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Published Date: 22 October 2008
JUSTICE secretary Kenny MacAskill was under mounting pressure last night to free the Lockerbie bomber, after it emerged that Britain's biggest mass-murderer was dying from cancer.

Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, who was convicted of the slaughter of 270 people by blowing up an airliner over the town almost 20 years ago, is understood to have been given weeks to live by doctors, after hospital tests confirmed he had "advanced stage" prostate cancer.

Prisoners thought to have less than three months to live in Scotland can apply for early release on compassionate grounds.

Such decisions rest with the justice secretary, who normally has to weigh up medical evidence and the likelihood of the inmate reoffending.

But in the case of Megrahi, the dilemma facing Mr MacAskill would be massive.

The Scottish Government would face a serious backlash if the minister granted early release and Megrahi survived for longer than anticipated. That backlash would be more severe if he lost his appeal – a move that, for many, would seal his guilt once and for all.

A Scottish Government source confirmed that the unprecedented scale of the crime in Scottish and, indeed, UK terms would have to be considered by the justice secretary.

Mr MacAskill is also facing the prospect of political pressure being brought to bear from the United States, where many families of the victims insist Megrahi should die behind bars.

Megrahi's lawyer, Tony Kelly, refused to comment on whether he would be pushing the Scottish Prison Service and the Scottish Government to release the 56-year-old Libyan agent from jail on compassionate grounds. But the families of British casualties called on ministers to release Megrahi if that – as seems likely – proves to be his wish.

Megrahi was convicted in 2001 of the Lockerbie bombing and was initially locked up in Barlinnie Prison in Glasgow, before being transferred to Greenock Prison three years ago.

He was taken under tight security from his prison cell to Inverclyde Royal Hospital in Greenock to undergo tests last month. It is believed he underwent a scan during an outpatient appointment, before being taken back to jail.

The Scotsman understands that two consultants' reports have been written on Megrahi's condition and that they both conclude the Libyan is likely to survive for "weeks rather than months".

Megrahi is awaiting his second appeal against his conviction, and it is expected to take place next year. Mr Kelly confirmed yesterday that his client wanted to continue his fight against the conviction.

He went on: "Unfortunately, the disease has spread to other parts of his body and is therefore at an advanced stage. Mr al-Megrahi asks that the privacy of his family is respected at this difficult time.

"He wishes me to make clear that the fight to overturn his wrongful conviction for the Lockerbie bombing will go on. We on his legal team are continuing to prepare his appeal, which we hope will take place some time next year."

It is understood no application has so far been made by Megrahi's lawyers for compassionate release or transfer to Libya to finish his sentence.

But Tam Dalyell, the former Labour MP who is convinced of Megrahi's innocence, said Mr MacAskill faced an unprecedented decision on whether to release Megrahi, if such a request was lodged.

"I understand perfectly well the dilemma faced by anyone in the position of Kenny MacAskill," Mr Dalyell said. "I would say it is a huge dilemma. This is a completely new decision."

While any decision on early release would rest with the Scottish Government, the question of transferring Megrahi to Libya rests with both Holyrood and UK ministers.

Britain has yet to sign a prisoner-transfer agreement with Libya. A spokeswoman for the Ministry of Justice in London yesterday said: "The negotiation of international agreements is a matter for the UK government.

"The draft agreement makes clear that a prisoner cannot be transferred without the consent of both states. In the case of a prisoner detained in Scotland, the decision would be a matter for the Scottish Government."

It is understood that Jack Straw, the UK Justice Secretary, and Alex Salmond, the First Minister, have been kept informed of the situation.

Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora died in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, told The Scotsman last night that he believed Megrahi should be released. "Yes, I very much hope that that will happen," he said. "If that's what he wants, then I hope that's what he gets. But I think that, for medical reasons, it would probably be better for him to stay in Scotland than return to Libya."

Dr Swire, who is a spokesman for the UK Families Flight 103 group, also called for Megrahi's appeal to be speeded up.

He said: "I feel it is a very serious threat to his life and it would be a tragedy if he is to spend the rest of his life in a Scottish prison, particularly if he is not guilty of the crime of which he was found guilty. I'm not satisfied that the verdict against him is correct. It sounds to me like an unfolding human tragedy."

Jean Berkley, 78, from Northumberland, who lost her son Alistair, 29, in the bombing, said: "I don't want anything inhumane to happen to him. It may be in his best interests to stay in Scotland, where he will probably receive better medical treatment, but I don't think he should be left in prison. I don't feel vindictive towards him at all."

Mr Dalyell said he was "100 per cent convinced" that neither Megrahi nor the Libyan state was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing. "I believe he ought to be released to the bosom of his family," he said.

But Susan Cohen, 70, from New Jersey in the US, whose daughter Theo was killed in the bombing, reacted angrily to the possibility Megrahi would seek early release. "I don't give a damn about this," she said. "As far as I'm concerned, he should see out his time in prison. He should stay in prison – I've always said that. He should die in prison."

She also questioned the timing of the news about Megrahi's declining health. "I think he should be examined by UK and US doctors, and that information should be made public," Mrs Cohen said. "I find it very strange this is coming out now when they want to get on with this appeal. I don't trust the Libyans, and I don't trust the lawyers."



PROFILE

ABDELBASET Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi has consistently denied being responsible for the Lockerbie bombing in 1988.

The former Libyan Airlines security steward and Libyan intelligence agent was first indicted for the outrage in 1991 after a lengthy investigation by UK and US police forces. He was accused with compatriot Al Amin Khalifa Fhimah.

Megrahi, 56, had spent years on the FBI's "most wanted" list, with US detectives claiming his airline work was cover for a role with the Libyan Secret Service.

After the formal accusation, there followed years of diplomatic bargaining with Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi before the suspects were handed over for trial. Megrahi and Fhimah eventually faced a trial in 2000, conducted under Scottish law in the Netherlands. It was one of the most complex trials ever, involving 84 days of evidence from 230 witnesses, lasting nearly seven months and costing around £75 million.

Married Megrahi was watched by his then-teenage son and daughter, who were at the front of the public gallery, separated by a glass wall.

Judges were convinced by prosecutors that Megrahi bought clothes from a shop in Malta which were packed round the bomb before it was placed on board. He got 27 years and has faced a string of health problems in recent years.


BACKGROUND

A FIRST appeal by Megrahi against his conviction was rejected in March 2002.

His lawyers then applied to the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission (SCCRC) to re-examine his case.

He was given a fresh chance to clear his name in June last year, when the SCCRC referred his case back to appeal judges for a second time.

The review body said there were six grounds – some put forward by the defence, and others resulting from its own investigations – where it believed a miscarriage of justice may have occurred.

Last week, Megrahi won a legal victory in the latest stage of his bid to have his conviction overturned.

Judges at the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh ruled that the Libyan's appeal could have a wide-ranging focus, looking beyond the issues raised by the SCCRC, when it suggested he might have suffered a miscarriage of justice.

The SCCRC's grounds include the undermining of the prosecution star witness's credibility by evidence not disclosed by the Crown to the defence.






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  • Last Updated: 22 October 2008 1:09 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lockerbie
 
1

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 22/10/2008 00:49:58
Why do fall guys never make old age?
2

Daft Old Git,

22/10/2008 00:59:04
My heart bleeds for him
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 01:51:08


Maybe if "Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi" is not the "fall guy", one may say,.....

....."YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW."

Unfortunately, not quite true for soo many Deaths, and misery for the thousands involved.

Remember the Night (our time) so well, it was like yesterday, as we had relatives down there,

Quote from my ex that night,

"All the telephone lines are down"

What communication with mobile phones we had in these days was the same!

"My Mobile Says Blocked Call, Please try Later"

We were on the outside and it was terrifying, not even knowing why we could not make contact an what was happening, dread to think what it was like for the ones involved, at the time of the carnage.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 02:07:01


Not being funny or anything, when I read back my comment #5, it brought me tears.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 02:09:47




Real Men, are allowed to cry, :(




6

Edwin & Mahnaz Bollier, Mebo Ltd,

Zurich 22/10/2008 02:16:31

The rehablitation Libya's and its Official Mr.Abdelbaset Ali Al-Megrahi.
Please bring back, Mr. Al Megrahi, to its family immediately. Mr Al Megrahi, have nothing to do with the "Lockerbie-Tragedy"!

The political hostage and "Lockerbie victim 271"
Abdelbaset Al Megrahi, suffering since April 6th, 1999 until now
324,698,942 painful seconds, innocent in scottish prisons...

There are more and more accumulations of demonstrable evidence of proof falsifications that the Scottish Justice suppresses. How comes that the Scottish Justice does not resist the justified reproaches of Edwin Bollier (MEBO Ltd.) and ex-engineer Ulrich Lumpert (in his affidavit) in this crucial affair?
Reason: Because their allegations were developed on fundamental evidence (hardware) and the responsible persons behind the falsifications of this crucial evidence would be exposed!

More information on our webpage: www. lockerbie.ch
7

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 22/10/2008 03:05:14
A5
Charles Linskaill,
Edinburghdios

Dude,
u wrote:
"We were on the outside and it was terrifying, not even knowing why we could not make contact an what was happening, dread to think what it was like for the ones involved, at the time of the carnage".

Dude,
So imagine the terror for tens thousands of people in or near, the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima after the US bombs exploded and incinerated 220,000 civilians , and laid waste both cities.

Now that is world terrorism American style.

I am not justifying the the crime committed in the sky over Lockerbie .. but it pales in comparison to the crime my country perpetrated on the citizens of those two Japanese Cities.

Adios

GC
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 03:09:53
*Edwin & Mahnaz Bollier, Mebo Ltd,Zurich 22/10/2008 02:16:31* @#8,

Quite true as us humans do, we all have differing thoughts of the "Lockerbie tragedy" and all else in our lives.

Justice for me and for the ones that died that night, seems to take second place now, more the thoughts for the dead, loved ones, and families involved.

Grief, Anger,.....Anger, Grief, for me whoever they bring to justice and no-matter the sentence, will never heal the pains, of loved ones lost, and the thoughts of others lost.

Our Justice system must,..'Of-Course' Bring the responsible to account, to whoever they were or are now, but the grief they caused thousands, we have no sentence, for what was done.
9

Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 22/10/2008 03:15:18
This scum should have died long ago. Up the long ladder down the short rope. Zero sympathy.
In God we trust. Allah can pound sand. That's the bottom line.
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 03:15:38


GalacticCannibal ~9,

Yeah, point taken!, 'Life' seems to be worth nothing, to many, that carry out atrocities.
11

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 22/10/2008 03:25:31
Hmm, justice and appeals need to take their natural course, the conviction on the face of things looks shaky but this was crime on a massive scale too!.

I think this is one for the victims to decide but at the end of the day - either libertarians or rednecks are going going to be upset.

Bit of a tough one.
12

W Smith,

Middle East 22/10/2008 03:41:45
So Tam Dalyell, who was friend of the late President Nasser, and close political ally of George Galloway, thinks this guy is innocent.

SURPRISE SUR-BL***Y-PRISE.

No doubt the Hamas supporting SNP Justice Minister will do the needful.
13

W Smith,

Middle East 22/10/2008 03:50:47
When christain charity worker Gayle Willliams was gunned down a few days ago in cold blood on the streets of Kabul this newspaper didn't allow comments.

Tam Dalyell, Galloway, Salmond, Saeed and the rest didn't have much to say about it either.

Any "anger" expressed from the muslim community in Scotland then Mr Saeed over this brutal murder?!

Human rights and justice for people like Ms Williams don't matter to the loony left Scots.

After all she was killed by.. eh..."freedom fighters" then, eh Galloway?
14

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 22/10/2008 03:56:24
Further hmmm...

One of the problems the west is facing is that yanks with their torture programs have, broadly speaking, devalued the wests 'moral supremacy' with regards to human rights. Illegal wars also devalue this position. If we impose a different rule upon this prisoner than the norm of release it will be precieved by the Arab world as one rule for everyone else another for us.

If the best mediacl advice is that he has a few weeks to live and the normal procedure, regardless of the crime commited, is to release it is not only morally correct to do so but politically and strategically prudent to do so also.

Release him and make a big song and dance about it - be shown to be compassionate but unwavering in the belief of the primacy of the rule of law. This will be good for McAskill, The SNP, The Scottish Legal Sysyem, The UK Government, The West in general.

It is of tantamount importance that the west rebuilds and then mantains the principals of justice and fair play, especially as more powerful, less human right bound forces in the east become stronger and stronger.
15

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 03:56:35
So we bypass the sentence he was given after being deemed guilty by seperate 2 judges? does that not make a mockery of the judicial system?
Set him free cos "we think it looks unconvincing"? who are we and the media in the course of justice?
16

Alexander the Scot,

Michigan 22/10/2008 04:32:00
9GC. Still at I see from the LEFT COAST where all the fruits and nuts have rolled to.
If those bombs had not been dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is estimated that U.S. casualties would have been in the region of TWO MILLION in order to finally defeat Japan..
It's amazing! I wonder if you ever open your BIG mouth around any Marines? I'll you don't, otherwise you'd get your backside whipped.
17

Ticher10,

22/10/2008 05:15:25
He was declared guilty by law. He must remain in prison where those who care about him may have opportunity to visit. If he is innocent he will be
glad to face Allah and those who supported his guilt
will be punished by Allah accordingly. Amen.
18

Jason,

Japan 22/10/2008 05:26:10
Lord Denning on the topic of “unsafe conviction”. Lord Denning, Master of the Rolls, admitted in a radio interview that he put public confidence in Criminal Justice System ahead of the notion of guilt or innocence. Which meant that people spent decades in prison refusing to admit guilt; naturally because they were in fact innocent. This is known as "in denial of guilt" and Britain’s flawed criminal justice system considers the rehabilitation process cannot begin until the convicted felon admits guilt and shows remorse. However in the case of the Birmingham Six, Lord Denning went on to say, “It would have been far better if these non-entities were hung and forgotten about, than for the public lose faith in the criminal justice system.” He died a few weeks shy of his 100th birthday. Far from being the greatest judge of the last century as claimed, my one regret is that there is no Hell for him to go to. But I could be wrong, in which case: “Trust it’s warm enough for you there, Your Lordship”. Normally one refrains from speaking ill of the dead, but in this case …
19

portnoi,

Wetaskiwin 22/10/2008 05:38:56
A higher power has passed his sentence-let justice be done.He can receive the same pain control and probably better care where he is.
20

Ubi,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 05:49:38
Whitehall’s practioners of its very special brand of justice will not have overlooked the elegant possibilities.


Under the circumstances, my dear chap, Her Majesty’s Government may very well be persuaded not to oppose with undue fervour interim liberation on what seems to us to be entirely deserving grounds of compassion. It’s just that this appeal thingy of yours might make it a little awkward. Sort of prolong the process, if you follow my drift. Now if, entirely of your own volition, you were too, uhm... With me so far? You will let us know in your own good time, won't you?
21

DesertRat,

Desert Southwest USA 22/10/2008 05:55:06
#18 (Alexander...) Well put regarding 9GC. I'm an old vereran and we call wonks like #9GC 'runners' though ignorant or coward, or both, would do just as well. No cajones. Somewhere between 1.5 and 2 million Japanese lives were saved as well by Harry Truman's decision. And don't forget all the UK chaps who's lives were spared in Southeast Asia when hostilities ended.
22

Alexander the Scot,

Michigan 22/10/2008 06:09:26
24 Desert Rat. Thank you, thank you.
I visited the Graves of my Family members who fell with the Seaforth Highlanders at Saint Valery on June 1940 and it really pisses me off when I read the nonsense spewed out by clowns who have never known the grief that the mothers and fathers knew when all of those young men were slaughtered in order that those buffoons are now able to enjoy the freedom to spit on their memory.
Once again dear Veteran, I thank you and all the others who fought and bled to secure MY freedom.
God bless you.
23

Guga II,

Rockall 22/10/2008 06:10:24
Al-Megrahi's conviction was a total stitch-up as a result of pressure being brought to bear by the Americans.

As he is dying of cancer, he should be freed immediately so that he can be with his family for what remains of his life.

I also think that his appeal should continue, even if he dies, so that, at last, the Scottish legal system can attempt to salvage what is left of it's reputation.

24

Ubi,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 06:42:03
Ironic to read that many of the opinions expressed above from North America appear to be closely aligned with the principles of Islam's Shariah law.

God Bless Merca. Every god.
25

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 06:48:03
Who are we to speculate as to the guilt or innocence of this man ? On balance, though, I think he should be freed and transferred - in the first instance - to a hospice or hospital facility without delay assuming the terminal nature of his illness is confirmed by the medical authorities. I know some forms of cancer can be rampant and a desperate prognosis can be made shortly after symptoms appear. But I'd want to be re-assured that this prisoner - and all prisoners currently in Scottish jails - are given access to hospital treatment as soon as it is requested or any sharply declining health issue is observed by prison staff or visitors.The eyes of the world are upon us.We must be seen to be firm, but humane.
26

Tomdonald,

22/10/2008 07:03:56
For goodness sake send the poor guy back to Libya today. Guilty or not, the man seems to have only a few weeks to live, and if by some miracle cure he lives well amen (so be it!)
27

Tomdonald,

22/10/2008 07:14:22
I see some debate which brings in Hiroshima. What about the leaders at the time who had to say "go"? The Japanese were involved in dreadful crimes - the Burma road, Pearl Harbour to name just two - prewar they were aggressors.
It is all very well for some of you guys who weren't around before the war to pontificate using 2008 ideas on morality. What about the Crucufixion?
28

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 22/10/2008 07:46:57
Let him rot and then ship his body bag by the slowest method possible back to Libya.
29

Regulator,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 08:26:13
What nonsense the lot of you........ We have our laws and whatever they are we should abide by them, not be brow beaten by America to keep him in for political reasons, nor to release him for political or any reason other than because our laws say he is released.
30

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 22/10/2008 08:26:15
#32 - it`s as coincidental as publicity-seeking Smeaton`s asthma attack.Just at the time of the trial of the 2 bombers.
31

gwp,

Lockerbie 22/10/2008 08:28:25
As a resident of Lockerbie I was on scene that night within minutes and helped pick up many of the pieces of body. Those memories will be with me to the grave along with a continuing guilt that I lived when many died.

I know from personal experience the wide inaccuracies quoted in many parts of the media and while I have not personally seen all the evidence I have some faith in the investigation and its outcome.

Despite what has happened I would not deny him the medical support he needs, but he should end his days where he is.

To me, he is the finger of the hand that pulled the trigger - the rest of the body is unlikely to be brought to justice because we need to prove 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

I remember those who died, and their families, Istill visit the memorial regularly even 20 years on.
32

Donart/NZ,

NZ 22/10/2008 08:46:06
My heart bleeds........but not as much as the families who'se loved ones died. I am against uneccessary suffering......use a bullet to stop his suffering. that's as not as brutal as it sounds. It's more than he did for those that died.

Al Astair
33

A Crofter,

Western Isles 22/10/2008 08:47:16
Anyone who believes that Megrahi was rightly convicted should take the time to read Paul Foot's excellent report of the trial (published by Private Eye).

Our wonderful Scottish juduciary donned their finest Crusader-style garbs, refused to allow crucial evidence and did exactly what they were told by the CIA.

We should all be disgusted by the way this poor scapegoat was incarcerated.
34

zorba,

airdrie 22/10/2008 08:50:44
let him rot, and send a message to all terorists, that they will die in prison, was the human rights of those who died considered? NO so let him rot.
35

Dick Lynas,

Glasgow 22/10/2008 08:52:05
'Prisoners thought to have less than three months to live in Scotland can apply for early release on compassionate grounds.

Such decisions rest with the justice secretary, who normally has to weigh up medical evidence and the likelihood of the inmate reoffending.'

I trust that Scotland is a compassionate country. And I trust our doctors. And I dont think that Al-Megrahi is going to blow up any more planes.

So if medical evidence indicates that he is likely to die within weeks rather than months then release the man into the bosom of his family with immediate effect.
36

Old Siggy,

Dunbar 22/10/2008 08:53:08
I don't recall the great apologist Tam Dalyell or Gaddaffi's bestest friend Galloway calling for the release of Myra Hindley or Ian Brady??
Like them, Al-Megrahi is a convicted mass murderer and must end his days in prison.
37

Boy Wonder,

22/10/2008 09:04:02
I never believed Megrahi was the man responsible. He was a convenient scapegoat.

Whatever the truth, I think it would be seen as merciful, and a positive step to Muslims if we allowed the man to return home to die with his family around him.

38

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 09:14:48
40 - I agree Tam and George - are the enemy within - they are the friends of our enemies.

But they are old a senile now and nobody really listens to them - they just like the spotlight and a bit of crazy banter usually turns the medias head!

Galloway is without a doubt living on borrowed time - if that man avoids jail there is no justice ... everyone who knows him or has done business with him in the past knows he is corrupt and can (or used to be) be bought and sold like candy .... not sure about Tam .. think he's just crusty ...

Can't believe some folk are making excuses for the Lockerbie terrorists on the basis of Hiroshima ... !? it's like saying 'Folk were killed in Dresden so the Dunblane massacre was OK !' honestly .... that is not a president you want to be making public if you want folk to take you remotely seriously - it makes you sound Loopy !
39

Nailhead401,

edinburgh again 22/10/2008 09:20:27
if he is released, then the UK justice system is seen as a soft touch, if he is treated it costs the tax payer more!
leave him where he is, it may just clarify his mind.

oh dear, what a shame, never mind.
40

tommy,

belfast uk 22/10/2008 09:24:51
to DR and ATS- Well said,unfortunately there are many who take as a right the freedoms we have today,..earned by the sacrifice made by our armed forces.
We can see today by the increasing dhimmitude of the government that this sacrifice will have been in vain

22. 20th century boy
Quote...she was killed by Muslim fanatical nutcases because she was a Christian. ...Unquote

NOT fanatical nutcases.... You have just seen more evidence of devout muslims implementing sharia.
They have accused her of proselytizing
sura 005.033
The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be ...KILLED... or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
41

tommy,

belfast uk 22/10/2008 09:41:51
Al-Megrahi: the dilemma

Just where is the dilemma -- If there is a dilemma here,it does not bode well for the future-- I can find no sympathy for him or his ilk.
42

hubris,

22/10/2008 09:44:23
I bet not one of the posters on here has read the judgement of the court and understood the weight given to each bit of evidence.
i also bet none of the posters have analysed the input of the SCCR


people just love to spraff
43

hubris,

22/10/2008 09:45:50
scottish criminal case review board
44

Miss H,

22/10/2008 09:47:08
I would hope there is no dilemma. They should let him home to die with his family.
45

BorderLineScottish,

22/10/2008 09:49:49
It's amazing how we in the UK put up with the sh*t spouted by Muslims in our own backyard, whilst the Muslims slaughter people for doing the same thing!
46

BorderLineScottish,

22/10/2008 09:54:00
#48

Yes Miss H, and you can escort him home if you wish.

P.S. Don't forget your Hijab and good luck.
47

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 10:01:56
Bottom line here is that he was found guilty by a court conducted according to Scots law - not Aemerican, not English, not anyone else's law - Scots law. There was an appeal, and that was conducted, again, according to Scots law. The appeal was refused and the conviction upheld. Are all these happy clappy jokers out there really suggesting that all those SCOTS judges got it all horribly wrong? In a sense, he's going to get off lightly. His life sentence may not be as long as many think it ought to be. Tough.
48

WKKB,

22/10/2008 10:41:07
Part of me wants to say put him in a hot air balloon and shoot a missile at his balloon. At least he won't suffer any more than the people he killed. You know the old eye for an eye but the other part of me says just let him rot behind bars. Why should the courts show him compassion did he show any compassion for his victims, both those he killed and those who have been left behind? He has a life sentence and in my book that means as long as he is living he should be behind bars.

Also... hip hip hooray #49 I'm so with you on that point!
49

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 10:41:34
If Al-Megrahi is cleared on appeal will the US have to repay the "compensation" that they extorted from Libya?
This alone should ensure that the appeal is followed through, even though Al-Megrahi might not be around to see the conclusion. The stakes are high!
50

Miss H,

22/10/2008 10:42:17
51 He was found guilty on the evidence which was made available to the court. Courts can only reach verdicts on the basis of the evidence which is put before them. Without getting into the various conspiracy theories there is widespread uneasiness about the case, it’s not just a bunch of nutters who think there are serious question marks over the quality of the evidence. My opinion is that we will never know the full truth due simply to the passage of time.
51

WKKB,

22/10/2008 10:43:17
#48 and did he allow his victims the same compassion? Those he killed that didn't die in the initial explosion lived long enough to die a terrifying fall from the sky. They certainly didn't get to die in the arms of their loved ones. In fact.. they shouldn't have died AT ALL that day!
52

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 10:43:41
#32 Like you I'm cynical. I would like to know the name of his doctors.
53

Miss H,

22/10/2008 10:45:46
56 I'm a pretty cynical person myself but the idea that the NHS would engage in a conspiracy to diagnose someone with inoperable cancer is a bit too barking for me.
54

C,

Glasgow 22/10/2008 10:46:37
#8 Mebo? The guys who sold the timer and it's like to anyone, no questions asked?
55

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 10:48:22
MoiraMac # 56

Why do you need to know the names of his doctors?
56

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 22/10/2008 10:59:33
I feel very sorry for all those people this forum who seem to think we Scots should base our compassion on other Peoples Actions.

I really dont care one iota what Muslims,Americans or anyoe else would do in this case.I suppose I am fortunate enough to be influenced by sensible Human Beings. I wont make any decision based on whether I like someone or not.

What I would do in this particular case would be to consult with all the people who were involved with those individuals that died. If after they had seen all the medical evidence, they choose to have him die in prison or be released, then that is good enough for me. These are the people that have a right to decide this matter. I certainly support whatever decisionn they make.

Lets hope the Scottish Government acts quickly when it matters.

PS W Smith Middle east. It must be terrible for you having to take money off Muslims in the middle east. I dont know how you can live with yourself, especially when you are always on this forum spouting out your hatred for them and any other race.You have to be a BNP supporter after a lobotomy.
57

Kipling,

22/10/2008 11:03:07
How come they didn't notice this earlier? Pro-state cancer is one of the easiest to spot if this guy was being given proper medical checkups. Is this characteristic of Scottish jails and how many others die because of similar neglect ? Is that also 'Scots law' ? If Mr al-Megrahi ordered the bombing -- and I personally think it was an unsafe conviction due to evidence of other mischief being treated as minor or irrelevant (eg, the break-in to a Heathrow security area reported at the time where the ?pallets / ?transferred baggage were kept) and the politics of the time which demanded action/retribution (Libya was supplying the IRA with dynamite or whatever) there were others down the line involved. But the whole drama seems to be written as if Megrahi put the device on the plane himself (if indeed it was him). I hate to say I am one of the disbelievers in Libya as responsible. The newspapers at the time promoted the idea of it being the Palestinians, then Iranians, until directed, possibly by their internal government masters, against the Libyans.

#14, W.Smith. President Nasser was not a typical African tyrant. The Egyptians suffered deprivations of civil rights and being killed before, during and after his reign. He was attempting to put Egypt on a sovereign footing, without kowtowing to the British or French. This also meant befriending the Axis powers, which is what the Turks did, as did other countries where the Allied Europeans had ruled. But then, my enemies' enemy is my friend, is it not? He made severe mistakes, including those in terms of the environment (the Aswan dam, for example) but gargantuan development was seen as progress at the time to raise the standards of living of the population: look at the sixties concrete c**p arising in the UK at the time, the ruination of our woods/forests/mountain sides, the building on flood plains, the destruction of natural animal habitats, etc, and you'll have much the same picture. Unless you regret nations i
58

Kipling,

Pan the god of fertility 22/10/2008 11:04:08
Unless you regret nations improving themselves, profiting from their own resources and using their own workforce & workforce management to do work they are perfectly skilled to do you will dislike indigenously appointed leaders, because in the Middle East that is usually why they arise (Assad, Kassim, Nasser, to name a few - from the army, but usually that was a route for poor men to improve themselves). Erm, isn't that what wee Eck is trying to do?

Back to Megrahi. Release the guy to his family if the prognosis is certain. Compassion is one of the greatest of virtues, 'no more tears now, I will think upon revenge' is just one way to lose your sanity (and the head that keeps it therein).
59

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 11:04:13
#57 Some say the NHS has gone to the dogs so it could well be barking. Woof! Woof!
60

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 11:07:12
#59
Think about it!
61

Morry,

Scotland 22/10/2008 11:11:29
If you commit the crime, you are or should be prepared to do the time.
"the fall guy" is ill, o what a shame, but those people killed in the Lockerbie bombing, those people were not given the their right to life, they were not considered anything other than a target by terrorists just like him.
In my opinion he should die in prison.
He should not be allowed the compassion of Britain to allow him home to his country to die among "his own kind"
his "kind" showed no compassion to the people he killed.
What message does Britain give by showing compassion to killers, foreign or otherwise.

62

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 11:17:52
He is innocent, and has become the 271st victim of Lockerbie. Let mim go back to his family and let's have the truth about Lockerbie.
63

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 11:19:20
MoiraMac # 64

No, you tell us why you need to know the names of Al-Megrahis doctors.
Why would Scottish doctors compromise their professional standing by diagnosing Al-Megrahi as we are told they have?
64

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 11:20:58
#66 Are you saying our legal system is also barking.
65

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 11:23:21
#67 I cant really answer you. I don't know what gets into the minds of some doctors who do absolutely crazy things!
66

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 11:27:34
Kenny MacAskill does not have the moral fibre to make a decision on this matter. The article above does not indicate the provenance of the information on Al-Megrahi, but, it has the hallmarks of a leak from MacAskill's office. This would allow MacAskill the opportunity to test public opinion before ostensibly making a "considered" judgement.
It is patently absurd and vindictive to keep a terminally ill individual in jail when there is so much doubt as to his guilt and an appeal pending.
Dithering from politicians and dithering from the judges cannot help the case of Scottish justice which appears to have been used for political ends in this.
67

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 11:29:23
I'm saying their has been a miscarraige of justice.
68

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 11:29:42
MoiraMac # 69

I knew you couldn't answer. But, what are these "absolutely crazy things!" that you claim doctors do?
69

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 11:33:04
#72 Much as I would love to say and chat. I have to go. Check Harold Shipman. Glasgow Airport attack just for starters!
70

J F M ,

Glasgow 22/10/2008 12:00:30
I think we should allow him to return to his home-land. I don't like what happened at Lockerbie anymore than anyone else, but he should at least be allowed to die with his family around him. I've sat with people while they died and the family have missed the event possibly by minutes, the guilt felt by them has been terrible (he may or may not have done this act) not his family why should they suffer?
71

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 12:04:05
MoiraMac # 73

That old one again, generalising from the particular?

Harold Shipman was an eberration, the Glasgow Airport trio are, allegedly, terrorists who happened to be doctors, doing what doctors, setting fire to airports!
But, you can scuttle off now, happy having made your insinuations about the majority of hard working, diligent, efficient doctors.
72

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 22/10/2008 12:09:19
The fact that Megrahi's conviction looks less safe with each passing year is a further reason to let him die in Libya.

Kenny MacAskill has shown us how tough he can be, now let's see if the new Scotland is going to be one of compassion or will it reflect the less than human approach to justice of the worst of the red neck American States.
73

LaundryEnd,

Shropshire 22/10/2008 12:10:19
What a contrast between the responses from Jim Swire and Jean Berkley and the American Susan Cohen. My heart goes out to all who lost loved ones, but how long can you go on hating without diminishing yourself.
Also, what goes around, comes around. One way or another.
74

Kipling,

Pan represents male virility 22/10/2008 12:20:15
Perhaps the stress of being locked up for something you didn't do contributed to the onset of the cancer, or perhaps Pan is having its own revenge. Remember this was the anniversary year for PAA and the airline had been already ?ticked off? for its lack of security. Was someone else, perhaps a competitor, trying to make a point, if not seal the lid of Pan's coffin?

Di-Dòmhnaich crum-dubh, plaoisgidh mi an t-ùbh.
"Crooked black Sunday, I’ll shell the egg."

#66. 270 (in the air) +11 (on the ground)=281 deaths +1 would = 282 altogether, plus any bereaved relatives/friends dying earlier than they might due to changes in their anticipated timeline. Looks like a body with 2 wings either side. May they rest with the angels.
75

Peter Baillie,

Fife 22/10/2008 12:22:20
Whether Megrahi perpetrated this atrocity or not it is not in question. We should be asking ourselves if we are the sort of nation that forces a terminally ill man to die in prison seperated from those who care about him I hope the answer to that question is no.
76

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 12:30:30
#75
My insinuations were about the doctors who attended 'Al-megrahi'Is there not a possibility that these doctors could be sympathisers - members of the same terrorist group! I would imagine he would have Arab speaking doctors. I definitely do not think this is too far fetched!
You seem to be making a big issue out of my 'little comment'- that is interesting! My experience has been that in general the Arab mind is different to the Western mind. I'm not sure that simple folk like myself can understand the Arab way of thinking. Before you start screaming 'racist' I am not saying the Arab way of thinking is better or worse. Just very different.

No need to start with the insults. I'll scuttle off when I feel like it!
77

Ewan Oosami,

IV22 22/10/2008 12:32:53
The guy should have been hung when he was first convicted, that would have saved the taxpayer millions and he'd have never got cancer either.
Why not put him out of his misery now if indeed this isn't a ploy by his lawyer to get him off and continue to sponge off the legal aid system.
78

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

22/10/2008 12:58:24
He should be freed not because he has cancer but because it is an injustice that he was jailed in the first place. The prosecution case relied on witnesses bought by the CIA.
79

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 13:00:46
MoiraMac # 80

The prognosis is dependent on the ethnic origins of the attending doctors and the patient presenting in your world, is that it? Even if they were sympathisers would change their diagnosis and prognosis? If the doctors were born and bred in Scotland AL-Megrahi would not now have cancer? Interesting viewpoint, no surprising MacAskill MSP cannot make a decision.
No wonder their are numerous conspiracy theories surrounding this whole sorry tale.
In your experience is the "Arab mind" superior or inferior the benchmark "Western mind?"
80

zed,

22/10/2008 13:04:12
I think an opportunity has arisen and a fair compromise can be made.

If the current appeal is (eventually) successful and Al-Megrahi is acquitted, and he has died while still incarcerated, then those who conspired to prevent justice (withholding crucial evidence, paying witnesses, succumbing to political pressure) and those who have blithely continued to castigate him despite this knowledge, should be tried in court, as appropriate, in contributing and supporting the wrongful conviction and subsequent death of an innocent man.

If, as it would seem for some, that prejudices should outweigh truth and justice, as long as the outcome is their desired result, they should be confident of his guilt and have no reservations in accepting the consequences if proved wrong. If the appeal fails, in life or death for Al-Megrahi, then they will be vindicated, and I will eat my hat.
81

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 13:16:59
I think this would be an extremely difficult decision for anyone to make. What if AlMegrahi is guilt he is released and then decides to become a suicide bomber (not at lot to lose)straps a bomb to himself and kills more innocent people.

#83 too many questions! I'm not on trial. Just putting my tuppence worth in.
82

Ken W,

Fife 22/10/2008 13:38:05
Scots Law? What a joke. A trial without a jury for such a major crime is unheard of in Scots Law.

-They made it up as they went along and presented a showtrial in which they withheld crucial evidence.

As a result the conviction was always clearly unsafe.
83

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 13:50:15
This should be an easy one for the governments involved; they already know the truth about Al-Megrahi's involvement in the Lockerbie case. It is the populations of those countries that are not privy to all the facts.
Imagine the effect on the credibility of the US and UK governments if they admitted that Al-Megrahi was not guilty?
Maybe the Scottish law lords will acquit Al-Megrahi; will the respective governments admit their parts in his conviction?
84

Eric D,

renfrew 22/10/2008 13:54:17
He's a convicted mass-murderer, let him rot in prison.
85

nolimits,

High Level AB, Canada 22/10/2008 13:59:58
I wonder, has anyone seen the trial transcript? Been privy to the evidence, physical or otherwise? Get a grip here! Jaysus, the story here is not about guilt or innocence, its about whether or not an inmate of your infamous jail system should be allowed clemancy on medical grounds. No more, no less.
Regarding Lord Denning and his comment about public confidence in the Judicial system. The man had told you all over there that public opinion outweighs judicial neutrality. Therefore when a person or persons are charged and the media move the information to the masses, public opinion will dictate the outcome of the trial.Regardless of guilt or innocence. In wonder how often this has been born out in truth? The Birmingham 6? others?
86

Ken W,

Fife 22/10/2008 14:07:11
"He's a convicted mass-murderer, let him rot in prison"

In Scots law a jury has the "ancient right" to decide on the outcome of a case: NOT Judges.

There was no Jury and the conviction is therefore unsafe.

But of course Eric, you are doubtless a ropes and lamp post kind of guy...

87

Miss H,

22/10/2008 17:13:36
89 The Birmingham 6 and Guilford 4 were not convicted in Scottish courts and would not have been convicted in Scottish courts under the Scottish legal system.

It would be unwise to suggest that the court reached an unsafe verdict in this case on the basis of the evidence available to them. The problem, as most people see it, is the evidence that was made available to them. You must remember that Scottish police forces did not really have control of the investigation.
88

OntarioToo,

Canada 22/10/2008 17:31:55
Wow!!! The CIA, the FBI, the Scottish court system, some paid witnesses and some doctors. All suspected of conspiracy in some form. Everyone it seems but the guy who is in jail for the murder of almost 300 innocent people. Can we spell paranoid? And now the bleeding hearts want to free him so he can die at home surrounded by his family. Too bad his victims didn't have the same opportunity. How can anyone believe that all these supposed machinations were enacted to convict the wrong guy? Face it, he did it and he got caught. If he didn't do it then you might as well open the doors to all the prisons. If the justice system is as corrupt as so many seem to believe then probably the majority of inmates are poor railroaded souls whose innocence is likely a given. Leave him where he is until he's dead, pack his remains off to Libya with a nice sorry for your loss card and good riddance.
89

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 17:33:00
#87 Hey Churchill How do you know all that? BYW I thought this discussion was about whether or not Al-Megrahi should be released on compassionate grounds. Have you lost the plot?
90

Keith Lagden,

22/10/2008 17:42:55
I could not have said this better myself:

"He's a convicted mass-murderer, let him rot in prison"

91

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 18:00:33
#92 Excellent post. What you said definitely makes sense to me.
Only I wouldn’t bother with the sympathy card.
To the Bleeding Hearts I would like to say:
You assume that this chap wants to die surrounded by friends and family. I don’t know too much about the Arab/Muslim way of life and death however there has been evidence to suggest that some prefer to blow themselves up and take innocent victims with them.
92

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 18:06:25
MoiraMac # 93

Hey Moira, you are the one who has lost the plot. You mentioned Harold Shipman, did he know Al-Megrahi?

Al-Megrahi should be released, not because is seriously ill, but because he is innocent. It is not the first time that UK courts have convicted people for reasons of political expediency. The Irish cses of decades past have proven that. Al-Megrahi was convicted in a Scottish kangaroo court conveniently far enough away from Scotland. Mr Swires, whose lost his daughter in the incident believes that as do many independent observers.
Anyway, who gains by keeping Al-Megrahi locked up?
93

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 18:09:25
MoiraMac # 95

You are a bitter, vindictive crank. What evidence do you have that Al-Megrahi is any more likely to be a suicide bomber than you are?
You are that crank who chose earlier to condemn all doctors because of the actions of Harold Shipman; as I said you are a crank.
94

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 18:13:38
#96 #97
You are spot on Churchill I am a crank, totally bonkers I talk a load of tosh but I certainly got you going.
NA NAH, NA NA NAH NA.
95

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 18:24:05
MoiraMac # 98

Couldn't agree more, in common with most SNP supporters, who are likewise potty, you willfully miss the point. This presents Salmond with an impending political problem. Does he support his Justice Minister MacAskill who is determined to appear tough on crime and whose instinct will be to leave Al-Megrahi where he is, or will Salmond back his release in appeasement of his new Muslim friends?

It is too big a question for Salmond anyway, who will attempt to foist the matter onto Westminster.
96

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 18:27:37
#99 Oh please stop Churchill I'm running out of Tena Ladies.
97

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 18:32:39
MoiraMac # 100

I suggest you keep those TLs for Salmond. I suspect he will need a few before coming to a conclusion on the impending dilemma above.
98

MoiraMac,

22/10/2008 18:38:43
#101 Will do Churchill. It's been fun chatting. See you next time. No hard feelings. BTW I'm apolitical so happy to donate Tena Ladies to whoever is in greatest need.
99

Churchill W.,

22/10/2008 18:41:40
MoiraMac # 102

Hey, I've enjoyed it too. You seem to one of the few here with any spirit for a fight! Best of...
100

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 22/10/2008 19:03:51
Why not move him into a secure open arrest environment for 3 months? His family could visit and stay with him. If he does not die - or even makes a miraculous recovery, then at least we have showed compassion and can put him back in jail until his next appeal.
101

The real dracula,

22/10/2008 19:30:00
he is a convicted mass murderer.
Did the families get the chance to spend the last few months with their loved ones ,,,no.

Did the dead get a chance to spend time with their families ,,,no.

Will the dead and their families get a reprieve to ease their pain ,,,,no.

Should Al-megrahi and his family be allowed that ,,,,,NO.

What goes around comes around.
102

steve52,

Kinfauns 22/10/2008 19:54:24
Churchill W....Yet again you take the opportunity to show to the rest of us that you do not have a clue what your talking about. Just to correct you....any decision to release this prisoner would be made here in Scotland. Westminster would have no say under Scots Law
This man is innocent and once more we see the Crown Office and even the current Lord Advocate conceal evidence from the defence that would prove the innocence of someone wrongly convicted. Indeed like many other cases had the Crown Office and the Lord Advocate supplied the evidence to the defence a conviction would not have been reached.

In one case Police officers concealed the names and addresses of eye witnesses who stated the accused/suspect was not the man they had seen committ the crime. The current Lord Advocate refuses to hand over statem,ents in the note books of said police officers made by said eye witnesses. These statements would prove that an innocent man was sent to prison for a long number of years. They would also prove that the Crown Office, The Procurator Fiscals Office and police officers from Lothian and Borders Police were complicit in perverting the course of Justice.

A conviction was required, and the authorities cover up for each other. Kenny MacAskill, by ignoring this, is party to it.
103

Rami,

Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 22/10/2008 20:05:02
Where is the famous Galactic Canibal from CA. U.S.?
Miss his opinion today:-(
104

Pattester,

Galashiels 22/10/2008 20:19:07
To all people out there who think he should be realised think again even if he is a fall guy so what he was convicted and should be kept in prison for the rest of his natural life the 270 people killed on flight 103 haven’t been given the same privileges like most prisoners in British jails its like a holiday camp make it more like the USA ones and there might not be as many criminals going about get rid of the softly softly touch and get hard let the Bas---d die in jail where he deserves to be.
105

notantidollarbut,

14 west prestonlinks 22/10/2008 20:51:04
to no9 thank goodness for these two allied bombs on Japan in 1945 as it brought my late dear father home from Burma to my mother me and my sisters
106

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA for more WAR VOTE geriatric McCain 22/10/2008 20:51:40
107
Rami,
Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 22/10/2008 20:05:02
Where is the famous Galactic Canibal from CA. U.S.?
Miss his opinion today:-

___________________________________

Hey Dude , Read #9

Like ..WOW dude, U must be on legal drugs dude. But that's OK as Ur Government can collect taxes on those legal drugs. I guess U do booze, like maybe whiskey or nicotine cigarettes.

But for natural Shrooms (illegal)they don't collect taxes . So they to*ss u into prison.

And then go on TV and speak to the mindless masses about the dangers of illegal drugs .

BUT its OK for legal drugs , sold on every street corner, and in our LIQUOR Stores and Super markets.


WOW Dude our societies are totally screwed up, or what.

About this Guy with the prostate cancer and is terminally sick.

Is his guilt, beyond a reasonable or any doubt .. If YES then treat him, but he stays in prison.

If NO then release the Dude.

Seems there is uncertainty in his case. Guilty or not guilty. Emotion has nothing to do with Justice.

Here in the States we execute innocent men, too frequently, based on flawed evidence.

Like Chill out Dude .

Its shroom time ,like lunch time....12:55 pm

WOW Adios

GC
107

2Right,

On Location 23/10/2008 01:08:52
If Guilty ? Then Megrahi deserves to rot in hell, but like Jim Swire I am convinced he is Innocent and the evidence for his conviction is fatally flawed and riddled with inconsistencies and discrepancies.

The Ice Cream War appellants were given "Interim Liberation" once SCCRC referred their case, Why not Megrahi ?

MacAskill openly supported other Miscarriage victims before becoming Justice Secretary but seems to have lost his voice now.

Free Megrahi Immediately and do not allow our Country to be tarnished any longer to support Amercan Ego's
108

J F M ,

Scotland 23/10/2008 16:32:36
When the Lockerbie site was being investigated, why were the Scottish investigators moved back by the U.S agents? What didn't they want found?
109

Rami,

Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 23/10/2008 17:31:34
#110) Today, 10/23/08 is my 66th Birthday:-) Yea! I'm
still with the living; I made it my friend's in Space!
To G.C.; sorry to disapoint you friend, but I do not
drink any alcohol anymore; I went dry Sept. 1992. Also, I gave up a two pack a day smoking tobacco habit
April of 2000. The one think that I do, do, is ride my
Yam FJ-1200, once or twice a week. Beautiful country
roads here in New Hampshire, very similar to the
Scotish countryside....I think; since I have never been
there, but delight in Globe Treker T.v. shows....
110

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