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China piles pressure on Dalai Lama



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Published Date: 24 March 2008
CHINA yesterday accused the Dalai Lama of using unrest in Tibet to back demands for Tibetan independence ahead of the Beijing Olympic Games.
The attack on the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader – who has also been accused of colluding with Muslim Uighur separatists in China's western Xinjiang region – was part of a drive to stifle anti-Chinese unrest before the Games begin in August.

Protests in Tibet began when Buddhist monks demonstrated in the capital, Lhasa, on 10 March, the 49th anniversary of a failed uprising against Chinese rule, and again on subsequent days. On 15 March, anti-Chinese rioting shook the city. Chinese authorities said one policeman and 18 civilians were killed.

Anti-government protests then flared in nearby provinces with large ethnic Tibetan populations, leading to violence in which several people were killed and many injured.

China's official Xinhua news agency reported yesterday that 94 people had been injured in Tibetan areas of China's Gansu region, almost all of them police.

In Sichuan, Gansu and other troubled provinces, troops continued high-profile patrols of Tibetan-populated towns, and kept schools and Buddhist monasteries under tight guard.

The Dalai Lama has criticised the violence and said he wanted talks with China to negotiate autonomy – but not independence – for his homeland.

However, Beijing is now claiming that the Dalai Lama, not failings in Chinese government policy, caused the trouble in Tibet and has accused him of wanting to ruin the Beijing Olympic Games.

Tibet's governor, Qiangba Puncog, was quoted as saying: "We must … win the final victory in all respects against the secessionist forces to help ensure a successful Olympic Games with a stable social situation in the Tibet Autonomous Region."

The People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party, said yesterday the Dalai Lama, winner of the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize, had never abandoned violence after fleeing the country in 1959 following a failed revolt against Beijing.

It said: "The so-called 'peaceful non-violence' of the Dalai clique is an outright lie. The Dalai Lama is scheming to take the Beijing Olympics hostage to force the Chinese government to make concessions to Tibet ."

However, Beijing's efforts to isolate the Dalai Lama could prove a sticking point in relations with Taiwan's president-elect Ma Ying-jeou. He said the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader would be "more than welcome" in Taiwan, and that an Olympic boycott by the disputed island was possible.

China describes Taiwan as a breakaway province that must accept reunification.



On Saturday, the People's Daily accused the Dalai Lama of planning attacks with the aid of violent Uighur separatist groups seeking an independent East Turkestan for their largely Muslim people in Xinjiang.

"Tibet is an inseparable part of China. In the history of the world there has never been a country or a government that has ever recognised Tibetan independence," Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme was yesterday quoted by Xinhua as saying.

The 86-year-old Tibetan native is a vice-chairman of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the top advisory body to parliament.

China's denunciations of the Dalai Lama have drawn applause from many Han Chinese, who have said Western critics fail to appreciate their government's efforts to develop Tibet.

However, on Saturday, 29 Chinese dissidents urged Beijing to allow United Nations investigators into Tibet, and open direct dialogue with the Dalai Lama.

CLOUDS HIT FLAME EVENT
CLOUDS over the ruined birthplace of the Olympics yesterday prevented organisers from kindling the torch for the 2008 Games in the traditional way – using the sun's rays via a mirror.

Instead, a Greek actress dressed as a pagan high priestess used a flame lit at a rehearsal. That flame will be sent to China if the storms that are forecast scuttle the official lighting ceremony at the 2,600-year-old Temple of Hera at Olympia.

But bad weather is not the only headache for the mock-ancient ceremony's organisers – who took the rare step of moving yesterday's preparations back an hour to avoid rainstorms.

Some 1,000 police will surround Olympia to keep a planned pro-Tibet protest away from today's flame lighting for the Beijing Games. A Greek government official said authorities were "

determined to safeguard the flame ceremony", adding: "This has nothing to do with political disputes."





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  • Last Updated: 24 March 2008 10:10 AM
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  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
1

Samoyed,

Costa del Menie 24/03/2008 02:22:03
China's piles, a pressure on Dalai Lama? Well put.
2

Boy Wonder,

24/03/2008 07:00:21
The Chinese do not belong in Tibet, They are unwelcome invaders. They should get out and FREE TIBET!!!

BOYCOTT THE CHINESE OLYMPICS!
3

Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 08:02:30
Once again the reporting in this is wrong. China is not blaming the Dalai Lama but the Dalai clique. There is a difference.
4

Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 08:42:36
I would be more worried about the shoddy ethics of the western press regarding this matter.
To quote Xinhua: The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) released a picture on its website showing Chinese Armed Police officers helping medical staff move a wounded person into an ambulance.

The website's caption said that "there is a heavy military presence in Lhasa", neglecting the obvious First Aid and Red Cross signs on the ambulance.

. . .

German newspaper Berliner Morgenpost posted a picture on its website that depicted police in Lhasa rescuing a young man assaulted by rioters. But the caption said "insurrectionist taken away by police".

U.S.-based Fox TV said in a picture caption on its website that Chinese military personnel dragged some protestors onto a vehicle, when actually the uniformed people were Indian police.

N-TV, headquartered in Germany, used TV footage showing police with captured protestors in a report on the Tibet riots. The footage had been shot in Nepal and the police were Nepalese.
5

Biker,

Ayr 24/03/2008 11:15:21
Agreed Boy Wonder.
Mashimaro. While I dont doubt the innaccuracy of some of the reporting, I think by and large they have the athmosphere correct. How can you tell from a picture and a byline what is correct?
The fact is that the Chinese authorities have taken a heavy handed approach to this as well as most of their other problems.
6

postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 11:18:10
The west doesn't want to understand and therefore never will. China is a perfeect smokescreen to cover up the western evil ways, look no further than Iraq, and you'll get the point. Like I said so many times before, China is keeping their fight at home, which it has every right and obligation to do so. If Tibet wants to become sovereign or autonimous, it needs to do it differently than to kill the Chinese, it needs to be diplomatic and not kill innocent Chinese. China's government has no choice and indeed is obligated to stop this, for if it is to go unchecked, there's no telling as to what will happen next, you can not reason with a mob, it is very infectious and many people feel brave and don't think as to what they are doing, they just blindly follow everyone else. You may also have noticed that China never sticks its nose in another country's business, so please stay out of our business, you have enough troubles at home.
7

Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 11:38:22
The British do not belong in Kosovo & Iraq, They are unwelcome invaders. They should get out and FREE IRAQ & SERBIA & indeed Armagh!!!

BOYCOTT THE UK OLYMPICS & COMMONWEALTH GAMES

As Boy Wonder unaccountably forgot to say.
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postmark54,

Chongqing,China 24/03/2008 11:50:55
#7 Neil
That goes for the Americans as well, but you know that won't happen before Bush gives up his power, and not likely for many years to come anyways. The USA and UK do not need to live by the UN rules, after all they control the UN and therefore entered an illegal war with Iraq, after the UN voted it down. There again, it then makes it so easy to point fingers at China, who actually has a right and obligation to keep the land within its own borders trouble free, and a safe place for its numerous citizens. China keeps its fight at home, the rest of the world needs to follow suit.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 12:01:04
#5 Biker

"While I dont doubt the innaccuracy of some of the reporting, I think by and large they have the athmosphere correct. How can you tell from a picture and a byline what is correct?"

Well, unless the Chinese police are suddenly using Nepalese people or changing themselve into Indians or Nepalese, it's not difficult to tell the difference.
The first one was an obvious attempt to discredit Chinese troops. Anyone who knows the facts about what's going on there can tell right away. The pictures were not originally taken by the media using them and the originals could be compared with other uses and other captions.

Here are the real pictures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

"The fact is that the Chinese authorities have taken a heavy handed approach to this as well as most of their other problems."

It's not the FACT at all. The FACT is that Tibetan thugs in Lhasa ran riot, burning buildings, beating people and killing them. The police stepped in to protect the innocent. That is the FACT. There was no crackdown. That is the FACT. Other thugs linked to the Tibetan clique also started riots in other parts of China... that is the FACT. Those people were also stopped by the police. Now the Chinese government is moving troops into the area to arrest the criminals and ensure that no more people will be killed. Those, my friend, are the FACTS.

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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 12:03:49
P.S. Biker... the clue might also be in the fact that Chinese police or troops don't use rattan canes on rioters.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 12:04:24
#1 Samoyed,
What you are doing is exactly what the western media is doing, you change something slightly to make it look a lot different than what it actually is. By distorting facts, the western media has effectively blackballed China, how is that possibly going to solve anything. China is under extreme pressure at home to quell this very violent and deadly uprising, it does not need pressure from the west, unfair pressure that has been spread through lies and distorted facts. I live in China, I have multiple sources from Tibet, and all of them have strongly agreed that the Tibetan extremists, whether they are monks or anyone else, are the ones that started this, and it needs to be stopped, hopefully no more blood will be spilled, and both sides can come to an agreement. Living in Chongqing, only the province of Sichuan is between me and Tibet, so I am a lot closer to this than you are, and I do get actual facts, and not distorted media accounts. By the way, my Tibetan sources are Tibetans, and not Han Chinese, so why would they make this up? they wouldn't.
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Stoowho,

A free Country 24/03/2008 12:13:40
I have decided to comment on this article because I can. I will go to my bed tonight safe in the knowledge that I will not be woken up in the middle of the night and dragged off and be tortured for expressing my opinion. I do not agree with the west invading other countries nor do I agree with the east doing the same. If china were not in Tibet we would not be having this argument. China should get out of Tibet. I think it might be more prudent of the readers to google mining accidents china. China is an oppressive state where no one is bestowed the very thing that we take for granted, freedom of speech. I can’t remember the last time a student was stopped by a tank here.
13

Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 12:27:03
We have seen a long history of western media misusing photos such as the time when ITN "accidentally" faked their "concentration camp" video, the various photos from the Lebanese war or of Kate Adie "Hell, even their most famous and undoubtedly brilliant premiere reporter knew EXACTLY what she intended to say on that evening's news before the day had begun, and I can assure you that odd things were done to achieve it if the day didn't quite offer up the required backdrops. We spent one afternoon looking for a burning building and racing to get there before it went out!!" & the subsequent censorship of any reference at all to the numerous genocides such as of 210 people by NATO "police" at Dragodan.

Mishimaro if some of these photos are really of Nepalese police, as their badges seem to show, does this mean that the sort of thing the Chinese are being accused of are they completely staged or are they using genuine stock footage of normal police activity in Nepal, which, for obvious reasons, never gets reported by the western media?
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Mashimaro,

Stoowho 24/03/2008 12:31:00
1. Tibet is a province of China. It has been for hundreds of years.
2. Going by your logic can we expect the English to get out of Ireland? The westerners to get out of America and leave it to the native americans? Will the English get out of Australia and New Zealand? Because the Chinese have been in Tibet longer than the English/Europeans have been in their colonies. In fact the Chinese were in both America and New Zealand before the westerners.

3. Take a look at the riot here and tell us what we should have done?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=L6XD5A7-Fqg
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 12:43:34
@ Neil: It's genuine footage, some of it quite recent. But the rage is all directed towards China.
This uprising in Tibet (and others will follow - cue Falun Gong here) is so blatantly obviously staged to disrupt the Olympics. And hey, if I were them I would be doing the same thing. I mean what is the point in having an uprising if no one gets to hear about it.
16

Stoowho,

Mashimaro 24/03/2008 12:51:04
Let be adult and honest about this. The English are not in Ireland. Northern has Stormont. They choose who to elect in to govern the country.

Yes countries have been colonised and customs build over thousands of years have been devastated in mere centuries by "white settlers". Make no mistake about it; Tibet is not a "colony" but a stand alone country. China is an oppressive regime where freedom of speech is only afforded to, to, to you tell me?
17

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

24/03/2008 13:01:58
Plenty vids on Youtube quislings...go look at Chinese brutality in action..

14..."Take a look at the riot here and tell US what WE should have done"

Who are 'US'and 'WE'..??
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 13:06:27
#16 Stoowho,
To me , that is for sure, and to all of my Chinese and other ethnic friends as well. They openly discuss things of politics or anything else, and don't seem to fear reprisal, so again, we have been lied to by the western media. Being on the ground here in China, offers people like Mashimaro and myself a far clearer and undistorted picture than what they offer you, but you refuse to believe us, that tells me that the brainwashing in the west has been very effective and complete, and that you don't care and don't want to hear the truth. And that is everybody's loss, for there are no winners in this.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 13:07:11
Stoowho,

You are quite right, not many people have the freedom of speech in China. We don't accept that. We are China. Do not attempt to force your ideals and morality on us. We do not impose ours on you. It is not the Chinese way to have everyone just stand up and say what is on their mind. We have learned through our vast history that this rudeness is not a good idea. We show each other respect, we work for harmony in our huge society, because to not have harmony would be to unleash war, death and poverty on a large number of innocent people. You might have heard of the "warring states" period.

Tibet is not an independent country.
That being said, take a look at reality here. China is never, ever going to let Tibet go, okay? Understand that. It cannot afford to. Chinese people have needs and rights too -mlike the right to life. Rights that they would lose if Tibet were independent. So how do you want this to play out? A few free monks who don't give a damn for women's rights and think slavery is their god-given right? Or poor peasants in China.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 13:09:08
#17 Horrible Cankers,
I see that you haven't gotten a life yet.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 13:12:54
You're right Postmark. People do discuss a lot of things between them without fear. I was surprised at the "intellectuals" letter re Tibet. It just goes to show that they seem to be able to say anything thesedays.
22

Stoowho,

24/03/2008 13:22:20
18 & 19

You are very luck to have electricity and apparently free reign to the internet in such an impoverished country. I have not set out to offend anyone and I would like to apologise if my posts have caused offence. The simple fact of the matter is that China is an oppressive regime. China is changing; young people want to express themselves in different ways. Why do Chinese rappers have to meet in secret? Freedom of speech covers expression as well. The fact is that we west are not brainwashed, we are though not whitewashed. We have TOTA freedom to access the internet and can do this without fear of reprisal. Unlike Chin the UK and other countries has not allowed google in with the caveat that the government can see any records they want. I have to say though, I think we out do you on the CCTV stakes.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 13:51:42
Stoowho,
I don't feel offended, but am dumbfounded by your statements, for you really have no idea what the China of today is all about, I can't speak of its past, for I wasn't there, but am here now. Fact, any Chinese citizen has full access to the internet. Fact, there are hundreds of internet bars here in Chonqing, Shanghai, Beijing and probably most places in China. Why are we lucky to have electicity, need I remind you that the Three Gorges Dam is the largest in the world of its kind, generating a lot of electricity. I know many Chinese up and coming musicians and singers, who openly play rap, anywhere. Fact, Tibet is a province, of China, and not a stand alone country. Fact, colony is just a name to make your country sound good, but your colonies still answer to your country. Fact, nobody fears getting dragged out of bed for expressing their opinions. Fact, riots and protests all over the world, your country included, get met with physical and deadly force, whether by tear gas, rubber bullets, or tasers, deaths occur because of that.
24

Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 14:14:55
I suspect some Chinese in the interior will not have access to the internet for technical reasons, in the same way that parts of the Highlands don't really have broadband. However that is not the fault of the Chinese government indeed any assessment of them must involve, I would say start with, the fact that their economy is progressing so much faster than ours, as the 3 Gorges Dam shows.

As Tennyson said "Better fifty years of Europe than a cycle of Cathay" but that was when Europe was not run by a bunch of Luddite mandarins intent on regulating innovation out of existence while insisting that all these foreign barbarians ought to treat us as the moral arbiter of the universe.
25

Biker,

Ayr 24/03/2008 14:16:46
Mashimaro, You said
We show each other respect, we work for harmony in our huge society, because to not have harmony would be to unleash war, death and poverty on a large number of innocent people.
Yes indeed you do live in respect and harmony, my back side you do!!! What about Tianemen Square, what about the people made homelass by the Beijing authorities to make way for the Stadiums. I dont call that living in harmony, i would call that totaliteriarism.
China isnt in Tibet out of altruism It wanted rid of the place untill the US and Russia began eyeing it for bases. But instead of offering help and finance, they collonised the place and ran amock in the 50s. This is a matter of record within the UN.
No amounts of pleading with Beijing for restraint were heeded, much like now. And anyone speaking out against the authorities can be jailed or indeed executed. There is NO freedom of speach, and how can you say that is fair and equitable?
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 14:18:23
Stoowho

You did not offend me at all. I can understand your wish for everywhere in the world to be like your country. I could go down the route here and point at that there are many many countries far worse than China that I have not seen any criticism against - probably because that's where the west gets its oil.
You need to think of China as a completely different civilisation. You would no more go and tell people in Zanzibar how to run their government than you should expect to tell China how to run its government. We are not westerners, we are not like westerners. We are Chinese.
We don't like rap music, we associate it with violence and gangsters. Why would anyone want to bring that filth into their society?
The same with Google. We don't accept porn or kiddie porn. Why would we want to allow that to happen in our society? We have a right as a people to decide what we want and what we don't want. Why should you force your western filth on us?
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Shaken,

24/03/2008 14:26:50
#26

'We have a right as a people to decide what we want and what we don't want. Why should you force your western filth on us?'

What if you are not being given the full facts from which to make an informed decision? As you said you have right to decide what you want and don't want - what if that is already decided for you?

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Shaken,

24/03/2008 14:30:00
#23

You have a problem in China that your govt decide what you (the population) need to know. They do it here as well but are less able to get able to get away with it..If we find our leaders are lying we get rid of them. If you find out your leaders are lying they get rid of you..Simplistic but accurate.

Free Tibet!
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24/03/2008 14:33:12
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 14:35:31
Biker, I work at an independent newspaper that on most days goes out through the country. Our reporters are careful but that does not stop them from reporting, and it does not stop the paper running pieces that are critcal of the government.
I can't believe the lies that are coming out of your mouth. I just goes to show how absolutely controlled and messed up your media is.
The people moved to make way for the stadia (heh, should I teach you to speak your own language) are not homeless. The places they were living in were old and very run down and they were moved to more modern apartments.
Please, show me one picture of any sort of crackdown happening in Tibet now. Just one. Put up or shut up.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 14:38:25
#27
Are you saying rap is misunderstood?
Are you saying there is no porn and kiddie porn on the internet?
ahem
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 14:39:11
#27 and of course your country is honest with you...
I've got one word for you... RENDITION
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 14:41:28
#27 If we find out our leaders are lying to us they are executed. I notice Tony Blair is just raking in millions of pounds.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 14:43:37
Mashimaro,
Having been in China for only two and a half years, most of the language still eludes me, and I don't have any idea of the rap content in the rap music I hear, but it sounds like rap, and that is what my Chinese friends call it.
Google does exist here, both the Chinese branch and its American parent, as well as Yahoo. What can be accessed through them I'm not sure about, but I so far have been able to use their search engines and haven't had anything blocked, maybe because of what I have been searching for. I do not wish for China to be like other countries, for China is unique and, as I have stated before, in my opinion the greatest country in the world, and I come from a pretty nice place called Canada. I have nothing against Canada in general, but it does not afford me the freedoms that China does. It being a Democratic country, has left me disillusioned about the so called glory of Democracy, for it in fact is far more restricted in almost everything, due to the monetary fines placed on everything to control the population, and the hoodwinking and brainwashing that goes on daily and has for as long as I can remember. I hope to be able to become a Chinese citizen , sooner rather than later, but am not clear on how to go about that or if indeed it is possible.
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Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 14:44:45
"They do it here as well but are less able to get able to get away with it..If we find our leaders are lying we get rid of them2

So if we found that the Labour government had engaged in genocide at Dragodan in Kosovo & a criminal war in Iraq we would have got rid of them. Good job for them we didn't get to find out eh?
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Shaken,

24/03/2008 14:51:08
Neil,

Do you remember the 'Not in our name' protest. For all the good it did us..We were still able to have an opinion even if it was ignored. We weren't round up and imprisoned or shot. Which would you prefer?
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 15:00:56
Shaken,
The ones shot here were done so in self defense, and the ones shot here were indiscriminately burning everything and hurting or killing anyone that got in their way, and that is a Fact. My Tibetan sources have told me this, since I contacted them as of Saturday, and because they are indeed Tibetans, they have no reason to lie about this, and they feel that everyone needs to know the truth. Because of western media distorting the facts, all of China and its people have been given a black eye, and the majority of comments I have seen have called for boycotting the Olympics as well as Chinese goods. I could care less about the Olympics, but if you boycott the Chinese goods, you are hurting all the Chinese, and that would be very hypocritical on your part, as well as the whole west.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 15:47:35
Shaken: There are protests in China all the time. All the time! But they don't end up in people getting killed - well most of the time. The protesters don't go around hacking civillians to death like those in Tibet have just done. They might get a few whacks with police batons, some police cars may be torched - life goes on. But don't tell us that people can't voice their opinions in China. They are voiced all the time.
Postmark in Chongqing will bear me out on this. They have protests there quite often when people don't want to leave their homes where development is happening.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 15:49:47
Postmark, you should get right of abode after being in the country a certain amount of time but I don't think you'll become a Chinese because the criteria is that you, in fact Chinese.
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Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 15:55:44
Shaken I would definitely prefer not being shot. I think there are very many countries in the world where getting shot would be a far more serious risk than China - many of them our allies & 3 of them occupied by us.

It does seem accepted that these riots have indeed involved racial attacks on Chinese busineses & individuals. If the police had not acted to prevent that we would, if convenient, have criticised that. Have you heard of Krystalnacht?

Remember how the western media criticised Serbia because a mob attacked the US embassy (though on a previous occasion the NATO occupiers had been praised by their governments for standing back when Albanians attacked homes, centuries old Kosovar churches & human beings something which received remarkably little coverage here).
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 16:02:21
Shaken,
Mashimaro is correct, protests occur here on more than a few occasions, and depending on the behaviour of the protesters, as a rule it is solved peacefully, and if protesters do get out of hand, arrests and some violence occur, but nothing as to what is happening in Tibet and surrounding provinces. Those protests are not protests, those are very violent riots, that any responsible government needs to stop, and do it as quickly as possible, before more lives are lost and more blood is spilled, if you fail to see the reasoning behind that, than I truly feel sorry for you. If the west as a whole fails to see that, than God help you if a violent and deadly riot should break out there, for all of your lives would be in grave danger. Need I stress the point again? The Chinese government has an obligation to stop this, to protect all concerned, including the Tibetan population. If it fails to do that, then the streets will be flowing with innocent blood, and that would be condemned as neglect by the western media on the Chinese government. I really hope that you can see things more clearly now, I don't know how to be any clearer in my message to you.
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postmark54,

Chongqing, China 24/03/2008 16:07:44
Mashimaro,
I didn't understand the last part of your statement, either I'm too tired or some text is missing there, please clarify. Either way, I am not Chinese and dearly would like to become a citizen.
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Mashimaro,

China 24/03/2008 16:34:12
Neil... sorry 36 hours straight at work - because of Tibet and trapped sailors - sees me skipping words. You have to be ethnic Chinese to get a chinese passport.

Let's not forget the democracy march in Hong Kong that resulted in Tung Chee-hwa stepping down. No violence in that. No PLA having to be called in there.
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Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 17:10:02
"You have to be ethnic Chinese to get a chinese passport."

Now there is something that European PC types should be complaining about. Think how China will suffer from a lack of immigrants when, in about 35 years, 40% of our population is immigrant descended.
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57Nomad,

california 24/03/2008 17:57:18
#45 Neil

Neil another reason that they will 'suffer' from a lack of immigrants is that no one in their right mind would want to migrate to China.
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Neil,

Glasgow 24/03/2008 18:05:07
We have a fair number of Somalis here (one of them just brought a most interesting disease). If you were a Somali would you not much prefer China.

In any case Postmark has already answered your question & I think he is sufficiently qualified to choose California, which is advertising for immigrants, had he wished.
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Another Friend,

24/03/2008 18:08:06
#43 HC

Any friend of Djookers is a Troll.
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Conan,

Chile 24/03/2008 20:33:15
Either BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS, or, better yet, BAN THE CHINESE COMMUNIST MAFIA FROM THE OLYMPICS ;)
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA...bye Bush -Cheney..u. evil leaders. 24/03/2008 22:47:13
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postmark54,
Chongqing, China
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Hey Dude read this. Link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-death-van_x.htm?POE=click-refer

And Ur comments please, if u so choose.

GC

Dragonhead seems to have disappeared from the CCP/PLA radar screen

Happy Haggis Day and SMELL the BURN.

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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

24/03/2008 23:32:18
I'l say it again...Postmark54 and Mashimaro...you guys sitting across from each other in a wee office somewhere....awful suspicious this boys, all my posts being deleted...makes you look...guilty..
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Let's have the truth,

Queensland 25/03/2008 00:08:19
The next time an international event is due to be staged in the "United States of America" any one of the more than 100 countries the US has either bombed or invaded since WWII would be justified in protesting about or boycotting the event.

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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 25/03/2008 01:00:19
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Let's have the truth,
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Hey Dude I agree with U 100% .
But its up to those countries to have the backbone to protest and the money.

Secondly those countries should then pay back the billions $$$ the US either lent them, or gave them, to stop them from starving etc..

The USA bread Basket of the Planet earth .. USA money bank of the Planet, If we go broke. all U guys go broke.

Chill out Dude .

Ketch some of Ur Queensland monsoon rains, and pipe them South to Ur parched WA and your central deserts.

Or are Ur regional politicians too busy fighting internally about who or where this water should flow too.

Right now it flows back into the South Pacific Ocean...What a waste of rain water Dude.

Happy Shark Swimming Day
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Carolyn 1,

25/03/2008 01:58:03


42 writers are currently in Chinese jails.

Hu Jia wrote “The Real China and the Olympics"

He is charged with“inciting subversion of state power” and in jail for an indefinite period of time
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 02:10:47
45 They probably will change their minds, once we've successfully taken over sufficient resources from the rest of the world and the tide of peasant farmers has swept Africa and South America. mu ha ha ha ha.
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 02:14:03
# 55 Only 45? I'm sure we can do better than that.
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 02:33:10
#50

I am glad you have pointed out the progress being made in China regarding the humane way prisoners are being executed. To the best of my knowledge giving a lethal injection renders the organs unsuitable for transplant.
I did a story for our paper on this very issue some time back about the organ transplant scandal. It was quite gruesome so I don't think I should repost it here unless specifically asked.
The good thing about this system is that evil animals like the rapist murderer mentioned in the story will never rape or murder anyone again. We have zero recidivism in China. We recognise evil for what it is and don't make excuses about people being "sick". As an interesting fact, the last executions carried out iin my neck of the woods were done by the British. Isn't that irony for you.

FREE AMERICA!!!
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?????!!!,

25/03/2008 02:47:51
"Mashimaro is correct, protests occur here on more than a few occasions, and depending on the behaviour of the protesters, as a rule it is solved peacefully, and if protesters do get out of hand, arrests and some violence occur"


Beating falun gong women is not solving peacefully.
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 03:10:57
Falun Gong women don't have to be beaten. They insist on going on to Tienaman, wearing their yellow tee shirts and handing out subversive literature. No one forces them to be there. They insist on doing it. Go figure.
Where there is a real problem, a real issue, it is as postmark says, often resolved peacefully.

FREE AMERICA!!!
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?????!!!,

25/03/2008 04:10:42
Mashimaro like a pro japanese

favor
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 13:17:53
62 whaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... guess that one went right over your head. But come to think of it, I do have a point. If you keep doing what you're doing you'll keep getting what you're getting. So if they keep on insisting on doing what they're doing... they'll keep on getting what they're getting. So you have to ask yourself... why do they keep on doing it.
It's kind of like running into a yard full of dogs, getting torn to pieces and then getting your friends to do the same.
Once again, this is China. We don't accept certain activities in this country. Cult religions is one of the things we don't accept.

FREE MONGOLIA, FREE AMERICA, FREE IRELAND, FREE NEW ZEALAND, FREE AUSTRALIA

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Biker,

Ayr 25/03/2008 13:35:49
Mashimaro. Now you offend all people by denying all these offences take place. So you work for an independant news paper but have to be carefull?? Says it all mate.
The fact that people are being moved is a matter of record and the BBC ran a program on the issues I raised. Of cource you wont accept this as any sort of proof because you have to be "carefull".
Whether the buildings are old or not the fact remains. The people are being moved to make way for the stadiums without help of payment. Also try not to be so pedantic, it does your case no good, spelling is not a major issue compaired to the problems in your adopted country.
So you consider that beating women is ok for voicing their opinions? says rather a lot about freedoms afforded to people in China.
I take the same line with any country who treat their people in this way,just China. Human Rights are a problem world wide, but China is by far the worst.
By the way my uninformed friend. Lethal injection does not render all organs unusable. That is assuming they are actually going down that route. I personally dont believe it as a lot of money is made from organ sales.
Independant my backside. What newspaper is it so we can judge for ourselves.
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 15:48:53
biker, I've written my own reports about it. I'm not denying it. I'm just saying it takes a certain amount of stupidity to put your finger in the power socket when you know what's going to happen.
I could tell you things about China that would make your hair stand up, but at the end of the day, it's our country and our problems and only we will fix them. We will find our solution our way, in our own time.
Forgive me if I have to smile at stupid old women who go looking for trouble and your ever so western reaction to them. They really are the least of our concerns. We have far bigger issues to deal with where innocent people are getting hurt. Coal mining would be but one of them.
Lying about it, getting hysterical about it, is going to do nothing. You have no understanding of China or how it works or how we think. You have no concept of "face".
Your stupid public stunting will get you nowhwere. Beijing doesn't give a dime for what the world thinks about it. Never has, never will. I am not appologising or approving, just telling you the facts.

"The fact that people are being moved is a matter of record and the BBC ran a program on the issues I raised. Of cource you wont accept this as any sort of proof because you have to be "carefull"."

Been there, done that story, published it... so what? People are moved here all the time. Loads more people were moved to make way for the three gorges dam project, loads now are being moved off their peasant farms and into cities in Chongqing. It is the price of progress.

"I take the same line with any country who treat their people in this way,just China. Human Rights are a problem world wide, but China is by far the worst."

Probably the worst. Take a look at Zimbabwe, or Sudan, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia... I know there is a lot wrong with China. You don't need to lie about it, and that is what your press is doing in this case.

"So you consider that beating women is ok for voicing their opinions? says rather a lot
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 15:59:34
darn I forgot about the length lock on ths site.

I consider cult loonies who get beaten for voicing their oppionions when they know they will get beaten for voicing their oppinions as not worth my time. There are far more important things to deal with. Theyy are just wasting my time.

By the way my uninformed friend. Lethal injection does not render all organs unusable. That is assuming they are actually going down that route. I personally dont believe it as a lot of money is made from organ sales.

er, let me inform you, Biker... the sales of organs is a huge and very profitable business. It is supported by a vast number of people, including americans. I have no problem with organs being harvested. I have a problem with whether or not the person is dead when his organs are harvested, and whether or not there is enough control on the market to ensure the organs are disease free and correctly matched with recipients.
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Mashimaro,

China 25/03/2008 16:05:34
cankers...pity you used up all your troll cards, you actually have some sensible questions.

Falun Gong are not harassed beaten, tortured, etc etc etc simply because they follow a different path, but because they have a political agenda. These are no meek little religious people. They are members of a cult that continually challenge authority in public. If they were quietly doing their thing behind closed doors no one would be bothering them too much.
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Biker,

Ayr 25/03/2008 16:32:46
Mashimaro. rarely have I heard or read such apolgist rantings.
So you DO consider beating and executing people for differing political views as ok? That my friend says it all. You can proflisize about cults and loony old women all you want but the fact remains, China does not accept or tolerate dissent in any way.
Perhaps you can tell me the fate of the survivors of Tianeman Square? How many were executed or are still in jail? As I remember, that was a peacefull demonstration and the only peoples hurt or killed were the students.
Does China admit selling organs to the west? Will it also admit keeping prisoners alive until a recipient can be found? I find this unpalletable at best.
Are you saying, Because this is China we reserve the right to treat our people as we desire, because if you are my friend then perhaps the media should not be your vocation. Its hardly ballanced is it
Give me the name of your newspaper so I can see for myself. I can even provide a private e-mail address if you are concerned and wish to be "carefull"
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

25/03/2008 17:39:53
"Continually challenge authority in public"....eh yes...what of it?....they have to...to fight to exist...

So you torture them..

Brand and burn them

give them electric shocks and

sexually assault them

Because they 'challenge authority'...makes you wonder...these little irritants to the Chinese regime....what you do with the people who really get up your nose...the genuine reporters who expose the atrocities in China...the intellectuals who will not be silenced...those who turn their back on oppression and human rights abuse...

Yes indeed....makes you wonder...
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Mashimaro,

China 26/03/2008 02:35:38
You have me confused with someone who gives a damn about the Falun Gong. There are bigger issues. I don't know how else I can get you to understand this. When millions are not threatened by flood water, or millions of others not threatened by desertification, or hundreds of thousands of children not forced to work in firework plants, or mentally ill people not used as genuine slaved in brick kilns, when we can stop our industry spewiing poison into the air or poison into our water, when every village has got power and education - then I might give them a thought.

"Perhaps you can tell me the fate of the survivors of Tianeman Square?"
No, I can't
"How many were executed or are still in jail? As I remember, that was a peacefull demonstration and the only peoples hurt or killed were the students."
I don't know their fate, and I have answered the rest of this before, so go back and read that.

Does China admit selling organs to the west?
Yes
Will it also admit keeping prisoners alive until a recipient can be found?
Yes
I find this unpalletable at best."
Yes, I know you do. I have spoken to your English doctors about this. They seem enraged by this point.
I don't care about that. They are going to die anyway, it just makes sense to have them executed when needed. I have done an article on this, If you wish I will email it to you. The most important thing for me is that the prisoner is dead before his organs are harvested.

"Are you saying, Because this is China we reserve the right to treat our people as we desire."

Yes

"because if you are my friend then perhaps the media should not be your vocation. Its hardly ballanced is it."

It is perfectly balanced. Who are you to dictate to the rest of the world what is right and what is wrong based on your skewed moral view of the world. Take a look at the society around you - women having seven children by five different fathers and tax payers paying for them - gangs, drugs, people too lazy to get out a
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Mashimaro,

China 26/03/2008 03:07:29
and find a job, child pornography, rape, fundamentalist religious zealots, nudity, foul language, objectifying women as sex objects, financial slavery to credit cards spurred on by a shallow materialistic society, rapists returned to society so they can do it again, child molesters returned to society so they can do it again, a backward slide in education and moral standing.
Do you think I want that for my country?
Do you think I want my country to be England? That's a bit colonial, don't you think?
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Biker,

Ayr 26/03/2008 11:25:30
Mashiaro. You said it all mate. As for your opinions about Prisoners and executions in your region, I suggest you start to look for another job, because clearly a truthfull reporter (or whatever you are) you aint.
If what you profess to be your true thoughts, then sir you are a bigger fool than anyone else posting here.
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Biker,

Ayr 26/03/2008 11:27:38
C'mon Mashimaro, tell us the name of your paper?
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Mashimaro,

China 27/03/2008 01:52:14
Biker I gave you the cold hard truth and it doesn't fit your imaginative rantings about my country.
Executions are not as bad in China as you would like to believe. In 2007 only about 1,500 people were executed. China executes less people per capita than Singapore and Taiwan. I don't hear you squealing about them. Now they are going to make it less painful and brutal for the condemned by using lethal injections, a method used by the United States. So I really do not see the problem there.
I have told you where the problem lies regarding the organ harvesting and yet you call me a liar. I believe what I have revealed to you shows that I am willing to point out China's real problems, I don't have to go after make-believe causes and lie about incidents like the recent Tibetan unrest. China has far far bigger things to deal with.
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speak up,

Washington 27/03/2008 04:57:05
The last time the violence or riot took place in East Turkistan or Xinjiang, as China calls it, was more than a decade ago and China is clearly using so called "war on terror" as an excuse to crush Uighurs' ethno-national aspirations. China's claim that the Uighur pose terrorist threat is largely exaggerated and the West must strongly condemn China's human right abuses agaisnt the Uighurs. It's very disappointing that the leaders of the free world who spoke out against the violence in Tibet didn't even bother to mention the sufferings of the Uighurs despite the seriousness and severity of the abuses that the Chinese is committing against them. I believe US is morally obligated to clean up the mess in East Turkistan since it has given the green to the Chinese (perhaps unintentionally) to pursue its political and strategic objectives in Xinjiang. Occasionally criticizing the Chinese government's human rights records isn't enough.

 

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