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Breast cancer self-exams 'do more harm than good'



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Published Date: 16 July 2008
ENCOURAGING women to systematically examine themselves for signs of breast cancer does not reduce deaths from the disease, a major review of the evidence showed yesterday.
Many women practise a rigid routine of checking their breasts on a regular basis to see if there are any lumps that might indicate they have cancer.

But the review by researchers at the Cochrane Collaboration – an international body that assesses
the combined results of medical studies – has concluded there is no evidence that systematic self-exams actually reduce breast cancer deaths. They also said the common practice could do more harm than good, with more women having to undergo biopsies on lumps that do not turn out to be cancer.

Cancer charities said they encouraged women to be "breast aware", as opposed to carrying out systematic self-exams, and to report any worrying changes to their doctors. This is also the government's guidance.

The latest Cochrane review of research on self-examination included two large studies involving nearly 400,000 women in Russia and China.

In these studies, 3,406 women who carried out self-examination of their breasts had to have biopsies to see if they had cancer. Among those women not carrying out the checks, only 1,856 had the biopsies.

However, the researchers found no significant difference in deaths between the groups.

Researcher Jan Peter Kosters, from the Nordic Cochrane Centre in Copenhagen, said: "At present, screening by breast self-examination or physical examin-ation (by a trained health worker] cannot be recommended."

He said researchers recognised some women would want to continue to self-examine and they should always seek medical advice if they found changes in their breasts. He went on: "We suggest that the lack of supporting evidence…should be discussed with these women to enable them to make an informed decision."

In the UK, women are advised to be "breast aware", rather than to carry out strictly regimented breast exams. This means they should be aware of how their breasts feel and report any lumps they find to their doctor.

Systematic breast self-examination involves a regular routine of checking the breast, usually about once a month, feeling the whole breast, nipple and arm-pit area for lumps and other changes. Women are also encouraged to look at their breasts in a mirror to check for changes in appearance.

Many websites and medical books include details of how women can carry out systematic breast checks. As women grow increasingly worried about breast cancer, more and more are turning to the internet and other sources of advice to learn how to make sure they can catch the disease early.

Carolyn Runowicz, of the University of Connecticut Health Centre in the United States, said they encouraged women to do self-exams if they felt comfortable doing so. She said that 50 to 60 per cent of women detected their own breast lumps.

"I think what we are seeing is that women are familiar with their breasts through breast self-exam and when there is a lump, they notice the difference," she said.

In the 1980s, doctors in the UK started encouraging women to self-examine their breasts for lumps rather than visiting their GP for regular checks.

Then, in 1991, the UK abandoned systematic breast self-examination and replaced it with advice to be breast aware; this was because of a lack of evidence about a formally taught, ritual self-examination.

But charities said women were still confused about the differences between being breast aware and carrying out formal checks. This means that many women still follow a set regime, as described on many health websites and in medical dictionaries.

Karsten Juhl Jorgensen, from the Nordic Cochrane Centre, said the latest review had looked at the more regimented forms of breast examination.

"Women in many countries are now encouraged to be breast aware rather than carry out strict testing regimes to check for lumps," he said. "It is still important that women who find any lumps go to see a doctor."

Arlene Wilkie, director of research and policy at the Breast Cancer Campaign, said: "This is an interesting study, but we would advise women to remain breast aware at all times, not just once a month.

"The earlier breast cancer is detected, the greater the chances of survival.

"It is vital that women remain breast aware to reduce their risk of breast cancer, know what is normal, what changes to look for and report any changes to the doctor without delay. Remember to attend breast screening if you are over 50."

Dr Sarah Cant, policy manager at the charity Breakthrough Breast Cancer, said breast self-examination was widely practised in the United States and was a strict routine that women were taught in order to check their breasts.

But she said breast cancer charities and health officials in the UK recommended that women needed only to be breast aware.

"Being breast aware does not mean following a fancy routine – you just need to know what your breasts look and feel like normally, in any way you feel comfortable," she said.

"If you notice any unusual changes or have any worries, check them out with your GP."

Dr Cant said most of the 44,000 cases of breast cancer diagnosed each year in the UK were detected by women themselves. "The earlier that breast cancer is detected, the more likely it is that treatment will be successful. Better breast awareness, together with improved treatments and breast screening, have been shown to contribute to improved survival," she said.

Maria Leadbeater, a clinical nurse specialist at Breast Cancer Care, agreed that prescriptive self-examination had been seen as unhelpful in recent years. She said breast awareness was a much more useful approach.

"We know that many cases of breast cancer are identified earlier because women have spotted and reported unusual changes in their breasts to their GP. Early detection of the disease can mean more effective treatment and the possibility of a better outcome," she said.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "It is important that women aged 50 to 75 take advantage of free breast screening offered every three years. In addition, if anyone has any concerns regarding unusual breast symptoms, we would urge them to consult their doctor.

"The Scottish Government is currently consulting on a new cancer strategy for Scotland, which will published later this summer – any new and emerging evidence will be considered as part of this process."

Health care marred by conflicting advice

MEDICAL research can often produce conflicting advice on a number of health issues, making it difficult for women to know what to do for the best.

In recent years, much concern has been raised over the safety of hormone replacement therapy (HRT).

Millions of women around the world used HRT to control symptoms linked to the menopause.

However, a number of studies have linked the therapy to an increased risk of breast and ovarian cancer, leading to many women stopping treatment.

Despite this, some experts believe the benefits of taking HRT – such as improving quality of life – may outweigh the risks of developing cancer.

Women are advised to take HRT for as short a time as possible in order to deal with symptoms.

Similar concerns have been raised about the contraceptive pill, which has been linked to a small risk of breast cancer.

But earlier this year, women were told not to worry about the risk of cancer when using the Pill – because it can actually reduce the risk of developing cancers for several decades.

The research found that, in the long term, oral contraceptives cut the risk of ovarian and womb cancers.

Meanwhile, women planning to have a baby have also experienced conflicting advice about alcohol consumption in pregnancy.

In the past, mothers-to-be have been told that one or two units of alcohol a week during pregnancy was unlikely to harm their baby. But now, official government advice states no alcohol should be consumed during pregnancy because of the risks of foetal alcohol syndrome, which is responsible for abnormalities in babies.

The patient's view: I wish to God I had checked myself for lumps

BREAST cancer survivor Jessie Mcguire is keen to encourage women of all ages to check their breasts regularly.

The 70-year-old was diagnosed with the disease more than six years ago – but only after being invited to take part in the NHS breast cancer screening programme.

"I was so lucky they invited me when they did. I wish to God I had checked myself for lumps. But I did not want to because I was scared what I would find."

Ms Mcguire, from Edinburgh, was told her mammogram – an X-ray of the breast – had found a lump the size of a golf ball.

She said: "My first stop when I came out of the hospital was the pub, and I had a large vodka. I didn't tell my family. I had a pub to run and I went on as if nothing was wrong."

When Ms Mcguire did eventually tell her family, they were shocked. But she said she always approached her illness with a positive attitude and had superb treatment at Edinburgh's Western General Hospital.

Ms Mcguire said her doctor asked if she wanted to take part in a trial of a new cancer drug, and she was pleased to be involved.

Ms Mcguire was given the all-clear three years ago, but knows she has been lucky to survive unlike many women who develop the disease.

She said: "After they told me I had the lump I was prodding my breast and I did feel a slight lump.

"I just wish I had thought to check myself as I was just lucky that the invitation for screening came through when it did.

"All women should check themselves regularly – check when they are in the shower – to see if they have any lumps.

"Then they can see their doctor and get treatment as quickly as possible."

The doctor's view: Women must know own bodies to spot changes

WHEN I first started in general practice in the 1980s, we had women coming in to have their breasts examined.

Then there was a report which revealed women were much better placed to detect any changes in their breasts, rather than coming to see us once a year.

So in the mid-1980s we started encouraging women to check their breasts themselves and see us if they found anything of concern.

It was thought people getting to know their own body was the most important thing, and that is still the case now.

I still believe that, in the same way we encourage men to self-examine their testicles for suspicious lumps and bumps, it is important women get a sense of what their body feels like and are in a position to spot any changes that might need medical attention.

Women should always feel able to discuss any concerns with their doctor and the latest Cochrane Review should not change that.

We get a lot of patients who come to see us after finding what they believe is a lump. We will check them out and give our opinion. Sometimes it might be a case of waiting a couple of weeks because the feeling of the breasts change during the month.

If there are still concerns we will refer them for a second opinion. Sometimes this will lead to a biopsy, but not always. Women will not always have needles stuck in them.

My practice would still want to encourage women to check their breasts at regular intervals. We normally suggest women check once a month, after their period. This is just to try to make it part of their routine.

Doctors will never say you are wasting their time by coming forward with your concerns. It is dangerous to send out mixed messages on issues such as this.

Over time it may become obvious that self-checking breasts is not the best way of finding breast cancers, as this report suggests, but at the moment I am not going to stop encouraging women to check themselves regularly.


  • Dr John Garner is a GP in Edinburgh





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  • Last Updated: 16 July 2008 4:58 PM
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 01:00:16

Goodness Sake! Scotsman News!, now I have to comment!

I was wanting a Quiet night but, 'OHNO' you spoilt that!

Soo!

Firstly! I do not think many Women do a,...

"Systematic breast self-examination"

My Wife for one, don't do this, more-like, I would be the first to find a lump in my Wife's Breast! as I think would be the case for many a couple in living together.

Secondly! This is a very Stupid Headline News! albeit, that you are the ones bringing us this News.

Now Women that do find a lump in their Breast, may get the impression, "ITS ONLY A CYST" better not waste Doctors Time!

EVERY LUMP A WOMAN FINDS IN HER BREAST MUST BE CHECKED!

AND DONT! BE PUT OF BY THIS REPORT! JUST DO IT!

AND BE PIRATICALLY CAREFULL IN THE HORMONE TAKING!

REMEMBER, 'DRUG COMPANIES' HAVE NO CONCERN OF YOUR HEALTH, ONLY PROFIT MAKING!

Many a Breast Cancer Caused by 'Man made Hormones' for Women!

DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING GIRLS! AND DONT BELIEVE ANY OF THIS!

If You Find a Lump! or your Partner finds a Lump in your Breast!

'GET IT CHECHED', PDQ!!!

This Report is all 'tittle tattle!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 01:21:56
re; error #1 *...*

"AND BE *PARTICULARLY* CAREFULL IN THE HORMONE TAKING!
3

Fi,

16/07/2008 01:25:10
Lumps. In your breast. Comparatively obvious and well reported, not as embarrassing and difficult as many other cancer scares.

I've been waiting for TWO MONTHS to see a Gynae specialist about the lumps in my v***ina (the Scotsman does not approve of the medical term.) Right next to my cervix. I have no, "Gold standard," of care nor specialised political agenda to help me out. I'm living in blind fear.

I'm just a careful, considerate, healthy woman who find things growing in her v**ina without reasonable cause (I'm a good, clean living, sensible, condom using, monogamous person.)

I've ruled out anything but benign cyst or cancer. And I was told I had a 14 week wait for a 10 minute exam on my lumps by a Gynae doctor.

Stop the Doctors telling people to stop checking for lumps. A lump checked is a metasticising cancer caught and prevented.
4

Fi,

Edinburgh, by the way 16/07/2008 01:31:39
I'm a UK National, a life-long tax and NI payer, a contributor to the NHS for over half my life and, I live in Edinburgh, Scotland.

I'm not living in a third world slum without medical facilities.

Just in case anyone wished to comment.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 01:58:05

Fi ~2,

You have every right to be angry! as I was reading this report!

You are a Woman! why do others not Respect this,?

I wish you all my best!
6

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 01:59:15
Re error above = Fi ~4.
7

Fi,

To Charles 16/07/2008 02:18:25
Thank you.

I am upset for others - for what I perceive to be injustice.

Anyone, man, woman, child, finding a lump, wherever they find such, need to be told to seek medical attention immediately. This isn't my opinion, it was my GP's strongly held belief which was rightly communicated to me.

The public do not need the press patently misrepresenting a scientific study in order to make a headline.

I recall a recent headline that cancer, breast cancer in particular, was being reported sooner and the survival rate was now incredibly better than a few decades ago.

Surely, there is some misrepresentation of scientific fact in this story? Breast examination might lead to more testing of lumps - undisputed - but surely that increased testing puts to rest many people's (because men get it too) fears. The compensatory benefits of benign diagnosis of lumps was omitted from this article.

I respectfully suggest to The Scotsman that they submit a supplementary article, or find a new medical and scientific corespondent; perhaps one able to see the truck sized holes in their own articles' logic.
8

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 03:24:11
FI..it is an injustice, and Charles is right.EVERY lump, should be check; especially ones found in self examinations, or partners examinations. Know your family history, it is very important. Many lumps and cysts are NOT found on mammograms alone.
Before my mother's lumpectomy, the mammogram still showed nothing. I've seen that scenerio a hundred times. Self examination is the one that should be encouraged not discouraged.
Hormones, if at all possible should avoided. Charles is right..Drug companies have no conscience. In my mother's case, she is in a class action suit against the company that made the estrogen drug she used for menopause.
It's a shame the wait is so long for you to be able to see someone. Is there a possiblilty of going into an an emergency room of a hospital as an ER Patient?
Here in America, we also have walk-in outpatient services..if you have that there, you may try that. But to sit on a waiting list, not knowing anything is not fair to anyone, especially you.
9

Fi,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 03:42:22
#8: Lynne
Thank you so much for your kind words. I'm so sorry that your mother in embroiled in the legal system - I hope she finds a resolution soon. I am thankfull that she lives to fight - my own mother was given no such chance, so my heart is with you both.

On my own account; I've done everything short of marching up to the, to use a USA-ism, ER department. I have no private health care - I used to, but I was made redundant, for which I have to thank Substandard Existence, the delightful euphamism for my former employer. (One dare not be sued for naming names.)

Short of lying about my symptoms to jump the queue, which I could not do on grounds of moral conscience for those other women waiting, I have no choice.

Welcome to the NHS; 60 years of trying to do everything and not quite manging it. I wish I lived in France... they might have nasty taxes, but they also have some of the best Doctors in Europe... and you see the right person for the problem incredibly fast.
10

adsullata,

PDX 16/07/2008 04:18:29
Fi,
My heart goes out to you. I have been on the receiving end of that fear. I wish someone would come up with a REAL solution to the health care crisis that seems to be enveloping the entire world.

Of course it would be a pity if you were in..Oh maybe France or Canada on holiday and got terrible cramps and had to..oh maybe see a doctor right away for the cramping in your lower extremities...

I admire your moral conscience and really wish the medical establishment followed suit, however they don't and being brutally honest disease does not care about your morals.

This is your life, you have lived it for 60 years and deserve to live it for another 60 if you wish to have that chance. It is an unfortunate reality that in this time and place the ones who live are the ones that have aggressively pursued treatment.

My thoughts are with you.


PS - It amazes me the Scotsman would even publish such an irresponsible article!
11

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 06:19:48
FI..the best advice I can give you is to become your own MEDICAL ADVOCATE. You have to. It seems to me the medical care in your area is overloaded.
adsullatta is right. If there is no one who can help you, why not take a short trip to France..go sightseeing for a day and go to an emergency room.
This article is another reason why men should never be in charge of womens' problems. This article is horrendous, because there are women who will read it and believe it. I am hoping you will have a safe trip (if you take it), and things come out well.
12

Scotindy,

losAngeles 16/07/2008 06:28:21
when SCOTLAND BECOMES INDEPENDENT THEN WE WILL LOOK AFTER OUR PEOPLE, as opposed to those who whish to LIVE OFF US, the english!!!!
13

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/07/2008 07:09:52
#12 You are an idiot. Scots already run the Scottish health services. The Scottish Xenophobes like you remain an embarrassing irrelevance.

Back on topic: Men also get breast cancer. They just make less fuss. That said, ALL of us should examine ourselves for signs of all illnesses. Why wouldn't we?
14

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 07:12:25
Fi..adsullata

I belong to an organization, where my chapter has decided that one of the things in giving back to the community is traveling and giving speeches to local high school girls about breast self examination.
We expanded it further to include a once a year Health Symposium on all womens' medical issues, where the most respected doctors in their fields come and talk and have a question and answer session. We have done this every year, for as long as I have lived down here..since 1991, and I even worked the symposium when I came to visit down here.
I cannot believe a "reputable" newspaper would do this.
Do they not research anything first?
15

Boy Wonder,

16/07/2008 07:38:45
No-one knows your body better than you. Male or female! Then your partner. Self-checking IS the right thing to do, because you'll know first when something feels out of place. Then you go to the doctor and have a medical check made. That was the advice for years and I see no need to change it!

It appears Chuckles Linskaill is a 94 year-old man who wants gender reassignation.
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 07:50:35
PASSIONATE ABOUT BREAST CANCER, 'YES' I AM AND MAKE NO APOLOGY AS A MAN WRITING ABOUT THIS FACT!

My Mother contracted this dreadful disease when I was 13years old, through at that time, a fad to give Women High Dose Hormones, to stop lactation, in this case 'stilboesstrol'.
4 years later, my Mother had full blown Breast Cancer, being separated from my father, I took the role, in being a Father to my younger sister, at the same time, the one that took my Mother to all her Breast Examinations and Treatment.
Over a 10year period, I went through her trials and tribulations.

I WATCHED HER SLOWLY DIE!

I WISH NO OTHER WOMAN TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT MY MOTHER WENT THROUGH!

This is Why I make NO Apology writing on this Subject!

10years! and a 'Teen' YES I learnt about Breast Cancer!

Maybe Not the Scotsman News to blame for the 'Haedline' its all over evey News today.

I fear about the Mixed Message this gives out to our Women and only hope, Women have the Sense not to Listen, but to go and seek help, for any Breast Lump/Lumps they or their Partners come across.
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 07:56:46

(its ok Boy Wonder, you were not to know, and a little light-hearted as you are, takes no offence)
18

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 08:37:01
Charles #17... I am sorry for your experience. My mother is now a almost 20 year survivor of this awful disease. My aunt, her sister, passed away from this disease, after my mother's cure.
My sister and I split the duties of taking care of my mother at the time. Thank goodness. I really feel for you, you were just a kid. How terrible for a child to have to witness this. I remember going to my mother's 1st chemo with her, and having to walk out for a few minutes to get myself together. It was the first time I had seen her so vulnerable..And I was an adult!! For a kid, that feeling must have been multipled numerous times.

19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 09:11:53

Lynne ~19,

Thankyou for your thoughts, yes it was a dreadful time, you know the reflection of hope in her face, when told, "you are all clear" the apprehension for me in the wishing, 'yes maybe this time'.
Then a few months later, the dreadful cry,...

"I think its Back"

I am in noway bitter, these dreadful times gave me an understanding and empathy on Women's health issues, one to which I can pass on to my wife, and the reason I write in these columns.
20

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 09:39:29
Charles..Keep doing it. Women are the ones who put themselves last. It's the kids that come first, and the husband that comes first..yet we deny ourselves, probably by guilt, of taking care of our problems first. That's why everyone should be their own health advocate..And that's hy women must remember, to take the time to take care of themselves.
21

Michael J Ramsay,

Pittsburgh USA 16/07/2008 10:38:58
Just a reminder: X-Ray Mammography finds breast cancer BEFORE anything abnormal can be felt in the breast by the patient or her doctor. The best chance for cure is to find the breast cancer BEFORE it is manifested as something that can be felt in the breast. I write from the perspective of a Radiologist with more than 30 years experience with breast diseases.
22

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 16/07/2008 12:03:37
Charles LKinskaill

It would seem that Boy Wonder went through his/her 'Sexual reassignment" some years ago.

Is that why s/he is so cantankerous at times.

I wish you and YGW a pleasant good morning, Charles.
23

moira,

cairo 16/07/2008 12:22:53
ladies! do it yourself.When I went to GP with a lump he said I had two actually - but they were just "cysts".

Three years later I went to a WEll woman clinic and the nurse did not like the feel of them, or the look of me! I was eventually referred, had biopsies and emergency mammogram but inconclusive results.

I had a mastectomy soon thereafter.

Do not waste time. I was pre-menopausal so had not had any routine 50+ mammogram screening.

it's up to you, girls......
24

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 13:37:30

Hi Tim ~24,

YGW,? is that 'YOUNG GORGEOUS WIFE'

Anyways thankyou and I hope you are keeping well.
25

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 14:04:35
Dave from Barra # 23..how did you determine that from what I have said? It just means that there are some women who will take of everyone and THEN take care of themselves.
26

Fi,

16/07/2008 14:47:45
Thank you to everyone for the kind words, and my consolations to those touched personally by cancer who have shared their comments.

Just wanted to clarify - I'm only 31, but I've worked an paid taxes since I was a teenager - hence the tax comment. I mentioned 60 as the NHS is 60 years old this year. Sorry for any unintentional confusion.

I think we're all agreed that everyone should pay attention to their bodies. If you're too young to get a regular mamogram, then manual checking, or the helpful observation of your partner can do no harm.
27

bobby jones' spirit,

columbus USA 16/07/2008 15:14:13
My wife -- a breast cancer survivor -- and I heard this story reported on US news networks as a new pronouncement of the medical community, and were both flummoxed. We suspect a gross, and apparently worldwide, "failure to communicate". Surely lost in the headlines of the findings that routine breast self-examination shows to have affected no decline in breast cancer deaths, has been the advice to remain "breast self-aware" -- which must include some regular palpating of the breast, one would think.

In 2004, my dear lady felt a very small lump, in examining herself and while sleeping. Her mammograms showed nothing amiss; her OB/GYN (her "former" OB/GYN) recommended watching it for a year! Joanie insisted on further examination at the time, and learned (1) she has "dense breasts" which tend to defeat mammography (a subsequent ultrasound clearly showed the growth) and (2) she had a 1 cm malignancy exactly where she felt it. Early detection, no metastasis, BCT and radiation, and a good prognosis.

Unfortunately, she had either a recurrence, or failed treatment of the first cancer, late last year, and had to endure a masectomy and reconstructive surgery, but again tumor size less than 1 cm, no lymph node involvement, a good prognosis. How was it found? Self-examination. Again, her oncologists thought it was likely surgical artifacts from the first bout, again she persisted, again she was -- unhappily -- proved right.

It's your health. We must all partner with the medical community in handling our own health issues. Call it routine self-examination or call it "breast self-awareness": who cares? Just do it....
28

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 15:34:27

Fi~29,

(re partner/wife)
My DYW (darling young wife) rarely checks her breasts, and only occasionally maybe when having a bath, and even that, maybe I am more aware of the dangers of Lumps found in the breast, I am not obsessed with subject of feeling for lumps in anyway while love-making,
But I do think what you said and I said, observation from a Husband/Partner may find something not right, before the Woman does.
My wife also asks my opinion when she finds something different about her Body, recently she had a bleeding nipple, which, 'quite rightly' worried her.
Good relationships help......cont
29

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 15:40:34

....The Big problem with this Headline News is, any Woman that finds a Lump in her Breast is scared enough and take her time, to build up the courage to see a Doctor,
This News will only Hamper her further in building up the courage to see the Doctor.

I hope everthing goes well for you Fi, and you will be in my Prayers and thoughts.

Charles Linskaill
30

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 16:03:23
#28..Dave.. you sound as if you are angry that women outlive men. That's what I got from reading your thoughts on the subject.
No one was saying they were laying down their lives.
You have a chip on your shoulder as big as a brick.
Lighten up. It's just human nature.(women nature).
31

girnie wifie, Okanagan, BC,

British Columbia 16/07/2008 16:15:32
In 1988 I realized that something was wrong in my right breast. Not only was there a lump at the top, but there was a deep crease downwards. It turned out to be cancer and I caught it in time. Now, 20 years later I am still here. Had I ignored it I wouldn't have lived to give my three grandsons lovely holidays, and wouldn't have even known them. Check every lump ladies. So what if it is just a cyst? It could be something much more sinister. Women unite! Don't take "no" for an answer! Early detection is important. Cancer can be beaten.
32

Boston sports fan,

16/07/2008 16:56:19
The same goes for women with GYN symptoms. Often doctors blow off symptoms of women in their 40s as peri-menopausal. A friend experienced this. Her GP finally sent her for the ultra sound since the GYN was doing nothing. She actually had ovarian and uterine cancer. I went with her for most of her chemo and radiation treatments at the top rated place in Boston. She was good for 5yrs. Sadly, it recurred and spread and she died. I still think the delay in diagnosing caused the stage 3+. 3-6 months is a lifetime to wait to be taken seriously.
33

Proximaking,

Aberdeen 16/07/2008 17:43:20
Sadly Dave from Barra is correct and Lynne is wrong. We have an NHS in this country and it is only now becoming apparent how much the budgets have been skewed towards women's issues because women demand more. That is not what the NHS is supposed to be about. Kids need fathers and grandfathers every bit as much as mothers and grandmothers. Which kills more? Breast cancer or Prostate cancer? Prostate by far and yet hardly a word about it and hardly any money spent on it. I can understand charities being massively skewed towards breast cancer issues, women have more free time as most are supported in one way or another by men, but not the NHS being skewed. Bottom line is I want to save as many people as cheaply as possible and expensive treatments such as Herceptin etc are condemning men and women to death sentences because they haven't got the disease that charities are pushing. Why do we see the skew in a publicly funded body? I don't know but whatever the reason it has to stop. Can you imagine the outcry if women habitually died ten years earlier than men? I remember a friend of mine complaining she never had any money and that she had no man to help her out unlike other women friends and that I simply didn't understand her position and nobody else did. I asked her to look around the office and look at those people called men, every single one of them was in her position and every single one was also financially responsible for helping wives/partners etc and every one of them was on exactly the same money she was on. She was horrified that she could have been so blind. If only women such as Lynne could also open their eyes and lighten up and see that slagging someone off because he disagrees with you isn't debate it's female bullying from the playground where little girls hit little boys with gay abandon because they know they will never get hit back. lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllll
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/07/2008 18:19:51
Proximating..are you a misogynist? Women demand more;women have more free time;most women are supported by men.
Take a look at today's society. The divorce rate is up, dead beat father rates are up, mom has to be working, and a mother and father to children..
And, in the USA, most clinical trials were geared to men, until the outcry from women...
No one was slagging someone off. Maybe if you had read what he wrote before you attacked me..you would have an iota of an idea.
Don't judge me by YOUR friends.
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JayDeeTee,

16/07/2008 19:36:52
Healthy debate, but one thing is sure. There aint never going to be a front page headline concerning Prostate cancer. Think maybe that's what Proximating is alluding to.
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JayDeeTee,

16/07/2008 19:36:53
Healthy debate, but one thing is sure. There aint never going to be a front page headline concerning Prostate cancer. Think maybe that's what Proximating is alluding to.
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JayDeeTee,

16/07/2008 19:37:18
OOps, was bending down checking and pressed enter twice.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 20:08:29

JayDeeTee ~40,

"was bending down checking"

And how was your prostate gland,?

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JayDeeTee,

16/07/2008 20:36:05
#41. Hello Charles. That was what I was alluding to, as a sort of joke. Hope life is well with you and your dear wife?
40

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 21:08:53

#42 JayDeeTee,

'dear wife' is keeping well now, all is quite stressful at the mo, on the impending embryo transfer due soon, its a 'hidden worry' so to speak.

Maybe when younger, as in my Mothers Breast Cancer days, I could cope better, but for some reason the IVF issue has just,..'Thrown Me'! (so to speak) don't know if you can call it a 'Health issue' though.

But one thing I DO Know , it helps to talk!
I am not going to yabber on about Men's health issues, this being a column on Women's Health.

What I will say though, I think Men find it very difficult to speak to others, whither it be about themselves or Loved ones, whereas Women seem to find others, relatively easy to speak to on their or, their Loved ones Health.

Catch up soon.

C Linskaill
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 16/07/2008 21:21:22
43 Charles Linskaill.

I hope everything goes well for you both.
Willie
42

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 21:28:32

Thankyou Willie ~44,

Not seen your name in the Scotsman Threads before, are you new to the threads, or just dont post much,?

or maybe your on threads that I never go to often in this or any paper, like politics.
43

Willie Macleod,

Wick 16/07/2008 21:47:20
#45 Charles I have been posting on the politcal and other threads for over a year.

I have read your posts on health and family issues.

And your ongoing discussion with Boy Wonder.

All the Best Willie
44

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 21:54:10

Willie ~46,

"And your ongoing discussion with Boy Wonder."

Some discussions, 'HUH'? his only word is,.'ninety-four'!
And I wish he would GO, ..'Out the Door'! :)
45

JayDeeTee,

16/07/2008 21:59:53
#43. All the best Sir. Your last paragraph is correct. Any chance you could chair a forum on this issue, Think you'd do a good job my friend.

All the best to you and dear wife.
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/07/2008 22:47:45
According to NHS Scotland, 1,108 women died from breast cancer in 2006..and 4 men...also in 2006 779 men died from prostrate cancer....but is this really what it boils down to?..whingeing about women getting better services than men?....this is about people dying...cervical cancer, testicular cancer etc etc....more women die of breast cancer...prostrate is on the increase...now if you want to do something about it...do what women do...organise....get together and make a lot of noise...run a half marathon and publicise why you are doing it...lobby...create a stramash...these are all the things women have had to do to raise the profile and lack of proper support for victims of breast cancer....dont pass the buck....

...go to the doctor!
47

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/07/2008 22:49:36
"Women demand more!!".....too right pal!
48

JayDeeTee,

16/07/2008 23:14:35
#49. You are so very right in what you say. Hope we men can learn from what you women do so well. Let's hope so.
49

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 23:18:07

Cankers ~49/50,

Well-Done!, you are one 'fiery woman' not to be messed with!

DYW is learning these habits!

She was a tad mousy when I met her, all these years ago, but I am teaching here to 'stand-up' for herself
and not to be afraid to say NO, or do things others expect without question.

One could say, its Men that cause Womens Health Problems in the first place!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/07/2008 23:24:18

JayDeeTee ~52,

BTW, ta for your kind thoughts, re post#48.

Men are born to be rebels, Women 'NEED' to be rebels!

No happy medium 'HUH' :D
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

16/07/2008 23:27:16
Charles...any time I find a lump I wheech aff tae the doctor...I've known male members of my family who have died from cancer...having left it too late, through embarrasment or fear...to get checked out...I'm not saying it would have saved their lives....but we will never know now will we?....you just dont hang about with cancer...and some of these posts tell you why...demand your rights...a second opinion...whatever it takes to be heard..to be seen...to be treated with respect and to have your health taken seriously...
52

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 00:46:08

Cankers ~54,

This I Know! hence my post on opening!
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 23/07/2008 03:09:05
If anyone is interested, and anyone checks this. there is a link..
breastcancer.org..

 

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