigoil.com

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SouthernGent,

01/11/2008 21:53:41
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To clarify, I am referring to corporate taxes in Ireland. And corporate taxes kill economies and jobs. And the end user pays corporate taxes with higher prices and lost jobs.
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jarmon,

houston 01/11/2008 22:00:49
Unfortunately obama will win,he already has enough electoral votes.The problem with obama is he,and many of his supporters are not old time liberals.They are radical leftists.Old time liberals would say for example,"i may disagree with you,but i'll defend to the death your right to say your views".Some of his supporters would cut the throat of anyone who disagrees with them.The everyday american is already faced with the crumbling of privacy rights.It will be worse under obama and the democrats.No wonder gun sales in texas have skyrocketed in antipation of obama's victory.The government will only get my gun when they pry it out of my cold dead hand.
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Wally,

by the rivers of babylon (USA) 01/11/2008 22:12:44
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

here's the latest electoral college projection & break-down by state.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 01/11/2008 22:21:23
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/31/copy/GOTV_DEM.ART_ART_10-31-08_A1_RRBOJUQ.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

here's a link to an article about a large army of obama volunteers canvassing Ohio, a battleground state. How can mccain be gaining in polls as have happened slightly the last 3 days? what has happened to cause that? the obama campaign is very strong on tv & by canvassing in all the battleground states. the mccain campaign has much fewer resources to spend now than obama.

Obama will win if the CIA lets him.
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Yane,

01/11/2008 22:40:34
#30 I've heard the theory before but only in regard to an Aust. political party. I understand that they (the GOP) seem so awful (to some) they must want to fail but, somehow, I just can't believe these guys operate this way. But — hey — if it all goes belly-up & it sure looks like it will — they can always say — "I meant to do that!"
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 01/11/2008 23:29:34
Arnold Schwartzenegger is a white supremacist.

I suppose those disgusting remarks made by him against senator Obama were to be expected as he hails from the birthplace of Adolf Hitler.

The crazy thing is that there are people in the US who vote for these clowns.

Maybe McCain still has a chance. One never knows how an entire population can be swayed on how to vote by an ageing film star with an even lower IQ than George W. Bush.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 01/11/2008 23:42:05
Every American family should have the right to own a shoulder fired, thermo-nuclear missile launcher.
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sandy,

02/11/2008 00:49:55
#108 sm 7531/2

http://www.econstats.com/rt_treas.htm

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/hist.pdf


Myths about budget deficits and budgets:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/budget/bg2178.cfm
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sandy,

02/11/2008 01:00:03
#124 Wally

The CIA has nothing to do with it Wally...

The winner will have had a huge turnout and to date it appears the young(early voting)dems are not turning out as was predicted...

We will know, hopefully, late Nov 4th..:o)

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sandy,

02/11/2008 01:12:17
#121 jarmon,houston

Fortunately Obama has nary a one electoral votes, neither has McCain 'til Nov 4th...

All estimates-predictions, by media bean counters..

Terrific post, jarmon...

btw, guns are also being purchased in record numbers in Florida...
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sandy,

02/11/2008 01:39:52
#125 Yane-hi!

If we(GOP)go 'belly up', it will not be due to the dems or independents; it will be due to conservatives ousting republicans..(referring to congress)

Republicans for years have bought into the democrat line of reaching a middle ground that ultimately implied repubs must move to the center. They did, yet dems stayed their liberal course and now there is no difference between the two...

Sadly we have a candidate of that ilk that i have no choice but to vote for because an Obama presidency terrifies the beejeezes out of me...

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Carolyn 1,

02/11/2008 01:58:38
This video scared the beezeezes out of me.

I just emptied my mail, and this was sent by Family Research Council - I wonder how many people clinging to their guns and religion in Pennsylvania got it today.
Hopefully every evangelical will vote Republican, all 25 million of them according to this. And, Come Wednesday we may find ourselves smiling, 'God' is a Republican:)


http://97.74.65.228/index.php
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Carolyn 1,

02/11/2008 02:07:21
Somewhere around 3 minutes 10 seconds even I got to crying. I think Virginian will agree with me on that, seeing how our families were founding families of this country and we're so proud of that.
- it's 60 million evangelicals, not 25 million. That's a lot of people going to vote on Tuesday - a group we haven't heard about in polling, but may decide the presidency
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Rob Bennett,

Perth WA In Transit 02/11/2008 02:15:38
The republican supporters are as guilty as Bush and Cheney for war crimes against the people of Iraq

Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians murdered by the US government and their meat-head marines who are devoid of any independent thought

Maybe one day when the US have gone down the drain the Iraqis will reciprocate, an eye for an eye, why not?

The warmonger republicans demise is nigh
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Rob Bennett,

Perth WA In Transit 02/11/2008 02:20:53
President Barack Obama is on his way to the White House and will no doubt be there for 8 years

How good is that???

Yippy-Ki-Yay Barack Obama is on his way

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Yane,

02/11/2008 02:41:32
#131 Sandy — I thonk that's Bruce's theory — that the Republicans are shooting themselves in the foot.
#135 Yippy-Ki-Yay? — who the hell says that in Oz?:-)))
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Rob Bennett,

Perth WA In Transit 02/11/2008 03:02:57
#136 Yane Yippy-Ki-Yay? — "who the hell says that in Oz?"

Absolutely no one, but who cares, gotta rub these lowlife scumbag republican noses in the dirt

Good riddance you republican losers
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Postmark-55,

China, 02/11/2008 03:17:32
#132 Carolyn 1,
So Carolyn why is it that all of your money has "in God we trust" printed on it but you have the world's largest military with the most advanced weapons including a huge arsenal of weapons of mass destruction?
Is it because God is a Republican?
And is it that this God is no good and can't be trusted so you have to arm your military and indeed your citizens to the teeth?
Which God is it that you trust in?
Maybe it's Allah eh?
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Postmark-55,

China, 02/11/2008 07:01:11
#133 Carolyn 1,
Carolyn 1 and Virginian crying about some religious tape, yeah right. Bloody recknecks who don't know suffering and never have been the victims of racial attacks. Nice try though Carolyn. Just remember the suffering your forefathers caused the blacks that were brought there to slave on your plantations, they're the ones you need to be shedding tears for.
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Carolyn 1,

02/11/2008 13:42:05
The raising of the flag at Iwo Jima is a symbol of everything that is good about the heart and soul of the Greatest Generation.
Does it make me cry, still,?
Yes.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/index.html

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Leftie,

UK 02/11/2008 15:42:47
"Palin falls prey to Canadian pranksters"

How stupid is this woman???

"I just love killing those animals. Hmm-hmm. Take away a life, that is so fun. I'd really like to go, as long as we don't bring Vice-President Cheney," Audette said, alluding to an incident in which Dick Cheney shot a fellow hunter by accident.
"No, I'll be a careful shot," Palin responded with a laugh.

What a dumb stupid fool
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Cutty Sark.,

The polygraph room/The Kirkyard 02/11/2008 15:49:43
#143 Leftie

Are you a vegatarian?
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Leftie,

UK 02/11/2008 15:52:01
Palin the absolute idiot strikes again

"Palin didn't object as the conversation skewed toward the absurd, including the radio host claiming his "wife," songstress and ex-model Carla Bruni, had written a song about Palin, and then singing a line for her."

"The prankster responded by complimenting Palin on a notorious Hustler porn film, Nailin' Paylin, which he said was a documentary of her life."

"Oh good, thank you," Palin said.

"Still, Trudel said in a telephone interview Saturday they didn't believe they could actually pull off such a stunt on the woman running to be vice-president of the United States."
Trudel said he couldn't believe how long Palin seemed to go along with the prank.

"She never, never suspected anything," Trudel said. "It was a little bit frightening."

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=7bc2eba9-4d08-4b58-830d-a43b97da5cd8

HOW CAN ANYONE BE THAT STUPID????
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Leftie,

02/11/2008 15:54:47
@144
Cutty Sark
"Are you a vegatarian?"

You can eat her if you like, she's all yours
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Leftie,

UK 02/11/2008 15:54:55
@144
Cutty Sark
"Are you a vegatarian?"

You can eat her if you like, she's all yours
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Taz,

The Land of the Free. 02/11/2008 19:33:15
4 Scullion,Canada 01/11/2008 01:23:40

The world needs Obama; please give him to us.
.............................................

If he wins, you get him automatically. We OWN Canada.
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Taz,

The land of the Free. 02/11/2008 19:35:49
9 sandy,USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 01/11/2008 02:41:15
Guga ll

You have a delicious sense of humor and I'm not offended by being called a redneck:)

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html

TAZ <--------- Proud to be an educated redneck.
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Domingo Tavella,

San Francisco 02/11/2008 19:36:20
Palin did not realize she was being object of joke even as the prankster gave her ample opportunity by steering the conversation increasingly into absurdity.

Finally, the prankster gave up and told her, to her surprise, that she had been had.

Why is this important to everybody on this planet? It is important because this woman of limited common sense and even more limited intelligence has a reasonable probability of having her little fingers on the nuclear button. That is why.

White Americans are not distracted by this. To most of them the color of her skin and her phone line with God override everything else. The world at large, however, should be worried, very worried.
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Taz,

The Land of the Free. 02/11/2008 19:49:25
What part of

" The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

is it that you foreigners don't understand?
Don't even try. As ya'al don't live in a free country you will never get a handle on it. Let your betters in London keep you straight.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 02/11/2008 20:53:42
Sandy in 129:

An Arkansas state police officer testified under oath that he was at a meeting at Mena, Arkansas in 1992 where bill clinton was present. A CIA official entered the meeting (according to the officer's testimony) and told Bill clinton that if he did not stop taking more than the agreed upon amount of money from the cocaine smuggling operations in Mena that the CIA would not continue to favor him for election as president in 1992. He told Clinton directly that the CIA was capable of taking their favor from him and causing someone else to win.

Also, Ronald Reagan told stories as well about how it could be arranged for any popular candidate to be either destroyed or held up depending on the instructions that are given to the mass media. Reagan said that he selected GHW Bush to be his vice president in order to avoid a promised threat that the mass media would destroy his reputation if he did not select bush as the vp.

now Sandy, if you think the police officer who testified as to what he saw and heard at the meeting in Mena in 1992 is lying, then why don't you sue him? Why don't you campaign for perjury charges to be brought against the police officer if you really believe what you said?
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sandy,

USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 02/11/2008 20:57:32
#151 Taz, The Land of the Free

DITTOs from the "Limbaugh Institute" :o)
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sandy,

USA Land of the free, Home of the brave 02/11/2008 21:03:00
#154 Wally

Re; #129:

'The CIA has nothing to do with it Wally...'


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02/11/2008 22:22:02
@149

The country was founded on Christian values: get over it. It's historic fact.

The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights is the fundamental core identity of being an American. Without it we would be English.

The belief in tolerance for any religion, is one of unequivocal differences between an American and being English, through the vehicle of the Constitution Americans are guaranteed the highest freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
Ironic, is it not, that Jefferson who wrote the constitution, didn't believe in religion but gave us freedom to believe as we wished.

John Quincy Adams (July 4, 1821) 2nd President after serving as VP
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."


propaganda >noun information...
-ORIGIN from Latin congregatio de propaganda fide 'congregation for propagation of the faith

Yes, by that definition the video is 'propaganda.'
But to assert that the 'propaganda' debases a non-religious person as unpatriotic is ridiculous and without foundation.
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02/11/2008 22:26:53
@140 Cutty Sark

You mean religions like this:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Somalia-Gang-Raped-Girl-Stoned-To-Death-After-Islamic-Militia-Accuse-Her-Of-Adultery/Article/200811115140103?f=rss

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Somalia-Woman-23-Stoned-To-Death-For-Adultery-Guards-Kill-Child-As-Kismayu-Crowd-Rush-Forward/Article/200810415130630?f=rss
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somerferg,

perth 02/11/2008 22:57:43

This morning media says 51% Obama 49% McCain - not much eh !!
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02/11/2008 23:00:21
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Of course they do.
But you're too bigoted, godless and gutless unfortunately to realize it.

A quote about Christians helping in a humanitarian crisis:
"First ones in, last ones out."


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Point Piper Australia 03/11/2008 01:05:29
Well, not long to go now before the new Obama government takes control of the US. What a day of celebration that will be.

All these republic rednecks, relegated to the scrapheap where they belong

Even the virginian has given up hope

The final nail is soon to be hammered into McCain's coffin

How good is that you republican losers?
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