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Published Date: 17 July 2009
PRESSURE was mounting on UK and Scottish ministers last night to try to save hundreds of banking jobs.
The demands followed an announcement by the Lloyds Banking Group yesterday that it would shed 1,200 more jobs.

This brings the total number of redundancies at the new super bank, which is still mostly owned by the taxpayer, to more than 8,000.

And it follows revelations by The Scotsman earlier this week that Scottish Widows, part of the Lloyds group, is to make 250 staff redundant.

Yesterday Scottish Widows staff left briefings on their future grim-faced, with some accusing management of "betrayal" and admitting that they feared for their futures.

The theme of betrayal was picked up by the Unite union, which represents many of the bank's staff, including those who worked for HBOS, which was controversially taken over by Lloyds at the end of last year.

The union called for a freeze in the expansion of work done abroad by the bank because of the "uncertain future" faced by UK employees.

National officer Rob MacGregor said: "Unite views the weekly cull of jobs a disgraceful approach by this taxpayer-supported financial institution.

"Staff in the IT, life and pensions and operations departments face the reality that Lloyds is operating centres abroad while they are told that their jobs are redundant.

"It is essential that these taxpayer-funded institutions are radically overhauled."

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Tavish Scott MSP described the announcements as a "real blow" for Lloyds workers and the Scottish economy.

"The blame for these job losses lies squarely with Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown," he said. "It is time they take responsibility for this shambles and start doing everything possible to prevent further Lloyds job cuts in Scotland."

He also asked what the Scottish Government was doing to try to save jobs.

Finance secretary John Swinney said that the Lloyds announcement was "disappointing."

He said that the bank held talks with First Minister Alex Salmond on Wednesday and "is clearly in an ongoing process of rationalisation" which is having an impact on employment across the UK. He added: "This will no doubt be a difficult time for those affected and I can assure them the Scottish Government stands ready to do all it can to help."

Meanwhile, in a further blow to Scottish jobs, the future of 90 posts hung in the balance last night as mobile phone software firm Picsel fell into administration. The firm, which employs 90 staff at its Glasgow headquarters and supplies content to mobile phone companies, has been taken into the hands of PricewaterhouseCoopers after suffering cash-flow problems.

BROWN SIGNALS BANK PAY ACTION

PROPOSALS to curb the vast salaries paid to bankers and to delay their bonuses to prevent excessive risk-taking have been signalled by the Prime Minister.

Gordon Brown welcomed interim proposals by financial expert Sir David Walker to prevent a repeat of the credit crunch.

Sir David, a former director of the Bank of England, was asked by the Treasury to suggest reforms of the banking system. He called for the bumper salaries of bank executives to have to be approved by internal remuneration panels, with salary bands published in annual reports – something most institutions do already.

Mr Brown said the proposals – allied to tougher rules being planned by the City watchdog, the Financial Services Authority – "fundamentally change the environment in which bonus payments are made".

Referring to the Walker report, which will be finalised in November, Mr Brown said: "He makes some very clear recommendations which I believe will be adopted.

"There have been excesses, it is seen by the public as irresponsible and unfair. We have got to take the action."

The Liberal Democrats welcomed plans to make bankers' pay more transparent, comparing the moves with the exposure of MPs' expenses. But the Tories said the proposals were inadequate.

Sir David's report criticises the weakness of many boards – including RBS and HBOS – saying non-executives were inadequately trained to stand up to powerful executives. It says non-execs should work harder for their money.

"Bonus schemes contributed to excessive risk-taking by rewarding short-term performance. And shareholders failed to exercise proper stewardship," he said.

Mark Hoban, the Tory shadow financial secretary, said: "The government's regulatory response to the financial crisis is totally inadequate. Another committee and another voluntary code of conduct will not do."





The full article contains 738 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Tris,

17/07/2009 00:09:28
Not, perhaps, one of Brown's brightest ideas... by-passing monopolies and mergers, and by-passing due diligence, and forcing Lloyds to take over Halifax BoS.

I wonder what his motivation was? It clearly wasn't sound business management.
2

donald,

glasgow 17/07/2009 01:26:13
The Scottish Trustee Savings Bank was nationalised from London and came back as Lloyds.

Halifax took over and ruined the Bank of Scotland.

North British Labourites can punch thr air again
3

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 02:25:28
We urgently need a Scottish government with the will and the power to act as ruthlessly in defence of our nation's assets and people as the corporate hyenas do in pursuit of profit.

4

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 02:42:06
The deflating finacial bubble will inveitably result in even omre inavoidable job losses. The challenge is to retrain people so that can take up productive postions in the post-bubble economy. Pointing fingers of blame is a futile exercise and the politicians, as usual, provide no constructive ideas or leadership.
5

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 02:49:15
4
Scotaway

"The challenge is to retrain people so that can take up productive postions in the post-bubble economy."

So people must be infinitely flexible in accommodating corporate greed. Which makes them something less than people.

6

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 03:05:57
#5
and your suggestion is......?
7

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 03:08:20
6
Scotaway

My suggestion is that you attempt to justify your insistence that people must sacrifice their humanity on the altar of corporate greed.

8

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 03:22:56
It is interesting that you associate productivity with corporate greed. Are people working in public services not productive? The tone of your posts suggest that your idealogical inclination is towards that of the former USSR, Maoist China or Castro's Cuba, but please correct me if I am wrong. Any constructive suggestions on dealing with the deflation of the financial bubble?
9

rpb,

17/07/2009 06:23:54
2, donald

BoS tried to buy natwest, and failed, losing out to RBS.

If you see past your blinkered xenophobic nationalism you would understand that in business a company that fails in a takeover battle normally becomes the hunted instead.

Bos , fearing this actively sought out a partner - and fell into bed with halifax.

No one asked BOS corporate to make insane risky loans...

Incidentally the buyer (scottish) of natwest (Lomdon based), hasn't exactly been a global success story in the past year : £24bn loss anyone?

Still, no doubt you'll blame someone english for that as well....get real ( i think the germans blamed the jews for failures in their economy, here the nats blame the english...)

10

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 06:42:09
5 Electric Hermit
"So people must be infinitely flexible in accommodating corporate greed."

No. It's a matter of ensuring that people are employed in an activity that others are prepared to buy at a price they are willing to pay.

Businesses in general and banks in paticular are not charities which exist just to provide employment. If that were the case we could subsidise one of them to employ 1 million people to dig holes and another 1 million to fill them in again - unemployment solved at a stroke.
11

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 06:52:59
9 rqb

You are absolutely right. It is very disturbing to see how some people distort the details and attempt to rewrite history in an attempt to justify their obviously predetermined position.
12

JamesC,

Singapore 17/07/2009 07:05:51
I have no sympathy for those losing there jobs whatsoever.
Sheep eventually get slaughtered.
For years the Scottish public have allowed a succession of dopes to be elected to lead them.
Wendy Alexander.
Her predecessor ,the guy who wanted to save Malawi.
And now the latest genius ,Tony Blair in a kilt.
Salmond.
For almost his entire "working" life has has had his hands in the pockets of working people.
So you reap what you sow.
Anyone who thinks that an independent Scotland can change the laws of economics needs there heads looked.
To many lazy people, and 25 percent of the workforce in the public sector.
Its a recipe for economic doom.
13

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 07:55:20
The responsbility for demise of the Scottish banks lies clearly in the hands of Scots. Political independence would have made no difference either way. The United Kingdom (a lovely oxymoron) will become increasingly irrelevant in global politics and economics as the Asian countries develop. Get used to it. SNP v Westminster is a sideshow>
14

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 17/07/2009 08:47:22
#1. Do LLoyds TSB and HBoS still exist? Yes they do, a situation that would not have been the case without Government intervention.

I know that for someone with such a narrow mind imagination is not your strong point, however try and picture what would have happened if either of these banks or indeed RBS had gone under.

#3. Yeah coz we hate thae English and everything would be pure dead brilliant if we wiz independent. Without the union, Scotland by now would be in the same boat as Iceland - FACT!
15

Grumpy,

17/07/2009 08:52:00
But we still need to know just how many people outwith the UK - e.g. Asia / India - are being made redunadant by Lloyds Banking Group. Not a lot!
16

williamx,

Canada 17/07/2009 08:59:45
The Scottish Gov needs to facilitate the formation of Credit Unions within Scottish towns. Credit Unions are run by their members and keep the money local by investing in local projects. There will be plenty of unemployed people from the banking sector to staff these unions. Right now, the firemen and police in Perth Scotland have a credit union which is restricted to members employed in these areas. Why not a Ratepayers credit union for the rest of the citizens in Perth?
17

Americanbob,

17/07/2009 09:58:19
Which "genius" web site co-ordinator decided to put three HBoS ads on the same web page as this story? Isn't this just adding insult to the injury about to be suffered by those about to lose their jobs?
18

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 10:04:57
8
Scotaway

Still no attempt to justify your insistence that people must sacrifice their humanity on the altar of corporate greed. Just the usual waffle about the USSR etc. As if the only choices available were between the two extremes of slavery to the state or slavery to a corporate elite.

19

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 10:06:48
10
Ugly George

"No. It's a matter of ensuring that people are employed in an activity that others are prepared to buy at a price they are willing to pay."

Unlike you, I do not regard human beings as mere commodities.

20

JayJay,

Right here 17/07/2009 10:18:29
"Brown signals bank pay action
Mr Brown said the proposals – allied to tougher rules being planned by the City watchdog, the Financial Services Authority – "fundamentally change the environment in which bonus payments are made"".

"Goldman Sachs makes the largest bonus payout in its 140 year history"

"RBS chief's £9.6m pay deal defended"

Satirists and comedians everywhere don't even need to write their own material - Mr Brown is a gift that just keeps giving.
21

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 10:34:33
#18
Electric Helmet

"Still no attempt to justify your insistence that people must sacrifice their humanity on the altar of corporate greed" are your words. My original post is #4. Please explain the relationship between your words and my post. Thanks.
22

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 10:41:22
21
Scotaway

"Electric Helmet"

And another cyber-kiddy opts out of the adult discussion.

23

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 10:58:01
16
williamx

"The Scottish Gov needs to facilitate the formation of Credit Unions within Scottish towns."

But the priests of private profit will denounce this as "unfair competition", i.e. competition that is not rigged so that they cannot lose.

24

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 11:11:18
Electric Hermit - got it this time!

"cyber-kiddy" - you flatter me! I am still here and still waiting for an "adult" response to at least one of my questions?

It's sundowner time where I am and a bit warmer than the People's Republic of Scotland, so only about 30 mins left before I head off for a refreshing beer.
25

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:46:20
19 electric hermit
False and unjustified conclusion I'm afraid. Just because I consider that people have to employed in productive (in the various uses of the word) employment which is desired by others does not mean that I consider them as commodities.

It is a necessary condition for having a successful economy which can support the services that we all need.
26

druidh,

edinburgh 17/07/2009 12:59:06
#17 - It's all automatic. The word HBOS appears on this page, so the software adds the relevant ads. It's more fun when the article is about an underwear shop.
27

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 13:28:04
25
Ugly George

"False and unjustified conclusion I'm afraid."

If you do not regard people as commodities, why do you refer to them as such?

28

The Saltire,

17/07/2009 14:43:12
25

You dont consider people to be commodities? yet you consider them to be giro monkeys if they are unemployed.
Bit of a contradiction there georgie boy. You seem happy enough to label the unemployed irrespective of their circumstances as if they were say commodities instead of people with problems.
It seems the ugly part of your name refers to your nature rather than your cosmetic appearence?
29

redcliffe62,

17/07/2009 14:54:46
shareholders decide when people need to be sacked. diageo showed the way, and the banks will follow, despite the public supposedly being owners and having a say.
30

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 15:19:00
9
redcliffe62

"shareholders decide when people need to be sacked"

If you imagine shareholders are involved in such decisions then you are completely out of touch with reality.

31

Scotaway,

Wanchai 17/07/2009 15:53:54
Electric Hermit

"cyber-kiddy" is back after a good dinner and a few beers.

You really do enjoy pontificating on the comments of others whilst offering nothiing constructive yourself. You must be very deeply immersed in the depths of your prejudice. Loosen up and let the light of reason shine on you.
32

Distalgesic,

17/07/2009 16:01:31
#1. Brown has been desperate to remove the 2 big Scottish banks from Scottish control as he believes that it is yet another obstacle to Independence. An Independent Scotland would have had large tax revenue etc from BOS and RBS if they were still Scots owned.
33

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 16:06:25
31
Scotaway

"Loosen up and let the light of reason shine on you."

You insist we meekly submit to being ruled by the economic imperatives of a capitalist elite, and you call this "reason".

34

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 16:14:18
31
Scotaway

"You really do enjoy pontificating on the comments of others whilst offering nothiing constructive yourself."

Whilst your "constructive" suggestion is that we roll over and accept whatever our corporate masters do to us like docile little sheeple. Fortunately, we are not all so pathetically weak and simpering.

35

Electric Hermit,

17/07/2009 19:31:42
35
Vista

Pedantic nonsense! The "extremes" can exist at the ends of ANY range. The simplistic drivel being spouted by Scotaway insists that the only "range" available to us is different forms of slavery. With slavery to the corporate elite at one end and, if one refuses that, slavery to the state being the only alternative at the other end. Being simplistic, nothing is identified in between.

My perspective is considerably less simplistic. But if I were to try and explain it in similar terms I would say that the "range" exists between the extremes of prioritising profits regardless of social cost and prioritising social benefit regardless of economic impact.

While ideological capitalists will insist that no compromise is possible with the economic imperatives of the market, I would just as vigorously insist that such a compromise is not only possible but essential to that part of the capitalist model which we can all embrace - trade.

Ideological capitalists like to represent trade as being unique to their conception of economics. This is one of the great lies. Trade is a facet of social interaction which is common to all humanity and, in its "natural" form, benefits everyone.

Capitalism seeks to impose a corrupt form of trade which benefits only a small, economically powerful elite.

The notion that the only choice is between the degraded and distorted trade of capitalism and no trade at all is a fallacy.

The threat that if we stray from the path of capitalist orthodoxy we must perforce fall into the abyss of totalitarianism is no more than self-serving scaremongering.


 

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