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'Knife thug murdered my son and now I want law tightened to reclaim streets'



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Published Date: 27 June 2008
ON 14 July last year, my son Damian came home after an evening out, minding his own business. He was heading down towards his own house and he was approached by a thug.
He did not know the time (when asked] and he was stabbed to death.

People say he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that is not true. He had every right to be going home.

Barry Gavin, the man who stabbed him, was out on four counts
of bail. Two of them were for knife possession, one was for a stabbing and another was for disfigurement.

It was he who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

He should not have even been allowed back out on to the streets, but he was. It is quite incredible that the judiciary are allowing it to happen.

Women are not safe to walk the streets, men are not safe to walk the streets, it is a continual fight against the thug – and the thug at this particular time is winning.

Sentencing has to be tightened up to overcome this strange phenomenon.

I would like to recommend that sentencing is made as severe as possible.

The trouble is that I think the judiciary and the politicians are not in the real world.

The reason I petitioned Holyrood is that knife crime has gone out of all proportion – it is prevalent everywhere you go.

But I came to parliament and I saw some end-of-term antics in First Minister's Questions – not anything that really deals with the problems people face. It was like they were just playing games.

When you ask them, the judiciary say that they are limited in what sentences they can pass down, but then the politicians say it is up to the judiciary.

They have got to sit down and pass a law that gets these thugs off our streets and protects innocent, law-abiding people.

I cannot tell you how hard it is for the families.

And it just keeps going on.

My heart goes out to the relatives of the 17-year-old from Inverness who was stabbed earlier this week.

It is so tough for the family.

First you have to go and identify the body, then you have to wait for all the processes to be gone through with the coroner – and it is weeks before you have a body to bury.

Then you have to go through the court process and you see the person responsible getting two years off his sentence because he pleaded guilty.

Damian was only 34. He worked for IBM in Greenock, and he left a family that loved him – his mum and dad, two brothers and two sisters.

My son's murderer will serve a minimum of 15 years but it is no comfort to us as he will have a plasma television and be able to play computer games whilst he is serving his time.

Admittedly, he will be on a lifetime's licence, but it sometimes seems that the rights of the criminal come a long way before the right of the victim. When we find these thugs guilty then that should be it. They should not expect a comfortable life.

My son's murder will haunt our family for the rest of our lives.

We seem to have got it right for guns – if people are caught possessing a gun then they go to prison.

So I ask, why is it not the same for knives?

Last year there were 59 murders involving guns but there were 118 fatal stabbings, and that's just the ones we know about.

I do not understand why it is that if somebody is caught carrying a knife and found guilty, that does not automatically result in a five-year prison sentence.

There needs to be a real deterrent to these thugs. That does not exist at the moment. All too often they say they need to carry knives to protect themselves. But that is nonsense.

If you carry a knife then people need protecting from you and you are only going to end up injuring or killing somebody.

We need a change of culture in Scotland and that needs to start with a change in the law to recognise the seriousness of knife crime in this country.

I am very pleased that so many people have backed this campaign and signed the petition.

It is up to the MSPs now to look at it and come up with something that protects the people they represent from the thugs on our streets.

Mandatory jail terms the only answer, says grieving father

THE father of a man stabbed to death last year has delivered a 16,000-signature petition to Holyrood demanding a change in the law governing knife crime.

John Muir, 69, launched the campaign following the murder of his son Damian in Greenock on 14 July last year.

He is calling for mandatory prison sentences for people convicted of simply carrying a knife.

The campaign for a "Damian's Law" has been backed by people across the country and the petition will be considered after the Scottish Parliament's summer recess.

Damian Muir, 34, was stabbed eight times by 21-year-old Barry Gavin.

Gavin, who had been released on several counts of bail involving other alleged knife crimes, was jailed for a minimum of 15 years.

Now Mr Muir, of Inverkip, Renfrewshire, wants to see all knife-carriers given a "severe" sentence. His petition was sponsored by Labour MSP Duncan McNeil and presented to the petitions committee convener, Frank McAveety.

"The tragic case of Damian Muir, pointlessly and brutally murdered by a known criminal last July, has raised some hard questions for the justice system," said Mr McNeil.

"No-one in a democracy wants political interference in the judicial process but the courts must reflect the seriousness with which our community regards senseless, violent crime."

The issue was also raised by Cathy Jamieson, Labour's deputy leader, during First Minister's questions. Alex Salmond, the First Minister, assured her the Scottish Government was considering mandatory jail terms for people caught carrying a knife.





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  • Last Updated: 26 June 2008 9:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Knife culture
 
1

tomi,

27/06/2008 04:58:33
Thugs pick on those who they think are weak and easy victims.
Recognise the right of the people to defend themselves even if they have to carry and use a knife or a gun to do so.
Stop blameing the victim, or the instrument, but blame and punish the thugs who prey on inocent people.
2

Guga II,

Rockall 27/06/2008 06:16:49
The question has to be asked, why was someone allowed out on four counts of bail for four serious offences? I also assume that someone like that had a string of convictions to his name. So who is at fault, is it the judiciary, the system (i.e. the government), or both? Perhaps we need some changes to the law.

In any event, one simple change to the law would, and should be to disallow bail for anyone charged with violent offences. The next simple change to the law would, and should be to bring in a mandatory life sentence for anyone using a weapon to commit violence.

I use the term "weapon" rather than knife or gun as a lot of these thugs and neds use a variety of weapons, including iron bars and hammers. The latter weapons can be equally lethal.

For the benefit of people like Kenny MacAskill, who does not want to gaol anyone under the age of eighteen, changes in bail laws, and mandatory life sentences should apply to anyone, of any sex, and of any age. A fifteen year old thug, for example, can be just as deadly as an eighteen year old thug.

3

Jay Kay,

27/06/2008 07:43:40
I have said this before and for those who will isten I will say it one more time, for this type of individual who doesn't pay a blind bit of notice to all those bleeding heart social workers and court appointed helpers for the poor wee lamb, what this thug needs and the only option open that will make him listen is twenty lashes with the CAT, then let him continue with his life after serving 40 years for murder in a 12x6 cell locked up for 22 hours a day.

To many softie liberalist sh*tes out there who seem to easily forget that this thug stabbed an innocent man leaving behind a familly and freinds.

The Social workers concentrate so hard on the thug they forget the real crime.

Bring back the cat and see what happens to knife crime, it would evaporate overnight.

Standard 5 lashes if found carrying a knife.
10 lashes for threatening behaviour with a knife then 5 years in hard labour
20 for murder then 40 years hard labour.

when will the softies learn its the only way to treat these professional criminals.
4

JayJay,

Right here 27/06/2008 08:41:17
Barry Gavin, four counts of bail, one for a stabbing, another for a disfigurement (which I believe was for attacking someone with a broken bottle).
Why is it so obvious to me, and to everyone else in Scotland, but strangely not so obvious to the courts, Cathie Jamieson (ex-Justice Minister, a role she held for several years) or Kenny McAskill that such individuals are the human equivalent of a rabid dog. Why do we need to listen to bunkum that the Government is "considering" mandatory jail terms for people carrying a knife? Why considering? Is 118 fatal stabbings not quite enough to shock our legislators out of their lethargy?
And before anyone starts with the "oh, what if they are a tradesman", lets be perfectly clear what we are talking about here. The "Rab McGlinchey" lookalike and soundalike, swigging from a bottle of Buck, and demanding "respect" from all around him. That might be a stereotype, but I see them everywhere, and I give them a huge wide berth.
118 deaths by knife, alongside numerous near fatal stabbings and other random slashings is a national disgrace, and we require politicians who appreciate that and do something about it now. Rather than toddling off on holidays till September!
5

TM,

LA, USA 27/06/2008 09:05:39
My heart truely goes out to the family of the victim.

As #2 points out, it is not the availability of weapons, there will always be screwdrivers, pint glasses etc etc, but the mentality of the thugs that needs to be changed. Stiffer sentences under harsher conditions, might make them think twice. Tougher penalties for violent crime. I live in the land of guns and knives and everything else and have seen Very little violence in my life. Stay out of the worst neighborhoods here, and most likely you will never experience violence, even though weapons are everywhere.
6

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27/06/2008 09:07:36
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7

Nimrodel1353,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 09:11:32
For once the Americans have got it right with the likes of Neil Entwhistle.

Keep him locked up until his trial, then jail him for life with no chance if ever getting out.

Why is it so obvious to everyone posting here, but not to those in power?

Lock up he thugs, and make it a real punishment - not a training ground for further crime, or how to win at Lewis Hamilton F1.

Build more jails, employ more prison officers - this has a two fold effect of giving people work, and sorting out the criminal culture in thuis country (and the wider UK).
8

baroda,

Spain 27/06/2008 09:23:17
I listen to what the government reaction is to this henious crime and others like it. They use words like we are considering and proposing but nothing ever happens.Whatever happened to tough on crime and tough on the cause of crime. More lies from New Labour.
I was back in Stirling in may where i was born and brought up. Walking along the street at 4pm i was walking towards 7 young teenagers and i felt intimidated by the way whey were acting. I crossed to the other side of the road as you cant tell what they might do. I just felt i did not want to become a statistic being in the wrong place at the wrong time. As for the police presence there was none.
I am afraid the thugs do rule the streets and they know there chances of being jailed are minimal.
I am afraid the laws and the backup are loaded in the criminals favour.
The government just make noises but at the end of the day do nothing to improve situations.
Every day you read of murders and families left to pick up the pieces whilst the scum just laugh and show no remorse.
I dont have the answer but people are paid to ensure our streets are safe and they are not up to the task.
9

an interested party,

27/06/2008 11:46:32
is being a youth a crime?
is hanging out with your mates a crime?
have you ever seen a group of youths attack
someone randomly?
have you read about it or seen it on the news?
which i am guessing you have

but i am interested to know why you where intimidated
was it there clothes? the way they acted? their hairstyles. did they directly intimidate you? or did you just feel that way for other reasons

however it was prudent of you to cross the street and
give them the respect they seek

you know why they walk around in groups ?, they are frightened too
10

alsirat,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 14:22:38
I would have thought that common sense should be applied here. As a kayaker and hiker, I consider a knife an essential part of safety equipment. As a Wolf Cub, I was told to always have a pen knife, a length of string and a small torch. I would consider it very wrong, if, as a a law abiding citizen of 53, I was arrested and given a jail sentence for having a knife with me when I was camping.
11

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

27/06/2008 14:37:57
The US has lower violent crime than Scotland because its citizens have the right to carry guns and defend themselves and others against criminals by using them.

Would that a concerned citizen had had the freedom and will to defend this unfortunate boy by shooting the thug.

Sadly in Scotland we've surrendered to the thugs. It's time we screwed up our courage, armed our citizenry, and made it a time for the criminals to fear for their lives.
12

Pazuzu,

27/06/2008 15:08:45
A life for a life.

Scum like these vermin should be put on Anthrax Island, surrounded by rabid animals.
13

gotalottosay,

27/06/2008 15:11:19
i watched the wee man on the tv and my heart went out to him. one can only hope that maybe standing up as he has, someone will listen to him instead of patronising him. its a pity that people in general went on "strike" where the government and elections were concerned, if we all held back our vote, maybe they might do something constructive, or in my case is it "dream on"
14

MoragtheToerag,

27/06/2008 15:52:45
A moment of rarity here: an article that actually hits the truth at every point!

Amen, Mr Muir!

I'm very sorry for your loss.
15

an interested party,

27/06/2008 18:34:53
'The US has lower violent crime than Scotland'??
really!

10000 + gun deaths a years , a school shooting horror every other, much safer place

16

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

Arvada, Colorado, USA.......... 27/06/2008 19:44:13
#16, the USA has 300 million people and over 20 million illegal emigrants to Scotlands 5 million and yes they do have less crime, i feel secure at anytime im about in the States, BUT i was in Scotland for over 2 months last year and i could feel the tension everywhere and witnessed teenage punks roaming the streets and stores intimidating people,when i told them off, people said that you cant do that or i would be lifted, bull ,,it, when are you people going to grow a set of b,lls and take back your country, starting with the judicial system, then when you give a murderer a life sentence make it life without parole, to all the yank bashers thats something you should copy, and by the way a big percentage of the crimes commited over here are by the illegals, so come out of your glass houses and look around ,, Jock H, from Niddrie Mains Terrace
17

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

Arvada, Colorado,USA 27/06/2008 19:52:01
ps. to Mr. Muir and family my condolences for your son Damien, please keep up your good work, maybe just maybe someone may take notice on what you are doing, respectfully Jock H.
18

SlyFifer,

California 27/06/2008 19:55:50
#12. It is precisely because any criminal in the U.S. has no idea if a homeowner or an individual carries a gun that certain types of crime are lower here. The related story in the Scotsman today covers the Supreme Court's ruling here yesterday upholding the 2nd Ammendment to the Constitution affirming the individuals right to possess firearms for ostensibly, self protection but as and at the time the Constitution was written also, to protect the citizen from the State.
I know on no case where an assault or violent burglery at a home in which the victim protected themselves with their firearm where the victim was prosecuted. In fact, I re-call a case in Georgia where an elderly woman was assaulted by a burgler to her home, she shot him 'in the butt' as she proudly said and the local police chief applauded her bravery. The local township cited her with a civic commendation.
19

Canada,

Canada 27/06/2008 23:37:22
I just returned from a month in my native Scotland. My heart goes out to the grieving father and his family. In trains and streets I often felt threatened by young neds. I spoke out in the past placing myself in danger but now realise you get no backing. Queens Park where me and my ilk spent many a happy childhood year, now the scene of a brutal murder and a no go area. In towns and villages the police are absent as vandals and thugs take control. If you see the police it's like a wee boy and girl straight out the cubs and brownies. They coudn't tackle a fish supper. Politicians and liberals crying how a female chief constable got the job on merit when she has probably seen no more action than a hen party. Where are the days of the big polis that commanded and got respect? Waken up Scotland your policing is a disgrace and I am from a policing family. Stop being such wimps. Mr Muir continue in your son's memory your valiant crusade. And may peace be with you.

 

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