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Published Date: 17 July 2009
By David Maddox
SNP members have been left with no choice but to select a candidate they rejected just last week to stand in a by-election.
In a remarkable turn-around, former BBC journalist David Kerr is set to be made the SNP's fourth-choice candidate for the Glasgow North East seat vacated by former Commons Speaker Michael Martin.

Mr Kerr, 35, is the only name on the shortlist for local party members to vote on today, in what has already been branded a "stitch-up".

And the former Newsnight assistant editor's coronation as candidate has been taken as further evidence of First Minister Alex Salmond's absolute power over the party.

Mr Kerr was Mr Salmond's preferred candidate, but last week local party members selected a Glasgow councillor, James Dornan, instead.

However, Mr Dornan, who was the favoured candidate of deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon, the MSP for Glasgow Govan, had to rapidly step down after it emerged he broke charity rules by being a trustee while he was declared bankrupt.

At the time, there were accusations within the Glasgow party that Mr Dornan was bundled out so that Mr Salmond's favoured candidate could get the nod.

But it seemed at one point this week that Mr Kerr was about to step aside because of the embarrassment caused by the furore surrounding the nomination.

The farcical selection procedure mirrored Labour's nightmare this time last year when Glasgow MSP Margaret Curran emerged as their fifth-choice candidate for the Glasgow East by-election. This was seen as a key factor in her defeat to Nationalist John Mason.

Already in Glasgow North East, another city councillor, Grant Thoms, stepped down when it emerged he was the author of a controversial blog.

The original Glasgow North East candidate, Anne McLaughlin, stepped down when she replaced the late Bashir Ahmad as a Glasgow list MSP.

Last night Labour, which has picked Willie Bains as its candidate, called the selection a "stitch-up" and pointed out that Mr Kerr had no local credentials.

"This is an insult to democracy, imposed by the SNP HQ in Edinburgh," a spokesman said. "They couldn't find a local candidate and now the only one interested is one already rejected by their members."

But campaign director Stewart Hosie said: "With David Kerr's nomination we have an excellent nominee who I know will work hard to represent people in the constituency.

"With strong connections to the constituency and a strong voice for constituents, David will be an excellent leader for the campaign."

He added: "Labour's decision to leave the people of Glasgow North East without an MP for up to five months is a serious betrayal."


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  • Last Updated: 17 July 2009 12:20 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish National Party
 
1

Colkitto,

River Clyde 17/07/2009 00:02:41
Kerr will make an excellent candidate.

I can see the SNP winning this one !!!
2

Blarney,

Arbroath 17/07/2009 00:03:40
Oh Maddox, you are brilliant, you are in line for a job with the Daily Mash.
3

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17/07/2009 00:06:07
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Alan B,

17/07/2009 00:15:07
The scotsman gets worse and worse.

You would think by the headline that local snp members were calling this a stitch up but not it is the labour opposition.

The reporting of this over and over again is just so contrived.

It is interesting the Maddox is now finally admitting he was wrong saying the snp leadership backed this guy when it was being clearly reported elsewhere Sturgeon was a supporter of Dorman.

Given the sloppy reporting an apology to the readers should have been the order of the day.
5

Castaway™ ,

17/07/2009 00:16:38
Gordpn Brown, House of Commons.
I am sure that the hon. Gentleman would be complaining if we had waited to have the by-election. It is right that the constituents of this area of Glasgow have a new MP as soon as possible. July 2008
Glasgow Easy by-election held on 24 July 2008
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17/07/2009 00:21:16
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DialMforMurdoX,

17/07/2009 00:21:59
#4 Cedric vas te faire foutre.
8

scotnotbrit,

langlees 17/07/2009 00:30:28
who can take this guff seriously ? just do the un-contrived article
"labour hates and fears the S N P,
read all about it !"
this writer should get a job with the party
he so obviously loves , wait till after the crushing defeat that is coming at them like a runaway train , they will be sorely needing the talents of a man like maddox , he could be their best hope of an early recovery , with his persausive journalistic skills
9

Fifi la Bonbon,

17/07/2009 00:31:47
Congratulations to Mr Kerr. The people who are describing this are a stitch-up should be ashamed of themselves. There is no suggestion in the story that local party activists are unhappy at the way this matter has been concluded. No local party activist is quoted as expressing the slightest dissent. As I understand it, the local party was presented with a shortlist and the person who came top of the shortlist - a recently unemployed person - was selected. How could anyone say that was unfair? As it is, nobody from within the local party has expressed such doubts. The un-named spokesman for the Nationalist Party has described the successful man as having "strong connections to the constituency." And who could argue with an un-named spokesman?
10

Tris,

17/07/2009 00:33:39
#8 LOL. Well said.

It will be a hard fight; this seat is Labour through and through... it's not just going to roll over to the SNP.

Labour will employ all the dirty tricks they know, and that's plenty.

I can't imagine that there will be a huge Hootsman readership in the ward but its west coast equivalent, the Daily Record, will be doing all it can for the sleaze party, as no doubt, will David's ex-employers the LBC.

Good Luck David.
11

Alan B,

17/07/2009 00:37:15
Going by the standards of journalism that passes within the scotsman these days is this their 4th choice journalist.
12

BROONISDOOMED,

Labour In More Stitch Ups Than A Glesga Ned 17/07/2009 00:42:01
i really have to laugh ,well mr poison maddox,what about last years stitch up,in the forth by election?
shall i quote what was said shall i?,edinburgh sucks nov19th 2008

Day’s selection was surrounded in controversy and even long-time labour activists complained to the highest levels:

Following phone calls from Forth branch members, I also submitted a letter to Labour Party HQ in Glasgow to express my own concerns over the recent selection process. There are questions to be answered about how this was conducted, and unless these answers are forthcoming our candidate does not have a legitimate mandate. However inconvenient it may be I think the selection meeting should be re-run – with the Labour Party’s honesty and integrity under scrutiny like never before I believe it’s essential that we are seen to do things right and get the campaign off to an untainted start. The letter went off on Thursday and I’ll be interested to hear the Party’s views.

If Dave Pickering is reading, SO WILL WE.

Now this would normally be a resignation issue, without doubt. However, it is the Labour Party we are speaking about here. The don’t know the meaning of an honourable resignation.
13

Punta Prima,

BALERNO 17/07/2009 00:42:17
Just how does Maddox get 4th choice candidate? Ann became an MSP therefore was no longer a choice. Grant Thoms decided not to stand as his ambitions were towards local government leaving the selection process that took place. Second choice maybe but only because James was persecuted by the press and Labour for the crime of being skint.
I've been here before under attack from a pro unionist press but they always fail as the SNP gets stronger. Good luck David, Kerr that is not Maddox.
14

Alan B,

17/07/2009 00:43:23
Given that blair beat brown for the labour leadership and smith took the leadership before that.

Is brown the 3rd choice labour leader.

No wonder he is so 3rd rate.
15

BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 00:44:10
and i bet it will be removed by the red weed,that crawls all over this paper
16

Castaway™ ,

17/07/2009 00:46:03
Glasgow East by-election.
After four senior party members refused the Prime Minister's personal pleas to stand in the Glasgow East by-election, he was left with no choice but to resort to his fifth choice candidate Margaret Curran MSP who accepted. 6 Jul 2008
17

Brianwci,

17/07/2009 00:46:56
London Labour says: "This is an insult to democracy...."

Well, they are the experts, they would know.
18

Alan B,

17/07/2009 00:48:27
#Punta Prima

I completely agree. Making out Kerr as 4th choice is just contrived and sloppy journalism.

Because a list candidate becomes an msp after someone dies hardly makes her replacement 4th choice.
19

BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 00:48:58
After a high level meeting early last week in the Chain Pier bar in Newhaven Road the new Labour candidate for the Forth Ward was chosen. The Evening Chip Paper runs a story this afternoon almost letting the cat out of the bag but without any of the details which we in the Sucks hut (we had to move out of Sucks Towers) have managed to track down.

At that meeting was the local MP, Mark Lazarowicz; MSP Malcolm Chisholm, former defeated Councillor Billy Fitzpatrick and their in-house flunky, trough piggy and NEN journalist who’s never had a real job, Dave Pickering. The only topic on the agenda was who was going to replace Maginnis. Fitzpatrick was chosen, but only after he asked for assurances that he would not be challenged for the next two elections – which neatly takes him up to his retirement in the unlikely event that he would get elected.

Just to take steps a little further to prove the stitch-up the following is Lie-bour’s timetable for “picking” their candidate:
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 00:49:14
#0 David Maddox

You are at it again;

"after it emerged he broke charity rules by being a trustee while he was declared bankrupt."

IF HE WAS DECLARED BANKRUPT - HE WOULD HAVE BECOME INELIGIBLE TO SERVE AS A COUNCILLOR, UNTIL DISCHARGED.

Clearly this was not the case, so why are you persisting with what is fairly obviously a lie?

21

BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 00:49:53
16th September 2008 – Letter to members telling them their is going to be a selection.
18th September 2008 at 12:00 nominations close.
18th September 2008 at 18:00 candidates interviewed
19th September 2008 candidates shortlisted
19th September 2008 at 19:00 selection meeting.

Now if you were one of the labour members who decided when you got the letter on the 17th (when you got home from work in the evening) that you may want to stand, then you have precious little time to speak to your family, do everything you need to like get a proposer or seconder before the nominations close 18 hours later. No sleep for that person. You would then have to get straight from work over to the candidates interview.

The very next day not only are the candidates shortlisted but you have to turn up to the church hall in Pennywell Road for the selection meeting less than 24 hours after your interview.

It’s the Lie-bour way – it’s a stitch-up.

So you don’t have to go through all the stress of that – we can let you know how it is going to go.
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BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 00:50:24
There will be three nominations only – all will be shortlisted.
1. Billy Fitzpatrick
2. Kay Finlay
3. Cammy Day

Selection meeting will give the following result:

1. Billy Fitzpatrick
2. Cammy Day
3. Kay Finlay

One thing for sure is that Billy Fitzpatrick won’t give up his job at the hospital car park where he is a security operative because even he knows he has as much chance of getting in as the Tories (if they in fact put a candidate up).
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BROONISDOOMED,

17/07/2009 00:54:40
and the suckers elected cammy day
Whilst all the news today is of the leaked BNP list, news comes into the EdSucks GangHut of a very nice link from the British National Party to our famously squeaky-clean (tee hee) Edinburgh Labour Party. Not happy with a link to the BNP there is also a tenuous link to the News of the World’s Fake Sheik. It seems that the BNP member is living in the exact same address as Labour’s brand new councillor Cammy Day. Shame he didn’t tell us that in his election material
We have already been informed by the national media that Cammy Day is denying that it is him in another disguise. What is known is that his brother is not listed as living at his address in the electoral register so maybe this is a council tax dodge – Not good for a new councillor to be taking part in one of those, is it?
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qohldr,

17/07/2009 00:55:32
Unbelievable, totally disgusting that this anti Scottish English loving Butchers apron waving Unionist rag should report that Kerr is not the SNPs 1st, 2nd or 3rd but 4th choice candidate.
When it reported that Curran was Labours 5th choice candidate that was good reporting and news that was in the public interest but Kerr being the SNPs 4th choice is not in the public interest there is no news it that and reporting it just shows that the paper is anti SNP.
25

Brianwci,

17/07/2009 00:55:42
Kerr sounds like a good choice to me. He has the 'Blair' qualities of being personable, a vital quality in a by-election.

It will be a hard but enjoyable fight and eminently winnable with David Kerr.

Interesting to see if Swine Flu plays a part in the result though. Phase two should be in full swing by then.
26

Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 00:59:41
I wonder how big the postal vote will be?
27

donald,

glasgow 17/07/2009 01:08:23
You can tell it's gonna be Haddox afore ye open the byline.
28

Alan B,

17/07/2009 01:08:27
#qohldr

Just maybe it might be more relevant to actually report what his political beliefs are. This is meant to be broadsheet and not a tabloid.
29

Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 01:10:07
Salmond will soon be left without even a single supporter.

His contempt for the other members of the party is a clear sign of a man who has let "power go to his head"
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17/07/2009 01:11:29
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S'me,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 01:12:43
Gosh the drones are out in force today!
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17/07/2009 01:17:50
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qohldr,

17/07/2009 01:18:51
#30
He is SNP we know what his political believes are.
They are the same as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd choice candidates are.
The story is that he is the 4th choice candidate.
34

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 01:19:39
"...he broke charity rules by being a trustee while he was declared bankrupt."

------------

Dornan was not "declared bankrupt". The real reason he stepped down as PROSPECTIVE candidate was that he knew the servants of the Unionist Alliance would resort to such lies and that this would distract from the issues which should be at the heart of this by-election. Issues such as the abysmal failures and stinking corruption of the British Labour Party.

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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 01:31:14
35
qohldr

"The story is that he is the 4th choice candidate."

He can't be the "4th choice candidate". He is not a candidate. Nor were any of the others. There can be no candidates until the writ has been moved for the by-election.

Kerr is the SECOND nominee for prospective parliamentary candidate for the Glasgow North East constituency.

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Ronald Penman,

GLasgow 17/07/2009 01:38:05
SNP IN MELTDOWN !

SALMOND ADMITS LOST CAUSE!

VOTERS DESERTING SNP IN THEIR DROVES!

NEW LABOUR VICTORIOUS !

GORDON BROWN CARRIED SHOULDER HIGH THROUGH GLASGOW

CONSTITUENCY !

IF ONLY, EH MADDOG, IF ONLY? Hahhahahahahhahahahhaha
37

Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 01:41:37
I see the SNP "we will follow even if it doesn't make sense" posters are trying their best to make light of what is a very serious breach of trust and showing of lack of respect.

"So predictable" Salmond up to his usual nonsense.
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Castaway™ ,

17/07/2009 01:42:28
Gordon Brown's absolute power over the party.

Glasgow East by-election.

It is understood Mr Brown initially telephoned Steven Purcell begging him to stand.

The Prime Minister is then said to have called Lesley Quinn but this overture was also rebuffed.

Frank McAveety, a MSP also declined the offer.

Fourth choice was George Ryan, a local councillor.

And finally Gordon got his fifth choice candidate, Margaret Curran, MSP. 6 July 2008
39

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 01:49:32
How is this a "stitch up"?

At the selection meeting the delegates will have the option of selecting a candidate or not selecting a candidate.

No bi-election has been called so they are not fighting against the clock.

If decent sized minority feel they are being railroaded into picking a candidate who is unacceptable to them, or just object to being railroaded, they will be able to force a re-run...unless the HQ bod puts his jackboots on and they crumble, which is not very likely.

Any concerns that Glasgow North members may have about David Kerr being some kind of HQ stooge(and we only have the Hootsmon's word for that), are totally wholly based in fantasy.

In fact he is better equipped and more inclined than than most to punt the CA's viewpoint at campaign meetings and to recognise and eschew "granny knows best" condescension and elitist bullsht when he sees it.




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qohldr,

17/07/2009 01:56:50
#38
I stand corrected he is the 2nd choice candidate to be nominated.
He is however the 4th choice candidate the party wanted to nominate.
41

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 01:58:06
40
Pretzel Logic

"...a very serious breach of trust and showing of lack of respect."

Still allowing Maddox to do your thinking for you, I see. Poor soul!

42

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 02:01:52
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qohldr

"He is however the 4th choice candidate the party wanted to nominate."

In what way is having a number of possible candidates a bad thing? The way Maddox is ranting about it you'd think it was the worst thing imaginable.

43

Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 02:03:54
#44

Maybe we are just on the "same wave-length"

Salmond, on the other hand, is out there all on his own with a single signal pointed at Pluto.

No reply?
44

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 02:08:10
46
Pretzel Logic

'Maybe we are just on the "same wave-length"'

That would certainly explain the coordinated krap.

But I would have to agree tat Salmond is out there on his own - streets ahead of those who can only aspire to be his political rivals.

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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 02:13:46
10
Fifi la Bonbon

"The un-named spokesman for the Nationalist Party..."

There is no such party.

The spokesman for the Scottish National Party was named as Stewart Hosie.

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qohldr,

17/07/2009 02:22:37
#45
He was not a possible candidate at the beginning, stop trying to insinuate that he was even looked at.
He ran when the first 2 candidates stood down and lost.
He has only been chosen because the person who beat him broke the rules when being declared bankrupt.
And before you say as you did in #36 that he was not "declared bankrupt" he declared himself bankrupt when he signed his assets over to an insolvency practitioner in October 2004.
47

Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 02:23:02
"Solo artist" Salmond will not find much demand for his recordings
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 02:30:32
49
qohldr

"He was not a possible candidate at the beginning, stop trying to insinuate that he was even looked at."

If you mean Kerr, then of course he was a possible candidate. The local party chose Dornan instead.

Dornan was not declared bankrupt.

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17/07/2009 02:33:54
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17/07/2009 02:37:32
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 02:53:04
#49 qohldr

Please explain how your bold statement re. Cllr Dornan's financial circumstances square with -

The Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973

(Disqualifications for nomination, election and holding office as a member of a local authority)

Section 31. - subsections (1), (2) and (3)?
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 03:06:44
55
The Col. of Monte Cristo

You miss the point. Maddox says Dornan was "bakrupt". Maddox is a mouthpiece for the Tory/BLP alliance. What else can the unthinking drones do but parrot the party line?.

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redcliffe62,

17/07/2009 03:52:49
we can only hope that the by election is called soon so that the people get a deemocratically elected representative.
labour cannot lose this one, they know their benefits are secure under labour.
should any party offer a bottle of buckfast with every vote they would walk it!
sad that so many sad people are labour til they die and do not realise that without change then they will remain in purgatory.
54

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 17/07/2009 04:33:09
#57 Red

Don't you mean "penury"?
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Cracker06,

Livingston 17/07/2009 05:15:07
How can being chosen at the 4th attempt be an example of Alex Salmonds' absolute power within the party? Surely the fact his preferred choice was so low in the selection process shows the opposite.

Taking 4 attempts to find a suitable candidate shows a weakness in the local party structure but to attempt to blame the FM (someone who I am no fan of) is pretty ropey journalism.
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langtonian,

uphall 17/07/2009 05:36:16
Mr.Kerr has become, through no fault of his own ,"a shoe in candidate,or if one prefers "Hobson's Choice".

With First Minister delighted to have yet another "story" of his finnancial manipulations put on a back burner in favour of the front page headlines regarding candidate selection problem's.

The story being £790. of expenses claim being investigated by Parliamentary Commisioner for Standards.

All Mr Kerr has to do is obey SNP sainted,"one man band" leader, keep in step, march to his commands.He may yet do well.After all existing SNP MSP's and voters find that suits their style of political correctness.
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Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 05:43:03
There is only one string on Salmond's violin.

Some mugs like to dance to his tune
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 17/07/2009 05:49:23
Maddox obviously cannot get a job with a decent newspaper with this level of garbage and the Snotsman cannot attract a decent level of Journalist.

Looks like the loop is closed.


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James,

Dundee 17/07/2009 05:54:09
Perhaps Maddocchio will be nominated as Labour's Postal Vote-rigging coordinator?
60

McNasty,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 06:16:24
Two kinds of people panic.

Those that don't know what's happening; and those that do.
61

Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 06:32:24
Is this the way Norway is run.....

Ask the people for their opinion, ignore it and do what you like anyway?

Salmond is surely on a very slippery ski slope now.
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Pretzel Logic,

17/07/2009 06:34:29
Is this "Norway Nepotism" in the early stages?
63

Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 06:39:47
DialMforMurdoX # 3

"Advanced Media Watch" is currently on The Gary Glitter Tribute Trail around south east Asia.
The fact that the Creep from Leith described David Maddox as he did is an example of the Creep's lack of dignity and instead of being referred to should be treated with the contempt it deserves.

Is David Kerr the final choice by the SNP for this seat?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 06:46:08
James Dornan has never been declared bankrupt.

There is no evidence Alex Salmond had a preferred candidate.

There is no evidence Nicola Sturgeon had a preferred candidate.

David Kerr is the second choice prospective candidate.

Apart from that, John Mason is a MP, not a MSP.
65

Angleland Isover,

17/07/2009 06:53:44
Madworm is really a robot.
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Colin Wilson,

17/07/2009 06:58:28
"...the former Newsnight assistant editor's coronation as candidate has been taken as further evidence of First Minister Alex Salmond's absolute power over the party"

Absolute power? Wasn't the SNP "in meltdown" only the other day?

There's ome slight confusion here, I think.
67

For Scotland,

Sutherland 17/07/2009 07:02:47
Well.well,well,I expect the unionists enjoy having the media as allies when in doubt get the papers to do your canvassing for you.
News or propeganda ? time the so called media was made to leave anything pertaining to elections alone,they wield to much power these days,I have watched for years the utter bias gainst the SNP ,how anyone can put such rubbish into print is beyond me,they get away with it time and time again.
Oh for a newspaper that was independant of their London masters,surely when papers are losing readers they would want to research and print the truth not stories passed by their political allies.
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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 07:05:47
The only stitch up I see is this rag referring to it self as a Scottish newspaper and AM,addog2 referring to himself as a journalist.
Are they really that desperate to fill these threads?
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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 07:16:59
60

If there was any substance to the First minister and finanicial irregularities then as sure as sh*t the news wouldnt be left on the back burner. The fact that it isnt the headline of every unionist drone sheet in the UK proves there is no substance to it and it isnt news worthy even as a propaganda article
The investigation is only happening within unionist party circles as was instigated by the Lard foulkswit. It will waste more tax payers money as these unelected political trolls try to find a justification for breathing.
But never let facts get in the way of a good wind up troll. AMaddog2/langtonian/SM753/Rufus/Grahamski/etc/etc/etc.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 07:28:24
#65 Pretzel,

You said,
"Salmond is surely on a very slippery ski slope now."

Is that why Comrade Gray is favoured by a MASSIVE 7% of the electorate??????
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 07:30:14
#74 Cedric,

And how do you come by these pearls of wisdom???

Or do you just make them up like the clown, masquerading as a journalist, who wrote this drivel???
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 07:31:17
67 Tartan Bond,

“Is David Kerr the final choice by the SNP for this seat?”

Quite possibly, as following Independence this Westminster seat will no longer exist.
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 17/07/2009 07:32:02
Re #74 : then this can only be a sense of the word "meltdown" I haven't met before.
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Earman,

Paphos 17/07/2009 07:39:27
"Fat Salmond accused of broken U-turn in SNP meltdown disaster shock horror probe ate my hamster in a London bus spotted on the moon sensation".

Perm any three from ten and you may well predict The Scotsman's next "headline" with uncanny accuracy! I haven't had such a laugh since Oor Wullie knocked PC Murdoch's helmet off! Plough on, Mr Maddox, and more power to your elbow, you old serious journalist you.
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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 08:07:45
74

Of course which is why he lost and regained the leadership by popular choice in both cases.
You just dont get the quality of troll anymore.
"fat Salmond" "meltdown" "despotic" and all in support of a fat worthless egotistical despotic Benedict Arnold responisble for the biggest financial meltdown the UK has ever experianced.
Words like Irony and hipocritical dont exist for these people.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 08:17:08
Sign the petition against the war criminal becoming EU President.

You can even post your nationality as Scottish!!!


http://www.stopblair.eu/
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17/07/2009 08:19:26
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john z,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 08:19:52
Oh what a bare faced piece of lying this story is.

Labour may think that the selection is a 'stitch up', but then these are the people in Scotland who think Nuclear power is a good idea, Nuclear missiles are a good idea, Gordon Brown is a good guy, Scotland is too stupid to run its own affairs, and going to war in Iraq was a really, really good idea. To top it all, these people now have Jim p(m)uppet murphy as their Scottish leader, in the english embassy in Leith.

Imagine, you run a newspaper, and pay a journalist good money to write political articles. Imagine then, said journalist takes the lazy option, and just re-gurgittates press releases from ONE political party which he happens to support.

As a newspaper owner, you would not feel you were getting value for money, would you? I mean why not cut out the expensive 'journalist', and just print the press release yourself?



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BIG EYE,

Paisley 17/07/2009 08:25:44
Watch out Unionists!

Trying to portray David Kerr as a fourth choice is likely to result in impressing the electorate when they see what a decent and capable guy David Kerr is. They will be saying the SNP are full of talent when this guy wasn't first choice.

I confidently forecast he will be head and shoulders above any numpty selelcted by the corrupt Labour Party.

Monkeys across the world will be watching the result to determine whether the red rosettes they have in their cupboard have finally had their day.
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AIasdair,

17/07/2009 08:31:45
Someone should do a count of how many stories regarding the SNP are run by the Hootsmon, and feature quotation marks in the headline.
81

Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 08:33:46
The story writes itself! SNP in meltdown!
82

brownlie,

17/07/2009 08:33:58
67 Tartan Bond

AMW holds Gary Glitter in as much, and probably more, contempt as the rest of the country so what precisely is your point in suggesting that his holiday in the Far East is a tribute to Gary Glitter? Your attempt to associate him with a paedophile is even more contemptuous than his reference to David Maddox. At least David had the right to reply whilst you appear to be taking advantage of the fact that AMW currently does not.
83

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 17/07/2009 08:37:49
"The farcical selection procedure mirrored Labour's nightmare this time last year when Glasgow MSP Margaret Curran emerged as their fifth-choice candidate for the Glasgow East by-election. This was seen as a key factor in her defeat to Nationalist John Mason"

While the situation does the SNP no good at all, and already puts their candidate on the back-foot, this comment from Maddox is just a deluded lie.

Curran was a high-profile Scottish politician, already elected as an MSP. However within 2-minutes she started telling lies, and continued telling lies during her campaign. The Labour campaign in Glasgow East lacked motivation, workers and resources, and was simply out-run by a highly efficient SNP campaign, commanded out of Nicola Sturgeon's home on a day-by-day basis.

The SNP's Glenrothes campaign seemed to lack this efficiency. The SNP need to redo the structure and campaign command they demonstrated in Glasgow East.
84

gus1940,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 08:40:36
If the biased hypocrityical lies vomited daily on to the pages of The Anti-Scotsman were to be printed in The Daily Reta-d there is a chance that they might influence the future voting intentions of the cretins who read that rag.

However, historically readers of this 'newspaper' have possessed a reasonable amount of intelligence and discernment as regards formulating their political opinions.

Is it not time for JP to realise that that they are wasting their time with their non-stop onslaught of lies and distortion against The SNP and that all they are achieving is the acceleration of the headlong decline in circulation as long term loyal readers desert tne sinking rotten carcase of what was once a great newspaper (please note lack of quote marks).



85

TWC,

exLabour 17/07/2009 08:41:25
Mad dog loves Labour. All this discusssion about how e save the newspapers, well I'll tell you get some real Journalists and ask questions that will improve Scotland.

How about why are the treasury and Westminster Parties so set against Full Fiscal powers for Scotland?
Why are they and the Media in general so scared of it???
86

i wear trousers not a skirt,

17/07/2009 08:47:56
Where i stay the snp now runs the council( renfrewshire council) yesterday i phoned the council for a special uplift ( double bed and chest freezer) under the labour council it cost £13 yesterday it cost me £36.80 they introduced a new charge for every white good of £18.40 per item. as i have said before both labour and the snp are not to be trusted. i still think labour will win the seat as the voters voted for the fraudster mick martin for the last 20 years or so.
87

Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 08:48:22
You all LOVE reading the Scotsman! You are here every day, clicking on webpages, giving them money! LOL!
88

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 08:49:30
86

So youre already trying to put distance between yourself and this party political memo then AMaddog2?
89

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 08:55:24
Maddox cannot even get his terminology right, there is no such thing as bankruptcy in Scottish law, the procedure is called sequestration.
The charity regulations list a number of situations which make people ineligible for appointment, these charities often operate on a UK wide basis so include bankruptcy among their conditions.
90

Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 08:56:37
#93, I think you must have funded The Scotsman and Maddox's bonus quite a bit, Saltire! You must love it!
91

Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 09:03:01
Thats shut them up!
92

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 09:03:29
#96 Rufus,

Have you given up on serious debate now and become the spelling and grammer moderator????

Suits you!!!
93

Roy,

17/07/2009 09:04:19
Definitely a Scotsman agenda emerging on this so-called story line.
94

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17/07/2009 09:04:19
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95

brownlie,

17/07/2009 09:04:20
96

hipo is a device that enables you to manage the information on your ipod and is critical to it's efficient function. This is fact - I read it in the Scotsman.
96

brownlie,

17/07/2009 09:07:16
100 DEBW

I bet he'll rufus to answer that. (Memo to self - must get a spell-checker.)
97

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 09:08:04
#101 brownlie,

I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Hootsmon!!!!

Look at their track record???
98

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 09:09:36
96

But Group Captain Lionel Mandrake does eh? whatever happened to sado masocist monthly volume 753?
keeping it on the back burner for a more worthy thread Amaddog2?
99

Melly,

Dunblane 17/07/2009 09:16:28
#91 We have just disposed of a fridge on Monday. Stirling Council charge nothing for this service.
100

Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 09:17:48
And you continue to click on the Scotsmans web pages,giving them money! LOL!
101

George Mackay,

Dundee 17/07/2009 09:20:01
84 BIG EYE

Kerr is not a great guy. He worked for the unionist BBC which tells lies about Scotland. He's a traitor and the SNP should ditch him.
102

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 09:23:03
#'s 92, 95, 97, 106 Boudiccas,

Do you not have anything sensible to say???
103

radge dug,

17/07/2009 09:27:27
Hey, it's David Maddox and his Labour press releases again!
104

Colkitto,

River Clyde 17/07/2009 09:28:01
Labour and Scotsman strategy for forthcoming by-election -
We will call the SNP candidate "4th choice" and repeat it ad nauseum in the hope that people will vote Labour !

Looks like desperate times for Labour........
105

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 09:28:13
#94

"Maddox cannot even get his terminology right, there is no such thing as bankruptcy in Scottish law, the procedure is called sequestration."

So whats the Bankruptcy and Diligence etc.(Scotland) Act 2007 then?
106

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 09:30:11
#110

"Labour and Scotsman strategy for forthcoming by-election - We will call the SNP candidate "4th choice" and repeat it ad nauseum in the hope that people will vote Labour !"

SNP strategy for Glasgow East by-election - we will call the labour candidate "5th choice" and repeat it ad nauseum in the hope that people will vote SNP!

It worked for them...
107

Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 09:30:30
111
Yeah1,

Your missing Jeremy Kyle..........about your level I suspect.
108

vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

Far away 17/07/2009 09:32:45
5, Alan B

Alan, in some ways today's Herald is even worse. There, one Brian Currie gives us the following barefaced lie:

"Mr Dornan quit the race within days after it was revealed he had failed to disclose serious financial problems."

Seems James was right to withdraw early. It gives the Union's finest time to tire of flogging the same garbage before the election is held.
109

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 09:34:51
#113

"Your missing Jeremy Kyle..........about your level I suspect."

Your missing Cbeebies - thats about your level, given your 4pm bedtimes and your extremely childish and infantile behaviour.
110

Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 09:35:00
You can't handle TRUTH! SNP in Meltdown!
111

Grahamski,

Falkirk 17/07/2009 09:35:37
The cybernats are a hoot on here. During the Glasgow East by-election they went on and on about Labour's shambolic candidate selection. Now they're outraged that the papers report the SNP being involved in internecine shenanigans with Mr Salmond's mob nobbling Ms Sturgeon's mob - ironically when they briefed against Mr Dorman they used the same journalist that the Labour backstabbers used against Ms Alexander. Paul Hutcheon - the political assasin's pet journo....
112

vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

Far away 17/07/2009 09:37:09
11, Tris

Aye, Tris, and the Herald. As the late, lamented Oliver Brown once said: "All a man needs in life is a good cause and the enmity of the Glasgow Herald. And if he has the first, the second will surely follow."

Good luck, David Kerr.
113

Grahamski,

Falkirk 17/07/2009 09:37:34
117
assassin, obviously....
114

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 09:38:46
#77

"Quite possibly, as following Independence this Westminster seat will no longer exist."

Yes I'm sure the SNP MPs will be delighted if Scotland gets independence but I would imagine that at least some of them will have a pang of regret at no longer having access to the gravy train.

No more charging the taxpayer for non-existent food and luxurious sofa beds.

I'm sure Salmond will find them some very cushy jobs in the new administration to make up for it though...
115

John S,

17/07/2009 09:45:14
Is the Labour Party worried ?
Why the delay in holding the Glasgow North East election when G Brown said: It is right that the constituents of Glasgow (East) have a new MP as soon as possible. 2nd July 2008

Labour candidate Willie Bains pointed out that Mr Kerr had no local credentials plus a Labour Party spokesman said this is an insult to democracy and they couldn't find a local candidate.
Now is having to be a local candidate and/or having local credentials a requirement when standing in Scottish or UK Parliament elections ?
116

brownlie,

17/07/2009 09:46:23
120 Yeah1

Hey, credibility, are you okay, yeah? Are you only posting under one moniker today?
117

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 09:46:38
#120 yeah,

You'll be impressed by Comrade Broon's extravagant ways??

From The Times,

"Despite promising to cut the use of spin in politics, the Prime Minister now has 25 special advisers on the public payroll at No 10, his office said last night. The last time the figures were disclosed last summer, the figure was 23.

In total, Government ministers employ 74 special advisers, politically-appointed civil servants who are allowed to engage in party political activity but are still paid by the taxpayer.

The total paybill for special advisers in 2008/09 was £5.9 million. That includes pension contributions and severance payments for departing advisers.


Many of Labour's advisers are paid more than backbench MPs, who receive a salary of £65,000.

Some 14 aides in Downing Street are in a salary band that ranges from £66,000 to £103,000."

I wonder if Damien McBride, he of the made up slandering, got a pay off?????

118

Tynietiger,

17/07/2009 09:48:28
It is no stitch up as claimed by Labour supporting Maddox who has moved from 5th choice to 4th choice Scotsman political reporter.

Nominations for a candidate was re-opened and if local members were unhappy with David Kerr they would have nominated someone to stand against him.

He sounds like an excellent candidate who unlike the Labour candidate does not live 400 miles away in London.
119

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 09:50:41
117

Whats a real hoot is you pretending to be anybody other than Amaddog2.
Gaud bless er Majesty a real daamond geezer and naw error.

SNP shambolic candidate selection? when according to this latest party political release the SNP are now going with their first choice candidate after all? if there is anything shambolic about this its the shambolic reporting and the corrections having to be made with every article published.
Amaddog2 its about time you got yourself a job youre qualified and capable of like a Lybour party leaflet distributor for example?
120

Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 09:52:55
Labour has no need to be worried in Scotland - you idiots will vote for any old fools! We will get our conservative party and you will be ruled properly again soon,dont you worry,chummys! There is no way the snp lot will win - its a bit like voting liberal here! LOL! Sort of a protest vote and you know your party will never govern in a real (westminster) election!
121

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 09:53:23
#121

"Why the delay in holding the Glasgow North East election"

In order to give the SNP time to find a candidate probably...

"Now is having to be a local candidate and/or having local credentials a requirement when standing in Scottish or UK Parliament elections ?"

No but it certainly adds to the appeal of the candidate for the electorate if they are 'local'. I remember there was a considerable amount of fuss from SNP people on here last year over Margaret Curran's local credentials for Glasgow East.
122

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 09:55:09
I'll be interested to hear Willie Bain's thoughts on New Labour Sleaze and Corruption's illegal war in Iraq.

Willie Bain, a member of Amnesty International, sounds the perfect hypocrite and will no doubt slot well into the freeloading lifestyle of a New Labour Sleaze MP if the electorate are daft enough to vote for him.
123

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 09:55:50
#124

"He sounds like an excellent candidate who unlike the Labour candidate does not live 400 miles away in London."

That lie has already been covered. The labour candidate was brought up and lives in the constituency.

He commutes to London 3 days a week to work as a lecturer.

Now I'm sure you realise commuting to somewhere to work is different from living there don't you?
124

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 09:57:40
enjoy your outpourigs on here Unionistas because at the ballot box where the real talking is done you are in for a thrashing.

The fact that Labour and their Quisling friends on here have to resort to such tactics ,to defend one of their safest seats in UK shows how scared they are of Scotland's Party.
125

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 09:57:41
111 Yeah1,


Sequestration is the Scottish legal term for personal bankruptcy.


“The Bankruptcy and Diligence etc. (Scotland) Act 2007 received Royal Assent on 15 January 2007. The main changes introduced by the Bankruptcy Part of the Act from 1 April 2008 are –”


James Dornan was never “sequestrated”, and in any case the above Act, which makes frequent references to “sequestration” does not apply to his personal circumstances.
126

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 09:58:20
Just read a cracker from Mr 7%, Comrade Gray, talking about the forthcoming by-election!

"“Willie Bain will be an excellent candidate and would make a first rate MP for Glasgow North East. I look forward to campaigning with Willie to expose the SNP's broken promises."

Seems Comrade Gray thinks the SNP are in power in Westminster!!!

I knew he was an idiot but he doesn't need to show it every time he opens his mouth????

http://www.williebain.com/home
127

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:01:59
Surely the person who has been stiched up here is Councillor Dornan. By the press. The same press who would no doubt have stiched up Grant Thoms. I don't see how Alex Salmond could have engineered that, the SNP don't control the press do they.

And I see that yet again Maddox has reported that Dornan was a bankrupt, which is defamation.


128

MacFloyd,

Union Kon 17/07/2009 10:02:06
Interesting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8153139.stm

I'm sure they'll negotiate well. As independent members they'll already have more powers than Scotland the Dividended - the tail that will never wag the UK dog.
129

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:02:10
#131

"Sequestration is the Scottish legal term for personal bankruptcy."

I know what sequestration is, and I know it applies to Dornan.

I was responding to the poster who said "there is no such thing as bankruptcy in Scottish law" by pointing out that in actual fact there is.
130

Jinselkirk,

17/07/2009 10:04:18
has the Scotsman mentioned yet the resignation on 10th July of Chris Walker Tory PPC for B R S?
131

Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 10:06:17
The SNP wanted you to have someone who couldnt control his own finances! LOL! Will the people of glasgow swallow anything? As long as it is covered in as much fat as salmond,then probably yes! LOL!
132

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:08:44
135 Dornan had a Trust Deed. That is not sequestration.
133

Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 10:10:10
135 Yeah1


“I know what sequestration is, and I know it applies to Dornan.”


Explain how exactly sequestration applies to James Dornan?

I will repeat for your benefit:

James Dornan was never “sequestrated”.
134

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:12:19
As anyone should know a person who is sequestrated cannot hold public office. As Mr Dornan was not sequestrated, he could, and does.
135

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:14:42
#139

No he wasn't sequestrated, he was an 'undischarged bankrupt' - he had a protected trust deed and consented to his estate being sequestrated if the trustee felt it appropriate.
136

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 10:15:05
Reading the posts from "Boudiccas Henchman" makes it easy to see why the SNP are ahead in EVERY poll!!!
137

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:16:38
141 Anyone can google ''trust deeds'' and see how thousands of Scottish families use them to manage accumulated debts. You are musrepresenting Mr Dornan's situation and flirting with the same defamation Maddox is guilty of.
138

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:19:53
#143

"You are musrepresenting Mr Dornan's situation"

So he wasn't an 'undischarged bankrupt' who got a 'protected trust deed' then?
139

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 10:20:29
141 Yeah1 If you enter a trust deed which is legal in Scotland but not in England, it is a legal binding contract between you and your creditors usually arranged by a third party KPMG for example.

The trusutee cannot just sequestrate without cause and and justification, nothing to do with "feelings".
140

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 10:22:12
127

"Why the delay in holding the Glasgow North East election"

"In order to give the SNP time to find a candidate probably..."

Cant you troll and debate at the same time? does your intellectual capacity not allow you to post anything other than wind up garbage? for phuqqs sake if you insist on infecting these threads than at least make an effort at an argument or point of view.
141

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:22:38
144 As I said anyone can google ''trust deed''. In fact I recommend googling ''trust deed'' AND ''sequestration''. The reader will then be able to see for themselves that you are being selectively literal with the phraseology you are using.
142

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:24:11
#147

I wouldn't recommend using Google. I used Westlaw - far more reliable.
143

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:26:06
148 How very selective of you - again. I prefer recommending a random search to justify my case. Not one where I know what the answers will be.
144

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 17/07/2009 10:26:38
Media coverage of scottish politics has been stitched up for the last fifty years.

It is about time we had some real reporting, instead of Labour Party press releases.

Propaganda is not a luxury that a "free press" should indugle in. We all know that they do this.
145

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:28:28
#149

"I prefer recommending a random search to justify my case."

A random search of Google is not reliable - it can include thousands of made-up and false information.

If you have access to a legal database such as Westlaw I would recommend using it for something such as this.
146

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:33:43
151 I think readers are aware of the balance of probabilities. If the random search indicates that there is a clear diffeence between a Trust Deed and Sequestration, as opposed to your one site which I imagine conflates the two, then I suggest the conclusion is obvious. And in any case, as you should know, Trust Deeds are far cheaper and less legally complicated than Sequestration. Lawyers don't like them.

Now this is getting boring.
147

brownlie,

17/07/2009 10:35:05
Yeah1

Very interested in your entry yesterday at 12.55. "I am merely high-lighting the hypocrisy of "Electric Hermit" for criticising someone else for "lying" when he himself is a proven liar".

On 14/7/2009 at 15.41 you claimed that you only used your own name when posting. When it was pointed out that you had, previously, used two monikers on the same thread you again denied it and invited proof, posting "I expect your proof to be non-existent".

On the 23/10/08 you were posting as both "Yeh" and "Hey" and got the two mixed up, replying to a question to "Hey" as "Yeah1". When you were challenged on this you replied at 12.50.20 on 23/10/08 "I never pretended to be not the same person" - yes, you did as you were, ostensibly, posting as two separate individuals. You went on "I made quite clear that I was both Yeah and Hey". - no, you did not until you got your two different monikers mixed up.

The fact that you now claim not to post under any name other than your own makes you a proven liar, by your own admission, and certainly hypocritical in criticising any other poster.
148

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 10:36:25
On the poor reporting in this piece surely Maddox must know that you cannot hold public office whilst being Bankrupt?

A PTD is not sequestration, by it's legal definition therefore a person who has entered a PTD is not bankrupt.

End of story Scotsmans / Maddox / Shoite reporting.
149

Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 10:36:42
And yet another soldier dies while Comrade Broon lies like a cheap watch.

Absolutely shocking!
150

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:37:59
The fact is, Dornan entered into a protected trust deed - in terms of the Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005 this makes him an 'undischarged bankrupt'.

s.70 of the above Act states: "undischarged bankrupt" means a person - (a) whose estate has been sequestrated, who has been adjudged bankrupt or WHO HAS GRANTED A TRUST DEED for or entered into an arrangement with creditors
151

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 10:39:08
148

So you base your whole argument on a single opinion and interpretation? how novel.
Hardly definitive though eh?
152

TWC,

exLabour 17/07/2009 10:40:52
132 Jimmy Le Pie,

Well remember gordo is still in charge of SLAB as far as Elmer Fudd is concerned, I reckon Gray has to ask if he can go to the bog.
I don't see Labour holding this, but with the voters having supported Martin for 20 years you never can tell.
the Nats would need to carry a bit of luck to actually take it but I hope they do for the Sake of Scotland's future and it might just cause a revolution within Labour in Scotland.
153

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:41:12
#154

"On the poor reporting in this piece surely Maddox must know that you cannot hold public office whilst being Bankrupt?"

Yes it is poor reporting - in terms of the relevant Act, Dornan was an 'undischarged bankrupt' he wasn't bankrupt - an important distinction because as you say if he was bankrupt he couldn't run for public office.
154

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:43:25
#157

"you base your whole argument on a single opinion and interpretation? how novel.
Hardly definitive though eh?"

Er...I based my argument on the relevant legislation - The Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005 - that isn't an 'opinion' it is the law. So yes, it is definitive...
155

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 10:44:23
Brownlie @ 153 Yeah1 was telling me all about the Labour candidate for the Glasgow NE by-election work and travel arrangements!

I did ask Yeah1 that they seemed to have a lot of knowledge for somebody who supports the "Green party"

Know if they where in the Labour party and would know the intel I could understand, but it is strange for a "Green party" supporter to know so much about him?

I thought the "Green Party" were against long commuting and preferred local travel to reduce the carbon foot print?
156

Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:46:23
160 But you are completely missing the point. Mr Dornan unknowingly breached Charity law because he was nominated to sit on the Board of a faux Charity Glasgow City Council made up in his position as a Councillor. A position as a Councillor he is legally entitled to hold as he hasn't been sequestrated.
157

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 10:46:36
137 Bouddicass
Will the people of glasgow swallow anything?
-------------------------------------------------------
Well they did Vote Labour for 50 years
158

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 10:47:05
156

And this is the worst spin that can be dredged up to attack an SNP candidate? relative to the corruption lies theft and genocide the opposition are drowning in?
It wouldnt make a single column within a real newspaper and nobody would care if it wasnt spun and built up to galactic disproportions by a desperate corrupt and morally depraved political party and its equally morally corrupt pet media.
159

morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 10:47:35
The farcical selection procedure mirrored Labour's nightmare this time last year when Glasgow MSP Margaret Curran emerged as their fifth-choice candidate for the Glasgow East by-election. This was seen as a key factor in her defeat to Nationalist John Mason.
Was it? It was not seen as such by me.
Margaret Curran was holding the seat when she was selected>What lost her the seat was being caught lying about her claim to be one of Glasgow Easts own. I'm sure the vast majority of Glasgow East were far more disgusted by her being a liar ,and not even a plausible one!

There was of course a personal factor. They did not particularly want a screaming banshee representing them.
Glasgow East may not all be rich ,but they clearly have nothing wrong with their hearing!

The selection of the SNP candidate has not been ideal I agree, but will make no sodding difference to anybody other than the supporters of Councillor Dornan possibly who may be disappointed,because their councillors major "offence"is only that he was skint!
I would think that would endear him to Glasgow North East if anything ! There but for the Grace of God go we all!

A total non story Hootsman and another piece of irrelevance.
160

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:49:29
#161

"if they where in the Labour party and would know the intel I could understand, but it is strange for a "Green party" supporter to know so much about him?"

There was an article about him the other day thats how I know the facts.

I didn't say I'm in favour of his travel arrangements, I was merely pointing out the fact that he doesn't live in London as was suggested, but just commutes there.
161

brownlie,

17/07/2009 10:50:09
161 Tormod

There is a striking similarity between Yeah1's faux pas on the 23/10/08 and Highland Mighty's faux pas as British Pride on this thread. It's probably just coincidence but it's strange that someone with similarly persistent opinions and style just disappeared.
162

Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 10:50:12
153
brownlie,

Spot on. The very point I was trying to make yesterday. Petty and hypocritical.
163

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 10:52:26
160

It may very well be "a law" but all laws are wide open to interpretation its why we have lawyers and legal representation. If all laws were straight forward and definitive then lawyers would be redundant.
Since when did the UK government ever give credence to the law? its a bit of a liberty when a body putting itself above the law uses it for its own ends dont you think?
164

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:53:09
#162

So if he didn't do anything wrong why has he been forced to stand down as candidate by the SNP?
165

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 10:53:12
Yeah1 the only person who is using the term "undischarged bankrupt" is yourself, if the reporter was to use it they would have to explain that the term covered several meanings in relation to a PTD.

I have colleagues who deal in PTD on a daily basis and none of them refer to clients who are in PTD as "undischarged bankrupt" because they know that the term is a legal definition that covers several scenarios.

They also know that use of the term "Bankrupt" whilst in PTD is not true and can be "misused" and "abused" by parties not privy to the case as we all know the stigma that comes from the term bankrupt.

So by using this legal term that covers several scenarios, your are using it in a pathetic attempt to justify the shoite reporting and attack drone Maddox and his labour handlers.

Caught again Hoonster will you every learn!
166

arc of insolvency,

17/07/2009 10:54:17
The power has went to Alex's head.....he likes the sound of his own voice too much much....
167

Yeah1,

17/07/2009 10:55:57
#168

"Petty and hypocritical."

And you aren't 'petty and hypocritical' for criticising the accurate use of the word 'bigot' to describe someone, but condoning the use of the words 'fcukwit' and 'quisling'?

Pathetic. Go back to watching Cbeebies child.
168

brownlie,

17/07/2009 10:56:43
170 Yeah1/Hey

Was he forced to stand down by the SNP?

172 arc of insolvency

Brilliant, cogent and intelligent posting.
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 10:59:15
173 Yeah1,

Irespective of whether you are regarded as petty or not, you can certainly be regarded as hypocritical.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 10:59:16
170 He wasn't forced to stand down he did so, because the Man probably knew that for example the above narrative of yourself would be used by his opponents to try and undermine him.

166. So in this article does it say does he fly down to London every day, or does he stay over for the three days and come back?
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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 10:59:23
170

Who said he was forced? I heard it was his own decision to stand down. Is this the latest lie from Lybour HQ? can we expect another story tommorrow on how he was "forced" to stand down against his will?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:00:42
170 Because the press got hold of it and misrepresented the position. We have seen all this before, and know it wouldn't go away. So the campaign would have been about him, and not the issues.

If you doubt my statement about the press, why are they lying about the number of candidates and calling Mr Dornan a bankrupt ?
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 11:01:01
170
Yeah1

"So if he didn't do anything wrong why has he been forced to stand down as candidate by the SNP?"

Dornan was no more "forced to stand down" than he was declared bankrupt. You make the mistake of believing your own lies. An extremely foolish mistake, as the lies were never that convincing.

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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:02:58
172 How's life inside the M25?
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:03:22
#171

"Yeah1 the only person who is using the term "undischarged bankrupt" is yourself"

The reason Dornan was made to stand down by the SNP is that, under the terms of the Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005, he was an 'undischarged bankrupt'.

"So by using this legal term that covers several scenarios, your are using it in a pathetic attempt to justify the shoite reporting"

Look at my post #159 - I AGREED with you that it was poor reporting for describing Dornan as bankrupt, when he wasn't.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 11:04:46
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee # 77

"Quite possibly, as following Independence this Westminster seat will no longer exist."

The only way that sit will no longer exist is if the SNP dispense with elections post independence.
It is hypothetical anyway, Scotland is not going to vote for isolationism.
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 11:04:50
173
Yeah1,

You just cannot let it go can you? Unclench! Lighten up. It is not that important. Do you have a tab opened on dictionary.com. Your soooo up tight you must squeak when you walk. I feel really sorry for you. I really do. Your probably a nice person, a bit needy, but nonetheless a nice person.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:06:05
''The reason Dornan was made to stand down by the SNP is that''

It wasn't the SNP who made him stand down: it was the press.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:09:08
133 You seem a bit confused. Post independence we won't be sending MP's to Westminster.
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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 11:09:23
167

Its no mystery. AMaddog2 can jump on these threads as anybody he chooses.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:09:52
Sorry 186 for 183
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 11:09:56
182
Yeah1

"Look at my post #159 - I AGREED with you that it was poor reporting for describing Dornan as bankrupt, when he wasn't."

After the lie, the squirming.

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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:10:14
#174, 177, 178, 180

Ok let me re-phrase:

he "decided to step aside" - I'm sure it was all his own decision, no pressure from the SNP hierarchy...

Interesting though that the only one who seems to agree that he was 'forced' to step aside is 'Observer', an SNP activist and one of the few sensible and 'real' SNP supporters on here - see #179
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 11:10:44
brownlie # 87

How do you know what he thinks?
Anyone that would publish a comment, such as he did about David Maddox, is capable of anything. Nobody knew what Gary Glitter's predilections were whilst paying to see him on stage. You do not know what AMWs are either, unless you are there with him?
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TWC,

exLabour 17/07/2009 11:11:30
The real problem for Labour is that this election will be a judgement on the leader and the party and let's face it they have no credibility and have made the UK Government a laughing stock all over the world.
Expenses
Iraq
Pensions
Economy
Afghanistan
the list is endless
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 11:12:08
183
Tartan Bond

"It is hypothetical anyway, Scotland is not going to vote for isolationism."

You're right. UKIP will never make an impact at the polls in Scotland.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:12:49
190 A typo I later corrected. I think the press forced him out. As a non-SNP activist I think they probably agreed he should stand down, which personally I think is a pity.
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Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 17/07/2009 11:14:27
One man's 'stitch-up' is an others opportunity.

If Mr Kerr wins and takes with him the normal amount of brain cells to Westminster, he could do more for his constituents in 11 months than his predecessor did in the twenty odd years of his tenure.

Poor reporting; but that's to be expected.

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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 11:14:40
182

Poor reporting yes but also deliberate. This rag allows its lets call them reporters for arguments sake if no other to lie with impunity. It obviously has no standards when it comes to accuracy or editing. Very similar to your posting coincidently. Again just to remind you of your blatent lie. He wasnt forced to quit!
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 11:16:34
190
Yeah1

"Ok let me re-phrase:"

That is not to "re-phrase". That is an admission of your previous lie.

"Interesting though that the only one who seems to agree that he was 'forced' to step aside is 'Observer', an SNP activist and one of the few sensible and 'real' SNP supporters on here - see #179"

Dishonesty takes different forms. And it is evident that you are well-practised in all of them. This particular example would be called "misrepresentation".

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The Saltire,

17/07/2009 11:18:28
190

If youre so sure why do you insist on posting he was forced? Observer thinks it was the press who forced him out not the SNP. Yet another bare faced lie. Its obvious you work for this rag youre too well qualified.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 11:24:51
you get the mp you deserve! You deserve martin and you deserve a bankrupt snp man as well!
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:28:20
#199

"If youre so sure why do you insist on posting he was forced?"

I have already re-phrased - he "decided to step aside", I'm sure under no pressure whatsoever from the SNP hierarchy...

Of course it was 'his decision' - similar to a football manager's 'mutual decision' to resign, when he is actually being sacked for example...
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:29:04
182 Yeah1 James Dornan would have to stand down from the committee he was on, but it doesn't stop him from being a councillor or MP.

He wasn't forced, many other have commented that his financial problems would have been used against and the SNP, labour no doubt would have preffered him to stay.

As it is they David Kerr, so when they have the bottle call the by-election and let battle commence!
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:31:18
#200

Back again bigot? Shouldn't you be busy organsing the Scottish Liberation Army in their campaign against 'foreign rule'?

Aren't you drawing up plans on how to deal with the 92% of the Scottish electorate who you described as 'quislings', and what to do about the 'collaborating' 'vichy regime' who currently form the Scottish Government?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 11:32:09
If the SNP are in such disarray, as the fools who support New Labour Sleaze would have you believe, why have Downing Street not moved the writ and announced the by-election date????

Answers please????

Aye thought not!
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 11:33:30
183

Scotland would in all probability remain as a member of the European Union and would be no more isolated than the United Condom is,if anything we would be less so, because we seem to be more European than our neighbours do.
We would be as isolated as you would be if you stuck your hand in an electric socket!
The remaining three (England Wales & Northern Ireland) could however leave the EU one day , and they would possibly be isolated whatever it means.
We are an island anyway so I doubt that much change is even possible. We cant stop being next door any more than we can stop being near Norway,nor would we wish to.
Just because we might take a democratic decision to dump Westmidden,isolates us from nobody.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:34:25
#205

"He wasn't forced, many other have commented that his financial problems would have been used against and the SNP"

Yes exactly - labour would have used his financial problems as an attack on his candidacy and they would have tried to make that the focus of the by-election.

The SNP understandably didn't want that of course, so he was 'advised' 'recommended' 'forced' (whichever word you want to use) to 'step aside'.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:36:22
207 Jimmy it tells you all you need to know about what the local and national Labour party think of there chances!
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:37:12
#197 Electric Hermit:

Surely you see the irony of you criticising others for 'dishonesty' and 'lying' when you are the biggest liar on here, don't you?

You have a proven record of making up completely false accusations about people and then failing to come up with any evidence or proof whatsover to back up those lies.

What is even worse is that you refused to be a man and admit you lied and apologise.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:37:15
#197 Electric Hermit

You stupid, brain-dead idiot. You have to be a real muppet to spew out the same vile rubbish every day of your useless pathetic life.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:37:16
205 Tormod, Dornan had long stood down from the board of the faux ''charity'' Glasgow City Council invented, before the Sunday Herald published their ''story''. No one raised an eyebrow at the time. No one even noticed what was in fact a technical breach. But when Dornan became the candidate they had to dig up dirt on him.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 11:38:08
202

You deserve a brain .I would complain vociferously if I were you.

Probability is that what you know about Glasgow can not only be written on the back of a postqage stamp, IT ALREADY IS !
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John S,

17/07/2009 11:39:05
Glasgow North East, by-election why the delay ?
Glasgow East by-election
30 June 2008 - David Marshall MP resigns
1 July 2008 - The Government moved the writ for the Glasgow East by-election.
24 July 2008 - Glasgow East by-election was held

19 May 2009 - Mr Martin MP for Glasgow North East said that he would leave his post as the Speaker on June 21 2009 (resign as MP).
21 June 2009 - Mr Martin MP for Glasgow North East resigns
12 Nov 2009 - Glasgow North East possible by-election.

5 June 2009, John Gibson MP for Norwich North resigned.
30 June 2009 - The Government moved the writ for the Norwich North by-election.
23 July 2009 - The Norwich North by-election will held.

2nd July 2008 - G Brown said: It is right that the constituents of Glasgow (East) have a new MP as soon as possible.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 11:39:07
213 So why do you do it then?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:42:07
209 Supposition and conjecture on your part. Or as we said in my neck of the woods "Gassing like an auld sweetie wife"
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:43:12
214 Observer cheers for the clarification.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:43:56
The real reason Dorman 'decided' to stand aside is that his selection as candidate was a major blow to Salmond's ego.

Salmond's preferred candidate was Kerr, whereas Dorman was favoured by Nicola Sturgeon.

The local party rightly and democratically selected Dorman as candidate.

Just days later his financial problems were leaked to the press who of course jumped on the story and he 'decided to stand aside' shortly afterwards.

Seems very fishy to me - almost the sort of thing labour would do.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:44:56
#218 Richard, West Lothian

Still havering, Nazi boy?
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Sedov,

17/07/2009 11:45:42
Another farce from politicians at a time when mistrust in them is at an all time high.

Labour cannot lecture about the SNP forcing candidates upon their members when they vast majority of LP members went along with the coronation of Brown with no contest.

The voters in Glasgow NE will show their disgust at both the SNP and Labour by staying away from the polling stations.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:45:45
214 If that was the worst they could dig up, what's next missed bill reminder shock?

Christ everybody at one time in their lifes has a financial difficult of one sort or another.
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Miss H,

17/07/2009 11:46:01
190 Yes the decision to step aside was his own decision and a perfectly understandable one. If he had wanted to tough it out the party would have supported him - but who would want to go through potentially 5 months of being labelled a bankrupt and having his honesty called into question?

I don’t blame James one little bit for standing down. He did not want to distract from the issues of the campaign and of course he wanted to do what was best for his family. SNP members completely understand that and support his decision.

I know that James will be out campaigning for David Kerr this weekend, as will I and most other Glasgow activists. This story really is utter rubbish. The party had 2 very good candidates to choose from. What happened to James was very tough but it has happened, we have lost a great candidate but luckily David Kerr will also be a great candidate.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:46:10
#217 morris, edinburgh

You stupid, brain-dead idiot. You have to be a real muppet to spew out the same vile rubbish every day of your useless pathetic life.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 11:48:25
221 Again according to whom? The Scotsman? The SNP? Do you think anybody within the local party or HQ would be on the phone talking to Maddox about this?

I am mean Maddox isn't exactly a fair reporter of the facts is he?
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 11:50:35
baggy troosers - you just dont like the TRUTH!
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John S,

17/07/2009 11:51:11
Then there is £250 donated to the Glasgow North East Constituency Labour Party by a "William Bain", who we can probably asume is the same Willie Bain mooted as the front-runner to become the Labour candidate in the forthcoming by-election in that constituency caused by the resignation of Speaker Michael Martin. http://tiny.cc/yAbsU :: 27 May 2009
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:51:23
#227 Richard, West Lothian

The stench coming from you is unbearable, you filthy disgusting creature.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:52:06
221 You have just made that up. It seems more likely that Tom Gordon and Paul Hutcheon just did what they do every Sunday - pull the wings off a politician. Sometimes it's justified, sometimes it's not.

With all due respect I think you must lack political savvy to think that any Party would inflict this stooshie on themselves.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 11:52:27
#156 Yeah1

The Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005 does indeed offer a definition of the word bankrupt but one which only holds water in relation to the act it's self, i.e. not one which has any validity in any other context.

you will note the catchall ***"or entered into an arrangement with creditors"*** in 3(a), Included for the purpose of keeping people who may be experiencing financial difficulties away from temptation.


This would of course disqualify anyone who the council has set the Sherriff Oficers on with respect of late payment of council tax, had a phone call from the bank or credit card company re an exceeded overdraught limit or had let any account from mortgage to book club drift into arrears to the point that the creditor contacts them to ask why and beyond the point where they can clear the arrears instantaneously.

THIS IS NOT A RE-DEFINITION OF THE WORD BANKRUPT

If it was...who among us could truthfully say...I have never been declared bankrupt?


section70

3) In section 69(2)(b), “undischarged bankrupt” means a person—

(a) whose estate has been sequestrated, who has been adjudged bankrupt or who has granted a trust deed for or entered into an arrangement with creditors, and

(b) who has not been discharged under or by virtue of—

(i) section 54 or 75(4) of the Bankruptcy (Scotland) Act 1985 (c. 66),

(ii) an order under paragraph 11 of Schedule 4 to that Act,

(iii) section 279 or 280 of the Insolvency Act 1986 (c. 45), or

(iv) any other enactment or rule of law subsisting at the time of the person’s discharge.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:53:56
The BBC is really the London ENGLISH Broadcasting Corporation, edited entirely by Brownite slaves, and must be abolished immediately.

Anyone who has a different opinion is a traitorous muppet Nazi.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 11:54:52
216

Clearly Labour cannot afford a reduced majority, let alone risk a defeat (which will happen at Norwich and its a racing certainty).
The Glasgow Seat can only be held if they delay the contest and bus loads of activists from England to spread their hazy mist of lies and deception on the doorsteps.They cant put it on a leaflet.It would have to be retracted,so the usual nonsense will be peddled on the doorsteps of isolationism, we will be thrown out of the EU,banned to live on the moon, the sky will fall in ,and worst of all John Reids team team will not win the league !
Boy will that scare them.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:55:38
David Maddox must be slowly tortured to death.

Anyone who has a different opinion is a traitorous muppet Nazi.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 11:56:21
AM2 must be slowly tortured to death.

Anyone who has a different opinion is a traitorous muppet Nazi.
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 11:57:03
191 Tartan Bond

How do I know what he thinks? Because I know him and his proclivities. The fact that he is travelling the Far East with his long-term partner speaks for itself. Are you, insultingly, seriously suggesting that every-one who travels in that area are on the "Gary Glitter Tribute Trail"? Why mention Glitter with reference to AMW? Are you, insultingly, seriously suggesting that anyone who uses the "c" word is capable of anything. Is there a responsible adult around who can monitor your contributions to this thread?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 11:57:17
234 Tin Man have you told Alistair Campbell that the BBC is edited by Labour slaves ?

I think I know what you are doing here, but I don't know what the casual observer would think......
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 11:58:06
#218

""92% of the Scottish electorate who you described as 'quislings'"

Another lie and smear, from a proven liar and hypocrite."

You stated that anyone who prefers Scotland to be 'ruled by a foreign country' is a quisling.

92% of the electorate did not vote SNP at the Euros - hence they either actively support the union or they are happy enough with the status quo that they don't vote SNP.

In other words in your eyes they are 'quislings'.

And you still haven't addressed my question about the Scottish Government - are they 'quislings' for 'collaborating' by forming a government in a UK government-authorised parliament?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/07/2009 11:59:15
"Last night Labour, which has picked Willie Bains as its candidate, called the selection a "stitch-up" and pointed out that Mr Kerr had no local credentials."

And what the foock business is this of Labour?

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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 12:00:14
#240

Have you told David Kerr?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:02:09
243 As I don't think the BBC is edited by Labour slaves why would I tell him a falsehood?

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Sedov,

17/07/2009 12:03:03
#242 ..boy Fair point - but I think it is of general interest to the tax payers of glasgow NE - what is Kerr's local credentials -can you enlighten us?
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John S,

17/07/2009 12:04:56
#241
2003 Scottish Parliament elections: 17.1% of the total electorate voted Scottish Labour, therefore 82.9% of the total electorate did not want Scottish Labour to form the Scottish Government.
Scottish Labour received 34.6% of the votes cast therefore 65.4% who voted did not want a Scottish Labour Scottish Government ?

2005 UK general election: 22% of the total electorate voted Labour therefore 78% of the total UK electorate did not want a Labour Government ?
Labour received 35.3% of the votes cast therefore 64.7% who voted did not want a Labour Government ?
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 12:05:14
#232

"With all due respect I think you must lack political savvy to think that any Party would inflict this stooshie on themselves."

If a party has a choice between: (1) quickly removing one of their candidates before the campaign has begun or (2) having his financial problems focused on for 4 months as part of the opposition's by-election campaign

It is pretty obvious they would choose the former.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 12:07:19
#244

Obviously your opinion means that you are a traitorous muppet Nazi, in that case, and a quisling, to boot.

The stench from your London Millbank multi-loggon troll comments is unbearable. You are not Scottish, and you hate Scotland, you traitor.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 12:07:35
think the SNP must be rattled!
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:08:21
226
You did it again !

Are you sure you are not the Straw man?

If you truly believe what you say then you have to be a total muppet to not want to repeat it I would have thought.
Changing it would be folly indeed.
Just because you do not agree with moi does not make me wrong any more than it makes you right!
You can insult people as much as you like,it does not count when it comes from you.
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 12:09:38
243 The Fake Tin Man

Your postings today, being such a contrast to your usual postings, leads me to believe that some-one has borrowed your moniker to post such bilious comments. It is probably some-one with previous experience of posting as, ostensibly, two different individuals.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:09:53
247 You are doing some shape-shifting here. You have alleged that this entire fiasco was self inflicted by the SNP because of a power struggle (that no one else seems to know about). Not, as I maintain, that the damage was done by 2 Sunday Herald journalists.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 12:11:21
#250 morris,edinburgh

You foul, disgusting Nazi quisling traitor creep. Your pathetic comment reeks of the putrid decay of the revolting troll that you are, muppet.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 12:11:59
#233

"The Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005 does indeed offer a definition of the word bankrupt but one which only holds water in relation to the act it's self, i.e. not one which has any validity in any other context."

Yes and its the Trustee and Investment (Scotland) Act 2005 that this issue is about - because Dorman was a charity trustee and, in terms of the Act, an 'undischarged bankrupt'.

The definition of 'undischarged bankrupt' under the above Act may not have any validity in any other context but thats irrelevant - its under the above Act that the charity trustee issue is addressed.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:13:22
251 I think Tin Man is trying to make a point about what he sees as un-necessarily aggressive posting. Quislings, traitors etc. He conveniently misses out the Nazi and fascist jibes that non aggessive nationalist supporters have to put up with, but there you go.

Tin Man the BBC is run by BBC types. They manage to annoy everyone of every political persuasion usually at the same time.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 12:13:37
Yeah1 - re #223

Scrolling further down the page, I see you have come to a similar conclusion.
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 12:14:53
#251 Brownlie

I don't see any point to 'debate' with posters who come on these threads to insult people they haven't even met. We may as well cut to the chase. Your silence makes complicit, brownlie.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 12:15:01
#254 Yeah1

Or scrolling back up again even.
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Rednose Harry,

Wallasey 17/07/2009 12:15:11
#57,#58
Is this confirmation that the cobstituency in question is part of what certain southern based newspapers refer to as Gordon Brown's "client state"?
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:15:20
253 As an outsider what do you think of the human race?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 12:16:38
222 The Tin Man

“Still havering, Nazi boy?”

Ah, the unionistas losing the plot again!

Apparently to be in favour of Independence equates to being a “Nazi” according to them.

Really strange people these unionistas.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 12:19:45
Observer # 186

You are talking to yourself.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 12:20:14
#189 Electric Hermit

"After the lie, the squirming."

Yes you know all about squirming don't you? You must have been squirming like mad when I asked for proof to back up your pathetic allegation that I had compared the SNP and the Scottish people to nazis.

Did you think you could just make up lies and not be asked for evidence to back them up?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 12:20:38
Yet another thread ruined by the moronic unionist posters on this site.

The tactics are always the same when they are losing the debate.
Resort to drivel, inane insults and name calling like small children.

No wonder the SNP are going from strength to strength!!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:21:12
263 A mistake I quickly corrected.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 12:22:24
#261

"Apparently to be in favour of Independence equates to being a “Nazi” according to them."

Yes that is a very strange attitude to take.

I'm sure you will agree that people like 'Richard' are equally strange when they accuse others of being 'quislings' or 'traitors' simply because they aren't in favour of independence, or don't care enough about it to vote SNP?
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 12:22:41
257 The Tin Man

Complicit in what, pray?
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John S,

17/07/2009 12:24:19
Just a coincidence ?
Glenrothes by-election - Lindsay Roy, the head teacher at Brown's old school
Roy, a friend of the prime minister for 18 years ......denied speculation that Brown had personally asked him to stand. He indicated, however, that the prime minister had indirectly urged him to volunteer.
Labour sources said today that Roy had addressed staff at the school yesterday (27 August) to tell them he expected to be nominated for the seat.(at next Monday night's selection meeting -1 Sept):28 August 2008
Glasgow East by-election - Margaret Curran MSP was nr 5 choice of Gordon Brown MP.
Iain Gray MSP - Seen by many as Gordon Brown's favourite for the position.14 September 2008
Wendy Alexander - a close ally of Gordon Brown.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 12:24:21
#265

"The tactics are always the same when they are losing the debate.
Resort to drivel, inane insults and name calling like small children."

Yes its only 'unionists' who resort to such tactics isn't it?

SNP supporters would never resort to 'inane insults' such as 'quisling', 'traitor' or 'fcukwit' would they?
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 12:28:01
Angus og of The Isles # 198

Angus og of The Isles why don't you have the testicles to post on here using your proper name, have you the guts?

Thought not.


Do YOU always answer your own questions, before you have even posted them?

Thought so...
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 12:31:15
James Dornan must be hacked off to hear that he is bankrupt when he is not. He should sue the butt of anybody that says he is including the Scotsman.
The SNP should fund his case, or, maybe Salmond could put it on his Westminster expenses.
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 12:32:01
272 The Tin Man

You left out my personal favourite - "swivel-eyed".
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 12:33:42
#271

Mr Tartan Bond is a really stupid name. I hope you got bullied in the playground for that one, you gutless muppet.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 12:34:08
Some good news from the Telegraph. Looks like Comrade Broon has so impoverished the country that the replacement for Trident has been put on hold!!

No doubt Jacqui Baillie will be haranging Comrade Broon to save the 20,000+ jobs she claims will go if the SNP government refuse to grant planning permission!!!


"Gordon Brown has deferred the design work for replacing Britain's Trident nuclear deterrent until after the next election, it emerged yesterday"
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The Tin Man,

17/07/2009 12:34:32
#274

You can't have 'swivel-eyed' with out 'drooling' as well.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:35:48
273 There is a difference between impachment for war crimes and defamation of character. One is eligible to be viewed as a legitimate expense, one is not. Defamation suits generally need to be paid for by the person who has been defamed. The Scotsman seem to be counting on the fact that Mr Dornan is a working class man, with a well publicised lack of access to the millions that many other politicians have squirrelled away.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 12:36:12
Tin man,

Aye, Brownlie's right. When you insult me for telling the truth I demand 'swivel-eyed' be included.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:37:37
277 Don't forget the flaring nostrils and spittle flecked, you need to get spittle flecked in too.
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 12:41:31
277
The Tin Man,

Not to mention quisling and nazi
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 12:43:45
#282

What????
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DialMforMurdoX,

17/07/2009 12:43:45
Ah as predicted at #3 the thread defines the real meaning of meltdown....

#67 & 271 TartanBond, why don't you post under your real name? Your dribbling views on AMW have been noted, to suggest that he is a paedophile, as you do in post #67 certainly suggests more about you than decent society needs to know.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 12:47:34
The Tin Man # 275

I hope you don't get bullied when you go back to school after the holidays: not long now.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:49:38
285 Congragulations! You have won a prize for the most stupid post made so far - and in the face of some very stiff competition.

Well done.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 12:51:50
#285

Are you drunk????
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 12:51:58
DialMforMurdoX # 284

I didn't use the word paedophile, it was Brownlie and you, which suggests that know more about AMW, the Creep From Leith, than I do.
His attack on David Maddox suggests an unbalanced mind: capable of anything, as you and Brownlie appear to know.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 12:59:32
292 So what made you choose Hitler ? You could have chosen Stalin. Or Gordon Brown. What made you pick on Adolf as your inaccurate comparator ?
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 13:00:56
#291

"People who don't want Scotland to have it's inalienable right political independence and wish to maintain political and economic rule of Scotland from a foreign Capital city"

Richard, 2 questions for you:

Are such people 'quislings'?

If so, and if Scotland is ruled politically by a foreign country, doesn't that make anyone who assists with that rule also a 'quisling' for 'collaborating' with that rule? In other words the Scottish Government?
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 13:02:51
213
The Tin Man

"You stupid, brain-dead idiot. You have to be a real muppet to spew out the same vile rubbish every day of your useless pathetic life."

And so The Tin Man achieves a new pinnacle of reasoned, objective analysis.

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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 13:03:45
#294 Observer,

I think ENP is a BNP troll.

BEST IGNORE HIM/IT.
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John S,

17/07/2009 13:06:53
#292 ENP
Charles Clarke attack on Brown 'the deluded control freak'11 Sep 2006
Eurounion.Gordon Brown is well known as a control freak. May 2007
Money Week.Mr Brown’s a control freak. He hates risk. Oct 08, 2007
Clare Short, "Gordon Brown and I worked closely with each other for a long time and he has always been a control freak and a spinner,",July 11 2008
Mr Darling has twice threatened to quit over “control freak” Mr Brown’s tinkering.July 11,2008
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 13:09:33
297 Yes you are right.

Oh well this has been fun but I'm off.

I think it's clear that when nationalist posters refrain from dubbing people quislings and traitors, it's quite clear where the viciousness and ad hominem attack comes from.

That's just a wee hint.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 13:12:52
#299 Aye I'm off too.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 13:14:12
#299

"I think it's clear that when nationalist posters refrain from dubbing people quislings and traitors, it's quite clear where the viciousness and ad hominem attack comes from."

So you suspect people like 'Richard' and 'Cormacksdad' are actually fakers pretending to be SNP supporters in order to try and show them in a bad light, with their constant 'quisling' accusations?
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Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 13:15:10
245
Sedov

"...what is Kerr's local credentials..."

Why would he need "local credentials", whatever they are? The notion that only someone who is born and bred in a certain location might be capable of fulfilling the role of MP is plainly ludicrous.

Many things might help qualify a person as an MP - knowledge of the law; good communications skills etc. - but it is hard to see what relevance place of birth might have.

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TWC,

exLabour 17/07/2009 13:16:59
Just don't vote Labour, everything else is a bonus.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 13:18:54
#302

"Why would he need "local credentials", whatever they are? The notion that only someone who is born and bred in a certain location might be capable of fulfilling the role of MP is plainly ludicrous."

Yes quite right, which is why its strange that some people here are attempting to 'smear' the labour candidate by suggesting that he lives in London when he actually only commutes there 3 days a week.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 13:21:34
#304

"Yes but a qualified one"

So the SNP Government are 'quislings' and 'collaborators', albeit in a 'qualified' manner?

Now I know you are fake, no real SNP supporter would be stupid enough to call his own party 'quislings' for engaging in the democratic process...
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JCA REID,

Annan 17/07/2009 13:22:40
Why all the delay over this By-Election in Glasgow?
PM G. Brown was quick off the mark last time one was needed in that city. Also there is a By-Election in Norwich NEXT Thursday because of the Labour MP resigning & this happened two weeks after speaker Michael Martin resigned.
Last week it was reported that the Labour luvvy Helen Liddell was stepping down as Commissioner to Australia. Just watch her be a shoe-in somewhere in Public Life putting a "Labour" perspective on things. You read it here first.
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 13:25:59
301
Yeah1,

So you suspect people like 'Richard' and 'Cormacksdad' are actually fakers pretending to be SNP supporters in order to try and show them in a bad light, with their constant 'quisling' accusations?

Sorry Yeah1, when did I EVER call anyone a quisling?
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Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 13:30:59
ENP, you sound like my kind of person! I have a friend that lives in Wiltshire who is also ENP supporting! I'm going to ask her to join us on the Scotsman website, if thats ok? She just moved there from Stockton! LOL!
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 13:39:56
311
Good afternoon brownlie.If he was here to defend himself, Spook would be treating TB to a new orifice, from which he could talk sense.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 13:40:44
#310

"Sorry Yeah1, when did I EVER call anyone a quisling?"

Yesterday I said to you: 'I'm surprised you don't appear to be critising 'Richard' as 'infantile' or 'petty and childish' when he calls people 'fuckwit' and 'quisling'?'

Your answer was: 'I agree with Richard!'

You agree with the use of the word quisling, which makes you just as bad.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 13:40:57
brownlie # 311

I don't have any difficulty spelling any word as I do have a spellchecker on my machine. If that should fail I have a "Concise Oxford English Dictionary."

You made the connection, it is not mandatory to think the worst of someone. When someone gratuitously uses the "c" word to describe another person it is the circumstances of that usage that leads me to believe that the person using it is unbalanced. If you can vouch for AMW then I am happy to accept your assurances, but, his online postings speak for themselves.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 13:42:54
273

I knew if I waited long enough you would say something I could partly agree with.

Today is the day.

Not only would Councillor Dornan win his case and not be bankrupt anyway,he would be quids in presumably from damages awarded to him.

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GG,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 13:45:00
The virtual battle for Glasgow North East is over. See who won and lost here:

http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/Labour-Loses-Glasgow-North-East-t16887.html
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 13:51:42
ENP - excellent! I agree, more the merrier! She will be hear soon, and will probably bring her mum and sisters along as well. Some of them are remarkably stupid and obnoxious, but they are all ENP as well! LOL!
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 13:52:54
315
Yeah1,

"Your answer was: 'I agree with Richard!"

This is a far cry from your assertion that:

"with their constant 'quisling' accusations?"

Surely for a man who's pathological eye for detail is known to all can see that this doesn't stand? Just because I agree with someone else's opinion is no reason assert that I am constantly accusing others of anything.

Get yer facts straight before you start spewing your bile. I prefer truthful bile.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 13:56:10
319 Its in Wiltshire, they live in Swindon, have a pet goat, look after their brain-injured racist auntie Lia in Stockton on Tees (its a horrible little place, racked with poverty and BNP supporting racists, but they love their old Aunt!) LOL!
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 14:00:47
Yeah1

In fact this is what you poated yesterday......

Sorry but I don't like being accused of saying something I didn't.

Electric Hermit stated that I had compared the SNP and the Scottish people to nazis - both of which are completely untrue and complete lies.

I asked him to either provide evidence of such, or to apologise - he refused to do either.

Personally I don't like liars and I don't like being the subject of completely false allegations.

Soooooooooo will you now apologise????
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 17/07/2009 14:02:36
Freedom for Scotland!
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Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 17/07/2009 14:04:20
328

"pretentious Gaelic nonsense"

Smashing! ;-)
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Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 14:05:55
325 ENP, sorry, no, I am not obnoxious at all! LOL! My racist old auntie Lia in Stockton is though! In fact, her WHOLE blood family are (they are the ones who will be joining us).

So, what is it that brings a new face, like yours, to this website, ENP in Wiltshire? Do you love Scotland so much you have to read up about it every day?

I know I do, but I am jealous of their excellent, free, NHS. If only Auntie Lia had had that, she wouldn't have to shell out a fortune on anti-dribble drugs.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 14:06:36
315
The issue is surely not whether one accuses one of being a quisling (or anything for that matter) ,but whether the accusation is justifiable or not, and has any basis in fact.

If someone knowingly acts against the interests of ones own kind, in order to gain for himself,or what he perceives to be for himself,then he is rightly accused of being a "Quisling".
Of course if he genuinly believes what he is doing and saying ,then he is not a quisling,but he could still be guilty of the far lesser "crime"of being a numpty.
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TWC,

exLabour 17/07/2009 14:09:34
311 brownlie

Why did you call him Peter?

Is he a researcher?
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 14:11:50
331
morris,

I agree. The accusation in this case is not justifiable!
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 14:13:50
332
Richard,

Classic double standards. Nothing worse than a self-righteous hypocrite.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 14:17:38
ENP - you should know not to trust wikipedia! LOL! Its actually a dump, very depressed area (many of the people are! Norton Rd is very busy!) and sadly lots of small minded racists.
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Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 17/07/2009 14:20:16
338 Boudiccas Henchman

Is it possible to have "big minded racists"?
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 14:22:47
#313

"I didn't say they (the S.N.P.)were "'quislings' for engaging in the democratic process" that is a blatant misrepresentation and you know it."

You said that the SNP were 'qualified' quislings for forming the government in a parliament which you seem to think is politically controlled by a foreign country.

So yes, you did call them that.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 14:23:38
325 ENP

The Hootsmon is a well-respected quality journal, well-renowned for its objectivity and high journalistic standards.

It order to appear to have any credibility on here, you must realise
that you should write: “obnoxious individuals “who think“…….” as opposed to “that think”.

Also “different opinion than them” is asinine.

It should read: “a differing opinion “from………” “ and then specify from whom this opinion may differ from.

I guess that you are possibly a Hootsmon journo.

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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 14:24:36
Cormacksdad:

Okay let me re-phrase my original statement:

"So you suspect people like 'Richard' and 'Cormacksdad' are actually fakers pretending to be SNP supporters in order to try and show them in a bad light, with their constant 'quisling' accusations and agreement with those accusations respectively?"

Happy now?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 14:26:03
328 Cedric Kessler, (Rufus)


Why do you think that “Bully Wee” is Gaelic?

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Boudiccas Henchman,

hunstanton 17/07/2009 14:27:12
#339 - Yes, true! The small minded racist that I know of is so dumb she thinks if she shuts her eyes, other people can't see her! But, that is partly because of a car crash that messed with her connections..

ENP - So sorry, I thought it was a political point of view! I was only being friends, as you are from "Wiltshire" and I am from Hunstanton, but with friends in Wiltshire and Stockton. What a coincidence though!

My friend in Stockton has the same letters for her name! How she'd laugh!
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 14:27:45
#332

"Yeah1 did accuse some of the S.N.P. being Nazi sympathisers though."

Where on earth did I accuse some of the SNP as being 'nazi sympathisers'?

Please provide me with evidence such a statement?

Are you another 'Electric Hermit' - making up completely false lies about me and then failing to come up with any proof to back up your allegations?
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 14:32:29
343
Yeah1,

Good try! But I think that the majority of posters on this site will read the above and come to the same conclusion as myself. You employ double standards. You expect apologies from others to actual or perceived slights. When you yourself will not apologise for, yet again, not getting your facts right! Come on mate, your credibility as an educated, erudite interlocutor is at stake.
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 14:33:24
346 Yeah1

I note that you did not comment on my posting at 153. In view of the fact that you are demanding apologies from others perhaps you would like to clear the air in your own case?
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 14:33:57
#331

"The issue is surely not whether one accuses one of being a quisling (or anything for that matter) ,but whether the accusation is justifiable or not, and has any basis in fact."

And in this case, and as any of the few sensible SNP posters on here such as 'Miss H' and 'Observer' acknowledge - the use of 'quisling', 'traitor' or 'collaborator' is quite clearly not justifiable.

The SNP 'supporters' on here who use terms such as those above are either bigoted, insane, or fakers pretending to be SNP in order to discredit them.

No serious SNP supporters, nor the party themselves, would condone the use of such terms - anyone using them is an embarassment to the party.
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hoblar,

17/07/2009 14:34:12
The anti SNP article writer hopes, with the very few unionists (like the 'new' one who compares the First Minister of Scotland to the '40's moustached German leader with a side-shed) to help the labour party and their rather politically unattractive candidate.

When the actual by election date is SET (The REAL story is that it has not been set because Labour are milking it leaving the constituency in limbo-land) I have offered my own humble services to help.....inspired by the Scotsman and their inexplicable bias against the SNP.

Thanks Scotsman, you made me see the light, that is two elections (you inspired me to ensure I helped during the Euro elections as well) since you are so anti SNP it is only fair that I expand my horizons rather than only campaigning locally.

hail to maddox, the guy who inspired SNP supporters as well as ensuring by his mickey mouse articles that more of our ranks swell!
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 14:38:53
#347

"You employ double standards. You expect apologies from others to actual or perceived slights. When you yourself will not apologise for, yet again, not getting your facts right!"

If I get something wrong I apologise for it.

I generally only use facts if I know them to be actual facts, and I only accuse others of being something, or doing something, if I have proof to back up those accusations.

Unfortunately there are those like 'Electric Hermit' and 'Richard' who do not employ such rigorous standards - they seem to believe it is acceptable to make up completely false allegations about people and then comprehensively fail to back up those allegations with facts.
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hoblar,

17/07/2009 14:39:14
Shut up.

You troll types ignore the fact that labour are too scared to set a date for this by election.

Your pseudo offended sensibilities at being called a name by somebody as anon as you, while name calling yourself is actually boring as firk.

I wish the idiots that constantly respond to you, asking for answers to your silly comparisons of the SNP to fascists while ignoring their opposition to nukes, ID cards (totally fascist state material and utterly useless) the long detentions without trial etc that labour excel at.

labour are a right of centre party, the tories in a red dress, and if you come smart on here, even though it is only to spoil and lead on the less bright, you are likely to get some of it back.

So stop greeting and continue your trolling you effort of a human being.

ta

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Grahamski,

17/07/2009 14:40:18
342



There you were in all your pompous glory; correcting grammar and generally acting like a smug know-it-all.

Then what happens?

"It order to appear to have any credibility..."

It order?

You only go and spoil it all by doing something stupid - priceless, or should that be asinine...


arf arf arf
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 14:41:19
brownlie # 326

I have seen his posts and it is my opinion that he is a foul, ego tripping, odious oick. He hasn't an original thought in his head and sees it as his job to be as rude as possible here, given the strictures.

It wouldn't have mattered who had gone to that part of the world, I would still have had a little dig on that basis. It is you who thinks so much of the Creep From Leith that you felt the need to escalate this by using the word "Paedophile," in connection to him.
The thought is in your mind. Mine too, now!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/07/2009 14:46:06
245 sedov

"#242 ..boy Fair point - but I think it is of general interest to the tax payers of glasgow NE - what is Kerr's local credentials -can you enlighten us?"

I don't get the connection. Please expand.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 14:46:59
Oh dearie me, my new friend ENP seems to have gone for the moment. And she seemed so bright and sparkly.
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Yeah1,

17/07/2009 14:47:31
#353

"Unionism is the short answer. Not the people, not the English it is Unionism that an S.N.P. government has to "collaborate" with."

So the SNP government are collaborators?

Your warped viewpoint gets more ridiculous with everything you say. It is abundantly clear now that you are not a real SNP supporter, but are a faker pretending to be SNP in order to either discredit them or as a joke.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 14:48:31
354 Grahamski,

Maybe I really should buy a new nuclear keyboard as this windmill-powered one is less receptive to left-handed scribers,

On the other hand, if we have a greater proliferation of nuclear power, I may well end up with three hands.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 14:49:08
..still, when I tell my friend in Stockton that someone has the same initials as her, she will probably wet herself laughing (she lost that function years ago), and then want to join in with her daughters of the same initials as well! This could be a big, fun party!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 17/07/2009 14:50:29
359

I might have known - you are sinister!
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 17/07/2009 14:54:37
292 ENP

You are truly repulsive.
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 14:55:27
351
Yeah1,

You are pathetic.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 14:57:11
361 Grahamski

Quite so.


Something I share with Obama, Pele, Eusabio and Michelangelo to name but a few.
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 14:57:32
361, 362, 363

I think this now concludes this thread?
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 14:58:38
362 - oi! She is my friend and i won't have anyone suggest that she is just an abusive borderline racist troll, because it is not true! LOL!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 17/07/2009 15:03:04
364
Indeed.
I take it you have matching dish towels?
One tells us that Scots invented everything.
The other glorifies the corrie-fisters amongst us....my son is one, that kind of evens up your list...
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 15:05:59
367 Two Jobs Eck


I trust that the SNP can count upon your vote at the next election.

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 17/07/2009 15:07:57
365
Don't involve me in your irrelevant little contretemps....
and yes I know, Bully boy, irrelevant and little should be redundant but hey, it's language not mathematics.....
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 17/07/2009 15:09:06
real life intrudes....laters.
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Andrew Morton,

Berkshire 17/07/2009 15:17:22
374

Please use protection then...... ;-)
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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 15:18:28
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Grahamski,

Bully Boy?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 15:19:05
369 Grahamski


I’m afraid that we own no such dish towels fitting that description.

I believe that we may have one though bought whilst visiting the William Shakespeare tourist trail in Stratford -upon-Avon.


Nice place as I recall, I recommend it.

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Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 17/07/2009 15:20:04
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Richard,

Doesn't matter what proof you have mate. You wont get through!
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

Dear Green Place 17/07/2009 15:21:31
Let Glasgow Flourish!!!
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 15:23:03
Richard, 378

You DONT have proof.
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Boudiccas Henchman,

17/07/2009 15:23:19
yes - let it flourish! stop pumping money into it, put concrete barriers on the M8 and let it go to seed!
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 15:25:30
367 What a pity you did not actually say anything above the level of critcism ,which even the village idiot can do.

If you have something positive to offer please feel free.
All you achieve so far is tell us what level you are on and it sounds like parrot fashion repetition.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 15:27:57
385 Your confusing Richard with Tony Blair I think.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 15:33:20
383 Let Glasgow Flourish


There's the tree that never grew,
There's the bird that never flew,
There's the fish that never swam,
There's the bell that never rang.



Such is the legacy of generations of Labour control.

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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 15:37:13
brownlie # 373

No point in calling me Peter, John. Peter is not my name.

I don't have any motive. You are the one who is keeping worrying at this. If you had not decided to respond to my post hours ago it would have been forgotten long ago. As it is you have created a perception in peoples minds where none existed before.
Everyone now believes that James Dornan is bankrupt and that you are protesting to much on behalf of the Creep From Leith. I am sure that he will be delighted that you are denying that he is Paedophile.
Is that how you spell it?
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brownlie,

17/07/2009 15:39:06
212 Yeah1

"What is even worse is that you refused to be a man and admit you lied and apologise."

Quite apart from being more than a tad sexist, how appropriate to your good self.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 15:41:14
389 Bully Wee, eloquent and to the point.

391 Richard, I had this with Yeah1 yesterday, good luck trying to get an answer.

I asked for how many of the SNP of 1942 were signed up as objectors to the war, still waiting for an answer.

You probably noticed that the thread gets hijacked, anything to divert attention away from Labour's disgraceful, undemocratic, feartie to hold the by-election.

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brownlie,

17/07/2009 15:42:36
314 Conan

Greetings, Conan, sorry I didn't notice your post before as I was distracted by Paisley Pete's postings. Quite agree.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 15:47:52
392 From the school of tell a lie often enough and folk will believe it?

Is this what passes for Labour party literature?

He is not bankrupt, otherwise he couldn't hold public office.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 15:55:43
Tormod # 397

Calling people Quislings and traitors is a lie, long perpetrated by the SNP.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 15:57:24
Have I missed any announcements on the date of the by-election while I've been away???????

I thought New Labour Sleaze and Corruption would be rushing to take advantage of the SNP's disarray????????

It might be worth that fool, who masquerades as a journalist, having a word with his chums at Sleaze HQ???

You never know Maddox, there might be an honour in it for you??
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 16:04:06
399 You were writing about James Dornan and his "bankruptcy".

So were did the two things you were writing about spring from.

Were talking about how the press have used the word bankruptcy when the PTD is not, why was that?
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 16:05:52
Angus og of The Isles # 396

You are right up yourself if you think I care who you are.
Calling me Maddox is as much use as me calling you Salmond.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 16:16:21
400 Labour are feart, I think they have given up on Norwich and are trying to dilute the pain.

Did you see Macavity in the Select committe yesterday?

Talking about not answering a simple question, apparently we don't need more troops and the 60% increase in helicopters is about 14 due to be in theatre by 2011?

The man is walking, lying, complete and utter dunderheid of the first and third orders.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 16:19:18
400 Cheers also for the link to petition Bliar not to be EU presidente.

Guido has a great clip of William Hague getting everybody in stiches over it.

http://order-order.com/2009/07/16/president-blair/
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DialMforMurdoX,

17/07/2009 16:24:50
#290 I didn't say you did, I suggest you did due to the reference you left at post

("Advanced Media Watch" is currently on The Gary Glitter Tribute Trail around south east Asia.)
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 16:31:29
407 Sorry did you say your name was Two jobbies?


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Obanite,

17/07/2009 16:34:55
#407 - jolly good, jolly good! Lovely afternoon featuring a wee bit of baiting that notoriously dumb racist, kimba, then a bit of gobledegook, before reading your most munificent post.

Toodle pip!
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DialMforMurdoX,

17/07/2009 16:37:32
#407

Salmond and Gray only 45% apart.

Labour and the Tories only a baw hair apart

Twojobseck and sanity an ocean apart

BNP and Labour only 9% apart.

Labour and Socialism 99% apart

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Obanite,

17/07/2009 16:40:52
twojobbies? wha wha whas like us, eh, what?

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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 16:44:55
#404 Tormod,

Just watched the William Hague clip - superb!!!!!

If it wasn't such a scary thought!!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 17/07/2009 16:49:42
414 Indeed Jimmy as William Hagues says it almost worth it just to see Brownie greeting and torn faced.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 16:52:36
Richard # 406

You have never had it so good!

"an ageing and stagnant populous" You are obviously potty, what would you suggest the SNP did with the old?
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go boil ur heid,

17/07/2009 17:04:57
if the postie strikes not over by election time, just imagine how knackered the lie-bour blackshirts will be running around the wards with the postal ballot letters.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

17/07/2009 17:10:27
#416,

Excellent observation!!

Mind you the unions still pay for New Labour Sleaze even when Comrade Broon & Co are giving them a kicking!
so I'm sure they would suspend any industrial action for the duration of the election rigging!!
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hoblar,

17/07/2009 18:37:54
Stop greeting about the people of England you pathetic pindividual, no one in Scotland votes SNP because they don't like England. I have an English brother and sister, and they both vote SNP, and there are politicians in the SNP, including MSP's who are English.

So rid yourself of the chip, if someone says something to you, it ios probably because your ill advised moniker sounds like the bnp, and you will say it is your boyfriend's initials, but basically you are greeting like a big girl's blouse on here, just like the very few unionists.

Why can't you think for yourself?

Why can't England get an English based party instead of slagging off Scotland in their jealousy over the establishment of the SNP?

They are big enough to look after themselves, and the supporters of the SNp target British "BRITISH' nationalism, if England did the same then you would have a bona fide English political party rather than the non choice between the dreaded labour and equally dreaded tory bores.
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morris,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 18:51:17
421

I take some comfort when the Unionists play the race card again and again. Ive met so many English members of the SNP Ive lost count,and I know a few Asians and even a Frenchman !Ive met numerpous nationalities and they joined of their own free will as a matter of some urgency !

Of course one thing I have learned is that whenever Kabour accuse the SNP of anything its usually an attempt to deflect blame away from the real culprit ,the Labour party.


It shows thatall is as we suspected
It's all they have left to play!
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:16:14
morris, 422

SNP grand folly is that they have not yet made a credible case for an independent Scotland.

Indies - like you - rant and rave about Labour and make various quips (usually erroneous) about like as part of the Union.

It's lies, myths, fallacies, half truths, Irn Bru, tatty scones, Embra rock and Braveheart DVDs - but that disnae compel people with brains to vote for them.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:24:51
* life
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:29:20
423 What a very stupid post. I don't believe you come from Glasgow at all. So you are yet another troll. I do wish they would come up with some clever ones from time to time. Just for a bit of variety.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:32:44
Observer, 425:

I'm from Kirkintilloch.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 19:36:07
Kirkintilloch was a "dry town" for much of its recent history, with the sale of alcohol on public premises banned from 1923 until 1967. The prohibition on the sale of alcohol had long been demanded by the Liberal Party and the temperance movement, both of which had a strong influence in the town in the early part of the 20th Century, largely due to the perceived negative effects of alcohol on the town's inhabitants.

I see what they mean.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:37:03
Conan, 427:

I was born in 1960.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 19:39:33
430
An eight year old alkie is a terrible thing to behold.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:39:57
Richard, 429

like others before you, you attempt to make the indie case by attacking the Union.

Are you incapable of making a positive case for an independent Scotland?

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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:40:44
Conan, 432

You have my sympathy, Sir.

Perhaps the AA could help you?

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 19:41:08
#23 Let Glasgow Flourish

Not a lot of point in trying to compel brainy people to vote SNP...

...A bit like locking the stable door after the horse has bolted.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:41:18
430 So yer old enough to know better. Kirky eh ? Spam Valley.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 19:42:04
434
Do they have a branch in Kirkintilloch?
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:43:10
Observer, 436

I can see your unfamiliar with my home town.

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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:43:21
* you're
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:44:34
438 Are you a ganster then ? A lot of gangsters moved to Kirky. Perhaps I should be more nice to you.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:44:43
Conan, 437

I'm not in a position to give you any additional advice with your problem, son. Try google.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:45:02
*gangster
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 19:45:44
I thought it was Kilsyth that was the dry town in that general neck of the woods.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:46:17
Observer, 440:

OMG...what a vivid imagination you have.

Still....I guess it's a rather innovative distraction from the prospect of trying to make a positive case for an independent Scotland.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 19:47:41
438
Kirkintilloch Learning Centre is located on Southbank Road; are you posting from there?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:49:32
444 He he he. So you're not a gangster then. Never mind hang around Kirky and you never know your luck.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 19:49:34
438
And if you were born in 1960, I'm a wee bitty older than you. Son.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:49:45
Conan, 445

Does your alcohol problem compel you to seek the location of those who post here?

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hoblar,

17/07/2009 19:50:03

"like others before you, you attempt to make the indie case by attacking the Union.

Are you incapable of making a positive case for an independent Scotland? "

Actually it is the complete opposite.

Even the most cursory glance at the headlines in the online section of this very newspaper demonstrate that slagging off the SNP is considered to be a good way to promote the union, in spite of the fact that the unionist parties vote has declined while the SNP vote has risen considerably.

Trying to persuade the diehard misinformed unionist types, few as they are, of the benefits of Independence is a waste of time.

Why bother when so many in Scotland have seen sense, particularly as they know that they can back the SNP and see them gain office, something that in the past might have allowed the dreaded tories in by the back door.

Now that new labour are seen to be the tories in a red skirt that they are, the SNP and their defence of the Scottish interest is obvious to most Scots, hence the enormous difference between Alex salmond and the branch leader in Scotland for labour UK Ian gray.

Brown hasn't even got a look in, not trusted even by his own party.

Want a case for Independence, just google the comments of the rather overweight lord (unelected by any vote) who presided over the review of the barnet formula and what he said about Scotland.

Then look at what John swinney replied, "scrap barnet and then let all taxes raised in Scotland remain here and be spent here.

Having some stitch up cod relationship within the union, where this very biased Lord basically reviewed the formula but stated that we are subsidy junkies is not on.

Especially when you consider that London gets more per head than the rest of the UK according to UK Government figures, then it is Northern ireland, and then Scotland.

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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:50:48
Conan, 447,

YOU claimed to be an 8 year old alcoholic, son.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:51:38
What would be more interesting is if someone ever actually made a positive case for staying in the union. Haven't heard one yet. Oh well.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 19:54:19
451
Ah LGF, when did I ever claim that?

Son.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

17/07/2009 19:54:43
448 Let Glasgow Flourish,


Ah from Kirky are you?

How are the “Rabs” doing these days, and is Chico Spiers still involved with them?
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:55:21
Richard, 450

I see that in your own dull minded way you have made a rather crude start at thinking of a credible case for an independent Scotland.

I think the electorate are seeking a bit more than that though...

Why hasnt the SNP so far failed to publish a credible case for an independent Scotland?

Irn bru and tattie scones aint gonna suffice for intelligent voters!!!

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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:55:48
I bet he wishes he'd made up some place else to live.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 19:57:11
#452 Observer

I don't think there is one...if there was, I'm sure one of them would have mentioned it?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:57:21
455 I'm off for a while but don't burn down any building sites when I'm gone. Or have a word with your neighbours, there's a good chap.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:57:29
Dùn Èideann Bully Wee, 454

Yup, from Kirkie and I have no knowledge whatsoever of Rob Roy FC.....other than last time I passed Adamslie it did look rather dilapidated!

Try the Kirky Herald.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 19:58:30
457 That is the other thing that is sadly absent with them Colonel. Ciao the now.
424

Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 19:58:38
Observer, 458

Cheeeeeeeeeeeerio now, Mrs!
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:00:26
Observer, 452

I see you're at the same discredited tactic as the other indies.

You could attcak the Union all day long.....but you cannae make a credible case for an independent Scotland. I wonder why........
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 20:04:51
462
Oh dearie me LGF, we too can try to take the debate off at a tangent; your spelling sucks.How was your education in Kirky?
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:07:17
Conan, 463:

My spelling is impeccable, Sir, and the Kirkie part of my education was good at Primary and so so at Secondary.

428

Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:08:23
Richard, 464

Try an online dictionary.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 20:09:29
Yes #452...
...and while you are at it, try and make a acredible case for an Independant France, Sweden and New Zealand.

That should have you stumped.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:11:38
Col, 467

Careful, Sir....Conan has appointed himself as the spelling police here and there are errors in your post.

I think the booze troubles him....and he's only 8.
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Tartan Bond,

17/07/2009 20:12:26
The Col. of Monte Cristo # 467

Why are you trying to stump him, can't you answer HIS question?
What IS the case for Scottish independence?

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

17/07/2009 20:16:37
#470 Tartan Bond,

452 was Observer not the faux weegie from Kirkie.
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Conan the Librarian™,

17/07/2009 20:17:08
465
May I direct the Honourable Gentleman to his post at 462.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:17:11
Richard, 469

I'm sorry to learn of your problem.....and Conan is an 8 year old alcoholic.....I can see why you indie losers spend your time gurning endlessly here.
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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:18:14
Conan the self appointed spelling police, 472

Yes, Sir, you may.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 17/07/2009 20:18:30
470 Erm government for the people by the people, stuff like that.

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Let Glasgow Flourish,

17/07/2009 20:19:46
Richard, 474

Why is grass green?