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'So what's porno, Mummy?' - Parents' fury as advertisement on buses for 18-certificate film is ruled acceptable

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Published Date: 02 December 2008
AN ADVERT featuring a word banned from being broadcast before the television watershed has been criticised after it appeared on city buses.

Parents in Edinburgh hit out at adverts for the film Zack and Miri Make a Porno for exposing young children to the word "porno". And they were further enraged when their complaint to the local authority was blocked by a firewall – because of the word "porno".

The Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) – which has received 149 complaints over the issue – ruled the posters are acceptable as neither they, nor the film, promote pornography.

Andrea Becquemont, an Edinburgh parent, said she was shocked to see the word emblazoned across Lothian buses.

She said: "We were in the car and I was lost for words when my eight-year-old asked me what a porno was. "I just said it's a silly word they use for adult movies. I couldn't think of anything else to say."

Ms Becquemont described the ASA's decision as outrageous. "It is an offensive word because it relates to pornography and the sex trade. I'm disgusted they would find it acceptable for children to see that word on a bus which could travel past schools and nurseries."

She e-mailed a complaint regarding the adverts to City of Edinburgh Council, as the major shareholder of Lothian Buses, but it bounced back.

She said: "If it is acceptable, why won't the council accept an e-mail which contains the word porno, and why is it bleeped out on the radio during the day? Children shouldn't be asking their mum or dad what does porno mean? It's too much."

Iain Coupar, the Lothian Buses marketing director, said: "We received one e-mail complaint, which we shared with our advertising agency CBS Outdoor, who are responsible for commercial advertising on our buses."

He said the company believed the advert conformed to the British Code of Advertising, and stressed that it had been approved by the ASA and the Committee of Advertising Practice (Cap).

He added: "We regret that the advert may have caused some concern. However, we can confirm that all the adverts have now been removed from our buses."

A spokesman for CBS Outdoor said it had consulted Cap on the advert before sanctioning its use across the UK. He said: "Cap judged the advert would conform to ASA guidance, which has proved to be the case."

A spokeswoman for ASA said 149 complaints had been received about the posters for the 18-certificate film.

She said: "It was considered that whilst the word porno and its connotations might be distasteful to some people, the actual film and advert itself contained nothing explicit and that it was not promoting pornography."

A spokesman for Edinburgh council suggested use of an asterisk in e-mails when complaining about an offensive word would get them through the council's firewall. He added: "Words like casino, porno and Viagra are blocked by most office e-mail firewalls to stop spam clogging up employee inboxes."

Ofcom, the Office of Communications media regulator, has strict rules within its Broadcasting Code on swearing on radio and TV before the 9pm watershed. It states that the "most offensive language" must not be broadcast before the watershed or when children are particularly likely to be listening.

BACKGROUND

IN 2005, London Underground chiefs banned posters for a film about the controversial sex professor Alfred Kinsey.

Adverts for the Oscar-nominated movie, starring Liam Neeson, were censored for containing the words "orgasm" and "masturbation".

Promoters were forced to replace the phrases with words such as "pleasure".

Previously, British horror film Creep's posters of a bloody hand scraping the inside of a Tube carriage were withdrawn.

And in 2002, a poster for Ali G's movie Indahouse , featuring Ali's hand on a girl's bare bottom, was banned after a flood of complaints.




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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2008 10:54 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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02/12/2008 00:36:40
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 01:09:44


Conan ~1,

Eight year olds therefore, read the Scotsman News, when the Scotsman News deleted their old web-site, and introduced this crappy one!

But times change!

'Strictly come Censorship' as viewed by millions can be tedious and silly at times, but in this case I uphold the views of the Mother, Andrea Becquemont, after-all we don't have 'Page3 Girls', splashed allover our "Buses", or condom ads, 'Splashed over our Buses'

The saying IS!,....'A TIME, AND A PLACE'!!!

I to would NOT want my eight year old, to have the word,...

..."Porno" shoved down my Child's throat, everywhere the went in Edinburgh, or anywhere else!

DECISION FOR REMOVAL UPHELD!!


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Goggsie #,

Fife 02/12/2008 01:42:43
It's unacceptable that none of the bus company personnel responsible for this action hadn't the sense to see it would be offensive. Fire them all.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 02/12/2008 01:57:35
Nothing surprises me about the UK any more. Standards of decency are almost back to prehistoric levels. Anything goes in the interests of liberalism.Is the country a better place because of it? QED
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02/12/2008 02:05:24
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One-man-bucket's older twin,

02/12/2008 02:57:22
You couldn't make it up! Request for censorship censored!

I love it - especially the thought of her righteous indignation.

At least the kid can read.
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Lanna,

02/12/2008 04:22:04
#6
"At least the kid can read."

...now there's a positive note.
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Mallory,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 04:50:56
Everyone know its pron anyway.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 02/12/2008 05:36:33
She told her kid that porno was a silly word for an adult movie. She solved her problem herself.
What is she ? The next Mrs Whitehoose ?
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Lanna,

02/12/2008 07:16:14
#10
:)
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Al Pacino,

02/12/2008 07:59:00
It's not offensive or shocking in the least. Anyone who thinks otherwise is over sensitive and stupid. There's plenty worse to be offended by. Besides I don't know many 8 year olds, but in Edinburgh at least i'll bet most of them have heroin and alcohol problems, so the abbreviated term of pornography written on the side a bus is no big deal.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/12/2008 08:02:07
Okay, so I agree completely with #5 on the substance of this story.

On a side note, the council's "firewall" (dear god, how hard would it be to look up a term before using it in a national newspaper) which is in fact an email filter is a complete joke. No decent spam blockers rely on simple string matching any more - which is why Edinburgh Council is one of the few places unable to receive emails about Scunthorpe, or those mentioning sexuality.

It's a pathetic excuse for IT incompetence, and the council have been told about it time and again for years. Time they got their act together.
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Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 02/12/2008 08:46:35
OMG

This is rediculous! Last time I was in Edinburgh I saw the same buses with SHROOMS written accross them!

Don't remember an outcry then (and the movie was mediocre at best too). We have such a strange relationship with sex in Victorian Scotland just now.

After all, we allow a fair degree of implied or gratious violence in films with a rating of 12 or 12A or so but the merest hint of a boobie or implied sexual relations and it's decried as pron and slapped with an 18.

One is a natural process between loving adults, the other is not.

This country is scr*wed if people like that silly mother are allowed too much of a voice.
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FSU,

02/12/2008 09:06:36
#12 "[A]nyone who thinks otherwise is oversensitive and stupid." It always cracks me up to read oversensitive and stupid comments, about people being oversensitive and stupid...:)Where's a mirror when you need one?
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Boyne Bhoy,

DUBLIN 02/12/2008 09:16:32
#8 Does that make the movie a pron cocktail?
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Mcsnagpile,

02/12/2008 09:18:17
What is Porno Mummy??
It is when two or more silly people wriggle about in public with no clothe on.
Would you do that mummy ??
Only with the cam off.
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02/12/2008 09:30:43
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Love The Pulp,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 09:56:46
I found the advertisement offensive myself. I have no children, and am probably right in the middle of their target market, as a 29 year old male.

I just don't need my advertising-polluted world to have "porno" crammed into it. And I don't want to have to go to see a movie called blah-blah porno to need to find out it's not about pornos.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 10:04:51
I don't know who is the more stupid here...

Those who made a film about such rubbish, those who designed the advert, those who ruled that the advert is ok or those who complained about it because they are too embarrassed to explain the meaning of a word to their children.

Why, in this day and age, are people so categorically stupid?
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 02/12/2008 10:15:41
Hey, these jokers in the City Council were advertising BEER outside Meadowbank Stadium - on council-owned hoardings - and that was going on in 1998. The 'sexualisation' and 'alcoholisation' of PUBLIC SPACE has been going on for decades and the Council can only see the MONEY. They don't give a **** for public health, ethics, morality. They will be laughing at this lady and her child.
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OddJob,

Edinboring 02/12/2008 10:16:03
Parents are so gullible when it comes to their kids.

Note to Mrs B: in the near future when your kid asks you "mummy, what does f*** mean?", they already know that too so make sure you answer it properly.

Ever wondered why they never ask what "Britannia" means?
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Hermitage,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 10:27:01
Can't be any worse than the van advertising the Liquorice Club at Tollcross which has(shock, horror) womens bare bottoms painted all over it.
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02/12/2008 10:27:21
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02/12/2008 11:38:57
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/12/2008 11:40:58
In this modern world, in which even the most intimate matters are commodified and turned into oppportunities for commerce and profit, it is unrealistic to hide the existence of pornography from children, and it is not good to lie about such things.

A responsible parent should explain what this means in simple and straightforward terms.

I suggest that parents faced with the need to explain this film do so in the following terms -

"Some grown ups - usually men - who aren't able for one reason or another to lead a normal life and have a regular girlfriend of a wife, buy films that show what a normal life might be like. It's like a man with his nose pressed up against a window looking in and spying on other men having what he's missing. It can be very sad - remember the story of the little match girl who looked in at a family having dinner and she could only dream? The people who make these kinds of films can make a lot of money, and the film advertised on the bus makes fun of this. So it's a sad film, and it's probably quite cruel too."
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Heather B,

Anstruther 02/12/2008 11:44:00
Lucky parents to have nothing else to get furious about. I bet they weren't furious about Lothian drivers being assaulted as reported yesterday.

Ah, modern Britain.
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Cassandra,

02/12/2008 11:51:51
#18 Rab the ranter - I used to know a guy called Willie Dick (absolutely true). I loved introducing him to people and retreating to enjoy their confusion. Do you suppose he's excluded from the wonders of electronic communication?
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 11:59:54
30 did he live in Partick and have a wife called Fann(y) (this is absolutely true).
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Dunc,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 12:13:57
Is this the kind of thing we can expect to see on the side of the new trams? I say scrap them.
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02/12/2008 12:24:57
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Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 12:36:40
What's the difference between having this on a bus and having it on big posters outside cinemas?

Just wondered.
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Cassandra,

02/12/2008 12:36:58
#31 Observer - I wish he had! I never asked. Do I detect a hint of scepticism?
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/12/2008 12:40:10
Rab

I couldn't comment on the Arsenal article.
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Hugh Roscombe,

02/12/2008 12:40:49
It is ridiculous we should succumb to this.
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Luke Skywalker,

02/12/2008 12:55:51
36 or Arsenal's manager. I forget his name - only the beginning of it
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Jamscot,

Jamaica 02/12/2008 12:59:25
#23 Apparently For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge! Just i case anyone's interested
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02/12/2008 13:35:07
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Sumlogic,

02/12/2008 13:35:24
Another case of 'word phobia'!

What’s the problem, a word has no meaning until we give it such meaning and those meanings change. The very outcry that these naive (probably religious delusional) has helped make the word even more noticed than before.

Yeh, their idea seems to be, hide the word and the activity or activities that it can be said to describe, depending on what reference you use at what time and place you look them up, may vanish too. Preposterous, childish nonsense!

And on that subject; if consenting adults desire to make and engage in an adult movie, why not, what’s wrong with that, and who has the right to say “NO, its wrong!” Is it because some religious apocryphal book says so?

Well thankfully not every adult believes literally in fairy tails.

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02/12/2008 13:36:13
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Sumlogic,

02/12/2008 13:39:42
Maybe JUST maybe if folk were a good bit more open and honest about our natural human sexuality there would be less guilt and ill feeling involved...maybe less sex crime too.

After all without it, there would be no one to ‘moan’ (maybe that’s a poor choice of word there)!

Will we ever know?

"The map is not the territory!"
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Gdgy,

02/12/2008 13:42:02
Does the Scotsman think that the word "Porno" is any less "offensive" and difficult to explain than their articles about sex on the beach couple, Boy George handcuffs and child porn in the same paper?....
?
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Sumlogic,

02/12/2008 13:45:04
I suppose some of those that complain would try and “eat the menu” in their favourite restaurant! Or “drink the ink on a beer poster”
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/12/2008 13:46:20
I note that these feminists don't get their knickers in a twist about adverts for "The Vag1na Monologues"


* Bowdlerised because the EN is just as ridiculous.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/12/2008 13:53:38
#33. I imagine you were trying to make an offensive and sectarian remark, but it was too sophisticated and I didn't understand it. Would you care to clarify it?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/12/2008 13:54:56
14: I think you're on to something there. They should allow "Porno" on the side of the 18 and 18R but not on the 12 or 12A.
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Poetess50,

02/12/2008 13:54:57
If children can't ask their parents what a word means, then who are they SUPPOSED to ask??????
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/12/2008 13:57:22
Fifi figures; "In this modern world, in which even the most intimate matters are commodified and turned into oppportunities for commerce and profit"

Ain't capitalism wonderful?
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/12/2008 13:59:07
Fifi explains:

"Some grown ups - usually men - who aren't able for one reason or another to lead a normal life and have a regular girlfriend of a wife, buy films that show what a normal life might be like. It's like a man with his nose pressed up against a window looking in and spying on other men having what he's missing. It can be very sad - remember the story of the little match girl who looked in at a family having dinner and she could only dream?"

You're confusing it with The Little Snatch Girl.
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Russell339,

Edinburgh 02/12/2008 14:07:30
I would suggest that the word 'porno' is nothing by comparison to what the average 8 year old will hear most days in the school playground?
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half educated ned,

02/12/2008 14:10:51
Man im just bored of this complaining about everything!

I would like to see how these parents react with a couple of fat teenage neds sharing all the details of their weekend at a bus stop, im sure that film and word would be nothing compaird to the traumatising story coming from the mouths of the ned's.

The should really think about that!
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Bele's bane,

Scotland 02/12/2008 14:23:22
Any child who can read the word Porno must have an idea of its meaning!
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Libertarian!,

02/12/2008 14:30:46
What's not acceptable in a 2008 morally corrupt and bankrupt divided UK?
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 14:31:04
35 - no, they exist (hand on heart), one of those you couldn't make it up things.
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yolanda,

02/12/2008 14:57:19

These email filter things can be a pain in the neck. A friend of mine worked in the field of sexual health, but couldn't get her work done because all her work related emails were blocked. I also read a while back of a man who tried to raise an objection to a neighbour's house extension, but the extension was built anyway, because the planning department hadn't received his objection due to the fact he was objecting to an "erection". Ridiculous!
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

02/12/2008 15:49:03
#56 Libertarian wonders: "What's not acceptable in a 2008 morally corrupt and bankrupt divided UK?"

It's a hard one right enough, but I'm going to go with "Inviting Gary Glitter to appear in the school Panto."
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02/12/2008 16:13:28
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 02/12/2008 17:47:03
60,61- you better hope Andrea Becquemont doesn't read these comments. She'd be outraged.

How about Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand with a christmas cover of ''Grandpa we love you (and your grandaughter too)''.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 02/12/2008 17:47:34
Patrice Chaplin wrote a book called "City of Secrets" (aboot Girona) and there's a real-life character in the book who goes by the name of Qu*m ( to rhyme with 'him') Carreras ! (true)
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Allan(handofgod137),

02/12/2008 18:10:32
#28 So DVDA is part of your normal life, as is casual sex with every repairman who visits your house, and interupts the hot girl on girl action with your next door neighbour then?
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radge dug,

Alba gu brath 02/12/2008 21:23:57
What about the Bible? It's full of illogical filth like why does god hate foreskins so much?

What's a foreskin mummy? Why does god not like something 'he' created? Why is childbirth 'unclean'?
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The real dracula,

03/12/2008 18:25:39
I think its about time this parent and some others realise this world does not revolve round their little darlings.

I find the idea that people can be offended by a simple word ridiculous.
''What is porno ,mummy?'' a simple answer would be ''its a film ''

Get a grip parents

 

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