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Published Date: 04 December 2008
VICTIMS of the economic downturn can have their mortgage interest payments delayed for up to two years under a government scheme to avoid homes being repossessed, Gordon Brown announced yesterday.
The scheme is due to start early next year and will cover mortgages of up to £400,000. Eight major lenders, responsible for 70 per cent of the UK's mortgage market, have already signed up to the scheme, the Prime Minister said.

He announced the move in the Commons as MPs began debating the Queen's Speech, which set out 11 new bills for government action. These centre on welfare reform, eradicating child poverty and a new savings account for people on low incomes.

Mr Brown said the Homeowners Mortgage Support Scheme was designed to help families where one of two earners was made redundant or suffered a large fall in income. Help on mortgage repayments already exists for single-income households.

Prior to the announcement, there were fears that about 75,000 homes would be repossessed next year. Figures released last month showed that repossessions had risen by 12 per cent across the UK, between the second and third quarters of the year. A total of 11,300 properties were seized between July and September – compared to 10,100 in the preceding three months.

Under the scheme, homeowners who found they could no longer keep up with their repayments would be encouraged to switch to interest-only mortgages, allowing payments to be deferred for up to two years. By that time the government hopes their incomes would have risen back to a level which would allow them to meet their full mortgage payments.

The government would not make any interest payments on the homeowner's behalf during those two years but would guarantee the unpaid amount. In the event of the mortgage payer ultimately defaulting on the loan when the two-year period expires, the taxpayer would cover the lender's losses. The government has set aside £1 billion of public money for this.

The unpaid interest would be added to the total cost of the mortgage, with monthly repayments recalculated once both earners see their income return to normal.

Full details of how the scheme will operate are expected to be announced within days. The banks which, by last night, had agreed to participate are HBOS, Nationwide, Abbey, Lloyds TSB, Northern Rock, Barclays, Royal Bank of Scotland and HSBC.

The level of interest payments to be deferred would be up to 100 per cent.

Mr Brown told the Commons: "Hard-working households that experience a redundancy or severe loss of income as a result of the downturn will be able to defer a proportion of their interest payments for up to two years as they get their family finances back on track."

He said the measure was in addition to protection for the unemployed who can claim help to meet payments after 13 weeks.

"This measure will extend protection for those in work as well as those out of work and be available at a higher level of income," he said. "The result will be more affordable monthly payments for homeowners who are needing a bridge through difficult times."

The Prime Minister also announced that Northern Rock and Bradford & Bingley, the two nationalised banks, were to follow Royal Bank of Scotland in doubling to six months the period before repossession proceedings were started, a move important for those who fall outside the criteria of the new deal. In addition, more legal advice would be offered to people facing financial difficulties.

Mr Brown's spokesman said the measures were targeted at middle-income households who failed to qualify for existing measures to help people claiming Jobseekers' Allowance. Typically, this would cover the situation where one person lost their job, was forced to take a job at a much lower rate or could no longer earn overtime as a result of the worsening economic situation.

It is understood that families with savings in excess of £16,000 will not qualify for assistance. "The first port of call should be people's savings," a government source said.

The aim was to provide such families with "breathing space" to get their finances back in order, the spokesman said. "This is targeted at many of the middle income families who want to work and don't want to go on benefits and simply have their mortgage paid for them." But he admitted the scheme would not prevent repossessions from happening. "We are making it more difficult for repossessions to happen. We are taking action in order to ensure that repossession is a last resort."

Both the SNP and Tories said more details were required about how the scheme would operate. Stewart Hosie MP, the SNP's finance spokesman at Westminster, said: "Just like the fag packet it was written on, this announcement should probably come with a health warning.

"While I welcome any genuine steps that help mortgage holders, the way the Prime Minister has gone about his announcement has created more uncertainty at a time when people want clarity and certainty."

Peter Bolton King, chief executive of the National Association of Estate Agents, said the decision to underwrite mortgage repayments for families facing repossession was "extremely welcome at what is a difficult time for many".

He said: "Finally the banks and government are working together to offer real assistance to the homeowner."

The Unite union's joint general secretary, Derek Simpson, said: "There is nothing more important than keeping a roof over our families' heads and Gordon Brown has shown that he understands this and is prepared to act."

The plan came as it was revealed that banks are to be forced by law to treat their customers fairly and will face hefty fines if they fail to comply. Individual banks also announced steps to ease pressure on borrowers and business customers.

Efforts to shore up the economy, including measures to encourage savers and protect borrowers, were at the core of the Queen's Speech.

Last month, Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England, warned that institutions needed to up their lending – and hinted that steps would be taken to ensure they did.

The moves by the government and individual banks were last night welcomed by the Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland, as well as the CBI.

The Treasury said the Banking Bill would "strengthen the framework for protecting bank depositors, enhance financial stability through measures to reduce the likelihood of banks getting into difficulties and improve the tools available to resolve the situation if they do".

The bill will allow the Bank of England and other authorities to intervene when a bank gets into severe difficulties. It promises to change the Financial Services Compensation Scheme to ensure faster pay-outs.

The legislation also gives the Bank of England a statutory "financial stability objective" and allows it to "lend in a more effective manner".

The bill, which applies to the entire UK, enables the Financial Services Authority to collect information from banks in difficulty and share it with the Treasury and Bank of England. The bill has already begun its passage through parliament.

HOW IT WORKS

• THE Homeowners Mortgage Support Scheme is targeted at families with two earners with a mortgage of up to £400,000 who do not benefit from other schemes.

• The system is activated when one of the earners loses his or her job, or suffers a significant cut in income.

• From the start of next year, they will be able to approach their mortgage lender – eight major lenders representing 70 per cent of the market have signed up already – and ask for their mortgage interest payments to be deferred until their income returns to normal.

• They will be able to defer up to 100 per cent of the mortgage interest payments for up to two years. However, the system will only continue while one person is out of work or earning a substantially reduced wage.

• Homeowners will have to rely on their savings as a first resort, if they have deposits of £16,000 or more.

• Once the family's earnings return to "normal" – this has not been defined yet – then the missed mortgage interest payments will be added to the total sum outstanding.

• The mortgage can then be reprofiled over an agreed number of years. The government's expectation is that repayments are set at a level which is affordable to families' individual circumstances. The government would only pay money to a bank or building society in the event of a mortgage collapsing.

Child Poverty Bill

FOR the first time, the government will enshrine in law its commitment to abolishing child poverty by 2020.

Tony Blair set the ambitious target in 1999, when there were estimated to be about 3.4 million young people living in deprivation. He also laid down an interim goal of halving child poverty by 2010.

To date, around 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty.

However, campaigners have consistently warned that the government is not doing enough to meet its pledges. And the Conservatives said that the number of children in poverty had risen by 100,000 for the second year running.

The target is expected to be particularly difficult in an economic downturn. Consultation is being carried out on what should be in the legislation to best tackle poverty.

Welfare Reform Bill

WELFARE recipients will have to undergo more stringent tests to continue getting benefits.

The bill will abolish Income Support and move all recipients on to either Jobseekers' Allowance if they are well or Employment and Support Allowance if they are sick.

Anyone who does not attend interviews at local Jobcentres to be questioned over what steps they are taking to get into work could be face sanctions. Controversially, the legislation also requires that both the names of the mother and father are put on birth certificate of newborn babies.

Ministers said the bill would help achieve the goal of an 80 per cent employment rate, which they said would be the highest of any major industrialised country. The Conservatives claimed the government had stolen the idea from them.

Equality Bill

THE bill will bring together all strands of equality issues under one piece of legislation. It will fight discrimination in all forms, including age discrimination. One of its main goals is also to tackle the gender pay gap.

The bill will ban "secrecy clauses" so workers can compare their wages and challenge employers who unlawfully pay them less. The government estimates the gender pay gap is 21 per cent when the wages of full and part-time women workers are compared with men.

The bill reduces nine pieces of legislation and around 100 statutory instruments into a single piece of legislation. It will require the Scottish Government's co-operation as it allows Holyrood to set public sector duties for Scottish bodies for three new areas: religion/belief; sexual orientation and age.

Savings Gateway Bill

PEOPLE on low incomes will be encouraged to save, with the government giving them 50p for every £1 they put away. Provisions for the Saving Gateway, will help around eight million people.

Ministers hope people on low incomes will be able to better plan for the future, as well as encouraging them to engage with financial institutions.

It also gives many people who are shut out of the banking system access to a savings account for the first time. People can contribute up to £25 a month to the accounts for 24 months, after which the government contribution of up to £300 will be added.

A pilot of the scheme involving 22,000 people resulted in £15 million being saved. The accounts will be offered by a range of financial institutions such as banks, building societies, credit unions and the Post Office.

The Conservatives branded the bill a "rehash".

Coroners and Justice Bill

CRIMINALS will be banned from profiteering from their memoirs in one of a number of measures contained in this bill.

Although Scotland has its own legal system, large parts of the proposed legislation will apply north of the Border.

Measures that will affect Scotland include ensuring that bans do not run concurrently with custodial sentences.

But other provisions have led to warnings from campaigners that the bill will enshrine an "Orwellian future". New powers allowing personal data to be passed between government departments will create a "database state".

A new mechanism will allow data to be shared between government departments without debate in Parliament. The bill, however, does not address the lack of power that Scotland has in conducting inquests over Scottish soldiers killed abroad. Bereaved Scots families will still have to travel to England for inquests into the deaths of fallen soldiers.

Child Poverty Bill

SCOTLAND will have extended powers over the surrounding seas under the Marine Bill.

FOR the first time, the government will enshrine in law its commitment to abolishing child poverty by 2020.

Tony Blair set the ambitious target in 1999, when there were estimated to be about 3.4 million young people living in deprivation. He also laid down an interim goal of halving child poverty by 2010.

To date, around 600,000 children have been lifted out of poverty.

However, campaigners have consistently warned that the government is not doing enough to meet its pledges. And the Conservatives said that the number of children in poverty had risen by 100,000 for the second year running.

The target is expected to be particularly difficult in an economic downturn. Consultation is being carried out on what should be in the legislation to best tackle poverty.

The bill sets out plans for an extended network of "marine conservation zones" by 2012, which aim to safeguard rare and threatened habitats and species.

It will also introduce a planning system for the seas to cover coastal and offshore developments such as wind farms and a more streamlined process for licensing marine developments. Following a campaign by The Scotsman, Scottish ministers will be given powers to designate marine conservation zones for the Scottish offshore region. Holyrood will be given overall responsibility for planning and environmental conservation matters at sea up to 200 miles from the coast.

Marine and Coastal Bill

SCOTLAND will have extended powers over the surrounding seas under the Marine Bill.

The bill sets out plans for an extended network of "marine conservation zones" by 2012, which aim to safeguard rare and threatened habitats and species.

It will also introduce a planning system for the seas to cover coastal and offshore developments such as wind farms and a more streamlined process for licensing marine developments. Following a campaign by The Scotsman, Scottish ministers will be given powers to designate marine conservation zones for the Scottish offshore region. Holyrood will be given overall responsibility for planning and environmental conservation matters at sea up to 200 miles from the coast.

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moral___superiority_,

03/12/2008 23:06:59
More superb policies from Alistair and Gordon.

No wonder Labour is riding so high in the opinion polls.

Independence is as much a busted flush as ever it has been.
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moral___superiority_,

03/12/2008 23:10:10
Oh dear, Stewart Hosie is in meltdown on Newsnight. Looks like he will have a cardiac if he does not calm down.

It must be Alex Neil's night off.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 00:14:17


moral___superiority_ ~1,

I fear you tell the truth, while Salmond makes no place as seen in our News this week, maybe one is writing to, 'Santa Clause' making his a Christmas list, the Beano comic, being his No1, while HBOS sinks.

Yes Labour,...'Do it Again' this WILL be a 'Vote Puller'!!

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Forward not Back,

04/12/2008 00:14:53
So, let's get this right.

Unemployment is on the way up towards the 3m mark and beyond but the government believe that the recession will be "V" shaped and therefore unemployment will have fallen in two years time.

Can anyone point out what the UK is going to create now that the City of London is being cut down to size, and therefore what jobs will result from that? Investment banking is dead and hedge funds are being decimated and most of the commercial banks bar HSBC and Barclays have government investment in some shape and form. Therefore, the comparative advantage the UK held in financial services has gone.

Meantime, the budget deficit hits 8% of GDP and is based on the promise that foreigners buy government IOU's or the government prints money itself.

Therefore, the value of the pound is collapsing too, meaning a massive drop in standards of living across the economy.

And people think Brown is doing a good job?
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UK007,

04/12/2008 00:15:48
#1-#2.A well written comprehensive analysis of the current situation.
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Plodjfriss, Hammer of the Numpties,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 00:20:34
Good question about the stadiums. Maybe someone's planning a series of rallies?
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UK007,

04/12/2008 00:25:07
#5 Charles Linskaill-Well written,I think ?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 00:38:55


Thank God! we have our Polish immigrant's, they will save us all! :)

But quite honestly, if I was elected and paid as our,...
...Mr Salmond,
I would make sure that I was in the News most days of the year, even if it was the smallest of ventures of concern and interest, in Scottish affairs, a visit to say a School, or Nursey, better still, why did it take,..
...'Forth One' to Orginize the Christmas Meal and night out for the Nurses at the,..
... Edinburghs Sick Childrens Hospital, who were let down badly.

One thing to be a 'Leader' another to, 'Show Face'!

Just Vote for "Linskaill" next time, I will be in your News everyday like now, but in the 'Headlines' not soo much the comments! :)

My Kilt, Pipes and Sabre at the Ready!

'Forward Charge' My Merry Scotts >>>>>>>>>>>:))



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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 00:51:00

The Spook in Leith ~19,

Take it then, you will not be joining the Revolutionary Army?

I have to find recruits somehow! :)

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Edward,

04/12/2008 01:25:51
Ah Gordon such a hero, promising this, but then again he has now easy access to RBS assets worths trillions.
By the time Mugabe Broon is finished, so will RBS!
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 04/12/2008 01:31:34
History will show that Brown was an economic incompetent.

He failed to regulate the entire financial system.

Now he is gambling billions of pounds on schemes to manipulate markets.

What a banana.
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Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 04/12/2008 01:44:35
It is easy to quote the percentage of GDP MugaBroon is borrowing and comparing it to other coutries but they don't have a debt of £100 billion of PFI to take into account. Why aren't the other parties headlining this?
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az,

04/12/2008 01:52:05
The ultimate Buy Now Pay Later ..................
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Growwild,

04/12/2008 01:55:42
How can brown be classed as a saviour or even be said to care after creating it?

Problem-Reaction-Solution, its an old old trick to bring about what the powers that be want. Create the problem, get their media etc to incite/create a reaction, then they come in with a solution..

27.. The other parties now know they will end up having Adolf Broons private police smashing down their doors if they speak out..
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Forward not Back,

04/12/2008 02:09:16
#25 - those assets were falling in value anyway, based on overvalued commercial and residential property in the main.

The fact is that the UK needs to accept a reduction in living standards and a reduction in the size of the public sector. That means the likes of Robinson and McGuinness at Stormont have to stop holding out the begging bowl and try to create enterprise in NI. In Scotland, it means an end to the dependency culture in Glasgow in particular. In England, it means an end to five-a-day co-ordinators and diversity outreach co-ordinators and other such non-jobs.

As for Wales, well it doesn't matter anyway!
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Growwild,

04/12/2008 02:15:19
Traquir.. Your posts are a treat to read and investigate more..

Thanks!!
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W Smith,

Middle East 04/12/2008 02:35:26
I see Labour supporter and so-called socialist Alex Ferguson has been hit by the re... I mean global meltdown.

"I have been impressed by the energetic team, their clarity of vision and by the consistent high returns they have delivered"

Socialist Sir Alex Ferguson commenting on the 3 billion pounds property company aAim - WHICH HAS GONE BUST!

Kenny Farqy boy, assistant editor, can hopefully explain how this fits in with the Scottish Labour Party's "class struggle".

Fergies struggling alright.

Struggling to find a safe place to park his millions while Darling and Brown screw things up!
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Forward not Back,

04/12/2008 04:12:34
#37 - It's a parliamentary tradition and hardly a big deal. Scrapping it would hardly pay one second of the debt interest Brown is racking up.
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Geoff,

sa 04/12/2008 05:32:35
The Spook in Leith-morning Spook! I promise to improve the structure of my posts in future with particular attention to paragraphs.

On the subject, I have always been a "laissez faire" man myself. True Capitalism with all its flaws is the best self regulating system that impartially and sometimes-yes-without compassion, optimises wealth distribution. The capitalism that has developed over the last decades is however deeply flawed with power concentrating both vertically and horizontally, in to too few hands. The "many buyers,many sellers" element is busted.
So, how to fix? State intervention MAY work up to a point. PERCEPTIONS play a huge part in the system. So if state intervention can restart things then maybe Brown has it right BUT, and this is a BIG but,debt levels will have to be reduced and in order to do this ,consumption of goods and services will have to be curtailed at some point-there is no escaping this necessary pain. Without this pain simply printing more money will rescusitate the Inflation Monster.
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Evan Owen,

The IFA Defence Union 04/12/2008 07:17:26
THE LIE
The "government" is to guarantee mortgage interest payments for working families who get into difficulty for a period of two years.


THE TRUTH
The "taxpayer" is to guarantee mortgage interest payments.

THE CONSEQUENCE
Has Cash Gordon taken leave of his sense – this will cost taxpayers billions of pounds on top of the already huge debt! On 31 December 2006, 61 years after World War 11 the UK made its final payment of about $83m (£45.5m) to the US to discharge the last of its loans from World War II. Now as a result of the credit crunch and the FSA failure to regulate banks the taxpayer has incurred the highest level of government debt ever recorded - even more than Britain ran up in the wake of the Second World War.
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Louis Catorze,

04/12/2008 07:32:31
Many people have overextended themselves to jump on the housing bandwagon; now that things are going wrong why should I have to pay for their mistakes?
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Phil C,

04/12/2008 07:38:58
At last. Something that approaches a good idea from Brown! Could be costly but will help all those who have overstretched after numptie heid gave assurances that there would be no more bust. It would be more praiseworthy if he and his chums hadn't caused a major part of the problem in the first place!
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cabrach loon,

inverness 04/12/2008 07:49:36
unfortunately it only puts off the day of reckoning, instead the bankers should be encouraged to make the reduced deal themselves and at least keep the properties occupied and cared for / never let an investment rot should also be their policy / not leave yet again for the taxpayer to bail out / it seems labours policy / let the taxpayer pay, so long as you vote me in again God forbid the extra taxes he must then find to pay off the 1.6 trillion pound debt! You just cannot trust the man!
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 07:55:24
Fanning the flames of debt.
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Phil C,

04/12/2008 07:56:07
The great British public has to take the blame for the mess we're in. They re-elected Labour twice! And that after they were proven to be liars, warmongers, cheats and incompetents. It's Labour voters that should be hanging their heads in shame. They can't say they weren't warned.
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Melly,

Dunblane 04/12/2008 08:12:55
Was it £20,000 the Liebour party said it would cost each Scottish family if the SNP gained power ? Would they now like to tell us just how much the Fly Fifer and his buddies have got us in hock for the forthcoming 50 years?
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BeatTheOffside,

04/12/2008 08:14:30
Yes, another superb idea from Brown and Darling thinking out of the box
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BeatTheOffside,

04/12/2008 08:16:34
Superb idea, and a great Christmas present for thousands
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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 08:17:34
Well done our Gordy contrast this with the First Minsters actions standing on the sidelines carping and offering nothing.And hoping for the worst to befall Scotland in the self seeking hope of gaining a handful of more votes.

#47

another snp democrat vote for anybody you like as long as it is the snp. with the usual snp war cry 'liars, warmongers, cheats and incompetents'. well the snp are experts lying cheating etc.

the snp extremists show nothing but contempt for the scottish electorate do they not realise in a democracy people make a free choice and hurling abuse at them for doing so isn't very likely to gain their support.
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BeatTheOffside,

04/12/2008 08:30:53
Splendid thinking "outside the box"
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caithness,

the snowy north 04/12/2008 08:31:37
The house idea makes sense because how will the BS sell the properties, who has the money to buy them?
PS anyone else know that our levels of borrowing are getting so big that international financial instititions are concerned that in time we may default on our debt because it won't be serviceable. Well done, Gordon, turning us into a South American banana republic. Way to go, pal.
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Rambo The Jambo,

04/12/2008 08:42:12
....and it allows houseowners to default on their mortgages, safe in the knowledge that they can run up two years of missed payments, get the house reposessed (eventually) and disappear with thousands of pounds of unpaid interest in their pockets, courtesy of the taxpayer.

Bad idea.

Good idea for shirkers and defaulters.
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Melly,

Dunblane 04/12/2008 08:43:38
#43 NONE !!
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Just shaved the ootside of the post,

04/12/2008 08:45:25
Think it's an excellent idea.

Well done the Think Tank
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John S,

04/12/2008 08:54:38
Gordon crunch time is coming with 546 days or 1 year, 5 months, 30 days or 47,174,400 seconds or 786,240 minutes or 13,104 hours or 78 weeks until 3 June 2010 the last possible UK general election date.
Tick Tock! Tick Tock ! Tick Tock !
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Jonathan,

UAE 04/12/2008 08:58:57
If another party, or indeed a coalition had been in power instead of Tony Blair's New Labour, would the fiscal predicament we find ourselves in today be any different?

I doubt it.

Of greater concern to me is how this mess is sorted out, if at all.

Gordon Brown's solution for indebted house owners is a master act in politics. I'm sure in two years time (after the next election) he'll extend the grace period each year until it's convenient.

The only consequence of Labour's position must be that capital flight will continue and that brain drain will accelerate.

Personally, I'll be voting for the Conservatives at the next election. After Blair, who can trust Brown?
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The Strategist,

04/12/2008 09:01:19
So Gordon expects taxpayers to save the banks and to save those that the banks lent money to. Astonishing.
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Toast,

04/12/2008 09:06:17
It is going to take a lot longer than two years for the effects of this recession to pass and house prices are going to drop by at least another 25%,one of the most stupid ideas I have ever heard,even from brown
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 04/12/2008 09:10:30
"PEOPLE on low incomes will be encouraged to save ..."

What a brilliant idea! Does Mr Bean suggest we give our savings to a bank in return for 0% interest, or maybe invest in the stock market (currently worth little more than 50% of its January 2000 value)?

It's certainly time that nos 10 and 11 Downing Street were repossessed.
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Calum10,

04/12/2008 09:27:51
Just more Labour spin, lies and deceit because the banks are saying that this measure will DO NOTHING to prevent house repossessions.

People will buy the headline but will still lose their homes.
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I'll have a wee one, if you are,

04/12/2008 09:33:38
I have never posted here before, so I'm not sure how this all works.

I think that the idea is a splendid one.

Do I just post now?
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Richard Lionheart,

04/12/2008 09:38:32
It was reported just after G Brown made his announcement that the Lenders (all of whom had allegedly agreed with this plan) knew absolutely nothing about it and were saying that they would have to get the details.

Suggestions were made that this policy had been made on the hoof, something akin to a policy drawn up on the back of a fag packet.

G Brown went round the World for 10 years masquerading as the master of the financial universe spreading his message of increased borrowing = growth and the extinction of bust.

Surely now World leaders must realise that he is all front and no substance.
All he really seems to want to save is a job, specifically his own.
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Calum10,

04/12/2008 09:42:48
The reaction from the banks has been thus;

The banks DON'T KNOW who would eligible under the scheme.

The banks DON'T KNOW how costs are to be shared with government.

The banks DON'T KNOW how the money is to be paid back.

The banks DON'T KNOW who picks up the final bill.

As one senior banker at Lloyds said yesterday, "You can tell Peter Mandelson’s back in town. The press are being briefed before we’ve even been properly consulted."

The one thing the banks DO KNOW is that the outline plan will DO NOTHING to prevent house repossessions.

This is a completely bogus scheme that simply goes for the headline. As usual stupid editors bought it hook, line and sinker.
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Miss H,

04/12/2008 09:51:37
A lot of these are sensible measures which the SNP has advocated - the mortgage scheme, the state matched savings scheme (which Labour heavily criticised as unaffordable in 2005 - funny how it becomes affordable in an economic crisis!) the marine and coastal bill.

Other things are more contentious in my view - particularly the welfare reform bill. Everyone can agree with the aim but I have serious doubts about the implementation.

To take one very practical and perhaps minor point. When people are called for an interview or medical assessment by the benefits agency the letter is sent out just by normal post. It is not sent out by recorded delivery or registered post so there is no record of the recipient actually having received the letter. Yet if they do not show up for the interview their benefit is cut. How much extra would it cost to send important letters by recorded delivery? That's one (perhaps minor) point I think they need to look at but it is indicative of the whole way the system works. It's all about ticking boxes and they don't think about the end user. If these measures are to have any effect they need to change their mindset as well as the system and start dealing with benefit claimants as individuals.
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AJ Fife,

04/12/2008 09:55:51
Mr Broon screws the economy and his popularity increases??

Does this reflect a rise in people with mental health issues?
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snoozyowl,

Wales 04/12/2008 09:56:42
The govt does not know how much this will cost. I predict a very large bill indeed as the smarter end of the market takes advantage. Also, it won't work for older workers near the end of their mortgages, only for those with at least 10 years to run. And please, Gordon, stop using the ridiculous cliche 'hard working families'. We know why they have to work so hard, don't we? It's you, Gordon, and your mostrous state spending.
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Miss H,

04/12/2008 09:58:52
Re the mortgage scheme - no it won't halt all repossessions and I agree it has been announced before all the details have been worked up. But from what I heard on the radio it is not the case that the government will pay peoples mortgages from them. What the banks have agreed to is that the mortgages of people who suddenly lose their income (i.e. lose their jobs) will be put into abeyance for 2 years. If they have not got back onto their feet in 2 years then yes they will lose their house. Equally, where people have got into difficulties by over extending themselves, rather than because they have lost their job, the scheme will not help them. I can't really argue with that. Part of the reason for this crisis is that people have been encouraged to take on financial commitments to fund home ownership that they can't manage. We need to face reality about that. In my view it is not the government's job to pay for people to own their own home if those people can't afford it. It is the government's job to ensure that everyone can access affordable housing but not to subsidise home ownership.
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snoozyowl,

Wales 04/12/2008 10:00:06
By the way, everyone in a society can't have everything guaranteed. Labour is going that way... There still has to be a large part of the country not on economic life support or financial drip feed. Gordon is making that part smaller and smaller and the result, when the bills come in, will be a social explosion led by those paying the enormous bills that are coming our way.
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Alan B,

04/12/2008 10:08:10
Problem is Brown has been so poor at running the economy he has not credibility left.
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AwayGoalsCount,

04/12/2008 10:21:43
Think this is a great idea, and a magic time of year to suggest it.
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AwayGoalsCount,

04/12/2008 10:23:58
But the Think Tank of Brown and Darling do know
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AwayGoalsCount,

04/12/2008 10:27:20
I think this is a splendid idea, and hats off to the Big Two
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AwayGoalsCount,

04/12/2008 10:28:43
How do you post on this system?
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Itchy,

04/12/2008 10:36:47
#40 "The capitalism that has developed over the last decades is however deeply flawed with power concentrating both vertically and horizontally, in to too few hands. The "many buyers,many sellers" element is busted."

The 'capitalism' of which you speak does not exist and has never existed.

"So, how to fix? State intervention MAY work up to a point. "

Interventionism is the problem. Intervention in the money supply by means of a central bank and intervention by Looter Brown who loves to tax.
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brownlie,

04/12/2008 10:38:29
49 Nikostratos

Nikos, old chum, what a contradictory message you give on behalf of us unionists.

In one paragraph you say "Do they not realise that in a democracy people make a free choice and hurling abuse at them for doing so is not very likely to gain their support"

Whereas in the previous paragraph you refer to the SNP as experts lying, cheating etc.

I suggest, respectfully, that we are not very likely to gain their support in the face of such abuse.

Back to the article you will know that our policy is to procrastinate and hope that "things can only get better". If we save even one house from being repossessed before the election that will be hailed as a major triumph.

We will ignore the fact that the rug will be pulled from under people's feet after the election because our noses will be firmly back in the trough.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 04/12/2008 10:42:48
#5 your probably right labour might get a vote after this. probably from you... but I don't think one vote is enough to save the stinking union.
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cripper,

n ireland 04/12/2008 10:52:01
what if a person gets sacked from their job, do they qualify?

what if a hard working family lose 1 job and the other works, but they spend pots of cash on booze and / or drugs, does the taxpayer pay for their habbits?

what about the black market profiteers who lose their minimum wage jobs / suddenly are no longer self employed but are still making a packet from drugs/ciggies/booze/people smuggling do they qualify as well?

this surely cannot be passed as it is yet another inroad for benefit fraud.

people we need to do something about this - street protests petitions something, adolf mc broon needs de-throned ASAP!
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Elephant,

04/12/2008 10:57:16
So, if you need a mortgage now who do you go to? The Dunfermline B. Soc (prudent, local, run in interests of members, but with no 2 year payment holiday) OR HBOS (risk taking, amorphous, run in interests of suits / govt, but with a 2 year payment holiday). Can / will the smaller, better lenders participate? After the headlines have gone will consumers remember anyone other than the big six names?
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puskas,

East kilbride 04/12/2008 11:01:37
No 8, Spook ... No 9, Plodjpriss

Hi .. which stadium on the sales list will be first to go.
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puskas,

East kilbride 04/12/2008 11:13:33
No's 3 etc. Traquir, Alba.

You have a fine way with words Traquir.

Well put, truthful, factual and from the heart.

I admire your attacks on the Westminster Government and Unionism.

The unionists have no answer and attempt to discredit using comments more suitable for the Beano.

Yes you are ably backed by many thoughtful comments from others.

Regards.





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English flag,

04/12/2008 11:16:01
The nats didnae see that one coming.
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 04/12/2008 11:27:41
More and more Lord of SLeaze and Murk spin. headlining at its best ...but look for the" bottom line"and you will definitely not find...To pay for this we shall increase taxes even more pproviding the fools have not kicked us out.
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English flag,

04/12/2008 11:44:45
Independence, not a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.
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English flag,

04/12/2008 11:50:55

Raymond Thomas Brooke. 75000 homes are repossessed each week,would you rather the government did nothing and let hard working people go homeless.
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English flag,

04/12/2008 11:54:11

puskas, Well here's a comment NOT suitable for the Beano.
Go stuff your independence where the sun don't shine!
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AwayGoalsCount,

04/12/2008 12:21:36
May I post?
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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 12:33:51
#72 Brown owl

The snp are not the electorate they are a sort of political party and indeed have an expert knowledge on lying,cheating etc.

Also I do not insult people for voting for the nationalists or any other party they make a free choice although I may disagree. The difference between me and nationalists such as yourself is I do accept the outcome of any given democratic election without personal rancour towards the Scottish electorate.
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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 13:00:45
poor ole alex and his threadbare promises

Oil prices sank to their lowest level in three-and-a-half years, accumulating more than a $100 drop in less than five months, amid fresh concerns on Tuesday that the Opec oil cartel may not reduce its production level as much as it has promised.

The fall to Tuesday’s low of $46.82 a barrel from July’s record high of $147.27 has prompted a dramatic drop in wholesale costs for oil products such as petrol and heating oil. In New York, wholesale gasoline prices on Tuesday hit an intraday low just above the psychological $1-a-gallon level.


ttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9d41a448-c0b7-11dd-b0a8-000077b07658,dwp_uuid=f2b40164-cfea-11dc-9309-0000779fd2ac.html
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AJ Fife,

04/12/2008 13:10:39
The poster at #81 and #82 has the reek of Kimba about them.

I do hope so!
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Miss H,

04/12/2008 13:16:24
79 What nonsense you talk. Far from not seeing it coming the SNP Government has been calling on the UK Government to use its powers to do more to help people facing financial difficulties due to the recession.

The SNP Government has already taken all the measures within its competence to help people facing repossession – including diverting resources intended to support first time buyers into supporting people facing difficulties paying their mortgages. Labour criticised this with the usual ritual chant of another SNP broken promise.

Where Labour are going wrong here – and it is reflected in these comments – is in trying to spin this as a means by which no-one will ever lose their home. That is not true. People who have over extended themselves will not be protected from repossession by this or any other measure. It is really only people who find themselves in financial difficulties because they have lost their jobs that will be supported by this measure. And as another poster pointed out that is not going to be much good if you are in your late fifties and unlikely to get another job.

For people in that position current circumstances are tragic because not only do they face losing their homes but the chances are that their pensions will have taken a big hit as well and they will have much less to cushion retirement than they were counting on.
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Miss H,

04/12/2008 13:28:07
86 Niko Oil revenues have brought in £13.2 billion to the UK Treasury this year.

Let me put that in context for you.

The proposed cut which the UK Treasury is making to the Scottish Budget is half a billion pounds. That is 3.8% of the oil revenues. It is equivalent to the entire Scottish affordable housing budget, the entire prison budget or half of the universities budget.

So 3.6% of oil revenues - and even the UK Govt admits that an independent Scotland would have around 90% of oil revenues - would pay for a doubling of the affordable housing budget, a doubling of the universities budget or a doubling of the prison budget.

Given how much time Labour spend moaning on about how the SNP does not spend enough on housing, universities or prisions you would think the penny would drop at some point. But no. At the same time as ranting on about supposed SNP 'cuts' you guys also rant on about how oil revebues would make no difference to the Scottish economy.

The lack of logic underlying your position beggars belief.
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Tris,

Dundee 04/12/2008 13:28:14
#34

It might have been tactful todownplay the pomp. It must be hard for a pensioner sitting cold in the house, with several layers of clothes on, to see all this spendour, which supposedly belongs to the people, being flaunted as they shiver.

Of course the saving of what it cost would be nothing in the great scheme of madness that is Brown's Britian, but, it could have been given to a charity, and, more importantly, it wouldn't have rubbing our noses in their wealth, and our poverty.
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Tris,

Dundee 04/12/2008 13:32:34
#16

I wonder what the estimed Mr Murphy has to say to that?
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Fred Quimby,

04/12/2008 14:14:07
Brown mortgage relief is another spin another lie



Dizzy cuts to the chase and calculates that on 52% of houshold mortgages could maximally be covered and let us reflect that second mortgages are not covered.


http://tinyurl.com/2qv2bd


Spin, lies and incompetence

I am going to have to get an IP identity cloak in this Brave New World of Brown.

He is completely off his head.#

My French missus studied some images of Brown, unbeknown to me , and told me that he has a serious alcohol problem.

She was until recently a Social Worker helping people living on the street and specifically those with alcohol problems. She is also a qualified psychologist.


Any opinions?

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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 15:01:50
#90

The logic of always relying on the price of oil rising.Bemoaning our stolen oil the elixir of independence which when it crashes trough the floor tends to show the snps false promise of false dawn of an Independent Scotland.

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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 15:09:14
#90

The logic of always relying on the price of oil rising.Bemoaning our stolen oil the elixir of independence which when it crashes trough the floor tends to show the snps false promise of false dawn of an Independent Scotland.

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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 15:11:41
#94

yeah your a quimby for sure a big one to
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Number 6,

Germany 04/12/2008 15:29:08
Hilarious the way the unionistas are trying to put a positive spin on this shambles. Have any of them noticed that once again, this is non binding.

The tax-payer will not be fleeced 'till customer and bank have reached an agreement.

Should the banks decide not to get involved in what is a laughable proposal, what will Brown do ?.

His usual hand-wringing "It's no ma fault " routine no doubt.It beggars belief that this shambles could garner as much as one single vote in Scotland .
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Miss H,

04/12/2008 15:37:14
95 Go back and try reading what I said again.

Some day you will understand it.
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/12/2008 16:40:12
96
Och Niko, away and polish Gordon's photie.
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Florence,

Edinburgh 04/12/2008 16:41:05
40 NIKOSTRATOS: Your demented postings are incomprehensible. Are you incapable of any kind of measured debate?
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Boab,

Glasgow 04/12/2008 16:54:51
Great. After spending a decade listening to home owners riffing about the obscene profits they were making (around 200% increase in property values since 1997); now we get the privilege of paying off their overvalued homes. People really are dumb if they think Gordo is coming to their rescue.
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Darien,

Panama 04/12/2008 16:55:32
"Brown helps crunch victims keep homes"

If you believe that you'll believe anything. You might even believe that Brown saved HBOS! Brown and the media, spinning together in perfect harmony.
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English flag,

04/12/2008 16:56:50
So what exactly don't the nationalist like about GB? and as the people of Scotland benefit to the tune of an extra £1,000 per person per year what is your problem with the union.
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Nikostratos,,

04/12/2008 16:56:51
#102

away and buy a new jumber

#103

Probably not he he he
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04/12/2008 17:22:30
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Growwild,

04/12/2008 18:04:53
108... Traquir :)

Hahahahahahah, classic!!

I forgot what I was going to say after reading that :)

We should have our own independnnt FREE media for a true voice of the people and I'd give you front page everyday ;)

Peace!
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Darien,

Panama 04/12/2008 18:08:07
#106 The obvious solution to your problem would be to create the English National Party (ENP). Please do.
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Boab,

Glasgow 04/12/2008 18:16:55
The same private profit, public risk we saw with the banks. Shame for anyone losing their home; but under Broon, property was allowed to become an investment vehicle rather than a means of looking after oneself. I don't see why taxpayers need to bail out home owners - it's rewarding bad economic behaviour.

Goodness, when did I turn into such a Calvinist? This is what a decade of renting does to you.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 04/12/2008 20:40:59
Homeowners onto the dependency culture.

Where will the list end?

And we all thought Wilson was bad.......
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04/12/2008 20:41:52
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 04/12/2008 21:13:20
This is totally the wrong thing to do, we are now subsidising over inflated house prices, when we should be investing in affordable housing. This will do nothing to help those caught in the mortgage trap, it's only going to prolong the agony.
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Boab,

Glasgow 04/12/2008 23:19:35
I've probably vented my spleen over this enough today and there's no-one left reading ... but this protection goes up to £400,000. A house worth £130K in 1997 will, on average, be worth £390,000; so taxpayers will be covering two years worth of payments on a home owner's personal profit of £260,000. My maths are probably sketchy somewhere, but it goes to show the insanity of this decision. Wonder how many of these struggling home owners used to run banks ... OK, time for bed!

 

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