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Published Date: 29 April 2008
A LEADING scientist has warned a new species of "humanzee," created from breeding apes with humans, could become a reality unless the government acts to stop scientists experimenting.
In an interview with The Scotsman, Dr Calum MacKellar, director of research at the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, warned the controversial draft Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill did not prevent human sperm being inseminated into animals.

He said if a female chimpanzee was inseminated with human sperm the two species would be closely enough related that a hybrid could be born.

He said scientists could possibly try to develop the new species to fill the demand for organ donors.

Leading scientists say there is no reason why the two species could not breed, although they question why anyone would want to try such a technique.

Other hybrid species already created include crossed tigers and lions and sheep and goats.

Dr MacKellar said he feared the consequences if scientists made a concerted effort to cross humans with chimpanzees. He said: "Nobody knows what they would get if they tried hard enough. The insemination of animals with human sperm should be prohibited.

"The Human Fertilisation and Embryo Bill prohibits the placement of animal sperm into a woman The reverse is not prohibited. It's not even mentioned. This should not be the case."

He said if the process was not banned, scientists would be "very likely" to try it, and it would be likely humans and chimps could successfully reproduce.

"If you put human sperm into a frog it would probably create an embryo, but it probably wouldn't go very far," he said.

"But if you do it with a non-human primate it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be born alive."

Dr MacKellar said the resulting creature could raise ethical dilemmas, such as whether it would be treated as human or animal, and what rights it would have.

"If it was never able to be self-aware or self-conscious it would probably be considered an animal," he said. "However, if there was a possibility of humanzees developing a conscience, you have a far more difficult dilemma on your hands."

He said fascination would be enough of a motive for scientists to try crossing the two species.

But he also said there was a small chance of scientists using the method to "humanise" organs for transplant into humans. "There's a desperate need for organs. One of the solutions that has been looked at is using animal organs, but because there's a very serious risk of rejection using animal organs in humans they are already trying to humanise these organs.

"If they could create these humanzees who are substantially human but are not considered as humans in law , we could have a large provision of organs."

He wrote to the Department of Health to ask that the gap in the draft legislation be addressed.

The department confirmed that the bill "does not cover the artificial insemination of an animal with human sperm".

It said: "Owing to the significant differences between human and animal genomes, they are incompatible and the development of a foetus or progeny is impossible.

"Therefore such activity would have no rational scientific justification, as there would be no measurable outcome."

Dr MacKellar disagrees. He said: "The chromosomal difference between a goat and a sheep is greater than between humans and chimpanzees."

Professor Bob Millar, director of the Medical Research Council Human Reproductive Sciences Unit, based in Edinburgh, agreed viable offspring would be possible. He said: "Donkeys can mate with horses and create infertile offspring; maybe that could happen with chimpanzees."

But he said he would oppose any such attempt. "It's unnecessary and ridiculous and no serious scientist would consider such a thing. Ethically, it's not appropriate.

"It's also completely impractical. Chimps would never be a source of organs for humans because of the viruses they carry and the low numbers."

Professor Hugh McLachlan, professor of applied philosophy at Glasgow Caledonian University's School of Law and Applied Sciences, said although the idea was "troublesome", he could see no ethical objections to the creation of humanzees.

"Any species came to be what it is now because of all sorts of interaction in the past," he said.

"If it turns out in the future there was fertilisation between a human animal and a non-human animal, it's an idea that is troublesome, but in terms of what particular ethical principle is breached it's not clear to me.

"I share their squeamishness and unease, but I'm not sure that unease can be expressed in terms of an ethical principle."

A Department of Health spokeswoman said: "It's just not a problem. If you inseminate an animal with human sperm, scientifically nothing happens. The species barriers are too great."

HYBRIDS ARE AT CROSS PURPOSES

EVEN though hybrids of humans and animals have never been created, many other creatures have been crossed successfully.

Lions and tigers have been bred to create ligers, the world's largest cats.

And there are also zorses (zebra and horse), wholphins (whale and dolphin), tigons (tiger and lion), lepjags (leopard and jaguar) and zonkeys (zebra and donkey).

As well as these hybrid mammals, there are also hybrid birds, fish, insects and plants.

Many hybrids, such as mules, are sterile, which prevents the movement of genes from one species to another, keeping both species distinct. However, some can reproduce and there are scientists who believe that grey wolves and coyotes mated thousands of years ago to create a new species, the red wolf.

More commonly, hybrids mate with one of their parent species, which can influence the genetic mix of what gets passed along to subsequent generations.

Hybrids can have desirable traits, often being fitter or larger than either parent.

Most hybrid animals have been bred in captivity, but there are examples of the process occurring in the wild.

This is far more common in plants than animals but in April 2006 a hunter in Canada's North-west Territories shot a polar bear whose fur had an orange tint.

Research showed that it had a grizzly bear father, and it became known as a pizzly.

In 2003, DNA analysis confirmed that five odd-looking felines found in Maine and Minnesota were bobcat-lynx hybrids, dubbed blynxes.


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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 29/04/2008 00:39:18
This represents the most regressive breeding idea I have every heard, surely as humans we should be encouraging the balanced, intelligent and fit to breed and preventing genetic regression?

The efficiency of eugenics raises its sensible head again. Watch out for those neo-fascist though.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 00:49:28
Confidence In Supply @#5,

Maybe so! but I woudent like you to be walking down the street, and 'bump-into' some sort of, "chimpanzee"
And say it was my doing! :-DD
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Abel Magwitch,

29/04/2008 01:06:13
There are two aspects that have not considered; political correctness and politics.

PC will dictate that the ape-humanoids will be entitled to full voting rights etc. The political outcome will depend on which of the main political parties they favour.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 29/04/2008 02:45:29
Given the fact that China's one child policy is starting to have a serious impact on its labour force how soon will see factories staffed by "Humanzees" producing all the cheap crap we in the West love to buy?

It would also be helpful in making up the shortfall in their organ harvesting programs when they run out of Falun Gong practitioners.

I doubt the Chinese Government will have any moral difficulty in denying the "Humanzees" rights as they seem to have no problem in denying rights for humans.
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DunCraig,

Brisbane 29/04/2008 03:27:45
Planet of the Apes, here we come! "Get your hands off me, you damned dirty ape!"
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 29/04/2008 03:52:20
This might also be the perfect solution for Gordon Browns trouble with rebellious back-benchers.

It might cost you a lot of bananas but they would save public funds on furnishing their london apartments. A tire swing should be enough to keep them happy.
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James,

Dundee 29/04/2008 06:03:52
I'm sure I saw them wearing Blue and Green favours on Sunday?
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Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 29/04/2008 06:52:54
#9 -Charles Linskaill

What might be worse, Charles, if you are walking down Princes Street and across the street you see a chimpanzee that bears a striking resemblance to yourself...with DYW walking hand-in-hand with said
Chimp!
Ok, I know it's not funny, but the devil made me type that!!!
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 07:14:28
An Beal Bacht @#11,

"But I will report what you chose to tolerate"

Your NOT at School anymore you know! :)
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Sinead,

Tanunda 29/04/2008 07:32:54
An experiment too far!
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Russell M,

Stirling 29/04/2008 07:36:17
Beware? Chicken Little is alive and well.
Aware! Absolutely!
Do we fear innovation because we are not part of the discussion? How better to think outside the box than to involve those of us who do not even know there is a box.
The real issue is: Who gains in power and wealth? Is it the same few at the expense of the rest of us?
Transparency is the solution and if someone uses the knowledge to abuse others or for criminal behaviour then let us resolutely deal with that. Proscription is a fool's game and only entrenches those already in authority.
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 29/04/2008 07:40:25
Two things:- In some parts of Wales they have been injecting into sheep for hundreds of years.
And walking through the local shopping centre on Saturday and observing the clientele, I believe this cloning with apes may have already started.
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Saoghal Beag,

29/04/2008 07:50:06
8 Lindall, crawl back into you cave, that is deeply offensive and racist.
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livilion,

livingston 29/04/2008 07:52:24
Another attempt to rustle up another 'Frankenstien' outrage?

After all this time no 'humanzees' have been recorded using the old fashioned method. The draft Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill does not prevent human sp*rm being inseminated into animals, the sound of zippers is reportedly more effective.

I remember the same moral scandalising when the first heart transplants were conducted.

I didn't hear any such outrage this week when doctors were reported to have restored the sight of blind patients using gene technology.
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livilion,

livingston 29/04/2008 07:54:54
22 Saoghal Beag
Leave the comment on.
He/she is condemned by his/her own words.
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Harry,

Nairobi 29/04/2008 08:06:46
Perhaps nothing can stop the blatant racism of Lindall Bletheringshire, but we might be able to remedy his ignorance. The evolution of man from the apes puts the earliest humanoid as having his cradle in the Kenya/Tanzania area, so Lindall Bletheringshire should start to respect his black ancestors to prepare to meet up with them in the afterlife!
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Aesop,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 08:16:16
Cool idea. You can never have too many different species of primates.
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Boy Wonder,

29/04/2008 08:29:29
It's been done before!!

Research like this is not usually released to the public until after it's been successfully tried ... around 25-30 years ago. Cloning wasc acheived in the 1970s ... but held back until Dolly was chosen to be the first publicised cloned animal.

Dr McKellar has got his nose out of joint over something and has gone public to an extent ... but he's not about to soil the bed he wants to lie in. He'll get what he wants out of this.

And if we don't try to cross-breed ... then we're condemning ourselves to oblivion. We're not going to be "just human" forever. One day we'll cross-breed with aliens ... and have hybrids like Mr Spock (Str Trek).

Chuckles Linskaill is 94 and therefore unable to breed without medical aid.






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themurrayking,

Tyne and Wear 29/04/2008 08:43:16
Attendance figures will rise at Easter Road.
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tubes2222,

Gwynn Oak, Md. USA 29/04/2008 08:48:30
Lindall, check out these sources but I suggest you do it in hospital, just in case you have a heart attack.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html
&
https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
&
http://www.accuracyingenesis.com/africa.html

Science is a far better rule than ignorance, folk racism or denial. I consider it a remarkable journey for mankind to have moved from the Olduvai Gorge to the moon and hopefully, soon to the outer reaches of the universe in a few million years. OUr planet's mutual ancestors have done remarkably well. I expect that in a
few more thousand years humanity will be so mixed, race will finally, no longer matter. My personal ancestry is African, Irish, French, Malayan, Hispanic & American
Indian and I take pride in all and have great ambition for those that will follow, sans global extinction from human created wars, pollution or pestilence. And as to the original question on the subject at hand, I don't like the idea of crossbreeding humans & simians. There's no need to create another flash point of conflict on a planet that has far too many current wars based on culture, race & religion. Granted, it may be necessary one day, to replenish human organs damaged by human progress's global wars, pollution & pestilence, there's currently no reason for us to open a new Pandora's Box since we don't seem to be able to peacefully negotiate the cultures, religions & prejudices of all races now on the planet. We should all take pride & pay homage to the fantastic journey mankind has made thus far. Well, perhaps, not all. Hyacinth Bucket would be appalled that her ancestors didn't dine on fine Doulton china or have a respectable postal zone.
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BK,

Cyberspace 29/04/2008 08:54:07
At last the origins of the Glasgow Ned have been discovered!
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J.M.,

Cupar 29/04/2008 08:56:10
Some obviously consider this item of news hilarious, some seem to suggest it is too far-fetched to be true. I would suggest that it is an indication of a line of scientific research that is both dangerous and immoral. The present government has no moral compass despite Mr Brown's protests to the contrary. It seems prepared to leave the door open to research and development in this area of science. For the moment, at least, this country seems stuck with a calibre of administration that it deserves.

The sobering thought is that a government headed by Mr Cameron would likely be just as pragmatic and lacking in moral principles. The pursuit of power in political circles is mirrored in the scientific world. They make truly unholy bedfellows.
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Red Dykes,

Highland 29/04/2008 08:59:24
I'm sure there's 2 or 3 of these playing in the Ayr United defence already this season
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 29/04/2008 09:05:14
were too late www.scottishlabour.org.uk
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

29/04/2008 09:08:24
Cannot see it happening myself...but of course they could do it on the sly in a 'private' experiment...whats to stop them?....gawd help any innocent creature born into this world as the result of mankinds evil.....
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tubes2222,

Gwynn Oak, Md. USA 29/04/2008 09:09:07
Lindall's post should have stayed since it provided a focal point for all the comments that followed. Now readers don't have the factors that led to the train of thought later posts addressed. It may have been ignorant & politically incorrect but the factual and open content of the Scotsman News and the BBC.UK are the reasons I make it a daily habit of checking out both sites each day and is a refreshing break from the forced sterility of the American press & media bowing to political correctness. I doubt that any reader found Lindall's post that offensive. Your press is a welcome open window, unlike the shuttered news sources we endure here. We value the Scotsman's role for it's frankness and postings that grant all views of the human condition.
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Puzzler,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 09:39:10
This is one of the creepiest ideas I have evert heard of and an abuse of animals and human children.

I read quite recently that in the 1930s Stalin gave funding and facilities to an early gentic scionetist to try and interbreed humans and apes. His reason? To breed an army of superhumanly powerful soldiers that were unafraid in battle and would do exactly as they were told. I remember thinking that he was effectively trying to breed Orcs.

Luckily the science of the time was incapable of doing this. Looks like we coudl beat him at his own game.

Anyone like to bet how long it woudl take before the freaks were used for sinister purposes?
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donald anderson it's me,

29/04/2008 10:05:57
So who's the chump in Number 10 then?
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 10:24:29
Seeing as the labour party have clearly been cross bred with planks of wood, I don't see this as a problem!

In fact, put them in charge of the country. They certainly couldn't do worse than the current shower of morons.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 10:52:31
Where's Charlton Heston when you need him !?
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Red Dykes,

Highland 29/04/2008 10:53:57
The Tories have unsuccessfully tried this already - see Norman Tebbit and Ann Widdecombe
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AJ Fife,

29/04/2008 10:58:42
Sounds like the very thing to get the circus business going again.

Having lots of wee hairy creatures running aboot, would pack 'em in! There's clear evidence of the demand in our very own Parliament at Holyrood - wee wendy is a huge draw at the moment!:D
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Happyhibee1956,

29/04/2008 12:29:41
Ach, An here was me thinking we already had these hybrids at Tynecastle!
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Saoghal Beag,

29/04/2008 12:52:53
25 livilion, wusnae me that clyped, but no suprise that the comment got pulled, in some ways i do agree that it should have been left so that Lindall was hung by the evidnece of their own actions, but it was beyond pc. I just find it incredible that someone can actually have the gall to post the sort of thoughts that should have gone with the victorians.
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5-string,

Ellicott City 29/04/2008 12:58:17
Oh, please! This has been going on for years. Do you REALLY think Barbara Bush is "Dubya`s" mother?
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thaijambo,

29/04/2008 13:02:32
They're here already surely. These shadowy been seen skulking along certain parts of Glasgow and can be seen at Parkhead throwing coins and bottles at anyone not wearing green. I've spotted them regularly at the local brew office as well.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 13:05:18
#33, > Some obviously consider this item of news hilarious, some seem to suggest it is too far-fetched to be true. I would suggest that it is an indication of a line of scientific research that is both dangerous and immoral. <

Agreed.
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Graham Barnes,

Gravesend, Kent 29/04/2008 13:45:25
I thought we already had them in our midst, aka Pete Doherty.
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Lastsocialist,

Europe 29/04/2008 14:00:11
The world really is becoming a very f?§*ù% up place. This is going to happen somewhere sometime and then it is only a matter of time before we produce clones for sex, killing or whatever. Science isn't progress.
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Regret,

29/04/2008 14:14:15
Two parts of this story stood out for me: The department confirmed that the bill "does not cover the artificial insemination of an animal with human sparm". AND "A Department of Health spokeswoman said: "It's just not a problem. If you inseminate an animal with human sparm, scientifically nothing happens." These statements sound as if the bill was intentionally written that way and that this spokesWOMAN says "nothing happens" proves they have purposely tried. Does anyone know who this spokesWOMAN is? Just wondering who is so knowledgeable with this type of scientific perversion. - Oh, I had to change the spelling of a certain word to get this posted - funny how that word was OK for the story to be run.
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Thurso 29/04/2008 14:38:35
> prepared to leave the door open to research and
> development

I sure hope so. Who do you think created the medical breakthroughs we have today? IVF wouldnt exist without 'out of the box' thinking, for a start.

#39:
Orcs! Cool! So some turn to science becuase they fantasise about being Sauron and conquering Earth?

#52
Clones for sex? Maybe thats the prime motive? I'll never look at Dr. Richard Dawkins the same way again...
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 29/04/2008 14:44:02
#53

I believe she is a former porn star whose last film was titled "Debbie does Donkeys".
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 29/04/2008 14:48:09
This story gives a whole new conatation to the term "animal husbandry"
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Richard P.,

Brechin. 29/04/2008 14:57:21
Does 'Regret,53' mean 'Spurrem' ?
Just think. Policemen and soldiers without a conscience.
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Scota,

29/04/2008 15:02:05
Orangutan attempts to hunt fish with spear

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=562236&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 29/04/2008 15:12:47
All joking aside, these humanzees will have strengths and weaknesses that may allow them to replace humans in certain professions while others will remain exclusively human endeavors.

I think it is important that young people who are looking at career choices must consider whether that profession is likely to become a humanzee dominated profession.

Here is a couple of lists that may help.

Humanzee Professions
- Security Guard
- Electronics Assembler
- Shelf Stocker (except fruit)
- Telephone Linesman
- Astronaut
- Backbench MP

Strictly Human Professions
- Banana Farmer
- Heavy Equipment Operator
- Submariner (Nuclear)
- Medical Doctor
- Prime Minister (till the humanzees form a majority)
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

29/04/2008 15:25:16
What about a chimera's rights?..it would after all, be part human....its animal rights negligible under circumstances such as these...
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Richard P.,

Brechin 29/04/2008 15:33:32
Good point Kampung Highlander.
What about Salesmen, Bouncers and Traffic Wardens ? Who's going to argue with a gorilla that talks ? On second thoughts I think I've already done that sometime.
If one of them became a vet, that would be interesting !
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Hardrations,

Canada 29/04/2008 15:43:08
Hey Kampung Highlander. If you check out Canadian politicians at the Federal level, I believe this programme of cross breeding chimps/humans is all ready in progress. But what is real scary is take a close look at G. Bush. Now there is a real resemblance to the cross breeding program at work.
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Hardrations,

Canada 29/04/2008 15:44:22
#60 Prime Minister (till the humanzees form a majority)

In Canada to late.
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charles stuart,

toronto canada 29/04/2008 16:11:19
having seen the ears on prince charles one would think it had been a done deal
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Lanna,

29/04/2008 16:14:23
coming soon to you, the island of Doctor Moreau
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Ted Voth Jr,

Mad Town Wes' Consin 29/04/2008 16:44:53
Blasphemous, damnable; literally, a Hell of a thing to do to a perfectly innocent chimpanzee.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 17:30:01
How odd that everyone seems to regard this frightening idea as a joke.
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Wolverb,

Texas 29/04/2008 18:12:33
Great idea! The NBA needs some new blood. I'm sure it will work. It worked when they bred humans with gorillas, why not chimps. What if they look like Bush?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 20:28:48
Hi Digory @#75, How are you,?

I see the 'red-pen' has been strict to-day, yes and I get the drift of what you say, we only know the,

'Half-of-It'!
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California Scot,

29/04/2008 20:34:29
shhhhhhhh! this "experiment" is already being practised all over the world. The resulting cross is a species that freely walks among us!!


They are called......

politicians!!!!

Be afraid! be very afraid!!
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Conan the Librarian™,

29/04/2008 21:29:49
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For a starter.
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hopsgirl74,

Wilmington, DE, USA 29/04/2008 22:07:10
Aside from the general moral outrage I tend to feel from this, my greatest concern would be that they would wind up with "someone" who was all human mentally, and all chimpanzee physically. Imagine yourself trapped in an ape's body. How would you feel?

Perhaps this is brought on by closet bestiality in the scientists. If it's part human, then it's okay, right? (Not in my book, but you know what I mean.)
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Phillip,

29/04/2008 22:07:59
#48 wrote = "Oh, please! This has been going on for years. Do you REALLY think Barbara Bush is "Dubya`s" mother?"

Have you taken a look at Barbara Bush? It's no wonder Bush Sr. decided to do it with a Chimp instead!

Seriously now, this is all just plain silly. It's been tried before already and it doesn't work. Animals in which hybridization can easily occur tend to be those with sections of their genome that have lots of repeats so that if one section gets damaged another can easily take over. These species also tend to be highly adaptive and able to enjoy a cast range of phenotypic expressions without changing the actual genotype.

Dogs are a perfect example. They have that particular genetic trait which is why can have both a Great Dane & a Chihuahua in the same species. The are genetically capable of mating without an issue (even if the physical logistics are next to impossible). However, that same genetic adaptability is what makes it possible (as has been scientifically proven) for dogs to mate with virtually every other canide and produce viable offspring that are fertile. Dogs can be mated with Wolves, Foxes & even Jackal to produce viable, fertile offspring. Similar genetic adaptiveness can be found in felines & equines which is why they too tend to be capable of easy, natural hybridization.

Thankfully primates of all types are notable in lacking such genetic characteristics. Once species have diverged even a small amount they soon lose the ability to succesfully hybridize. Any hybrid doesn't even get a chance to be fertile, because they simply don't survive in the womb. Even very closely related non-human primate species (more closely related than humans and chimps) can't successfully hybridize, so why worry about it happening with us? Primates simply aren't good at the hybridization game, which is why primates tend to branch off rather quickly into specialized niches with distinct species boundaries.

Just a bunch of sci-fi luna
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Salvatore R. LaRosa,

United States 29/04/2008 22:25:52
When you mess with the creations of God, you risk judgement.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 23:24:08
If you worry, will the future change?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 23:26:54
It has been said that a man is three things: What he thinks he is; What others think he is; And what he really is,,
Which one of these do you believe is the truth?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 23:39:02

Beware of judgments of others. In this imperfect world in which we live, perfection is an illusion. And so the standards by which we seek to measure it, are also, in themselves, illusions. If perfection is measured by age, race, color of skin, color of hair, physical or mental prowess, then we are all lacking. It is well to remember that the harshest judgments are reserved for ourselves.
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truthsleuth,

30/04/2008 00:23:59
So this is how the SNP 'won' the last election.

Thousands of clones of AS(s)
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doublescotch,

U.S.A. 30/04/2008 02:07:29
I remember watching a series called "First Born" in the the eighties. It was about a human-ape baby.
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doublescotch,

U.S.A. 30/04/2008 02:58:18
#85 Nasty Nasty Nasty. Your nom de plume says it all. Then again, you could be malgning the Germans.
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Kipling,

30/04/2008 07:44:55
And what will they do if there is offspring (notwithstanding comments made by #83)? Keep the possibly self-conscious beastie in a cage, or in some other kind of restricted space, stalked by electronic equipment, cameras, and other technologically/ medically invasive equipment? Scientists don't have a conscience nowadays, if they do they lose their jobs -- if clones were about before the 1970s what kind of treatment did they receive which wasn't monitored by outside opinion ?
87

Geminus,

Florida 30/04/2008 11:56:56
Damn... my kid was sent home today again from school for flinging his own poop at classmates! "Son, climb down here for a minute, we need to talk."
88

stan102,

30/04/2008 13:19:15
Half man, half chimp - should we beware the apeman's coming?

They have been around for years - they are called Rangers Supporters :D
89

Silence of the Yams,

30/04/2008 13:42:19
Rangers FC, naural home of the inbred knuckle walker.
90

tassiestag,

rosebery 30/04/2008 14:00:48
rangers are tops.......if celtic finishes on top i will mate with a tasmanian tiger
91

ScepticalThinker,

London 30/04/2008 14:02:33
Jenny

it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to cross a chimp with a human.
Chimps have 48 chromosomes, and humans have 46, in pairs of 24 and 23 respectively.
The extra chimp chromosome would have no human pair, making fertilisation an IMPOSSIBILITY.

you obviously did no research before writing this article, and didn't listen to the other scientists that told you that there was no point in having a specific clause prohibiting fertilization of animal eggs with human genetic material.

Exclusive story eh?
92

momtwelve,

Ohio 30/04/2008 14:05:30
So doest his mean that we should apologize to Josef Mengele and his Nazi buddies?
93

Deacon Elurby,

Grants Pass, OR, U.S.A 30/04/2008 14:09:16
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peroskm,

Pennsylvania, USA 30/04/2008 15:21:17
The insemination experiment of which he speaks was attempted in the 1920s by Illya Ivanov in Russia and failed.

Additionally, I don't think that "fascination" alone would justify the creation of this organism today. The "fascination alone" argument seems more applicable to research in past decades.

A cautionary note: don't confuse this type of hybrid with a hybrid embryo or a "liger" or anything else of the sort. In this case, we are talking about creating something which potentially has human cognitive capacities (think: human moral status) in the others we aren't. I do find creating a human-chimpanzee hybrids morally problematic because of the possible cognitive issues.

In the case of organ farming using a chimpanzee, I don't think scientists would go about creating it in this fashion. The experiments of Esmail D. Zanjani in the US suggest that organ farming would involve a more specific approach.
95

Richard Ketchum,

US 30/04/2008 16:06:23
How long will it take for the hybrids to become slaves? That is the only reason anyone would want to do something like this.
96

Pete Espil,

USA 30/04/2008 17:51:32
Maybe some of these poor souls will now be able to get a date.
97

Earl of Stirling,

Evansville, Indiana, USA 30/04/2008 18:51:26
The crossing of human DNA with animal DNA is offensive to God and to us humans. It should be outlawed without exception.

Stirling
98

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

30/04/2008 23:01:31
105...Away ye go pal....its offensive tae the bliddy animals as well....we aint doing them no favours by carrying out an atrocity like this...
99

Hazza,

Melbourne 30/04/2008 23:34:29
Yes - I remember The programme "First Born" Digory 75, and yes - Hitler and Stalin apparently both had a programme for cloning an army of Humanzees to do their 'orrible bidding - doublescotch 91."We have a problem Houston - our President may be one" Hmmm. Thank God for The Scotsman comments pages - a shining light in a dark world. LOVE IT!
100

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/04/2008 23:46:40
Crankers @#106,

I know it wasney you, but did yo see my post being taken of today @#4,?

It had been on for some 36hours, maybe it was the 'stil birth' ref,

Its still out there on Google, but dont think I will edit it and put it back on.
101

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 30/04/2008 23:47:49
Or should I,?
102

beeman,

us 01/05/2008 02:59:42
have you really ever looked close at Al Sharpton?
103

doublescotch,

U.S>A. 01/05/2008 03:46:11
#107 Hazza #85 Made a very racial bigoted remark. February is "Black History Month"
104

donholl,

USA 01/05/2008 03:50:52
We must stop this kind of experimentation immediately, America has enough Democrats as it is.
105

Metatron,

United States 01/05/2008 16:11:57
Everyone seems to have forgotten that back in the 1980's a scientist was successful in a hybrid human ape in Brazil. The species was a howler ape (which is actually closer to humans than chimps)and the hybrids were exclusive to a single troop. When a new light skinned species was discovered to be too closely related to humans the entire troop was machined gunned by the Brazilian government at the request of the HRCC.

The same scientist was also alegedly responsible for another hybrid species in the United States which resulted in a pinkish skinned alligator. (1970's)

Interspecies hybrids of nonrelated genus is possible by genetic manipulation at a chromosomal level. Case in point: spider DNA placed in goat eggs resulted in material used in the new bullet resistent body armor. The goats are milked and the "milk" is poured into resevoir of the desired shape, once the silk hardens it is incorporated into the body armor.

Further evidence comes from the WWII era. Nazi scientists placed jellyfish chromosomes into white mice and rabbits resulting in animals which were self illuminating, aka: bioluminecent.

Not even to mention the seminal fluids removed from a frozen mastadon(found in the artic circle)used to impregnate an asian elephant. The pictures appeared in several magazines and then the animal disappeared altogether. These two species would of course be as closely related as man and apes. The use of a "mix master" would not even be required in most cases.

As a closing thought: The technology used to create Dolly (the first official cloned animal) was 13 years old when it was "leaked" to Scotland. The US Government has never said it HASN'T cloned a human, just that it doesn't want it to be practiced in the private sector. I wonder if mentioning the name "Jenifer Five" will raise any eyebrows.........
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Charlie Case,

Houston Texas 01/05/2008 17:23:36
In the late 1890's such an expironment was done in Mexico, for years I had a picture of the Chimp Lady. Dressed up as the Queen and wearing a cross. I believe she lived 35 years and was inteligent. I have since lost the photo,and the News paper Article. Charles Case D.C.
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01/05/2008 20:46:21
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Conan the Librarian™,

01/05/2008 20:48:48
116
The internet is so much better than a white hood, eh?
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02/05/2008 00:50:18
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Galen,

Planet of the Apes 02/05/2008 01:12:25
I have always thought William Hague had certain chimp characteristics...
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 03/05/2008 01:05:05

edited edition re: #4,
Jeezo! 'OH' My God!

Wouldn't want my tadpoles, now frozen used for anything like this!

They are for my DYW and she, is..'Thank-God' Human all Woman!

I think though, for my DYW(darling young wife) and I we would be both OK on using my 'tadpoles' to help another Woman, if so needed.

Our IVF treatment is going slightly better than expected, DYW's turn is next, although they may want me in at the same time, to put me in the,.'Land-of-Nod' to fish for fresh, ..'Tadpoles'.

IVF! I have thought about all the details of the subject over the years since my DYW and I first started our treatment..

We try to keep a positive viewpoint,

But one thing after trying for over 10years to conceive, three words sums it all up, and they are,..

'BUT WHAT IF'!

But what if; my results are useless,?

But what if; my results are OK, is it good enough to work,?

Bypassing loads of,..'But What Ifs' the most worrying one must be,

But what if; all goes well at the IVF stage and because she/he is an *** baby, we miscarry or have a,

'Still Birth' as in the,..'Story-Line' in Coronation Street at the moment,?

Now this,

But what if; my 'Tadpoles' are put into a,..

"Chimpanzee",?

gotta kind of smile,;-) but its not Soo funny!
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David_Potter,

USA 04/05/2008 01:27:52
The very first Humanzee has not only been born, but it has a name.

His name is George W. Bush.
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Kipling,

04/05/2008 21:04:05
#122. Wouldn't you say Gordon Brown has a much closer ape look? Just a little bit more hair, perhaps. The overweight upper torso is certainly gorilla-like.
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06/05/2008 16:02:37
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AlsoTraveler,

Los Angeles 11/05/2008 09:57:33
In referring back to the very first comment, one must certainly acknowledge the human-bovine hybrids of central Wisconsin, and their noble attempts toward masquerading as women...
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pyrenean mountain squatch,

cirque de gavonne 11/12/2008 18:23:53
These hibrids have been in existence for some time. If you want to see one on film, google Patterson Gimlin film and then find the M k Davies enhancements. Enjoy!
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alexandermcdonald,

london 14/12/2008 10:16:17
Yes "since we are now talking about it ,it has been done ,and it is only down to putting it into the field of ethics and see how it takes off, which we are now doing and i must say that as with any science who is to say that we allready have not bred in the past,why does bestiality still have a place in some minds and who's to say ,Tarzan and living in the jungle would not produce a situation.

 

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