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Published Date: 07 May 2008
GORDON Brown today moved to defend and clarify comments made this week by Wendy Alexander about a Scottish independence referendum.
The Prime Minister denied that Ms Alexander, the Scottish Labour leader, had called for an immediate referendum on Scottish independence. Later today Ms Alexander defended her position and again rejected calls for her to step down as leader.

The scene earlier in the House of Commons was a classic Labour-Conservative verbal slugfest. When challenged by Tory leader David Cameron on Ms Alexander's comments, Mr Brown said: "That's not what she has said."

An incredulous Mr Cameron hit back by accusing the Prime Minister of "losing touch with reality" if he did not think this was the case.

Mr Cameron said following last Thursday's English and Welsh local elections the Prime Minister had said he would listen and lead.

"So let's start with an issue of leadership," Mr Cameron said during Question Time. "Labour's leader in Scotland, Wendy Alexander, says there should be a referendum now on Scottish independence. Do you agree with her?"

To Tory jeers, Mr Brown replied: "That is not what she has said.

"The Conservative Party, the Liberal Party and the Labour Party have joined together in setting up the Calman review, the commission on devolution. I hope we can see progress in that commission and we will review the progress before making any further decisions," Mr Brown said. "I thought that was the policy of the Conservative Party, who supported the commission."

Mr Cameron told him: "I think you are losing touch with reality. Wendy Alexander said: 'I don't fear the verdict of the Scottish people – bring it on.' What else could that possibly mean? So do you agree with her or not. It's not much leadership if no one's really following you."

Mr Brown said the commission had been set up to review the progress of devolution.

"I believe all parties in the House will welcome the fact that it is looking at all these issues. When we review the progress of the commission we can make further decisions," he said.

Mr Brown went on: "What the leader of the Labour Party in Scotland was pointing to was the hollowness of the SNP that said they wanted independence, said they wanted it immediately and now wanted to postpone a referendum until 2010-11.

"That's what she was pointing out and she was making it clear that what the SNP was doing was against their election manifesto."

Mr Cameron said: "The one thing people thought about you is that you were quite a good political fixer. You've now lost control of the Scottish Labour Party."

Deputy leader of the Scottish National Party's parliamentary group Stewart Hosie later raised a point of order accusing Mr Brown of inadvertently misleading the House over the Scottish Government's plans for a referendum.

Mr Hosie told MPs: "The Prime Minister said the Scottish Government was seeking to 'postpone a referendum in 2010/11' and that the Scottish Government was acting 'against its manifesto'.

"That manifesto was explicit in setting out a timetable for that referendum in 2010 and in misrepresenting this, I fear the Prime Minister has inadvertently misled the House.

"Far from the referendum being delayed or a manifesto promise broken it is one the Scottish Government intends to keep."

Speaker Michael Martin said the point of view of the Scottish Government and First Minister had now been put on the record and matters should be left there.

Speaking to BBC Scotland after the Commons session, Ms Alexander insisted Mr Brown was fully behind her attempts to expose the "hollowness" of the SNP's stance on a referendum.

When asked if she intended to quit, Ms Alexander responded: "Not at all."

Asked if her position was untenable, as claimed by SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon, Ms Alexander insisted: "I have the support of the Prime Minister, the Labour group of MSPs, of many party members, and indeed the people of Scotland, who feel they have the right to have a say on this matter.

"And it is wrong for the SNP to claim they favour independence but not to bring forward a choice for the Scottish people in a referendum before the end of this Parliament."

Ms Sturgeon was quoted as saying "Wendy Alexander's position is now completely untenable. At a stroke, Gordon Brown has destroyed her leadership – and placed serious questions over his own, given the number of inaccuracies in his PMQ answers."

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1

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 15:16:35
Total confusion, panic, U turns and melt-down from Labour.

2

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:22:21
They will both be totally discredited in the press for this and both Cameron and Salmond will jump on this opportunity. One of the has to back down and i would guess Wendy now has no option to resign is she has no support from her leader (haha) what other option is left open to her?
3

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:25:46
Silly us..it was all a big misunderstanding then..oh well that clears that up then..WTF?
4

steve 1511,

aberdeen 07/05/2008 15:32:23
wee wendy who was unable to keep control and conceal her bungs,is in the land of the fairies does she believe the people of scotland will support her in a U TURN,THE WOMEN IS AN EEJIT AND A DUNDERHEID
5

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 15:32:30
Is this not odd - given the other headline "Wendy wants referendum in 12 months" and "Bring it on"
6

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:34:32
Where have all the unionists gone that were shouting and supporting Wendy's call for a referendum? It's all gone deadly quiet!

Now that Gordon has given Wendy the most embarassing political slap i have ever seen i presume you will all be against the idea of a referendum now?

We await your posts secure in the knowledge that Alex will bring it forward in 2010 as promised LOL
7

Ileach,

07/05/2008 15:36:42
Dearie me - it was probably an unintentional utterance and a complete misunderstanding - what?
8

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:40:34
Can anyone recall how many in the Labour Party were behind her and their names?
9

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:46:59
Where have all the labour supporters and unionists gone who were backing her, the 'bring it on' brigade?

10

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/05/2008 15:53:42
First she says weeks ago she's against a referendum, now she says time for one. And claims publicly on Newsnight that she has consulted Gordon Brown. Then Gordon on PMQs today denies she's said that (re referendum) and says that further decisions will come following the Calman commission report - i.e. a slap down for Wendy.

In the meantime her Calman colleagues Annabel Goldie and Nicol Stephen are aghast that she could come up with this without consultation. Some slap in the face for them - never mind the consultation just come out with something totally different which was not to be the subject of examination by the commission. So where are the Terms of Reference for this and why does Wendy think she can abrogate these and conduct a major national policy shift on The Politics Show?

Bizarre. She'll be off with pressure of work shortly or the protection squad will permit a more fundamentally honest examination of her other dealings. Her departure from Scottish politics is next, not FM.
11

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:55:08
Should we run a book on resignations? Presumably Wendy will go but about the rest? They must be close to breaking point!
12

acanthus,

07/05/2008 15:58:09
So all those who she claims were supporting her in Scotland will now no longer support a referendum because Gordon says so...this is getting just better and better the more i think about it...
13

A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 15:58:58
Three time on Newsnight she was asked by Brewer, "has Gordon Brown sanctioned this," and eventually she said yes. Now Brown says that Alexander is not calling for a referendum. What the fcuk is going on Liebour, surely you cannot roll over and die as easy as this, you are finished, never mind in Scotland but in the UK.

St. Andrews house will you please mobilise the unionist gang hut and get them on here to defend this mess, this forum has stalled.

We are waiting ? ? ?

YES WE CAN
IT IS TIME
14

Dr Egg,

Polling Booth 07/05/2008 15:59:04
Aww please let us vote.
15

Davie08,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 16:00:11
A U U-turn in two days anyone know if this is a record? Ciome to think of it a UU turn has a nice ring to it maybe Wendy has contributed a new to the English language.
16

Davie08,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 16:01:32
sorry should be a 'new phrase' but I was laughing so hard
17

acanthus,

07/05/2008 16:02:19
Wardog,
Haha i was thinking exactly the same thing a few days ago after Wendy's performance..what has she got left to lose?
18

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/05/2008 16:03:54
One thing we can say with 100% certainty. Either Gordo or Wendy lied to us !
19

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/05/2008 16:05:28
Wither way Wendy will have to resign after Brown withdrew his support at PMQs today. Her position is untenable. What odds that she will so it before FMQs tomorrow rather than facing Salmond's ridicule.
20

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/05/2008 16:05:43
Wither = either
21

acanthus,

07/05/2008 16:06:53
We didnae mean it. Aye we did. No we didnae diddy. I didnae, did youse?. Aye. What aboot yoose, you no mean it? Naw.

Labour HQ this afternoon!
22

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 16:07:22
20. LOL. A "W" Turn?
23

A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 16:11:40
U BENDY WENDY, is in Toys r Us now.



YES WE CAN
IT IS TIME :o)


It is so nice living in Scotland now and being able to witness the death throws of this bunch of liars and arrogant traitors.



GOD BLESS AND KEEP ALEX SALMOND.
24

Boggle fey the Bog,

07/05/2008 16:12:36
Windy's Defence.... "Gordon ah didnae INTENTIONALLY say ah wanted a referendum in 12 months, whit ah meant tae say wis, them ScotNats ur beetin the keech out oh me an am huvin a nervous brekdoon, so bring it oan!!!

It just sortta goat mixed up as it wis comin oot ma big mooth. An by the way, ah didnae threatin tae bring a bill in ma sel, ah just sayed....Jackie where ur ye Jackie am loosing it help me Jackie.........."

Ye couldnae mak it up!!

Who's running the book on the next Slab leader?

Time tae get sum money on the outsiders. Like Numpty Des McNulty or Jackie The Hutt ;-))


Cooeee, Halllooooo any Onionists oot THERE,

AM2 Oh where are you,
wie yer cut n paste,
tae grace this page,

Nae comments oan yer leaders thrums,
Aw quiet on the Onion front
But Wait!! whit is this a hear?,
Is that ye crashing out oan tae yer ear!!!
Oh dear Oh Dear!!!!
25

MacMerrynoon,

Torino 07/05/2008 16:13:03
British politics is in great troubles, so this moment could be a precious opportunity for Scotland
26

Davie08,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 16:13:21
27 A 'W' turn even better. LOL. Pity we can't call it it the 'Wendy' as she has given her name to so many other forms of cock up
27

acanthus,

07/05/2008 16:13:57
I'm not too sure but is a double u-bend not something used to to try and carry c**p away from your toilet?
28

Western Gael,

07/05/2008 16:26:55
Ah, dear Wendy, you've surely set the cat amonst the pigeons now!
29

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07/05/2008 16:32:50
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oddoneout,

07/05/2008 16:36:29
#24 #25 I preferred wither...you just missed the a off away
31

Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 07/05/2008 16:39:25
Unfortunately it is advisable for us to Keep wendt and gordon where they are.they are doing more harm to themselves than can imposed by the other parties.
32

acanthus,

07/05/2008 16:42:41
You have to love the quote from the Herald yesterday:

Some back benchers [labour] felt there was "merit" in what she had put forward and it would "wrongfoot" Mr Salmond.

Oh is that right!

33

Miss H,

07/05/2008 16:49:45
Another broken promise from Labour!
34

brownlie,

07/05/2008 16:53:32
Ha, first unionist on here!

As a unionist I'm speechless!

Oh no, I was going to be the silent majority but have now broken my silence.

Highland, AM2, Mad Alfie, Ciderman, Grahamski are now the silent majority!!!
35

antifa,

07/05/2008 16:53:38
Brown has indeed lost touch with reality - and is probably guilty of lying to parliament. Alexander is on record as supporting a referendum within the next 12 months and says three years is too long. She wants the referendum to follow the two-choice model. He must know all this. Perhaps he is banking on her being removed.
36

Guga II,

Rockall 07/05/2008 16:56:07
Hahahahahahahaha.

What a bunch of liars and charlatans, both the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party and the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch).
37

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 16:59:13
For the last couple of weeks, Scottish Patriots have ben asking on these forums "Where's Wendy". Obviously they had her tied up in some wee cupboard with a very large gag in her mouth, and only let her out to attend First Ministers Question Time. So we all know how she couldnt think of a third question to ask Alex the Great. Secondly she got her erky kicked by Maid Nicola. This week she cut her ropes with her Srill Voice and got out, only to appear on The Politics Show where Glenn Campbell, who I thought had drunk himself to death, got her to open her cakehole and put the London Controlled New Slavour Party into even more keek. After that her boss who is a notorious backstabber, stuck the knife in at PMQ in a foreign country.

You know this could be a new book plot for Harry Potter. Wendy could be the Wee Fat Silly Witch who always forgets her spells. OH SORRY THAT WAS BEWITCHED. Elizabeth Montgomery mmmmmm, I was in love with her when I was a bairn, especially when she tweeked that gorgeous nose. Ive got to go and have a wee shower now.
38

CAPER,

07/05/2008 17:01:18
An extract from an article in todays Labour loving Daily Record:

As recently as March, at Labour's conference in Aviemore, Alexander publicly rejected a referendum.

But she and Prime Minister Gordon Brown have taken soundings from senior figures within Labour since then.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

39

acanthus,

07/05/2008 17:12:30
Journos on the radio seem a bit confused as well...'hung out to dry'..'untenable'...she said that her and the PM are 'united against the SNP' but no mention of them being united for a referendum LOL...she will have to go..Salmond will make mincemeat out of her.
They are also saying that she cannot introduce a referendum bill as it would have to go through Westminster meaning Broon would have to Ok it and also a referendum on Europe..no chance!
bye bye Wendy
40

Brian M,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 17:13:36
Perhaps U-bendy "mis-spoke" or not knowingly said that she wanted a referendum within 12-months
41

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:16:22
48. Col B - LOL. Bring it oon ! Well, Gordon Brown has brung it and Wendy ain't liking it.


,,yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away.....

42

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:17:05
51. i think, seeing how this has played out, she may have said "Brown it on"!
43

­­Grahamski­,

Falkirk 07/05/2008 17:23:17
Like the Late Martin Luther King...I too have a dream.
44

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:24:25
57. Like the late Martin Luther King, Wendy's referendum policy is also deid.
45

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:25:10
I dreamed a dream...Of a Scotland Free!
46

acanthus,

07/05/2008 17:25:25
58:
Funny lol
47

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:25:52
60. I had a dream. Scottish Labour said they wanted a referendum. It was a very short dream. Brown it out.
48

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:26:36
Of Majors and Colnels...and Aristocracee!
49

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:26:43
62. Bling is on? She was wearing a nice necklace.
50

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:27:23
So I'm Voting............
51

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:27:47
Scottish Labour - change is what we do.

Who would have thought they do so very much, so very fast,
52

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:28:13
......S. N. P.
53

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:28:21
66. The Wendy demands a referendum thread? Well, it never existed, Gordon Brown says so above.
54

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:28:44
69. Ping and pong?
55

acanthus,

07/05/2008 17:29:52
69:
You will have more chance of seeing Brigadoon that you will of having Labour in power for 20 years. I wouldn't put your dancing pumps on for a while...
56

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:30:16
69. Gings its gone?
57

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:37:03
78. George Foulkes says "binge is on"!
58

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:40:51
Well perhaps not...but that may have been the Whisky talking.
59

Truely English,

07/05/2008 17:41:34
It really is time we had David Cameron as the British Prime Minister as he alone can save the Union and our shared English language, culture, traditions and way of life for generations to come.
60

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:42:24
Whisky says...Vote SNP!
61

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:42:39
81. I agree
62

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:42:53
85. I never said that.
63

­­Grahamski­,

07/05/2008 17:43:40
Grahamski says....I'm going to puke,,,
64

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:43:48
81. Bring it on.


Erm, changed my mind, put it away.
65

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:44:12
87. Bring it up!
66

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 17:45:39
90. Whinge is on...
67

Yankee girl,

USA 07/05/2008 17:51:04
90 - Meths, good to see Groucho quoted. One of my heroes.

Hi, Ayrshire!
68

Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 18:05:21
Meths, talking of phones.....

......................................

The SNP today lodged a Freedom of Information Request with the Prime
Minister’s office for details of all calls received or made by or on
behalf of the Prime Minister on the evening of Tuesday 6th May.

The request follows Wendy Alexander’s claim on Newsnight Scotland on 6th
May that she had spoken to Gordon Brown that evening and that he was
endorsing her decision to call for a referendum.

In Prime Minister’s Questions on 7th May Gordon Brown denied that Wendy
Alexander had called for a referendum.

SNP MSP Roseanna Cunningham said;

“Wendy Alexander’s credibility is hanging by a thread.

“She told the country and her party that Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister
supported her decision, yet less than 24 hours later he denied her
position.

“There must be clarity, did Wendy Alexander genuinely speak to Gordon
Brown and did he endorse her call for a referendum?”




HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA












HA!
69

steve52,

Kinfauns 07/05/2008 18:16:21
Poor wee Wendy. Watched her refuse to answer questions on Newsnight Scotland last night obviously because she could not. If ever there was an empty heid it must be her. 10 out of 10, for being the worse politician in Scotland no doubt.

Brown refused to back her in Parliament, bye bye Wendy.

Yes Wendy, lets bring it on.
70

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07/05/2008 18:16:33
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Yankee girl,

USA 07/05/2008 18:18:14
96 - Meths, yee ha!

Looks like yet another politician has suffered from loose vowels. We have that problem here, too! ;)
72

John Blackley,

Florida 07/05/2008 18:18:20
It looks as if Ms. Alexander spoke before the Prime Minister told her what she meant by what she said. (No, it's not meant to be clear.)

Gordon, float-like-a-bee, sting-like-a-butterfly Brown is proving himself to be no parliamentarian either. (Exactly what IS it that he's good at?) Unfortunately, this probably means that the next Prime Minister will be Dave 'Soundbite' Cameron (as the Labour party's arcane rules for regicide make it unlikely that anyone will oust Gordon before the next election.)

Yippee. Swapping a dour, clumsy Scottish Prime Minister with a glib, all-hat-and-no-cattle Home Counties one.
73

acanthus,

07/05/2008 18:18:28
Well according to the wireless and wee Glen Campbell the Broon spokesman is refusing to speak about or clarify the matter...
It's all there online, in the press, the media and on the wireless, no?
Brown goes into hiding again like the coward he is leaving poor wee Wendy dangling like a klingon on the labour party's bum!
74

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07/05/2008 18:21:15
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 18:26:22
Just saw her on STV news.

She repeatedly refused to say yes or no when asked if she had Brown's backing for a referendum. She merely waffled on about the SNP not bringing a referendum bill to parliament - she obviously pretends that she does not know that the SNP promised that for 2010.

Broon must be cringing at having her as Labour leader in Scotland. Joke was bad enough. Now they have foot-in-the-mouth that is U-bendy
76

McGinty,

07/05/2008 18:31:06
Come back Henry Macleish, all is forgiven.
77

acanthus,

07/05/2008 18:31:19
Presumably everyone who she claims was backing her call for a referendum will now not be calling for a referendum?
It's not just Wendy and Broon the SNP and others should be attacking but the whole Labour party for this laughable behaviour.
One of them at least is a liar (probably both) and should be fully exposed as such, just not good enough for Scotland to have people like this in politics..expose them and get them out!
78

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 18:32:11
106. Its a muddle, and a wibble.
79

Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 18:34:59
Obviously the WENDY has shot her load.

Which of these fatherfurkingvagsuckers will be the next leader of the Scottish Parliamentary Labour party?

Cathy Jamieson (aka Desperate Fishwife) 14/1

Andy (Disnae) Kerr 8/2

Jackie (The Hutt) Baillie 85stones/1

Wee Jock MacDonald 300/1

Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock infinity/1

Gordon Broon 6/1

80

Alec M,

Falkirk 07/05/2008 18:35:38
IT'S (almost) TIME ....

to watch Alex Salmond on Channel 4 News from 7pm. this evening.
81

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 18:40:17
109. Bring yer own.
82

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07/05/2008 18:43:54
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 18:49:03
From Scottish Labour web site

"Wendy Alexander has put change – in strategy, policies and the constitution – at the heart of Scottish Labour’s agenda for winning back power"

Well, they have that correct at least.
84

Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 18:55:53
Gordon as ever is right what has been called for is not a referendum but a 'WENDYRENDUM'..Bring it on i say.





A good politician does not allow ones opponent's to know your strategy..although it is wise to inform your supporters what you are doing and why.

From the 'Good unionist Handbook'
85

Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 19:01:22
I have been told on good authority Wendy has been replaced by clone with faulty unionist D.N.A created by a mad 'nationalist' scientist. This explains her bizarre behavior somewhat

And Wendy is being held underground in a cellar somewhere in Austria..........
86

acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:09:04
117

She could quite easily suck the mortar from between the bricks with those lips and effect the kind of escape not seen since Colditz..however trying to escape from her lies is quite another proposition!

87

Ian Hendry,

Boston 07/05/2008 19:11:51
What a joke this labour mob are and why do they hate Scotland so much, time this pathetic PM and his pathetic representative in Scotland are given the boot...

88

Talorthane,

07/05/2008 19:22:07
I think there is a clue to what Wendy Alexander meant to say, in that disastrous interview, in her statements immediately beforehand.

She had said:

"We shouldn't delay it until the very FAG END of this parliament"

With this kind of language, I think, she must have thought she was in the pub, talking to her mates.

So, maybe what she meant to say was: SING ALONG !!
89

acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:22:42
119:
Maybe i am naive but the Labour Party in Scotland can't continue like this. They feel so under threat from the SNP that they just seem to be resorting to anything to try and halt the SNP's progress. Desperate times desperate require desperate measures..but really!
However i am not naive enough to believe that they have done this 'off the cuff'. They have their people on the streets and they know what their constituencies are saying and this, as far as i am concerned, really displays just how desperate the Labour party are.
I think independence might just be closer than people imagine.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:24:49
117. Wendy of Mass Dementia?

120. Song choice for the Wendy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdm6QXxgrYo&feature=related
91

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 07/05/2008 19:26:21
Labour in la-la-land. How can ANYONE vote for such an incompetent shower?

Don't fancy the odds posted on #109. Good to see the line of incompetence stretches far down the Liebour ranks.
92

Truely English,

07/05/2008 19:26:31
I read that Scotland is soon to get some 200 English Channels in the near future. This will help everyone to keep up with politics worldwide and give a much better view on what is happening than can be had at the moment.

Is this service going to be paid for by the English tax payer once again?

Whatever the cost will be, it will help keep our precious Union intact.
93

 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:26:40
120. Maybe this is a better song for the Wendy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC0rD-ZaIyE&feature=related
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:28:22
120:

I noticed that as well, strange language when you consider it could be the most important decision the nation takes in 300 years.
But as i am not a politician i can quite happily say she is as finished as a 'dog end'.
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07/05/2008 19:32:07
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:35:13
127. LOL

Poor the Ciderman. One can feel the pain of a slathering Labourite as his party combusts and melts doown in contradictions, lies and confusion. Poor we soul.

Now then Cider old bean, who should we believe - the Wendy ("bring it on") or the Gordon ("she never said that", and who now refuses to comment)?

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:37:41
127. Here's a wee song for CiderPete and Labour

http://tiny.cc/Fc8z7
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Talorthane,

07/05/2008 19:38:17
Ayrshire Scot

Good choices. But I'm sure there couldbe alotof fun with the lyrics from Ball of Confusion.


Acanthus

I thought in that interview that there was something far wrong; I wasn't sure whether it was a hangover, being forced to say something she didn't want to, or her just exploding in frustration.

But, now I think it's definately the fag-endy 'er career.
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Forres 07/05/2008 19:38:59
Be Warned; there is some Good and some Very Bad advice on the Internet. Some internet remedies recommend using Boric acid. This toxic substance is a poison and has caused deaths. It has no place in anyone's home much less inside you!

I will Honestly explain what works, what is safe and what is effective in treating yeast infection. And I will point out the dangers of other recommended treatments.

GOOD Advice is hard to find, but look for some one who has done their research, can prove it and will stand by their recommendations. The good news is you have found it!

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acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:39:10
Seems Gordon Brown is the one afraid, after all Wendy wanted it and Gordon bottled it (again).
The SNP are no idiots, miles ahead in the polls and making a fool out of 'dinosaurs' like you and the one thing they are not is spineless, unprincipled liars like your lot.
If the SNP are idiots what does that make the Labour Party, you have been made a fool of today and exposed for what you are, liars, cheats, cowards and have been breaking Scotlands back for 30 years..even the national media is laughing at you...no bloody wonder! Soon the English won't want you neither do the Scots..where do you go now...nowhere lol
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Lastsocialist,

Europe 07/05/2008 19:39:23
Labour are obviously a bunch of incompetents. Hopefully with a Tory victory at the next general election the Scots will finally see the huge advantages of independence.

What the hell has the Alexander woman been taking recently?
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Silent Hunter,

Stirling 07/05/2008 19:39:24
Forgive me?

But was this woman not found guilty of accepting cash bungs?

Why is she then, still lying her way around the television studios when she should be doing time for fraud?

Is this all Scottish Labour stand for?.............

SLEAZE & CORRUPTION!

Yes indeedy! :O)

This is hilarious............watching New Labour come apart at the seams.

BRILLIANT ! :OD
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Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 19:40:13
I care not a fig what youse Nat's say Wendy has my 100% support and when i figure out what she is up to I'll still support her 110%.
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Hamish Scott,

07/05/2008 19:40:18
Gordon Brown LIED twice during PMQ.
The Commons Speaker (Scottish Labour) covers his back from a point of order from an SNP MP.
The Scotsman reports it in its usual damage-limitation weasel words as in this article.

Is this what we are in danger of losing if we choose independence?
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 19:40:45
For i am Ciderman cure of the yeast inside you .
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:41:33
129:

At least yeast develops..you kind of life form does not.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:43:07
136. Gosh Cider, Wendy Alexander said last night that Gordon Brown backed her "bring it on" plan for a referendum. No he doeesn't. Did Gordon lie to Wendy or did Wendy lie to us?

And itw as only a month ago Wendy said "a referendum is not an issue for any serious thinking politician" - then she said yesterday she wanted one, and would tabel a bill for it?

Can you help us make some sense of this Cider? You have the "pulse" of the Labour party (flat-lining as they are)

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:43:30
139. Fakey desist and begone
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:43:45
136:

Salmond is at least 1 vote closer to delivering it..Wendy supports it now LULZ
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Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 19:45:53
here is a better song



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvz1LNZ5OQ
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 19:46:07
Oops Ciderman sorry for focusing on the Labour Party...our fault, you are quite right..although i do think now is the time to remove the word 'party' from Labour..not many parties going on tonight..especially in Forres lULZ
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 19:50:39
#127 Thank you from our correspondent at Carstairs Hospital.


In other news, First Minister Alex Salmond gave an insightful, educated and rational analysis on the current debacle facing the Labour party, both North and South of the border on Channel 4 News tonight.

Commenting on the WENDY's strange couple of days he said, "The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly coloured and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people."

And finally, a snake learned to rollerblade today, here's Wes Mantooth with the feature.
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Talorthane,

07/05/2008 19:50:49
How about this for Gordon to sing:

"The highway’s jammed with broken heroes
On a last chance power drive
Everybody’s out on the run tonight
But there’s no place left to hide
Together Wendy we can live with the sadness
I’ll love you with all the madness in my soul
Someday girl I don’t know when
We’re gonna get to that place
Where we really want to go
And we’ll walk in the sun
But till then tramps like us
Baby we were born to run "
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:51:28
133. LOL - is that the conversation Wendy said she with Gordon last night when he backed her referendum policy? This may be Wendy's song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo4SblJ_SnU
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 19:53:23
146. Ciderman - no thoughts then on why Wendy said Gordon Brown backed her referendum U-turn? But then refused to do so today?

Any thoughts on why Wendy said it was not an issue for a "serious thinking politician" then took it up?

Come now, bring it on! LOL. ROTFL.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 19:58:05
Scotland has an unrivalled opportunity to succeed by gaining the powers and responsibilities that can only come with independence and equality in the modern world.

The reality of the 21st century is that the processes of independence and interdependence are one and the same. As our world becomes ever more interconnected in terms of trade, international relations, the environment and security, the case for nations having a voice at a global level becomes ever more compelling.
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It is a progressive process that has been under way for more than half a century. In 1945, the new United Nations was established with just 51 member countries. There are now nearly 200, including more than 30 new members since 1990. It is by becoming independent that nations can maximise their influence in our interdependent world.

For Scotland, independence would give us a voice and votes in the European Union, where we have many vital interests at stake, and also enable us to act on our instincts for internationalism, emulating the success of other small countries, such as Ireland and the Scandinavian nations.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 19:58:51
In opposing independence, the unionist parties demonstrate a poverty of vision for Scotland, forever relegating Scotland to a parochial role as part of an unequal Union.

When the prime minister says there are global issues that are shared matters of interest, I agree wholeheartedly. But I also believe that Scotland, as an independent country, can and should participate in the global solutions to these challenges. Indeed, I believe that to engage in such a way is our international responsibility.

On many issues, such as tackling climate change, developing renewable technology, or ridding our planet of weapons of mass destruction, it is very clear that the Scottish contribution would be more progressive than the response of governments in London, past and present.

When Gordon Brown implies that issues such as avian flu or foot and mouth are capable of only a British solution, the subtext is that he wants to take powers back from Scotland to London as part of the constitutional commission, or review, or working party - a scheme over which Downing Street has clearly asserted total control.

In reality, there is not a farmer in Scotland, nor anyone interested in the rural economy, who would want control of any future foot and mouth epidemic to be vested with Defra, the department blamed for the release of this destructive disease into the farming community and which then, under Treasury diktat, refused to accept the financial responsibility.

The lack of any credible example to justify reversing powers back to Westminster betrays the weakness of the case in opposing the process of more responsibilities coming to Scotland.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 19:59:22
Surveys indicate that most people believe the SNP Scottish government is doing a good job. Many of our landmark policies took effect this month - including the restoration of free education, with abolition of the graduate endowment, the start of the phased scrapping of prescription charges, the council tax freeze, and the roll-out of the Small Business Bonus Scheme to promote enterprise and jobs.

Poll evidence also supports the case that as the SNP demonstrates how Scotland can be governed well in the devolved areas, so we will build the case for Scotland to be governed equally well in all areas.

This week, a poll showed a 10-point surge in support for independence since last summer to 41%. Similarly, the negative attitude being shown to the Scottish government and Scotland by the UK Labour government is getting a strong reaction in Scotland.

Westminster's unreasonable behaviour now encompasses threatening to withhold council tax benefit, trying to block local income tax, refusing to apply Barnett consequentials properly to prison spending and Olympic regeneration funding in London, and demanding payment from Tayside and Fife constabularies for security at the G8 and St Andrews summits.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 19:59:56
The more that Westminster tries to lay down the law north of the border in clearly devolved areas, the greater the support there will be for independence and equality for Scotland. Bullies always get their comeuppance, and the reaction to this behaviour from London will be no different.

Whoever is running London Labour's campaign of aggression against the Scottish government, one thing is clear - it isn't anyone based in Scotland, or with a scintilla of understanding of Scotland.

Ten years on from the height of new Labour's power under Tony Blair, this latest campaign is a sad effort at control freakery. Unfortunately for them, it is all freakery and no control.

The new Labour project in Scotland is in its death throes. With a dithering leadership in London and an incoherent approach in Scotland, Labour is trying and failing to exert the iron grip it once had and took for granted - and it is totally uncomprehending of the loss of power and the new political reality it finds itself in.

New Labour is making a loud noise in Scotland only because it is an empty drum.

The positive and forward-looking agenda for Scotland is about people being in charge of their destiny, with the right to choose the nation's future. The SNP's referendum policy reflects and promotes the new politics.

The Scottish government's first choice is to have a simple for-or-against referendum on independence through a bill introduced in the Scots parliament, but we are perfectly willing to include the option of enhanced devolution on a ballot paper if the London-based parties can agree on a specific scheme.

Labour members will struggle to explain their opposition to allowing the people to choose their own future in a multi-option referendum - even one which includes their own preferred option.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 20:00:21
In 1992, it was Gordon Brown himself who demanded that all organisations support a “persistent, determined and concerted” campaign to force the then Tory government to accept a multi-option referendum on Scotland's future. He was joined in that clarion call by the late Donald Dewar and John Smith.

In my view, the right of self-determination and enabling Scots to exercise their sovereign will in a referendum is not something that applies just in times of Tory governments at Westminster, but at all times. And that is a concept that has overwhelming support among people of all political parties and none.

Independence also means the maintenance of the social union between Scotland and England, and the other nations of these islands, based on a 21st-century relationship of equality.

The SNP's commitment to the Queen remaining as our shared head of state - just as she is head of state of 15 other Commonwealth countries - symbolises that social union between our nations.

It is a progressive vision for a modern Scotland - a nation that governs itself wisely and fairly, and is also a good citizen of the world.
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 20:04:05
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you a toast,

The WENDY, we'll all miss her when she's gone. Never has someone with so much alleged intellect failed to deliver so woefully. The WENDY.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 20:04:09
156. Cider, oh you do make me chuckle. Do you see me everywhere?

I note you have no thoughts on Wendy saying last month " a referendum is a distraction from the serious issues of health and education" then yesterday demanding a referendum and today being slapped down by Gordon Brown?

Poor poor Ciderpete, his only defence as his Labour party collapses in total confusion is now just to write "Salmond opposes a referendum, which is why itw as in the SNP manifesto and they have published a white paper setting out the timing for it".
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 20:05:12
157. To the Wendy! Never have so many been so confused by so many U turns. God bless her.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 20:06:36
156. IS Wendy a Gordon glove puppet (he seems to have shafted her today) or a wee puppet on strings? Snip snip.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:06:41
156:

The tack tonight is that there so long as ther are such stupid goons as you in this country we will never prosper.

Wendy LIED or Gordon LIED and yet you still support them, you are pathetic and a disgrace! This country deserves better than liars and cheats and the moronic ant like mentality you display!
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 20:10:06
This is even worse for Wendy. Yesterday there was talk of the labour party introducing it's own referendum on independence before 2010. Now that Gordon Brown has ruled that out so decisively, not only will that not happen (unless we get another u-turn from bendy-Wendy) but when the SNP does produce it's referendum bill, the Labour party in Scotland will have no choice but to vote for it or Wendy will lose all credibility.

The most likely result I think is that Wendy's days are numbered.
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 20:15:00
#164 Thank god he did change his mind. After years of labour pygmies, Scotland has a leader willing to fight it's corner.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:15:47
164
Like Gordon pretending he had no agreement with Blair you mean when they clearly did (lie).
Salmond is allowed to come back into politics and change his mind if he wants, his perogative!
Statesman yes his is..probably the only one Scotland has unless you consider the honest and truthful Wendy that is LULZ
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Talorthane,

07/05/2008 20:16:02
Richardinho

Not only that but Gordon Brown has, inadvertantly, given up anyopportunity to question the SNP's timing.

In (mistakenly) criticising the SNP for not sticking to their manifesto commitments (on the timing of the referendum), he has placed himself and the party in a position where they cannot criticise them for sticking to the actual manifesto date of 2010.
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Phil C,

07/05/2008 20:18:41
#164 Cyberman 000

Please come back to planet Earth. On second thoughts, Nah!

Your comments are irrelevant and childish as ever. Just stay on planet Numpty. You won't be missed.

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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 20:21:22
I'm worried, what are we all going to do when the WENDY goes?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia Alba 07/05/2008 20:26:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziPgOBlkrjE

A song for UUendy (Thank you 20, Davie08 and 27, Ayreshire).
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:26:17
171: Ciderman

I think you are the losers somehow. Gone from Westminster at the next election, gone from Holyrood already LULZ, certainly gone again at the next elections in Scotland LULZ, cooncil seats eveaporating LULZ, bacckbiting, infighting, confusion, dissaray, lies, deceipt, disgraced, no hope, no future, no leader...yip the planet SNP is pretty good at the moment and not one person will bemoan your dissapearance..nice to see your bitterness devouring you though..LULZ again
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Phil C,

07/05/2008 20:26:47
This is the best piece of Labour pantomime I've seen in a long time. If it wasn't such a serious mistake, it would be quite funny. Many people's hopes were built up, on both sides of the argument, by Wendy's apparent bow to democracy; only to be shattered by the Brown man's fear.

Hopefully it will merely dent what's left of Labour's ragged reputation and persuade more of the good citizens of Scotland to give them a wide berth when next it's time to place that X.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:27:40
Ciderman:

Best go to the Forres Foundation for a bit of meditation, you are just not chilled dude!
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Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 20:28:50
Grasping the thistle

"Many will criticise Wendy Alexander's wisdom, but no one now can question her courage in seizing control of events instead of being driven by them. She is the first Scottish Labour leader who has finally grasped the thistle."

Iain Macwhirter..you Nat's love him don't ya don't ya

Actually it is a interesting article

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/iain_macwhirter/2008/05/grasping_the_thistle.html


"in a sense, the SNP has been its own worst enemy, running such a successful devolved administration. It has demonstrated that the existing settlement is actually very powerful for Scotland, allowing the Scottish executive to move a whole range of popular policies from cutting prescription charges to removing bridge tolls; from abolishing student fees to rejecting nuclear power (even though nuclear issues are reserved to Westminster). The SNP minority administration has frozen council tax and promised to introduce a local income tax; ended private sector clinical involvement in the NHS; and ended the right-to-buy for new council homes. The SNP will now have to demonstrate in very convincing terms just why Scots should opt for the leap of faith into independence, when they can just keep adding powers to the parliament they've already got."
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:34:22
What consistency..hahahaha...you are a joke making this statement after the last 72 hours..are you effin serious hahahaha
You will not admit to any inconsistency with regard to the Labour party when the whole of GB Inc is laughing at them but think we should concentrate on why Salmond came back to politics..get a grip of yourself you clown before you big red nose falls off!
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 20:35:46
#177 Gord loves a trier Nikos.

Are you responsible for posting this piece of cleft licking nonsense on Nick Robinsons blawg?


"1. At 12:33 pm on 06 May 2008, Charles_E_Hardwidge wrote:

This is a shrewd and brave move from Wendy Alexander. By robbing Alex Salmond of his straw man argument almost his entire programme for governance goes up in a cloud of smoke, and by giving people what they want Wendy Alexander?s star will shine accordingly.

Another plus from this may be that resolving the Scottish question may help provide a counterbalance to London and the, mostly, insignificant Mayor Johnson. A strong Scotland would be confident and assist the English in throwing off the arrogant yoke of a self-serving financial industry.

Wendy for the win-win. Hazzah!"
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 20:37:38
#177 ian macwhirter, fyi, used to be something of a 'hammer of the nats'. I still don't think he, like many in the media, actually understand Scottish nationalism. He imagines that the SNP would be content simply to sit in power in holyrood indefinitely and drop the commitment to independence. In fact nothing could be further from the truth. Every nationalist I know would take a referendum tomorrow if it was offered up-because regardless of what any polls say, every one believes in their heart that it would be winnable.
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Phil C,

07/05/2008 20:39:20
#171 Cyberman

Planet SNP is a wonderful place! It's based on common sense and fairness, not some party political agenda. We welcome everyone. Come and join us if you can tear yourself away from the selfish and damaging brainwashing received from LabHQ.

The rest of the universe can look extraordinarily appealing when you take off the red specs and stop believing the geeky and inaccurate press spouted by the Lab spin machine, which is then translated and printed in sheep baa baa for the followers of the great socialist god called Nulab. My spin dryer can't keep up with it and it does 1200rpm!
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:39:54
181..CiderClown
Adventures with co-co the clown they may like but hardly likely to think much of you sophism my friend!
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 20:40:02
#175 'You mean thank God he made a U-turn. '

Yes, that's what it was, a U-turn, not a lie. Thankyou for conceding that.
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Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 20:40:49

No but i wished it was...........ha ha ha

cant make what ian is up to or is it his down south mode of journoism bit different from his herald scribbles.um
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 20:40:49
#181 Ciderman are you a tad lavender in your sexual proclivities?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 20:40:54
Gordon and wendy, best of pals

http://tiny.cc/xIElP
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 20:49:14
nikos you quoted

"in a sense, the SNP has been its own worst enemy, running such a successful devolved administration. It has demonstrated that the existing settlement is actually very powerful for Scotland, allowing the Scottish executive to move a whole range of popular policies from cutting prescription charges to removing bridge tolls; from abolishing student fees to rejecting nuclear power (even though nuclear issues are reserved to Westminster). The SNP minority administration has frozen council tax and promised to introduce a local income tax; ended private sector clinical involvement in the NHS; and ended the right-to-buy for new council homes. The SNP will now have to demonstrate in very convincing terms just why Scots should opt for the leap of faith into independence, when they can just keep adding powers to the parliament they've already got."

Because the answer to that NIKOS is

IF THATS WHAT THE SNP CAN DO WITH A MINORITY GOVERNMENT JUST IMAGINE WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH INDEPENDENCE.....................
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 20:49:29
190. We know that Gordon Brown is a family man, Behold

http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/view/1xhPG7PRvVFnvoixTCvgaKOB
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 20:50:06
A driving instructor in Forres asked his pupil if he could make a U turn.





The pupil replied, "no but I can make her eyes water."






Baaah baaah baaaah.




;o)
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:51:09
I think you will find that appetite at the moment is between 35% and 40%.
Scots have no need to march on the streets anymore really as we will have the referendum in 2010 as promised.
No doubt you will take your red clown nose off at the election, pur a blue one on and vote for Cameron (as Labour will be a complete joke by them)..but hey you can still vote to preserve the Union at all costs...fancy 20 years of conservative rule do you (you being labour an'all)?
Good luck with your tactical vote in Moray LULZ..hope to see you in the circus when it visits LULZ

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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 20:51:48
190 Ciderman 542000,Forres 07/05/2008 20:47:19
Independence? Bring it On!, # 187

I suggest that to be an SNP supporter you have to be "a tad lavender in your sexual proclivities."
Is Alec Salmond the leader of the SNP homosexual? The rumours that he is are persistent; can you answer?

i think you are mixing your party leaders up there ciderman

naws whit a mean wink wink.....westminster.......and the lords are a leaping as well........wink wink...
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 20:52:16
#190 Ciderpete, that's the equivalent of saying, "No you!"

In #181 you intimated that you turned down the attention of "many gorgeous women" in favour of chatting on-line with bored men.

Don't feel threatened I'm not questioning or challenging your sexuality.

PS Are you still enjoying being fisted by Mad Dog?
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 20:53:18
Wendy Alexander;
http://www.whitworthfamily.org/27Oct2002-WallPapering-03.JPG
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 20:53:54
Mary had a little Sheep,
She took it to bed to warm her feet,
then she saw it was a ram,
Mary had a little Lamb.
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 20:54:30
192 lol classic.................
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 20:55:37
wot do u call a Forres man wiv a sheep under each arm?







































a pimp!
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 20:57:50
An Eskimo was on holiday in Forres when his car broke down.

A local man stopped to help, and looked at the engine.

"You’ve blown a seal" he said.

"So what" said the eskimo,

"At least I don’t shagg sheep like you....."
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 20:58:09
Cyber,
Yes indeed..so many hot women in Forres want you it must be tough to tear yourself away from them and then to get your ass kicked by nationalists in every pathetic argument you raise; what a Labour die hard (on) you must be! Yet more LULZ!!!!
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 20:58:45
Mary had a little lamb

It ran into a pylon

10,000 volts went up its aaass

And turned its wool to nylon.
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 20:59:54
200 breaking news breaking news

the NHS is suffering a surge in patients suffering from a strange new disease. Most of these patients are presenting with huge gashes in the lateral aspect of their abdominal walls they also present with watering eyes gasping for breath and laughing hysterically the only similarity between them all is that they all keep repeating wendy alexander gordon brown woo ha ha hoo.

Doctors keep stiching up their sides and sending them home but days later they represent with the same symptomes usually after reading a paper or watching the news..............

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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:01:59
An Australian bloke was walking down the street in Forres when he saw a farmer going hammers and tongs on a sheep the Aussie yelled out, "hey mate in Australia we sheer our sheep," and the farmer turned around and said, "fcuk off mate I'm sharing none of this."
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:03:42
q)wot do u call a Forres man will a sheep under 1 arm and a cow under the other!




















a) bisexual
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:04:11
you know just when you think labour cant get any funnier they do.........
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Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 21:04:21
191

Kain its not me who said it it was luvvly Ian you know the one you nats always say how good he is and wot brilliant articles he writes in the herald..don't ya


Must admit he's a proper unionist ya cant trust him no way
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:04:43
Q: What do you call a sheep tied to a lamp post in the middle of Forres?



















A: A Leisure Centre
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:06:01
212 Was better the first time. Who would have thought they have two leisure centres tho?
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Nikostratos,

07/05/2008 21:06:12
Karin...oops sorry must go night.......That Ian he is a toerag
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:08:22
the world has gone mad.....it really has....im SERIOUSLY i mean SERIOUSLY thinking that gordon brown and wendy alexander are closet nationalists. its the only explanation i can come up with for them doing all the things they have done.........

what other rational explanation is there. Because the way they are both behaving is not rational its just NOT................
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 21:08:25
For goodness sake i know we are all happy but give Forres a break! Anyway:

A man walks into a bar in Forres with a sheep under his arm and the barman says 'where did you get that?'
The sheep replies: Forres High Street, there's loads of them there!
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 21:08:45
I'm presuming as Ciderpete hasn't commented on Mr Adair's versatility with his fists, that he's finding the experience pleasurable, if not a little stretching.

Hopefully Mad Dog isn't wearing one of these when he's looking for his lost car keys and his lost innocence.

http://tinyurl.com/6e29gy
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:10:47
What’s the definition of 4play in Forres ?
"Git in the truck, bitch!"

What time is it in Forres when a guy finds a sheep with it’s head stuck in the fence?
Mountain Time.

Why do men in Forres wear button-fly jeans and kilts?
Because sheep can hear a zipper for miles.

How do Forres men find a sheep in tall grass?
Quite satisfying.

Why did God create Woman?
Cuz’ sheep can’t cook.

A man from Forres went to visit Nairn to check out the sheep.
While driving down a dirt road, he spotted a sheep with it’s head stuck in the fence.
Not one to let opportunity to pass, he goes and mounts the critter.
A minute or so later, a rancher drives by and catches th guy in the act.
He stops the truck, runs over to the scene and says "Let me tell you somethin’. Around these parts, them sheep’s for shearing!"
The Forres man says "Let me tell you somethin’, Mister I ain’t shearing this bitch with nobody!"

Forres council announced that they have discovered some new uses for sheep.
It’s called "wool" and "mutton".
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:11:19
Fcuk sake 4play ist verbotten.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 21:13:29
It's 12:15 in Moscow and you are all more pissed than i am at 9:15..disgrace!!!!!
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:13:50
Q. What do you get ...when you cross a sheep with a Forres man?





















A. I don’t know, but I’ve seen it tried.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 21:14:25
Ciderman:

Don't knoock Stornoway, some fine looking sheep there! Better than the muppets in Forres!
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:14:26
228 ciderman shows his experience when it COMES to sheep..........
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:15:52
228. Paisley Cider Pete

as you are the the pre-pubescent love toy of Johnny Adair, I respect your dibs on mad-dog, and whilst flattered by your invite to join in your frothy and sweaty unionist hoggins with said Adair, I shall decline, for fear your squealing "no surrender" while mad-dog Adair pounds on your trap-door may do permanent damage to my hearing. Thanks anyway
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:16:11
The local Meenester was making his rounds through the countryside served by his church. The Meenester stopped by farmer Cidermans sheep farm and seeing little Johnny outside the Meenester asks, "is your Dad home?"
Little Johnny answers, "yes, Dad is out back, follow me".
As they arrive at the back of the barn there is Jonny’s Dad porking a sheep.
The Meenester looked at Johnny and asked, "does’nt this bother you?", and Johnny replies "Naaaaaaah!!"
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:17:00
jesus next thing wendy will be declaring independence without the referendum........

i dont think i can take any more hilarity.......

is it possible to die from laughter im just wondering because the way things are going it may happen to me.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:18:57
A Forres farmer buys several sheep, hoping to breed them for wool, chops, etc... After several weeks, he notices that none of the sheep are getting pregnant and phones a vet for help.

The vet tells the farmer that he should try aritifical insemination. The farmer doesn’t have the slightest idea what this means but, not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he will know when the sheep are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will stop standing around and will, instead, lay down in the grass and roll around when they are pregnant.

The farmer hangs up and gives it some thought. He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means that he has to impregnate the sheep. So, he loads up the sheep into his truck, drives them out into the woods, has sex with them all, brings them back and goes to bed.

The next morning, he wakes up and looks out at the sheep. Seeing that they are all still standing around, he concludes that the first try did not take and loads them into the truck again. He drives them out to the woods, bangs each sheep twice for good measure, brings them back and goes to bed.

The next morning, he looks out at the sheep and finds that they are all still standing around. He decides to try one more time and loads them into the truck, drives them out into the woods, spends all day shagging the sheep, brings them back and falls into bed, exhausted.

The next morning, he cannot even get himself out of bed. He asks his wife to look outside and tell him if the sheep are laying in the grass. "No", she says, "they’re all in the truck and one of them is honking the horn."
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 21:19:01
#223 Sigh!

Is that is good as it gets Pete, why not just give me the vicky and say my mum smells.

Sheesh you used to be much more entertaining when you lived in Paisley inside Johnny's lubed gimp box.


(awaits response a long lines of ya boo and sucks)
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:19:09
cider pete stop it my sides hurt i cant take anymoore
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 21:19:45
Well i am a long way from home and had a very cheerful day and evening so thanks to the Nats and the Unionists for the banter...nice to see we can all at least have a laugh despite hating each other!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:20:04
239. I am a Labour party member and think Forres is a dump full of pre-pubescent mad-dog Adair Unionist love puppets.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:20:46
242. Spooky, that is exactly what Cider Pete says to mad-dog Adair between squeals of "no surrender"
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:21:38
#232. Meths whats the secret, i promise I will keep it safe.
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 21:21:39
#242 Karin XxX

That's what Johnny said when Cidery Pete gave him a reach-a-round...
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:23:08
247 wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh please stop it the terars are runing down my face............
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:23:59
oh my god i cant breathe for laughing..........
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07/05/2008 21:25:48
#247. Whit the fcuk is a reach around ?
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 21:27:15
#250 Ask ciderpete, he's an expert allegedly.
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:30:05
254 cider naw thats gordon..........everyone knows that.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:32:57
There is a drunk Sassenach in a Glasgow bar. He stumbles over to a Scotsman watching an Old Firm game and says to him: "You Scottish?" The Scotsman says: "Yes I am."

The Sassenach sits down with a grin and says:"We have a sayin’ in Ingerland: ’Scotland is the grumpy and whining neighbour above a really great party.’"

The Scotsman says: "Really? Well, we have a saying in Scotland too: ’England is like SCOTLANDS basement. It’s where you put all the crap and try to forget about it.’"




Glenmorangie time goodnight all.



YES WE CAN.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:33:33
254. Now, now Cider Pete babey, it was I think Gordon Brown who shouted at the top of his voice in a restaurant "I am not gay, I am not gay" - doth he protest too much?


Here, from Lord Levy's book, where he describes a meeting with Gordon Brown:

'Mandelson's telling people I'm gay... and I am NOT GAY', says Brown

About 20 minutes into the proceedings, a hunched and dishevelled figure walked in, unceremoniously plopped himself down in a chair and, without so much as looking up, took out a pen and began scribbling notes..

Gordon was friendly – at least until I explained my mission.

"Make up with Peter?" he hissed in an angry whisper.

Then, as his voice gradually rose from dispatch-box volume to a near shout, he exclaimed: "Peter? He's been going around telling everyone that I'm gay! And I am NOT GAY!"

Dozens of people looked around in astonishment, no doubt assuming that I had tried – and thankfully failed – to proposition the Shadow Chancellor.

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Ugly George,

edinburgh 07/05/2008 21:34:55
Why are you concerned over whether Alex Salmond is homosexual? Do you fancy him?
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07/05/2008 21:35:17
#256. BET YOU COUNT SHEEP, BAAH BAAAH BAAAH.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:36:04
254. Are Labour anti-gay then Pete?

Thought so. Except for Gordon and Mandy - my, what a revelation Lord Levy's book is.... chuckle.

Hey, how about that interview in the independent with Gordon Brown where they felt the need to "probe" Gordon over persistent gay rumours....?
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 21:36:32
Ciderman
Sorry previous post (262) is addressed to you.
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A voice from SCOTLAND..,

07/05/2008 21:36:44
#261. It says a lot for the sheepy sex drive that someone was able to father you. Daaady.
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Independence? Bring it On!,

07/05/2008 21:37:38
#262 ARF!!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/05/2008 21:44:01
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How much do you charge him?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

07/05/2008 21:45:08
273. Cider babes, I can honestly say it would make no difference to me if Gordon Brown is gay, other than thinking him a slightly bigger liar. I did not raise the sexulaity of leading politicians as an issue, you did. Why? As for DNA tests, these can be fooled by a turkey baster.

Now do tell Cider Pete, how do you really feel about today's dreadful confusion, press coverage and melt down of the Wendy?
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Saoghal Beag,

07/05/2008 21:45:39
Methalions, my deepest sympathies to your goat, will the therapy work, will it ever recover, suppose it could be worse, could be wendy and her wee brother!
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Saoghal Beag,

07/05/2008 21:48:44
277 no Gordon is not gay, couldn't possibly be with a face like a wax works stood too close to a radiator. No he is straight as a die. no gay man would step into the wild world looking the mess that he does.
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karinxxx,

07/05/2008 21:49:43
night meths
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Conan the Librarian™,

07/05/2008 21:50:04
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Practice makes perfect Meths.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 21:54:05
On topic,

Oh, UUendy aint goin' marching in
Oh UUendy aint going marching in

We're all awake from our slumber
UUendy aint going marching in.
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puskas,

East kilbride 07/05/2008 21:55:35
Ciderman,

I feel so sorry for you. Have you been cloned from Wendy...

LOL.. You must have a few bolts missing surely...

Have a wee rest fellow Scot...
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Col. Blimp IV*,

07/05/2008 21:57:29
Grahmski is pished on the other thread and is giving away Unionist "secrets".

He said that the reason Ciderman is so obsesive about Salmond is that he thought the FM was gay.

And is hacked off because Eck rejected his advances and worse still made fun of his tiny majority.
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Saoghal Beag,

07/05/2008 21:58:44
meths, tasmanian devils tend ot be a bit nippy too, like peterhead fishwives, only they do have a more pleasant nature and don't have that funny fishy smell....they are starting to sound attractive, the devils that is.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 21:59:12
Thought for the day.

The Findhorn Foundation land backs onto the ammo dump at RAF Kinloss. There is green for you.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 07/05/2008 22:02:19
Ciderman

Thought you'd gone to the Basque Country?

Anyway, what do you think of Gogs' today? Finger on the pulse or what? Was it not enough to have one Labour leader commit political suicide without another following? It is sad though. A once great party with real leaders, reduced to this.
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A1,

07/05/2008 22:16:17
Ms Alexancder is the best thing that has happened to Scotland for a very long time. Every time she opens her gob; independence for Scotland draws closer. It will not belong know till Gordon discards her.

SUCH A PARSEL OF ROUGES IN A NATION.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 22:21:36
Further to 301. The Burghead watermain runs through RAF Kinloss too and the local authority has no, well local authority, in the camp - the MOD is a reserved matter. So if the ammo dump blows up and Burghead is cut off from its water supply, then the local authority is unable to repair it.

There's democracy for you.
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Danny Mather,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 22:23:57
MSPs proposing legislation need the support of 18 colleagues from at least two of the major parties and rules also state the lawmaking process cannot be started if the Holyrood government of the day plans its own legislation on the same proposal within the parliament's four year term.
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Col. Blimp IV*,

07/05/2008 22:37:10
Painting party in Forres this weekend.

Bring your own paint and stencils.

Ring 01309 542000 for details.

Ask for Pete.
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 22:39:16
Symptoms of Yeast Infection, Candida, Thrush

•Painful Sex or Sexual dysfunction •Vaginal Odor •Premature Aging •Vaginal Discharge •Arthritis •Depression •Chronic Rashes •Tiredness or Fatigue •Poor Memory •Irritability •Joint Pain or Swelling •PMS •Feeling Rundown •Digestive pain •Muscle Aches •Short attention span •Hand pain •Hip and Knee Pain •Headaches •Acne •Respiratory Infections •Memory loss •Lowered Immune System •Lowered Self Esteem •Skin problems •Impotence •Gas •Hand pain •Depression •White Vaginal Discharge •Hypoglycemia •Menstrual Pain •Urinary disorders •Skin Lesion•Shortness of Breath •Food allergies •Learning and Memory problems

Please note that i suffer from all the above symptoms and more.
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 22:41:15
Andrew BOD # 303

I am a woman suffering from thrush and it is a horrendous condition. I am Pete the thrush.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 22:41:36
308, Apfelweinsäfer,

You are in denial. The only armed personnel around your neck of the woods are military.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 22:42:34
That should be säufer
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 22:44:43
Learning and Memory problems is one of my main problems. I think my location used to say Paisley but now i am in Forres. It must be all this thrushing about with my Labour party Urinary disorders or labour urianry councils .
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 07/05/2008 22:46:00
Ciderman

No. No violence. Out of the question.

I think the support for independence in a straight two-way referendum would surprise you greatly. And it would come not just from Scots but from other ethnic groups as well. Wendy is playing with fire and 'The Establishment' won't like it.

However, I don't believe it's as simple as that. The Devolution settlement was meant to kill off independence. Instead, it has highlighted even more problems with the UK political landscape. As a result, people living in Scotland want more powers, and if it means extending devolved powers, so be it. However, I firmly believe the journey wouldn't stop there and Independence would come eventually.

Doesn't really compare to the picture you paint of 'Navarre'.
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Col. Blimp IV*,

07/05/2008 22:50:40
#312 Jock Tamson

He probably saw "The Guns of Navarone" in the TV guide, did the customary Unionist arithmatic...and got 5.
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 22:52:45
#315 Andrew BOD,Aberdeen/shire

Doesn't really compare to the picture you paint of 'Navarre'

Andrew BOB thanks for your reply. I don't like to paint pictures but i like to paint the walls in my house a nice creamy colour. This creamy texture i like is from the Yeast extract that ooses out of me every day.

It does leave a rather bad smell in the air but the yeast creamy colour is worth it. I have an endless supply of yeast. Once i thrush i just paint and brush.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 07/05/2008 22:52:58
Ciderman

310, 314

And to think I was having a serious conversation. How stupid of me.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 22:54:36
http://www.wendyalexander.co.uk/

Hohoho...the picture with her sitting beside a plod with knives is particularly funny..think that will not happen for a long time again..on public safety reasons of course!
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Col. Blimp IV*,

07/05/2008 22:57:05
#318 Ciderman

23/6/10 You will be permitted to turn and flee...If you are that way inclined.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 22:57:52
318:

And what was the date of Wendy's referendum again exactly? ..oh yes..now, no i mean next week, next year..no wait a minute Gordon..never..ahh ok i will pretend that i didn't mean it and nobody will notice LOL..

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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 22:57:58
#320 Andrew BoB

310, 314

And to think I was having a serious conversation. How stupid of me

Sorry both of those posts were fakes.

Strange Yeast infection symptoms occur.They vary from person to person. And with one person the symptoms can change from day to day. These symptoms may vary based on the person's general health or genetic makeup. This is the one of the reasons that there are so many different symptoms.

75% of the population, it has been estimated, suffer from some sort of yeast infection at some time in their life.

To treat yeast infection you have to treat what caused the infection in the first place. The root cause. Everyone knows what a flare up of vaginal yeast infection or diaper rash is. You get some medicine and it clears up, right?

But did you REALLY cure the infection or did you just treat the symptoms?

Yeast is a large part of me and that is why i use the name Ciderman 542000, a type of yeast.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:07:58
324:
How interesting. could you spend more time typing long posts on yeast and a very interesting use of your time ;-)
I love a bit of psudoyeastology..so intellectual..but just a little too much German philosophy there for my liking and guess what...yeastology has moved on ;-)
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indune1,

07/05/2008 23:08:16


The only good things yeast is for is the baking of bread and the brewing of beer.

Ciderman you are absolutely barking. Has the yeast infection gone to your brain?
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 23:09:39
Apfelweinsäufer. I was in Forres and worked at RAF Kinloss.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 23:11:17
Anyway, on the subject of pathos regarding UUendy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xKeHwXFa88&feature=related
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:12:01
325:

"The situation in "Navarre" is quite subtle. There are the Spanish Basques and the French Basques. The Spanish are more militant. But, the two groups do not act as one. The French authorities are very pragmatic and very ruthless in clamping down on Basque terrorism over the years. The Spanish have given them certain autonomy in certain areas in the Spanish Basque country and their violence still continues"

Wow, you shold be writing for Time magazine (your maximum level) with such insightful statements..mmm..interesting..are there really Spanish and French Basques..well what a surprise to everyone..such insight LULZ..what a nob you are!
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 23:16:56
Somebody get that stupid Labour cun# of news night. He must be a SNPer killing labour.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:17:37
325:

"The first act of violence by Scottish nationalists, and it will happen"

There is a prediction, violence from Scottish Nationalists..this guy is not P.J O'Rourke really is he really although to be fair he brough to the worlds attention that there are Spanish and French Basques and that the situation in Navarre is 'subtle' (whatever the hell that means)!
I wish all political thinkers had such far a far reaching vision and deep understanding LULZ!
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 23:19:34
Andrew BOD # 320

I suggest that you check who has posted at the numbers that you refer to. The Labour clone drones are at work. When he has no answers, Wendy Alexander send them to work.

Nobody here wants to answer questions on Wendys non-existent referendum, Wendys lifestyle or any question pertinent to the SNP political mirage. The Labour party have spent their miserable existence greedily grabbing for power and now when they have a meagre taste of it they are obsessing about the SNP when the real enemy is in their midst; the Tory party, evinced by the Tories dictating their recent budget.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 07/05/2008 23:19:43
Wow! Gordon Brewer just gave Iain Gray a savaging. The wee guy nearly did a runner.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 23:22:05
The Ciderman is losing the plot, ho, ho.
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 23:22:31
Ian Gray was so confused he thought he could speak Portugese!
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:22:47
331: Scotlands P.J O Dork

I am so angry that i will kill any SNP supporter that walks in front of me. I am spitting blood and foaming at the mouth with all this SNP stuff.

We should really report this kind of stuff to Wendy's care worker!
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Yeti,

07/05/2008 23:23:03
I don't know how many people saw Newsnight Scotland, but Ian Gray will have to head for B&Q to get a new door to replace the one he was nailed to. I especially liked Brewers's one liner that Labout had handed Alex Salmond "the cards, the poker table and the casino". Classic. The rest if the interview was a scream too. The best laugh I've had watching Newsnight in a very long time
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 23:24:04
Oh i am so angry now that i am spitting spit all over my monitor. I am purple with anger and i hate the SNP.

I will kill very soon if the SNP win any more support. Scotland is Labour and Labour only. Long live lanark.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:24:50
He is however an expert on the 'subtle' situation in Navarre and those different French and Basque peoplie thingies LULZ
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 23:26:19
Seems Wendy hadn't even read the rules of Holyrood-She isn't even allowed to introduce a bill which the government already intends to introduce!
I've always suspected that her so called massive 'intelligence' was nothing more than hype and self importance.
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:28:12
Great to know that from his base in Forres he can sort out the 'subtleties sort of' problems of the Frenchie and the Spanishie sort of probs..i bet they are just waiting for his next contribution to the political philosophy of the country LULZ
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 23:28:42
Would Ciderman 542000,, not allow Ciderman 542000, the space to make his own comments? Please.
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 23:28:51
#337 Jock Tamson,Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 23:22:05
The Ciderman is losing the plot, ho, ho.

Yes i am losing the plot and ever since you ousted me as a fake living in forres i have gone apeshit.

The SNP are destroying the core New Labour values in that they disagree with us on our 10p tax robbery from the poor.

Do you honestly think i would stay in a place like Forres ? a town in an SNP constituency, Get real.
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 23:31:45
Lord i am so angry that i have just lifted my whole house up and chucked it in front of an RAF Nimrod.

I am the incredible sulk
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 07/05/2008 23:33:26
332 Ciderman 542000, Forres (with one comma I take it)

Salmond will have a referendum in 2010/2011 as outlined in the Government White Paper - no U-turn there. That's if he gets enough support in Parliament, and he should now???. Wendy, on the other hand is the one with the non-existent referendum. She will not be able to raise a private-members' bill at Holyrood and will not get the support of Nicol or Annabel.

What has Salmond's lifestyle to do with anything? He doesn't seem to have a life outside politics.

Then there's the "SNP political mirage". Is that the mirage that has tackled and delivered (as a minority Government) on more issues than the LabDab pact could even think about? AND the people of Scotland have clearly recognised and welcomed their success.

What I'd really like to know - you've been asked several times - is what YOU make of Gordon and Wendy's agreement / non-agreement debacle today?

Are you going to evade the question again?


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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 07/05/2008 23:36:42
348, Fake Ciderman. What a dunderheid you are. Had you been able to contain yourself a Nimrod would eventually have come down into your house. Then you would have got the insurance money plus a big payout from the MOD.
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Ciderman 542000,,

Forres 07/05/2008 23:37:49
Good night everyone and mind not to bush with poor quality yeast thrush.
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Richardinho,

07/05/2008 23:39:19
Tried to find Wendy's performance on yesterday's Newsnight. Unfortunately the BBC web site only had the English version with some story about cliff richard being cheated out of eurovision in 1968!
And paxman has the cheek to complain about Newsnight Scotland!
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acanthus,

07/05/2008 23:39:51
346:
Nobody cares where you are from i am guessing so stop thinking you are in any way important or anyone gives a s**t..but you have displayed clearly to everyone what a complete dick you are.
Even if (giving you the benefit of the doubt) you are a troll you are a particularly thick one...most are subtle..you know like you spanish and french thingies in that subtleie thingin happening over in France/Spain thingie place .
Unfortunately you are just a bit of a weakling, little wit or intelligence or that subtleie thingie...clown!
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Nebulous,

Aberdeen 07/05/2008 23:56:58
Richardinho - yesterdays one should be there. Enter "Newsnight Scotland" into the search facility on the iplayer website. Unfortunately tonights version isn't up yet. I fancied seeing it again!
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John PM,

Edinburgh 08/05/2008 10:15:12
"Matters were made worse when it emerged that Labour could not, as Ms Alexander had said it might do, bring forward a bill to have a referendum and force the SNP's hand. This is because the SNP has already tabled a white paper and indicated that a bill will be brought forward before the election."

How did it emerge? It emerged when Alex Salmond told John Snow on C4 news that Wendy was so utterly incompetent that she didn't understand the Standing Orders of the parliament! Ha ha ha!

 

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