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Banking crisis: 'Everyone is carrying on … the atmosphere's bizarrely positive'



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Published Date: 15 October 2008
FOR most employees of Scotland's banks, last weekend was a welcome respite from days spent fervently and helplessly monitoring the ever-diminishing share prices of the once-robust institutions they serve.
The silence was shattered on Monday morning when they were awoken in their Edinburgh suburbs and City penthouses to the chilling news that those banks were, at least in their current form, no more.

Driving in to the global headquarters of RBS and HBOS, which have been an integral thread of the Scottish capital's fabric, their car radios sounded the death knell. The UK government was stepping in. The once-proud institutions with their enviable reputations had been forced into a humiliating bail-out by the taxpayer.

"We only found out at the same time as everyone else – with the Monday morning resignations," said one banker with RBS. "There had been speculation a week before, in the press, but that was really speculation. It was really getting up and seeing it on the news."

At Gogarburn, where on a bridge into Edinburgh the steel motif of the Royal Bank stakes an insolent claim to the city, confusion hung in the air. Autumn leaves blew around the massive self-contained village, which the Queen had opened in September sunshine just three years ago.

Last night, 36 hours on, the fear remained at its highest among older employees. Having worked for decades to build up shares, they could see their dream of retirement receding.

And with the confusion came contempt. Sir Fred Goodwin, the chief executive made notorious by his job cuts and audacious acquisitions, had once enjoyed the support of his staff. But he lost this when he lost control of their livelihoods.

However, others felt he was a safer bet. They feared that Stephen Hester, Abbey's finance director in the run up to its takeover, had been brought in to guide RBS along a similar course. A few miles away, where the HBOS headquarters on the Mound has gazed down on the bustle of Princes Street since 1806, the mood was similar.

But while at RBS there has been no clear talk of job cuts, HBOS staff said they had been asked to volunteer for redundancies. The group employs about 72,000 people.

And from those bases where the decisions were made that led – ultimately and perhaps unforeseeably – to their downfall, ripples began to reverberate into the lives of every citizen.

Holding shares in the institutions has been a badge of honour for small investors in Scotland, proud to hold a humble portfolio which says something about their national identity.

Now those investors face having the value of those holdings, already greatly diminished, reduced further.

Professor Emeritus Patricia Fraser, of Aberdeen University's business school, said: "HBOS and RBS shareholders have been hit for the last 18 months to two years. Even in the last month – RBS was 215p on 17 September and it's now at 70p. When you are hit like that you just have to sit, and the stability should help in the medium-term and long-term investment. The ones hit most are the ones who need money now."

She said that as part of the wider bank deal, the institutions had been ordered to increase their capital with or without government assistance.

If they had gone to the markets, there would have been more dilution, as all shares would have been ordinary as opposed to some preference.

Matthew Sinclair, a policy analyst at the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: "Shareholders will be frustrated that their shares in banks will be diluted, however, if the injection of taxpayers' money helps the sector to recover then they will be quids in."

But for those who have a more arms-length association with the bank, whether in terms of deposits or loans, experts have cautiously welcomed the arrangement which instils in the banks the duty to lend. Andy Willox, Federation of Small Businesses' Scottish policy convener, said: "At this time more than ever, with cash-flow concerns beginning to emerge, small businesses need fair access to flexible finance at competitive rates.

"So, measures to ensure that small firms can access 2007 levels of finance, if only from certain banks, seem to make sense."

The Council of Mortgage Lenders also believes that if the recapitalisations do what they are supposed to – shore up confidence and get markets moving again – money will filter down the system."

Prof Fraser said: "Banks are desperate for cash from us as well as from the government. In my opinion, that will continue, at least in the short term."

Within RBS and HBOS, staff are dealing with these changes as taxpayers, bank customers and employees.

Last night, some of the wounds at Gogarburn had been salved to some extent. Managers had addressed the confusion with conference calls and briefings. "The message has come clearly from the top that the 60 per cent bail-out is going to happen," said one worker.

"Everyone is carrying on. It does affect bits of the business here and there but everyone is pulling together and the atmosphere is bizarrely positive."

One London RBS employee said: "The bank is still very much standing. From a credit perspective, it's a lot stronger."

"Obviously there is big uncertainty – and everyone is talking about it – but people live with uncertainty every day."


QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERED

1. Why were the recapitalisation proposals for Lloyds TSB and HBOS not considered and presented separately?

2. Why was there a presumption in favour of a Lloyds TSB takeover – particularly when shareholders of both banks have not yet had an opportunity to vote on it?

3. Why should the government be supporting a solution that stands to trigger many more job losses than those already necessary?

4. Why have assurances not been sought on the retention on the retention of key functions in Scotland?

5. What protection will there be for bank customers and consumers as a result of loss of competition across the UK, and particularly in Scotland?

6. Has the government considered alternative options for HBOS? Why could the group not be supported like RBS and given the opportunity to trade out of its current difficulties over the next three years?

The full article contains 1043 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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famous 15,

Edinburgh 15/10/2008 00:08:00
Brown has distorted reality with his attempt to dish the SNP and the message stronger together weaker apart is code for undermine anything Scottish to kill the aspirations of any uppity SCOT! Brown and Darling we now know dithered for over a month. Even the Irish Government showed more decisiveness. The Norwegian Government had few problems. Only a lonely tiny volcanic island had real problems. Scotland betrayed again!
2

Incandescent,

15/10/2008 00:37:45
#1 The Federalist was indeed absolutely spot on - he predicted weeks ago that Brown would take precisely this tack.
3

Nevsky,

Moscow 15/10/2008 01:35:22
I like this journalist; she asks questions that are pertinent to Scotland and the people of Scoland and seems to have at least an objective grip on what is happening and what the potential consequences are for the country!
4

Nevsky,

Moscow 15/10/2008 01:41:34
She also seems to have spotted that Scotland might just have been (sorry Lindsay) shafted and that there have always been other alternatives on the table!

HBOS should really now be divided with BOS remaining at least at the core of Scottish banking and concentrating on what it was always good at; at worst it should be incorporated into RBS so the Scotland has at leasy one major bank!

The time is right to re-structure and also to consolidate Scotlands banking for whatever future lies ahead!
5

SS,

15/10/2008 08:24:57
"FOR most employees of Scotland's banks, last ........." followed by "The silence was shattered on Monday morning when they were awoken in their Edinburgh suburbs and City penthouses". What an utterly ungrounded generalisation that seems to be an attempt to buil resentment by painting bank employees as wealthy, well paid etc. etc. I suspect only a fraction of the 72,000 employed by HBOS live in such areas.

On a separate note - if these banks do begin to shift to London, or anywehere else for that matter, Edinburgh faces a much less prosperous future.
6

WeeBerty,

15/10/2008 08:52:54
Now, who would vote SNP now? Yes, the usual half-wit type.

We need to be together - not apart.

Yes indeed Gordy -

STRONGER TOGETHER - WEAKER APART.

Mr. Brown has been fantastic. An economic wizard. Flash Gordon indeed.

Again, well done.

Independence?

What? In Europe? The World Bank? The UN? Trade Agreements? NATO? The Commonwealth?

Independence? Just a fantasy.

Its great to be British. That is why people in Scotland have NOT and will NOT vote for Independence. Just fantasy island fools - the type who are multi IDs on messagebaords like this.

One nationalist - many names.

God Bless OUR Queen


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15/10/2008 08:54:51
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billengland,

15/10/2008 09:09:54
Giving the Scottish banks £37bn seems a little excessive to ensure a good result of the Glenrothes election for our Scottish rulers.
9

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 15/10/2008 09:10:47
The whole Blairite culture of fame , greed , easy money is the root cause of this downfall .
10

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 15/10/2008 09:56:43
7 WeeBerty
"As for the cost to shareholders of banks - **** them!"

Hardly the most constructive of comments. If you study the details you will find that the majority of shares are held by things such as peoples' pension funds.
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Dijit,

Glasgow 15/10/2008 10:37:01
"chilling news that those banks were, at least in their current form, no more."

Reign in those horses. They will be no change until the shareholders vote on it.
Ignore Gordon's rhetoric and soundbites, this is the man who told us he was pumping £630Bn in the banks. The reality of course, is in order to trigger this, there would be no banking sector to pump into. Much (£200Bn+) is based of cross bank lending guarantee's. Therefore most of the banks would have to fail at which point there would be no banks to pay to.

The big questions you miss out are:-
1. Have the shareholders and pension funds simply been sacrificed on this alter to Gordon's ego?
2. If Lloyds-TSB require funding then they are being paid to rape and pillage through HBOS? Hardly the sign of a white knight.
3. Does Gordon actually have the power to suspend a monopolies referral?
4. Why are these extortionate government preference shares carrying a penal 12% interest rate and not redeemable 'without mutual consent' for FIVE years?
5. The treasury say Goodwin was not pushed. Goodwin says he felt it was time to walk. Does the truth lie in the fact that Goodwin felt the destruction Gordon was intent on imposing on the banks something he wanted no part off? Better to walk and be needed in the future than sit there like a muppet?

Scotland is being comprehensively raped and pillaged. Folk are so mesmerised by the numbers that they are not getting their heads round the details.

Les us hope and pray the shareholders wake up soon.

In the case of RBS it is highly likely shareholders, who's business it actually is, may be better shutting the doors and waiting till the last desk, chair and subsiduary has been sold off.
The possibility exists that we will never have a private banking sector which includes these banks ever again.




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Lianachan,

Highlands 15/10/2008 12:10:35
The Pope has just named a load of new saints - is it too late for SuperGordon, the genius saviour of the world to make the list? I'd be surprised if he hadn't already phoned the Vatican to make that suggestion.
14

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 15/10/2008 13:42:47
Bank people are positive -or just relieved?

A handful of people look to be taking the blame and getting fired for this recklessness at the top banks.

However word about this has been on the street for 12 months, so it has been well known to hundreds of people in these organisations that did nothing about a situation they knew would blow up in all our faces. They carried on, kept heads down, took their huge bonuses and waited, perhaps to see if got another Christmas bonus out of it.

The system and people at many layers at the top has been proved to be rotten and a few sacrifices is not enough - this needs a full enquiry with teeth.
15

Dave,

Western Isles 15/10/2008 17:31:51
So Broon offers UK tax payers cash as a lending backdrop to a couple of banks by way of kick starting the lending that goes on between banks.

The conditions attached are that there is a borad room clear out and every time the banks use the cash, they are charged a fee (a win win sitaution for us).

This simple process has turned into A)a bank buyout (which it isn't) and B) proof independence couldn't work due to two Scottish banks being "bailed out".

These banks are simply not Scottish. The RBS is the 2nd biggest in the UK and Europe and 5th in the World. It is a global intitution. It just happened to have headquarters in Scotland.

Given thier size and wealth in the UK, the "English tax payers" are NOT bailing out Scotland but are in fact bailinbg themselves out too as well as many other than bank with the RBS and RBS owned banks accross the globe.

However, Broon is happy to allow the media deception to carry on.
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DHS,

Edinburgh 15/10/2008 17:50:29
No I don't live in a penthouse, no I'm not rich. Yes Iam a shareholder and an HBOS member of staff and after working for them for 24 years no I can't afford to retire as my shares are next to worthless.
Wee Bertie talks a lot of tripe, its quite sad that someone can be so wrong and not know they are. Another Mr Hornby
17

Martyk,

15/10/2008 18:26:27
How much would the interest be on the borrowed bail-out money? Got to be 2-3 Billion £ a year surely. Havent heard that aspect mentioned. With my realists hat on it would seem to me HBOS is finished. The numbers are horrific. RBOS can survive but has to sell of its international interests.
18

Tris,

15/10/2008 19:44:09

#6 He he he he. You're funny.
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mikep,

Los Angeles 15/10/2008 20:41:30
As an American I would add a couple of questions:

#7. Why was Brown able to spend 500 billion pounds of taxpayer money without consulting parliament or going through any sort of democratic process whatsoever?

#8. Why isn't the collapse of British democracy and the rise of an authoritarian British dictatorship seen as a major crisis and mentioned on the front pages of the world's newspapers?
20

billengland,

15/10/2008 21:12:58
20 mikep

We live in an elective dictatorship; that has been our system for many years.

We don't get to elect the dictator, we elect one or the other of our two parties (red or blue) every four years or so, and they elect him or her.

We call it democracy.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

15/10/2008 23:15:56
#2 Now - can I have my apology please - everyone?

 

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