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Published Date: 18 June 2009
THE expenses scandal claimed another casualty last night, as a Treasury minister resigned from the government amid allegations that she avoided paying up to £17,000 of tax on the sale of her constituency home.
It was reported that Kitty Ussher "flipped" the designation of her second home shortly before selling it in 2007, avoiding capital gains tax.

In a letter to Gordon Brown, Ms Ussher said she had not abused the expenses system, but did not want to cause "any embarrassment" to the Prime Minister or his government.

However, her departure comes at an inconvenient time for Mr Brown, as he was hoping to start putting the expenses row behind him and shift the agenda back on to such policy areas as public spending and cuts.

It was reported last month that, within months of being elected in 2005, Ms Ussher asked Commons authorities to fund extensive refurbishment of her Victorian family home in South London, including the removal of a "bad taste" Artex ceiling.

She was moved to the post of Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury just 13 days ago in Mr Brown's latest reshuffle. She had served in a more junior role at the Treasury before spending nine months at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

Downing Street announced that Portsmouth North MP Sarah McCarthy-Fry was moving to the Treasury to replace Ms Ussher, after less than a fortnight at the Department for Communities and Local Government, where she was given responsibility for local democracy and council finance in the recent reshuffle.

A Number 10 spokesman said: "The Prime Minister has accepted the resignation of Kitty Ussher. Sarah McCarthy-Fry has been appointed as her replacement. A successor to Ms McCarthy-Fry will be announced in due course."

In her resignation letter to Mr Brown, Ms Ussher said she was leaving the government "with the greatest regret" but would remain as MP for Burnley until the coming election, when she was standing down from parliament "for family reasons".

Explaining her decision to quit, she wrote: "I arrived at this decision because I do not want to cause you or the government any embarrassment.

"I did not do anything wrong. At all times, my actions have been in line with HM Revenue and Customs' guidance and based on the advice of a reputable firm of accountants, who in turn were recommended by the House of Commons Fees Office. Neither have I abused the allowance system of the House of Commons in any way."

She added: "I support your leadership and am 100 per cent loyal to the Labour Party, which is why I do not wish to cause you or the party any difficulties."

Ms Ussher, 38, who has two children under five, said she came to the decision "some time ago" to leave parliament at the next election for family reasons.

She said in her letter: "The hours of parliament simply don't work with the kids. There is no other reason for this decision."

It was reported by the Daily Telegraph last night that Ms Ussher had redesignated a property in her Burnley constituency as her main home for one month before selling it in 2007, with the result that she did not have to pay capital gains tax at 40 per cent on the profits.

According to a letter from her accountant, Ms Ussher had previously named her home in south London to HM Customs and Excise as her main residence. She identified the Burnley house as her second home for parliamentary expenses claims.

In the letter, the accountant stated: "I am enclosing a declaration to vary your previous main residence election for a period of one month to (the Burnley home] and then back to (the London home]. The effect of varying the election is that (the Burnley home] will receive the final three years' main residence exemption and the gain will be completely exempt from capital gains tax provided (the Burnley home] is sold before April 2007."

The property was sold in March 2007 for £62,000, making Ms Ussher and her husband a profit of more than £40,000, the Telegraph reported. As it was classed as her main home, she was not liable for CGT, saving the couple a sum estimated at between £9,750 and £16,800. The procedure is legal, but has already caused problems for several MPs, including former communities secretary Hazel Blears, who repaid £13,000 to HMRC. Mr Brown described her avoidance of CGT as "totally unacceptable".

News of Ms Ussher's departure emerged on the eve of the publication by the Commons authorities of details of all MPs' expenses claims, and just moments before her boss, Chancellor Alistair Darling, rose to deliver one of his biggest set-piece speeches of the year at Mansion House in the City of London.

On arrival at Westminster at the 2005 election, Ms Ussher was swiftly promoted. She joined the Treasury as part of Mr Brown's first government after coming to power in June 2007, then moved to the DWP in October last year before returning to the Treasury this month.

Labour officials in Ms Ussher's constituency last night expressed shock at her decision to quit. Peter Pike, who preceded her as Burnley's MP for 22 years, and is now the constituency party chairman, said it was "totally unexpected".

EXTRACTS FROM HER SURPRISE RESIGNATION LETTER TO THE PM:

Dear Gordon,

It is with the greatest regret I have decided to resign from the government. I do not want to cause you or the government any embarrassment.

I did not do anything wrong. At all times my actions have been based on the advice of a reputable firm of accountants.

I decided some time ago, completely for family reasons, that I would not be putting my name forward to contest the next general election. The hours of parliament simply don't work with kids.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity and honour to serve in government. I have enjoyed every second of it.

Yours sincerely, Kitty Ussher MP



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1

Forward not Back,

18/06/2009 00:09:20
Another Treasury snout in the trough. What a surprise - not! After all, we have a Chancellor who needs an accountant to minimise his tax bills!
2

Curley Bill,

18/06/2009 00:16:35
And another one gone - another one bites the dust.
3

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

18/06/2009 00:21:01
Flippin' 'ell who's next?

The whole flippin lot of the flipping crooks, I hope!
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18/06/2009 00:22:59
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:26:16

Although disastrous, and quite frankly sad, all the expenses scandal is becoming one of a joke, every week we get a new episode.
This being the case, I have NO COMMENT, But!!!

Yep! there had to be one! :)

This is the first thing that came into my mind, when I read the 'Headline,....


...Half a pound of tuppenny rice,
Half a pound of treacle.
That’s the way the money goes,
Pop! goes the weasel.
Up and down the City road,
In and out the Eagle,
That’s the way the money goes,
Pop! goes the weasel.

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Conan the Librarian™,

18/06/2009 00:26:37
4
Morning kimba, long time no see.
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Forward not Back,

18/06/2009 00:27:26
On a side note, I note that no comments are allowed on the "Scotland would be broke even with oil" story. Is that because it is complete nonsense that no one believes any more?
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Conan the Librarian™,

18/06/2009 00:29:31
5
Hey Charles, how are you and the DYW doing?
(That nursery rhyme is about making and drinking gin in the eighteenth century by the way)
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Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:30:29
Hopefully her resignation letter was made up and isn't real. Otherwise we really are in trouble.
" I did not do anything wrong" - Treasury Minister swaps main home designation for a month in order to avoid paying CGT.
"Action based on advice of reputable accountants" - They don't exist. All shysters.
"Hours of parliament don't work for kids" - Folk on a sixth of her wage would jump at the chance of her hours.
#4nova
Scotland voted for the SNP. That's why we have an SNP government in Scotland and not a Labour government.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:42:04
Scotland £20 billion in the red even with all North sea Oil revenues for the past 3 decades ?????

Truly they think our heids button up the back and that we think the moon is made of cheese...

I'd laugh... but a government that serves up this kind of obfuscation and propaganda puts it on a par with any tinpot regime anywhere in the world. The sooner we get out from under it the better for all of us.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:43:51


Conan the Librarian™ ~8,

Thankyou for asking Conan, the answer is 'bearing-up' to the economic crisis, without the need to claim expenses, unlike some, one presumes, after reading all the scandal's of the claiming on expenses.

And 'ta' for the info on the rhyme, its just what came into my heed, thinking another Minister went 'POP', out the Box!

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Fred Leeson,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:48:31
#10 Vivas
Those tractor production statistics from our Dear Leader only help to make him look even more desperate than he is already. No wonder Mr Maddox won't let us comment.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 00:55:19

Vivas 10,

'Theft' legalised 'Theft'.

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18/06/2009 00:56:55
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senza nome,

18/06/2009 00:58:37
4. There are 38 Scottish Labour M.P.s out of 646.How are the Scots to blame for the current mess? Don't worry, there will be a lot less next time.
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18/06/2009 01:26:05
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Edward,

18/06/2009 01:27:58
I think the election will happen soner rather than later now.
Brown let slip a remark at PMQ's that 'as we go around explaining policy in the next few months' and now the article by Labour's mouthpiece David Maddox as to how Scotland would be £20 billion in the red even with North Sea Oil revenue. The story of course provided to Maddox by the Scotland Office and the TReasury. Labour only come out with guff stories in Election run ups.
No doubt Maddox will repeat this over the cming months in the vain hope that Scots, somehow are as thick as Labour think we are!
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Flabskin,

...Sherwood Forest 18/06/2009 01:29:56
#7
"On a side note, I note that no comments are allowed on the "Scotland would be broke even with oil" story. Is that because it is complete nonsense that no one believes any more?"

No. It's because it wasn't until after they had finished painstakingly concocting the farago of lies that somebody realised that "Scotland would be 20 billion in debt" actually looks like quite a good thing compared to "Scotland is 100 billion in debt thanks to our 'Union dividend' share of the UK's 1 trillion debt."
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Edward,

18/06/2009 01:32:43
To put the '£20 billion in the red even with North Sea Oil' story into perspective, Its like saying the Kuwaiti's are really worried that they have a shortfll in rfevenue due to their oil revenues not coming up to scratch. Remember the sizes of the North Sea and Kuwait oil fields are compatible. Scotland does have more oil still untapped, but Labour would not ike you to know that!
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Edward,

18/06/2009 01:34:36
When are the rest of Labour going to rfesign, they are as a whol a complete embaressment
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Julian.,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:39:08
What's even worse here than the cynical avoidance of tax is the complete incompetence of those who made up the rules.

It took me 30 seconds to think this one up: Why can't the rules be the same as those for people who move out a house, rent it out and then buy another? The CGT liability should be apportioned on the time an MP designates his/her house as the main residence.

So, in the case above, she would only avoid CGT on the month she had declared it as her main residence.

Anyone see any flaws in that one?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:42:55

OK! Soo subject matter that we are not allowed to comment on, spills onto this article.
Is it any Wonder we are not allowed to make comment?
Afterall!, Liquid-Gold, Why Moan!?, WE let it Happen, in the first Place, Stolen from 'under-our-feet', does not say much for us!

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Julian.,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:44:26
#20 Edward,

Absolute rubbish. Where did you get that info? Kuwait has an estimated 96 trillion barrels of oil untapped whereas UK has 4 trillion.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_res-energy-oil-reserves
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:46:57

Julian ~22,

Gosh Julian!, that took you 'one-more-unemployed' according to the article in this Paper, about our fated Doom!


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Julian.,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:47:17
Sorry, meant to say billions...but the point still stands.
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Julian.,

edinburgh 18/06/2009 01:55:14
Hi Charles,

Yes funny. I was just thinking about that article.

What a piece of sensationalist tosh designed to grab your attention. The sort of thing which probably adds to the recession. They could equally have said "jobless rise lower than predicted" but I suppose that doesn't sell papers.

The headline implies that a person loses their job every 30 seconds. But how many people get a job in that time? And how often was a person losing their job this time last year? Without all that it means abolutely nothing.

As I said...sensationalist tosh.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 02:19:00

Julian ~27,

"sensationalist tosh", or not!, I just want a mathematician, to make comment to when 'Britain-Stands-Still'.
One Needs to know, so that one is prepared for Judgement-Day!

:((

:))

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somerferg,

perth 18/06/2009 02:25:08

He, he - another snout out of the trough. At this rate Britain will be able to pay its way out of the recession with all the money saved from these parasites.

p.s. interesting - its not possible any more to sign in and make comment on the Gorbals Mike story - wonder why??
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ScottishIndependence,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 02:27:05
For a full list of who claimed what visit

http://www.oilofscotland.org/scotlands_news.asp
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Castaway™ ,

18/06/2009 03:07:31
On morning of 18 June the public will be able to view printed documents and receipts relating to MPs’ allowances which will be published on the Parliament website relating to MPs’ claims dating back to 2004/05 and up to 2007/08.:::http://tinyurl.com/mouw8m

Why not before 2004/05 ?

Commons Speaker Michael Martin allowed officials to destroy claim forms and receipts up to April 2005 - meaning thousands of expenses have been secretly shredded.
But the authorities said the shredding was simply "routine destruction" - and not a cover up. MailonLine 18 May 2008

The Commons authorities said last week they had destroyed all documents for MPs up to April 2004. Some of Blair's claims, which the High Court had ruled should be made public, were shredded after The Sunday Times requested them. 8 Jun 2008 Times
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 03:45:38
i see the skull is dishing out lies on broons behalf
20 billion in the red?,well how come westminster wants every penny of the revenues?,why did calman lie about the revenues?
gordon brown,son of the manse?,his dad couldnt have been very good at doing the lords work,when he couldnt even teach gordon,that telling lies is a sin
yet he spouts bigger porkies,than a triple BLT
labour is gloating that mr martins seat will vote labour as they are in a good mood,as 2000 more votes were cast at the euro than the snp got,so by labour logic the seat is already won
mandy the great satan whispers sweet nothings to broon,and tells him he can win the next election
just spend more oil revenue in south of england,create new jobs in england only
promise scots the moon thatcher style,and when the scottish labour mps are returned to westminster
deny and cut spending in scotland,and blame an snp scottish gov for it
if brown was selling something ,the way he tells us lies ,he would be charged under the trades discription act for falsley claiming something as being really good,when in fact its total rubbish
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/06/2009 05:30:04
Even if this figures about a £20 billion was correct, after all the Unionists have never lied about the oil have they,(McCrone Report) this number is meaningless without comparing it to our current state of affairs of having remained in the UK and having a share of the deficit that currently stands close to a Trillion.

I would hope the Scottish Government would use this £20 billion figure as the starting point for what should be our share of the UK debt when we leave. Thanks Murphy.

The timing of this shows that it is a poorly thought out attempt to deflect the public's attention from the GERS figures set to be released today. These will show that had Scotland been on its own in 2007/2008 we would be sitting on a massive surplus.
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donald,

glasgow 18/06/2009 05:56:53
Wjile the Telegraph is exposing everybody the "Scottish" meejah is still protecting David Marshall and co.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

18/06/2009 07:20:42
32 brianmca3

“.... labour is gloating that mr martins seat will vote labour as they are in a good mood,as 2000 more votes were cast at the euro than the snp got,so by labour logic the seat is already won”

Labour seem to be intent in trying to perpetuate the myth that they did well in Martin’s constituency at the Euro election.

From the City of Glasgow web-site, European Elections.

The following votes are for the political party not the candidate


Constituency: Glasgow North

HUDGHTON, Ian Scottish National Party (SNP) 3,447

MARTIN, David Weir The Labour Party 3,073


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Proximaking,

Eberdeen 18/06/2009 07:24:29
http://spluch.blogspot.com/2007/02/using-candles-to-generate-electricity.html

What's all this talk of oil? What's that? Scotland was always famed for the brains and resourcefulness of its people, not for wrecking the planet by burning a "natural" resource. Now I can think of a million ways of fiddling this, so what would be the point of fiddling it? There is an ac one too on the net, same guy. If only it were that simple eh! Of course candles, nails, etc sounds a bit too much like religion for some. Strangely Pons and Fleishman and Tesla's Pierce Arrow car from the 30's also used two "rods". Spare the rod and spoil the child. Maybe you aren't allowed to discuss oil theft because it matters not a damn in any sustainable future and if it isn't sustainable why be a part of it or take part in even discussing it?

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/01/06/crackpot-or-genius-has-a-shell-boffin-stumbled-on-a-scientific-breakthrough/

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns!!

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Phil C,

18/06/2009 07:25:07
We continue to witness the greatest abuse of demcracy perpetrated on this country in living memory. How this rotten rabble of flippers, fraudsters, electoral also-rans and general greedy pigs can even begin to think they still have a mandate to govern is beyond me and most that I know, even Labour supporters!
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Castaway™ ,

18/06/2009 07:46:43
Allowances by MP - Thursday 18 June 2009

Below is an alphabetical list of current Members of Parliament. The link, called 'Allowances', which is on the right hand side of each name takes you to a page containing edited scans of documents submitted in support of claims made against::::http://tinyurl.com/myplcp
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Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 07:48:19
As a former teacher, I found myself frequently dealing with daft weans who would commit all sorts of misdemeanours and then claim that they had done nothing wrong.One of the best examples I remember concerned a particularly stupid individual who let of a rocket in the school bus one Guy Fawkes day to the danger of the other 40 kids on the bus. He initially denied all knowledge but faced with the testimony of 40 other kids to the contrary he eventualy admitted the deed but claimed he had done nothing wrong - backed up by his mum. This story came to my mind when I read about the fall of the house of Ussher. I dont know what ever became of the recalcitrant pupil. I must check the list of MPs just in case.
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Boab1,

18/06/2009 07:58:05
I think we can treat the oil story with the contempt it deserves bearing in mind the bare-faced lies Scotland has been fed over the years.

As to expenses the BBC pointed out this morning, having looked at some of the details published today that with the amount that's been 'blacked out' we wouldn't know what we know if it hadn't been for the Telegraph even if all had already been made public on HoC website.
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Boswall,

18/06/2009 08:09:14
Will Salmond resign for seemingly claiming his London food allowance while abroad?

Surely he's not a thieving hypocrite....?
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 08:10:20


A quick question for all those who criticise MPs for avoiding tax by flipping their homes.

Would you volunteer to pay more tax than you have to?

Honestly?

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Linda,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 08:18:16
Why are we not allowed to comment on Scotland Ofice's fiddled figures on oil revenues?

From Clydebuilt



STV 6 o'clock Scottish News Wednesday 17th's edition

Employment: the rise in Scottish unemployment was analysed. Expert opinions were sought from Jim Murphy and Theresa May... naturally. Given it was unemployment in Scotland, you would have expected someone from The Scottish Government to be interviewed. I suppose the editor didn't want to hear an SNP person telling Scots that unemployment in Scotland is lower than in England.

Scottish Futures Trust: this article gave air to Andy Kerr, Murdo Fraser and Mark Hellowell, from Edinburgh University's Centre for International Public Health Policy, all talking down the Scottish Government's SFT.
Yet again there was no SNP spokesperson.

Last night's coverage of the demonstrations in Iran by the Iranian State Broadcaster ISB was better balanced than this bilge from STV. The ISB showed the opposition demonstrators marching through Tehran whilst in Scotland our own STV didn't let anyone from the Scottish Government speak. Is Scotland the only country in the world where it's the elected government that can't get air time?
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 08:20:44
#46


'Why are we not allowed to comment on Scotland Ofice's fiddled figures on oil revenues?'


Don't the SNP have their own forum for party members?

Why don't you go and post on that?




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MNS,

Scotland 18/06/2009 08:28:13
A Politician's 'excuse'. When the 'brown stuff' hits the fan - blame someone else - 'Accountants & Kids'.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/06/2009 08:29:32
Stan Butler,18/06/2009 08:10:20:-

States:-

"A quick question for all those who criticise MPs for avoiding tax by flipping their homes.

Would you volunteer to pay more tax than you have to?

Honestly?"


You should become an Attorney. You'd obviously win every case with that line.

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Roy,

18/06/2009 08:36:04
Ussher: 'I decided some time ago, completely for family reasons, that I would not be putting my name forward to contest the next general election.'

News report: Labour officials in Ms Ussher's constituency last night expressed shock at her decision to quit. Peter Pike, who preceded her as Burnley's MP for 22 years, and is now the constituency party chairman, said it was "totally unexpected".

So with an election possible in the autumn, she's not even straight with her own constituency party? Or she never had any intention of standing down until she was caught on the make? You decide.
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letmein,

hinterland 18/06/2009 08:38:15
Why is there no discussion allowed on the supposed £20 billion shortfall in oil revenue for Scotland that skeletor backs. This paper is fas becoming a unionist joke. I dont think I have read such rubbish.
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Tartan Viking,

18/06/2009 08:38:38
#50. MPs are incapable of telling the truth. Their lies are endemic I'm afraid.
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TWC,

exLabour 18/06/2009 08:39:45
Smee, GERS does not include actual figures and is dependent on Ratios for some of its assumptions, so you cannot take the OIl & Gaswrevs on their own.
Only when you take all theactual figures is it possible to assess Scotland ability to thrive or not.
e.g taxes paid by Scots directly to England are not actuals in any Gers report.
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KampungHighlander,

18/06/2009 08:44:38
The text off an email that I just sent the Scotsman

Dear Sir/Madam,

Why have you refused to allow comments on the story “Row erupts over £20bn North Sea oil cash shortfall claims” by David Maddox, dated June 18th 2009.
I have checked on the Scottish Office website and there is no sign of any paper that would confirm Mr. Maddox’s assertions. The assertions made in the article show the typical anti-Scottish bias that accompanies most articles written by Mr. Maddox. Even if this paper by the Scottish Office actually does exist, I am in no way certain that they do, and the numbers are correct, then you should allow people to comment on a couple of glaring oversights in Mr. Maddox’s analysis.

Particularly why he did not compare the figure in the article with the actual debt that Scotland has accumulated in the same period as part of the UK. To allow such oversights to go uncommented on would see your Newspaper reduced to nothing more than a vehicle for dishonest propaganda.

Regards,

KampungHighlander

I would recommend that all of you that think that it is unfair that they are not allowing comments on the 20 Billion Oil Story also email the Scotsman.

letters_ts@scotsman.com
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 08:45:17

51 letmein

You can post your comments here:-

http://www.snp.org/home/
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JayJay,

Right here 18/06/2009 08:46:55
#44
Stan, I'd love to have the chance.
The point is that our elected MP's, our lawmakers, have created a system where it's one set of (tax avoiding) rules for them, and another for us. If you, as a private individual, tried to diddle the Revenue with a tax claim for food, home flipping and sundry other usually non deductables, you would be on the receiving end of a quite intrusive tax investigation.
These guys should be setting the standard, not slipping in and out of loopholes they themselves created - then claiming "I did nothing wrong". Despite all the duck houses, rot removal in homes 100 miles away, phantom shelves and such like, they still don't get it do they?
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Phil C,

18/06/2009 08:47:31
#44 Stan. What a surprise. You obviously share Labour's immoral and dishonest streak!

You don't volunteer to pay tax. It's your responsibility. When, like Darling, you set the taxes, you must be seen to be even more responsible. He and others have been deceitful by flippin' avoiding tax. It's called fraud and several have resigned or been pushed out, mainly the Labour ladies!

For some reason the same rules don't apply to wee badger Alistair or the Balls-ups amongst other flippers.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 08:48:14
#55 KampungHighlander


You can post your comments here:-

http://www.cybergnatnutters.org
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Linda,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 08:48:21
Scotland Office figures no doubt add in Scotland's "share" of Iraq War and Nuclear Weapons and many other policies that would not be adopted by any Scottish government irrespective of its political persuation.

Even if Scotland had a deficit of £20 billion it is peanuts when compared to the failed economic policies of Westminster UK is £1.5 trillion in debt and pPublic net debt hits record 47.8% of GDP - set to rise to 100%
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 08:50:35
#58 Phil C,


It's not fraud.

It's not illegal.

Everyone with half a brain would do it if they were presented with the opportunity.

Do you pay more tax than you need to?

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Flabskin,

18/06/2009 08:50:53
#47:
"Don't the SNP have their own forum for party members?"

Thanks for this very framk admission, Stan, that 'The Hootsdross' is in fact nothing more than the Labour Party (North British branch) internal lie-sheet.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 18/06/2009 08:53:18
Why the continuing silence over Marshallgate, Davidsongate, Connartygate and not forgetting GrayandMoffatLabourownedConstituencyOfficerentcharge severaltimesmarketrentgate?
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 08:55:43
64 JoeMcT,


There is a difference between evasion and avoidance.

Do you volunteer to pay more tax than you need to?

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Andy Ritchie's left boot,

18/06/2009 08:56:38
Why are no comments allowed on the story about Scotland's economy and oil revenues? I think we all know the answer to that rhetorical question...

Jim "Lurch"Murphy is a LIAR and a disgrace to Scotland. Does he expect us to give any credence to this "report", coming as it does from the same sort of source as suppressed the McCrone report of the 1970s? Clearly it is a load of dishonest propaganda. It is bad enough to be lied to by Westminster politicians, but for the cheerleaders against Scotland to be Scots themselves is utterly disgraceful.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:00:08
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The SNP have a policy of having their members bombard public message boards with party propaganda.

It's part of the HVP strategy.

Newspapers aren't obliged to provide you with a platform.

There used to be an SNP supporting paper in Scotland.

It lasted for seven issues.

Perhaps you should have another go and start a newspaper that will tow your party line.


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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 18/06/2009 09:06:38
#45 Hagbard Celine

"2006/7 oil & gas tax revenue: £9.1bn
2007/8 oil & gas tax revenue: £7.8bn"

You missed:

"2008/9 oil & gas tax revenue: £13 Billion"

"The figures for 2006/07, 2007/08 and 2008/09 are provisional estimates; the forecasts for 2009/10 are consistent with the April 2009 Budget"

So you are passing of estimates as facts, and even those estimates look pretty suspect

"they assume an average oil price of $46.7 per barrel in 2009."

Its 2009 and the price is $70 per barrel.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 09:07:03
just saw a bloke on breakfast tv state that 1p on petrol brings in 1billion extra a day for darling
now how would scotland lose 20 billion with all the revenues?
they never added all the vat on all the offshoots that come from refining crude oil
petrol deisel,plastics,etc all carry vat when made into goods and sold to the public
more stories than jackanory from brown,
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Herry Oaksters,

18/06/2009 09:07:45
67.
Clown posting the usual rubbish.
TROLL.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/06/2009 09:09:51
On Maddox's £20 billion rubbish.

Maddox contradicts the McCrone report commissioned by the British government and suppressed because of its content.

The report stated:-

"What is quite clear is that the balance of payments gain from North Sea oil would easily swamp the existing deficit whatever its size and transform Scotland into a country with a substantial and chronic surplus."

Anyone care to speculate on Maddox's claims and a quote from Josef Goebbels:-

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

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nostress,

grangemouth 18/06/2009 09:12:15
Stan - this is where you and I will never see eye to eye. You say that tax avoidance is not a crime...well in the eyes of the law that may be so, but, for a Minister of the Crown to indulge in such immoral behaviour is in my mind unacceptable. These are the very people who should be setting a good example to the people they serve, but almost without exception, they seem to expend cvonsiderable efforts looking for ways to defraud the very people they are meant to serve. If you as an upholder of the Union are happy with such behaviour then that merely confirms my belief that your values are rotten to the core.

These Ministers of the Crown who defraud the public purse are on a par with those who abuse the benefits system - indeed I would go further and say they are worse, because they commit fraud out of choice and greed and not out of necessity.
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TWC,

exLabour 18/06/2009 09:13:31
I have been trying for 5 years to find out what happened to the senior Civil servants who lied on Oil the figures in the 70s. The letter is still travelling around Westminster looking for a Labour Cabinet Minister with a backbone to answer it. My MP has chased it no later than the 17th March this year.

When it gets up close and personal none of them want to answer the question.
The last response was Mr Murphy on and my MP apologised for his failure to answer the 70's question.
You'd have thought it would form part of any subsequent study.


I don't care if we don't get Independence but we must get control of our Finances and I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why SLAB do not want this control at Holyrood.




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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:14:32
74 nostress

You're a self righteous, sanctimonious hypocrite.

You don't volunteer to pay more tax than you need to but you expect others to do so.

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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 09:15:02
if you dont vote labour,have your union levy given to charity,stop buying papers that support labour,once they start losing sales in big numbers ,advertisers drop out,a newspaper is supposed to report the news on a balanced report
the facts ,not some boozed up labourite/tory/fib dem supporter
if a celtic supporting hack covered the old firm game and rangers won say 4-0 he would be stating celtic were robbed,dodgy ref etc,yet those who watched it live saw nothing but a clean game,that is the same with scottish politics,the west coast with its labour hard core,thinks it has some god given right to govern,and watch out anyone from another party win seats in their wee cosy set up
thats how the likes of mugabe works,is this what most want for scotland ,to be treated like mushrooms,kept in the dark and fed on horse manure?
broon would make hitler proud of him,with all his disimformation etc
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:16:35

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Are you a member of the SNP?


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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/06/2009 09:21:38
Sad Butler's ethics are an example of the very essence of British moral standards from which Scotland must secede.

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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:26:52
77 brianmca3,


Why did the SNP supporting Scottish Standard survive for only seven issues?
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:28:24

79

Do you volunteer to pay more tax than you need to?

If not why do you expect others to do so?

Is it because you are a hypocrite?


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John S,

18/06/2009 09:28:25
#54 TWC:GERS does not include actual figures and is dependent on Ratios for some of its assumptions,

From Ian Lang, the then Secretary of State for Scotland, in a letter to the then Prime Minister John Major and Chancellor Kenneth Clarke on March 3rd 1992
"The booklet I have had prepared and printed, setting out the details of the government's expenditure and revenue in Scotland. I judge that it is just what is needed at present in our campaign to maintain the initiative and undermine the other parties. This initiative could score against all of them".

Government Expenditure and Revenue in Scotland 2002-03
For public receipts, GERS relies on numerous sources. Many taxes are collected centrally and their distribution by region is often unavailable. Consequently, GERS uses appropriate survey data to estimate Scotland's share of the various revenue sources. For details on the methodology see Appendix B of the publication.16/12/2004
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Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 18/06/2009 09:32:42
#74 Nostress. What an excellent way of putting it. I see that Mr Butler at #76 still can't see that there is a problem with it. No wonder the UK is in such a mess, he is probably one of these people whose main goal in life is to ride the system to the limit and keep hoping his lottery numbers come up.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/06/2009 09:35:50
81 Sad Butler,18/06/2009 09:28:24

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"Do you volunteer to pay more tax than you need to?"

I do not make false claims to pay less tax than I have to, unlike the lying thieving scumbag politicians that you attempt to defend with that ludicrous question.

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nostress,

grangemouth 18/06/2009 09:37:25
#76 Thank you Stan. You are quite correct - I pay the amount of tax I'm due to pay and hopefully not a penny more. However, the crucial point is that I pay what I am due. I do not seek to avoid paying what I am due - unlike the Labour Ministers of the Crown, who bend and twist in order to avoid paying their due.

You see in my sanctimonious hypocritical way I think tax avoidance is immoral. It's called having a developed sense of civic duty. I know that's an alien concept in your Labour world, but I can't help it.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:39:10
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Do you volunteer to pay more tax than you need to?

Do you sit down and write a cheque to HMRC for more than you are legally obliged to do at the end of the tax year?

I suspect you don't.

I suspect that like every other person on the planet you pay no more than you have to.

Yet you want to apply a different standard to others.

You expect others not to minimise their tax liability. To pay more tax than they need to.

You're a hypocrite, aren't you?

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TWC,

exLabour 18/06/2009 09:40:04
82 John S,

I don't know if you are supporting or disagreeing John?

I am not sure how many of the Gers figures fall into this category although I ws aware that a ratio was applied to personal taxes, I used to be responsible for the presentation of stats for assurance purposes and I know that when data is subjected to manipulation it is the manipulator who decides what the picture will look like.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:42:22
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Have your financial arrangements ever been such that you have been in a position to minimise your tax liability?

Or are we talking about a purely hypothetical position for you?

Because it's easy to take the moral high ground in a hypothetical world.

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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:44:40
86

The fact that you refer to 'false claims' just shows you don't understand how the CGT election for second homes works.

'Where ignorance is bliss
'tis folly to be wise'

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TWC,

exLabour 18/06/2009 09:52:54
92 nova albion5,

We have plenty of oil and if guys like you aren't careful and the Nats win, they will be selling you Oil, Gas, Electricity and Water. All of which are surplus here and short in England.
If the Euro laws on Banking were implemented London would shut down and the demise of England would be complete.
If you want the union you need to be more positive about Scotland.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:54:55
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You seem to think that the SNP would have been governing an independent Scotland for the last 27 years.

An interesting insight into the cybergnat mindset.



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Nevsky;,

Moscow 18/06/2009 09:57:41
Kimba is on fine form today...our resident Vicky Pollard.
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Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 18/06/2009 09:57:44
#92 That's the problem with "we in England", all talk and no delivery. Please, I beg you, make our day.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 09:59:15
94 spagan

If you owned two houses and could minimise your CGT liability by nominating one, rather than the other, as your main residence for tax purposes you would do so.

Everyone would.

Why expect politicians to behave differently?



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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 18/06/2009 10:01:21
Re:this article.
This is the same Westminster Treasury department that called on Scotland to be fiscally responsible??

Wee Wuman!! You may have not broken any rules - but you were certainly dishonest. And, of course, that difference would probably escape your mental grasp.

A Iranian election is more honest than a Labour politician.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 10:07:09
100 spagan

Save the sermon on morality until you come to sell one of your houses.

As I said it's easy to take the moral high ground in a hypothetical world.


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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 18/06/2009 10:09:46
#95
One thing is for sure, Scotland wouldn't have been run by English parties running off to London asking their masters what to do next.

I look forward to see the make up of truly Scottish political parties.
I look forward not seeing English MP's coming up to Scotland to campaign against nationalism in the Holyrood election - at tax payers expense.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 10:11:19
#91 UNISON told blair in 98 that PFI would leave the assets in the builders hands,and joe public would pay generation after generation
Secretaries' Report

Services fighting for existence

The lead up to the Scottish Parliament has seen the branch making a significant contribution to a number of consultation exercises, not least the Commission on Local Government and the Scottish Parliament.

The implications of the Parliament and it's relationship with local government, will have a major impact on our services and their delivery.

Consultation is ongoing and the branch will continue to try to ensure that we get the Parliament that our members want, one that will work, and will ensure public services are publicly owned, democratically run and properly resourced

The Scotland Act embraced the principles of access for all, engaging the community, and delivering services at the level closest to the people. What we have seen, though, as members of the various political parties jostle for seats, is a transparent willingness to sell out public services in favour of what can be shallow and limited national party lines.

Since the referendum, UNISON has constantly had to defend local services. Attempts to hive off services to the private sector, create arms length trusts, and discredit local service delivery, together with massive budget cuts, have meant we have had to fight for our very existence.

PFI: And one of the biggest cons is the Private Finance Initiative. The idea of new schools or hospitals is tempting until you realise the cost is far higher than public investment, the private companies end up owning the assets, other services are cut to pay for the private profits and our children end up paying through the nose for tens of years.

The branch has tried to expose the PFI illusion through newspaper articles, talks to Labour Party branches and seminars.
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nostress,

grangemouth 18/06/2009 10:15:08
#89 My financial arrangements are frankly none of your business. I repeat I have never made any attempt to avoid paying due tax despite advice from certain colleagues to do so, as I have the quaint idea that my taxes help to provide the kind of societal structure I want to see. If I hit hard times I would like to think that the necessary support might be there - this has to be paid for. I am very fortunate in that I have never needed to make use of this until now, but I feel I have a responsibility to pay my way when I can.

Your comments in this forum so far would indicate you are an unhappy soul - but excessive greed and self-interest as espoused by your good self can often lead to such feelings. I wish you well.
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The Strategist,

18/06/2009 10:18:26
Can anyone tell me exactly what happened to all the oil revenues? Did we get any real benefit out of it? Can anyone clearly identify something that can be related to oil revenues?
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 18/06/2009 10:18:36
Stan Butler:

The difference is that these houses have been bought and maintained at tax payers expenses. When sold, the profits go straight into the politician's pockets.

And YES, I DO expect politicians to behave differently.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 10:20:51
no the real scandal is that a country like scotland,can have very valuable resorces ,and yet let its next door neighbour hive off the cream,and be expected to accept crumbs of comfort
unions and labour have consistently lied about oil,iraq etc
their party has more crooked elected members than any other
yet they sit and blame,lie and cheat as an means to an end
wonder what results would show if brown and co did a lie detector test about oil and iraq etc
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 18/06/2009 10:22:05
#104
NO! NO! NO!. You have it wrong. Haven't you heard, Sir Ek claims THREE salaries. It's true, I read it in the Scotsman.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 18/06/2009 10:26:57
#104
It was an article copied and pasted by David Maddox - so it must be true.
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watcher,

Prestonpans 18/06/2009 10:27:31
He can also eat in two cities at the same time
http://mpsallowances.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/hocallowances/allowances-by-mp/alex-salmond/
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 10:54:57
Naughty little Labour piggy.
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Fitba Krazy,

18/06/2009 10:55:12
Shock! Horror!! MP on the make.

I think they've got the £20Bi££ion deficit mixed up a wee bit here. The alleged £20Bi££ion deficit is more likely to be the amount the Labour Party has siphoned off and spent on multi-colour brochures on how wonderful they are and how we should be proud to have them doing all this amazing work, some of it unpaid, on our behalf since we don't have a scoob about money and stuff like that, big hooses, chauffeur driven private jets tae fancy places are definitely best left to them to pursue on our behalf. So it's money well spent if you ask me.
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alanh,

ek 18/06/2009 10:59:20
"I did not do anything wrong. At all times, my actions have been in line with HM Revenue and Customs' guidance and based on the advice of a reputable firm of accountants,"
did she get that on expenses too?
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 10:59:27
the real shame in all this is the scandal has tainted the late robin cook mp for livingston
edinburgh sucks wrote the following tribute to at least the only labour mp with an ounce of honour
Robin was a councillor in Edinburgh between 1971 and 1974 and first entered Parliament as MP for Edinburgh Central in 1974. Since 1983 he has been MP for Livingston and he held the following posts during his most honourable Parliamentary career:

Opposition Spokesman, Treasury and Economic Affairs 1980-83.
Opposition Spokesman, European and Community Affairs 1983-84.
Opposition Spokesman, Health and Social Security 1987-89.
Shadow Health Secretary 1989-92.
Shadow Trade and Industry Secretary 1992-94.
Shadow Foreign Secretary 1994-97.
Foreign Secretary 1997-2001.
Leader of the House of Commons 2001 – March 2003 .
Robin resigned as Leader of the House of Commons and member of the cabinet in the lead-up to the conflict in Iraq in protest over Tony Blair’s decision to go to war. Robin Cook was a politician of principle who fought hard for the things he believed in. He will be greatly missed.

Edinburgh is a much poorer and sadder city today without the knowledge and integrity of Mr. Cook.
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redcliffe62,

18/06/2009 11:02:07
how many days since this rag printed a story on david marshall and why he resigned. err, i guess we are still waiting.
meanwhile, having oil is a bad thing according to mad dog and a good thing we got the english to spend the money and support scotland or scotland would be further in debt. as per spud's press release.
comments not allowed; i wonder why. mad dog at his best.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 11:05:50
devine is not fit to even lace cooks boots,he may have got robin cook elected as his agent,but robin was a rare breed of politition,sadly devine for all his time working for robin cook ,never took a leaf from his book
i dont and never will support labour but credit is due to the late MP,that such a parasitic flea like devine should suck upon the good name of cook,and line his pockets like a fagan
scrooge would have bowed to devine as a master of skinflint doings
whats he going to do now?,boot sales shouting "get yer shelves here,only 3 for pound","as featured in the scotsman,and newsnight"
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John S,

The Pans 18/06/2009 11:19:56
From the MPs allowance official published listings 18 June 2009, these are a sample of Scottish Labour Party Constituency MPs who claimed for the food allowance during part of the summer recess of Parliament ?

Alistair Darling 1 Aug 2006 to 31 Aug 2006 £300
Anne Moffat 1 Aug 2007 to 31 Aug 2007 £400
Anne McGuire 1 July 2006 to 31 Sept 2006 £800
Michael Martin 1 Aug 2005 to 31 Oct 2005 £200 pm
Brian Donohoe 16 Aug 2006 to 31 Aug 2006 £200
Jim Devine 1 Aug 2007 to 31 Aug 2007 £ 300
Jim Murphy 1 Aug 2005 to 30 Sept 2005 £600
Jim Murphy 1 Aug 2004 to 31 Aug 2004 £400

I ended up with a sair heid because there was just too many claims to look at.

Some of the MPs above and others also claimed food allowances outwith or inclusive of the above dates.

The claiming of the food allowance was legal and the MPs did nothing wrong but I didn't like how our FM was treated or singled out with no comparison to other Scottish MPs and I hope that Annabel Goldie will pursue the above food allowance claims etc with the same vigor as she has already shown.
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Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 18/06/2009 11:21:17
#106 The Strategist,

Can anyone tell me exactly what happened to all the oil revenues?

Well, I don't think anyone could list all the benifits that have flowed South with the oil. Visit London and see a rebuilt city of wealth, spending the revenue like there is no tomorrow. Take a journey from London to Europe on the Channel Tunnel link, try not to remember the promise that it would run North into Scotland. See Heathrow, in fact all you will see is that Britain only exists in the South East of England.
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 18/06/2009 11:26:45
101# LABOUR MAN BUTLER.YOUR HISTORY!

WHO PAYS YOU TO WRITE THIS GARBAGE?

WHATS YOUR MEMBERSHIP No?

GO WASH YOUR BIG MOUTH OUT,TRY ELUDRIL.

POOR OLD NORWAY THEY ONLY HAVE ABOUT £200 BILLION IN THEIR OIL FUND.
THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME AS SCOTLAND,AND GIVEN IT AWAY TO GREEDY LONDON.

ITS AMAZING HOW PROPAGANDA WORKS,IT HAS COST SCOTLAND BILLIONS OF LOST STERLING.

SO NO MORE PROPAGANDA,JUST FACTS!

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 18/06/2009 12:02:16
Many people happen to believe that Scotland could make it alone without North Sea oil. The question is: could England? Obviously many unionists think not!

Still, it would be useful to have control of what oil is left, in order to get our country up and running again, after all the damage Brown and Darling have caused.

One UK job now being lost every 30 seconds! Every time Brown pauses to suck air (between his lies and soundbites), that's another ordinary, hard-working life ruined.
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Fitba Krazy,

18/06/2009 12:02:30
Who is this "Spud" guy anyway?

Is he in the Scottish Government we voted for?

No? Well, what the flipping heck is he on about then and on whose behalf?

Who put him on a false pedestal to undermine us?

Are we supposed to think that they are so considerate as to really care about our welfare when we haven't even voted for them?.... That's because they made a complete Bosh of it, btw.

Do they not realise we don't need them?

It looks like he is a planted imposter. What else can it possibly be?
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Fitba Krazy,

18/06/2009 12:15:57
128 nova albion5.

You are just the sort of person we need running our country for us. It's so plain to see that there is not much point in saying any more about it.

You are such an amazing person and just the sort we need.
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Skatedad,

Back from France. 18/06/2009 12:20:32
brianmca3,
auld reekie

Robin Cook still owes me £5:70 for a taxi fare.
I picked up Mr Cook from his house in Clermiston when I was a cabbie with City Cabs in the 70's.I did not have enough change at that time of the morning for the note he gave me so I gave Mr Cook my card with my name and company number,hoping for payment later. I am still waiting!!!!
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malcyh,

18/06/2009 12:23:40
#98 Maybe you would. But you certainly would nomintae one and nominate another for expenses thus effectively winning twice. After all you can only be in one place at a time.
Nothing short of FRAUD. Hazel Blears repaid, I wounder if Ussher will?
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williamx,

Canada 18/06/2009 12:43:17
Another day, another super greaseball. What else is new. In Iran the population goes to the streets and forces the gov to reconsider. In the UK, nothing happens. You truly merit the statement- covered in bovine manure and kept in the dark.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

18/06/2009 12:45:42
132 Quisling Gogs,

I did not catch that programme as I was watching Mr Salmond swatting the feeble opposition aside at FMQ’s.

Questions regarding climate change, new school building and sentencing policy over knife crime were all handled with aplomb and an array of statistics pointing to the SNP success in these areas.

It was particularly interesting to note the crass behaviour from the Labour side during the question from the MSP for the Western Isles regarding the recently announced job losses at the MOD base in Benbecula.

All potential voters should be encouraged to watch this programme and to observe the reality of the Labour Party in action.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 12:45:53
131 malcyh

You don't understand how elections for CGT work, do you?

You nominate a property. That's it. It's a free choice. It's up to you which one you chose.

No fraud.

You'd do the same if the opportunity presented itself.


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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 12:47:53
135 dunedin

'the question from the MSP for the Western Isles regarding the recently announced job losses at the MOD base in Benbecula.'


How many of those jobs would be left if Scotland leaves the Union?



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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 12:50:51
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There's nothing worse than a hypocrite.


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Willie S,

Ed-Edinburgh 18/06/2009 12:53:50
#132 And what is wrong with examining St.Alex's expenses? You Nats can't get your head round the fact that SNP policies and politicians need to be scrutinised can you?

Be careful what you wish for. Since the SNP wan't to keep the English pound as our currency, once Labour is wiped out David Cameron will have complete control of the pound and hence the Scottish ecomony. Independence will amount to Tory rule. Oh for a nationalist with a grasp of economics.

Wait a minute- there is one- Alex Salmond. Who advocates keeping the pound! (i.e. you are NOT actually independent at all!)

Wha's like us! Guy few , and their all ecomonic idiots!
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 12:54:09
How is it we cannae comment on the Busby babe gnat nutter story?

That's a pure diabolical liberty, so it is.

A'm gonnae write an email tae somebudy.


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dunedin bully wee 1877,

18/06/2009 13:04:29
136 Stan Butler

Due to my profession I am probably more aware than most of the workings of both CGT and any other UK tax you care to mention.

The question regarding Ms Ussher’s actions is not whether it was legal (it was), but whether it was either moral or appropriate.

Incidentally, did Ms Ussher claim her accountant’s fees on expenses?
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

18/06/2009 13:15:10
137 Stan Butler

As with all other independent North West European nations, Scotland would require a National Defence Force.

Benbecula is strategically placed to provide a base for some element of this force, whether that by land based or more probably air-force.

I have no doubt that at least the current element of civilian employment could be maintained or even increased when this eventually happens.
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Machelpus,

18/06/2009 13:19:08
Vivas 10#~~~~~~ Good Grief man who the bl00dy heck, do you think is running this country???? they are your kinfolk so it could be said we would like to see the back of them more than you cos matey they are going to end up back with you, then the laugh will be on you thats for sure.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 18/06/2009 13:21:42
Unlike with MPs the general public cannot nominate a main residence for capital gains tax purposes. It will always be the property which the facts indicate to be the main residence and is based upon the evidence of residency where prinicipal personal mail is sent to, length of time, voters roll entry. These will identify the main residence and it is not possible to acquire a new main residence without establishing the abandonmeent of the previous in some way. By having mail redirected , going on to a new voters roll, notifying the tax office of a change of address, moving your bank accounts details, telling DVLA of car and licence changes etc. You cannot just make the house you are just selling your main residence merely by saying so. There must be proof that it is your main residence.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 18/06/2009 13:29:51
#130 sorry you didnt get your fare,that wasnt nice ,i remember my late father in law ,got eleanor mcglochlan(cant remember how its spelt)when she was provost,in his cab,getting outside her home,he made a cheeky remark,"oh look a fancy lamp post,must think their the provost or something"
she had a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp
no tip and she waited till he scoured his change bag and pockets for a 2p coin
just wish mps had only skipped on £5 taxi fares instead of taxing and ripping off citizens who hard enough for little thanks
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Astonished,

18/06/2009 13:34:02
It is hilarious to read stan getting more and more worried. labour do not control the internet, although they control every other aspect of the Scottish media.


Get used to it stan .

Finally what do you think about no comments on the blatant labour propaganda story about oil running out around Thursday?

I bet Mr maddox has made you proud and reminded you of the good ol'days when labour could tell Scotland it was as poor as Biafra while knowing full well that it was the richest country in the world. Donald dewar died a multi-millionaire. People's party? - dont make me vomit.



There are many sources that say Scotland's oil reserves are on a par with Kuwait's. That is why Darling the Dolt has doubled output to try to hide his utter failure as chancellor.




Still it is great that the nats don't have to harp on about sleazy labour/tories lies in pubs anymore.



labour : no lie too small.
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 18/06/2009 13:39:55
Where is Murphy's "Scotland Office paper, published today"

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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 14:04:36
144 Huntly loon


The only criteria you have to satisfy is that you have actually lived in the property. Beyond that it's a free choice.Doesn't matter if you're an MP, an MEP, an MSP or Joe Public.


By the way, I see Fat N'Eck Salmond has charged the taxpayer for a cake stand.

A cake stand.

He's beyond parody.


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Number 6,

Germany 18/06/2009 14:08:24
And still denying any wrong doing. Is there no end to unionista cowardice.
Still no move from the police I see. Shame on them.

Still, this all points to an obliteration of Labour across the country. Scots are sick to the back teeth with this level of sleaze corruption and incompitance.

All they will be left with is a tiny flock of trembling sheep like poor old STAN Butler, although even that would have to be seen as some kind of miracle.

Only in Scotland could a party like Labour manage to survive, though not for much longer.
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scully,

Colchester 18/06/2009 14:25:10
MPs EXPENSES

As whole lines and whole paragraphs are being wiped off there expenses sheets it is far worse than was first thought, Its pathetic listening to them bleat for there survival. They know that once out of the Political system they are finished, the next place for them is the dole queue. BUT WHO WILL EMPLOY THEM with there criminal records. My Son who was a Policeman for 26 years always said.Your not a criminal until you are caught. Now they have been caught , they should do the time. What an example to teach their children, or any other child in the country
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 18/06/2009 14:35:03
Would Baron Mandelson and his new energy minister Baron Hunt of Kings Heath have had anything to do with the data that Murphy and his mouthpiece Maddox are using in an attempt to trash our nation
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Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 18/06/2009 14:35:50
Stan the Butler did it: What did he do? well he frothed at the mouth in fake indignation at all the 'cybergnats from SNP central office' swamping the forums with posts directed by their masters.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Stan the WUman, you just don't get it do you? the pro-independence posters on here are posting out of love for their country and concern at its fate, not out of misguided loyalty or because they are paid, we aren't NuLibore posters Stan, that's more like their profile, paid hacks and activists or actual MPs.

You asked if a poster if they were a member of the SNP. I'm not and I post in favour of independence on here all the time. Are you a NuLibore MP or MSP Stan? Are you in fact George FFFFFoulkes-sake? You certainly spout similar drivel.

Most decent folk would pay the least amount of tax possible but would worry that if they made a mistake they might get into trouble with those barstewards at customs and excise. MPs seem to have no such worries and are free from prosecution, (so far). You are the worst sort of agent provocateur and shoite for brains little troublemaker I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Kimba is just as nutty as a junkyard dog but you are mean and twisted. Maybe some counselling would help.
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Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 18/06/2009 14:41:51
#106 The Strategist,

Can anyone tell me exactly what happened to all the oil revenues?

Well a few million quid went towards setting up Common Purpose, a fake charity, (Charities aren't allowed to be political but this one is so it's a fake). This charity is brainwashing people in prime positions in our society to work together to undermine said society in an insidious and almost undetectable way. We are already seeing the effects of their work: Hospitals where people die of infection, schools churning out failures, roads like ploughed fields, trains that are always late, etc.etc. Check out Brian Gerrish on YouTube to see what we are up against. Getting rid of Broon is only the start.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 14:43:11
154 Joe Plaice

So, Joe, in the unlikely event that you ever have two homes,and you decided to sell one, would you do so in such a way that you paid the maximum amount of tax on the sale, or the least amount of tax?


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The Master 2,

18/06/2009 14:43:37
#144 Huntly Loony: " You cannot just make the house you are just selling your main residence merely by saying so. There must be proof that it is your main residence."

Wrong, Loony. There's a facility to complete an election with the CGT office if, like me, you have more than one residence and there may be some doubt in years to come. You should do some research before spouting your usual pompous drivel.
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scully,

Colchster 18/06/2009 15:20:35
David Cameron
Has just admitted to having his fingers in the till also. Now he wants the British peoples to forgive him. To Late, Every normal person knows the difference between right and wrong. They all knew what they were doing. now they have been caught they must take the consequences. A good leader leads by example. How could you ever trust anyone that has admitted publicly to stealing from the people that trusted them implicitly, they once begged the British people to vote for them, and that they would give their very best for the people. And also inquiry,s that are held in secret have everything to hide.And the people will never forget how they have let us all down.Britain now has no standing in the world.
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scully,

Colchester 18/06/2009 15:27:01
The only reason my name in not being published on this debate site, is, because you are not allowed to give your real name.But anyone that wants my name and address can have it, as I said, I have a CV second to none, nor do I have anything to hide. And I have never at any time had my fingers in anyone till.
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Mèths,

18/06/2009 15:35:21
How anyone can justify this is beyond me.
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Jim Baxter,

Alicante Spain 18/06/2009 15:47:54
All MPs that have been claiming expenses or not paying proper Tax should be investigated by the police. This is nothing short of fraud and if it were any ordinary working person they would be in Court by now. There seems to be a law for the rich and one for the poor. Somethings never change and we thought all criminals were in prison.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 18/06/2009 15:56:23
There seems to be a rather childish pattern emerging:

1) Wendy Alexander suddenly proposes the Calman Commision, after the Scottish Government launches the National Conversation.

2) Gordon Brown suddenly announces that the cabinet will meet in Scotland, to get closer to the people, after the Scottish Government holds meeting in Inverness.

3)Jim Murphy suddenly announces trip to China, just before the long-awaited Scottish government visit.

4) Jim Murphy suddenly reveals a damning report on oil-dependant Scotland, just before the long-awaited Scottish government report is published.

Brown and co. must realise that Labour are a busted flush - they have resorted to playing "SNaP"!

Meanwhile, card-sharp Salmond continues to run rings round them.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 15:59:11
165 Jim Baxter

Why don't you contact the Met?

It's your civic duty as a citizen of Alicante.

I'm sure they'll treat your complaint with the seriousness it deserves.


PS I thought a fair few crims were living in Spain.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 16:05:51
166 Luigiana

'card-sharp Salmond continues to run'


Fat N'Eck Salmond hasn't managed to run since 1978.

And even then it was to chase an ice cream van.


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The Master,

18/06/2009 16:06:34
#164 nova: as a fan of "Red Dwarf", I can't help getting the impression that nova5 is really you, just like when Holly pretends that the nasty Queeg has outwitted him and will be taking over as the ship's computer.

Is the Master sowing confusion, or is the Master sowing confusion!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

18/06/2009 16:09:51
Hi Stan, how's your favourite privatisation, Royal Mail, coming along???

Can you rely on the Tories to force it through parliament???
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 18/06/2009 16:11:40
#171

I guess it's another "Gray tears Salmond apart" headline in the Scottish media tomorrow then?
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 16:17:58
172 Jimmy Le Pie


Given your apparent obsession with Post Office privatisation I wonder whether you know how the SNP MEPs voted on the Postal Directive in the European Parliament?
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Fitba Krazy,

18/06/2009 16:20:43
164 nova albion4

"oi! get lost! faker! you sad worthless piece of sh*t! i could buy you any day, as my old dad says, you are nothing but a trouble maker and will get whats coming!"

Aye, he and his ilk will be getting whacked wi a barrage o cream cakes and ice cream cones.

We've been getting millions o them oan expenses and been saving them up for a wee while now.

So don't be cheeky unless you like cream cakes and ice cream.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

18/06/2009 16:28:41
#174 Stan,

Given your lack of comment on the subject I could begin to think you were embarrassed by your beloved party doing a Maggie Thatcher????

It's not Post Office privatisation, but Royal Mail privatisation. There is a very distinct difference.

And what bearing does the EU Postal Directive got to do with anything??? From what I can see there is no obligation to privatise Royal Mail to keep the EU sweet.

The only reason New Labour Sleaze are for selling Royal Mail off is to raise money as they have bankrupted the UK!!!!

But don't worry, the Tories will help you get in through parliament!!!
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 16:33:16
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How did they vote?


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Jimmy Le Pie,

18/06/2009 16:46:28
I don't even know what 'it' is, though I'm sure you're going to tell me??

Are you saying that Comrade Broon & Co are flogging off Royal Mail because the EU is forcing them???
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Fitba Krazy,

18/06/2009 16:47:20
nova albion4

"as a matter of fact, i know more about cream cakes than you have forgotten, but then, you dont have money for that in scutland! if i was you, i would back out!"

Being a bit of a marsh-mallow you no doubt would and as for backing out, well we do wish to leave Westminster behind and get on with the show without them spoiling it, but for some reason they want to hang in, maybe because no one else likes them and they've nae real pals, jist idiots kiddin on. Well I'll give you that, they are pretty good at kiddin on but after a while it gets kinda boring listening to the same mince over and over and over.
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Eve,

Scotland 18/06/2009 16:54:57
"The hours of parliament simply don't work with kids."

Haret Harmin (I think thats her name) won't be pleased at with that statement, cause she wants MPs to be 50/50 Male/Female, no matter what. Although I think those comment where a bit extreme, considering the public vote for them and are hardly going to think that constituency down the road has elected a male we should elect a female. BUT with statements like that some people will think that women of child bearing age shouldn't stand. Which would be step backward.

It should be about who is the best person for the job.


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Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 17:16:22
Stan you have been on here all day wittering nonsense. You seem to assume that people don't know the difference between illegal and unethical. They do - what this woman did was unethical. If you assume that everyone else is as unethical as her then that says more about you than it does about them.

In point of fact most people would be ashamed to get caught out being a cheap little money grabber, well perhaps not people like the Master, but normal people.

It's all very well cocking a snook at authority we all like a bit of that but tax avoidance is perceived by most people as being very selfish and anti-social.

And BTW when it comes to being hypocritical Labour MP's win the prize. The party of the people my bahookey.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 17:26:10
And as for Maddogs's panting reporting of Spud Murphy's ''pre-emptive attack'' WFT is that about ? Is that legitimate Scottish Office business ? Were civil servants involved in the drawing up of a report which appears to have been commissioned to score points from a political rival ? Is it another dodgy dossier ?

That man Murphy seems to be a simpleton, I predict he is going to find himself in very hot water over this.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 18:28:55
183 Observer

You're being a little disingenuous here.

You finally came to understand, after it had been explained to you at great length, that nominating a house for CGT purposes, thereby avoiding CGT, is not illegal and is not fraud.

It is self evident from their posts that not everyone has your, newly acquired, level of understanding of the subject.

The point I'm making is that everyone would do the same thing as MPs have done if they were presented with the same opportunities. No one volunteers to pay more tax than they have to.

People seem to think that MPs should adhere to a stricter ethical code than they do themselves. That's hypocritical.


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dunedin bully wee 1877,

18/06/2009 18:45:39
185 Stan Butler

I note the general tenure of your posts on the subject of MP’s expense claims.

I could probably summarise it as “if I had the opportunity to screw the tax-payer for as much as I could get, then I will do so”.

Your attitude epitomises the Labourite philosophy for over half a century now, and explains why you people are being in the process of being chased.

You have been found out!


Goodbye

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TWC,

exLabour 18/06/2009 18:54:09
I see th secret Iraq inquiry is looking like another U turn, who is advising this idiot?
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Mèths,

18/06/2009 19:00:07
Tax evasion - illegal.
Tax avoidance - legal. A good accountant would show you how.

Flipping a home numerous times? Certainly against the spirit of the Green Book.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

18/06/2009 19:05:22
#185 Stan Butler - "nominating a house for CGT purposes, thereby avoiding CGT, is not illegal and is not fraud."

Main Home or Not Main Home - that is the only relevant factor, nothing to do with nominating anything.

The truth, the whole truth and...a totally alien concept to Westmisterians and their lap dogs.

From HMRC ;

Capital Gains Tax on property: the basics

You usually don't have to pay Capital Gains Tax when you sell, give away, exchange or otherwise dispose of your own home. But you may have to pay Capital Gains Tax when you sell or dispose of a piece of land or a property that's not your main home.

That is of course leaving aside the related matter of "tactical second homes" and the flipping thereof, for fraudulent expense claims.




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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

18/06/2009 19:43:39
Stan

Suppose I live in Falkirk, work in Grangemouth and am paid 50p per mile to travel to and from work.

Depending on how honest I am - I could claim :

5 x 4.1 x 2 x .50 = £20.50 per wk or £943 pa.

or

5 x 5 x .50 x 2 x = £24.50 per wk or £1127 pa.

If I had the morality of the people you are defending I could rent a flat in St Andrews for my daughter @£150 per week and nominate it as my main residence then claim :

5 x 55 x .50 x 2 = £275 per week or £12,650 pa.

Playing the System?

Out and out fraud?
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 19:51:31
191 The Col. of Monte Cristo

This is getting tiresome.

If someone owns more than one home that person can elect for one of the homes to be treated as their principal for tax purposes.HMRC accepts the nomination. They don't question it.

The leaflet you have quoted does not contradict what I've said.

The only condition you have to satisfy is that you must actually have lived in the house at some point.
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Pattester,

Galashiels 18/06/2009 20:09:44
Yet another crooked MP when are they going to charge them with fraud and put them in prision where they should be after all if it had been me or you we would have been up in front of the beek by now and locked up in Saughton for a long time so what's the differance people of Scotland/England Ireland & Wales unite and het rid of the cheeting robin Bas---ds
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 18/06/2009 20:11:24
Almost exactly 200 years ago the famous Thomas Cochrane of Culross ('Cochrane the Dauntless') was fighting a very lonely battle in the House of Commons against corruption of a type very similar to that apparent today - MPs (mostly "nobles" - ha ha ha) engaged in wholesale nepotism in awarding contracts, granting themselves and their kin vast sums for paltry services, and arranging hugely excessive pensions for other wholly undeserving cyanotics (blue bloods). Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
I loathe Union governments not because they chose to exploit Scotland's oil and gas revenues to prop up the whole of the UK, but because they DELIBERATELY HID THE AMOUNTS FROM SCOTS. It is this disgustingly filthy manoeuvre which makes me - and all Scots - white with rage. If I know Scots at all, we could run our own affairs with far greater honesty and openness. The Westminster stench is stomach-turning.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 20:15:20
197 Caora Dubh


'It is this disgustingly filthy manoeuvre which makes me - and all Scots - white with rage.'


It's enough to make you join the Busby Babes, is it not?


ps I'm not sure all Scots are as deranged as you are.



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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 18/06/2009 20:22:15
196 Pattester: There is no hope whatsoever of criminal proceedings. The government will see to it that MPs are protected. The whole system is putrid - rotten to the core.
To tell the truth I abhor all the traditions and trappings of Westminster too, from Black Rod knocking on the door of the Commons, to the Budget being carried to the House in THAT case. Westminster creaks with arthritis in all its joints. We Scots need a dynamic new fresh start, and there is nothing to stop us EXCEPT our own fear of going it alone. Given the incredible contributions of our little nation in all spheres in the past, I, for one, am not in the least bit frightened. We have the abilities. And I know that many, many Scots right now also have the guts to go it alone.
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Satire above all,

18/06/2009 20:29:46
Are there any depths to which this Unionist rag won't lower itself? Unbelievable that they have prevented a thread on the Scotland's Oil story.

This Union really must be in trouble when the media will go to these lengths to prevent my country from determining it's own future.

Well tough luck boys - the truth will out..it is out...and there is nothing you can do about it. The Union is dying...and you are too blind to see.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 18/06/2009 20:30:48
198 Stan Butler: Please view the BBC Scotland documentary "Diomhair" (pronounced 'jivver', = 'Secret'). It's in Gaidhlig, but it has English subtitles. It has been known to many Scots for many years that Union Governments deliberately chose to hide oil and gas revenues from the Scots. Indeed, I have a couple of the documents on my computer. The deceit is a fact. Much, much more was perpetrated by Unionist governments - stretching all the way back to 'Butcher Cumberland' and beyond. Given all that I know, I believe that I would now be deranged to place any faith whatsoever in the Union.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 20:40:25
24 You are right but.........

Stan stop making things up as you go along. I have no problem differentiating between illegal and unethical. Choosing to nominate one home as your principle residence for expenses purposes and another as your principle home for CGT purposes depending upon how much personal profit you can make from public money, as many MP's have done, is unethical.

If you want to place yourself on the side of rich money grabbing Labour MP's who are using the same accountancy procedures as the filthiest of capitalists to personally enrich themselves with tax payers money then that's up to you.

But the majority of people don't agree with it, and there is no hypocrisy involved (apart from yours).
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

18/06/2009 20:53:54
#194 Stan Butler

"The only condition you have to satisfy is that you must actually have lived in the house at some point."

By that logic a developer could own a block of eight flats and so long as he camped out in each of them in turn...He could sell the lot at £150,000 a pop, as long as he did so in the correct order.

AND NOT HAVE TO PAY ONE PENNY IN CGT!

("They don't question it.")

Not because he is not liable...but because they do not check!

Well I'm afraid somebody checked your heroes on their behalf and grassed them up...just like we are encouraged to do to social security swindlers.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

18/06/2009 21:03:10
#203 Fringo
That is an option for stupid people...an advance on voting Labour though.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 21:06:33
204 You know that is what really plsses me off Colonel. These are the self same people who recently passed a law approving workfare in the face of an oncoming recession that they knew was going to result in a dramatic rise in unemployment - in a year from now we could be seeing the unemployed being forced to clean chewing gum off pavements and other such degrading tasks despite the fact that there won't be any jobs for them to do. But the likes of Devine will get off Scot free, and no doubt be taken care of work wise too.

And these are the self same people who take great pleasure in reporting on spending resources tracking down and penalising wee wifies who have a side job cleaning the pub, or an unemployed tradesman that dares to do a homer.

They really do make me sick.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/06/2009 21:08:08
Sad Butler's repulsive defence of his corrupt masters and his opposition to Scotland and the Nationalists intensifies my desire for Scotland to secede from this corrupt union, everything it stands for and all of its lying, thieving politicians.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

18/06/2009 21:18:19
#206 Observer,,

I heard an add on the radio yesterday...boasting that they had three thousand investigators tracking down benefits fraudsters.

Just think of how much money could be recouped if they seconded half a dozen of them to the Westminster Fees Office.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 18/06/2009 21:28:06
Oh the poor wee misunderstood soul.

Bless her!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 18/06/2009 21:30:38
208 ah but the benefit fraudsters have broken the law and the MP's haven't - they made very sure of that when they were writing them.

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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 18/06/2009 21:33:27
The Col. of Monte Cristo,18/06/2009 21:18:19

How about Investigators looking into the link between Gordon Brown, Andrew Brown (his brother) and his brother's employers (EDF Energy) and Gordon's moves to award EDF Energy - contracts for Nuclear Power Stations.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 18/06/2009 22:26:04
I don't think parliamentary standards are much worse than they've been in the past, it's just that we are now much more aware of what they're up to through blogs and the excellent and fearless journalism (Scotsman Labour press release hacks take note) of the Daily Telegraph. The more the light gets in to previously darkened activities the better. Broon's still at it with his "in camera" fakey Iraq non-enquiry. He'd just love if it all went away probably and allegedly due to the fact that he was complicit in a number of mis-dealings and misspeakings in this regard.

The Treasury seems to have been fertile ground for "I did no wrong" types like Darling and Ussher - "just following orders". However in her case the "flip" was so blatant it's quite clear that the Rules became pliable somewhat.
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 22:29:49
201 Caora Dubh

'Much, much more was perpetrated by Unionist governments'


Yeah, I know.

Like when they shot Sandi Thom's cat.

(Was it a tomcat? That would have made it a Thom tomcat, wouldn't it? Surely a Thom tomcat would have been able to find its own way home. They must have shot it.)
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Stan Butler,

18/06/2009 22:31:50
204 The Col. of Monte Cristo

A developer wouldn't be paying CGT would he?

He'd be paying income tax or corporation tax.

Muppet.
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Pomodora,

Gravesend 18/06/2009 22:34:44
#47,#51,#62,#66 et al The decision of the Scotsman to prohibit comments on the Oil Revenue deficits is obvious to this reader. They can envisage that no imtelligent comments would be forthcoming.
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Cassan,

Inverness 18/06/2009 22:41:12
Why no mention of squeaky clean Lib, Clegg Chief of Staff, Danny Alexander? In a recent article in his local paper the Strathspey & Badenoch Herald he claimed that he claimed the minimum on a flat that he owned "a decade ago" before he was an MP. Yet strangely in his expenses published today he claims £1400 for moving to "new flat" in June 2007 and his mortgage interest doubles in June 2007 from £500+ a month to over £1100 a month! Lets not even start on his £1100 "Jim Devine Shelves", the joiner detaiuls conveniently blacked out in the Westminster published expenses reports (Was it a local publican :). Obviously all the shelf work was done on his "second" home in London, despite the fact that his constituents in Aviemore know fine well that his family live in London and only visit the constituency when it suits!
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Fitba Krazy,

18/06/2009 22:45:05
217 Pomodora,

Aye sure, it must make people wonder why they have allowed the likes of yourself to comment here then, eh? Whit wiz that?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

19/06/2009 00:12:50
#216 Stan Butler

We are talking about tax dodgers bozo.

Why pay corporation tax, when it is perfectly legitimate according to no less an authority than yourself and endorsed by numerous cabinet ministers...to nominate a property of your choice as your main residence, regardless of actualities - sell it and keep all the proceeds then repeat.

Back in the real world the property you nominate as your main or only residence...should be what it says on the tin...If it was otherwise NOBODY would have paid CGT on a house ever.




 

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