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Published Date: 07 November 2009
CHANCELLOR Alistair Darling has given a clear signal that he will not inflate government spending further with a fresh "fiscal stimulus", as he begins the task of hauling down Britain's deficit of £175 billion.
In an interview with The Scotsman ahead of a G20 meeting in St Andrews today, Mr Darling suggested that, while he intended to increase public spending by £30bn next year, an extra fiscal stimulus this autumn on top of that was unlikely.

Instead, he said he needed to strike a balance between supporting the flat-lining UK economy with continued government cash and getting the country's huge fiscal deficit back under control.

The Chancellor's move comes after reports earlier this week which suggested that Gordon Brown wanted to unveil a further multi-billion-pound spending spree to support the faltering recovery.

Mr Darling is preparing to unveil his pre-budget report in the next few weeks, when he will set out the government's fresh spending plans. Last year, the Chancellor unveiled a £16bn fiscal stimulus before Christmas. This included the cut in VAT, which ends in the new year.

Mr Darling said many of the government's existing measures, such as the car scrappage scheme, would continue next year as public spending rose to support the economy.

But asked whether there was room for an extra fiscal stimulus on top of that, he said: "I don't think people are talking in terms of extra stimulus. What they are talking about is making sure that we continue to support our economy."

He continued: "The stimulus was needed 12 months ago, and that money is in the economy. It's having an effect, it's working its way through. It takes time. I'm anxious that we maintain that support for our economy, but I'm also anxious, and I've been clear about this for a year now, that there are two parts to the strategy – support now, but also making sure we get our borrowing down."

Mr Darling's aides last night said the details of the pre-budget report were still to be decided, and added that the Treasury was committed to giving continued support to the economy.

But his comments suggest that the Treasury is nervous of a fresh "spending splurge" when borrowing has already reached record levels. Any marked increase to that borrowing could unnerve financial markets and pour fresh doubts on the UK's ability to service its vast debts.

The Chancellor said the economy was still in a "fragile" state, adding: "We're not out of the woods yet." It was now the task of government to ensure that the recovery of the UK economy was on a firm footing.

He continued: "You need to establish that once the recovery is started it is firmly established. Then you do need to make sure you rebuild your position."

Mr Darling also indicated that, had the Bank of England not injected some £200bn of cash into the economy since the summer through the controversial policy of quantitative easing, then deflation would have been a real possibility.

"If that money wasn't in the economy, credit would have been more constrained and there would have been a great risk you would see deflation," he said.

Mr Darling will today host the meeting of the G20 finance ministers, where they are set to discuss plans for long-term growth and a deal on climate finance.

In a speech last night, he said it was vital for the G20 nations to continue to "support demand and repair the financial system".

"We cannot yet be sure the global recovery has sufficient momentum to be sustained and durable," he warned.

"Once we are through this, we must co-ordinate our plans for the recovery, just as we have co-ordinated our response to this crisis."

Mr Darling was backed last night by a report from the International Monetary Fund, which warned G20 group members that they should not choke off emergency support for their economies too quickly.

"One of the key lessons from the experience of similar crises is that withdrawing policy stimulus too early can be very costly, particularly if the financial system remains vulnerable and prone to adverse shocks," the IMF paper said.

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  • Last Updated: 07 November 2009 12:04 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 06/11/2009 22:38:27
Another benefit of the union.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 00:07:07

All we can do is believe Alistair Darling knows what he is talking about, and leave it in his credible hands, as we have few options for anything else.

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07/11/2009 00:21:46
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 00:26:27

~3.
jafra,

Thankyou, I could do with a lttle Love.



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07/11/2009 00:30:00
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livilion,

livingston 07/11/2009 00:32:14
£1.5trillion in debt, that they admit to, and another £500bn+ off the balance sheet that they don't, and THIS is the party that issued dire warnings of financial 'black holes' for us if we dared vote for the SNP and a £5,000 tax bill for every home in Scotland!

Frankly, how long can we really afford to continue to bale out UKplc?
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07/11/2009 00:33:37
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07/11/2009 00:40:33
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 00:50:25

Fan clue would be nice, and also, being paid for putting the Scotsman's News ratings up, would add to my unclaimed bonuses.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 01:31:26

ok!
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07/11/2009 01:46:40
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Alice Cooper,

YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR BRAIN IS ROTTEN,YOU KEEP VOTING 07/11/2009 03:14:42
want to see the result of 75 years of labour mps being always voted in ,in glasgow ,watch this
they may be glaswegians ,but they are human beings and deserve better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kls37DqxjG8&feature=fvw
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Alice Cooper,

07/11/2009 03:15:49
move over darling---you aint doing it,blind freddy could do better
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Vista,

07/11/2009 03:59:46
2. Charles Linskaill.

"All we can do is believe Alistair Darling knows what he is talking about, and leave it in his credible hands, as we have few options for anything else"

Chuck,
(a) Do you honestly believe that Alistair Darling knows what he is talking about? Yes/No will suffice.

(b) Do you believe his hands are credible based on past performance? Again yes/no will suffice.
18

Vista,

07/11/2009 04:05:02
The British Government.

A Scottish Buffoon

financed by,

A second Scottish Buffoon
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Dr Mike,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 06:35:34
Darling could do no worse than call for a 100% windfall tax on Goldman Sachs' profits, and the US should do the same. That would net both governments a fair return on a portion of their investments and send a clear message to the parasitic fast traders that siphoning eye watering amounts of cash from the economy is unacceptable.
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KampungHighlander,

07/11/2009 07:28:44
#18 Vista

I think the Prime Minister would be very insulted by you referring to him as a "Scottish Buffoon".

He is, and always will be, a North British Buffoon.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 07/11/2009 07:32:35
Dr. Mike

"Darling could do no worse than call for a 100% windfall tax on Goldman Sachs' profits, and the US should do the same."

Great plan if your goal is to get them to move all their well paying jobs somewhere else.

Why Goldman Sachs?

They did not take any public money.
22

Jobless recovery,

07/11/2009 08:06:23
Lies and false promises. It's too late.

Hold on to your bank accounts because you're going to feel some pain in 2010. You should've bought gold.
23

KampungHighlander,

07/11/2009 08:44:02
On a Lighter Note. Labours Postal Ballot Campaign is off to a Flying Start.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HWui4OZawc
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/11/2009 09:38:33
"I was quite impressed", said Jim McCullogh, ace guitar man (ex Tools), precission machinist and goldsmith.

On hearing the Roach Brothers latest CD.

www.bluesmatters.com/

Get onboard!

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Frank Spencer and Betty,

07/11/2009 10:02:46
Of course Aistair Darling knows what he is talking about.

He has got to get the UKs massive debt down so the best way to do that is to get the country into even more debt by borrowing £billions more to give to the banks so that they can lend that money out to our already massively in debt companies and people can get into even more debt and thus helping the poor bankers get even richer.

Of course he knows what he is doing fiscally he is a lawyer!
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Ben Thehoose,

07/11/2009 10:25:20
If only he'd said and done that at the start we would already be emerging from the Brown disaster.
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livilion,

livingston 07/11/2009 11:10:21
Darling is simply doing what he would've done as a law student, run up his credit cards to their limits and then when they got too hot, employed quantitative easing by taking out new credit cards and transfering the balance around them until he graduated and got a job.

These days instead of taking out credit cards he can simply print money to take the heat off. Thankfully for Darling he has a get out of jail free card, he can retire from office next year and hand this debt to someone else.

We call it the Union Dividend.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 07/11/2009 11:31:38
Maybe he should have checked this out with the Prime Monster first as Broon seems to have other ideas about how to ruin the economy for everyone but especially the Tories who are about to inherit the Mother of All Debts. This 6 month wait until he gets booted out is destined to be a pretty expensive one.
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danbob,

07/11/2009 12:42:42
27# Dont forget that part of your union dividend was bailing out two scottish banks.
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Jo Public,

07/11/2009 13:03:58
#29. Don't forget either that part of the union dividend is handing over all your country's revenue to the London Exchequer and receiving pocket money back.
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 13:44:04
#6 Are you for real ? Don't you acceot that the bulk of the debt wea re now facing is down to rank bad management of two SCOTTISH based banks, which we all thought were prudent and well run and turned out to be nothing of the sort. If Scotland had been independent the resuklt would have made the Darien misadventure in the late 17th Century look like a good bit of business.

Get real guys we caused the problems more than most so show a bit of humility !!
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 13:44:26
accept
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 13:50:35
31 They were no more Scottish banks that Russ Abbott was Scottish in his Jimmy wig you fool. The majority of debts were NOT located in Scotland. We weren't liable for them. What is the matter with you people that want to talk Scotland down all the time. Are you daft.
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 13:51:49
#23 Sorry but was that a show of admiration for Labours party machine. The difference is that the SNP have been much more organised than Labour of late but you can't criticise Labour for using one of the voting tools, ie postal voting, if that helps get more numbers at the end of the day.

I can just hear the accusations of corruption but thats what our regulatory authorities are for ie to make sure that those applying for postal votes are entitled to do so. If Labour has been able to persuade Mr and Mrs Smith to use their vote when they might otherwise have not voted at all then good on them, and I'm saying that as a non Labour supporter. Anything that spikes Salmond's guns is good in my book !!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 13:52:38
Banks are the engine rooms of the capitalist system. They don't have a nationality.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 13:53:56
34 The Labour Party machine is destroying the general public's faith in democratic politics. Oh a big well done. Hip hip hooray.
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 13:54:02
#33 Nice one. Isn't it funny how the Banks WERE Scottish when all was going swimmingly and Salmond was factoring in their corporation tax under a future independent Scotland. You can't have it both ways sunshine !!!
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 13:56:28
Observer you really are a moron aren't you. What about Salmond's manipulation of the polling papers in 2007 to make sure his name was top of the list, a tactic severely criticised during the subsequent enquiry. My my you SNP guys are highly selective aint you !!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 13:57:06
37 No the banks were never Scottish, sweetheart. Salmond was talking mince.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 13:58:23
39 that was merely being clever - unionists should try it. Being found guilty of breaching the law and getting let off with it a la Wendy Alexander was not clever.
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 13:59:59
MMM just like Salmond claiming £400 a month to stuff his face when he wasn't even in London.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 14:01:55
41 Stop being silly MPs expenses are a diversion from the reality that this Govt has landed us with more debt than WW2 did, and we didn't even get to beat the Nazis.
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 14:02:59
Salmond, Clever ? An oxymoron there methinks. Remember he said thet HBoS's problems were caused by spivs and speculators and that the bank was otherwise sound. That really does take the biscuit for a misreading of reality !!
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 14:03:52
MMMM funny hows its a diversion when it doesn't suit your argument
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 14:05:53
Simple question .....did salmond claim £400 a month in April and May 2007 for food allowances at Westminster when he spent the entire time campaigning in the Scottish elections ? Its not difficult you know. Yes or No ???????
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 14:06:48
43 Absolutely no politician with the exception of Vince Cable predicted this. Which is quite scary actually considering that a certain gent now buried in Highgate Cemetary told us exactly how capitalism works rather a long time ago.

However if you are as old as me you will remember when the SNP were rather a fringe party - I suggest getting to be First Minister shows a degree of cleverness that even unionists should acknowledge.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 14:07:43
No.
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Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/11/2009 14:09:54
MMMMMM so you deny the facts then
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 14:12:15
48 Tut tut I want to talk about the nature of capitalism and you are focussed on food. You really shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers dear, it's bad for your credibility.
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DaveAway,

07/11/2009 14:20:33
#40 Observer

Wendy Alexender was FRAMED by evil Labour toadies! She is INNOCENT!

Wendy for Queen!

(BTW banks are simply extensions of the local powerbase and are indeed national entities - it's why powerful countries banks try and take over the banks of other countries. One reason Canada isn't in as much trouble as some is that Canadian banks managed to ramp up enough cash to avoid takeover by foreign banks in the 1990's. As the Scripture says, "The borrower will be the lender's slave". As our own prophets have said, "He who pays the Piper calls the tune....")
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Fitba Krazy,

07/11/2009 14:21:42
34, Esox Hunter,

Anyting that spikes Alex Salmonds guns is fine by you?

So you think the people of Scotland should stay as a subservient underclass because you don't like Alex Salmond?

The Royal bank of Scotland was run by idiots and was no longer Scottish, Just like SCOTLAND is not independent thanks to wallopers like you.
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DaveAway,

07/11/2009 14:23:20
#45 Esox

So which would you rather have? A fellow who spends 400 a month on necessities or one who spends edging on a fifth of a BILLION more than he has per year.

Maybe Salmond should have Darling's job.......
53

Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 14:23:46
50 Hello where have you been.

Banks SHOULD be extensions of the local powerbase and national entities. Unfortunately RBS HBOS etc got totally carried away with themselves (encouraged by New Labour) and forgot the basic rules. Like you shouldn't lend money you don't have to people who can't pay it back etc.

54

Fitba Krazy,

07/11/2009 14:24:04
38 Esox Hunter,

So you don't mind the BNP being top of the list just the SNP?

Esox's Fables mer like.
55

DaveAway,

07/11/2009 14:30:31
53 Hi Observer :-) I was waiting for the Herald to reopen commenting....I've given up. I learn at least as much from the comments as I do from the articles :-)

Agreed with regard to the bank failure reasons. Greed overcoming common sense. Another reason the Canadian banks are in better shape is that they retained more conservative banking practices (another reason is that certain prohibitions on speculation lifted in the States were never legally lifted here preventing Roulette style investing on massively leveraged tools like Hedge Funds.....).

Maybe it's time for a New Bank of Scotland.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 14:37:41
55 I don't think the Herald will re-open comments and in a way I am quite glad. I rather like reading it's more balanced stories without the distraction of mentalist comments.

I agree that what we need is more conservative banking. The casino capitalist players should be siphoned off to play with money that doesn't essentially matter. Rich men's games - let them get on with it.

Real world banking should do what it says on the tin.
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KampungHighlander,

07/11/2009 15:01:40
#50 Dave Away

"One reason Canada isn't in as much trouble as some is that Canadian banks managed to ramp up enough cash to avoid takeover by foreign banks in the 1990's."

You can't takeover a Canadian Bank. The law does not allow anyone to own more than 10% of the shares in any Canadian Bank.
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Fitba Krazy,

07/11/2009 15:04:51
56, Observer,

The Herald are feart to allow comments. You may think it is balanced but that is relative. Who are you comparing it with? The Daily mince? The Sun shines oot their bahookies?

The Herald misses out many stories that appear in even the LONDON Times and hardly face up to Labour compared to the English papers. So, all in all the Herald isnae that great efter a, imo. It may have improved a wee bit since that clown Fraser left and Iain MacWhirter and Paul Hutcheon are okay. Although Iain MacWhirter was/is a Labour supporter it appears he is appalled at their corruption unlike many who are ridiculous apologists. However, overall they could do much better.

This paper has some who talk a load of mince and are full of anti SNP propaganda but in a way that is fine as long as you get the chance to comment which may not be a facility that is available on all the stories due to the sensitive nature of them and the 100% likelihood of the comments being too robust for their liking. Obviously there is a biased agenda just like all 'newspapers' and it is a sure sign of Scotland being subjugated when they all are anti-Scottish Independence.
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Richard Lionheart,

07/11/2009 15:34:02
One day Darling and Broon will wake up and find that they have left their parallel universe!

Broon is either taxing the people in the UK or writing blank cheques for all the other countries around the World. Looks like this week is tax the British week Next week who knows Billions for the Afghans or maybe his favourite Religion Environmentalism!
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dodie,

Kirkcaldy 07/11/2009 15:44:36
What does a lawyer (Darling) or someone with a degree in history (Broon) know about economics? I think the last 12 years tells us the answer to that question!
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 07/11/2009 16:29:12
Ah shucks, come on Alastair give me a billion, pretty please.
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Lance Boyle,

Linlithgow 07/11/2009 17:20:05
Pity about Fiona Hyslop. I thought she was doing a decent enough job.
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 07/11/2009 20:11:03
I feel sorry for Alastair Darling have had to follow Gordon Brown as Chancellor. Brown presided over a decade of good times when he threw caution to the wind and spent whatever he received in taxes. He did not believe it would ever end despite all economic commonsense saying that the growth based on debt was not sustainable.

Brown is still in denial and believes that spending still and printing money will get us out of the fix. It was Darling who warned us some years ago and was reprimanded by Brown for his honesty.

Any fool would have seen that we cannot live off borrowed cash for ever especially when we have been conducting two foreign wars for most of the past 8 years on an economy based not on producing goods but on the churning of digits on computer screens.

But dont just blame Brown, most of us were responsible in our personal lives for buying into this economic charade of debt.
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The Answer,

Glasgow 07/11/2009 20:23:45
Let's hope the scotslanders do England a big favour at the next election and wipe out labour in scotsland.

GB the last scotslander to be prime minister of UK.

Thank's to the SNP......
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livilion,

livingston 08/11/2009 00:02:13
#31 Esox Hunter

TREASURY DEBT IS TWICE CHANCELLOR'S 'SUSTAINABLE FIGURE, SAYS THINK-TANK

Heather Stewart,
economics correspondent
The Observer,
Sunday 4 February 2007

"Gordon Brown has hidden liabilities worth more than £500bn, and the true size of the public debt is up to 87 per cent of GDP, more than twice the Treasury's 'sustainable' limit, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

Using the government's calculations for the cost of public sector pensions, private finance initiative schemes, and Network Rail's debt, which the Treasury guarantees, the think-tank has reached a total figure of more than £1,100bn - twice what the Treasury admits to.

The IFS's Christine Frayne said the £100bn-worth of PFI payments the government has signed up to were not the same as debts, because Whitehall might be able to negotiate them down in future, But she argued that the Treasury's calculations fail to represent the government's true fiscal position. 'It would be nice to see these liabilities taken into account in some way,' she said..."

Now when did the Credit Crunch and the banking failures take effect?

Of course that figure is now reckoned to be around £2.3 Trillion for the Saviour of the World Economy, who warned that voting SNP would cost every household in Scotland £5grand each.
Sounds like a bit of a bargain now doesn't it?

read the rest here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/feb/04/politics.money1
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livilion,

livingston 08/11/2009 00:51:33
Deep joy, terribold thriftymost on your banky balancer, goodlibilode:
now that's what I call gobbledygook.
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Conrad Barabbas Deacon III The Lycanthrope,

Carpathian range 08/11/2009 12:29:52
Next caption writer to use the word 'sustainable' gets a slap.

 

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