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Published Date: 06 January 2009
PUBLIC buildings run by the Scottish Government have failed miserably to achieve acceptable standards of energy efficiency, The Scotsman can reveal.
Buildings such as St Andrew's House and Victoria Quay in Edinburgh are massively energy inefficient and have far larger carbon footprints than they should.

Their poor showing was revealed yesterday, the day all large public buildings in Scotland were supposed to display Energy Performance Certificates under EU laws.

However, the system has been described as a "shambles", with most failing to meet the deadline, including the landmark Scottish Parliament building.

The likes of town halls, museums, schools and job centres are being tested to establish their energy efficiency on a sliding scale, where A is the best and G is the worst.

Even though only buildings that are regularly visited by members of the public need to have a certificate, the Scottish Government decided to "set an example" by getting the energy efficiency of all its offices analysed. However, ministers have been left red-faced after the results revealed most of the buildings are performing disastrously.

Even Victoria Quay in Leith, which opened 12 years ago to house officials, achieved a rating of only E+, far below its recommended level. St Andrew's House in Edinburgh achieved the same, even though surveyors concluded both should achieve a C rating if they were to be classed as "good".

Buildings account for almost 50 per cent of the UK's damaging greenhouse gas emissions. It has been estimated almost a fifth of all carbon dioxide emissions in the UK are caused by non-residential buildings.

Premises that are not energy efficient use larger amounts of heating, lighting and air conditioning. This requires more energy from power stations, which largely rely on fossil fuels and emit carbon dioxide, contributing to climate change.

Chas Booth, from the Association for the Conservation of Energy, thought the findings were an "embarrassment for the Scottish Government".

He said: "Little more than a month after the publication of their much-vaunted climate change bill, which aims for ambitious cuts in emissions, it seems the government's own estate is one of the worst climate change culprits.

"The public sector should be leading by example, and the government must now commit to a planned programme of energy efficiency improvements to ensure this waste and pollution is brought under control."

John Alker, from the UK Green Buildings Council, said it was crucial that buildings in the public sector improved. "Our public buildings are some of the leakiest and most energy inefficient in the country," he said. "If we are to meet our climate-change targets of reducing our greenhouse gas emissions by at least 80 per cent by 2050, then our public sector buildings must lead the way."

A Scottish Government spokesman said ministers had decided to test the energy efficiency of their buildings, even though they did not have to under EU legislation, because they recognised their "leadership role".

He went on: "We have displayed operational ratings in the main buildings to complement the Energy Performance Certificates, meaning we will have gone beyond the minimum statutory requirements, underlying our commitment to leading by example."

Many organisations responsible for public buildings did not manage to get the Energy Performance Certificates completed on time, including Dundee and Aberdeen universities. Some blamed the fact there were not enough trained energy assessors available to carry out the inspections.

The Scottish Parliament was another that did not manage to meet the EU's Sunday deadline. A "draft" Energy Performance Certificate, displayed on the wall of the visitor area, shows two small sections of the overall building achieved a B rating. To be considered "good", it should have achieved a B+.

Those that have succeeded in getting the certificates drawn up include Edinburgh city council's chambers, which scored an E+, and Glasgow city council's chambers, which achieved an E. The National Museum of Rural Life near East Kilbride scored an E, while the National Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh was given an F+.

Mr Booth thought the Scottish Government could be in breach of the EU directive for not having the certificates in place. "The introduction of Energy Performance Certificates (EPCs], which are a vital tool in reducing climate emissions from our buildings, has been a complete shambles," he said. "The Scottish Government have known about this vital European directive since 2002, yet they only introduced the required paperwork four months ago.

"The energy efficiency industry needs time to train the professionals needed to provide these certificates. Four months is simply not enough time."

Corinne Evans, from Friends of the Earth Scotland, said it was "extremely disappointing" the Scottish Parliament had not got its certificate. "It should have been leading the field rather than letting the side down," she said.

Patrick Harvie, a Green MSP, said: "Scottish ministers regularly urge the public to do better on climate change, so they have no excuse for not posting information about the government's own carbon emissions."

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Parliament said they were working towards a full building certificate by the end of January.

She said it was such a large and complex building that it took a long time for the tests to be carried out.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said efforts would be made to improve their poorly performing buildings but added: "You wouldn't expect many of these buildings, which were built either in the dim and distant past or the recent past, to be carbon neutral."

He said they were aiming to reduce carbon emissions from energy use in their buildings by 12.6 per cent by March 2011 from 1999 levels, and then by 30 per cent by 2020.

"We are already taking steps to reduce energy use, including minimising unnecessary lighting in some of our larger buildings," he said.

"We signed up to the Carbon Trust's carbon management programme last year and we aim to establish a carbon management plan by the spring, targeting emissions relating to energy use, waste sent to landfill and all business travel. We also regularly highlight simple and effective energy saving measures to staff."

He denied they had been slow in tabling the criteria that had to be met by public buildings, leading to the delays in meeting the deadline for certificates to be displayed.

"We have taken a proactive approach to making public bodies aware of EPCs," he said. "Guidance was published in February 2007.

"Ministers wrote to around 500 public sector bodies alerting them of the need to have an EPC in February 2008; guidance leaflets were published on the government website in early 2008; and we held awareness-raising seminars in autumn last year."

• Additional reporting by Beth Mellor.


How the new system works … all the way from A to G

THOUSANDS of public buildings must display an energy performance certificate under European Union regulations that came into effect this month.

These certificates, which are similar to the energy efficiency labels on white goods, must show the energy efficiency of the building on a scale of A to G, where A is best and G is worst.

Those that score A emit up to 15kg of carbon dioxide per square metre of floor area each year. Those that score G emit more than 100kg.

Buildings that must display the performance certificates include universities, community centres, theatres, schools, exhibition halls, town halls, hospitals, courts, leisure centres, museums, libraries, police stations and crematoriums.

Those that do not display the certificates on time can be fined £5,000 by their local authority. However, the Scottish Government has decided that no fines will be handed out until March, to allow time for the certificates to be drawn up.

Buildings visited at least once a week by members of the public and those where the public has a right of access must also have a certificate.

There has been criticism that not enough qualified professionals have been trained in Scotland to carry out the assessments.

For a complex building, such as the Scottish Parliament, a computer model of the building has to be created, requiring large amounts of information on the structure, heating and lighting systems.

The main focus of the certificate is the amount of that is estimated to be released from a building.

The performance of the building is benchmarked against current building standards, and cost-effective energy-efficiency improvements are also recommended.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "In recognition of the requirements on property owners from January, we laid an amendment for the first three months of 2009."


Pass or fail – just how environmentally friendly are the corridors of power?

Government headquarters

IMPROVEMENTS, including installing double glazing, could bring crucial improvements to St Andrew's House in Edinburgh, which failed the energy efficiency test.

The Scottish Government's enormous headquarters, which stand to the south of Calton Hill, has been rated as achieving an E+ for its energy efficiency, on a scale where A is the best and G is the worst.

Assessors discovered that for every square metre of floor area, 62kg of carbon dioxide was being emitted each year.

The surveyors recommended simple steps, including reducing voltage, putting in double glazing and improving the building management systems to improve its energy efficiency.

Assessors recognised a building of its age and size could not be carbon-neutral, but they believed that to be considered "good" it should have achieved a rating of C. This would mean it was emitting 39.5kg of carbon dioxide per square metre each year.

Construction began in 1935 and was completed in 1939. The building underwent a major refurbishment in 2001 and houses more than 1,000 government officials.

It is protected under a category-A listing.

Environmental guardians

The Scottish Environmental Protection Agency, Strathearn House, Perth

Actual rating: C

Recommended rating: C

Overall rating: Pass

The figures: 44.8kg of emissions per square metre of floor area

Recommendations for improvement: Upgrade lighting and reduce voltage

Rural affairs

The Scottish Rural Affairs Department, Cameron House, Albany Street, Oban

Actual rating: G

Recommended rating: B

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 184.6kg of emissions per square metre

Recommendations: Convert heating system from electric to gas and improve lighting controls

Energy efficiency specialists

The Scottish Energy Efficiency Office, based at Meridian Court, Cadogan Street, Glasgow

Actual rating: E

Recommended rating: E

Overall rating: Pass

The figures: 78.7kg of emissions per square metre

Recommendations: Upgrade air conditioning and improve lighting system and controls

Information and library services

At government offices at Saughton House, Edinburgh

Actual rating: F

Recommended rating: C

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 94.2 kg of emissions per square metre

Recommendations: Bring in a zoned heating system

The National Health Service

NHS Education for Scotland, the agency that aims to improve patient care by providing education and training for NHS staff. Based at Thistle House, Haymarket Terrace, Edinburgh

Actual rating: G

Recommended rating: C

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 186.6kg of emissions per square metre of floor area

Recommendations: Improve lighting system and lighting controls and reduce voltage

The Scottish Parliament

Actual rating: B. (But only for part of the building: the MSPs' offices and Queensberry House. The majority of the building was not tested in time to meet the European Union deadline for an energy performance certificate)

Recommended rating: B+

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 26kg of per square metre

Schools inspectors

Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Education, based at the Europa Building, Argyle Street, Glasgow

Actual rating: E

Recommended rating: D

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 77.5 kg of emissions per square metre

Recommendations: Upgrade lighting and reduce voltage

Green experts

Environment and rural affairs, based at Pentland House, Robbs Loan, Edinburgh

Actual rating: D

Recommended rating: C+

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 56.3kg of emissions per square metre

Recommendations: Install double-glazing and reduce voltage

Government headquarters

Victoria Quay, Leith

Actual rating: E+

Recommended rating: C

Overall rating: Fail

The figures: 64.5kg of emissions per square metre

Recommendations: Install a combined heat and power system and upgrade lighting system and lighting controls

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1

Warden An' All, Reborn,

06/01/2009 00:01:37
What do you expect when they are being run by the snp?
2

Warden An' All, Reborn,

06/01/2009 00:06:10
This is for those poor nastyonallists to look over an think:


What accomplishes respect does only good.

What invokes life lives.

Cheat and lament longingly.

Manage empathy.

Talk righteously and find friendship in contentment.

When all rhetoric dances end negativity.

Be yourself.

Make indivisible division, negativity inanimate, good health tangible.
3

Arrow,

edinburgh 06/01/2009 00:07:11
when were they built and under whose regime? if the Scottish Government spent the money now to make the buildings up to the standard required they would be accused by the Labour party of spending money they did not have. the buildings were built in an era when the governments were less "green" and now we have to pay for it.
4

Wardog™,

06/01/2009 00:08:40

1. imbecile
5

I can see for miles,

06/01/2009 00:10:25
How can the SNP expect anyone to trust them.

Disgrace
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06/01/2009 00:15:29
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06/01/2009 00:17:54
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Lurking from home,

06/01/2009 00:20:18
Chaka Khan @5,

Owned!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 06/01/2009 00:42:54

Scottish Government, are to worried with their own thermal underwear and energy efficiency, rather than to be bothered about some buildings!

Salmond, sets an example, not wanting to leave his,...

...'Carbon Footprint', 'behind', he wears thermal underwear while, opening bridges!






10

Canadian Jambo,

06/01/2009 00:49:00
It's gotta be Broon's fault, surely?
11

I can see for miles,

06/01/2009 00:50:12
Salmond's nose makes a "major contribution" to global warming
12

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 06/01/2009 02:36:08
#1,2&5

"The Scottish Government have known about this vital European directive since 2002, yet they only introduced the required paperwork four months ago."

So the Labour/LbDem muppets do nothing for 5 years and suddenly its the SNP's fault.

Next you will be blaming the SNP because the Labour PFI schemes stop the Government from axing the parking fees at NHS facilities that Labour/LibDems built on PFI.
13

Julian.,

edinburgh 06/01/2009 04:32:13
#12,

If they've had to extend the deadline by 3 months and only started implementing this 4 months ago that would imply they should have got the ball rolling about 7 months ago...which is about 1 year after Labour left office.

You would have been the first to moan if Labour had spent money doing this years ago when there was no need to implement it until this month.
14

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 06/01/2009 05:00:19
And how long does it take to train the people to do the Energy Audits? About a year?

So maybe the SNP has been doing this as quickly as it can be done.

Pity the Lab/LibDems where a sleep for the last 5 years.
15

GLW,

Tbilisi 06/01/2009 06:03:02
It's only tax payers money.

Open the windows if your office gets to hot.
16

A True Scot.,

06/01/2009 07:03:05
Another bullsh.t attempt by this worthless rag to smear the SNP government with another outstanding Zanu Liebour failure to act mess.
17

Phil C,

06/01/2009 07:03:47
Far from "performing disastrously", many buildings did okay. The fact that we are talking about this means that huge progress has been made. The Scottish Government are shown to be taking their responsibilities seriously. The Scottish Executive, under Labour, had ignored these issues since they were outlined in 2002!
18

School Inspector,

06/01/2009 07:15:38
What do you expect when local councillers get to run a Parliment - should never have been allowed to build their own office, build a train-set in Edinburgh or try to raise money for a new bridge. I have just had to spend £100 per property I own to get a energy efficiency certificate done. Idiots - SNP, Labour and Tories alike ............ get proper jobs!
19

Phil C,

06/01/2009 07:22:11
This green stuff is work in progress and the word "Failed" is totally out of place in the seriously misleading headline. It suggests some kind of SNP failure. You'd think it was written by some sicko Labourite!
20

Unimpressed one,

06/01/2009 07:24:52
We need to demolish them all and rebuild to make them 'carbon neutral'. Oh god, what I am saying....
21

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06/01/2009 07:29:40
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Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 06/01/2009 07:36:05
We've had this story before a few years back. Funny, didn't seem such a problem under a Labour government......

Labours legacy befits thier party. Energy intensive, wasteful and full of harmful leaks.
23

TWC,

06/01/2009 08:23:07
1. Labour poodle and possible Rufus certainly unbalanced.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
I'm more worried about the quality of the report they should at least have included the Age of the buildings.
24

Watson,

Irvine 06/01/2009 08:23:11
I used to buy The Scotsman, The Herald, Scotland on Sunday and The Sunday Herald but stopped as they were just Labout Party mouthpieces. I looked at them on line as I got more true information from the comments than the story. I have stopped looking at The Herald and Sunday Herald as the comments are now censored and have decided to stop looking at this site as the comments are now full of rubbish. What used to be fine newspapers have now become pieces of paper that are only fit to wrap chips in.
25

Ju@nkerr.,

06/01/2009 08:30:42
No wonder it failed. The design of the thing in the first plae is single skin concrete, the most lossy of all building materials.

£460 million for a car park with squint windows. All approved and driven through by Labour. Thank god their not getting their hands on any more projects.
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06/01/2009 08:36:11
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06/01/2009 08:38:44
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Ju@nkerr.,

06/01/2009 08:41:38
24&26 - As you have both pointed out.The Scotsman and herald have both failed to keep watch for Scotland's interests. This being the "bargain" through the ages, for us buying newspapers. we pay for daily accurate news and the function of keeping government in check and by printing truthful articles. not getting into bed with them just to smear the opposition and carry out their policies.

Shame on them!

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06/01/2009 08:48:47
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Edward,

06/01/2009 08:56:36
How idiotic of the unioist posters to blame the SNP for buildings built under Labour administrations
But this is what this story is all about. Blame the current Scottish Government by inuendo, when they had nothing to do with the construction, quite pathetic actually. Those with a brain cell would have realised this has nothing to do with the current Scottish Government
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Miss H,

06/01/2009 09:13:24
Typical Scotsman slant on things. Ministers are left 'red faced' after deciding to measure the energy efficiency of all the buildings they are responsible for.

One day it might dawn on the Scotsman that politicians are not completely stupid. Of course they know that buildings which were built decades ago are not going to be very energy efficient. And in the current financial climate they will be limited in what they can do about it.

But nowhere is there any acknowledgement that the Scottish Government - in contrast to other public bodies and the Scottish Parliament itself - actually made the effort to have every building analysed and make the results known.

It doesn't actually help to foster open government when governments are slated for being open does it.
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Iain's,

Barcelona 06/01/2009 09:15:34
Build by New Labour if I am not mistaken.



33

Ananurhing,

06/01/2009 09:30:41
#24,26,28,

To think that the Hootsman was founded to counter the toadying Scottish establishment press. How the mighty have fallen.
Which other countries have a mainstream press dedicated to undermine their democratically elected govt?
Zimbabwe! Seems to be the level the Scottish press have sunk to. "Unblushing subservience"!

34

Thistledhu,

06/01/2009 09:38:25
Buildings built under new labour.

Basicly another smear tactic by the scotsman group on behalf of the labour party.

The bias displayed by this paper is beyond beleif
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AJ Fife,

06/01/2009 09:44:06
As a suitable punishment, should we not rip down the Donald Dewar statue in Glesga and sell of the bronze to make up for his building's failing?
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06/01/2009 09:44:16
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salmondella,

UK 06/01/2009 10:05:38
Why are we being denied comment on the Gaza conflict by the Scotsman? Are we not to be trusted with our view and opinions? - this is censorship by a newspaper which needs all the help and support it can get - so why the ban?
38

Yes We Can,

Ayr 06/01/2009 10:13:04
This quote from the article says it all...

"The Scottish Government have known about this vital European directive since 2002, yet they only introduced the required paperwork four months ago."

The Lab-Lib pact had 5 years to do something and did nothing. The SNP are in power for 16 months and they not only they do the minimum requirement, they also go a step further.

Labour shown yet again to be irresponsible and unambitious.
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AJ Fife,

06/01/2009 10:17:48
#38,

Tony Blair has enforced the ban.
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St Andrew 01,

06/01/2009 10:31:01
What is this nonsense about carbon footprints?
Since the recent scientific findings of late 2008 reveal that the world is actually in a cooling period and not a warming period, the phrase "global warming" will be replaced with the phrase "climate change"
All the ice lost at the poles in the last 2 years has re-frozen. And since we actually have polar ice caps, we are technically in an ice age.
If this global warming continues at the rate it is going we will all freeze to death.
41

tearortwo,

Burton on Trent 06/01/2009 10:35:49
#24

I'm with you. I have persevered with the Scotsman and Scotland on Sunday for several years but today I have informed my newsagent to cancel my order. I would like informative, but unbiased reporting on events in Scotland in order that I can form my own opinions. This has become a completely rediculous exercise with the dire quality of increasingly biased reporting voiced by this publicationin recent times.
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ARP,

Scotland 06/01/2009 10:40:59
Do we really pay people to write like this - "We have displayed operational ratings in the main buildings to complement the Energy Performance Certificates, meaning we will have gone beyond the minimum statutory requirements, underlying our commitment to leading by example."!!!!

Energy saving could be directed to cutting out hot air, fog amd mirrors.
43

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 06/01/2009 11:24:15
An online search found that the Palace of Westminster, will also fail to meet the 30th January deadline for an ECP?

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Morry,

Scotland 06/01/2009 11:28:55
The government should practice what it preaches, and there should be more help for people who do wish to go over to greener energy instead of which there is put in place obstacle after obstacle, not to mention the extortionate costs in doing so.
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Alastair the First,

06/01/2009 11:46:58
How is this "an embarrassment to the Scottish Government"? It wasn't the current government that was responsible for constructing these premises. More like an embarrassment to those in charge when Holyrod was built - that would be Labour and their cronies.
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Foogirl,

Falkirk 06/01/2009 12:02:22
12 - KampungHighlander, the issue isn't what they are incapable of doing due to labour failings, it is that they make promises to do things they patently cannot. Committing to meeting these targets, when they were not at all sure they could, was a big mistake. Promising all hospital parking would be free, without making it clear this would not apply to PPP/PFI (until they were forced to admit it) was the wrong things to do. Pledging to get rid of the trams, before understanding they couldn't make that promise, then discovering they couldn't do a number of other things they promised because the £750 million they were going to claw back, no longer exists - short sightedness and rhetoric to win votes.

SNP cannot blame Labour forever, and in those instances where their hands are tied by old labour policies, spending etc, they should come clean and make proposals to make it better.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 06/01/2009 12:04:26
What a headline. It's as if the SNP set these targets last year and then somehow "failed" to meet them. Ms Hayworth is not paid to produce this kind of biased nonsense is she? I don't necessarily support everything that the SNP do, but this Labour bias is grating.

The parliament building itself was of course a design produced by a Spaniard, which no doubt would be OK in Spain, as long as they like their lego bricks on a schemie block of flats and "approved" by one Donald Dewar the "Father of the Nation" (how's that for fatuous self-congratulation) ably supported by a phalanx of equally dumpling-headed folks in the political and media arena. Clearly at that time, like most Labour ventures a) money was no object so long as it's not yours and b) it's not fit for purpose. Also "global warming" (anyone checked the temperature today) hadn't grown into its present hallowed status as a non-scientific belief system.
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Tris,

06/01/2009 12:06:19
~1.... WHAT?

They have had to do the same exercise in London and guess what... they all failed there too, and they are run by.... Labour. The worst one was the Dept of the Environment.

Duh.
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Tris,

06/01/2009 12:10:36
42 I'm with you.

The paper never seems to miss a chance to print a totally negative headline. And some of the body of the articles is just pathetic. This kind of thing is ok in editorial and "!opinion" pieces, but not in news.

I will stop buy the Scotsman too.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 06/01/2009 13:21:22

At 70pence. the Scotsman News. Is an expensive paper to buy.



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Miss H,

06/01/2009 14:09:09
47 What targets are you talking about? Do you even know?

When did anyone in the SNP say that they could make all hospital parking free? They always made it clear it would not apply to PFI hospitals.

They pledged to get rid of trams but were outvoted. That's the way it works with minority government. That's not a 'broken promise' because they don't have the power to deliver anything if the majority of MSPs vote against it.

You are right on one thing, the SNP cannot blame Labour forever - they can only blame Labour for what Labour are in fact responsible for.
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Embra Don,

06/01/2009 15:58:10
#24 Watson

Spot on.
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Embra Don,

06/01/2009 16:02:19
#41 St Andrew 01

Where do you get your science from?
This psuedo-scientific nonsense (e.g. we have ice caps ...) must come from the Mail or the flat earth society.
54

TWC,

06/01/2009 16:34:56
Anybody tried to post on the Herald today, they are even bigger poodles than usual.
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Il Penseroso,

Inverurie 06/01/2009 16:48:22
Thank you Scotsman. You are getting as bad as the Herald for comment censorship.Were my items of criticism of Westminster too near the truth to let your contributors form an opinion?
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Geomac 1,

Scotland 06/01/2009 17:20:27
Eh dear!! Do as we say not as we do!! Typical government hypocrisy. By all means keep energy costs down but for goodness sake stop continuing to justify this claptrap on an outdated and much maligned theory that man is the cause of climate change
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PointOf View,

Scotland 06/01/2009 19:31:38
Scott Webb,
Hi Good to see you back mate, hadn't seen you on here for a while. As you can see the blind, uninformed and biast Unionist numpties are still with us. Same numpties diferent names. Of course there remains many ballanced views and friends here on this site. I see things are going according to plan for the NWO.

Anyway interesting links, thanks.
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Navvy,

06/01/2009 19:46:50
Scottish Energy Efficiency Office has a recommended E! why is not an A ?

The council offices in New Street are quite new and grossly overheated. People were wandering around in shirt sleeves which is ridiculous in the winter when they should wera a jacket or pullover and lower the temperature

The same goes for many shops and offices and other public buildings
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 06/01/2009 20:55:23
"We have taken a proactive approach to making public bodies aware of EPCs," he said. "Guidance was published in February 2007.

"Ministers wrote to around 500 public sector bodies alerting them of the need to have an EPC in February 2008; guidance leaflets were published on the government website in early 2008; and we held awareness-raising seminars in autumn last year."

Says it all really.
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SeriouslyAmused,

Alexandria 06/01/2009 23:36:39
I would say the SC should take a breather when it comes to meeting CC targets. Incidentally, everyone will notice we have gone from Global Warming to Climate Change - next up is Global Cooling - and guess what causes it? Yep. Us. So the taxes and paper chasing, jobs for scientists (who'll of course hire ships and planes to prove their poimt), 'green' products manufacture for all us monsters to buy will continue.

About time we had a revolution and told the whole bunch, from Governemnts, to World Organisations, to pocket-filling, job-creating scientists to go shove it up their thermals....
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06/01/2009 23:36:55
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SeriouslyAmused,

Alexandria 06/01/2009 23:44:20
Incidentally, while I am in full rant. The only real reason the gen.pop. accept the MGW and Climate Change stuff is because the BBC feeds it to them unconditionally.

We all know temparatures are cooling (and have been for years), that ice is back to pre-scary story levels and that dire predictions made fifteen years ago are so much tripe... but the BBC will trot out the lines fed to them by the well-paid researchers who say 'ah, yes but take this in the round... when we have all snuffed it, bingo, the world will die from man's activities. You naughty lot, think of the children"

Funny that, reminds me of Jehovah's Witnesses pushing forward the end of the world, every time their latest calculations turned out to be a tad embarrassing...
63

Embra Don,

06/01/2009 23:46:20
It would be interesting to know what the rating of the new Scotsman building is. Or have they had it tested yet?
Come on Jenny - here is your chance for an exclusive story.
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Embra Don,

06/01/2009 23:58:06
#64 and #66 SeriouslyAmused,

I'm not sure if your posts are intended as irony, satire or the like. If so, forgive me for underestimating you. If not could you enlighten us as to where the evidence that global temperatures are cooling is to be found. It wouldn't be the weather forecaster from Kentucky who was one of the "scientists" cited by the loony minority report in the US Senate? "Global warming is not happening because God created our world and would not let us destroy it"
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FerryPort,

07/01/2009 02:10:23
cauld buildings blawing hot air
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Stewart King,

Cornhill, Aberdeenshire 08/01/2009 16:39:17
This is no surprise. These buildings were built either pre-modern standards or on the cheap. We have known about this for years but it is only now that political pressure has built the authorities are trying to do something about it. There are are over 650,000 buildings in the UK that need either an EPC or a DEC and as yet there are only a handful of qualified assessors to provide the service. Totally crazy - and how the Scottish Parliament ever got a rating is a mystery as it would surely be a Level 5 building and there is currently no accreditation to Level 5 for assessors. Training takes about 3 months but for a truly experienced Energy Consultant it takes years to be good enough for "complex buildings". This is not SNP madness - this is Government madness at a national level - yet another ill-devised peice of legislation trying to cow-tow to EU demands. When will we learn?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/01/2009 12:09:48
1 warden = eejit

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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/01/2009 12:10:43
The only recycling going on here is by Jenny Haworth.

This is very old "news".
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/01/2009 12:14:07
This statement is clearly wrong Jenny:

"It has been estimated almost a fifth of all carbon dioxide emissions in the UK are caused by non-residential buildings."

Did you really mean "all carbon dioxide emissions"?
Including natural emissions? Jenny. Hello?
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/01/2009 12:21:03
"Chas Booth, from the Association for the Conservation of Energy, thought the findings were an "embarrassment for the Scottish Government"."

I would have thought that Chas would be even more embarrassed to be part of such a pointless Association.

Conservation of Energy - taken care of already Chas. Anyone who did physics knows that energy is always conserved !

 

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