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With Wendy's house in order, now it's time to act



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Published Date: 09 February 2008
The donations saga appears over and the Scottish Labour leader can focus on leading her embattled party
TELL it not in the streets of the Old Town, whisper it not along the corridors of Holyrood, but, after a careful reading of yesterday's headlines, I think there may at last be a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel for me, and for thousands like
me – that is, for the silent army of Scots who have been paralysed with boredom by the whole saga of Wendy Alexander and her dodgy donations and completely baffled by the ferment of excitement it has caused within Scotland's political and media elite.

It's not, of course, that I hold any brief for the bizarre New Labour approach to political funding; the one where you use any excuse – a failed deputy leadership bid at Westminster, or a non-contest for the doubtful privilege of leading the party at Holyrood – to strengthen your dubious links with that strange class of fat cats who, unlike 90 per cent of British people, can afford to write you a cheque for £1,000 without thinking much about it.

It's just that the whole Wendy affair is so obviously a minor symptom, rather than a disease in itself – a tiny tartan pimple, as it were, on the now-raddled body of New Labour politics – that I find the acres of coverage it has attracted more worrying than interesting. For the truth is that Labour's recent funding woes reflect two major structural problems in current British politics, which deserve much more serious analysis. One concerns the collapse of individual grass-roots party membership as a viable and sufficient source of funding, and the other concerns the consequent tendency for mainstream political parties simply to sell themselves to the highest bidders, with dramatic negative consequences for the range of real political choice they are able to offer to voters.

For New Labour, in particular, this sell-out to wealth – the hobnobbing with plutocrats, the lists of donors from the ranks of the tax-sensitive and barely domiciled – has represented a major betrayal of its political roots, ideological, cultural and historical. The Blairites, in their weird parallel universe, may have managed to persuade themselves that there was no contradiction between schmoozing the plutocratic few and delivering better lives for the many.

But the Brownites know in their hearts that this is tosh; that part of the job of government is to stay clear of powerful vested interests and to stand up to them on behalf of ordinary people. And it's on the sharp, painful knowledge of this contradiction and betrayal, buried deep in New Labour's gut, that the party is now gradually bleeding to death and losing all appearance of coherence, decisiveness, or principle.

And these are the issues, around the long decline of the Labour Party, that people who are serious about the future of Scottish and British politics should be discussing, rather than the personal fate of a politician whom no-one actually suspects of personal corruption. If Wendy Alexander were half as brainy as some of her supporters suggest, for example (and I did once hear some brilliant satirical songsters suggest that "although her brain is planet-sized, it's just not planet Earth"), she would be addressing those profound issues of the party's future herself, with or without the say-so of her glowering overlord in Downing Street. She would, for example, put the current ill-timed plan for a Constitutional Commission of Unionist parties on the back burner, since Scotland is about to find out just how well it can do out of the present constitutional settlement under a confident Nationalist government.

Then – as discussed recently by Bill Gates at Davos and Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail – she would begin to develop a new vision of the balance of power between markets and the state, drawing on the deep tradition of Scottish thought in this area to help to restore the prestige and independence of state institutions and the public realm, while setting clear limits to state power. Secondly, she would address the question of global governance to match global challenges and start to tell the grown-up truth about how national and regional governments really fit into the pattern of 21st-century power. And thirdly, she would begin to develop a 21st-century model of government which truly bases its performance not on the promotion of outdated forms of economic growth, but on a completely different battery of concerns to do with sustainability, conviviality, opportunity and freedom.

Conventional media wisdom has it, of course, that all of that would be boring to the public, compared with the Big-Brother-House game of "voting out" individual politicians, as if their resignation somehow solved the problem. But in the end, there is no pleasure or interest in striking down politicians who never mattered in the first place, so little do they represent any recognisable ideology or programme.

Now, Wendy Alexander has a brief, slim chance to seize her moment in opposition and to begin to make herself into a politician who matters, for the long-term future of social democracy. But to do that she will have to work with new allies and in a 30-year time frame that does not come easily to any politician. And she will have, above all, to leave the Blair-Brown years behind, without a look over her shoulder towards Downing Street, or a single backward glance.





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1

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 00:07:00
I see the words Scotsman newspaper and objectivity will soon be defined within the English dictionary as being complete opposites.
2

AJ Fife,

09/02/2008 00:15:16
Wee wendy is a class act, but if she has to go, can we have that Curran fishwife or how about the portly Foulkes character?

Either could easily keep the labour bandwagon plummeting into the abyss!
3

Jim Rockford,

09/02/2008 00:21:55
Enjoy the school holidays. I know I will.
4

BIG EYE,

Paisley 09/02/2008 00:23:38
Is the Labour leader going to dare to lead the Party on an intentional basis or is she going to continue to to lead on the winning formula of not having a clue what is going on?

At least this way she can be confident of being able to claim unintentional wrongdoing when the Labour Party hits the buffers!

Oh dear....too late!
5

Hut Hut Hut, Hoi Hoi Hoi,

Malta 09/02/2008 00:31:34
Let me lose in Wendy's house and i will soon have it in order, just ask Janis!
6

Hut Hut Hut, Hoi Hoi Hoi,

09/02/2008 00:32:10
4 Hut hut
7

AJ Fife,

09/02/2008 00:33:28
"Defence is the best form of attack"

Fantastic stuff and she promises more!
8

Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 00:33:43
A truly incompetent women, long may her reign continue...
9

AJ Fife,

09/02/2008 00:35:11
Do rabid monkeys keep houses in order?
10

Hut Hut Hut, Hoi Hoi Hoi,

09/02/2008 00:35:46
9 lol, nice one..hut hut
11

Jimmy the Pie,

09/02/2008 00:43:27
It'll be good to watch FMQ's with Wendy back in attack mode. You-Tube should get a few good postings. Alex must be rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect. Bairns and sweeties spring to mind.
12

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09/02/2008 00:48:41
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13

Kipling,

09/02/2008 00:55:36
The Wendy House: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_house.
This only existed in Neverland.
14

Senga Jean,

09/02/2008 00:57:17
WHATEVER as my teenage daughter used to say before she grew up. Wendy would be so much nicer if she showed CONTRITION and not as if she was pure as the driven snow.
15

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09/02/2008 00:57:55
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16

Jimmy the Pie,

09/02/2008 00:59:40
Looks like the drivel has started again

Night all
17

Juan Kerr :-) ,

Independent Scotland 09/02/2008 01:07:56
"With Wendy's house in order, now it's time to act"

Nice to know the Scotsman approves of illegal activity and is only interested in pushing the best headline forward for windy.

A scandalous bunch of memo reworders purporting to be journalists.

When the hootsmon goes bust I hope they look back at their time here and wish they had done better. I can just see the face of the guy interviewing Eddie Barnes. "So, Son. You want to be a reporter......" , "You worked where....." , "Son. That's not even a newspapaper......" Sorry son, I cannae give you a job. May I reccommend going back to college and learning journalism.......
18

Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 01:08:57
A typical Joyce McMillan article. That is, my eyelids get very very heavy after 2 paragraphs and I'm awakened by my nodding head banging off the keyborad.

I don't think theres a more turgid prose writer in Scottish journalism than our earnest Joyce !
19

The Former Mr. Angry,

09/02/2008 01:15:07
"But the Brownites know in their hearts that this is tosh; that part of the job of government is to stay clear of powerful vested interests and to stand up to them on behalf of ordinary people. And it's on the sharp, painful knowledge of this contradiction and betrayal, buried deep in New Labour's gut, that the party is now gradually bleeding to death and losing all appearance of coherence, decisiveness, or principle."

Joyce McMillan may be bored rigid by this saga but it goes to the real heart of the Labour party from Brown down. The Brownites are as deeply mired in sleaze as the Blairites. Wendy Alexander is not home and free - there is still the other matter referred to the PF and her clear demonstrations of incompetence in Parliament. It won't be so much opposition parties who end her career, but Labour and her own words and actions. She might try a single backward glance to check the number of knives!

20

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09/02/2008 01:20:56
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21

Colin R,

Bearsden 09/02/2008 01:23:01
Joyce,waht poor journalism, just becuase you've been out scoooped by the Herald doesn't mean this is over by along shot- other charges/allegations remain- money laundering is a possibility, parliament standard committe will want to look at Dyer's referral to the Fiscal ( albeit the Fiscal is too busy gunning for Sheridan and taking instruction from Labour cabal of beckett and Davidson )such is the political partiality of the Crown office
22

Richardinho,

09/02/2008 01:28:41
'It's not, of course, that I hold any brief for the bizarre New Labour approach to political funding;'

Oh no, you've just spent your entire media life propping up the Labour party, Joyce!

Any hint that you might be supporting them now is purely co-incidental!
23

Richardinho,

09/02/2008 01:31:16
Agree totally with the person who said Joyce is one of the dullest writers.She has to be one of the wooliest thinkers around.

check this;
'she would begin to develop a 21st-century model of government which truly bases its performance not on the promotion of outdated forms of economic growth, but on a completely different battery of concerns to do with sustainability, conviviality, opportunity
and freedom.'

What on earth is she talking about?!
24

Juan Kerr :-) ,

09/02/2008 01:32:27
Fruitshooter - I heard he was Scottish too. He's playing it tight that boy!

He needs to come out of the closet on both counts.
25

ratzo,

09/02/2008 01:43:28
Don'ttalkaboutWendy. That's notimportant. There is a vast army of Scots who don't want to talk about Wendy.

Talk about. something else. much. more. urgent. Talk about the l o n g d e c l i n e o f t h e [hey!fallingasleephere!] B r i t i s h L a b o u r p a r t y i n

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
26

Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 01:44:10
#23 Richardinho, glad to see I'm not the only one who finds her prose indigestible. Worse than that, I can mentally see and hear her speaking those words in that dour, earnest voice of hers. Gives me the shivers ... (not in a good way)
27

Juan Kerr :-) ,

09/02/2008 01:44:51
#23 - Sh1te?
28

Vivas,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 01:53:26
Can't sleep ? Insomnia ruining your life ?
Look no further...the answer is here !

http://joycemcmillan.wordpress.com/

29

Richardinho,

09/02/2008 01:57:33
Joyce doesn't have any ideas-she just strings lots of words together until she fills up the available space.
30

Juan Kerr :-) ,

09/02/2008 01:58:26
from her website.
"Joyce McMillan is theatre critic of The Scotsman,"


Well now we know! The above is about a pantomime she attended!

31

CowalDude,

Alba 09/02/2008 02:07:44
“ the silent army of Scots who have been paralysed with boredom”

You are so right Joyce:

* We are bored with Britain
* We are bored being tied into monumental foreign policy ineptitude
* We are bored with Unionist incompetence..recall? “a muddle not a fiddle”.
* We are fed up with the irrelevance of Brown's useless and disgusting state…Britain
* We are bored with the waste and posturing of incompetents at Westminster and their quisling fellow-travellers at Holyrood
* We are fed up with a prat of a priest being referred to as “Britain’s” senior cleric
* we are disgusted at the emasculation of the decent people of England who do not have the benefit of their own parliament

Yes we are bored..we are also frighteningly ANGRY and we are not going back…We are taking charge and taking it all back! Get used to it!!!
32

urban poacher,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 03:02:58
She is one of the toynbee socialists who want the rest of us to live in grateful poverty while she and the rest of labour intelligensia (I use the word loosely)live in splendourat our expense. Her writing is awful, turgid, uninteresting and out of touch. Labour is the party of the greedy and the envious. If the editor was any good he would bin this stuff. It is poor and notreal.
33

An Beal Bacht,

09/02/2008 03:14:19
Gie the lassie a chance. She had some worthwhile observations. She recognizes that labour are an anachronism. That they are unprincipled. That their only concern is self aggrandizement. So as Alex would say: 'she's halfway down the road to Damascus!
34

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/02/2008 03:59:12
ON the road to a Damascene conversion you mean?
35

Rex H. McTyeire,

Gaffney SC, USA 09/02/2008 05:15:03
First it was "cleared"..then Wendy stretched that to "vindicated". Next we will see "heroic". Yawn. Its Wonder Wendy, coming soon to a theater near you.
36

ppink,

09/02/2008 05:35:44
This is total drivel - I would rather put myself on the waiting list for Omerammergau that read any of this infantile diarrhea.
37

ppink,

09/02/2008 05:39:06
Oberammergau the Passion Play I meant. Long live Hen Broon 5.
38

steve 1511,

aberdeen 09/02/2008 07:57:51
no one actually believes she is guilty of peronal corruption (wendy),i do,i have yet to speak to any one who belives she is innocent,she admits she broke the law, corruption is rife from top to bottom of the labour party, the stench comming of the labour party is over powering
39

donald,

glasgow 09/02/2008 08:14:04
This coming from a Auld Unionist Labour hack?

Labour has always been corrupt and the day of reckoning is finally approaching
40

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

09/02/2008 08:16:04
Nice to see Henry McLeish re-entering the fray - now he was a class act when it came to fraud!!!!

41

Argyll on line,

Argyll 09/02/2008 08:33:44
Unionista Joycie gets it wrong as ever.
42

Anne,

Eaglesham 09/02/2008 08:36:33
I thought when I read the headline that The Scotsman had discovered irony.

Alas,on reading the article, it appears that it is self-deception that they have gone in for.
43

Mike ...,

Ayrshire 09/02/2008 08:53:15
Extract #1:

... begin to develop a new vision of the balance of power between markets and the state, drawing on the deep tradition of Scottish thought in this area to help to restore the prestige and independence of state institutions and the public realm, while setting clear limits to state power.

You have never been more right, Joyce!

Extract #2:

... Scotland is about to find out just how well it can do out of the present constitutional settlement under a confident Nationalist government.

Once again you have never been more right, Joyce!

Extract #3:

... Wendy Alexander has a brief, slim chance to seize her moment.

Joyce, you just blew it, you have never been more wrong - you know it, and so do many many more!



44

Mikey,

09/02/2008 08:53:27
Problem is Joyce, that only the dwindling band of Labour Parody supporters think it's boring! The rest of the population (the more intelligent part) sees Wendy as an admitted lawbreaker who has not been brought to justice!
45

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/02/2008 08:58:21
The though of Wendy leading Scotland would be enough to start a whole new swathe of Highland clearances as people leave in droves, to be joined by people from the Lowlands.
46

rawhide ,

Glasgow 09/02/2008 09:07:49
Where,s AM2?
47

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 09:12:43
Donald Dewar must be turning in his grave!
48

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 09:26:12
This gem shines in an otherwise unpolished turd of prose.

"For New Labour, in particular, this sell-out to wealth – the hobnobbing with plutocrats, the lists of donors from the ranks of the tax-sensitive and barely domiciled – has represented a major betrayal of its political roots, ideological, cultural and historical."

However, to then go off on an incredibly inarticulate picaresque post modern bus trip citing the philosophy of the biggest fat cat of them all, Mr. B Gates of Davos and Planet MS, and how this might apply to the future governance of Scotland, suggests to this reader, that Ms McMillan has probably been seduced in an obfuscating sapphic tryst by Jackie the Hutt.

49

buccleuch,

Glasgow 09/02/2008 09:34:39
hilarious title!
50

Roy,

09/02/2008 09:36:45
Next it'll Saint Wendy of Whifflet, or the like. (Sorry, Whifflet.)
51

mr angry,

ayrshire 09/02/2008 09:44:44
#48 Donald Dewar was as bad as the current lot. He lied through his teeth about the cost of the new parliament , had all his pals on board , etc.
He also thought Wendy was clever.
52

Media 1,

cape town 09/02/2008 09:46:00
When one considers that Wendy Alexander is probably the most organised, committed and qualified SMP, it makes you wonder how long Scotland can survive without proper leadership! These are without doubt the darkest and most desperate days in the history of Scottish poltics, and those running the show should be ashamed of themselves! Everyday brings a new embarrassment! The latest one from Salmond about resigning and running to the country was by far the most cringeworthy political comment I have heard in many years. As a Scotsman, I had to hang my head in shame at his juvenille response to such serious matters.
53

JayJay,

Right here 09/02/2008 09:51:49
Extract from "Impermissable - A Hero's tale"
Mandy sighed. A life of devotion to the poor, the sick, the needy, the hungry, the dispossed, the lonely cheque looking for a place to rest. Yet there they were, howling at her door.
"Ingrates" she thought. "After all I have done for them".
Her depression was lifted by a phone call from her close friend Jenny.
"Hi Mandy, Jenny here. In a very real sense, I can understand your anger and you have to keep telling yourself that, at the end of the day, it will be night-time."
Wise, wise words thought Mandy.
She had made a habit of surrounding herself with brilliant, attractive people and it was at times like these she saw the wisdom in such a course of action. With intellectual towers like Jenny, Peggy Currant and her soulmate wee Katie Johnson.
The phone rang again. It was her uncle Graham from London.
"Mandy" he growled, adopting his best 'son of the manse' brogue, "you need to pull yourself together. I know it looks bad, but I was at Fife Academy with the judge, and, well, suffice to say there are a few favours I can call in."
"I don't want favours, uncle", she sobbed, throwing her luxurious dark hair off her goddess like face, "what I did was intentionally good. Ok, I broke the law, but the law is really for 'them' out there. Not for me, not for someone who can save the country from despair and misery. Why won't they see that?"
Graham listened intently, his bottom lip quivering at the terrible and totally unfair trauma his beloved niece was having to endure at the hands of the dreadful slabbering press pack.
"Mandy" he said, "its time to go and face them. Yes, they need to write their stories, but we all know the truth. We know that there is a very real difference, in real terms, between a wrongdoing that is deliberate, and a wrongdoing that is unintentional. No reasonable person can dispute that. Let the simple shield of truth be your guide fair maiden".
Another call. Ah, this time it was wee
54

weh,

09/02/2008 09:52:47
WOW-ANTI SCOTS RACISM APLENTY(See "Wendy...not in public interest."

http://www.order-ord
er.com/
55

JayJay,

Right here 09/02/2008 09:53:59
Contd
Ah, this time it was wee Katie. Mandy hoped she would fare better understanding Katie's thick Ayrshire brogue.
"Fk me" bawled wee Katie, the expletive echoing round Mandy's highly expensive and luxurious penthouse, "even that bucking Daily Retard says you are a bucking crook. We are knackered!"
Wendy sighed. Perhaps it was time to phone her dear brother Dirk - he'd know what to do.

To be continued......

PS - note to Ed. Since I can "do a Joyce" can I have a job please?
56

rawhide ,

09/02/2008 09:57:02
Media 1 . Quote
"I had to hang my head in shame at his juvenille response to such serious matters".
What a childish post from a liebour sado.
57

Media 1,

cape town 09/02/2008 10:04:37
#57 rawhide

As a member of the public, I have the right to act in a juvenille manner in terms of my politics. However, when you have made a conscious decision to pursue a career in politics, you relinquish the right to behave in any manner other than professional! He acted in a manner that shamed Scotland and its people. And it wont be the last time, all Salmond has, is a whole lot of rope that gets shorter on a daily basis.
58

Jwil,

09/02/2008 10:08:22
".........she would be addressing those profound issues of the party's future herself, with or without the say-so of her glowering overlord in Downing Street."

impossible for her to do this, even now, because she is beholding to her glowering overlord for the position she still holds.
59

Jwil,

09/02/2008 10:09:39
Sorry, that should be "Beholden"
60

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 10:09:42
Media1 your distance from Scotland has never been more evident. The Scotland of your memory has changed beyond compare. FM Salmond is hailed almost universally as lad o all pairts, whereas the WENDY is viewed with revulsion.

Have a look at the bigger picture.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2252418790_33e928b1b0_b.jpg
61

rawhide ,

Glasgow 09/02/2008 10:10:45
58 Media 1,
Oh no he didnt.His manner was accepted by the people of Scotland and also he gave us a good laugh whilst takin the p*ss out of wee wee bent wendy.
Long may she rain , in paisley high st.
62

Media 1,

cape town 09/02/2008 10:16:37
Oscar

Nonsense! I am in Scotland for 4 months every year without fail! Most of that time in Edinburgh, the rest in Aberdeen, and I am well aware that Salmond is viewed by many as a rogue politician who uses ancient history to rouse emotions in his favour without offering any REAL policy, whereas the SNP crew view him as the Liberator they have been indoctrinated to worship. Salmond could be anyone, and the SNP would follow him blindly!
63

Ally 1234,

MOTHERWELL 09/02/2008 10:19:26
The headline says it all. "Wendy's house in order" inded!
This lady is completely out of touch with reality.
The worry is that she was paid for this drivel.
I have vowed never to buy a Scotsman again, having been a reader for fifty five years.
64

David MacVicar,

web 09/02/2008 10:20:56
Thank you Joice for the chance to read some of the most cringing commentary I have seen for some time, a truely lamentable article. However, I am sure it targets your desired audience quite well, giving them plenty to be self loathing about!

"the doubtful privilege of leading the party at Holyrood"
Why is it doubtful? How many journalists of any paper holding their countries name in their title would be capable of writing such inferior nonsense?

Still it will appeal to the despondent Scottish cringe wrapped in negativity and looking for light at the end of a British tunnell.

Let me rephrase your 2nd paragraph:
...after a cringeful reading of yesterday's headlines, I think there may at last be a glimmer of light at the end of the union tunnel for me, and for thousands like me – that is, for the silent numpty of BritScots who have been paralysed with boredom by the whole saga of Wendy Alexander and her dodgy donations and completely baffled by those demanding the rule of law and the ferment of excitement it has caused within Scotland's political and media elite.
65

Conan the Librarian™,

09/02/2008 10:22:58
63
Do you TALK to anyone?

Apart from taxi drivers and barmen, that is.
66

David MacVicar,

web 09/02/2008 10:26:42
53 Media 1*
"I had to hang my head in shame"

Impressive media1! How did you manage that while remaining on your knees and kowtowing at the same time? Did someone did a hole?
67

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 10:40:15
Still waiting to see the emails which cleared Wendy, according to Jackie Baillie on NewsNight last week they had been published. Still no sign of them on her or Wedy's web sites.
68

Hamish Scott,

09/02/2008 10:44:35
"The donations saga appears over and the Scottish Labour leader can focus on leading her embattled party"

Joyce, that is wishful thinking to the point of delusional.
Firstly, because this whole issue is a lot more important than you claim it is. You are seriously underestimating the scale of people's anger not only with Labour but now with the Electoral Commission as well. It's also up to the electorate to decide when it's over, not her supporters.
Secondly, because it appears Wendy was 'got at' by person or persons unknown in an influential position in Scottish Labour. They didn't get her this time but that will only spur them on to have another go.
And that is all without taking into account Wendy's dire performance as leader of Scottish Labour.
69

Auckland Arab2,

09/02/2008 10:47:03
The Hootsmon can put whatever tosh it wants in its headlines about Bendy Wendy. The public don't care and there will be another banana skin just around the corner for her. So Wendy, carry on regardless and now go forth and lead your party......into oblivion!
70

Socrates2,

09/02/2008 10:48:00
best result for SNP
a damaged wendy stays
71

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 09/02/2008 10:48:43
Media 1

Why am I struggling to take anything you post to heart?
I am just no feeling the sincerity or any honest concern for Scottish politics in yer drivel.
I am only seeing posts oozing with provocative sh*t stirring sentiment and wind up.
Are you now so devoid of any argument you have only this tripe to offer?
There aint enough trolls on these threads for you already?
72

alanh,

ek 09/02/2008 10:49:00
is this a party political broadcast for the nu(mpty) labour party?

Wendy cant even accept that the whitewash comission let her off with only a non proven verdict she has to lie further and try to spin it as "proof" of her "innocence".

sorry Joyce but this story wont go away while wee wendy is allowed to lie and spin and show absolutely no signs ofcontrition or acceptance of any wrong doing(unless it was unintemtional)
73

AyrshireScot™,

09/02/2008 10:49:44
#61 Oscar: no glittering showbiz prize for your post! It's the Nats who are stuck in the past: it's Sir Sean and his 60s mindset writ large. The world has changed and it's no longer the time for small nation states to close in on themselves: get real and enter the 21st century, Oscar!
74

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 10:54:22
#63

Media1, 16 weeks in a year is noot nearly enough time to spend in a country and come up with your narrow conclusions.

I spent a total of eight weeks in Germany last year, and wouldn't dream of pontificating on Angela Merkel and the CDU to my German chums, particularly in the vile insulting measures you prefer to use.
75

Stephen101,

09/02/2008 10:56:19
#63 and previous, Media 1

"Salmond uses 'ancient' history, without offering ay real policy. " Even if you depend on your knowledge and
understanding from the pages of the Scotsman you must accept that there are policies in place and bills going through Parliament that offer hope to the people who live in Scotland, regardless of race, colour, religion or nationality. Check out the contents of the Budget from a couple of days ago. Of course it may not all turn out as planned, but the intention is clear.

And as for Wendy having leadership 'skills'. When, where, how good??? Check her CV for me and tell me what she has led.

Good academic qualifications, a very short time in 'consultancy', business school, part time lecturing in Glasgow, otherwise it has been round the world of politics (New Labour style). So hardly well rounded.

Media1, when you come back to Scotland ask the civil servants their thoughts. They have ministers who UNDERSTAND! Who make decisions because they are intelligent and experienced. They do NOT need months of reports to make a decision by committee. They get on with it because they are competent, and more importantly seen as competent by their civil servants.

Whether they are SNP or not, I personally do not care, but if it does mean that in future we will have ministers who have a brain and real experience who are prepared to make decisions and get on with it, then they have my vote.

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d.j.,

09/02/2008 11:01:40
It is clear that the Labour Party doesn't know whether thety are Scottish or British but how could they as their leader Gordon Brown isn't very sure either. Occasionally he is Scottish when it is of political advantage to his party.
Could someone please tell us all. What makes one Scottish?

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Stephen101,

Where is AM2? 09/02/2008 11:03:41
Word on the street is that AM2 has been sectioned - to Carstairs I think .

He was heard to say 'I think Wendy is innocent and honest'. For his carers, this was the final piece of evidence they needed.

Anyone interested in buying his PC, it holds many many interesting, and even more uninteresting links?



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Stephen101,

Who is 'Joyce McMillan' 09/02/2008 11:08:49
'conventional wisdom.....' as mentioned in the article is an AM2 type of comment. Basically it is you plebs think this, but I know better.

In fact, this whole article just sets me thinking. Is AM2 a cross dresser who uses the name 'Joyce McMillan'? Clock the photograph of 'Joyce' on her website and I think the evidence is there for all to see.

We should be told.
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weh,

09/02/2008 11:09:15
Just saw a copy of the Sun. Their columnist Donald McLeod gets absolutely tore right into Labour and Alexander, it's good stuff honest.
If you see someone reading the Sun ask them for a look at their paper :lol:
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weh,

09/02/2008 11:09:36
Just saw a copy of the Sun. Their columnist Donald McLeod gets absolutely tore right into Labour and Alexander, it's good stuff honest.
If you see someone reading the Sun ask them for a look at their paper :lol:
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Publius,

Girvan (for the weekend) 09/02/2008 11:11:44
An interesting article but mistaken.
(1) Scottish Labour was pretty rotten before new Labour was invented. Labour councils were full of corruption and sectarianism. I well remember growing up in Dundee in the 70s and hearing about Labour councillors and their doings then. And in the 1980s/1990s the late John Smith (Labour's hero) simply turned a blind eye to the sectarianism in his own constituency.
(2) Talk a new vision of the balance between the state and markets is just so much twaddle. It isn't a vision that Scottish Labour needs. It is common sense, ethics and a decent leader. Arranging for contributions just under a grand so that they don#'t have to be declared is unethical. Abstaining on the budget is cowardice and stupidity. Outside of Scottish Labour all politicians know that in a multiparty system you bargain over the budget and then you decide to vote for or against. If you sit on the fence you get splinters up your backside.
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weh,

09/02/2008 11:12:32
HERALD BANNING COMMENT ON MOOTH OF THE SOOTH EMAILS!

FREE SPEECH BEING SUSPENDED!
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The west awake,

Argyll 09/02/2008 11:13:06
"One concerns the collapse of individual grass-roots party membership as a viable and sufficient source of funding,"

I would have hoped that this Labour apologist would have noted the SNPs impressive rise in membership and grass-roots support. The SNP are, in spite of feeble opposition attempts to smear it, not in anyone's pocket and answerable more than any other party, to its members.

A step way too far for this Labour mouthpiece.
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AyrshireScot™,

09/02/2008 11:24:47
Even I have to admit in my heart of hearts that Wendy is the best thing ever to happen in Scottish politics: an intelligent politician who is slowly but surely winning herself a great deal of respect. Our Alex may have the political skills and people skills, but I'm just worried that in the long term he'll be about as successful as Neil Kinnock and that eveyone will come to see right through his political wiles. Wonder what job he'll take up, once he finally becomes frustrated with the dead end of Holyrood? A lucrative directorship of Ladbrokes surely beckons!
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Niall,

Fraserburgh 09/02/2008 11:25:35
Sorry Joyce, but that was a load of old codswallop. Time to wake up and see Neu Liebour as it really is. bereft of idealism and radicalism and only interested in keeping their collective snouts in the trough. If Wendy Alexander had any principles she would have resigned to save the reputation of the party. Instead she is doing the party immense harm. Is she perhaps a 5th columnist planted by the nationalists to bring Independence closer and faster? If so she is doing a remarkably good job.

'S mise le meas
Niall Ban.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 11:36:50
#74 How delusional are you Fakey?

In the 1960's Sean Connery strode the international scene like a flared socialist colossus. He donated profits from some of his Bond movies into creating worthy bodies like the Scottish Educational trust.

If he were a New Labour supporter you would be rightly chuffed.
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megz,

glasgow 09/02/2008 11:40:18
house in order hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahaha..................
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 11:40:56
Hee hee hee, from the Paisley Daily Express. I expect the editor won't be getting one of the WENDY's expensive calendars.



IT’S BETTER TIMES AHEAD FOR PAISLEY

Scotland’s top politician insists that brighter times are ahead for Paisley.

Mr Salmond promised to push through plans to wipe out rates for many small traders and reduce costs for others.

And he urged council chiefs to promote sites like Paisley Abbey, which he claimed other towns would give “their eye teeth” to have.

Mr Salmond said: “The benefits of wiping out and reducing rates for 130,000 small businesses will be massive in Paisley.

“I don’t think Paisley can compete with out-of-town shopping centres like Braehead. It’s impossible to offer what they offer but, by cutting rates, we can balance things out a bit because these changes will not apply to the shops in the out-of-town centres.

“I would urge businesses in Paisley to take full advantage of the abolition of business rates.”

Mr Salmond insists Paisley has a lot to offer and described the Abbey as “one of the greatest sites in Scotland.”

He added: “The Abbey is a fantastic place to visit and most other towns would give their eye teeth to have it.

“For whatever reasons, in the past, the abbey and other attractions in the town have not been properly promoted and displayed.”

Mr Salmond said he was delighted to open the new Cotton Street HQ – dubbed Renfrewshire House – where 1,400 council staff are employed.

It also serves as a base for the Renfrewshire Community Health Partnership.

Renfrewshire Council Leader Derek Mackay believes the headquarters will boost the regeneration of Paisley town centre.

He said: “Renfrewshire House is a fantastic new home for our services and this is an exciting time for local government in general.

“And, by retaining our headquarters on the existing Cotton Street site, we have kept the spending power of 1,400 employees in Paisley and that’s important for the council’s continu
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megz,

glasgow 09/02/2008 11:43:02
omg i nearly split my sides open there lol, what a headline, can i have whatever people at the scotsman are on please?
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AyrshireScot™,

09/02/2008 11:45:02
#87 Oscar: I am no fakey, but Sir Sean is! I am the voice of Ayrshire, Scotland and the EU, so less of the patronising fakey nonsense!

Until about 20 years ago, Sir Sean spent so much time moaning about UK tax rates that everyone basically assumed that he'd seen the error of his ways in the 60s and quietly defected to the Tories.

"Flared socialist colossus"??? Are we talking about the same wealthy tax exile who is sadly unable to spend more than 90 days in his native UK and would soon withdraw his pledge to return following independence if the SNP showed signs of ditching their Tartan Tory underbelly?

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Me Bungo Pony,

Dundee 09/02/2008 11:56:05
Ayrshire Scot #85 wrote;
"Even I have to admit in my heart of hearts that Wendy is the best thing ever to happen in Scottish politics: an intelligent politician who is slowly but surely winning herself a great deal of respect."

You have got to be joking AS. She is damaged goods and is now unable to make any claims about being "tough on crime" when she has beenshown to have broken the law herself .... but got away with it. There can be few Scots who do not believe the whole saga has been whitewashed and that SLab politicians are effectively above the law. If she stays in charge of SLab, they are finished.

Ayrshire Scot #85 wrote;
"Our Alex may have the political skills and people skills, but I'm just worried that in the long term he'll be about as successful as Neil Kinnock and that eveyone will come to see right through his political wiles."

More humour AS :) Kinnock was a PR nightmare, never won a General Election and subsequently never formed a Govt. Salmond has already done this and is doing such a good job of it his approval ratings, and that of the SNP, are soaring.

Ayrshire Scot #85 wrote;
"Wonder what job he'll take up, once he finally becomes frustrated with the dead end of Holyrood? A lucrative directorship of Ladbrokes surely beckons!"

In the unlikely event of it happening, I suppose he could fall back on his old profession of Economist. I job he was highly successful and well thought of in. What "beckons" for Wendy? She hasn't really had a real job being a career plitician :(
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Andrew D,

09/02/2008 11:56:16
What kind of tripe is this? That last paragraph

"Now, Wendy Alexander has a brief, slim chance to seize her moment in opposition and to begin to make herself into a politician who matters, for the long-term future of social democracy."

What the heck? "Help me ObiWendy, you're my only hope"?

Why does "the long-future of social democracy" rest on Wendy Alexander having got off with her admitted illegal (none of this impermissible crap) activities and now having to move on?

Ugh.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 11:56:29
If you are the real Ayrshire Scot send me an email to my oscar address, otherwise be content in the knowledge that you are the fakiest of fakeys, resident in the fake town of Fakesville, population: you.

Unfortunately you don't appear to know a lot about Connery in the 1960's he ploughed his own money into various schemes designed to help young Scots, notably he financed several short films about the socialist heritage of the Clyde ship yards, giving financial and peer assistance to young film makers like the young Bill's, Forsyth and Douglas.

I imagine anyone newly entering the realms of the 90% plus tax band would be more than willing to stay elsewhere. Can you say differently?
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/02/2008 11:58:03
Fakey, how soon before you invoke the McGodwins Law and cite him for spousal abuse?
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A Voice From Scotland,

09/02/2008 12:07:58
63 Media 1,cape town 09/02/2008 10:16:37


Do us all a favour and go back to licking your windaes you utter fake and shyte stirring troll, you are so transparent a mole could see through your fantasist facade. You were challenged before to meet up with people in Stockie and you went quite you are no more in SA than I am just another pathetic wee troll faking around in his sad and lonely little bubble. Have a nice day, missing you already.
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­­AyrshireScot™,

cape town 09/02/2008 12:49:07
94, Certainly I will send you an email to hpb.
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shivago8,

livingston 09/02/2008 12:51:34
It wont be long before she is out on her ear,It is impossible for her to visit schools and other places and tell them to be good,when she has been bad herself.Her agonizing stay in the labour party has helped to kill it off for many decades.
But I do hope she stays as it is great watching the Salmond tearing her to bits.