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Candidates warming up for Glenrothes by-election



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Published Date: 14 October 2008
The rising cost of living was the battleground for parties in the Glenrothes by-election campaign today.
Labour set out an action plan for Fife, while the SNP highlighted its cut in prescription charges ahead of full abolition.

The by-election will be held on November 6 with Labour defending a majority of more than 10,500.

Local head teacher Linds
ay Roy of Labour today outlined a series of measures on anti-social behaviour, transport and helping families through the "tough times".

These include benefit "check-ups" to ensure older people get their full entitlement – including free insulation – and outlawing the "overcharging" people on pre-payment meters by energy firms.

He also wants to see a citizens' panel being set up to decide where new CCTV should go.

Mr Roy also called on his Nationalist opponent Peter Grant, the local council leader, to "get off his knees" and ensure the SNP plans for free school meals in primaries one to three are fully funded.

"He should go to his SNP bosses in Edinburgh and not come back until he has the money Fife needs to buy the schools meals for these kids," Mr Roy said.

Mr Grant was joined by public health minister Shona Robison at a local pharmacy in Cardenden this morning.

"The SNP government promised to reduce prescription charges as we move to abolish them altogether," he said.

"It is therefore good to meet local people who are benefiting from the delivery of this key commitment during a time of soaring of bills."
Mr Grant said the move had put money "back in people's pockets".

He added: "Labour ducked and dived on this issue, and it is fairer that people do not have to face the choice of paying for prescriptions or their heating bills.

"The reduced charges mean that everyone who pays for prescriptions will pay less."




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  • Last Updated: 14 October 2008 3:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Glenrothes by-election
 
1

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 14/10/2008 15:38:29
Can't wait for this one.
2

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 14/10/2008 15:42:34
The streets of Glenrothes are buzzing already and the mood is very pro-SNP. The voters really hate all of the negative stuff from SLAB and to a lesser extent the Tories.

This sort of stuff from Lindsay Roy is going down like a lead balloon.

"He should go to his SNP bosses in Edinburgh and not come back until he has the money Fife needs to buy the schools meals for these kids."

Mr Roy/Labour - the people of Glenrothes are not stupid. Stop treating them with contempt.

Actually, I hope you carry on regardless, but you have been warned!

3

danielrober,

14/10/2008 15:59:44
Most political parties around the world try to find common ground. Here the SNP and Labour party are almost identical. You don't need a meter ruler to record the difference you need a micrometer.

But that's the price of modern democracies, both the SNP and Labour parties are reading the same voter surveys taken by the same people. Oh well at least they are professionals.
4

mike3,

Midlands 14/10/2008 16:21:21
Right, now that RBS and BoS have been bailed out overwhelmingly by English taxpayers money, what is the preferred option of the SNP for Scotland's national bank? Clydesdale or Dumfermline Building Soc?
5

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 14/10/2008 16:23:15
#4 mike

Take it out of our oil money and then return the rest to us.

eejit !
6

Darien,

Panama 14/10/2008 16:31:21
#3 Danielrober: "Most political parties around the world try to find common ground. Here the SNP and Labour party are almost identical."

Main difference is one party believes in the ability of Scots to run their own affairs, the other does not (i.e. believe in the ability of Scots to run their own affairs). By implication, Mr. Roy does not believe in the ability of Scots to run their own affairs.
7

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 16:35:54
This could be a very dirty campaign. Labour will play the Iceland card to the hilt. Watch them scare some voters to their camp.

It might not be fair but it is politics. The SNP have been good at dishing it out - now can they take it? Salmond is not stupid - he knows he has to somehow deflect the byelection away from independence and onto the competence of his own administartion and the lack of competence (until recently) of Brown's.

We could have the bizarre sight of NuLabour playing up independence as an issue and the SNP playing it down!!
8

Resolutions,

14/10/2008 16:42:53
Why is Labour campaigning on things over which Westminster has no control? ie antisocial behaviour,transport(who got the new operator for Rosyth?) education.

Why not highlight what they could(and did not do) for Fife in the pensions, credits, jobs, defence(that is Black Watch territory is it not?) and so on?

I can understand SNP highlighting prescriptions as if we had freedom we could do so much more!

What are the others saying? Sorry?

And #4 In view of the fact Scotland pays a lot of tax too and sees very little directed in the way of Scotland, I suggest that you take #5's advice and ask for ALL owed to Scotland to be returned forthwith.
9

Alan B,

14/10/2008 16:45:03
Hopefully the electrate will give Brown the message his time is up. He has been a disaster both as pm and chancellor.
10

criochan,

Lochailort 14/10/2008 16:46:23
Funny, this article is the same, word for word, comma for comma, as one in today's Herald ... and that one doesn't have an author's name, either.

Odd, eh?

Do I smell a New Labour spin operation?

Shurely not.
11

Resolutions,

14/10/2008 16:48:22
#7 There is plenty competence in Holyrood, which is hamstrung by not having the full power to do what was and is required.

For that matter, why did Brown dither so long? And why did he not scream at FSA 'Do your job'?

He seemed to be positively enjoying seeing the banks struggle. Why were they targeted the way they were, because targeted they were?

And he still has not explained why some constituencies seemed to need an urgent by-election and Glenrothes have waited months, before it was called.
12

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 16:59:13
7

What Iceland card? are you referring to the prices in the supermarket? you surely cant be blaming that on the SNP as well?
13

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 16:59:48
#12 The electorate are a notoriously fickle bunch - mainly because a lot of them are economically and politically illiterate - tell a lie often enough and the lie becomes the truth - that's is what Labour will try to do with the Iceland issue.

Salmond is not as stupid as you appear to be - he has tried to play a non-independence route through out this. Apart from his populist dig at speculators he has been very mellow and conciliatory - sensible man. If you don't make a fuss then it is harder for opponents to have a dig at you.
14

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 17:00:10
#12 The electorate are a notoriously fickle bunch - mainly because a lot of them are economically and politically illiterate - tell a lie often enough and the lie becomes the truth - that's is what Labour will try to do with the Iceland issue.

Salmond is not as stupid as you appear to be - he has tried to play a non-independence route through out this. Apart from his populist dig at speculators he has been very mellow and conciliatory - sensible man. If you don't make a fuss then it is harder for opponents to have a dig at you.
15

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 17:01:46
7

Your right AS obviously isnt stupid but you obviously are if you think you can take anybody in with this unrealistic fantasy posting of yours.
Why dont you go find something better to do and leave the blogs for folk who want to debate the issues for real.
16

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14/10/2008 17:04:04
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17

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 14/10/2008 17:06:00
The SNP won't mind the Glenrothes By Election campaign concentraiting on independance one little bit.

The problem for the unionist partys is that they can't hope that once on the subject that they will get to pick and choose what aspects of independance will be debated and what won't, not that there is any that the SNP cannot deal with.

Just because the unionist media ans friends portray things as they not only want them to be, but as they hope the electorate would believe them to be, does not mean that it is so, which is something which is appreciated more and more these days by that very same electorate.

The job of the SNP campaign is as it has always been, to persuade the majority of voters that it is they who are telling the truth on whatever the subject matter might be, they have already shown that they are well capable of doing so when given a level playing field.

Which of course is why some unionists persist on distorting the truth. It is a pity though that these tactics have been used so quickly though by Mr Roy, of whom better could have been expected.

Unless of course he, like some of our councils it would seem, are not actually aware of what the concordat says.

I would have thought though that he would at least have been aware of the fact that councils freed from years of ring fencing, as they requested, actually have more freedom than before to spend money wherever they think it's needed, and in fact can now spend even more money on something if they think it's required.

This, as they agreed, along with the extra money they received, did provide the means to pay for school meals, which is why they agreed and they shouldn't let something like a by election get in the way of them doing so.

Using fear as an electoral weapon is nothing new, especially where unionists are concerned, but using meals for children is a new low even for them.





18

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 17:06:27
17

Maybe you can tell us exactly what Liebour or the tories actually represent? what is their strongest card to play?
19

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 17:17:26
#17

I have consistently argued here that this whole affair was not about independence or the union. I still stand by that.

However, in purely political terms I feel that it has somewhat deflated the Nationalist's position. It might not be fair but you can bet your bottom dollar that every time that independence is raised the unionist politicians will shout "Iceland" and scare some voters into voting against a nationalist position. In fact I'm surprised Labour have not got posters out in Glenrothes with "Vote SNP and get an Icelandic bankruptcy".

It might not be the reality but perception is everything. For many voters the perception will be that a small country could not bail itself out whilst a larger one did. That might not seem fair but it is politics. Repeat a lie often enough and enough people will believe the lie.

By the way , even the bookies think there will be some knock on effect of recent events. The Nats were as low as 2/9 to win in Glenrothes - they have now drifted to 2/5. I still think they will win but it may not be the landslide that many were predicting a few weeks back.
20

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 17:22:18
#18 It's such a strong card that they played it down at the last Scottish elections. Many voters voted SNP because they knew it was not a vote on independence - that vote would happen in 2010.

As usual when you don't have an argument you resort to name-calling. You don't change - even if your name does - Conan, Winged Messenger or whatever alias you have used before.

21

Vote UKIP,

14/10/2008 17:23:14
Sensible people will vote UKIP in Glenrothes.
22

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 17:25:35
#23 The UKIP are an irrelevence - lost deposit again methinks.
23

Arfur,

14/10/2008 17:48:00
#23 would you please stop posting that. NOBODY will vote for UKIP.
24

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 14/10/2008 18:04:26
Instead of talking about Iceland in Glenrothes,talk about Finland.It has the same 5 million population as Scotland.The Banks are stable in Finland because the Finns learned the lessons of the early 1990's and they have a government that has the power to prevent their Banks from taking risky decisions and overreaching.

The finnish example and many others demonstrates that the Banking crisis was due to regulatory matters and had nothing to do with size of country.In fact two large countries such as the USA and the UK have deep problems that will around for a while.In the UK this will include an increase in tax to pay off the loan to China,increased unemployment and a decline in the value of property.Last week an economist from the London school of economics stated that the long term economic future for Iceland was good because they had a lot of natural resources and an educated population.Unlike the Scottish government their government has the power to make the right decisions.If they learn from this,like the Finns did, they can be more careful in the future.If anything,this crisis has illustrated the limitations faced by any First Minister of a Scottish Parliament and reinforced the argument for independance,or at least greater powers.Since Gordon Brown contributed to getting us into this mess,I hope that the voters of Glenrothes will elect an SNP MP on the 6th November in order to remind him that he needs to accept responsibility for his past errors of judgement.
25

vimto,

14/10/2008 18:08:55
As Brown has has respected his oath," scotland first always.Scottish banks have cost the tax payer 25 billion,English banks 7 billion,how on earth did the bank of scotland think it could sustain buying the halifax when the halifax was bigger!
26

Robert Mason,

Larkhall 14/10/2008 18:36:05
Reports coming out of Fife suggest that Mr Grant will withdraw.
27

Richard,

Broxburn 14/10/2008 18:58:43
The idiot known as...

"The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON)"...

thinks overturning a 10/11,000 majority, isn't a landslide?
28

slap-dash,

Border Patrol 14/10/2008 19:03:59
Reports coming out of Larkhall Suggest "Robert Mason,Larkhall" just threw himsel aff the viaduct ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !
29

Ewan M,

14/10/2008 19:13:05
Good luck explaining the SNP's arc of insolvancy to Glenrothes and Scotland!!!!!!
30

Nevsky,

Moscow 14/10/2008 19:20:16
32 Ewan#

Care to explain the 'arc of insolvency'?

Iceland in the deep stuff (but less debt than the uk i beieve)...Ireland have all their banks and not cost the taxpayer a penny and Norway (as ever) having minimal impact on the economy.

Perpaps you can explain the UK with the highest ever national debt, money borrowed from foreign markets as the UK is cash bankrupt, impending recession, nearly 3x inflation, huge job losses coming and a policy of bailing out the banks that no-one has a clue what will cost?

Any ideas how Labour can turn this around and make us a s prosperous as Norway and Denmark?
31

Nevsky,

Moscow 14/10/2008 19:24:06
32 Ewan#

Oh sorry i forgot to mention hge job losses in the Fife area due to Scotland not having control of it's own banking system (who will lose not 1 job i believe).

Scotland unfortunately is tagged onto 'the ar*e of insolvency'.
32

Nevsky,

Moscow 14/10/2008 19:24:55
Ireland have not lost 1 job i mean!
33

Chris83,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 19:39:59
The fact is that no Scottish reserve bank would have half a trillion pounds to inject into the banking system as the Bank of England has done. Salmond and the SNP cannot answer that. It has burst the bubble of security that they began to believe themselves: that somehow Scotland would be better off alone.

If Scotland were to adopt the euro, which is the SNP's preferred option if I understand it correctly, then we could not have adjusted the interest rates to suit the British economic cycle either.

The SNP have got away with so much since 2007 due to the heavy SNP bias of the Scottish media. The nationalist cause is so simple-minded that even a child could understand it. "You're not Scottish unless you vote for us" No wonder so many people are fooled by the dream talk. Wait until the bills come in for this administration's policies in 2012. Salmond's aim is simple: Spend now, win a separation vote and then leave Scotland to its bankrupt "future".
34

Nevsky,

Moscow 14/10/2008 19:51:36
36 Chris#

Where have the UK government injected a trillion pounds? They do not and never have had that kind of cash. In case it escapet your attention the UK has borrowed the cash from foreign markets on commercial loans leading to the UK having the highest national debt ever and the worst in the whole of Europe!

You are talking about banks that are part of the UK framework so the argument is a completely hypothetical one; how Scottish banks would have developed no-one knows!

Perhaps you can explain how Ireland have not lost one bank and have not used one penny of taxpayer's money yet Scotland will lose two banks and thouands of jobs and the associated wealth?

Whearas Irelands banks have now been secured by a European guarantee..they will lose not 1 bank and few jobs!

The union just does not stack up and until people like you realise that the union is NOT acceptable at any cost then Scotland then we will continue to suffer like this and people like you will continue to be grateful for nothing!
35

Ewan M,

14/10/2008 20:13:16
Nevsky,Ireland has not lost one job...........woooosh!!!! Are you on Mars or in Moscow? Search for the arc of insolvancy! I think someone relaises that Salmond has no chance. Good night.
36

Richard,

west loothian 14/10/2008 20:19:34
Ewan M,

You misquote Nevsky, he said...

"Whearas Irelands banks have now been secured by a European guarantee..they will lose not 1 bank and few jobs"!

Not no jobs, silly boy.
37

Finnzz,

14/10/2008 20:24:03
"The SNP have got away with so much since 2007 due to the heavy SNP bias of the Scottish media" says Chris83,Edinburgh

Maybe in your galaxy Chris, but not in this one.

Theres a lot of miscomprehension going on about the status of banks and whether they are Scottish, or English or something entirely different.

Since RBS took over NatWest and BofS merged with Halifax, these banks have moved into the realms of multinational conglomerates. The only thing Scottish about any of them is the fact that their corporate headquarters are in Edinburgh.
In fact the best way of telling what country a bank belongs to is to examine the nationality of the shareholders. After all they are the ones that own it.
38

Chris83,

Edinburgh 14/10/2008 20:53:32
The government has got that kind of money and has used it to buy shares in various British banks. All over the newspapers last week.

With regards to Newsky #36, it is indeed hypothetical, but it doesn't seem to stop the SNP telling us how much better off everything would be if we were a separate state. That is in itself hypothetical. Similarly I shall expand further on the Irish situation.

There are valid arguments on both sides of the separation debate, but your pitch is based on exactly the kind of temperament which is in my opinion so blinkered and closed minded, and what makes so many Scots ashamed and uneasy about the direction our country is heading.

Finnzz #40 is of course abolutely correct to say that banks like RBS and HBOS are international institutions; the difference is that they are indeed big multinational conglomorates, whereas the Irish banking system does not pack anything like the punch that the UK banking system does on an international scale. It is therefore much easier for the Irish government to buy shares in them to keep them above the water line due to the number of shares and the relative cost. I would suggest that were HBOS and RBS operating as foreign to the stock market in London then there is no way that the Irish government could have injected cash into their shares like the British government has done, and they would have probably been bought over by foreigners, such as part of Lehmann Brothers was. We all know that in these situations it is usually only a matter of time before the jobs follow the same route as the profits. Remember that RBS and HBOS took part in some massive domestic mergers, like NatWest and Halifax respectively.

To move this on one stage further, I would be interested to know what the prospects are for the separation of Lloyds and HBOS after the recovery, bearing in mind that under normal circumstances the merger would probably not have been approved and that HBOS was solvent at the time.
39

jimboo,

near enough glenrothes 14/10/2008 21:44:03
people dont give a s@@t,apathy and more apathy, 40% turnout, sick to death of nat and lab polititians walking up and down without a clue to where they are. 7 nat 5 lab 2 lib 1 tory leaflet through my letter box and the campaign has just started. Peter Grant to issue bigger blue bins. Smileometer shows rise in labour spirits and drop in snp though both still sniling while the rest are grumpy baztards.
40

Vote UKIP,

14/10/2008 21:53:13
440 exceptionally intelligent people voted for UKIP in the 2005 election. I suspect the people of Glenrothes are a little smarter these days, so perhaps UKIP can get 2,000 this time around...
41

bumpkin,

14/10/2008 21:56:12
Funny how Brown started off giving freedom to the bank of england 11 yrs ago. Now he has just done a u turn.
I reckon the banks should have been left to rot in their own stinking mess. Now its the taxpayer in the mess.
42

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 22:26:49
21

You really are a slavering fraud.
WTF has Iceland got to do with Scottish Independence?
You dont compare Scotland to Iceland you compare Wales to Iceland or the Orkney and Shetland islands to iceland or the faroes islands you compare Scotland to Norway Sweden Denmark or Finland.
You slavering havering sh*t stirring little troll.
43

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 22:28:08
Let me take a wild stab in the dark and say that UKIP and the fake fed are one and the same idiot.
44

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 22:45:37
#45 The only phanny here is you - if you cannot see the political consequences of Salmond's Arc of Proseprity speech then it's a good job you are not an SNP election organiser. It's the last thing they want to talk about right now.

The crazy thing is that Iceland does not matter a jot in pure economic terms - it's the politics that matters - perception is everything.
45

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

14/10/2008 22:47:14
#46 I tyake that is a dig at me - cannot stand the UKIp - a bunch of BNP rejects who make Dennis Neilsen look like a well-balanced individual.
46

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 23:33:46
47

Phuq off ya fraud there are no consequences. Liebour are trying to create consequences from nothing as usual and fakey trolls like you are used to pass on the propaganda.
Like I said there is no comparison between Scotland and Iceland outside of the one Liebour are trying to create for the Glenrothes by election.
Or maybe you care to list the similarities between Scotland and Iceland?
If Liebour want to waste their time trying to win a by election by making such idiotic transparant propaganda then thats their funeral.
But quite frankly the SNP dont really need that kind of help Liebour are just so far down the toilet they can only get out by flushing.

47

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 14/10/2008 23:35:02
48

Oh please its exactly the same stupidity under different names.
48

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 14/10/2008 23:54:03
I saw the main candidates for the Glenrothes Bye Election debating on telly and heard them on radio. Lindsay Roy labour, usual scare tactics and treating the electorate as gullible eejits, Scots too poor, stupid etc and brown nosing the loathed Gordon Brown. What was really worrying though is someone informed me this guy is in charge of a school. Is our Education system this bad.
49

subrosa,

15/10/2008 00:34:16
# 27

Good post.
50

donald,

glasgow 15/10/2008 06:09:12
Mr Roy, Frank Roy, Lord Fontelroy, Brits United.
51

Destiny,

Ayrshire 15/10/2008 20:08:30
LETS ALL JUST LOOK AT THESE FACTS AGAIN TO BRING SOME CLARITY TO THE DEBATE.......
Norway has a population of 4.9 million, similar natural resourses to us, less oil than us.
Here are some of the shocking figures from Norway this week after the battering it has taken from this world economic collapse.
Unemployment at 2%.
Inflation at 3.1% highest since 1988, up from 2.8% in Sept.
GDP up 0.6% every quarter this year.
Oil fund at $ 400 billion, forecast to $600 billion by 2011
sadly though the fund has only increased 2.4% in the last quarter due to global financial problems and is it's worst growth ever.
Main interest rate at 5.75%, possible cut coming.
Construction rate is up.
Manufacturing remains strong
Services only up slightly
Government to increase public spending over the next 12 months, areas to be targeted using it's oil wealth are health, education, research and environmental projects.
Yep they are pretty well buggered, I wouldn't be surprised if they go bankrupt very soon with the state it's in.
So, will someone please tell Norway they are broke and should get quickly back into a Union with Sweden, who incidentally is very small and is also great, thank you very much.

ANY COMMENTS FROM YOU NEGATIVE UNIONIST.
52

Proximaking,

Stonehaven 15/10/2008 22:32:49
I don't want my kids to be working to support lazy Norwegians for centuries to come. Norway's funds will be worth nothing a lot sooner than number 51 thinks. Stocks can go down as well as up or hasn't he/she/it noticed? A lot of people didn't like the sight of Salmond doing his more, more, more bit in his small minded way when the destiny of the world was being discussed by Brown and others. I want more for Scotland than Salmond or number 51 seem to think it is capable of and enslaving other people's children within a discredited capitalist system is not the destiny I forsee Mr/Mrs/Ms/Thingy destiny. Oil is a passing phase so is greed and so is nationalism and that phase is now over, Glenrothes will soon show that. We need an inclusive view of humanity and not a me, me, me, mine, mine, mine view.

 

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