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Published Date: 25 November 2009
IT WAS nearly 200 tonnes of proudly built, but rusting, Glasgow steam engineering about to be shipped to China and turned into cars.
However, this massive locomotive was rescued from a South African railway siding and has been returned to its home city on a perilous journey by rail and sea.

And yesterday, restoration work started on the class 15F monster as part of a £300,000 project to make it the centrepiece of Glasgow's new Riverside Museum.

ScotRail apprentice engineers, who will soon be working on Britain's newest trains, are part of the team transforming the 65-year-old Locomotive 3007 before it goes on display in mid-2011.

The engine was chosen to epitomise the tens of thousands of Glasgow-built locomotives exported across the world.

Three of more than 200 built in the city are still running on South African heritage railways, which was also one of the last to use steam on main lines.

It was built in 1944 at the North British Locomotive Company's Queen's Park works in Polmadie – the largest in Europe – before being shipped in pieces and assembled near Cape Town.

The locomotive's sheer scale – 74ft long, 13ft high and 179 tonnes – was required to haul heavy trains over the country's vast distances and rugged terrain. John Messner, the Glasgow Museum of Transport's railways curator, said: "It had very little decoration and is not the prettiest, but was a workhorse of tried and tested design."

Museum officials scouring South Africa for a good-condition class 15F locomotive came across 3007 shortly before it was due to be broken up and shipped to China to be recycled for the car industry.

The locomotive had to be towed 300 miles by rail to Durban to be brought home, with ten trailers added to a diesel locomotive to provide extra braking to ensure the engine did not run away. The train also kept having to stop because 3007's bearings repeatedly overheated.

The locomotive will be the largest and youngest engine at the new museum, beside the Rivers Clyde and Kelvin, which will replace the Museum of Transport at the Kelvin Hall.

The seven-month restoration will include replacing brass piping stripped from the locomotive while it languished in a Bloemfontein siding for 18 years after a crash. There was evidence of plants – and even people – living in it.

Jonathon Gourlay, one of the ScotRail apprentices who will be working with project leaders Eura Conservation, said he relished the challenge.

Mr Gourlay, 18, from Cowdenbeath in Fife, who is also a volunteer fireman at the Scottish Railway Preservation Society in Bo'ness, said: "I was taken aback by seeing the size of it. It has been rusting away, but we are going to make it look fabulous.

"The components we will be replacing and repairing are very different from those in our depots, but it involves learning some of the same techniques."

The apprentices involved in the three-month secondments include some from Shields depot in Glasgow, where new Desiro class 380 trains will be maintained after arriving next year.

Louise Lawson, a project conservation and collections management officer at the Glasgow Museums Resource Centre in Nitshill, where the restoration is being carried out, said: "It will form part of one of the key displays in the new museum. It will be an absolutely fantastic project."

The cost of the museum, designed by the Iraq-born architect Zaha Hadid, increased in 2007 from £57 million to £74m because of inflation and design problems. It is being funded by the city council and the Heritage Lottery Fund. A public appeal to raise the remaining £5m required is more than half way towards its total.


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  • Last Updated: 25 November 2009 12:32 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

The Strategist,

25/11/2009 00:12:19
I think I'd have much preferred to spend that £74m on building something that would be really useful.
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

25/11/2009 01:54:55
The reason so many locomotives to be sent all over the empire were built in Glasgow is that the empire wouldn't allow countries where they were sold to like South Africa to build locomotives themselves. The exhibition should make it clear that the locomotive is a monument to imperialism, racism and exploitation.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/11/2009 02:02:55

Nostalgia none the doubt, and the Train Spotters Dream Come True, but for me it is all 'rusty-junk', better being placed in its original destination, to make the New!

4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 25/11/2009 02:50:16
#2 Spare us the breast beating, on second thoughts maybe you enjoy self flagellation.
5

The Chook ai Argyll,

25/11/2009 04:07:03
I want to know how many of you think this is a good use of 74 million ?
6

Name,

Location 25/11/2009 05:00:15
That's some vintage train pr0n there.
7

steve 1511,

aberdeen 25/11/2009 05:37:39
splendid i wonder if hornby will make a model that i can purchase for my train layout,choo choo,choo
8

worker,

Livingston 25/11/2009 05:55:44
just enjoy seeing the bloody thing... huh???
9

Russell M,

Stirling 25/11/2009 07:20:48
Another example of world class engineering that used to come out of East Glasgow. But thanks to a long list of corporate and government decisions Scottish heavy engineering died in the late Twentieth Century. Sure the stage for our momentary success was set by Westminster policy, but as always we Scots rise to challenges and opportunity when allowed. The most disappointing thing about the recent Glasgow North East by-election is the total lack of talk about bringing manufacturing back to the East of Glasgow.
10

Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 25/11/2009 07:57:39
9

I would say that demands and tastes in technology and enginnering changed and Glasgow failed to either respond or keep up.

Those reasons for failing, however, is up to debate.
11

eric,

lothian 25/11/2009 08:07:27
Thought polmadie was southside.
12

voltaire's janny,

25/11/2009 08:18:29
I used to think trainspotters were sad losers until I read the posts 1,2,3,5,9,10

Is there any news item that doesn't have you reaching for your own little stash of prejudices and political diatribes?
13

Gary Inserik,

Nova Scotia 25/11/2009 08:22:46
12

It's a train, big deal. Talking politics is more interesting than the train itself. If you were here just to read a story about the train and not interested in what rubbish we may be discussing, you should've stopped your scrolling at the word "total".
14

AIasdair,

25/11/2009 08:34:23
#1 - there probably are more useful things to spend money on, but I have very fond memories of the whole family heading through too Glasgow just to visit the transport museum. Hopefully the new museum will be even bigger and better.
15

The Ayrshire Bard,

25/11/2009 08:56:31
Maybe it could be melted down and turned into claymores and muskets for the NATS who are gnashing their teeth today. They would then be able to put on their Braveheart outfits and march down the Royal Mile to demand their referendum. Mind you, they might be a wee bit outnumbered by the Unionists.
16

billalba,

fife 25/11/2009 09:08:32
#15 Maybe it can be part of a a Scottish exhibition of how (seemingly) according to the british before oil scotland never made any money convienently forgetting that we produced these engines in vast numbers and we made approx 90% of the worlds shipping so when the truth is out the quisling british will be shown again as liars.
17

Douglas,

Bathgate 25/11/2009 09:13:07
The whole £74 million should have been transfered to the world class, cutting edge, on time on budget, disruption free, professionally installed Edinburgh tram line.
We can't be living in the past where public transport runs on rails giving no flexibility to respond to changing demands and.....er...oh.
18

DeanConinPeteFSteed,

25/11/2009 09:15:52
The nats say the union tries to hide Scottish history, then when a bit of Scottish history is brought to light as with this museum with the train in it, they want to hide it again.
19

voltaire's janny,

25/11/2009 09:30:23
# 13

Not here to read just aboot the puffer, but I expect some wit like #7, #17, opinion like #14 etc

For my part I note that the choo choo is but 0.3 millions and is also to be used by apprentice or trainees from the modern transit industry. A museum such as the extant one in Kelvin Hall, particularly when free, is at least as good a use of public money for its inspiring, educational purpose as the annual £250M we now spend on free care for the elderly.

The history of Scotland, its Enlightenment, place in Empire, brutal industrialisation, simultaneous roles in freedom, revolution, rights of man and slavery reaches its widest audiences through museums. All good. Worth every penny.

20

ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 25/11/2009 09:46:10
BARGAIN BUY!

LETS BUY MORE!

LETS SHOW SCOTLAND AT HER BEST.

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
21

Scotfree,

Erskine 25/11/2009 10:07:12
Glasgow decline as the second city of the Empire and the world centre for manufacturing is almost entirely coincidental with the rise of the labour party in Glasgow and its attendant dead hand politics.
Like Satan, everything the labour party touches turns to death. In the once thriving Glasgow East as a world centre of locomotive manufacture, since labours nationalisation of the railways, industrial death, reflected in social death with the worst child poverty and lowest life expectancy in Europe, a sense of utter hopelessness, firmly in labours satanic grip.
Labour lives in darkness and hates the light of truth and hope, all the press and media are in their grip.
The truth seeks out through darkness and illusion. Scotland will be free. If Scotlands oil wealth was funnelled into Scottish industry rather than London banks for City speculation we can in a few short years rebuild Scotlands industrial base and offer real employment and hope to the Scottish people. Before this happens the nationalist have to awaken the people of Glasgow from their labour death sleep and realise that this is an either or struggle. The labour party must not be defeated, it must be destroyed.
22

Cockney Ranger,

Falkirk 25/11/2009 10:15:09
These people who whinge about their history and state everything should be about the present and future. Well this is a piece of engineering produced over 65 years ago and with the help of apprentices (another socialist gripe)is to be restored for future generations of Scots and others to admire our past.

The article doesn't say exactly who is the recipient of £74 million is, fairly certain the left wing govenment of South Africa will get a share and spend it helping their people ?.
I wonder how much the South Africans were going to charge Chinese comrades for the loco ?.
23

Douglas,

Bathgate 25/11/2009 10:33:19
#22 Cockney Ranger: The £74 million is for the building of a museum, not the purchase of the locomotive. But you knew that didn't you?
24

Mrs Broon,

Scotland 25/11/2009 10:42:57
It would be nice if we still produced world class engineering, if instead of building the British War Machine aka war ships, we were producing cruise liners. These at least make money not, cost money. It would be really nice if the Edinburgh Tram line was being installed by a Scottish company and not a German one which has already been on the fiddle in Canada, so much for the thousands of pounds of consultants fees which so reflect the Labour Government of any type.
I do think that 74million could be better spent especially as we are about to have unleashed on us another Unionist Government who will sacrifice Scotland for the Greater Good of England and we will probably thanks to the rubbish conceived by the Unionist media have another feeble lot of Labour MPs thanks to the West Coast Scotland Unionist Mafia.
Just to finish as we were not allowed to comment on the subject of the Poll, may I say that until me and mine get a say in a proper referendum, you can trumpet as much as you like how the people of Scotland will vote, especially as it is coming from vested interests.
25

Cockney Ranger,

Falkirk 25/11/2009 10:44:19
#23
I offer my apologies
26

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25/11/2009 10:59:52
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27

Buttress,

25/11/2009 11:23:42
Brilliant news. Let's also hope it can steam and haul again. It needs to be seen working, not as a static display model.

Shame about the cash being wasted on the so-called 'iconic' jumble of roofs that is the Hadid building. Why was a Scottish architect not employed to build something far better and probably cheaper?
28

Buttress,

25/11/2009 11:25:33
13 - sad loser that I am, I point out it's a locomotive not a train.

:-)
29

Americanbob,

25/11/2009 11:26:57

I hate to sound like an anorak guys, but what we are talking about here is a locomotive, not a train. I kinda doubt that the museum could house an entire train!
30

Americanbob,

25/11/2009 11:27:55
# 28 Oops sorry, we obviously had the same thought at the same time!
31

Greyhound Welfare,

South Wales 25/11/2009 11:54:17
At least the £74 million has been put to some use that the General Public will be able to see what was the glory of Gkasgow. Far better than the Billions of pounds that have been used to prop up dodgy UK banks so that their high level managers can get their millions of pounds of bonuses and pensions, whilst they were destroying those banks by dodgy dealings..
32

Tom Cambeul,,

North 25/11/2009 12:20:52
la bonbon, you are an idiot, so your french nom de plume fits!!!
33

bus user,

edinburgh 25/11/2009 12:21:42
TGlasgow's locomotives were made in Springburn in the North or Polmadie in the South. They were shipped our from Stobcross in the West and probably used material made at Parkhead Forge in the East. Not a transpotter, just had family members work in each area. No-one seems to think it's good experience for the apprentices, which of course it is! To #21, the political history of Glasgow is a bit more complex than you describe, although it is true that single-party domination in the last fifty years has not necessarily been a good thing for the people of Glasgow.
34

Son of one of Stirlings finest,

Weston S Mare 25/11/2009 12:30:04

I think the thing should be melted down and made into a giant statue of Pat Nevin, to be erected in Birkenhead in recognition of a Scottish gentleman, who when at Tranmere Rovers gave so much pleasure with his sublime footballing skills.
35

Rob Royston,

25/11/2009 12:39:46
2 , Fifi la Bonbon,
"The reason so many locomotives to be sent all over the empire were built in Glasgow is that the empire wouldn't allow countries where they were sold to like South Africa to build locomotives themselves."

This is the type of belly rumbling that has made Scotland an industrial backwater.

The reason so many locomotives were built in Glasgow, not just for the Empire, was that Glasgow was an engineering centre of excellence, and nobody can set up one of these everywhere the product is required.

Today, if you need a quality car, bus or truck it will probably come from Sweden or Germany. It may be assembled in the UK or some other backward country, but the technical work will be done where they know how.

There is still a nucleus of engineering excellence in Scotland and this locomotive will help maintain the flickering flame of hope until we reclaim our country from detractors like yourself.
36

Proper Job,

25/11/2009 12:40:51
As ever, a series of uninteresting, uninformed, idiotically prejudiced and commonly nationalist 'comments' from the same parade of serial losers who turn up on every Scotsman story.

And as ever, they firmly believe that everyone is entitled to THEIR own drivel-filled opinion. Sad loser eedjits.

(With apologies to the few sane and informed folk who banged their heads against the walls of ignorance put up by these losers every day)
37

Ulster Protestant,

25/11/2009 13:13:21
Maybe we should be looking at the complete waste of money and instituation that is a national disgrace - the Scottish parliament. Devolution is botched, and should be reversed.
38

Mèths,

25/11/2009 13:17:55
37

Loved the way you managed to bring in the subject of locomotives. Well done.

ps - wtf is "instituation "
39

Ulster Protestant,

25/11/2009 13:25:00
Meths, there are bigger fish to fry in this country, than a locomotive. Get things into perspective.
40

Ianfraefife,

Abernethy 25/11/2009 13:36:13
Hardly today's news is it?
This very locomotive was on display in Glasgow in August 2007. Google class 15f locomotive to see it.
41

Mèths,

25/11/2009 13:49:55
39

Aye - yer right.
42

Armstrong Cowan Again,

Germany 25/11/2009 13:50:29
Sorry I was a trainspotter and yes I had an anorak . The end of steam around 1964 -1966 was a traumatic period. I visited Polmadie literally at end of the last working shift with dozens of locomotives still in steam. Later I was at , I think Motherwell where hundreds of steam engines were being scrapped. With the last great steam engine - The Morning Star - being built in 1960 it did seem a huge waste to move so suddenly out of the steam era.
It doesn't matter which party is in power the simple truth is that we need a rebirth of manufacturing not only in Glasgow but across Scotland and Britain.
Now where is the Desiro Class 380 built and by whom? Anybody know?
43

Ianfraefife,

Abernethy 25/11/2009 14:03:31
#42
Being built by Siemens and destined for the West Coast suburban routes.......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_380
44

Armstrong Cowan Again,

25/11/2009 14:23:56
# 43 thanks - just as I suspected. The very company now being asked to tender to build 10 new nuclear power stations in the UK. whatever happened to Sir Arnold Weinstock and his billions of pounds cash pile. Oh I forgot our financial engineers and very important management consultants got to it. Is GEC now called Invensys . Still it could be worse - Diagio or Ofyego or Offwego with your cash!
45

Arthur G,

Glasgow 25/11/2009 15:09:31
\earic #11

Having been brought up in Roseberry Street, in The Oatlands, which is adjacent Polmadie Road where the premises of the North British Locomotive Company's Queen's Park Works reside (it is still a British Rail property), I can state unequivically that Polmadie (meaning "Pool of the Wolf" or the instruction to stop given to her horse 'Maddie' by Mary Queen of Scots, depending on which legend you choose to believe)is in the Southside of Glasgow.

See:
http://www.pagemost.com/Oatlands-Glasgow
46

Gresley,

Northumberland 25/11/2009 15:53:16
Once again its great to read about the Scots attitude to the English.

Why do you have to twist every story around to this?

The fate of Glasgow is no different to that of my own city, Newcastle. Once great shipbuilder, coal exporter, manufacturing centre of excellence well in decline.

£74m spent on the museum? Lovely to see money being invested. As long as its spent on construction, creating jobs up north, then thats good economic sense. Since successive Westminster governments have torn out the industrial heartlands of both our nations, we only have construction left as an area to give real stimulus to the economy.

Just remember that a huge proportion of scots work in the public sector. Is that sustainable? dont think so.
47

Buttress,

25/11/2009 15:58:28
#46 Actually, the cash is way over the top, but they went for an 'iconic' yawn Zaha Hadid building. It's a bit of a dog's dinner, but as with all her buildings it's 'cutting-edge' so is expensive and difficult to construct.

A simple structure would have sufficed and more cash spent on exhibits...

48

Buttress,

25/11/2009 16:16:45
Read the bumph and weep

http://www.glasgowarchitecture.co.uk/museum_of_transport_glasgow.php



49

westview,

Ex Soothside. 25/11/2009 16:36:32
I remember the Tanks and Railway Engines that were transported through Govanhill ,on the Southside of Glasgow , to the Glasgow Docks. From there they were shipped off to far away places. I also remember,(from when I worked in the Docks),all the train loads of Tram rails that had been dug up from glasgow streets, that were shipped off to the far East to be turned into cars and motorbikes etc. I wonder how long it will be before the new laid Tram rails in Edinburgh are also dug up and sold abroad? After all ,flexable "electric bus" mass transport system will come in one day. Just as it has in forward thinking Colombia.
50

The Chook ai Argyll,

25/11/2009 21:05:02
Well.....that'll teach me to mess with the train spotting fraternity....but I still think it's a helluva waste of 74 million !
51

Corky,

25/11/2009 21:23:15
Did you hear about the bloke who was run over by a steam train?

He was chuffed to bits!
52

The Chook ai Argyll,

25/11/2009 21:52:28
#52....is that a threat ?
53

MattyMat,

Cali 03/12/2009 00:53:32
Will we get to smell the engineer's seat to see what he had for lunch??

 

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