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Published Date: 18 September 2008
THE Conservatives have smashed through the 50 per cent barrier in the polls for the first time since Margaret Thatcher's heyday, a further blow to Gordon Brown's struggling leadership.
An Ipsos MORI poll published today showed the Tories up four points on 52 per cent.

The news comes amid reports that another member of the government is set to quit within days over Mr Brown's leadership.

Eric Joyce, the Falkirk MP and parliamentary private secretary to John Hutton, the Business Secretary, is reportedly considering resigning after the Labour conference which begins this weekend.

And James Purnell, the Work and Pensions Secretary, added to Mr Brown's woes when he said in an interview with the New Statesman that it was "ridiculous" to condemn colleagues who voiced concerns.

"I think it would be ridiculous to pretend that you can't complain when you're worried," he said.

"I mean, I'm worried that we're 20 points behind (in the polls].

"I'm not going to condemn people or question their motives. (But] I don't agree with what they did," he said, referring to their call for leadership nomination papers.

Mr Purnell, who is tipped as a potential future leader, also refused to rule out supporting a future leadership challenge, saying merely that the question was "hypothetical".

The spate of critical outbursts which follow the resignation of David Cairns, the Scotland Office minister, have threatened to overshadow Labour's conference in Manchester.

And the eve-of-conference poll gives the Conservatives the biggest lead since August 1988, a year after Margaret Thatcher's third election victory. The survey shows the Tories are up four points since a similar poll last month, Labour unchanged on 24 per cent and the Lib Dems down four to 12 per cent.

The result undermines the Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg's attempts to rebrand his party as a tax-cutting challenge to the Tories after a week of media coverage at his party conference in Bournemouth.

People also have a more positive attitude towards the idea of a Tory government, as opposed to simply being tired of Labour, with 54 per cent of those questioned agreeing that Mr Cameron's party was ready to govern – up 19 since last month.

Another embarrassing resignation could be around the corner, however, after Mr Joyce was reported to be considering quitting after the Glenrothes by- election.

It came after a TV interview yesterday, when Mr Joyce offered muted support for Mr Brown when asked if he backed a leadership contest.

"Gordon is going to make a big important speech on Monday and lay out his vision and then we're going to go and win the Glenrothes by-election," he told BBC Scotland's Holyrood Live.

Asked if Mr Brown categorically had his 100 per cent support, Mr Joyce added: "It's absolutely essential that we are unified and see what Gordon has to say on Monday."

He later told The Scotsman: "I have no intention of resigning as PPS to John Hutton. I support Gordon Brown 100 per cent for conference and the Glenrothes by-election."

Asked if he would quit if Labour lost, he said: "It's not a question I can consider. I'm confident we will win."

Earlier, Defence Secretary Des Browne had warned would-be dissenters that there was "no alternative" to Mr Brown.


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  • Last Updated: 17 September 2008 9:32 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Labour Party
 
1

Angus Ogg,

Glenrothes 17/09/2008 22:31:15

The big shock is neither Scotsman Political Journo's Eddie Barnes, nor Gerri Peev have picked up on material posted on THEIR very own Boards ?

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7th September 2008.....

Forecast Gordonhttp://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/PM-faces-windfall-tax-defeat.4466669.jp

Quote post #32......

"The info., came from a friend. She still has some time for the Labour Party parties. Not much point in reposting as notwithstanding Galactic Waffler Eddie claptrap above, the same post will likely be deleted in the same way.

Time will tell on this one. My own view was like many others: Gordon would NOT go by his own will. From what I understand, there was a wobbly around the time of the Glasgow CBI thingy and TWO MINISTERS, NOT THE USUAL SUSPECTS, along with a couple of other folk got a wholly unexpected response from Big G., which was one of resignation with a small "r" as to his future. A precursor to resignation with an upper case "R". No big clunking fists, just heartfelt contemplation of when is a good time to go."

Original post #1 on that thread, which Scotsman evidently deleted for some reason, indicated that if Big G., wasn't prepared to at least consider the resignation issue, at least one of the Ministers wasn't wanting to resign, but hadn't the heart to stay either ! Sound familiar ?

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Fast forward 10 days and The Scotsman FOLLOWS the press pack with.....

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/-The-babyfaced-assassin-deals.4498109.jp

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To quote the 7th September 2008 Scotsman thread....

"Where are McWoodward and McBernstein when you need them :@)"..... AKA McBarnes and McPeev !

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If these guys would only check their own websites they might stand more chance of Pulitzer Prizes than just following the pack.

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The last quote from Scotsman Board of 7th September 2008.....

Suffice it to say, that if Gordon Brown resigns on or before Friday 21st Nov
2

Angus Ogg,

Glenrothes 17/09/2008 22:32:10
=================

The last quote from Scotsman Board of 7th September 2008.....

Suffice it to say, that if Gordon Brown resigns on or before Friday 21st November 2008, then some idiot at the Scotsman would have lost themselves a sizeable journalistic scoop.

The questions that should be asked, are: Who was the other Minister that talked with Gordy near to the CBI Thingy in Glasgow? Why is Gordon actively reviewing his odds? Why is the preparatory work being put in place by Number 10 for a STOP MILLIBAND and PURNELL operation? Last question: which Cabinet Minister will likely resign before the end of the Labour Party Conference?

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Come on Scotsman Newspaper, get your journo's out of Thompson’s Bar on Morrison Street, and into proper investigative journalism. Jings
3

Dunnie,

Canada 18/09/2008 00:37:06

Rome burns but Gordo - the master fiddler - cannae fiddle any longer.
4

Willie,

18/09/2008 00:39:09
What a load of drivel
Who in their right mind will vote for the party of the greedy who say they will look after the needy?
They have only knee jerk policies.
Won't criticise hedge funds, speculators or spivs.
Get their funds from people in tax havens.
Will privatise everything so that their supporters get richer and we the working people of britain pay for it.
Does nobody have a memory of what it was like prior to 1997?
Sleaze - they invented it!
Ministers went to jail, brown envelopes were handed round etc.
52% - there can't be enough gullible people or maybe there is?
Bumpy ride ahead.
5

subrosa,

18/09/2008 01:04:20
The quicker Gordon Brown goes the better. His contempt and destruction of Scotland makes Maggie Thatcher look like a saviour.
6

karinxxx,

18/09/2008 01:30:08
when is the scotsman going to realise that this article is too little too late. They now have no chance of saving this paper and i expect it to go to the wall any day now.
7

karinxxx,

18/09/2008 01:31:19
the comments on these boards used to number in their hundreds and now that the vast majority of people support the snp no one wants to read their labour supporting guff. I just drop by now and again to see how far they are falling.
8

Guga II,

Rockall 18/09/2008 01:46:34
Maggie Broon had better have ordered the removal van. He'll be needing it very soon; unless he's planning on a midnight flit.
9

Dunnie,

Canada 18/09/2008 01:48:05

Karin - my piano-staining luvly, I still review the threads seeking your commentary.

I miss it as I do your sultry and pithy style.

Was in Scotland a month ago. Lovely to be back.

Cheers, Dunnie - leader of what appears to be a defunct MacKee Army.
10

Dunnie,

18/09/2008 02:16:51
*Please enter your comment*
11

Dekester,

Canad's westcoast 18/09/2008 04:07:19
10 and 11, You are spot on. The Scotsman really is a joke. We were home a few weeks back, and never considered reading the Scotsman.

It is really surprising how wrong the editorial staff got the mood of the people.

All the best.
12

Keith Lagden,

18/09/2008 04:16:31
Overheard in 10 Downing Street,

Gordon: If you see me leaving the sinking ship, you are to assume the role of Captain.

Rat: Yes Sir I can do that, but not very well.

Gordon: Just do it, It doesn't really matter now.

Rat: Ok Sir Ok Sir I am now the Captain

Gordon: Good luck, OMG where am I
13

Ursus arctos horribilis,

18/09/2008 05:51:22
Unbelievable-so Liebour and the clown in No10 still have as much as 24% support- who exactly are these people who can still support the worst government in living memory?
14

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA..for more WAR..VOTE McCain 18/09/2008 06:23:13
Angus Ogg,Glenrothes

Hey Dude ,

On my way back from Australia earlier this year , I stayed at the Holiday Inn in Glenrothes.

My GF and I found a terrific fish-n-chip shop near-by

Remember dude "that time is natures way not letting all things happen at once"

Have a nice Day

GC
15

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 06:51:10
Will the next PM invite Comrade Broon to Downing Street for tea??

I bet he doesn't!!!
16

Boy Wonder,

18/09/2008 07:06:57
If people think the Tories are going to do any better than Labour in Govt are doing right now ... they are seriously deluding themselves.

17

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 07:12:29
#20 Boy Wonder,


New Labour Sleaze and the Tories are both right wing.

Thought you might have noticed!!

The only hope for Scotland is voting SNP
18

Linda,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 07:23:24
Salmond is right. Brown and Darling have killed off Bank of Scotland and put thousands of Scottish jobs at risk.

Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling are to blame for failing to introduce measures against short selling and tighter FSA regulations 18 months ago after Northern Rock debacle.
19

Boy Wonder,

18/09/2008 07:38:21
#21. Where did I say they were any different??
20

steve 1511,

aberdeen 18/09/2008 07:49:45
eric joyce a liebour m p for falkirk,famous for topping the expenses league,who lives in south croydon ,his wife teaches in south croydon,his kids go to school in south croydon,his family home is in south croydon,no wonder his travel expenses are so high,how can this chancer of the liebour sleaze and corruption party claim to represent the people of falkirk
21

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 07:51:34
#24 Boy Wonder,

Sorry, you didn't.

My mistake ;-)
22

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 07:57:16
Joyce's state of denial is not only astonishing but dangerous. To have a "goverment" so jam-packed with people as far removed from reality as this imbecile
is rather frightning. Thank goodness they will soon be a thing of the past.

The fun and games in Scotland will really begin once the tories take power in englandshire.It will be the death nail for liebour once and for all, as their ever dwindiling "Gang of the talentless", lose all support from Westminster.

Who do the unionistas think the majority of Scots will vote for then ?.
23

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 08:08:09
Who can be possibly be surprised. When you're the most incompetent prime minister probably ever, in charge of a lying, useless government, how can anyone be surprised their support is vanishing.

The only disappointment is that some people somehow still support them. Just how much worse would they need to get (and would that even be possible) for their support to vanish completely.
24

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 08:20:53
You can see the panic beginning to spread amongst the snouts at the trough.

Whatever they do ie stick with Comrade Broon or elect another useless clown, is irrelevant.

New Labour Sleaze are about to disappear and not a moment too soon.
25

Kornelius,

Aberdeen 18/09/2008 08:29:16
Are people suffering memory loss?
Remember Remember the tories were not voted back in because they were not very good back then.

They are still no good!

Please Vote for anything else but the tories!

All the 2 main parties are good at is disagreeing with each other and their ideas or suggestions and causing conflict.
If someone ( from what party matters not )suggests a good idea for this country it should be embraced by all.........sadly we have a points scoring system in place and all the good is lost in the mire!
People wake up! Do not vote for the same old parties, they got their chance didn’t they?
Its not the leader that is wrong it is the parties apathy and disregard of joe public. Oh, I almost forgot, they also are very interested in lining their own pockets!
26

JT,

18/09/2008 08:30:22
It must be nice on "planet broon" where his job is safe no matter how much he screws up - (unlike the rest of us mere mortals). I bet he's relieved that the tory popularity cant be acted upon by voters at a general election. Time to make voting compolsary - although with the toffs in charge of the tories will it make any difference to the average person in the street, dont think so.
27

Kornelius,

Aberdeen 18/09/2008 08:34:11
The politician we all should fear is the Femi-natzi herself ( The deputy Prime Minister ) Harriet Har-man.
Yes she is well named and she is insane!
Lest ye forget, Har-man was responsible for all the DWP ( department of works and pension )poisoned policies that she administered a few years ago!
Head for hills guys! Whats that smell?
28

John H,

edinburgh 18/09/2008 08:44:39
Anyone seen or heard of David Cameron recently? Probably sitting in some office of a hedge fund manager asking how much of a donation the party will get get. Lets not kid ourselves here. His convenient disappearance from the scene in times of trouble stinks. Not a hint of condemnation of these short sellers, not a hint about the red tape that is obviously required to cease situations like this for once and for all. If ever a case for regulation of the financial service industry was required it has been made now. Get rid of red tape, there is not enough of it.
29

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 08:50:59
Well, Brown's admiration for Thatcher has certainly paid off........for the Tory Party!
30

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 08:55:44
The question really is when will Comrade Broon go?

I can't see him resigning and the party soiree next week won't sack him.

In the weeks after the soiree, I think the spineless, chinless wonders will do the dirty and ditch Our Dear Leader.

There won't be an election of course.
The new Dear Leader will need time to explain policies and visions and have a relaunch.

The one thing they don't want is the Tories examining the books as I think there is a time bomb sitting there.
31

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 09:05:39
#35 The problem for liebour is that their undemocratic party rules mean they can't simply vote him out, or indeed remove him unless he wishes to go. No chance of that.No, I feel he will hang on to the bitter end which of course is the best possible news for the SNP.

By then, even the most rabid unionista will hate the sight of him. What's really telling is that liar supreme, Tony Bliar has not once come to the Liebour party's aid. Not one scintilla of support. Tells you everything you need to know about this dreadful bunch of champage socialists.
32

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 18/09/2008 09:10:00
Think carefully. Gordon Brown filled his Cabinet with his chums from Scotland and between them they made a right mess of everything. What will happen to Scotland when they have a government consisting of nothing but Scots? I'm as Scottish as a haggis but would like to think that I don't have my head in the sand. It needs more than political wannabee's to run a country. It needs a cross section of the brains and business acumen in order to get the balance correct and to ensure that every section of the community is looked after.
33

Cheradenine,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 09:20:10
#1 The big shock is that you think any of those people read these boards. I don't even know why I a....
34

11+failed,

the pans 18/09/2008 09:26:54
Every year of Brown as PM guarantees an extra 4 years of opposition for Labour!
35

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 09:39:17
#37 joppa, if you think the englandshire dominated goverments of the 70's and 80's are something to aspire to,then your standards and aspirations, are even lower that the typical new liebour voter.

Salmond, and his all Scottish party are head and shoulders above any party in Britain. Or would you disagree with that ?
36

Stop buy Scotsman,

18/09/2008 09:44:11
The truth is Gordon Brown is secret agent for the Tory. That why Maggie visited him at 10 Downing Street to give him final instruction how to destory labour party once for all.
37

Doh,

18/09/2008 09:46:24


There lies, damn lies and opinion polls.

The tories will not get over 50% of the vote at the next election no matter how much money spend on buying votes.

As Nick Clegg said at the next election you change the prime minister but you wont change Britain. That will become clear during the next election.

Britain doesnt need another phoney-tony PM.
38

SimonHurrll,

England 18/09/2008 09:46:29
With this sort of support suugested for the Main Opposition Party in Westminster not only will they succeed to running the UL but it may, or perhaps will, be pointless having a Scottish Parliament.
The most obvious thing to do now is go for a referendum in Scotland before the Dissolution of the UK Parliament and see what happens.
Good luck with the option.
39

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18/09/2008 09:47:03
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 18/09/2008 09:47:48
'Tis the end of civilisation as you know it in Scotland with these startling statistics about the vile Conservative party.

After the excesses of the 1980s, as brilliantly delineated in Alan Hollinghurst's Booker prize winning novel and the film, "The Line of Beauty", which I recently viewed,if the the Conservatives have a resurrgence it will be more of the same arrogance, wretched excess, graft and corruption, sexual shenanigans of all types and perversions (but that is endemic to ALL political parties), fiscal mismanagement, and general sumptuousness verging on the disgusting.

A curse on the House of Conservatives and its vile members and supporters.
41

Tory Heaven,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 09:52:19
Ah, nice to see some good news amidst all the gloom :-)
42

Senga Jean,

Scotland for sale to the lowest bidder. 18/09/2008 09:53:11
Why did the Westminster government allow thieves to take my retiral investments? Regulation to stop unfair practices is what government is about. Oh how I wish Scotland were Independent and we had a government led by someone as savvy in financial matters as Alex Salmond. Small countries can protect themselves (and that does not mean protectionism if fair trading is involved ) and there are myriad examples. We in Scotland are now ASSET STRIPPED. Wake up for the sake of our children!
43

brownlie,

18/09/2008 09:54:47
38 cheradenine

I can assure you that they do read them. Whether they act on them is a totally different question.
44

MT,

18/09/2008 10:16:35
Surely the Tories getting into power can only be good for Scotland . No one will want to live under them and
support for the SNP and independence will become deafening.
45

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 18/09/2008 10:35:03
#40 Yes, I would disagree with that!!!!
46

WL,

livingston 18/09/2008 10:39:53
Why would Eric Joyce wait with his resignation till after the conference. If he wants to quit he should do that immediately.
47

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 18/09/2008 10:48:42
How anybody is able to distinguish between Labour and Tory party policy is beyond me all I know is whichever one wins Scotland loses.
48

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 10:59:26
#50 So go on then. Please share with the group the name of the uk political party, performing better than the SNP.
49

Number 6,

Germany 18/09/2008 12:53:35
#50 Earth calling Joppa jock
Earth calling Joppa Jock.
We await your reponse. Repeat, we await your
reponse. Over.......
50

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18/09/2008 13:03:26
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suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 18/09/2008 13:04:39
54

The notes printed in this country are worthless abroad and are not even legal tender anywhere outside of Scotland.
Yet another union benefit.
52

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18/09/2008 13:28:59
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/09/2008 13:52:33
#20:

You delude yourself all the time---and so do you Timmy Baby!

Brown and stupid labour should go to the country NOW. It is the only decent thing left for them to do and hopefully, the next election will send them permanently into oblivion.
54

James.com,

18/09/2008 14:04:51
There are a disproportionate number of Scots in the Labour Govt. and they are doing a disproportionate amount of damage to Scotland. Was their childhood really so unhappy?
55

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 16:02:32
Sam,

You really are an odious article.

I take it you'll be one of the knuckle draggers that turn up at Ibrox every fortnight and shout about the Queen, The Pope and ruling the waves.

You should read the posting by Albamac and hang your head in shame.


I'm a father of 7, grandfather of 16, ex-professional soldier and a Scottish Nationalist. My family, like many others, has a huge stake in the future of our country.

I'd supported Labour from my early teens until my late fifties. It took me that long to abandon the forlorn hope that New Labour could deliver the fairer society that so many of my forebears and fellows had struggled for since the beginnings of the Labour Movement.

My grandfather and uncle died in the service of a nation that never was - Britain. My father served throughout WWII with comrades from around the British Isles and the world. My son-in-law had served in three wars by the time he left the Paras and planted his feet, permanently, on home soil.

New Labour is a collective insult to each and every Scottish soldier. While they polish their @rses on office chairs and spout their dishonest, derisive drivel, young Scots are fighting for their lives in Afghanistan and Iraq. Would Cairns or Browne dare to denounce any one of them on the grounds that their vision for Scotland's future doesn't serve the interests of the criminals and parasites who infest the Labour benches at Westminster and Holyrood?

We need only listen to the outpourings of cringing cowards in the Cabinet who, with blood and bile dripping from their twisted lips, dare to praise the courage of our soldiers and recite the stomach-turning eulogy that follows their deaths. Des Browne's nauseating performances are worthy of special mention, here. They would shrivel the souls of the living and the dead. He is a perfect example of the character and calibre of New Labour's finest! Men and women who, at every opportunity, snigger, sneer and openly insult our homeland, herit
56

Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 16:05:18
63 Continued,

. They would shrivel the souls of the living and the dead. He is a perfect example of the character and calibre of New Labour's finest! Men and women who, at every opportunity, snigger, sneer and openly insult our homeland, heritage and history, and have the effrontery to claim that they are our best hope for the future.

Exposed liars, thieves and fraudsters, unperturbed by the misery that they've caused and impervious to the law, retain their positions and are allowed a voice in both parliaments. These are the people who author our laws and govern our lives! A criminal fraternity telling us how much better our lives would be if only we'd abandon all sense of decency and become willing accomplices to their crimes. Other regimes have risen to absolute power on the strength of such promises with devastating consequences.

The Internet, television and the press is awash with fakers and frauds whose limited education comes from a well-stocked library of lies, provided and regularly replenished by the British Establishment and its propaganda machine. How could anyone in their right mind derive any hope for the future from the worthless doctrine of these heartless, hopeless bottom-feeders?

I can't understand why any Scot would offer allegiance to a political party that, for the preservation of its power in another country, would conduct a campaign of malice and menace against its own. Labour voters, who sustained them through the wilderness years, used, cheated, ignored and cast aside so that New Labour's mercenaries could continue to rob us of our rights, our pride and our treasure. Why do they continue to vote for politicians who are contemptuous of them? Many of them, I suppose, are gripped by the same kind of fear that causes people to cling to the deck of a sinking ship rather than take to the lifeboats. It's a well-documented phenomenon and such fears are understandable. Others, I'm afraid, value themselves and their fellows so little that
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Jimmy Le Pie,

18/09/2008 16:06:21
64 continued

. It's a well-documented phenomenon and such fears are understandable. Others, I'm afraid, value themselves and their fellows so little that they prefer to jump to the crack of Unionist whips. Their motives are alien to those of us whose lives are not wholly governed by self-interest. Most of us manage to ignore artificial barriers and accept genuinely held opinions and beliefs in the spirit of those who share a common experience. Those who lay waste the common ground set neighbour against neighbour, kill community and destroy the ties that bind us as a people are everyman's enemies.
58

Angus Ogg,

18/09/2008 16:13:56
#63
#64
#65

Well Said Jimmie Le Pie.

I would add, whatever else, and whatever political persuasion, at least Scottish Policics got a hell of a lot more interesting since May 2007.

59

Darien,

Panama 18/09/2008 17:17:58
Scotland betrayed again by the unionist/britnats, with Brown & Darling leading the rogues. What Scot can seriously vote for any unionist/britnat party now? An impoverished bust UK economy is Scotland's future unless it breaks free for good.

Scotland's model should be Norway's National Bank:

"Norges Bank is Norway’s central bank. The Bank shall promote economic stability in Norway. Norges Bank has executive and advisory responsibilities in the area of monetary policy and is responsible for promoting robust and efficient payment systems and financial markets. Norges Bank manages Norway’s foreign exchange reserves and the Government Pension Fund – Global. The objectives of the Bank's core activities are price stability, financial stability and added value in investment management."
http://www.norges-bank.no/templates/section____11339.aspx
60

it has always been allan,

18/09/2008 18:29:02
doesn't anybopdy like the poor delude megalomaniac of our PM.
has he not got any charisma.
no
or any real sense of right or wrong except what he thinks will become his vanity.

wjhen his end of office comes will anyone buy his memoirs.
61

lulach mac gille coemgain,

18/09/2008 19:53:45
Unfortunately in Scotland . . .

Q. What have Smokers and Labour voters got in common ?

A. Inside they know it’s bad for them - but they just can’t help themselves and keep doing it anyway !
62

Richard Lionheart,

18/09/2008 21:52:22
WE have a strong record on the economy, there is no more Boom and Bust WE have brought an end to Boom and Bust

G Brown
63

John H,

edinburgh 18/09/2008 22:28:03
Another day in turmoil on the financial markets and not a sign of Cameron or any of his muppets telling us what they would do. The heads must be well below the parapets and you have to ask why? No answers, no clue, no policies and no testicular fortitude. Brown obviously has lost the confidence of the electorate but he is more honest by far than any other party leader. At least he is visible, not hiding like a opportunistic mugger.
64

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 18/09/2008 22:32:10
Was that photo taken at the Bates Motel?
65

Itchy,

18/09/2008 22:47:00
#37 "Gordon Brown filled his Cabinet with his chums from Scotland and between them they made a right mess of everything. "

Correction, he has 3 Scots in his cabinet, not counting himself.

He has filled the bulk of them with Englishmen and women. Using your own argument, you should fear Scotland breaking away.

The problem is that Brown filled his cabinet with Labour bozos and they are dying out in Scotland.
66

WL,

Livingston 18/09/2008 22:48:44
#58
Are you sure that these banknotes are printed in Scotland? Scottish banknotes are as much legal tender as English ones.
67

Matt there,

somewhere 18/09/2008 23:37:14
76. "Q. Are the new banknotes legal tender?
Scottish Banknotes are legal currency – i.e. they are approved by the UK Parliament. However, Scottish banknotes are not legal tender, not even in Scotland. Interestingly, no notes from any bank - including the Bank of England – are legal tender in Scotland. Only the £1 and £2 coins are legal tender there..."
http://www.bankofscotlandhalifax.co.uk/HelpCentre/banknotes.asp
68

Matt there,

somewhere 18/09/2008 23:38:32
Brown shock. As in: "Jings! We still have as much as 24% of the popular vote?! I am shocked!"
69

Upandunder,

19/09/2008 15:36:49
Even more worrying for Gordon Mugabrown is that if the Tories were any good it would be more like 75 per cent!

To be as far behind that clown Cameron as he is is a disaster for Mugabrown.

Worst Prime Minster since Tony Blair, who was the worst since Margaret Thatcher (3rd term) then Neville Chamberlain.

 

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