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Crucial gun-control case opens at US Supreme Court



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Published Date: 19 March 2008
A LANDMARK court hearing that could redefine gun control in the United States for a generation got under way at the Supreme Court yesterday.
Against a background of campus shootings and a high murder rate, gun control activists are hoping the court will agree individual states can pass their own gun control laws.

The case was brought by a security guard, Richard Heller, who wants to o
verturn the law of Washington DC that bans handgun ownership.

Mr Heller argues that the Second Amendment of the constitution allows individuals to keep weapons, and that the city must follow suit.

Victory for Mr Heller could force a chain-reaction across the US as dozens of states are forced to repeal their gun laws, making the coming decision as important for gun control as Roe v Wade was for abortion rights.

"These are extreme measures," said Mr Heller's lawyer Alan Gura of Washington's handgun ban.

But Washington argues that, with firearms crime exploding across America, the city had to take action. "Handgun crime has gone down since the law was enacted," said the mayor, Adrian Fenty.

At issue is probably the most contentious sentence in the US constitution, a phrase that has been argued about for generations.

The Second Amendment states: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

America's most eminent constitutional lawyers are split on whether this limits gun ownership to members of militias, a debate fuelled by the vagueness of the original phrasing.

But no test case has managed to resolve the issue: the last time the Supreme Court tried was 70 years ago, and it failed to issue a definitive judgment.

For Washington DC, the meaning of the Second Amendment is clear. "It is related to the use of weapons as part of the civic duty of common defence," said Washington's lawyer, Walter Dellinger.

"This (The DC law] is an extremely reasonable law. They have singled out handguns because they are mobile, they can be taken on buses, on the metro, into schools."

The judges yesterday appeared split, with some arguing that the United States had moved on since the days when settlers had to guard against bands of brigands. "We now have police departments," said Justice Stephen Breyer. "We give leeway to cities and states to work out what is reasonable."

Against this, conservatives insist that if the framers of the constitution had wanted to ban guns, they would have said so outright, as did the authors of the English Bill of Rights, on which much of the US constitution is based.

"As I remember legislation against Scottish Highlanders, legislators forbade them to bear arms," said conservative judge Antonin Scalia.

What makes the ruling so crucial is that, without a firm constitutional judgment to guide them, growing numbers of states are passing their own gun-control laws.

The court decision is expected this summer, guaranteeing that it will become a key issue in the November presidential election.

Few debates polarise Americans like gun control, with Democrats overwhelming for it and Republicans against, and the Bush administration urging the judges to rule in favour of gun ownership.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the topic came in 1939 in US v Miller, which involved a sawn-off shotgun.





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  • Last Updated: 18 March 2008 11:40 PM
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19/03/2008 00:22:02
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Carolyn 1,

19/03/2008 01:48:18
When I attended Catholic University in Washington DC I was the victim of a horrible crime and d-mned lucky to survive. Being held at gunpoint was just one of the problems I dealt with then and I still deal with.
Needless to say I lived in fear afterwards. My finance insisted on buying a gun to protect us. I refused to have one in the house because I believed it would be an accident waiting to happen- he or I would be the one killed, not the intruder. We didn't get a gun, although a few years later I did learn to use one and practiced twice a month on a target range.

Because of personal experience, I see all sides of this argument: 1. I agree there are definitely times when you need to protect yourself. 2. If we outlaw guns only crooks will have guns. 3. A gun in a household is dangerous for lots of reasons.
But I still believe we should have the right to defend ourselves and our family.
Taking care of and protecting your family against aggression is important and having a gun or using it should not be a crime.
There does need to be strict waiting periods to buy a gun and a federal clearance and security check for a license agreed to by all states.
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Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 19/03/2008 02:04:54
Since the Left is perfectly happy to take "strict constructionist" views of all the rest of the Bill of Rights", it has always intrigued me that they make an exception for the Second Amendment.
Not convenient to long-term plans, perhaps?
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19/03/2008 03:34:20
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Greg Norris,

Pensacola 19/03/2008 05:07:31
I agree with most of what has been said so far in these comments. Every citizen has a GOD GIVEN right to protect themselves and their families. If we take away the right from citizens of the U.S. to own firearms within their houses, the ONLY prople who are left with guns ( handguns or rifles ) will be criminals. It amazes me that people think that by taking away rights from law abiding citizens that criminals will follow along with the laws as well ... WAKE UP AMERICA.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 19/03/2008 06:29:43
I agree that we should all have the right to protect ourselves and our homes. I am quite happy to shoot any invader. Invaders take the risk and get what they deserve.

I don't see though how we keep guns from baddies. We seem to be failing with that in Britain.
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ghost chaser,

the other side of the pond 19/03/2008 07:12:40
I realize this is a very heated debate that will not come to a conclusion anytime soon. the U.S.A. was built upon a set of amendments that was to protect our freedom of life, and liberties. I can't help but feel, that if we take away any of the amendments of the constitution then all the amendments are in jeopardy of being taken away. these are the foundations of our nation . If you don't like guns don't own one if you don't like free speech then it won't be long until you will be silenced ????? just use a bit common . i do not own a gun but if i needed to for some unforeseen reason i want to know that option is there for me. that is just my opinion.
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ddmc,

19/03/2008 07:29:10
#6 your right, gun prohibition in the UK won't ever stop criminals getting there hands on guns, the only people to suffer death are those who are unarmed.
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Biker,

Ayr 19/03/2008 09:38:19
To those who quote the second ammendment. Read it again in it's entirety. To quote it in abreviation is to scew the truth.
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Guga II,

Rockall 19/03/2008 09:50:23
The gun legislation in the YUK is such that the only people who carry guns with impunity are criminals. All the legislation in the world won't stop that.

The YUK government are, of course, too scared that the population might eventually rise up against them, particularly with their Stalinist, totalitarian approach towards the people. They will rise up against them, but they won't need guns to get rid of the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party, as the next general election will show.
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Allan(handofgod137),

19/03/2008 12:53:47
Keep up the fight, the uk has draconian gun control laws, and the deaths from shootings by banned handguns are rising every year.
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Theodore,

Denver 19/03/2008 13:20:05
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Compare the number of deaths connected with handguns in the USA...and Canada...where guns are available licensed, to the general public.

If you check the figures you'll find proportionally Canada has far fewer deaths recorded.

Why is this so? Are the Canadians more attuned to the responsibilities of gun ownership? Or do the American people value human life any less? A very debatable subject posters!
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Allan(handofgod137),

19/03/2008 14:18:56
12 Compare the number of gun deaths in Switzerland, which has one of the highest levels of private gun ownership in the world to that of the USA, then compare the numbers of illegal immigrants and non caucasians.
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Theodore,

19/03/2008 14:58:34
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Interesting point, are you maintaining that the particular 'race' of a gun owner is indicative of a higher yeild in gunshot deaths in the USA?
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 19/03/2008 16:19:23
Changing the law will not matter. There are so many guns available in America that a ban will change nothing.

They need tighter regulation of who can carry a gun and tougher penalties for those who carry a gun without license.

If you cannot stop several hundred thousand mexicans, hundreds of tonnes of drugs why think they will be able to stop guns coming into the country.
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19/03/2008 16:21:28
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Allan(handofgod137),

19/03/2008 17:36:01
Scotsman mods, why has my comment at 17 been removed, it only states facts, and facts are not racist.
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Smiley67,

New Jersey 19/03/2008 19:49:39
Tom in Belmont - You are right, I'm coming from the left, we have the right to bear arms. Always will.
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Mine's an 80 bob,

Edinburgh 19/03/2008 22:41:34
10 Guga

Well said!
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57Nomad,

california 19/03/2008 22:51:15
#9 Biker

Your position is held by many. It is the argument most commonly used but there is a reason why. It has to do with the meaning of the word 'militia.' Read American history of the Revolutionary period. The heart of the matter is that the militia is made up entirely of civilians. It is not the National Guard. The National Guard is a government controlled armed force. The militia are simply armed civilian citizens organized on their own and their main function is not to defend against enemies from without, its function is to prevent tyranny from within. It is the civilians defending themselves from a domestic threat to individual liberty. It is not to protect the government it is to protect citizens FROM the government.

Here are two quotes from George Washington to illustrate this notion.

"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

and

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

While guns are a handy weapon to deal with criminals they are essential to maintaining liberty. Human nature never changes. The will to power lives within every community of people. Consequently, it is imperative for one and all to know that even the appearance of a power grab by any group or individual will be confronted by a determined and well armed populace. We will not surrender our arms.
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American,

20/03/2008 22:31:52
The supreme court and states can ban guns all they want. If I want a gun, I'll just get it off the black market like the gang members do.
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Biker,

ayr 21/03/2008 10:31:30
57 Nomad. Thank you for your post. The fact is that people such as the NRA consistantly use the 2nd ammendment to justify the ownership of firearms. As far as I can see this argument is flawed. It may be your individual right to own a gun, but with that comes the responsability to use it correctly.
Sadly over the past number of years, many innocents have died at the hands of unballanced gunmen (or women)and the time is now upon the US to attempt to limit this damage.
Here in the UK the problem is on the rise, largely due to the almost freely available firearms, probably due to the fall of the Iron Curtain. We have no 2nd ammendment to justify ownership.
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owidf,

21/03/2008 18:43:44
This is in response to #13 and #14. By no means am I a racist in any sense of the word, but when I had read what their conversation was about I found it to be interesting. I'm currently studying sociology at the University of Pitt and it is true that although african americans make up only 12% of the U.S. population, they have accounted for 48% of the murders since 2005.
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owidf,

21/03/2008 18:45:15
Again, I'm not agreeing with what was said, I'm just stating a fact that pertained to the comments.
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Knightstar,

Garland Texas 22/03/2008 14:41:33
As much of a Bigot as Archy Bunker was he did put some things in perspective.

He told Meat Head when discussing the pro - cons of gun control " Would you feel better if they had been through out a window"

When I was a young man, I could physically defend myself, so I didn't even think about gun control. However, having been a service man, I owned them.

Now as a older and more venerable individual, I have obtained a license to carry a fire arm.

To obtain a license requires a degree of skill with the weapon, an understanding of the law, and a back ground check.

When confronted by an assailant, one does not have the luxury of calling for help.

A person must have a means to protect themselves and their family.

As Archy said, does it matter how they kill or torture you. Do you feel better if your child, or wife, is raped at gunpoint or stabbed with an ice pick.

Where criminals know you are helpless, you truly are a victim. Remember, if you don't want a gun, you don't need one.



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57Nomad,

california 23/03/2008 07:43:14
#23 Biker

First of all thank you for you cordial and thoughtful reply, much appreciated. Neither the NRA nor any group or individual 'uses' the second amendment to justify the ownership of firearms. The second amendment guarantees this right. We all understand the periodic outrages committed by deranged individuals. Arguments to counter this are along the lines of this. Only the maniacs were armed. All of the victims were unarmed. Had they been armed the psychopaths would have inflicted much less pain. But, still, this is a side issue.

The founders of this country went to great pains to devolve the power of government to the individual citizen. What they were most worried about and the thing that is our chief concern today is not the depredations that can be committed by individuals against individuals no matter how depraved they may be.
A man may always defend himself from another man, but he is hard pressed to defend himself against the government.

When the two dangers are weighed in the balance the gravest danger is the power of government. A good example of this is the subject of health care. In Europe it is a widespread view that the American lack of government sponsored and administered universal health insurance is a sign of an uncaring government. This is not true at all.

If Americans wanted it we could have it very quickly. Why don't we? Here is the reason, we do not wish to entrust the government with our health care. It gives the government control over our lives in a pervasive and insidious way. Nor do we wish to give the government the exclusive right to protect us, we are capable of doing it ourselves and in a much more timely basis provided we have the means to do so.

This is one of those issues where the weight of history forms our outlook on this subject. European history leads Europeans to view it one way, our history inclines us in a different direction. It doesn't mean that one is right and the other is wrong. It means tha
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57Nomad,

california 23/03/2008 07:44:45
#27 contd.


It doesn't mean that one is right and the other is wrong. It means that what is right for one may not be right for the other, so it is possible for conflicting points of view both to be right.

 

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