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Published Date: 23 October 2008
A NEW poll has found John McCain and Barack Obama running nearly dead-even less than two weeks before the presidential election.
The poll results found Mr Obama at 44 per cent to 43 per cent for Mr McCain, a possible indication that conservative voters were drifting back to the Republican candidate.

The same poll three weeks ago found that Mr Obama had surged to a seven-poi
nt lead, lifted by Americans' anxiety over the slumping US economy – the top issue gripping voters in the 2008 race for the White House.

With the contest still volatile, the new head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls.

Mr Obama and Mr McCain were essentially tied among likely voters in the latest George Washington University Battleground Poll.

In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Mr Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll had the margin at 11 points and a survey by the nonpartisan Pew Research Centre had Mr Obama leading by 14.

State-by-state polling shows Mr Obama within a few electors of the 270 need to win. The nationwide popular vote does not count for victory in the US system, that depends instead on the electoral college, with members apportioned according to state population.

Mr McCain has been pounding the Obama tax plan, which proposes a reversal of President George Bush's tax cuts that mainly benefited the wealthy. The additional revenue, Mr Obama contends, would offset tax breaks he wants to give to the 95 per cent of Americans who make less than 250,000 US dollars annually.

"Apparently, as my opponent sees it, there's a strict limit to your earnings as well, and it's for the politicians to decide. The proper amount of wealth is not what you can earn, but what government will let you keep," Mr McCain told supporters in New Hampshire, a traditionally anti-tax state he hopes to woo to his side.

Mr McCain was joined by his running mate Sarah Palin at a rally later in the battleground state of Ohio, where the Alaska governor derided Mr Obama as "Barack the Wealth Spreader" and said: "You have to really listen to our opponent's words, because he's hiding his real agenda of redistributing your hard-earned money."

Mr Obama was quick to respond that Mr McCain had voted against the Bush tax cuts before shifting to support during the campaign.

"Was John McCain a socialist back in 2000 when he opposed President Bush's proposals?" Mr Obama asked at a news conference.

"It's not a very plausible argument," he said.



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1

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 23/10/2008 16:25:57
well, well, well, It is also possible people are waking up to reality.. they don't want socialism.
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23/10/2008 16:56:45
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23/10/2008 17:00:38
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Denyse,

USA 23/10/2008 17:09:10
Isn't Medicare and Social Security Socialism. I don't imagine half the people screaming "Socialist" know what it means. What does it mean to you ? It does have IST on the end so it goes nicely with the Terrorist as a catchy scream word. Be honest now - does the Conservative plank thrill you?
Dr. James Dobson today asked Gov. Sarah Palin about her private conversations with Sen. McCain about the Republican platform's planks on life and marriage.
"In your private conversations with Senator McCain is it your impression that he also strongly supports those views? I know that he did not oppose that platform when it was written. Do you think he will implement it?"
Good question. A lot of social conservatives worry about this.
Governor Palin responded: "I do, from the bottom of my heart. I am such a strong believer that McCain believes in those strong planks and we do have good conversations about some of the details too, about the different planks and what they represent."
The 2008 GOP platform is a bit more conservative than it was in 2004. If McCain is going to implement it - something of which Palin is convinced from the bottom of her heart - then that means that McCain will support a constitutional amendment to ban all abortion (including those cases where the mother was raped or was the victim of incest), a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and he will oppose government-sponsored embryonic stem cell research.
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merrie16,

U.S.A 23/10/2008 17:26:13
Denyse, Obama wants to create a welfare state and a system of accomodation for all the Obamabots that don't want to work, and think it'll be just GREAT to get a check full of money taken from taxpayers. That's socialism.
Sarah, I don't really care if countries that already lean to the left, several of which have severe economic problems due to this left leaning, *love* the candidate who will put us on their level. This is an election in the UNITED STATES, to be decided by AMERICANS. Obama is NOT the guy that will do anything for the good of the world or for the good of the U.S.
Socialist countries FAIL.
Wake up Obamabots.
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The Master,

23/10/2008 17:27:21
This battleground poll is instructive because the result basically hinges on Florida, Ohio and Virginia (all of McCain must win if he is to have any real chance at all). If there were any indication that Obama was pulling away in these states, then it would be all over bar the shouting.

As regards Palin, I think the poll reflects the fact that she's not a liability at all. I would venture that, as a Governor (albeit for a short period of time), she has more impressive experience than Obama himself, whose principal achievement to date (aside of course from serving as a Senator) is in running for President.
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Lanna,

23/10/2008 17:33:44
#3 ex-bro
Could it be that the world sees Obama as a potentially weak President, and therefore an easily manipulated lackey?

#4 Denyse,
Those programs are socialistic, but ideally they are paid into by the workers, for the workers. The problem comes when people who've not paid into the system use it, such as when immigrants who sponsor over their elderly parents who've not payed a dime into it. Not to mention illegals using the MediCal system.

Family Leave Act, and State Disability...good programs, again benefits the worker...the key word is Worker as in someone who Works, not some third generation knacker on WIC, HUD Housing, and Welfare who has no idea what work is.
And, I'm not talking about someone who wants to work but isn't able to find it; that's welfare for a good use and hopefully only temporary assistance.

Social programmes have their place to help the working poor, the aged and the disabled/temp disabled. True Socialism punishes those who would work hard to benefit themselves; yet, Capitalism needs to retain a conscious so the workers are not driven back to the 16hr days, labour for pennies workhouses...where's Teddy Roosevelt when you need him?
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 23/10/2008 17:46:48
Lynne at 1

".....they don't want socialism."

Lynne;

Socialism: "An "economic, social and political doctrine which expresses the struggle for the equal distribution of wealth by eliminating private property and the exploitative ruling class. .."

Are you honestly suggesting that Socialism is even on the menu for the people of the USA,never mind it being on the Dems' agenda?
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Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 23/10/2008 17:51:06
#5

"Socialist countries FAIL. "

All countries fail at something. Ours fails at growing mangos. Yours fails at finding Bin Laden. Could you be more specific?

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 23/10/2008 18:23:42
Finnking... announced today... Obama has changed his economic plan yet again!!! Surprise!!!! Those who are not working will not get a "welfare" check!!
Amazing!!!!!!! He has heard the Americans are not happy with his redistribution plan, and has AGAIN changed with the way the wind blows..
LOOK IT UP.. No checks going to NON-WORKING AMERICANS.
Can we believe him? I say no.... he's changed his CHANGE too many times.!!!
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Lanna,

23/10/2008 18:34:23
#8 Finnking,
well, one could say certain aspects would be slowly put into place. Much like putting a frog into a pot of cool water, and slowly turning up the heat; he's thinking he's getting a day at the spa, then suddenly his goose is cooked...
How have you been these days? Too bad Condi isn't running for VP. :)

#9Selgovae,
Sounds like we're failing at maintaining our hard earned Republic and its American Dream of hard work will get you somewhere regardless of your birth station. Does this mean that immigration will slow down?
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Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 23/10/2008 18:53:09
#11 Lanna

"Sounds like we're failing at maintaining our hard earned Republic and its American Dream of hard work will get you somewhere regardless of your birth station."

I see nothing in Obama's proposals that do more than restore situations that have prevailed in the past. Are you saying the USA has lived through socialist periods before. It doesn't seem to have harmed it. Is it not McCain who is the radical by maintaining recently given tax breaks for the rich and telling folks "We want you to get wealthy."? This is unchartered territory and seems un-American to me. From where I sit, Obama doesn't look inspiring, but McCain looks positively dangerous.


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Finnking,

Lempäälä 23/10/2008 18:55:10
Lynne

"Americans are not happy with his redistribution plan"

You will find that the "redistribution plan" of the GOP in recent days (700bn and counting) was not particularly wanted by the masses. Mainly because it redistributed upwards.

Lanna

I'm fine, just very busy the now and not on-line much, thanks for asking. You?

"Boiling a frog": Well, what's the current situation? MASSIVE debt, high unemployment, printing money, MASSIVE farm subsidies, most of the fortune 100 having been bailed out by the tax payer at some point, MASSIVE prison population, rigged elections, war mongering terrorist 'leaders', truly unbelievable farm subsidies, infant mortality on par with India, humungous gun crime rate etc etc etc.......Well, if that's "capitalism" (it's not) you can keep it.

Imagine giving "welfare" to people who need it!Gosh! No, i'll stay in Europe and fight against that type of "capitalism", thank you. 5 weeks off a year, 12-18 month maternity leave and decent paternity leave, greater life expectancy, free eduction and health from cradle to grave.....it's no where near as "socialist" as the USA currently is but I think I'll just stay here!

Obama will do what Clinton did when in power: carry out the wishes of wealth/industry. That said, the best way to rectify the situation would be to pull out all the 500+ military bases (esp the Chagos Islands) and stop bombing folk for 8 years. The money saved could be invested in building new homes, rejuvenating the building and material industry while creating homes for the homeless and damping down the housing "market/racket". Hey, pay the teachers more and reduce class sizes and also ensure that all US citizens have what teh ROTW take for granted: a decent health care system. Imagine! Educated and healthy people!

Not going to happen in the US, I'm afraid. Another revolution is required and Obama's no revolutionary.
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Churchill W.,

23/10/2008 19:16:26
What poll is this? The same poll that shows Alec Salmond winning the next UK General Election as PM?
The Scotsman is reverting to its usual support of right wing parties. The majority of US polls do not show Obama and McCain neck and neck. The Scotsman will not admit that, however.
The Scotsman is not a Labour supporting newspaper as many right wing observers here purport, but, is a supporter of very right wing parties, including The Scottish Nationalist Party.
Keep reading the Scotsman and its right wing proclivities will become clear.
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Churchill W.,

23/10/2008 19:20:24
Churchill W # 14

Correction, SNP is the Scottish National Party.
There other extensions of the acronym that are more appropriate, to be be kept for other times!
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Selgovae,

23/10/2008 19:25:06
#4 Denyse

"that means that McCain will support a constitutional amendment to ban all abortion (including those cases where the mother was raped or was the victim of incest), a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and he will oppose government-sponsored embryonic stem cell research. "

Is there any possibility of this? I'm genuinely interested.
17

American,

23/10/2008 19:42:47
#3-sarah-"Rest of world prefers Obama over McCain for US president"-Well then let him run for their president instead of ours!!
18

Churchill W.,

23/10/2008 19:53:11
Selgovae # 16

There are bigger issues at stake in this election than abortion in the USA.
If John McCain is elected there will be a world war within a year. The man is a loose cannon determined to make a bigger name for himself than his father and grandfather. McCain is driven by his ego to outrank his forebears who were US Admirals. The reason McCain did not become a US Admiral is because he is too stupid and impetuous and is unfit to be US president because of those character flaws.
Anyone voting for McCain is voting for a general war throughout the world.
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Churchill W.,

23/10/2008 20:00:58
The majority of the world laments the present power of the USA. George Bush has abused that power and has invited terrible and persistent retribution on the USA and its allies because of his excesses and those of his administration.
Every empire falls and the internal contradictions of American capitalism will ensure that America falls too. The very economic system that made America what it is will make sure that it fails...
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23/10/2008 20:05:20
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Lanna,

23/10/2008 20:08:44
Well, I guess I was rather wordy with that one...

mu? that should be much...as I don't think either candidate will change much; well, unless it's to make things worse.
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Lanna,

23/10/2008 20:14:15
#19 Churchill,
"Every empire falls..."

Every empire does fall, usually failing from within, and usually with some increase in moral decay and loss of identity of the core cultural belief system.

"...and the internal contradictions of American capitalism will ensure that America falls too. The very economic system that made America what it is will make sure that it fails..."

Please do expound...
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Churchill W.,

23/10/2008 20:17:10
Lanna # 22

Pay me...
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23/10/2008 20:57:24
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/10/2008 21:22:51
Barry Goldwater's grand-daughter and a bunch of his other offspring are going to vote for Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-goldwater/why-mccain-has-lost-our-v_b_137150.html

anything can happen. because fake polls can be generated as well as fake vote results. Late in the afternoon (in the early evening east coast time) on election day of 2004 one of America's top pollsters, Zogby, issued a press statement saying that the official results in 5 states varied significantly from the exit polls. He said that in each case the difference went for bush in the official results. He said this was a statistical anamoly and that the exit polls should be considered correct. Without explicitly saying the official results were incorrect he implied so.

so anything can happen on election day. but many polls indicate it to be an obama victory of historic proportions. McCain might be defeated as badly as fellow Arizonan barry goldwater in 1964. I believe goldwater won Arizona, Mississippi and possibly 1 other state. even in arizona polls don't show mccain a clear winner at this time.

some people are wondering if it'll be a 3'rd straight election decided by vote fraud of one form or another.
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Lanna,

23/10/2008 21:23:52
#23 W.Churchill,
Surely your wisdom should be free to enlighten those around you, sugah...


Such as something you've already coined, Mr. Churchill,
“I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.”

...although, I've heard that some pigs think of themselves as more equal than others.
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Taz,

The Land of the Free. 23/10/2008 22:12:23
Re: Sarah Pa1in,The White House Here I Come 23/10/2008 17:00:38
Rest of world prefers Obama over McCain for US president: poll http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hFwJvuFfg5hKAALtPghvKcOem_jQ
....................................

What a pity for ya'al Americans can give a rats backside what ya'al would prefer.
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23/10/2008 22:35:39
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Laurette,

Ca USA 23/10/2008 22:58:59
McCain says Obama will 'say anything' to win

Isn't this sort of the pot calling the kettle black?
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SouthernGent,

23/10/2008 23:47:07
#8
"Socialism: "An "economic, social and political doctrine which expresses the struggle for the equal distribution of wealth by eliminating private property and the exploitative ruling class. ..""

Last I checked, personal wealth was private property. (Soon to change?)

#13
"You will find that the "redistribution plan" of the GOP "

All monetary expenditures must go through and be approved by Congress, which is NOT controlled by the GOP. The democrats control congress, and you can plainly see they did nothing to stop it.


As for Obama and socialism, you can count on the government getting much bigger and spending much more. With an Obama victory, we will be unleashing the 2 headed monster - Pelosi/Reed. And if the Dems get 60 seats in the Senate, there will be NO stopping them. Obama will only be a figurehead, as these 2 will implement their radical left wing policies at will. When Pelosi has already made the comment that she will raise corporate taxes so the 12 million illegals in this country will be able to experience an "american" lifestyle, the rule of law means nothing to her. She will create her own and we can all stand by and watch.

Be careful what you wish for, as this crew will make Carter seem like a genius.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/10/2008 23:52:26
Obama may win in McCain's home state.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/election/story.aspx?content_id=a4afbb90-3eb8-4a44-b9a4-276995cb0b47

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Dragonhead,

Dalian, China 24/10/2008 03:15:53
Obama? Confucius (Kongzi) described him perfectly 2,500 years ago. "Qiao Yan Ling Se Xian Yi Ren" which translated means, " Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with true virtue"
"Fine words can be translated as 'sweet words' and 'insinuating ' as 'ingratiating' Sound familiar?
The same description could have fitted Teflon Tony to a tee also,ie All rhetoric and then......Nothing!
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 24/10/2008 03:22:57
#20Lanna, In your last paragraph, you have described the Present Nu-Labour socialist government to perfection! So good ole US of A, do yourselves a favour and look at the healthy state of the UK economy when Blair and his troughers took over and look at their achievements since.De Ja Vu? Just wait and see!
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 03:50:27
#33
Unfortunately, its now pretty much a world economy, so we are all going to feel the pain. Funny how Obama supporters abroad worry about GOP foreign policy harming other countries, yet not so concerned about the dems US economic policies harming other countries. A case could easily be made that the later will be much worse.
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Lanna,

24/10/2008 04:03:31
#34 SouthernGent,
Interesting post there; and, I would say that things have gotten worse since the Dems took over Congress.

#33 Dragonhead,
I shudder!
(the quote is rather appropriate)
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 24/10/2008 04:32:22
Lanna

Looks horrific.Sorry to hear about it. I hope you recover soon.

Quickly: Taxes----look into the tax issue and you will see that European direct taxes are only a few % more than US direct taxes.The key is to look at tax breaks and subsidies. How come subsidising farmers to make too much corn is not 'socialistic' but giving money to the poor and unemployed for food is 'socialistic'. As for creating a generation of lazy people:well, the much praised people on Wall Street do not actually do any real work:they neither heal nor produce.Also, look at how serious wealth uses accountant to get round the tax system. More money leaks out that boat.

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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 04:42:59
"It is crazy for us to think we can develop countries around the world without increasing their ability to feed themselves."

William J. Clinton - Oct, 2008.

Funny how even the last democratic president makes this kind of statement, yet the democratic party still wants to give, give, give vs educate. Enabling is worse than not helping at all.

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24/10/2008 05:05:20
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24/10/2008 05:27:27
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Not a socialist,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 11:22:37
#7 Lana
I think you forget that Obama's tax cuts are aimed at those who earn under $250,000 a year, a sum which people have to work for. Do workers who work to earn $50,000 a year really work less hard than those who earn $300,000? Clearly not. What this policy will do is benefit workers who need a little extra help so that they, in turn, will have a little extra money to spend to boost the flagging economy.
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24/10/2008 12:04:37
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 12:30:12
#40
Your scenario would be great if those people actually were not affected by the tax increases. Problem is, they will be. The dems will also raise other taxes across the board - corporate tax, death tax, investment tax, etc. These taxes will affect even those that may not pay more in income tax.

Its all about the rehtoric vs the record.

Bush 1 and Clinton both SAID they would not raise taxes, but they did. Now you have Obama saying he WILL raise taxes - you actually think he won't renege on how much. His record doesn't lie, take a look at it instead of believing what he says.
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24/10/2008 14:24:18
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 24/10/2008 14:26:35
41 Shaniqua - The military won't decide who wins this election, but feel free to take what crumbs of comfort you can.

"The Military Times offered certain caveats for its poll, which was open only to its 80,000 subscribers. Responses were entirely voluntary and were not focused on a representative sample of the public, as scientific polls are. The troops polled were also somewhat older than average enlisted servicemembers and included more officers than is representative of the military as a whole."
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Lanna,

24/10/2008 17:10:09
#40
Taking from the haves and giving to the have-nots. Idealic in the sense of seeing to the less fortunate esp their children, the elderly and the disabled, those who truly cannot fend for themselves; and, whom society should protect.

However, programs have evolved to create a social class of people who do not want to work, it's encouraged single-motherhood, less stable family dynamics, a cycle of juvenile delinqency and increased incarceration, and a certain overall arrogance in their views on their entitlement.

Good meaning people, with poorly thought out social programs; I'd rather have a say in where my money goes to help.

$250,000 annual US is considered wealthy? I just see the combined salaries of two hard working married persons who've educated themselves, have longtime professional careers with advancement, and have risked investment in the ownership and management of a small side business. Those that make $50,000 do work just as hard, but they are most likely not going to risk investing into the community. Both deserve tax breaks whether it's a small business tax break, or subsidized education/vocational training. It's worth even considering a flat tax, but that idea was shot down.


I'm no fan of the Republicans and their shenanigans, esp with the war, but Obama's "change" does seem tarnished if you get past the glittery image.
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Lanna,

24/10/2008 18:36:30
#36 Finnking,
Thanks, the whole saga has actually helped to redefine a few things in my life.

As far as taxes etc, I only have the info from discussions with ex-pat co-workers, and various blog discussions. You make some valid points there, but to clarify, I don't disagree with the concept of the 'social safety net'; a 'safety hammock'-yes. Corporate perks and the rich finding loopholes, I don't think that's solely an American problem.
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mike - across the pond,

#40... 24/10/2008 19:43:48
HERE is the problem with Obamas plan...

how many $50,000 wage earners does a person who makes $50,000 people hire? ZERO... a $50,000 wage earner struggles to pay the rent, put some vegetables in a pot... buy a 6-pack of beer once a week... none of which is (or should be) taxed at a rate that can pay for the streetlights outside his house...

a $250,000 wage earner may indeed hire a person to maintain his yard, work on his car, not to mention, SPENDING MONIES that are mostly taxed at rates that put streetlights out in front of MANY houses that he/she will NEVER drive down...

ok... now for where the rubber hits the road...
$50,000/yr wage earners make up about 40% of the US workforce... those wage earners pay less than 2% of the taxes paid... and pay an income tax rate of less than 2% or roughly $1,000 per year

$250,000/yr wage earners make up less than 2% of the "workers"... and pay roughly 70% of the taxes collected... their "nominal" tax rate is roughly 35%... meaning THEY pay over $80,000 per year in taxes

Wally could go on for HOURS on "fair tax" schemes, most of which I basically agree with...

but HERE is the point, if OBAMA gets even a good fraction of what he says he wants... and give the $50,000 wage earner a $1500 tax "rebate", THAT wage earner only PAID $1,000... isnt he giving them monies they NEVER PAID? monies that they never earned?

and WHERE is he going to GET that money from? "the rich"???

its all "class warfare"... steal from the rich & give to the poor... aka socialism...
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SouthernGent,

24/10/2008 21:00:29
#45
To expand your post with a few more examples if I may:

An alcoholic will remain an alcoholic if he is continuosly given alcohol. (or drugs, cigarettes, etc)

A poor single mother with babies will continue to have babies if she continues to be paid to have babies. (earned income and child tax credits plus welfare)

A small child will continue to ask for free candy if he/she is continually given free candy. Or allowance, etc.

The concept of "earning" is never taught by "giving" for nothing in return.

All these situations as well as "spreading the wealth" are forms of enabling.

Being an Enabler is NOT a good thing to be.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 25/10/2008 02:52:22
Every tax organization, according to the business channels has said Obama's numbers are wrong, they don't add it, and he is lying. It will never work, and those tax increases will be the country down further into either a deeper recession or a depression. So when he says that 95% of the people will get tax cuts, it is not true. He lied about taking public financing and people can't trust his word.
This is just social engineering.
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White Jamaican,

USA 31/10/2008 17:08:44
It is important when relaying facts about a Presidential Candidate, that you are being accurate.

John McCain opposes abortion EXCEPT in cases of incest or rape.

John McCain is a supporter of Stem Cell research.

Reminder: predominant socialist countries include:
North Korea
China
Venezuela
Russia
ETC.
In all of these countries the middle class has been diminished.

Yes, Welfare and Social Security are a form of socialism...might I remind you that these systems in America are virtually bankrupt (more so to come as baby boomers are retiring).
Once welfare is given, more people want it, why work when you can get money for free? More and more people will go on welfare. Then Obama will change tax from 200,000 (which was 250,000) to, say 100,000, then 50,000, until everyone who works hard is taxed.

Lastly, America already has some of the highest business tax in the world (35-36%), if you tax businesses more, they will still go overseas. Obama's plan is a downward spiral. John McCain doesn't punish business, because he knows that businesses need profit to employ people and to have secure pensions!
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L. Bannerman,

19/07/2009 04:21:33
Rubbish. Obama is way in front and everyone knows it. Get with the facts.

 

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