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Published Date: 30 June 2009
GORDON Brown yesterday signalled the general election was unlikely to be held until next year, as he unveiled a series of slow-burn policies lacking in eye-catching or vote-winning initiatives.
The Prime Minister published what was in effect a mini manifesto, focused squarely on jobs, the NHS, house-building and constitutional reform.

But the document, Building Britain's Future, was roundly condemned by opposition parties for lacking vision. They said it provided concrete proof the government had run out of energy and cash – on a day when a think tank delivered a new warning on the UK economy.

Tory leader David Cameron said it was "a relaunch without a price tag" after Business Secretary Lord Mandelson indicated that Chancellor Alistair Darling had abandoned plans for a spending review ahead of the next general election.

There was also cross-party agreement that the absence of a "rabbit-in-the-hat" announcement, aimed at winning back public support, meant the idea of a snap election in the autumn had all but been ruled out.

Instead, the document, which sets out 11 new parliamentary bills likely to be included in the Queen's Speech in the autumn, was taken as evidence that Mr Brown was preparing for the long haul and hoping the economy would come good in time for a spring poll next year.

One government source said Cabinet ministers were content to play for time to allow the effect of policies, such as the VAT reduction and recapitalisation of the banks, to take effect. He said: "My view has always been that the general election would be held in May next year. Nothing about this has changed my mind on that. Everything takes time. Time is a great currency for politicians."

The Edinburgh South Labour MP Nigel Griffiths, a close ally of Mr Brown, agreed an early election was unlikely and said yesterday's proposals showed "we are now back to no Flash Gordon".

He said: "While I don't rule out a snap election, I think the longer we go, the more the gloss will come off (David] Cameron and the more empty his programme will seem."

Mr Brown's opponents agreed there was no sign of preparations for a snap poll.

Danny Alexander MP, chief of staff to Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, said the subdued nature of Labour back-benchers during Mr Brown's statement in the Commons yesterday spoke volumes about the mood of resignation in the party.

He said: "I genuinely think Brown's main thought is how he can preserve his position. I think he is not thinking about a general election. He is thinking about what will happen within his own party in the next few months.

"I don't see any sign of the start of a general election campaign. 'Prime Minister 2007-2010' looks better on Gordon Brown's CV than does 'Prime Minister from 2007-2009'."

David Mundell, the shadow Scottish secretary, said: "I think the Prime Minister is going to go to the wire – unless his own party stop him.

"It was a statement full of padding. There isn't anything in it that couldn't have been done over the past 12 years.

"People are now asking: if he has such great ideas, why weren't they implemented? I just think it's a damp squib. They have got nothing new to offer, but Gordon Brown is determined to soldier on to the bitter end."

Unveiling his plans to MPs, Mr Brown promised to create 150,000 jobs or training places across the UK for under-25s who have been out of work for a year – and withdraw their benefits if they refuse to attend. About 15,000 of these places will be in Scotland, where investment will total £100 million.

New rights will be introduced for NHS patients to opt for private care if they are not treated within time limits.

All "failing" secondary schools in England will be "eradicated" by 2010, and parents will be given the right to hire a private tutor for their children. Public funds will be reallocated from underspends in Whitehall as an incentive for the building of 20,000 more local authority houses in England and Wales.

Education, health and housing are all devolved to the Scottish Parliament and therefore are not affected by these parts of yesterday's announcement.

Attempts will again be made to reform the House of Lords by legislating for a directly-elected second chamber; as a first step, the 92 remaining hereditary peers will no longer be replaced when they die.

There was a commitment to invest in public transport – said by insiders to offer hope of a high-speed rail link between London and Scotland – and an energy bill that should boost Scotland's "green" economy in renewable energy.

But there was no mention of legislation to enact the proposals to strengthen the powers of the Scottish Parliament, proposed earlier this month by the Calman Commission.

This omission was criticised by the SNP but was said to be merely due to the timescale involved – the report from Calman had come too close to the publication of the policy document to be included – and the fact that a steering party has already been established to take forward Calman's ideas.

Attempting to draw a clear distinction between Labour and the Tories, Mr Brown said: "There is a real choice for our country – creating jobs or doing nothing, driving growth forward or letting the recession take its course. We will not walk away from the British people in difficult times."

But Mr Cameron accused the Prime Minister of "living in a dream world", while failing to recognise that he had "run out of money". Earlier in the day, he said Mr Brown's constant denial of the state of the UK's finances could provoke riots in the streets if this was denied at a general election. He claimed a "thread of dishonesty" ran through Mr Brown's premiership because of his failure to admit the dire state of the economy.

Mr Clegg was scathing about the Building Britain's Future document, dismissing it as a "ministerial cut-and-paste job, scraped together by a government without a vision by a Prime Minister running out of steam".

Speaking ahead of the unveiling of the policy document, Lord Mandelson indicated that the government would not set out a fresh set of public spending plans before the next general election.

"The spending period currently operating in government stretches beyond the next election and therefore it is reasonable to review public spending at that time," he said.

The Business Secretary said future spending would depend on economic recovery, but there would be a "reprioritising of expenditure both within and between departments".

He added it was impossible to predict how the UK economy would perform over the next two years.

"We are not in a position, in June 2009, to be able to forecast what growth will be and what the performance of the economy will be in 2011. That is why we have to wait," he said.

Meanwhile, a leading economic think tank said the government should be more ambitious over tackling the UK's soaring deficit.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development's report on the UK called for "more explicit" spending cuts and tax rises to address a deficit expected to hit 14 per cent of GDP by 2010.

The body's criticism comes just days after Bank of England Governor Mervyn King also demanded tougher goals from the Chancellor to reduce an "extraordinary" public deficit.

The main points

SCHOOLS


PUPILS in England will be promised one on one tuition if they fall behind in their studies and parents are to be given a greater say over the range of schools in their area. All secondary school pupils will also be given access to tutoring.

The changes are enshrined in the Improving Schools and Safeguarding Children Bill. All failing schools will also be sorted out in 18 months.

By 2011, no child will attend a school where fewer than 30 per cent of students achieve five good GCSEs or where a plan to meet those targets is not in place.

The bill will not apply to Scotland where education is a devolved matter.

POLICING

POLICE in England will be held more to account by the people they are protecting in a string of populist reforms announced.

Monthly beat meetings are to be held in neighbourhoods, allowing residents to vent their gripes and share intelligence with officers.

Residents will also have more of a say on prevention measures and a vote on how offenders "pay back" the community.

The changes will be in the Policing, Crime and Private Security Bill, which will not apply to Scotland, where policing is devolved.

The law will give police more time on the beat by reducing form-filling.

HOUSE OF LORDS

THE LONG-AWAITED pledge to reform the House of Lords was given fresh impetus, with the Prime Minister's pledge to remove hereditary peers from the Upper Chamber. A draft bill for a "smaller and democratically constituted" second chamber was also promised.

The legislation is expected before the next session of Parliament. It will include a clause to disqualify peers who are deemed to have been guilty of misconduct.

It is believed the remaining 92 hereditary peers will be removed through natural attrition, keeping their positions until they die. Their positions will not revert to their next of kin.

HOUSING

A total of £1.5 billion will be spent on housing. This will create 20,000 new affordable and energy-efficient homes over the next two years. A further 10,000 homes will be delivered through the private sector. There will also be reforms of social housing.

Local authorities in England will be able to give housing to "local people", ahead of new migrants.

The plan is being seen as a reaction to the British National Party's ability to tap into the latent anger over the recession.

The reforms are devolved, so there will be no consequences for Scotland.

NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE

PATIENTS will be given the "enforceable right" to certain standards from the NHS.

All patients south of the Border will be given access to hospital treatment within 18 weeks of GP referral, access to a cancer specialist within two weeks for patients suspected of having the disease, and free health checks on the NHS for those aged 40 to 74. The 18-week target and free health checks are already part of current NHS policy, but will now shift to being "enforceable rights".

Health is a devolved matter, so this will have no practical impact on Scotland. The policy is an attempt to make public services more consumer-focused.

JOB CREATION

ABOUT 150,000 new job opportunities are to be created for young people across the UK.

The government will spend £1.5 billion to create 100,000 jobs for young people and another 50,000 in areas of high unemployment.

The plans are controversial as they come with sanctions.

Anyone under the age of 25 who has been out of work for more than a year and refuses to take up an offer could lose their right to a benefit.

Unions have called for urgent talks with the Prime Minister on the matter. Young people in Scotland's unemployment hot spots will be affected by the change.

ANALYSIS

Steam train delivery fails to hide the lack of substance


IT RAN to 127 glossy pages, and came with much pre-announcement excitement. But what does Building Britain's Future mean for Scotland – and Prime Minister Gordon Brown's hopes north of the Border?

One thing is clear: the bulk of yesterday's announcements are targeted at the English (and Welsh) heartlands. Money is being spent on housing – 110,000 new local authority homes for rent or sale will now be built over the next two years, up 20,000 on the number announced in April's Budget – while 150,000 jobs, training courses or work experience placements will be found for under-25s who have been out of work for a year, 15,000 of those in Scotland.

There will also be moves towards greater choice in the NHS and in schools, a very Blairite concept – but, as a consequence of devolution, little of this will filter through to Scotland.

For that reality, Mr Brown cannot be blamed. Health, housing and education are matters that the Labour government gave responsibility for to the Scottish people a decade ago. Yet it creates the difficulty that Mr Brown has little "new" to sell to Scots.

This is shown by the fact that the Prime Minister will spend the rest of the week on a tour of the English regions, selling the proposals within Building Britain's Future – but he won't be coming to Scotland.

A couple of years ago, this would have mattered little, such was the enduring nature of Labour support in Scotland. But now, as the European election results showed recently, this has ebbed away and previously safe Labour seats are now under threat from the SNP and even the Conservatives.

What was notable from the way Mr Brown delivered his proposals was not only the speed of his delivery, but the body language – and that of the unimpressed Labour backbenchers behind him.

He charged like a steam train through the announcement, attempting to score brazenly political points along the way about public spending.

His theme as ever was that public spending was safe in Labour's hands and endangered under the Tories. Again he misused the "10 per cent" admission from Andrew Lansley, the shadow health secretary, to suggest that life would be nothing but severe cuts under a David Cameron-led Tory government.

But long before Mr Brown concluded his break-neck speed address, virtually all observers had realised the weakness of what he was announcing.

He had no new money to spend – the £1.5 billion or so of "new" spending had actually been cobbled together from savings made as a result of over-provision within Whitehall for PFI projects to go bad during the recession, and as a result of the "reallocation" of other spending proposals – ie, scrapping them.

It was another big Labour initiative that failed to pack a punch. Mr Cameron knew it – and dissected the speech mercilessly, noting that some ideas were four years old.

Added to the collapse of plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail, and the admission there would be no comprehensive spending review , this was a bleak day for Mr Brown.














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  • Last Updated: 29 June 2009 11:33 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 29/06/2009 22:57:09
'This is shown by the fact that the Prime Minister will spend the rest of the week on a tour of the English regions, selling the proposals within Building Britain's Future – but he won't be coming to Scotland'

Gordon Brown...England first PM in over 300 years!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 00:11:55

This is Gordon Brown's 'Hat-Trick', Our very shrewed, PM, will use this time to make outstanding policy making, to fly the 'red-flag' up high once more, and 'Win' He Will!


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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/06/2009 00:11:55
Broon Tabard. Will ye no come back again? Please don't.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 00:14:49

JS, watch you don't get barred, tolerance wont go on forever.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 00:15:57

Good Morning Sorry Suzanne.

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fat lord prodder,

somewhere in alba 30/06/2009 00:21:46
so we see herr broon set out his stall and wares for the english voters,hasnt bothered to even throw a few crumbs northwards,but no doubt the lies and promises of the moon will come soon,as skull gets it in the neck,by voters asking,where is your policies for scotland
funny in 1979 labour had made a right mess of the country
2009 labour does it again
hes trying to be 2009s answer to maggie thatcher,as he couldnt give a fig about us,as long as voters in the south believe him and vote instead of veto the labour party
well you carry on gordon and watch what scotland does to you,30 years on and thatchers still hated here in scotland the 2 of you are like a matched pair
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/06/2009 00:24:49
What has Broon left to promise when the election comes?
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Iainbroch,

30/06/2009 00:26:41
Gordon cluck! cluck! cluck! Broonie, I actually think it is difficult to use the word back in amything that relates to Broonie considering that he is spineless.

So Mandy wants to delay the Election then, thats what the headline should have said!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 30/06/2009 00:32:35
Dyb dob dyb, Broon. 3 fingers to us all.

For lab and lab and lab - power plot man

Wee heid.

The gardener's coming to get you.
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dhu loch,

inveraray 30/06/2009 00:55:48
How will a Tory Government at Westminster get on with a SNP Government in Scotland?How will Alan Johnson try to rehabilitate Labour with just a rump of MPs,we'll find out in just a few months.
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Iainbroch,

30/06/2009 00:59:44
re16

Very large tongue stuck in cheek!
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Edward,

30/06/2009 01:01:00
'Building Britain's Future'
Actually it should read 'Building England's Future'!Considering everything in it are devolved matters
such as Education, Health and Police
Its full of lies and deceipt as there just isnt the money
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Iainbroch,

30/06/2009 01:01:17
Has Rufus had a sex change since I have been on holiday?
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Edward,

30/06/2009 01:04:09
Headline is miss leading as Brown had no intention of going in October, he will hang on till the bitter end in May 2010, leaving a country completely bankrupt!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 01:08:24

Gordon Brown has many Qualities, being Scottish, is only one of them, this is why He is Shrewd, 'hat-tricks' are hard to come by.


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Edward,

30/06/2009 01:39:23
#24 & #25 Sorry Suzanne
Everyone knows your a Labour troll, no one in their right mind would come out with the utter bilge that you do. Unless of course you really do have a screw loose!
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30/06/2009 01:43:52
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Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 30/06/2009 01:45:42
Did anyone - other than the swivel-eyed,rabid right wing hacks at the Hootsmon think that Gormless Gordon
would go to the country in October?

Utter fantasy and nonsense to fill a few inches of newsprint.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 01:55:16

One Should get their 'Facts' Straight!!
Gordon Brown, Has Nothing to do with this recession, our the UK's, now is poor economy, He is, and we are, the Victims, of what started in America, or is this all too difficult to understand!?,
Children have better conception, than us it seems.

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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

30/06/2009 03:05:01
Typical of Brown. What a gormless, sleazy low-life.
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Castaway™ ,

30/06/2009 03:48:03
Tick Tock ! Tick Tock ! Tick Tock !
It is 338 days or 11 months, 4 days or 29,203,200 seconds or
486,720 minutes or 8112 hours or 48 weeks (rounded down)
Until 3 June 2010 last possible UK general election date.
Tick Tock ! Tick Tock ! Tick Tock !
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donald,

glasgow 30/06/2009 03:57:29
#28
Yes, and chewing up Onionist flies at First Minister's Question time
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Phil C,

30/06/2009 05:07:32
What a surprise! This waste of space of a government will cling on to the end, hoping for a miracle. The daft wee Labourites on here should 'enjoy' it while they can. I'm sure the rest of us can get a laugh as well. Things can only get better!

Oh well, that's democracy Labour style!
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i wear trousers not a skirt,

voting new labour out . 30/06/2009 05:48:17
I dont trust brown or two jobs salmond. No wonder lots of voters voted uk independence party and the bnp at the euro elections recently.The major political partys are corrupt with liars and fraudsters.
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Anne,

Eaglesham 30/06/2009 06:22:15
Ah, the Labour Party preparing to "flip" their spending plans.

Have they redacted their last election manifesto then?
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:28:41
#5 (Sorry Suzanne)

The constitution will not allow Gordon Brown to hold on for ten years or more without an election.
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:30:27
#16 (Sorry Suzanne)

When is he finally going to decide to get started then?
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:32:21
#24 (Sorry Suzanne)

The econmy's loss was rugby's gain.
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:33:24
#31 (Sorry Suzanne)

Brooding again, is he?
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:35:01
#32 (Sorry Suzanne)

where has he been hiding these mysterious credendials all this time?
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:35:45
#35 (Sorry Suzanne)

No.
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:37:40
#44 (Sorry Suzanne)

Iain Gray will be the driver.
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:39:14
#49 (Sorry Suzanne)

What have you got against the navy?
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:46:36
'53 (Sorry Suzanne)

As long as he doesn't pose for the photographers.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 06:52:41
5 I don't think you are allowed to stay in power that long Suzanne !

His policies kick in? It is his policies which kicked us OUT!

He has just made it clear public spending is to be a secret! The election slogan will be VOTE LABOUR because erm erm .

Its a bit like the BBC opinion poll.
The largest grouping are those who favour greater powers within the UK but of course that figure MUST vary depending upon what greater powers means!

When you cannot define this very open question you cannot interpret anything from the answer.
The BBCs opinion poll is NOT an opinion poll.ITs a politically biased propoganda excersize using questions designed to be ambiguous and the only thing one can presume from this is independence has at least 38% support and if the proposed devolution MkII is as expected an insult to that 38% and an unidentifiable percentage of the others presumably then there is everything to play for.

One way to find out! FIND OUT!
That we shall do in 2010 on St Andrews Day
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morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 06:56:30
39 You are correct Lots of English voters supported these parties. We are in Scotland however,and this is still a Scottish based paper of course even if it is less Scottish than any other paper.
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:57:32
#56 (Sorry Suzanne)

As a clumsy waiter.
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Saul Tyre,

30/06/2009 06:59:27
#57 (Sorry Suzanne)

Headline: Atheism spreads like wildfire in Scotland.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 30/06/2009 07:02:40
This unelected cretin of a prime minister fears the electorate and is just praying for some catastrophe before June next year so that he can call a state of emergency and keep the trappings of power that are so obviously dear to him.
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 30/06/2009 07:26:14
In the Brown Utopia we see precious few new policies and but all the same old tricks. “Building Britain's Future” has been unkindly but accurately described by a senior figure in the Government as “a load of Civil Service guff”. Another described it as “one of these long Gordon documents that no one bothers to read.” It sounds like his Ph.D. which took him ten years to complete and was considered by one of the staff in the history department of Edinburgh University to be “indescribably turgid and with a lack of insight so total as to be a thing of wonder”. The long nightmare continues. It must have been like this in Berlin in the spring of 1945. How did this weird, damaged individual EVER become PM.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 07:28:09

Brown backs off from October election

Would it not have been quicker to just lead with BROWN BACKS OF FROM ANY ELECTION EVER ?

It is a sad day indeed when a Government dare not seek a mandate to govern, because THEY KNOW THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF GETTING ONE.

They have no moral authority to govern and are undemocratic. We know they are not wanted!

Stupid numpty type statements about not walking away at this difficult time might impress the village idiot Gordon,but progressively fewer people in Scotland want to be identified as such by voting Labour.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 07:34:49
67 Gordon has not been ,hes a has been .
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morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 07:42:48
67 You must have been a Hollies fan!

I heard that their fan club is nearly as big as the Eco Party.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 07:47:19
69 If that is directed at me I already have.I refused to stand to the so called "National" rebellious Scots to crush Anthem and being a singer I did just that(sing Roy Williamsons song)on the terracing and watched the dissenters numbers grow and grow.
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TWC,

exLabour 30/06/2009 07:56:59
Brown is looking ill again.
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fat lord prodder,

somewhere in alba 30/06/2009 08:35:52
jilted john got it right in his punk rock song
"Gordon is a moron,gordon is a moron"
the empty suit rides again
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 30/06/2009 08:57:45
time for a flash sacking methinks.
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jdships,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 08:59:01
" Building Britain's Future,"

More like "Papering over the Cracks"
Blair, Brown and Darling have done more to damage this country than any other politicians in living memory - even Margaret Thatcher didn't wreck the economy.

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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 30/06/2009 09:07:23
£ 1 million to be invested in tennis coaching for youngsters . Compare that to the do nothing Tories .
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Andy Ritchie's left boot,

30/06/2009 09:07:44
Sorry Suzanne appears to have stayed up all night to post her rubbish on here. How sad - can't sleep while doing cold turkey, Suzanne? You should get together with Charles Linksaill and have kids. Or maybe better not.
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 30/06/2009 09:08:10
72 - I will never stand or sing Flower O Scoatlin .
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Edward,

30/06/2009 09:10:49
Either 'Sorry Suzanne' the Labour troll is actually a Labour smear team, or the personhas a serious sleep disorder
'Last' post of the night (#32) at 03.45, 'first' post of the morning (#35) at 05.05 ! Less than two hours sleep.This probably accounts for the really inane comments
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reincarnated,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 09:17:52
Caption. "4 plus 4 is....emmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"
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Liber Respublica de Scotia,

30/06/2009 09:20:01
#83, Devoid of reason,
Would you prefer to sing the strains of 'Bridge Over Troubled Waters?' If so, PlSS OFF over the border.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 30/06/2009 09:27:09
Chickened out again. Trouble is according to the OECD we are badly in debt and there could be a second recession so if Broon thinks the economy's on its way up he can think again. And all that uncosted tosh in this manifesto that isn't one is just another compendium of "initiatives", which is he were elected which isn't going to happen, would never be implemented properly or at all. He WILL have to cut and cut again and the sooner the better.

Not that he will because he is a one-trick pony and great at spending oher peoples' money which we haven't got.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 10:02:53
sounds like the drowning Mann hanging onto the straw
or dead man walking or an over the hill hasbeens afraid to leave the gravy train,
the labour goverment changed from being a political mob into a national disease
that pile of plonkers have done more damage to this country with pen and paper than Adolph Hitler did with bombs and bullets,we are no longer part of Europe,we are now actually owned by Europe, as witnessed every day when the people of this country have to do what some mysterious figure lurking in Brussels tells us
any day now the jackboots will be marching down the high streets and the gestapo will be pounding on doors
the smell of evil seems to be everywhere!!!!!
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 30/06/2009 10:20:43
Young people will either get a job or be in training! Is this training related to local unfilled jobs? Or is it a 13 week computer course to gerrymander the unemployment figures? Seems we have been here before and of course as usual all this comes with sanctions. Labour is truly providing Salmond with enough ammunition to last until the election, no vision, and no money, just more of the same dross. And that additional £1.5 billion that will be spent on housing, this applies only to England, will the Scottish Government receive an additional payment to do likewise north of the border? Even the unions are up in arms and who could blame them. If this is an attempt as stated to counter the BNP in middle England, then where are the measures to counter the SNP in Scotland? Brown has nothing to offer Scots; Labour is dead in the water and floundering like a beached whale.
87

Yeah1,

30/06/2009 10:23:34
#65

"It is a sad day indeed when a Government dare not seek a mandate to govern, because THEY KNOW THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF GETTING ONE."

They already got a mandate to govern in 2005 when they won the general election. That entitled them to govern for up to 5 years - why do they need another mandate now?
88

TWC,

exLabour 30/06/2009 10:35:35
73 Sorry Suzanne

If I asked a question about the weather, a menu, the cost of Mince Labour poodles would turn it into an attack on Salmond.
Brown and Labour in general are scared stiff of the electorate and all because they are scared to put their policies up front.
It is all non specific

ALL WE CAN, NO STONE UNTURNED, EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER

Go to the polls for goodness sake and let the people have a look ate all of you.

Especially Scottish Labour -- they need a clear out.
89

langtonian,

uphall 30/06/2009 10:46:52
Usual "silly bilies" comment with regard to Gordon Brown's perfectly straightforward ,never in doubt,2010 election.

Those "vested interests" from the usual mumper's and moaner's ,particularly of conservative hue are not happy, -tough thats politics, the party in power calls the shots.

Gordon Brown and And Murray are both imbued with ae good Scottish characteristic.

"WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH THE TOUGH GET GOING".
90

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 30/06/2009 10:49:43
#94 Yes they certainly will be "going"
91

Mack1,

Carlisle 30/06/2009 10:56:00
Yet more vacuous claptrap from McGob. No doubt over the next year we will be assailed with yet more eye catching "initiatives" and "strategies"from the monkey and his organ-grinder, aka Mandelson.

92

Prudence,

30/06/2009 10:56:03
If there's not going to be an election this year , New Labour are starting their sweet-talking electioneering a bit early for Britain .
93

TWC,

exLabour 30/06/2009 11:00:40
When the going gets honest Brown will get off his mark.

It's bad news all the way Brown is acting like King Canute and is shortly going to be swamped by the financial bad news that he is hiding.

The recession will continue, we will continue to spend, Inflation will rise to double figures if we do not cut public spending and all our pensions and finances will be decimated again. IT's the 70s oall over again.

There are only 2 options cut back or inflate to devalue the commitments.
94

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 30/06/2009 11:11:32
Mervyn King basically says Darling and Brown are off their heads. Now who do you believe? I know I believe Merv.
95

JCA REID,

Annan 30/06/2009 11:17:58
How can he call an October General Election?
The By-election for former Speaker Martin's seat has been set for mid-November!
Basically he's hanging on for next spring/May so as many of the Labour lot can milk the system for a few months longer & they'll be grateful to him for it. He's just trying to keep a few friends who, one day, might be of use to him in the future.
96

TWC,

exLabour 30/06/2009 11:38:36
100 JCA REID

He could indeed go in October, it would not change the fact that the By elections is rumoured for November.

Labour have named their candidate. I don't think that this embarassing Government can go on at home they are very unpopular but worse; abroad they have lost all credibility. Iran are thumbing their nose at Britain because they can see we are unable to react.
97

tommy M,

Scotland 30/06/2009 11:42:30
Nice to see Salmond and his cabinet off round Scotland LISTENING to the people again. One of Broon's many problems is that he has no regard for what the people want. Aye, he will cling on to the bitter end and i hope for the lying and deceit labour party it is very bitter indeed.
98

Joe Plaice,

the Nutmeg of Consolation 30/06/2009 11:51:21
#99 Mikko. He would certainly APPEAR to be out of his tiny mind but my great fear is that it is all part of a greater plan to ruin the country deliberately and sell us out to his masters in the EU in exchange for god-knows-what. This would fit in with his Marxist credentials and those of his wee Darling, Lady Mandy and Millibrain, all of them Trotskyites or Marxists.
Phony Bliar set up Demos, a left wing think-tank, (bit of an oxymoron), to help him win the election and Demos is now advising all the main three parties. Very fishy suff going on.

Suzanne who is sorry but not sorry enough, is either a nutter, a paid troll or just on the wind up. Perhaps she is trying to win votes for the SNP, in which case.... GOOD JOB SO FAR!
99

Tartan Viking,

30/06/2009 12:10:31
By the time this election takes place Mandelson will be the Prime Minister, whether elected or not (it didn't apply to Broon either).
A
100

Lianachan,

Highlands 30/06/2009 12:14:25
Brown backs off from October election? Runs away from, more likely.
101

Arfur,

30/06/2009 12:17:22
I don't know what's more bizarre. The fact that the incompetent idiot thinks he has a chance if he puts it off or that we still have numbskulls on this forum still supporting this shower of losers.
102

neoloon,

Moray 30/06/2009 12:17:46
Mandy,not Broon,will decide the date of the next general election.Meaning: when the rest of Europe has ratified the Lisbon Treaty with the result that the new Tory government,and the rest of us,will be faced with a sickening fait accompli.
103

Sedov,

30/06/2009 12:17:58
Go now, go now, before you are thrown out.
104

Willie Mor,

30/06/2009 12:26:20
BRING IT ON!

Tick, tock, tick tock.
105

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 30/06/2009 12:29:58
Gordon Brown has as much bottle as a tetra pack, I see the CSR has been shelved until after the election

Gordon still in denial about the reduction of 7% in Government spending whoever is in power.

That fact that nobody in the media, business or in the think tank world believe him doesn't matter, what matters is Gordon does and that he is therefor mad as a bloody march hare or he is a complete sociopath.
106

mike3,

30/06/2009 13:01:08
And how many will believe it or even know what they can believe? Imagine only hearing the voice of Gordon, no internet, no newspapers, no...!! They will do nothing, I will do anything and everything and.... Arghhhhhhhhhh.
107

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 30/06/2009 13:13:02
Building BRITAINS Future??

So he's spending on Schools, Police, Housing and NHS. All devolved matters.

So he's spending in England and at the same time he's cutting Scotland's pocket money.

ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THE UNION!!!???

White man speak with forked tongue Maggie.
108

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 30/06/2009 13:31:17
Brown is a lying deceitful nutter.
He lives is some surreal world where everything he says or believes is a reality in his tiny mind.
In true Labour fashion they keep repeating the same lie in the hope it becomes a reality.
Very Goebbels like and scary for everyone in the UK.

We need HM Queen to step up to the plate and dissolve the Parliament.
109

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 30/06/2009 14:23:40
112,113 The man and his Balls are absolute patholigical liars

Fraser Nelson is going for them full tilt in the Spectator

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3725688/talking-balls.thtml

Hasn't "Clear Throat" Chancellor Darling being really quiet recently hmmm....
110

MoiraMac,

30/06/2009 15:18:10
Affordable Housing! That’s a laugh. The vast majority of people living in the so called affordable housing have to claim housing benefit because they don’t earn enough to pay the ‘affordable’ rents. They are stuck in a poverty trap and are usually better off on the dole than in full time employment. Perhaps if they made these rents ‘affordable’ they might find people have more incentive to go to work.
111

Eve,

Scotland 30/06/2009 15:24:19
That figures Browns became incredibly indecisive.

One thing for sure it will be before the deadline that Murphy's stirring group has set to imply Clamans commission recommendations.
112

The Scotchman,

30/06/2009 15:36:26
What's all this then? The Lieboar logo is the English rose. "Building Britain's Future" - the Union flag is designed as the logo for this thing.

http://www.hmg.gov.uk/buildingbritainsfuture.aspx

Look at Brown smiling there. Ha! Ha!

Yet they have the nerve to complain about SNP - the national party of Scotland - and the saltire? Listen to some of the guff Murphy is coming away with.

The Corrupt Ones know the case for independence is being won. That's why they spin out all this mountains of rubbish, just like they do in Iran.

Vote SNP for a forward thinking prospering Scotland free of lies, free of corruption, free of WMD and free of debt.
113

Dan,

Englandshire 30/06/2009 17:05:17
I'm wondering you know. I'm now beginning to think that Gordon Clown is the Nationalists secret weapon. The plan is startlingly simple:
Become the most unpopular person in Britain
Remind everyone he is Scottish
Build up a dislike in the rest of the UK for anything Scottish thanks to Brown, Darling Mandy et al to the extent the rest of the UK will be so happy to see the back of Scotland that the moment independance is mentioned it's granted in a shot.
Brown returns home the hero of Scotland.

That must be the reason, he's doing sweet FA for the union!
114

Eve,

Scotland 30/06/2009 17:14:12
#117 The Scotchman: Intersting that they fail to mettion that this stuff only applys in England.

I really must mention that I love their map they use to indecate their road shows, it so nice to see where Norway, Sweeden, Iceland, Denmark, Ceska Rep, Germany, Poland and Belgium which actauly lookslike there will be a 3 road show in the Channel sea area (NOT to sure what that area of sea called and Googles takeing to long to find the right name.)
115

karin Mac,

30/06/2009 17:42:35
proof of labour lies

http://dizzythinks.net/2009/06/minister-says-we-must-deceive-our-own.html
116

Observer,,

Glasgow 30/06/2009 17:53:00
Lay off Gordon guys he's doing his bit to combat the recession. He's keeping glassmakers in business replacing all those bottles that keep crashing.
117

Alan B,

30/06/2009 19:38:57
#123 Observer

:)
118

Alan B,

30/06/2009 19:42:39
It is really sad for the uk that so many will suffer due to the incompetence and power seeking agenda of one man.

With mass unemployment, people losing their homes as they lose their jobs, public debts that will take decades to pay off, severe private comsumer debt, cuts in public spending and/or very constrained increases in the nhs meaning real people will really suffer, brown and labour in general supporting his nonsense for the last decade have a lot to answer for.

The sad truth is no matter who gets in the uk will be suffering for a long time due to brown.
119

2BFrank,

West Lothian 30/06/2009 20:52:55
Looks like Paw Brown's relationship with the truth lasted as long as his last relationship with Prudence.

He's cancelled this years spending review probably in fear of being found out. What next....the IMF to bail us out...tea with Unions in Downing Street.

Games Up Mr Brown...call that Election when you find your bottle !!!
120

morris,

edinburgh 30/06/2009 20:54:05
119 I agree he has done nothing to Unite the so called United Kingdom. The real crystal ball question of course is:

Which party told the truth?

The Labour Party who claim that Scotland is subsidised by England........................or

The SNP who claim that the UK is subsidised by Scotland.
The report by Professor McCrone which was commissioned by Westminster government was suppressed for thirty years and only released because of the time limit of the Freedom of Info Act.It said almost identically what the SNP has claimed for years from their research department activities.

I can tell you now. BOTH SCOTLAND ENGLAND (and Wales and Northern Ireland) have been conned.

You will have a slightly different problem to Scotland however.We need to convince our electorate that their future is better as an independent nation.
Your problem is convincing the population that you were also lied to and the reality is that you can ill afford afford to let Scotland go !

Like I said If you presume that Westminster told the truth,that is a very ill advised presumption on BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER!

Its simply not true!
121

langtonian,

uphall 30/06/2009 21:28:35
Given the dolefull prognossis from above SNP independance orientated supporters,the" end of their political world" ends in approximately 10 months from now.

It's tough at the top,but even tougher at the bottom
122

IainGlasgow,

30/06/2009 22:00:30
The monkey might be staying on a bit longer but the organ grinders remains the same. The real people of power must be stopped before it is too late. This is a must-see video because what starts in America makes its way here eventually.

http://www.bbc5.tv/eyeplayer/articles/obama-deception
123

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 30/06/2009 23:15:58
He's on the run again!
124

famous 15,

Edinburgh 30/06/2009 23:59:44
What amazes me is the huge percentage of Scots who wish INDEPENDENCE. Given the lack of sympathy and fairness of media coverage for the independence view ,this is astounding. Why the referendum is feared is that there will be requirement in the "run up" at least in organs such as BBC to operate a level playing field.
125

alanh,

ek 01/07/2009 13:55:07
what a pile of poo Macavity's new "plans" are

Schools............who is going to pay for all these extra teachers for all the extra one on one lessons?

Policing.........how many extra police will have to be employed to cover for the monthly meetings?

House of Lords reform.........how many new liebore new peers have been sent their to get their fill from the trough since '97 when they were elected to reform the HOL?

Housing ..."Local authorities in England will be able to give housing to "local people", ahead of new migrants." Who will decide who is "local" enough? Will this be govt money or some get rich quick PFI deals for the next lot to pay for?

NHS....heard it all before

Job Creation.........with no money, biggest debt in our history what jobs will be left for them and who will employ anyone after the job creation money has run out ( bit like yts schemes from years gone by). What kind of "jobs" are we talking?


It certainly shows how little we actually need westmonster anymore
126

morris,

edinburgh 08/07/2009 08:26:08
19 Have you been on holiday since Rufus had a sex change?
127

morris,

edinburgh 08/07/2009 08:28:29
126 If you are so gifted in prediction of the future how come you got sod all right up until now?

 

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