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Richey: Forlorn figure with his life in a few plastic bags …or a 'vengeful, hateful' ex-con?



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Published Date: 09 January 2008
THERE was a strong wind gusting through the cornfields as Kenny Richey arrived at his brother's rural Ohio home, ahead of tomorrow's return to Edinburgh – delayed a day by fog.
He strolled from the car, stuck his nose in the air and ambled for the front door.

He had just savoured his first taste of freedom, on a drive through the countryside with lawyer, Ken Parsigian, passing red barns, farmland and streams. In his cell, he had had no window on the world for two decades.

On the porch, he spotted some kittens huddled together. He stooped to scoop one into his arms then stood silently, stroking it and holding it to his chest as it cuddled into the man who spent 21 years as a convicted murderer and arsonist.

"This is what I've missed," he said, expressionless.

Hours earlier, he had stood equally emotionless in a courtroom 40 miles away as the aunt of Cynthia Collins, the two-year-old he was accused of killing by setting fire to her home, told him he would "burn in hell".

But while the family's raw heartbreak prompted sobs among several members of the public in the courtroom, it had a different effect on Richey, 43.

"It annoyed me," he said, seeming dazed as he lingered on his brother's doorstep.

"It was a lie. It wasn't the truth, they obviously weren't interested in hearing the truth. I mean, it was a shame what happened to little Cynthia, but I had nothing to do with it."

AS HE spoke, friends unloaded Richey's belongings from the boot of a car – 21 years of his life stuffed in a few plastic bags. A gust of wind ripped one of them open, spilling out neat lists of telephone numbers of the many people on the outside who he would ring to help him while away the time. Among those numbers was mine. He would periodically call from Death Row. When he rang, he knew he often came across as his own worst advocate. He didn't do the crime, he would always insist – but I would ask back, what were you doing when flames consumed her mother's apartment? "I was f***ing drunk," he would say, claiming he spent the night passed out in some bushes.

So how could he be sure he did not start the fire that killed the toddler? "I wouldn't kill a kid," he would say, never able to articulate a more thorough response. Neither was there ever much sympathy for the Collins family. "You must feel sorry for them," I prompted on several occasions. "Those f***ing idiots?" he told me. "I was their scapegoat."

Some will put it down simply to the inarticulate speech of a man who was just 22 when he was arrested, and who has idled behind bars ever since. "He was fun-loving, immature, irresponsible," recalls his American father Jim, 69, with whom Kenny went to live in Ohio at the age of 18. "But he didn't start that fire."

The night before Richey's arrest in 1986, Mr Richey asked him: "Did you start that fire?"

"He said, 'I didn't start that fire' and I believe him. Kenny has never spoken about it since."

Others, though, will forever see Richey as a tainted man, despite his conviction for murder and arson having been overturned.

"The thing that was most troubling to me was that a lot of the focus was misdirected away from the family of the victim. Cynthia Collins was the victim in this case," Gary Lammers, the Putnam County prosecutor, told the Toledo Blade newspaper.

"Mr Richey bears some responsibility for what happened here. The fact that he spent 21 years in prison ... I don't think that makes him a victim."

THE plea deal struck on Monday – which still holds him responsible for Cynthia's death in that he had reneged on a promise to babysit her on the night she died – is not what he spent 21 years fighting for, Richey admits.

For now, he will concentrate on getting his life back in order. When his lawyer took him for a steak lunch following his release, he telephoned his father in Washington state. "Guess where I am?" he told him gleefully. "In a restaurant, with a linen tablecloth, eating with a metal knife and fork and a china plate."

While he has been cleared of murder and arson, Richey has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment of a child, because he did not babysit Cynthia as agreed, resulting in her being alone when fire broke out.

He pleaded no contest, meaning he neither admits to, nor disputes, the prosecution's charges. That allows the courts to treat him as guilty.

Mr Lammers told the paper that after an appeals court overturned Richey's conviction on a legal technicality last year, he had hoped to retry him on the same charges. But 21 years on, forensic evidence and witness testimonies were faded.

Meanwhile, the head of the police force that guarded Richey during his final weeks in the US branded him "a risk to the people of Edinburgh".

Sheriff James Beutler said: "The media in the UK make Richey out to be innocent. He is not innocent. He is a vengeful, hateful man. He's not a risk to re-offend back in Scotland – he will definitely re-offend."

AGONY AS FOG DELAYS FLIGHT

KENNY Richey faced another setback to his emotional homecoming when his flight back to the UK was caught up in heavy fog last night.

His connecting flight from Chicago was delayed, meaning he will be reunited with mother Eileen at Edinburgh Airport tomorrow – a day later than expected. His return had already been held up after he suffered a heart scare.

It is likely Richey will be heading for a six-figure windfall when he gets back, as documentary makers clamour to tell his story.

His income could even soar beyond £1 million if Hollywood takes an interest, according to one media expert. Mark Borkowski, who has represented celebrity clients from Michael Jackson to Mikhail Gorbachev, told The Scotsman that Richey's experience – which saw him come within an hour of execution – would be lapped up by American film and TV audiences.

The full article contains 1055 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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09/01/2008 00:45:13
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Don't Buy It,

USA 09/01/2008 05:37:46
God bless Cynthia Collins. May the person who started the fire burn in hell.
3

Law abiding ,

,in a land that is free 09/01/2008 06:05:24
#3 Drangona--s; UK society is sick? Compared to China??
Second: where do you get your 100,000 dead figure from? Sounds more like the The Cultural Revolution. What was that number killed in that one, again? Millions? I'm going to guess the people who released him for, basically, lack of evidence, were not liberals. They were the prosecutors, generally leaning to the political right. The 'liberals' were the people that kept pressure on for an appeal. That is legal in most places outside of China. I don't know whether I would like this guy or not, but in America the Law is "innocent until proven guilty" I'm wondering why you never heard of that one before. He was not proven guilty, according to the article. People should not be spending life in prison simply because Dragona--s, or its ilk says so.
Now run along and have your one child, and hope you never get on the receiving end of your country's law. There will be nothing appealing about it.
4

!Ya basta!,

09/01/2008 06:24:39
Like #1 its hard to know the real truth but his story doesn't ring true.

But the idea of a 6 figure story deal and 1M USD film deal really is gross.

Another example of how sick we, and especially the US, really is.
5

Billysaunty,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 06:44:08
I don't for one minute believe that Kenny Richey is one of life's innocents, but I don't believe he deserved to languish on Death Row for over 20 years either. He was found not guilty of murder but had still endured what is nothing short of torture, coming as close as one hour before execution with his head shaved at one point.
He has been a scapegoat for the Ohio Authorities certainly....they needed a face-saving way of admitting they got the wrong person.
I don't think Kenny is a threat to the people of Edinburgh but perhaps he might have been to the people of Ohio if he'd stayed there, at least the ones in authority...who knows....and who could morally blame him if he was?
I can't begin to grasp what this might do to a person but I wish Kenny all the best and all the help possible for him to pick up the pieces of his life.
How do you put a price on 21 years of a young person's life?
6

James,

Dundee 09/01/2008 06:46:32
Criminal? No doubt.
Guilty of this crime? Reasonable doubt.
Fitted up at original trial? Probably.
Verdict based on evidence(had this tragedy happened in Scotland)? Not proven
7

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

09/01/2008 06:48:15
If he is innocent then my name is OJ Simpson.
8

RandomWaffle,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 07:08:49
Sadly, Cynthia liked playing with matches and the fire service was called out before the tragedy as a result of fires started by her.

If you read the latest appeal decision, as posters have clearly not, it is clear that there is a huge amount of reasonable doubt in relation to the conviction - verging on proof of innocence.

Kenny has plead guilty to the same offence as his ex-partner who served a 45 day sentence as a result.
9

Scottie,

South Africa 09/01/2008 07:36:12
#7, sane and accurate post.
'Not proven' is the most accurate assessment imo.
21 years is a long time when there is any kind of doubt.

If he does crime again, he's plain daft as he'll stand less than a snowball's chance.
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TDB,

Greece 09/01/2008 07:45:37
What he actually plead No Contest to in the end was, "failure to baby-sit and stealing a plant" The State caved and dropped the other charges because it could not prove them because the evidence never even existed in the first place, I expect most people who have commented here have never even bothered to read the facts of this case and are judging him on what they have seen in the press since news broke of his release from death row.
If you really want to read the truth go to http://torley.org/Kenny-Richey/Kenny-Richey
I am sure many of you will not bother and will have him tagged as a murderer and criminal but then the world is full of narrow minded people i guess.
12

mr chips,

09/01/2008 08:14:19
14 TDB,Greece.
Totaly agree.
12 TomKhat congratulations on the most stupid comment yet.
13

Paul Voltaire,

09/01/2008 08:21:43
#14
It was 'involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment of a child' he plead no contest to.
The man is trouble.
We don't want him here.
14

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 08:23:47
Poor Kenny - never had the chance to prove his innocence over 21 years.A nice little earner however awaits him and the leech Max Clifford.
15

mr chips,

09/01/2008 08:47:07
16 Paul Voltaire.
I take it you mean your family dont want him when you utter the word we.
16

Chris, Edinburgh,

09/01/2008 08:49:21
#17 - re Clifford. Yes, he mentioned yesterday that he will try and get as much money as he can for Richey. Clifford is a leech but, ultimately, if people didn't buy the newspapers containing his clients' stories then he'd crawl back under his stone.
17

\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 08:50:56
As sure as God made little green apples this guy will offend again. The Sheriff of Putnam county seems to have him well sized up and I think 'he' should know what he is like.I think if the court had not ordered him to leave that county the residents may well have administered local justice. Leopards do not change their spots.
18

Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 09/01/2008 08:58:34
#7#8 and others.I posted yesterday that the evidence seemed to be lacking for a "beyond reasonable doubt"verdict.Glad to see others are catching on.Sadly the wee girl may be the one who did it and hopefully she's not "burning in hell"unless of course this life is as some believe our hell and she already has.
19

Keir Hardie,

Inverness 09/01/2008 09:01:11
#20 can you give me a tip on the grand national? and the 2008 christmas #1?
20

Paul Voltaire,

09/01/2008 09:13:12
#18
No.
I speak for all the sensible people of Scotland.
We have enough criminals here without importing them, especially one who turned his back on this country at an early age.
21

\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 09:16:22
#18
Hear Hear, He pled guilty as you state.
22

Paul Kelly,

Spain 09/01/2008 09:16:33
Seasider and others are sure he'll offend again. How much are they betting on it? By "offend again" do they mean he'll get blind drunk and fail to turn up to babysit a toddler who starts fires and whose mum has left her home alone? I'm not betting he'll be asked to do any babysitting, but that's what involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment of a child amount to in this case.

23

\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 09:17:38
Sorry in my last posting for #18 read #16
24

Silence of the Yams,

09/01/2008 09:24:30
Nobody should take the words of this 'law enforcement officer' seriously. He's probably up for election this year. Tough talk gets votes.
25

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 09:32:11
Interesting to note that Kenny`s mother is totally underwhelmed at the prospect of his return.Wonder how many times she visited him over the 21 years?,don`t recall her calling for his release.
"A mother`s intuition?" he mused.
26

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/01/2008 09:33:54
#24 You're an idiot. He pled "No contest", which is entirely different to "Guilty". Try actually reading the story before commenting on it.

I've requested that The Scotsman delete the libellous and inaccurate posts referring to Richey as a "convicted murderer", because the plain fact of the matter is that he isn't. The murder conviction was overturned, and he's been found guilty of failing to babysit, for which he's served 21 years - a more than adequate penalty in anyone's book. Who went out and left this child - a child with a history of playing with matches - unattended? Not Kenny Richey. He is not responsible for anyone's death, and the plea bargain is merely the State trying to save face.
27

JADED,

Inverness 09/01/2008 09:39:34
I think as several people have said! Read background to the case, then comment!!!!

28

\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 09:42:13
#29
Another do gooder. At the end of the day he is a very 'lucky' man.
29

AARONGER,

EDINBURGH 09/01/2008 09:43:32
as someone who has read the full transcript of the trial it seems by certain parties that they fail to mention that Richey had earlier on that night made a threat to burn one of the appartments down which was heard by numerous witnesses.This is a guy who would constantly wear his army issue uniform and who carried a knife.Who would threaten women with violence if they got involved with other males, women that he hardly knew but had convinced himself there was some sort of relationship.I do have to admit that the evidence directly linking him to the murder of the child is spurious to say the least and do not think he would have been found guilty of murder in a Scottish court
30

Carel,

09/01/2008 09:49:08
Seasider (20) said ""The Sheriff of Putnam county seems to have him well sized up and I think 'he' should know what he is like.I think if the court had not ordered him to leave that county the residents may well have administered local justice. Leopards do not change their spots.""

So police oppinion should overrule lack of evidence?

Talking about leopards not changing spots and the people of Ohio "administrating local justice" - you know the photos we've all seen of a lynching, with young people standing enjoying the spectacle as an unconvicted man is killed by a mob? These photos were from Ohio.
31

Gourock - such a nice place,

Glasgow 09/01/2008 09:49:29
Regardless of his personality innocent until proven guilty. Would you go out and leave your child before the babysitter had turned up?
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09/01/2008 09:55:30
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P Phillips,

UK 09/01/2008 09:56:21
Yes, always a good idea to establish the facts before commenting. Is it mere coincidence that the nastier comments tend also to be devoid of any real facts about the case?
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MM,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 09:58:42
#23 - Voltaire

I consider myself fairly sensible. FT Job, family, mortgage etc etc. Probably verging on the boring, however you certainly do NOT speak for me, and how dare you to presume so, you arrogant person.

Perhaps you THINK you are speak for the sensible, but more likely it's for the mindless idiots who read and believe the cr*p that is put in front of them by our beloved tabloid press, who have no qualms contradicting themselves on a daily basis.

"especially one who turned his back on this country at an early age." So, an 18 year old lad who choses to go and live with his Dad, in his Dad's country of birth is turning his back on his country? Or is he perhaps making the most of his opportunities and seeing a bit more of the world. More presumption on your part.

Come to think of it, you should perhaps get a job with the gutter press. I think it would suit you.
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Memyself&I,

09/01/2008 10:00:19
#1 I had already made my mind up as to what kind of person he is.

This quote in yesterdays Evening News comes from the man closest to him over the last couple of years, the prison guard assigned to watch over him. A man who deals with prisoneers sitting on death row everyday of his working life.
Unfortunatley I can't find the quote online but more or less said what a nasty piece of work this man is. That having listened to his calls and spent a considerable amount of time with the man that he was under no illusions that the darling of the Scottish media, King Kenny Ritchey would pose an immediate danger to the Scottish publicand would commit further crimes. He was really quite damming yet his quote appeared in a very controlled manner.

This man is a criminal.
.
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\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 10:01:06
#32
You ,like I,read the facts, too many of the comments are from misguided people who only read what they want to hear. I notice from one picture in todays paper he has taken to wearing a U.S.M.Corp cap. If I remember right they got rid of him. No doubt serving U.S.marines will love the picture.
37

Dougie Gray,

Glasgow 09/01/2008 10:01:21
Yes he is lucky, loads of other people are languishing in prison systems as a result of less convincing evidence than that against him. Perhaps if police and prosecuters had done their job properly as they are paid to the case would not have been so muddied and he would either have faced execution or been freed long ago. No one has come out well from this in my opinion.
38

Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

09/01/2008 10:28:12
32.....Those witnesses later retracted their statements...saying they were given under pressure....something that would have blown a very large hole in this case...
39

Krisztinabelle,

Kincardine 09/01/2008 10:30:53
Death Row 21


Hope.
The last of evils or
the biggest present from God?

Being in prison, with a life sentence.
Without the possibility of parole.
When you give up completely.
How would you feel?

Want to think about it? Maybe not…

Or would you want to sit in your cell,
day after day, hoping to be released?
Every time the door opens
you look up;
maybe you can be free.
Now!
In a year’s time!
In five years!
Ten years!
Twenty-one...

Guilty or innocent, does it matter?
You are sitting there,
alone
day
after
day;
you are hoping…
and you never get out…

The Greeks considered hope,
Elpis,
to be as dangerous
as all the world's other evils.

Nietzsche thought
hope was the most evil of evils
because it prolonged man's torment.

Today is the 8th January, 2008.
Kenny Richey is free
after 21 years on death row.
He has had hope
always
even on the day
of his planned execution…
again
and
again…

Richey
I only know you from the news,
I have heard your story and
I am really truly sorry…

I hope
you will be
able to live your life,
now
freely
just as you have been
dreaming
during all those
long,
suffering years.

Good luck, Richey!
I will be praying for you.

I know others will too.

All of us need each other,
when we despair.
In our life
during our trials,
when suffering,
even in death

we are equal.

I hope.

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Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

09/01/2008 10:32:04
There is no doubt that Kenny Richey is damaged goods...very damaged...but the gutter press has helped create that damage, and this newspaper, this journalist who wrote this piece...are part of that...one sided biased trash...

MS Goddard...your painting of him as an arrogant heartless misfit will go a long way to manipulating people's opinions of him....and you know it.
41

Peter Parka,

Harlow, Essex 09/01/2008 10:41:27
Kenny can come home a proud Scot who has been cleared of any major wrong doing. And the stuff he pleaded no contest to he wasn't guilty of and it was a sham so the US government didn't have to pay him a load of compensation. Gross! Welcome home Kenny, you are a hero and people who say otherwise are stupid and uneducated!
42

AARONGER,

09/01/2008 10:43:33
#41 not all of the witnesses retracted their statements and lets not forget richey spent alot of time threatening the people who testified against him with violence even the prosecutor and continued to do this over many years.As I said it was an unsafe conviction but lets not make him out to be the prodigal son as I knew the family many years ago and the last thing they want in the media is their past raked up and that includes the parents if the father's statments during the trial are anything to go by.
43

Dancer,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 10:46:03
#10 Kenny has plead guilty to the same offence as his ex-partner who served a 45 day sentence as a result.

Very good point. Kenny may not have made the best decision in not baby sitting, but hey his partner never baby sat either. So how come he gets to take the rap and spend 21 years in a hell hole? Did he agree to look after the child?
44

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/01/2008 10:56:31
#43 Horrible cankers, you're being harsh on Ms Goddard, look at the delightful wordplay describing Mr Richey being cuddled by innocent kittens, surely this is prose of Nobel quality.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of this case, I'm entirely struck by the similarity that Kenny Ritchie has to Snake Jailbird from The Simpsons.
45

Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

09/01/2008 11:04:46
47...Yeah yeah...psychos are frequently depicted as stroking or holding onto small cuddly animals...look at the serial killer in 'Silence of the Lambs' with his wee poodle dug....that big persian cat that the baldie monacled baddie stroked in the bond film..wotsis face Donald something....makes them look more disturbed and deranged dinnit?...misplaced affection and all that....wee girls dead, he shows no remorse whilst stroking cute kittens....you dont need a degree in psychology to see when a hack is trying to manipulate you......and this is me being quite lenient by the way.....

'Snake Jailbird'...need to go and google that...
46

Peter Parka,

09/01/2008 11:05:46
Kenny is coming home, welcome back and ignore the ignorant fools who question you innocence, they obviously know nothing about the case! Hold your head high son!
47

Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

09/01/2008 11:06:27
47...Aye ye've got a point there pal....Snake Jailbird right enuff...
48

Horrible Cankers..dans le Cyber Shebeen,

09/01/2008 11:07:54
49...You sound like a troll trying to inflame a bit of hatred here pal....
49

abracadabra,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 11:15:26
What a lot of bleeding hearts your contributors are.
The man was lowlife before his conviction and with help from Max Clifford is now rich lowlife.
Mind you, he'll fit into Edinburgh lowlife quite well.
50

Anna21,

09/01/2008 11:21:05
I've read a lot about the case details and it seems that Cynthia Collins "...was fascinated with matches," and that firefighters had been called out twice to extinguish fires the girl had started. Could all this heartache come about from the little girl's own action...and how terribly sad that if this were the case...it is not inconceivable, but everyone always needs someone to blame.
51

Peter Parka,

Harlow, Essex 09/01/2008 11:21:19
51 Wtf are you talking about??? I'm welcoming home a guy who has been cleared, how is that hateful??? Reality check!!!
52

supercelt,

09/01/2008 11:32:23
Sheriff James Beutler said: "The media in the UK make Richey out to be innocent. He is not innocent. He is a vengeful, hateful man. He's not a risk to re-offend back in Scotland – he will definitely re-offend."

I think yes probably the above is correct. His brother Tom is in a Washington state prison for a shooting while high on LSD, committed while he was a serving solider. As for his USMC cap he was dishonourably discharged from the Marine Corps and his brother from the army. He was divorced by the time he was 22 and his son Sean Richey has a number of warrants pending against him in Minn for misdemeanor assault and disorderly conduct charges. By all accounts a lovely family, as someone who has a brother who serves the US Marines I am not sure he would be too happy to see him in that cap.
53

Memyself&I,

09/01/2008 11:37:18
#46 You don't make any sense.
He spent 21 yeasr in prison because he had been convicted of murder.
54

\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 11:38:38
#56
I totally agree with you. Too many bleeding hearts out there pleading the case for the likes of Richey. Did Sheriff Beutler dream this up? I think not. This man probably knew Richey as well as anybody and he would also be privy to prison feedback.
55

Proud2Be,

scotland 09/01/2008 11:41:12
Dearest Posters

I have a terrible crime to confess and this thread of reasonable, well balanced nutcases seemed to be the ideal forum for it.

Recently the local junkie asked me if I would look after his half brothers first wifes stepson while he nipped to the local dealer for a large bag of smack to while away a long Hogmany spent babysitting.

Despite said junkies pleading assurances that "the wean would be no bother and would entertain himself with the machetes and razor blades that were left lying about for him to play with" I had to tell him that I could not do it as it was Hogmany and I intended on getting a little bit squify!!

Unfortunately the aforementioned junkie decided that he would just pop out anyway. Lo and Behold the child did play with the razors and machetes and his arms and legs now look like they have been repeatedly shoved through a cross cut shredder!

While I felt sorry for the child it never crossed my mind that I would be responsible for this childs injuries as he was not in my care when it all transpired.

However, having read the comments on this story I can only conclude that my failure to look after someone elses child, and their failure to care enough to make other arrangements for the childs care, makes me responsible for anything that happens to the child!!

So I would like to ask the reasonable well balanced nutcases on here who are vilifying Kenny Richey if they would mind forming a Jury of my peers to deliver USA style justice! There will be a get out clause so you can slink away in 20 years time without admitting your mistakes!!

In closing I would like to submit that should this clown jury decide to award compo to said junkie I have no cash but I do have a large drum of Bisto Granules that he can inject away to his hearts content - he would not notice the difference anyway!!
56

Cropsy,

Lochend 09/01/2008 11:48:39
He's done a massive stretch in prison! best of luck to him....
57

Helen,

09/01/2008 11:55:49
He remains a convicted criminal and as far as I'm aware convicted criminals are not allowed to profit from their crimes. If he's as innocent as he claims to be, why does he need Max Clifford? If he does sell his story to the gutter press, the police should be involved as he may well be committing another crime.
I can't imagine his so-called 'story' will make terribly interesting reading anyway. Death Row doesn't appear to be the most exciting place on earth so it won't exactly be a scintillating read.
I'm not entirely sure why he is coming to Scotland anyway. He was born in the Netherlands and chose to go to the USA to live when he was 18.
58

Paul Voltaire,

09/01/2008 12:04:39
#37 MM
Oh,Dear.
This is the first time I have been verbally-abused by a do-gooder.
I am glad I was not within striking distance as you may have belted me with your handbag.


59

Aber-Scot,

Swan-Vesta 09/01/2008 12:16:56
To all in support of Kenny:
Would you leave your child with him once he returns to Edinburgh?
60

Richard Head,

09/01/2008 12:19:24
He is a very dangerous person indeed.
61

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 09/01/2008 12:19:51
What a lot of nutters have written above!

There are many far worse people already walking our streets, having served their (shorter) time for proven (and worse) crimes.

Mr. Richey even if guilty has paid more than the price expected here.

Until we all know the FULL facts of the case we are in NO position to make ANY judgements. He is innocent until guilt is proved beyond ALL reasonable doubt and this hasn't happened, hence the release.

Some compassion is in order, please.
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Mr H 2u,

Embra 09/01/2008 12:21:45
Seems the Hootsmon is in cahoots with Richey as my comment suggesting that the people so worried about him should do something more useful with their time was removed, despite the lack of sweary words in my post. I just thought them, I didn't type them.

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Eddie,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 12:22:33
No 57 - he spent 21 years in prison because he would not admit to murder. If he had, he would have been out years ago.

The Sheriff whose comments have been reported is symptomatic of US justice.
If you take a kid from a poor area of any city, from a broken home, with no sense of parental control, you would not expect him to have the highest standards of behaviour. Put him in rural Ohio (yes, I've been there, and yes, I know what its like!) and you might expect trouble. Fit him up for arson and murder and lock him away in a prison for 21 years, would you expect him to be the epitome of genteel socialites? The sheriff would be in big trouble for mouthing off unsubstantiated claims like that like that in any properly run legal system.

The US system has treated him very badly - this end game is so that they do not have to admit that they were wrong, and will not have to pay compensation. If he can make some recompense from his story, good luck to him - how much money have you made over the past 21 years?

That he is still a (relatively) uneducated lout from a poor inner city area is not in doubt. That he has a background of drinking, fighting, threatening is not in doubt. If he is a threat to the people of Edinburgh, and will definitely re-offend, who's fault is that?
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Chas Niceass,

09/01/2008 12:23:13
The idea that money will be made from a tragedy such as this is wrong. But thats the 21st Century. I dont think the girls family would accept any money from the telling of the story in any case, but if there is any justice then they should be somehow be considered as they will never for eternity be compensated, as nor will Richey be for 21 years perhaps lost, only he knows if that is the case.
In the absence of any satisfactory evidence however people have to let Richey get on, hopefully now he will make good use of his life and recognise the waste that though falsely convicted, nevertheless seemingly anti social behaviour led him down this path.
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thatscottishwoman,

The Kirkyard 09/01/2008 12:25:05
63 Aber-Scot,Swan-Vesta

Well said
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Proud2Be,

Scotland 09/01/2008 12:29:18
#63 & #69 - the point of this whole saga is that the child was not with Kenny Richey!!

"Well said" indeed!! If your intention was to post irrelevant inaccurate drivel then yes "well said" otherwise go and find out the facts about the story and then come back and say something intelligent.

If you cant say something intelligent then say it elsewhere!!
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Eddie,

Edinburgh 09/01/2008 12:30:17
No 63 - Certainly not. Why did the crackheads in Ohio chose to do so 21 years ago?
Look at the reality. Disfunctional family - rural Ohio - child with a history of arson - ask a drunkard to babysit - go on out anyway when he doesn't arrive.
Responsible parents? who refuse to comment on the incident.
If Richey had not been white he would have been lynched on the spot.
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Swamp Thing,

The Swamp of course 09/01/2008 12:41:39
#41 aaronger
Please can you tell me how many witnesses didn't retract their statements. You seem to know an awful lot about what went on. So please can you let me know what caused all levels of United States government to back down quietly & release him. While we're on the matter can you also tell me why the childs mother was let off so lightly right from the start just by saying " It wasn't me! It was him ".

Your vague answer expected anytime.

And #72

So he was meant to be with Cynthia Collins ( I assume thats the kid you are talking about ) at the time of the fire. Was somebody trying to kill him then?
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Dylan fan,

Planet earth 09/01/2008 12:51:46

Only God knows for sure why that night turned out as it did. He was wrong to be away from his promised post. How many times have children been left in the care of "wellmeaning" friends and things gone terribly wrong for the child? Many I think. 20 years is a long time. I hope he can appreciate life now that he has a second chance.. None of us knows the Grand Scheme.
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Peter Parka,

09/01/2008 12:52:58
63 A RESOUNDING YES!!!
72

Maureen,

09/01/2008 13:02:51
No a lot has been said about the mother in this case ... who admitted in court to having administered ... on more than one occassion ... adult sleeping tablets to her 2 year old ...
Hope Collins served 45 days jail time for her part in the tragic death of her lovely wee girl ... left home alone at 3am so her Mum could go out partying, again ... and then had the audacity to point the finger at KR saying she left him to babysit !

Ms. Collins has gone on to make a success of her life,ironically, working with women inmates with child court / drug issues ... yet has steadfastly refused to comment on this case in 20 years.
I find this incredible ... who really is to blame for Cynthia's death ?

Kenny Richey might not be the sharpest tool in the box considering some of the comments he's made over the years ... but society cannot execute people because they appear as if they might have 'verbal tourettes'.

I wish this man all the best ... I hope he accepts the support that's on offer from agencies like MOJO ... who help ex-inmates adapt to life on the outside.
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McGinty,

09/01/2008 13:06:19
'Yes, always a good idea to establish the facts before commenting. Is it mere coincidence that the nastier comments tend also to be devoid of any real facts about the case'
I reckon there's probably quite a small proportion of posters who deal with the truth and facts, and are gracious and understanding and civil with it. There's quite a lot of sifting to do on these boards, many posters are not worth even acknowledging.
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Peter Parka,

09/01/2008 13:10:13
76 and 77, totally agree. People should stfu when they are clearly talking out of their back side!
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Banjo Face,

Glasgow 09/01/2008 13:16:18
Don't know if he was innocent or not. But he maintained his innocence for 20 years when on death row, and to his own disadvantage. Nobody should ever be on death row. Maybe his 'no contest' (which isn't a guilty plea) plea was just a reflection that he'd had enough time in prison.

A few fairly reactionary opinions here.
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wee one,

09/01/2008 13:17:49
Guilty or not, do you not think that 21 years on Death Row, with the constant threat of the electric chair hanging over you, and at one point only an hour away, is more than enough punishment for any human being in a so-called humane society?

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Proud2Be,

Scotland 09/01/2008 13:20:41
#72 he was not MEANT to be anywhere!! He had agreed to babysit but instead he went and got drunk!! He never showed up, so the child was never entrusted to him, so the childs mother should never have went out!!

Should he have broke the agreement to babysit, should he have went and got drunk? Morally, I don't think so. But neither of these two points make him a murderer.

The childs mother should not have left her home alone!! Therefore she should be dragged out of hiding and punished for causing the death of her child by neglect!! Kenny Richey got drunk and let someone else down!! Disappointing - YES! Criminal - NO!!

I can see a new excuse sweeping scotlands workplaces starting with Aber-Scot!! "I am sorry I could not come to work today but the bus driver who was MEANT to drive me to work got drunk last night and did not show for work!! Don't sack me, sue him!!"

Methinks you are lacking in the same common sense that appears to be missing from the US Justice system!!
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\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 13:37:46
#77 & #78 etc.
Pray tell me where YOU get all your info. re established TRUTH & FACTS. Same place as the rest of us I am sure, either via the internet, TV or from the daily press. It all boils down to what you are prepared to accept and what version of events you believe. Why were all these people with the established TRUTH & FACTS not called at the trial, or were they?
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supercelt,

09/01/2008 13:49:55
I agree that the mother was a fault in all this as well. And to be honest I think Kenny Richey would have ended up in an American prison one way or another the way he was going. I think his son will and I think he will smash a bottle into someone's face in Scotland or something like that and end up in Barlinne or where ever else
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Swamp Thing,

The swamp 09/01/2008 13:54:12
I get very concerned reading these comments that Paediatricians should once again be worried.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 09/01/2008 13:56:13
#83 Whereas I think he will lead a peaceful quiet life traveling around Scotland in a campervan. Trying to reconcile his incarceration with a life of untold possibilities.

I don't think he'll smash a bottle in someones face, but I think you might. Pip pip.
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Maureen,

09/01/2008 14:07:15
#82 ... The fact is Cynthia's Mum left her precious 2 year old daughter home alone, again ... at 3am on that particular morning ...

If she is so convinced of KR's guilt, why was she not present in court to face him on Monday 7th Jan. 08 ? ... and been ever so reluctant to speak about Cynthia's death ?

I have researched this case in depth ... like many others have ... online and through various other methods, including reading the trial transcripts twice and arson experts reports ... itoa long time to convince me that KR was not responsible for this tragic accident ... but I accept your point ... it does all boil down to what you want to believe ...


I feel such sorrow for Cynthia's Dad ... whose heart-felt, dignified statement was read out in court.
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supercelt,

09/01/2008 14:12:25
#85 No I hope I am wrong and no I have never smashed anything into anyone's face and never would. Also at 22 I was not thrown out of the Marines, getting blind drunk, leaving others to pay for my son and getting myself sent to Mansfield. Pip Pip very childish.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/01/2008 14:14:10
#82 "Why were all these people with the established TRUTH & FACTS not called at the trial,"

Because the public defender appointed to Richey was - as is now acknowledged - completely incompetent and failed in his duty to his client?

The ignorance on here is astonishing. Kenny Richey may well not be a very nice man. But he's served 21 years in prison, under constant threat of death, for a crime he didn't commit, and it takes a REALLY nasty piece of work to begrudge him his freedom - and perhaps a little cash to help him get his life back on track - now. All of you condemning him on here, based on your lazy ignorance of the facts of the case, are no better than you claim he is.

Ultimately all he did was go out and get drunk and a bit obnoxious, and if you got 21 years in the clink for that the streets of Glasgow and Edinburgh would be deserted by June.
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\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 14:18:51
#87
HEAR HEAR. Mr Richey seems to be a all round fine fellow. Will he be met by pipe bands at the airport?
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 09/01/2008 14:26:58
#89 Can we assume you've never in your whole life got drunk and/or acted unpleasantly towards anyone? If so, feel free to get casting those stones.
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Swamp Thing,

Nowhere near Saltcoats 09/01/2008 14:27:36
#89

I challenge you to answer your own question. I suspect you'll just bat the question back again.
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Last furlong,

Westfield 09/01/2008 14:33:37
As I said yesterday ... I know this guy and his family from when he lived in Edinburgh. Did KR start the fire, I dont know but all the people on here welcoming him home should be very wary ... KR is no hardman but he is low life filth that would mug a granny for a couple of quid. Ask around gorgie the people that know him... Ask them about the crimes he committed here before leaving ...

All we need now is his beloved double murdering brother to come home and we can really show these nasty americans how to treat criminals.
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blueinmo,

USA Missouri 09/01/2008 14:38:41
All I can say is good luck mates. He said he was going to burn the place down. Babies may play with matches but they don't pour petrol all over the flat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Richey

Anyone know of a person named Gog's? Seems your boy shot him in the head. And little Richie brags that if Scotland knew half the thing's he had done they would bring back the death penalty.

You people better demand Scotland get that letter he wrote to his friend in Scotland.

While in pretrial custody, Richey wrote to a friend in Scotland that police in the United States did not scare him. The letter was quoted in the pre-sentence investigation as follows: "If one ever pulls a gun on me he'd better shoot to kill. * * * Remember that day when I shot Gog's in the head with your gun, I laughed so hard I almost ripped my sides! (If the police in Scotland) ever found out about 1/2 the stuff we done they'd bring back the death penalty just for us! * * * If they just give me prison time they better hope to hell I die in there, cause when I get out I won't stop hunting them all down until everyone who is involved in this case is dead!"



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\seasider,

Saltcoats 09/01/2008 14:45:33
#92
A bit of sense from someone who seems to know the individual. I dont suppose the Rev.or Swampie will listen to your unkind words. I wish some of the prison officers who were in charge of Richey for 21 years would come on here and tell us the real facts about what he was like during that time. You are the second person from Edinburgh that I have read of with much the same comment on Richey in his pre US days.
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supercelt,

09/01/2008 14:53:05
Yes it is on record that Mr Richey made a number of threats to various people. This is why in his plea bargain he agreed to be sent back to Scotland. He has dual American / British citizenship and therefore could have stayed in the U.S. They banned him from Putman County for 5 years but he is not banned from the US. However they paid for him to leave America. His brother Tom who is currently in Prison in Washington has also sought a transfer to a Scottish prison however the Scottish prison service could not guarantee the length of sentence the Americans wanted.
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Maureen,

09/01/2008 14:53:20
I'm not saying I think KR's a good guy ... but society cannot execute anyone just on the basis of verbal bravado or being an asshole.

If KR does not accept the help on offer from the likes of MOJO... which will include anger management ... and does end up committing a serious crime ... then his feet shouldn't touch ...

I reckon Lothian police will be monitoring him ... for everyone's safety ... including his own.
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Scythia,

Glasgow 09/01/2008 14:53:27
Either way, this is one nasty person. The sight of Max Clifford and Daily Record, rewarding him with 5 figure publicity deals makes me boak. What decent person would want to read about low life scum like this anyway. pathetic.