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Published Date: 15 September 2008
BARACK Obama raised $66 million (£37 million) for his presidential campaign in August, a record-breaking sum which puts the United States on track for its first billion-dollar election.

Democratic supporters said that the success of the fund-raising, surpassing John McCain's $47 million (£27 million), showed the strength of their candidate in a fortnight where Mr McCain's running mate, Sarah Palin, has dominated the news. Opinion
polls show that the race between Mr Obama and Mr McCain is dead even. "People don't give money if they think you are going to lose," said Phil Noble, the Democratic party pollster.

The August total tops the $55 million (£31 million) Mr Obama raised last February during the primary campaign. In 2004, President George Bush spent $350 million (£195 million) and his Democratic challenger John Kerry $320 million (£178 million).

This year, with more than $100 million (£55 million) rolling into the two parties each month, the election will break through the billion-dollar ceiling by the time the US votes on 4 November. David Plouffe, the Obama campaign manager, said the cash infusion, which includes 500,000 new donors, proves underlying strength.

The new donors demonstrate just how strongly the American people are looking to kick out "special interests" and change Washington, he said. Mr Obama's war chest means he can afford TV advertising in all target states. "That money means he can do anything he wants to do – he doesn't have to make choices," said Mr Noble.

The figures are testament to a revolution in US campaign financing. For years, there were complaints of corporations and unions dominating the political process, with predictions elections would be ever-more decided by big money.

The predictions were right about the cash – but wrong about its source. Since 2003, corporations and unions have been forbidden to donate, and people are limited to $2,300 each, thanks to legislation from Mr McCain and a fellow senator. The rules have turned campaign finance upside down, cutting off the oceans of "soft" money that had washed over the two established parties.

The finance rules are tight: money spent on merchandise counts towards an individual's $2,300 limit and those buying T-shirts and banners at both party conventions had to register names, addresses and amounts. The result has been a revolution: money is pouring into politics as never before, but the cash comes increasingly from the voters, not special interests.

Mr Obama's campaign has also set up a sophisticated internet operation to encourage an army of 2.5 million donors – nicknamed the Obamacans – half of whose donations are under $20. Proponents say the technique understands human behaviour. None but the most committed will write a $5 cheque, find an envelope and a stamp and go to a post box once or twice a month. But donating online takes just 30 seconds.

It also means Mr Obama's supporters have not "maxed-out" early, allowing his staff to keep going back to the Obamacans month after month for cash.

Mr McCain has also seen a cash injection after the selection of Alaska governor Mrs Palin as vice-presidential candidate rejuvenated his party. He opted to take public finance in his primary campaign, which limits his spending to $84 million. However, this does not stop his party raising its own money and spending it on Mr McCain's campaign, the only potential disadvantage for him being the party, rather than the candidate, decides what the cash is spent on.

Dollars are badly needed by both sides. Perhaps 16 of the 50 states could easily swing either way. Reaching the voters means bombarding all TV stations, in all states, all the time. Coming to the rescue of both men is election fever. The US is galvanised about the vote.

Mr Obama's 2.5 million helpers put him out in front, but his stardust has been captured by Mrs Palin, whose speech to the Republican convention saw $10 million (£5.5 million) pour into party coffers.

As things stand, Mr Obama, win or lose, will go down as the man who raised more than any other in the history of US presidential campaigns. And if the cash does help him win, he will owe ironic thanks to Mr McCain, whose legislation five years ago made it happen.

System set up in the wake of Watergate

IN SAYING he was rejecting government money for his presidential campaign, Barack Obama has broken with a system first set up in the aftermath of Watergate.

Concerned by secret donations given to former president Richard Nixon by 21 corporations, including airlines and oil companies, congress decided in the 1970s to put elections on a public footing.

The idea was simple: the government would fund the campaigns so that special interest groups would not get a look in and democracy would prevail.

Since Watergate, while candidates raise their own funds for their primary battles, the election itself is paid for from the public purse.

But recent years have seen the purveyors of soft money, including business and unions, find ways around the system.

Most notably this has come from the so-called 527 groups, named after a loophole that allows anyone with cash to run their own political advertisements.

Earlier this year Mr Obama joined Mr McCain in pledging to use public money this autumn.

But in the summer Mr Obama changed his mind: Officially his reason was that, with so many loopholes that can be exploited by big business, the post-Watergate public finance system is broken.

Republicans say it is simply that Mr Obama raised more cash privately than he would get publicly.

But with both parties raising unheard of sums through internet appeals, it is likely that they will each opt out of public finance in future elections.

ANALYSIS

QUESTIONS over Sarah Palin's foreign policy qualifications continued this weekend. The vice-presidential candidate made a well-documented trip to Kuwait and Germany last year to visit US troops, and her staff have revealed she has also visited Canada and Mexico. But aides have clarified that a purported visit to Ireland was little more than a refuelling stop at Shannon during her trip to the Middle East.

On Saturday, a Palin aide said the Alaska governor also travelled 400m into Iraq during her July 2007 trip to the region to participate in a re-enlistment ceremony for a member of the Alaska National Guard.

That answer appears to contradict one given to the Boston Globe, which reported this weekend that McCain-Palin aides had twice revised their description of Palin's Iraq visit.

The newspaper said aides initially said Palin had visited a "military outpost" inside Iraq. It said campaign aides and members of the Alaska National Guard subsequently said she did not venture beyond the Iraq/Kuwait border when she visited the Khabari Alawazem Crossing on 25 July, 2007.

The discrepancy prompted a blistering memorandum to campaign reporters by aides to the Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama.

"The McCain campaign has distorted, distracted and outright lied to the American people about her record in a desperate attempt to hide the fact that a McCain/Palin administration would be nothing more than a continuation of the failed Bush policies of the last eight years," the memo read.







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  • Last Updated: 15 September 2008 12:09 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: US elections
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/09/2008 00:37:17

As I said in previous posts on the American Election,..

"The More Gltz, the Better"

It is all like a 'great movie' or a 'mouth watering', soap opera but the difference IS!,..

This time round, 'Hearts are Melting' on that Baby Issue, and the Americans, unlike us!, are very,...

....'Family Minded,

One waits with anticipation.
2

FTH22inarow,

15/09/2008 01:24:42
scary stuff, the yanks have only elected 1 catholic, and they shot him, so a black man and a cathoic are not going to win, and so we've got a geriatric and a nutcase who are going to win, only america canelect these imbeciles
3

Scullion,

Canada 15/09/2008 01:29:08
These are odd times when a vice-presidential candidate is actually being compared to a presidential candidate. McCain is becoming increasingly invisible as time moves on-perhaps it was planned this way.
4

nolimits,

Far North 15/09/2008 02:38:03
#4 Scullion: Could be, could be. There are some strange truths to the south of us. I just hope they don't open up the offshore North Slope waters to off shore oil production. There is already chatter around the oil patch that this will happen immediately following a Republican victory at the polls.
5

TommyKaye,

UK 15/09/2008 02:49:50
So what!

As they wake up in Granton and Wester Hailes this morning Lossiemouth and Invergordon,Dunoon and Dundee they all say - So WHAT!

6

Willie Macleod,

Wick 15/09/2008 03:03:50
#6 And Wick!
7

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesbsurg 15/09/2008 04:31:45
#6 and #7 . Whether you like it or not - or whether they like it in Wick - the world is now one global village and what happens in the US election will affect you one way or another!
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PamS,

USA 15/09/2008 05:15:37
I am not sure where you get the idea that there is no soft money in these campaigns. http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/electioneering.php

The unions have already donated well over $2 million in this election cycle.

9

Lanna,

15/09/2008 08:01:43
This just shows that you can keep throwing money at a problem, but it won't solve anything...

#10 Rules,
yes, very sad...no more Davy Crockett types ('backwoods statesman') for us. Not sure how anarchism relates to not voting, but hey if it works for you.

#8 Tatties,
unfortunately, quite true
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11

A Crofter,

Western Isles 15/09/2008 08:55:48
Yawn. Haven't these folk anything better to do with their lives?

There should be a statutory time limit imposed on election campaigns - and their media coverage.
12

John Cameron,

St Andrews 15/09/2008 09:04:14
This a wonderful election. Why can we not have colourful characters like these Americans? There is a real choice between the Chicago Hybrid, with his scary wife and Middle Eastern hoodlum backers together with a running mate whose main claim to fame is that he was so bereft of ideas he nicked one of Neil Kinnock's ghastly, rambly speeches. They are opposed by a veteran war hero (someone even older than me) and the great Moose Eater as his running mate. Well, she looks a lot more capable than the useless, frumpy, female politicians we are lumbered with such as Harman and Cooper - and a LOT more fun!
13

E300,

15/09/2008 09:19:09
14 John Cameron
"Why can we not have colourful characters like these Americans?"
How can you say that when we have the scintillating Gordon Brown and Iain Gray and the charming wonderful Wendy Alexander and Cathy Jamieson?
Oh! I see what you mean.
14

gymlock,

Encino 15/09/2008 09:58:56
Hey, folks over there across the pond! What are you all worried about us for? Either you or France is going to be the world's next Muslim country!
15

voltaire's janny,

15/09/2008 10:12:05
Yo gymlock.

You are right to be worried about our religious nutters, because of course you don't have any right?
16

Jay Kay,

15/09/2008 11:17:04
I can't beleive that nutters like Sarah Palin can be allowed the chance to sit as vice and possibly as President, If McCain is sworn in and 3 months down the line has a heart attack and dies this woman will have control of one of the most nurotic and paranoid coutries in the world, it will be her god given right to go to war with any other country who opposes the American way, capitalism in a country thats Broke with Fannie May and Freddie Mac debauchle going on in the background.

Eeeeeekkk yikes, were all DOOMED, DOOMED I tell YE.

The only real way out of that situation is to start a nice little world war and reduce the population dramatically.

It sickens me that these sums of money are being thrown at a politial race when the state of the country could really use that money to help the poor or the sick but Nooooo lets have a big glitzy show for the people because then they can stick their heads in the sand and forget about the real world problems right?

This is a country that would elect an actor as president or for that matter their current incumbent George Dubya "Im gona finish what my daddy started" Bush, wholly cr*p even Hollywood couldnt make this stuff up.
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Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 15/09/2008 12:24:52
What a sheer and utter waste of money. If less was available and we were deluged less with the Yankee election, that would be a worthwhile situation.
However, I had hoped that the continual hype on the TV would help to convince the republican orientated people down here that if Australia goes to a republic, then we may get the same sort of stuff that we see on TV and vote against it.
However on tonight's news it seems that Charlie wants Camilla as queen. Now THAT would tip a lot of people to a republican sentiment.
What I want is a nice quiet little tropical island well above the waterline and not in the cyclone belt.
Trouble is that they are all taken.
what to do . What to do.
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Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 15/09/2008 12:31:47
#18
Nero called it 'panem et circenses' and the people loved it. It took their minds off the miserableness of their little lot. That was part of the decline of Pax Romana. This may well be a repeat of the same scenario.
Join me on my little tropical island if and when I find one.
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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 12:36:55
Democracy - 1bn - economy in the toilet - ya gotta love it.
20

Carolyn 1,

15/09/2008 12:45:50
@18 said "This is a country that would elect an actor as president"

Insults to Ronald Reagon, the man attributed for defeating communism and without firing a bullet, was an actor, but he was also governor of the state of California which is the most populated and diverse state of the United States. Anyone, including JayKay, who belittles the accomplishment of being governor is arrogant and way too cocky. Ignoring that the 'actor' brought down the Berlin War belittles all mankind who worked to defeat the Cold War and liberate the countries who were shackled under communism.

There is an expression- You are as good as the best thing you've done. Sarah Palin is governor of a state the same size as her VP opponent except Joe Biden was never governor of the state.

Governor Palin accomplished a pipeline deal, working with leaders and business from foreign countries- and she did it without taxpayers money. That's quite an achievement for a woman working in the good ole boys league.
Would the JayKays give her more recognition if she worked like Putin and used threats and the country's money?
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Carolyn 1,

15/09/2008 12:51:49
The race is a circus because Hollywood and the entire planet for that matter, is swooning over Obama. Swooning! It IS embarrassing.
The vast sums of money he raises and quickly spends is ludicrous.
22

Let's have the truth,

In a bomb shelter 15/09/2008 13:17:51
Is it too late for another contender to throw their hat in the ring as McPain and O'bummer are a pair of failures.
23

hcbowman,

Virginia, USA 15/09/2008 13:34:40
While the amount of money spent in this campaign may be unprecedented, I do not think it is as dire a sign as some readers have suggested. A great deal of this money has been raised from individual citizens, and the number of small donors suggests that popular interest in this election is very high. Let us not forget that making a campaign contribution is legitimate way to participate in the democratic process.

After several elections with low voter turn-out and widespread apathy, this one has me hopeful that the ordinary US citizen hasn't completely abandoned his civic responsibility.
24

DonetoDeath,

Texas 15/09/2008 13:40:47
I will be glad when November 4th has come and gone. Two years of the trash has been been been been oh please bring this to a end!!!!!!!!!!!
25

Kelvino,

Paradox Ravine, New York 15/09/2008 14:06:44
ATTENTION - free-market, conservative Americans. . . .

Allan Greenspan will be calling you today for your expert advice !

"Bonfire of the Vanities" time in America !

Only McCain can save us now, as he has publicly expessed NO KNOWLEDGE of economics whatever !

Now that's "small change" we can believe in !
26

Regret,

15/09/2008 14:12:21
THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. Where is it going? Back into and stimulating the US economy?

27

Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 15/09/2008 14:17:05
Kelvino.. while BO can bring the country further down with his convoluted economics theory .

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 15/09/2008 14:26:04
Carolyn1. I only agree with the facts that too much money is spent on these campaigns and its length.
There should be a line drawn as to how much, because truthfully we could support a third world country for what is spent on these things.!! There is way too much time for campaigning..you get campaign fatigue from all this. I can't bear to watch this anymore.
You get tired of it. I have to admit, that by the time the debates roll by for these 2 I already know who I am going to vote for. The debates should have gone on during the summer.
But I will say one thing, in watching the "interviews" I have made a decison, about what tv station and people I will not watch again.
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cdo9933,

W.Wva. 15/09/2008 14:42:35
Great we have BOTH candidates campainging/raising BILLIONS while at the same running on economy saving tickets. can someone help me cry BS! Seriously my vote goes to the one who puts that money to something useful! You something that might atleast chip away a trillion dollar debt. BUT WHAT THE HECK IS INTEGRITY ANYWAY.
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Kelvino,

Berkshires - NY 15/09/2008 14:45:19
Lynn:

Good point, economics IS a convoluted area, more so than anyone can determine, as we are finding out.

If it is convoluted to you, you have a lot of company, myself included.

We really need to look at who has the brain-power to think this through and roll with the punches, not present some simplistic slogans to an
ill-informed public.

I would not be looking to Rusty Wallace to head up Microsoft, nor McCain to determine the direction of our country's economy.
31

Pilrig.,

Livingston 15/09/2008 16:12:54
US prez election + "There's no business like show business !"
32

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/09/2008 16:34:18
is there any real difference between Obama and the current regime? Here's an article from Washington Post that casts doubt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/14/AR2008091401973.html

Quite a few months ago Obama gave a speech criticizing Bush for not attacking Pakistan from bases in Afghanistan. Now the US is attacking Pakistan from bases in Afghanistan.

http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=349151

Now the US is having military conflicts direct with Pakistani troops. The US is a great world leader in terms of war, death, destruction, torture, fascism and domination. Here is an article on that.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/america-the-glo.html#more

The journalist who wrote this last article is being fired right now. Fascism marches on. Our conversation becomes more and more separated from reality. The reality is that the regime marches its agenda forward and we are spectators.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/09/2008 16:40:29
Kelvino: regarding economics, the 4 alternative candidates of Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McCinney, Ralph Nader and Ron Paul all 4 agree that we need to eliminate the Federal Reserve. We need to audit them closely and look for criminal activity. We need to throw them in jail if justified. We need to stop creating US dollars and debt through this corrupt private for-profit institution called the Federal Reserve. We need to do an about-face and reverse the policies of the ruling regime.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=484

Unless we do this, then they will orchestrate events which will cause bad things to happen, including world-wide war and unpleasant political changes.
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 16:43:58
In case you missed it. . . . here's a great video of "Sarah" and "Hillary" . . . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnRUKIMegn8
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/09/2008 17:11:15
Today in the news we read about financial turmoil. The US privatized the ability to create US dollars in 1913. Today US policy serves the interest of a private bank, propping up the US dollar's value with many schemes involving military force and the cooperation of many institutions world-wide. A side-effect of this is financial turmoil we read about today.

Here is an article about how the US military effort is being privatized.

http://the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4738&Disp=1#C1

We've also been reading that today 25% of the raw intelligence gathered by the US intelligence agencies are gathered by private contractors. Remember the Downing Street Memo how the US government directed that intelligence be fixed to conform to the policy. With private companies gathering intelligence this will be easier in the future than in the past.

Fascism marches forward. The election means absolutely nothing. The supporters of Ron Paul used the slogan that he was America's Last Hope. Paul was popular, just short of McCain's popularity in opinion polls last December. But when the corporate media took over and began to indoctrinate the Americans on the election, they learned that Ron Paul was not a real candidate and they supported McCain instead.

Paul was the rebel who wanted to turn things around. He wanted to delete the Federal Reserve, bring all troops home from all 70 countries they're in. He wanted to eliminate the IRS, to cut defense spending by 70%, to eliminate almost all funding for intelligence. He wanted to change up trade arrangements as required to help the American domestic economy prosper. He was not with the fascist regime. The Americans were asleep and they didn't even know.
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 17:35:11
Wally:

While I agree with many of your observations, all that appears practical, here and now, is to take a leap of faith and vote for one of these two contenders, hoping that the one with the greatest observable brain power also has the better management skills.

We have no control over the games being played behind our backs, but we can possibly attend to our national needs with a thinking person as president.
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Laurette,

15/09/2008 17:35:34
#23 Carolyn
It would seem that Star Power might be attached to McCain's running mate, since the crowds drop enormously if he doesn't have her along to prop him up.

John McCain returned to the campaign trail on Monday, only this time without his popular vice presidential pick, Sarah Palin. The results were somewhat less than enthusiastic. As reported by MSNBC's First Read, the Republican presidential nominee addressed a crowd of roughly 3,000 people in a stadium that seats 16,000.
The pictures, however, tell many more words. The Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena where McCain spoke had large swaths of sections entirely empty, an American flag draped over the seats.
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Mashimaro,

China 15/09/2008 17:41:01
#22 "Ronald Reagon, the man attributed for defeating communism and without firing a bullet,"

Ahem.

Mr Ronald "Bee pollen" Regan was president for eight years of death, destruction, torture and the crushing of hope inflicted upon the people of El Salvador, Guatemal, Nicaraguar and Grenada by his policies, and for his bombings of Lebanon, Libya and Iran. You might have forgotten all of this, but the rest of the world has not.
Other things we have not forgotten was him blundering around in Cambodia.
Remember the contras? eh? Washington's proxy army in Nicuragua, burning schools and medical clinics, raping, torturing, mining harbours, bombing and strafing.
Wasn't RR a great admirer of South Korea's own Mr Tienanman Chun Doo Hwan? RR welcomed this brutal thug into the whitehouse with the words "You've done much to strengthen the tradition of 5,000 years' commitment to freedom." Chun was sentenced to death in South Korea for his part in the Kwangju massacre.
Do you remember the little rumble in the jungle in Chad? Where good old uncle Ron armed, trained, supported Hissen Habre, helping him to overthrow the government in 1982. With US suport Habre went on to rule for eight years, during which time his secret police killed tens of thousands, tortured as many as 200,000 and disappeared a number undetermined.
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 17:48:12
Stewart / #20 "BREAD & CIRCUS" comments deserve further explanation.

For all of us who wonder WHY we seem to have no input into the system. . .check this out and see if anything matches up:

http://www.thomasjamesmartin.com/breadcircus.htm




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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 18:11:28
Masimaro

Hey, go easy on the Raygunites and their revisionist history, they know not what he did. Then again, I did fully agree with him when he said;

"Every country and every people has a stake in the Afghan resistance, for the freedom fighters of Afghanistan are defending principles of independence and freedom that form the basis of global security and stability."

---If only Clinton, Bush, Bliar and Brown would say the same thing now!

"Reagan beat communism"!!!! Delusional.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 18:37:52
Hi Wally

Aye, if the US people were asked, directly, if they wanted more spent on social aspects of life, they would say yes.

If it was a fully functioning democracy, their wish would be done. However, it's not a fully functioning democracy. It's almost totalitarian in respect to the narrowness of real political choice and debate.

They are already living on borrowed time. Sure you can trivialise the media and ensure that people don't congregate beyond pubs and football matches, yes you can stiffle the actual news and contort the real news, you can keep the people worried etc...but only for so long. The people will wake up, sooner or later. But what then? Yet another false dawn? Some period of real economic growth created by nationalised public spending leading onto re-privatisations and debt and the cycle continues...or some other system? I fear that the same mistakes will be created time and time again while 'we' allow governments to make decisions for 'us' and fail to take responsibility for our own lives.
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Kitti Kat,

15/09/2008 19:08:59
I can imagine how sick and tired you are of hearing, reading and seeing ouir candidates. Just imagine how we feel! If I see that Bee Hive (hair) religious nut case one more time today, will scream! To think that she may be a heartbeat from running the US!! McCain is old and not all that well so I have decided that had he appointed someone known to us I would have considered giving him my vote. NOT NOW! I've no problem with a woman, just that this one worries me. Her so called "family" values sure gives the republicans who are forever touting families, etc. a resson for a second look. It is okay for Palin and McCain to blast the dems but heaven forbid one says something uncomplimentary about them. We need a third party to be sure. Too bad it will not happen in my lifetime!!!
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08Chris58,

USA 15/09/2008 19:10:00
It's quite interesting reading the perception of McCain/Palin from outside the U.S...especially from those of you who consider yourself on top of the issues, etc. Unfortunately, the issues you claim to be on top of are being fed to you by a mainstream media that are DUPING you. They are so in love with Obama, a person who has NEVER accomplished anything except being elected to the Illinois State Senate and refused to take a position on over 160 votes. Furthermore, a candidate who after being elected to the U.S. Senate decided to run for President of the U.S. less than 150 days in office! It is laughable (while also scary) to witness and listen to his blinded, badly misguided followers as if he is some kind of God. Meanwhile, Obama's 20+ year relationship with Rev Wright (a racists by all accounts), his supportive relationship with acknowledged terrorist William Ayers, his lack of ANY accomplishments while he seeks the highest office in the U.S. gets "passed over". Meanwhile, they ridicule McCain for being too old when in fact, Ronald Reagan was 74 years old when he was sworn in for his second term. McCain certainly is NOT perfect, who of us is? However, no one has demonstrated his love and honor for country more than McCain. He has demonstrated, amongst the worse possible of circumstances, is loyalty and love of the U.S. Could you even imagine Obama and how he would react under those circumstances? He would have opted out of the POW camp faster than you can say "spineless"!

Palin gets coined a "nut" by the mainstream media...naturally...what would you expect? Anyone that demonstrates ANY Christian faith is illustrated as a right wing religious freak. Come on folks, wake up and smell the tea! Democracy worldwide is being challenged like never before in history...and the person you would prefer to see in office is a TOTAL unknown who isn't capable of making tough decisions in the State Senate (voting "present" vs. Yah or Nah) 160+ times, and professes
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Fran,

USA 15/09/2008 19:30:19
Please ignore Wally .He gets these weird ideas when he smokes too much weed, sees little green men too .By the way the USA is a Republic , not a democracy.
Now please excuse me . I must hurry and write a check to send to McCain and Palin's party .
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Media 1,

cape town 15/09/2008 19:37:04
The American election system is a primitive nonsense! No wonder they cant get it right. Hicksville USA vs Any nation with oil is what we get time after time after time....
Surely now they will vote Obama and do us all a favour
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 15/09/2008 20:19:54
Media1 Never!! I'll race Fran to the the mailbox!!
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 20:35:51
08Chris

I agree that 'we' outwith the USA only get selected 'news' about the race but there are some points that are certain, no?

She's a religious fanatic who believes that she talks to God, that the earth is only 5000 years old and that Armageddon is great idea?

"Democracy worldwide is being challenged like never before in history"

Not so. "Democracy" is being challenged all the time across the world BY THE USA; from south America to the Middle East.Even in the USA: How many people do you know who could run an effective US election campaign on your salary? None. The media selects your list of candidates (supported by industry/wealth)and if you get it 'wrong, even from such a narrow field, they will simply rig the election (Florida/Ohio). It's much the same in 'uk'. No, Democracy, has been challenged much more before now.
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 20:48:15
08 Chris 58:

My thoughts on the choices:

By many accounts, McCain has fabricated much of his Vietnam experience; I'll leave that to your own research. I'm sure we will be hearing more of this in the weeks to come. There is much information about the special treatment that he received as a prisoner; look it up. The poor man reminds me of Reagan, after it was known that he had Alzheimer's. Very uncentered, prone to platitudes and slogans, all just more blab that won't really help anyone but the rich. The fact that he was a POW / war hero has nothing to do with his qualifications to be president. In fact, I truly believe that the trauma of some of his experiences have clouded his thinking, distorted his reasoning, and that should be a concern to all of us. There is much to discover about this man. . .

Palin . . . oy ! Accomplished within her own sphere, doesn't know what she doesn't know. . . .and doesn't know it ! Not VP material and (God Forbid !) a stand-in for an ailing McCain. Can you imagine ? Check out her church on YouTube. Good Golly ! She's the new media sweetheart, but I expect that to fade in the next few weeks, as people tire of her limited knowledge and speaking style.

Biden. . . . .a scrappy, foot-in-mouth guy that can help Obama through the difficulties to come. He's been around the block, taken a few hits, and stolen a few words from a speech. The hair seemed to have worked out well !

Obama. . . . an untested, inexperienced, yet a very intelligent man, hopefully a good manager. His
sincerity and innate wisdom come through loud and clear to half our population ! The rest simply do not hear the same music and never will. He appears to be our best hope for the horrors that await the next president, created by the inept, self-serving Bush & Co. mob. In a way, I would hope that McCain and Palin are elected. . .as the final blow to the Republicans !

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Conan the Librarian™,

15/09/2008 20:50:02
46
Er... we ridiculed Reagan as well.

It's a Scottish thing I suppose.

Winston was a fat drunk,

Who had tanks breaking strikes in Glasgow, while Scots troops were confined to barracks.

But he fought the Nazis. And won.

With the help of the folks he sent tanks against.

Strange how things turn out.
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Carolyn 1,

Suffolk 15/09/2008 21:10:26
That's President Palin,
Be the first kid on your block to say it!
guys, you're gonna wish you had stock in lipstick instead of Lehman Bros.
New York State polling shows Obama, The Great One has lost an unthinkable 18 points. That's a lotta points. What will be next? Florida. Ohio. Massachusetts? Wisconsin?
It turns out the Great One doesn't have enough money to campaign in New York.
Oy.
President Palin. Ah. Ethics, small government and reform back in the White House!
It brings a tear to my Libertarian eye.

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Carolyn 1,

Suffolk 15/09/2008 21:17:19
As for all this ridiculous anti-american crappola-
I came across an interesting piece of journalism that explains the nonsense.
You're spoon fed this rot...
It turns out, as statistics have a way of proving the facts, all this hate America is spoon fed porridge; is it a feeeble attempt to control a shifting population away from Europe? I duuno. You decide.

Anti-Americanism in Europe Fueled by Ignorance
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/anti-americanism-in-europe-is-fueled-by-ignorance/
Monday, September 15th, 2008 - by Soeren Kern
Those who know the least about America seem to hate it the most."

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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 21:23:39
Hi Carolyn

Is that Suffolk UK?

"It brings a tear to my Libertarian eye. "

And that's "humour", aye? Or do you really regard yourself and Palin as "libertarian"? It's difficult sometimes to comprehend the US nouns. You know: mad religious fundamentalist/anti abortionist/NRA member = "Libertarian", "War = Peace", "Freedom = Oppression" etc. It gets confusing for us Europe.

So, Suffolk, eh?
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 21:35:40
Pyjama Media, Carolyn?

"Seventy percent of Britons think the United States has done a worse job than the European Union in reducing carbon emissions since 2000; in fact, America’s rate of growth of carbon emissions has decreased by almost ten percent since 2000, while that of the EU has increased by 2.3 percent."

So, no mention of the fact that the EU increased in size during that time; taking old soviet industrial areas.

Read the actual report and you will find that there are 20 questions and 12 of them were answered correctly. Not including the rather dodgy one about emissions.

Still. I'm sure that 5000 random US citizens would do better.

Poeple are not complaining about USA here. Some people are simply concerned that a raging religious nut case is a heartbeat away from the button.
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Kelvino,

Less-Expensive Upstate NY 15/09/2008 21:37:27
Carolyn / Suffolk Co, NY ? (My old county!)

Stay with this page a few days and you will have a
very good idea of how hate-filled, ill-informed and self-deluded we Americans are. . . .by our own commentary ! It's frightening and is what has lead other countries to civil war !

I can't help feeling that the one missing element in all of these postings is the racial issue; I recall only a handful of references to race over the past week.

Is it NOT an issue. . .or is it THE issue ?
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 21:47:51
For all of you UK folks. . . .

We've not even STARTED on the PALIN-DALEK connection as yet !
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Carolyn 1,

Suffolk 15/09/2008 21:50:38
@58 Kelvino
Yea right. I had to google Suffolk, New York. Didn't know there was one. Me on Long Island! Hahaha. I'd last a New York minute. Maybe less.

As for hate, you're a bushel overloaded. Pretty sad really because there is no reason to hate a country that has given you so much.

Pailn will transform the country from it's grass roots and up. Romney says he will not take a job in the cabinet but I hope he will change his mind and join as economic adviser.

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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 15/09/2008 21:52:04
Is Suffolk not one of the many shires that are governed by the 'Scotch Mafia'? Who make sure that the people of England (=Britain) are made to cough up to subsidise the people of Scotland. It brings a tear to MY libertarian eye.

(Also fuelled by ignorance)
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 15/09/2008 22:01:02
Carolyn 1

Palin will transform nothing.

She is merely an image created by the Republicans designed to dupe middle America into ensuring the party gets at least another term in office. A great move when you think about it, but Palin will be put back in her Pitbull kennel once the election is won. This would not just be the case for Palin, any VP would be the same.
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alavasse,

Hawaii 15/09/2008 22:03:33
It would behoove you in other parts of the world to pay attention to your own elections. We don't know who you should vote for in your area, and you don't know who we should vote for in ours. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 22:06:37
Carolyn:

Whatever your beliefs about our country, you MUST see this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5IAPK0hbU
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 15/09/2008 22:13:59
63 alavasse

That's all very well and proper. But I have two observations:

1. The leader of the most powerful country in the world exerts much power over the rest of the world, so it would "behoove" us to pay attention to this election

2. This is a Scottish newspaper thread of which I am an avid reader and contributor. Don't tell me to butt out mate.
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 15/09/2008 22:31:00
Kelvino

Priceless!

Andrew BOD

I think that if the US has military operations in your country, then you should get a vote on US elections.

Apparently it's possible to vote for a dead person over there, so I suggest that Zappa is dug up and his name put on the ballots. A dead Zappa would get my vote more often than the others on offer.

Unless we can vote for fictional characters (I know, they are all fictional, but....) then it would be Homer Simpson. Mickey Mouse swathed in Nazi paraphernalia? Maybe then the good people of the US would realise that the game's a bogey.Hopefully before such extreme absurdity evolves.
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Kelvino,

NY 15/09/2008 22:35:04
WORLD. . . .This is one of many reasons whay we are concerned about Sarah Palin. Just WHAT are we to think ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQjQps0giJA

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Laurette,

So Cal 15/09/2008 22:41:14
#29 Carolyn:
Kelvino.. while BO can bring the country further down with his convoluted economics theory .

I imagine you would rather adopt Phil Gramms?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 15/09/2008 22:46:42
Finnking

Don't you think the founding fathers' would be turning in their graves after getting a whiff of all this showbiz electioneering in the name of so-called democracy?

One thing I am happy about is the rejection of Hilary Clinton. Not that I don't think she's capable, she would clean the floor with Palin. For a while there, however, I thought you might have needed to be part of the Bush or Clinton Royal families to get elected.
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Carolyn 1,

Suffolk 15/09/2008 23:01:40
@69 Andrew
I have two names for you: Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr. One died. Death by bullet. something about a slanderous remarks and honour.

Some things never change, especially politics, no matter how much the citizens want change.
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Carolyn 1,

Suffolk 15/09/2008 23:12:54
#68
As for Gramms, I prefer Romney, but then you seem to think I'm Lynne.

As for adoption, my daughter is adopted. Please explain your objections to adoption because I have never understood the agenda against it.
Are you suggesting her mother should have murdered her and had an abortion? My daughter certainly would object that her life is worthless.
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Carolyn 1,

Suffolk 15/09/2008 23:19:12
@61
I object.
The Mafia are so Libertarians. They don't believe in taxes or government or laws..

As for the politicians 'planning' Palin's image, they aren't that smart. Neither are the movie star celebrity types.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 15/09/2008 23:28:44
70 Finnking

On the subject of flags, I've not really noticed to be honest. But now that you mention it, I know what you mean.

I guess this is a little disturbing, but what's more disturbing is the fact that so many US citizens have not visited another country. I've visited the US on a number of occasions, and on the whole, have had some really positive experiences. However, I was taken aback by how little people knew about what was going on outside the US, and I think this insularity is very dangerous.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 15/09/2008 23:35:16
73 Carolyn 1

Gordon Brown certainly believes in taxes. Big time.

As for Palin, she is certainly an image the Republicans wanted to create, if only to steal votes from the Democrats in the absence of Hilary. Cynical on both counts, and certainly without honour. At least Hamilton and Burr had that, however brutal the consequences.
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Itchy,

16/09/2008 00:16:38
#21 Yes, we should just expropriate all the property and leave millions to starve.

You approved of that in the Ukraine so you should approve of that anywhere.

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Itchy,

16/09/2008 00:18:33
#35 the Federal reserve should indeed be scrapped.

BTW a central bank, just like the US Fed, is a key plank of the Communist manifesto.
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Itchy,

16/09/2008 00:19:44
"37 Wally,By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 15/09/2008 17:11:15
Today in the news we read about financial turmoil. The US privatized the ability to create US dollars in 1913"

Wrong! You liar!

The US NATIONALIZED the money supply in 1913. The country was on the gold standard before that.
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Dunnie,

Canada 16/09/2008 00:38:19

53 - Conan! Great to hear from you. What has happened to the old gang? Meths? Ayrshire Laddie? The Colonel? Karin? And not to mention our dear Yankee girl?

As to your comments, I believe you have a point.

Winston may have been a fat drunk but he was a courageous and forward-thinking one.

This American election will prove to be one of the most interesting but definitely one that lends no credit to democracy and the process that supports it.
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Dunnie,

Canada 16/09/2008 00:41:05

Plus ca change, mais toujours, la meme chose.



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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 16/09/2008 00:53:38
Those rushing to contribute to either Obama or McPain would be well advised to hang to their money considering the dire economic circumstances the Bush administration has inflicted on the US.

McPain has admitted he knows zilch about economics which is exactly how much the bunch who've been running the show for the last eight years know.
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Dunnie,

Canada 16/09/2008 00:54:38
53 - Conan! Great to hear from you. What has happened to the old gang? Meths? Ayrshire Laddie? The Colonel? Karin? And not to mention our dear Yankee girl?

As to your comments, I believe you have a point.

Winston may have been a fat drunk but he was a courageous and forward-thinking one.

This American election will prove to be one of the most interesting but definitely one that lends no credit to democracy and the process that supports it.
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Dunnie,

Canada 16/09/2008 01:00:09

First of all, apologies for posting #82. Not my fault. The Hootsman's system would only me to enter a comment once I re-entered a previous posting. This is from a system that for months has denied me to post under my previous moniker of "Dunnie".

81 - Let us be clear about the current economic situation in the US. The sub-prime crisis was not created by George Dubbya.

It was create by greedy, opportunistic banks and giant credit/mortgage loan companies.

Bush's contribution to this mess has been his imbecilic war on Iraq that has cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars.
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 16/09/2008 01:17:28
#83

"Let us be clear about the current economic situation in the US. The sub-prime crisis was not created by George Dubbya".

"Bush's contribution to this mess has been his imbecilic war on Iraq that has cost the American taxpayer trillions of dollars".

Well you can't get much clearer than that.
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Dunnie,

Canada 16/09/2008 01:37:04
84 - Interesting how we colonials can quickly get to the heart of the matter.
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mike - across the pond,

wally wally wally 16/09/2008 05:09:40
your representing Paul as being just behind McCain in december is just a wee little bit of a misrepresentation of the whole picture....

yes... paul was just behind McCain... who was left for dead at that point... behind Thompson, Guiliani, Huckabee, and romney...

your point is that paul never quit running... my point is AND HE STILL FINISHED FOURTH behind two guys who quit before the quarter pole...
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 16/09/2008 05:54:55
Mike..Paul had a "convention for 1500 people. His big thrill for the night was the handful of confetti that rained down on him.
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Let's have the truth,

Sitting pretty in Queensland 16/09/2008 06:06:18
I have a feeling that neither McCain or Obama wants the presidency now. After the fiasco of the Bush "administration" that has brought the world to the brink and lauded over the most amateurish economic shenanigans, who would want it?

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Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 16/09/2008 06:40:02
#41. looked at the link. Seemed to describe the situation very well of the American Election for President and the media coverage therefrom.

Bread and cicuses. People distracted by expenditure of vast resources on entertainment. While the empire crmbled.
The meltdown of the USA economy is just another sign of the times. When you see the olive tree sending out shoots....
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American,

16/09/2008 18:51:30
#52-kelvino-lol!! If you're a true obama supporter, you really shouldnt bring up what churches the candidates belong to (obamas mentor--"God damn America", white mans fault, white govts fault)...get the picture. Although, maybe he doesnt belong to that church anymore because he just recently said he's a devout muslim (oops, slip of the tongue for him there).
Also, his other mentors that he was on a "friendly" committee with--the ayers, received rings from north vietnam. The rings were made from US downed fighter jets. Friendly with scum who think 9/11 didnt hurt us enough. And for obamas wisdom--I've heard him without his speechwriter, speaking "off the cuff" and he stammered so bad that it was hysterical!! Worse than bush! And no, I'm not a fan of mccain either. I've heard palin speak and she seems like the best candidate (so far). I surely will not vote democrat right now. I refuse to vote for a party that bad mouths our brave soldiers (murtha, durbin, reid, kerry). Besides, they've been blocking oil drilling here for some years (so did foolish mccain-until now).
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mike - across the pond,

and so it begins 16/09/2008 19:29:18
http://www.newser.com/story/37575/obama-wont-share-funds-with-senate-dems.html

about a week ago I said that with a McCain lead you will begin to see the cracks in the dem facade...

the lead came,

and now, BO wont share the proceeds from his vaunted money machine with his DNC running mates...

can you say what you like.... looks like trouble in BO-ville to me...

and you havent heard BOO about BO's overpolling tendencies...
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17/09/2008 23:42:40
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mike - across the pond,

ah kathy athey.... 18/09/2008 20:48:11
you know there used to be a joke in america in the 1980's...

Q: 'do you know what all those japanese you see running around with cameras around their necks are doing?'

A: Taking inventory...

it was "troubling" then... time passes... its not like they went around shovelling the real-estate up and shipping it to japan...

its called capitalism....

as far as communism... we defeated "the threat" in the 1980's... the USSR...

and if you are intellectually honest, we are WELL on our way to defeating chinese communism...

you see the concepts of Capitalism, Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are VIRAL...

China has caught the bug... there will be NO going back... the DNA of their culture has changed forever...

you doubt they caught the bug? LOOK at the corruption in their factories these are merely symptoms of the fever of capitalism, Their government cant controll it they way they controlled it 20 years ago... it IS what it IS... they have bought BILLIONS in US securities... for what purpose? to make "the workers paradise" more "paridisical" LOL

the genie is out of the bottle my friend...
ask postmark... ask mashi... their lives are VERY different than their parents... and their childrens lives will be VERY different from theirs... on a MUCH more fundamental level than yours and mine are from our parents, and children...

 

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