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Glasgow East by-election: Salmond welcomes poll findings



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Published Date: 11 July 2008
FIRST Minister Alex Salmond today hailed "dramatic" poll findings which suggest the SNP has overtaken Labour in voting intentions in Scotland for a Westminster general election.
The findings came as a boost to the SNP campaign in the Glasgow East by-election where Mr Salmond repeated his claim that a political "earthquake" was in the making.

"I think the ground is starting to tremble and shudder, I think the earthquake is
on the way," said Mr Salmond as he visited a Tesco supermarket in the Shettleston part of the constituency.

The YouGov poll for the Daily Telegraph put the SNP at 33% to Labour's 29% in Westminster voting intentions, the first time this has happened.

The Tories are running at 20% and the Lib Dems at 14%.

The same poll puts support for independence Scottish at 36%, compared to 48% against.

Other findings highlighted by the SNP from the poll were that 49% of Scots want the SNP to win in Glasgow East, compared to only 33% who favour Labour.

Mr Salmond said: "It's good to know that Scotland is cheering on the SNP in this by-election."

But Labour said today: "We are concentrating on the Glasgow East by-election.

"Interesting though this poll is on the views of Scots on issues such as independence and applying UK immigration laws north of the border, this Scotland-wide poll tells us very little about the views of people in the East End."

Mr Salmond's supermarket visit was intended to hammer home the SNP view that the cost of living was a dominant feature of the campaign.

He said: "A lot of folk want to use this by-election to force action from the Westminster Government right now on the things that concern people as they shop, travel and try to heat their homes.

"That is a perfectly reasonable thing for the folk of Glasgow East to want to do."

Mr Salmond said he would not be surprised to see "some movement" from Prime Minister Gordon Brown to ease living costs in a "desperate" attempt to save the seat where Labour is defending a 13,500 majority.

"If that happens when we are in the run-up to a by-election, just think what happens when we get the earthquake of (SNP candidate) John Mason taking one of the safest Labour seats in the country," he said.

Mr Salmond accompanied Mr Mason as the pair toured the aisles and selected items of Scottish produce for their trolley. The bill came to £20.88 for strawberries, milk, mushrooms, salmon, oatcakes, a macaroon bar, butter, steak and a cool bag.

But the visit drew a varied response from shoppers.

Adam Miller, 19, a student from Sandyhills in the constituency, asked Mr Salmond how he could join the SNP.

"I want Scotland to govern itself because I don't like the way we have to pay taxes to Westminster and they give us back a block amount of money and make out as if we were stealing money from the English taxpayers," said Mr Miller.

Another shopper, Janet Watt, 77, from Uddingston, outside the constituency, said: "I'm Tory right through to my great-grandfather.
"I don't think Scotland can stand alone and I don't want to see the country separated – no separation."

A young married couple who did not meet Mr Salmond were scathing in their condemnation of all politicians.

John Dolan, 30, from Garrowhill, was shopping with Fiona McWilliam, 27, and their son John, 16 months.

Ms McWilliam declared after the SNP posse passed by: "Shake his hand? I would have spat on him. They are an absolute joke – they are not interested."

She complained that politicians of all varieties ignored working couples and concentrated only on those living on benefits.

"If you work you get nothing. It's an absolute joke," she said.

"They all go about in their big flash cars – they can afford the fuel crisis.

"They don't buy food at the supermarket – they go to restaurants, they get everything, we get nothing."

And she pointed out the £16 cost of two packs of disposable nappies in her trolley.

Her husband said: "We will never vote for anybody, because there is nobody for us.

"I'm a mechanic and I sometimes have to work 72 hours a week and sometimes I'm left with nothing.

"See these clothes? I've had these clothes for years because I spend it all on my boy. Everybody else gets everything for nothing."



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1

3inarow,

east end 11/07/2008 14:02:19
Not sure if i believe the mechanic. Is he just thick or something? Maybe if he didnt waste this money on disposable nappies, he might have a few bob.
2

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11/07/2008 14:11:32
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 14:11:48
Alex Salmond is a joke and an embarassment with his two jobs. If he really believed in Scotland he would not beg the Westminster government to give him money for nothing.
4

A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 14:19:04
More bad news for the unionists. The momentum for Independence is coming along nicely. By 2010 it will be dawdle. : )
5

Ananurhing,

11/07/2008 14:20:22
"Another shopper, Janet Watt, 77, from Uddingston, outside the constituency, said: "I'm Tory right through to my great-grandfather.
"I don't think Scotland can stand alone and I don't want to see the country separated – no separation."

ICE FLOE FOR MRS WATT???????............
6

Ananurhing,

11/07/2008 14:21:23
Meltdown minus 13 days...........and counting!
7

Patrick Henry,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 14:43:39
The same poll shows that 66 per cent of Scots want Scotland to become an independent member of the European Union.

I am afraid that, as neither Scotland nor any other country can become an independent member of the EU without first being an independent state, the proportion of those polled actually supporting independence must really be 66 per cent.

When people can fully face up to the reality of what they want Scotland's own government to be able to do and accept what that implies for the constitution, this country will vote for independence. It may even do so within the next few years.
8

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 11/07/2008 14:45:27
Another poll in the Gaurdian today has the SNP 4% ahead of Labour in Glasgow East.
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The Sultana,

Sutherland 11/07/2008 14:46:39
Where is David Marshall? Is he terribly ill? Surely he can provide a comment!
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11/07/2008 14:48:29
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11/07/2008 14:50:25
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steve52,

Kinfauns 11/07/2008 14:54:04
#2 Funny that in a TV documentary Shell stated that there was at least 40 years of oil in the North Sea. It was also shown that the fields already considered as running out were being sold to other companies who were extracting even more oil out of them.

But of course these were experts in the industry and not experts in scaremongering eh, No. 2 aply titled methinks.

So No. 3 if Salmond is a joke then Curran the Mouth must be an even bigger joke as she is trying hard to become someone with 2 jobs. Of course she will join her nose in the trough pals who voted to keep the so called John Lewis list.

Kettle and pot ....
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 11/07/2008 15:00:21
Polls mean nothing 74% of NE England voted against regionalisation.Goverment at Westminster ignored this and appointed regional ministers...who by the way do absolutely nothing except take the extra money.69% in a recent poll were for a referendum for an English Parliament..Westminster ignored this.Although I have no actual figures a high percentage of people want a referendum on the new EU constititution again ignored by Government.Demonstrative action is needed to shift any encumbent Parliament.
14

monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:09:19
Its interesting and entertaining to see the extremist wee Bravehearts eagerly seeking the destruction of their own country by independence. Only a shrink could explain the reasons for this Scottish death cult sect I suppose.
15

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 11/07/2008 15:14:13
Actually independance is viewed as the norm in Europe.My Finnish family would be extremely surprised to learn that their support for their countries independence is causing the destruction of their country.I think that people should move away from the rhetoric and go out and see how independent countries within Europe provide a good quality of life for their citizens and how international they are.
16

W Smith,

Middle East 11/07/2008 15:15:41
"She complained that poliiticians of all varities ignored working couples and concentrated only on those living on benefits".

AGREED.

If you choose to work in the private sector especially you are getting screwed.

"They all go about in their big flash cars.." a reference to Salmond's hybrid LEXUS which I believe can cost up to £85,000?

No problem for two salaries childless Salmond with his wife's senior civil servant pension which must give this couple and annual income of over £120,000 a year - before tax.

NICE WORK IF YOU CAN GET IT.

"They can afford the fuel crisis".

Spot on and the Salmonds can even afford to go 'green'.

BTW
I hope the SNP win this by-election but lets not kid ourselves here.

Salmond has spent more time prattling on about Trident than manufacturing jobs.

Calls himself an economist.
17

monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:20:26
The fact the extremist Nats don't like to admit is that Scotland could not survive without the financial aid of either Westminster or Brussels. True independence from both is what the wee Bravehearts are terrified of and shirk from facing.
18

danielrober,

11/07/2008 15:23:08
# 15

Has not the economy of Finland just collapsed and now seeks to benefit from taxing taffic between Sweden and Russia. If there is no EU bail out, with special incentives for Finnish paper Russia and Sewden will have a hard time of it. Is this the kind of politics Alec.S want's to play.

Alec.S is a walking economic disaster he's living off the back of others peoples work and has spent most of his life as a back bencher. Just what Scotland needs another ego maniac, seperated from the wider world, by decades of politicians expense accounts.

In fact i just can't express my opinion of these slice of hunmanity without breaking the rules of the scotmans. So i'll hold back and just say 'What an economic Lyer'.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 15:25:56
''Mr Salmond accompanied Mr Mason as the pair toured the aisles and selected items of Scottish produce for their trolley. The bill came to £20.88 for strawberries, milk, mushrooms, salmon, oatcakes, a macaroon bar, butter, steak and a cool bag''

Followed a heart attack 10 years later. After all we all live on strawberries, butter and steak.
20

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 15:27:55
danielrober at 15:25:56,

I think you'll find that the items selected were to highlight high quality Scottish Produce. Doh!!
21

Shaken,

11/07/2008 15:27:57
#2 Highland Mighty me thinks

You may start out sounding quite sane but as soon as we (nats) start poking holes in your fraudulent claims we get abuse.

So just for openers your slanted view on oil:

Alomst all industry experts agree that the price of oil wil rise to over $200 a barrel within the next 18 months regardless of where it is found or drilled..

Second:

So despite the complete implosion of Labour, the SNP are still only 4% ahead?

In this safest of Labour seats yes that is true. Perhaps people are beginning to wake up to the fact the members of this constituency under 50 years of labour rule have:

A lower life expectancy than most eatern EU counties
Half the population without any qualifications
Half the population on benefits

A rampant knife, gun and hard drugs culture which has destroyed the community.

Well Done Labour keep up the good work by 2010 we'll be independant again!
22

Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 15:31:06


Hawkeye the Noo, at 15:26:15,

Spot on - the trend in the political wind is only going one way.

The way of the SNP and towards Independence. The unionists are beginning to implode. Even they can now see that Independence is nigh. WHEN not if.

23

monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:32:18
The wee Bravehearts who think independence will bring some nirvana of social and financial prosperity to Scotland are mentally unbalanced. Stop watching Brigadoon....
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Cuthulan,

approx.12,000 miles fromEarth's core 11/07/2008 15:32:33
#17 Monkey Man
Please inform me how you come to this conclusion. I work for the "Macro Economic" financial industry and not one of the Business Analysts ,who work for World Reknown finacial industries, agree with you. Alex Salmond has worked in this industry and I trust his figures a hell of a lot better than yours, BTW how many times this year have YOU had a call from the Federal Reserve asking for assistance??
25

danielrober,

11/07/2008 15:34:12
John Dolan, "See these clothes? I've had these clothes for years because I spend it all on my boy. Everybody else gets everything for nothing."

A good dad.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 15:37:20
# 21 Jock Politicaljunkie,Glasgow

Strawberries, from Scotland. Well not if environmental objections backed by the SNP see the removal of poly-tunnels from the countryside. A few votes won from the Greens a few farms put out of business.
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:37:59
# 26 Cuthulan

Its quite simple why. If Alex Salmond believed Scotland could stand TRULY alone as an independent nation free from both Westminster or Brussels he would do so from the rooftops....but he never will as he knows the reality of the situation.


So what's it going to be.? Subsidy junkie from either Westminster or Brussels..or both.?
28

Macuistean,

Isle of Tiree 11/07/2008 15:42:31
Is it true that David Marshall has taken up a new job? I saw this somewhere although I can't remember where. Can anyone help?
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Jock Politicaljunkie,

Glasgow 11/07/2008 15:43:30

monkey man, at 15:32:18,

Independence will not bring any "nirvana" as you sneer. But what it WILL bring is a Scottish Government in full control of the country, working hard on solution to the problems of OUR COUNTRY.

Post Independence we will not waste money or time pathetically strutting our stuff at the UN Security Council with a lackey running behind with the breifcase containing the UK's RED BUTTON for the Trident WMD's.

No longer will bad policy decisions from London be made even worse by the artificial attempt to twist the policy into a one size fits all UK (non)solution.

Scotland AND England will be better of being better run post Independence.

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Suomi,

Salo.Finland 11/07/2008 15:44:00
I can assure #18 that the Finnish economy has not collapsed.Education is still free for all,including foreigners.The public transport system is excellent.All citizens have access to good health care.In fact infant mortality is lower than Scotland and cancer care is better.The environment is clean,housing is affordable and the country is able to provide aid to developing countries.In fact,Finland (5 million people-same as Scotland) has been providing Russia (largest country in the worlds) with economic support.I believe that many people in Scotland would be happy with the quality of life in Finland.However,The Finns also illustrate that arguments for independence are not just based on economics.They regard taking responsibility for your own affairs as being natural/normal,while at the same time they are very international.As people travel more,we can observe how things really are.We do not need to depend on the Daily Record anymore for information.
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:48:35
# 32 Jock

So in post-independence Scotland will also hide under the umbrella of "neutrality" at the UN just like Ireland without financially contributing towards it.? Just embarrassing stuff....

32

Cuthulan,

approx. 12,000 miles from Earth's Core 11/07/2008 15:49:20
#29 Monkey Man
Scotland makes money ,of that there is NO DOUBT.It has a mass of raw material reserves , agroculture , some of the world's biggest finacial industies , textile and manufacturing and whisky industies and a global brand name. It has low over heads , i.e. a population of ONLY approx 5 million , and a well educted one at that. It has a lot of potential in future markets as well, wind and wave for example. I know of NO business analyst that agrees with YOUR doom laden unbacked statements.
FYI the London financial industies have needed 100 BILLION POUNDS of taxpayer money just to keep thier doors open this year alone . So who is the subsidy junkie again ?
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 15:53:50
# 29

Well why isn't Alex Salmond issuing a declaration of full independence from both Westminster and Brussels if Scotland is such a land of milk and honey.?

The " man" himself can't even desist from picking up his Westminster pay-packet to subsidise his own bloated salary from up here. I reckon that says it all...
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Peter,

SNP for me! 11/07/2008 15:55:58
What about the other poll for the same period that shows Labour in an even worse state?

SNP 41%
Labour 23%
Tories 10%
Libdems 9%

Fforgot - this is the Hootsmon it only publishes good news for Labour!
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Cuthulan,

approx. 12,000 miles from Earth's Core 11/07/2008 15:56:46
#36 Monkey Man
probably because he is sticking to his election manifesto PROMISE of a referendum in 2010. I know a polition sticking to his word is hard for people to understand.
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 16:01:53
# 39

This referendum will not propose TOTAL and genuine independence....only the selection to be subsidised by either Westminster, Brussels or both.

The SNP and Salmond especially are cowards.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 11/07/2008 16:05:52
#2 If a nat said, it's true, Salmond knows too well the value of the oil and knows that it is only a bonus at present for an independent nation, but certainly don't need it to survive as an independent country.
Many top enonomists have said the same, so you are totally wasting your breath if you think that anybody, other than your fellow spineless Unionist dummies, is interested in your uneducated rants!
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Iainbroch,

Moray 11/07/2008 16:08:19
I see the piglets are getting hysterical again.

re12

Shell made a statement that was not cleared by the lie doctors in Downing street.

re15

You expect too much - just look at the posts of the piglet quislings - they are so busy scrambing over each other at the trough they are incapable of seeing anything beyond the a!!!! of the next grunter.
The rest are on thier knees giving free blow jobs for other oinkers - as some piggies are more equal than other piggies.
39

brownlie,

11/07/2008 16:09:29
36 Monkey

The sooner you get rid of your negativity and take a more positive attitude to life the sooner you will evolve from your first moniker to your second.

I do not recall you ever making a positive statements in any of your frequent contributions.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 16:13:13
Desperate times for unionists as the comments show here. Lashing out everywhere...flailing...

I hope that post-independence we will all work together for the betterment of this country, whatever our current positions are. On the other hand, there is the A1 and M74...and the major airports and train stations...for those who would rather live as (ahem) political exiles from their own country. To these people I say, good f'in riddance.
41

Senga Jean,

11/07/2008 16:16:51
Comments from The monkey Man ,great Deception etc are both patronising and insulting to the people of Scotland. They think we would uniquely be unable to stand on our own two feet. Even without OIL we could. With OIL it would just be that much better. The SNP cares for Scotland and does not take orders from abroad! These polls are really upsetting to Unionists. GOOD!
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 16:23:44
# 33 Suomi,Salo.Finland

I'm a fan of Finland, as a rare liberal country (not natioanlist). But your economy has still collapsed. Mass employment has been based on the 'superb' foresty indusrty over the last 40 years. Continued use of recycling of paper has affected your base empoyment line. Even though some recycling plants are run by engineers from Finland, these guys are not of direct benefit to Finland.

This loss of jobs has been reduced by the welcomed hard working Fins to other EU states not least UK and Germany, as well as Russia.

But untill 2014 the entire EU, even yes Alec.S zone of mighty control is under massive pressure due to huge benefits for retires. This 'MARCO-ECONOMIC' problem will have sorted its self out by 2014, not 2010 (which is why PM G.Brown is more than a little brassed off).
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11/07/2008 16:24:29
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 16:25:04
Maybe this is too difficult a question for the traitors to Scotland who wish its destruction and dragged back to the Dark Ages by a phoney independence but I'll ask it again. Why isn't the overlord Salmond demanding FULL independence from both Wstminster and Brussels.? I think you know why...as do I.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 16:29:04
# 38 Jackie Priest,

Realy dude your going to have to do a course in economics.

Could you also sign up Alec.S while your at it, when was the last time he had to retrain for a job change? Oh sorry, he has two expense acounts now to bail him out of reality.
46

Geoff,

sa 11/07/2008 16:29:43
I admire Alex salmond-he is an able politician but,without sounding 'sour grapes' you have to admit that anybody would look good compared to the Labour party in their present state. I am just sad that in their demise, they are dragging the Union down with them altho if one looks at the above figures the Nat figure of 33% is still way below the combined Unionist total of 63%. the problem is of course that the unionist vote is split!
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 16:31:52
50 Goff

You'll also find the SNP vote is split, 40% of SNP voters do not want independence.
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Cuthulan,

approx. 12,000 miles from Earth's Core 11/07/2008 16:32:36
#48 Monkey Man
I will type this SLOWLY as you obviously have problems with comprehension.
probably because he is sticking to his election manifesto PROMISE of a referendum in 2010. I know a polition sticking to his word is hard for people to understand
I personally would class YOURSELF as the traitor to Scotland ,in the Quizling brand of traitors.
Now as you are obviously here just to stir things up and do not have a clue what you are talking about, I am off to enjoy the weekend.
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Geoff,

sa 11/07/2008 16:36:38
51 The great deception-thanks for that interesting stat!
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 16:37:03
#52

Enjoy your weekend off. Maybe you'll work out in that time what FULL genuine independence is from a " promise".
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Ananurhing,

11/07/2008 16:37:24
MONKEY MAN

You really are a sad, sad, bitter little simian troll with nothing to say, aren't you!
I honestly wish I could understand what drives your incessant bile and cringing chip on your shoulder. Either you've had some bitter disappointments in life, or have been very unlucky in love.
Either way, from here you appear to be suffering from some kind of psychosis, or are you simply showing misplaced loyalty to your pal Gordon from Sociopaths Anonymous, aka Scottish Labour!

Are you paid to do this? You can't possibly mean what you say! No one can be THAT negative, and not be on suitable medication!
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 16:40:55
# 50 Geoff,sa

Yep, drag down is certainly whats going to happen is the separationhappens in 2010 and just to the economy of Northern Europe.

I'd buy USA dollars if i was you, when the £ disappears so will a ready souce of investment income for SA, OZ and NZ. Not to mentioned other former colonial countries. After all no UK, no former Empire guilt therefore no special trade deals. The UK might be able to stand up for special trade rights for the south zone, particulary with work permits and wine imports, but not after independence.

I do belive the term is 'closed door'.
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Zorbathejock,

Paphos 11/07/2008 16:42:18
I live in Cyprus, an independent country,although occupied in the North.the cost of living here is well below that of Scotland.Annual rates £50 and refuse collected every second day water rates £12.50 per quarter.Beef approx £4.29 per kilo etc (these are Cyprus £ prices @.58 euros per £) If a small island country like this can manage to run itself why can't Scotland with it's oil, water,manufacturing etc?Time for scots to assert themselves!!
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Nevsky,

Moscow 11/07/2008 16:45:27
I wonder if any unionist could point to any European country that would return it's independence?

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Mr. Henry Brown Esquire.,

Altnaharra. 11/07/2008 16:46:22
#55.
Yes I agree there. Over the past few days there appears to be some kind of hyper activity coming from that direction.

When I was in the Far East on the plantation, one always got a good warning prior to earthquakes and natural disaster when the small rodent types started to become very unsettled running hither and thither, I can sense a similar pattern here.
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Mr. Henry Brown Esquire.,

11/07/2008 16:49:53
#57.

Is there evidence to support your doomsday theory,after countries gain independence?

Or is it just the bankrupt establishment machine cranking up the rhetoric?

There is plenty evidence to support the contrary view.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 16:51:43
# 59 Zorbathejock,Paphos

Surpising. Everyone i've met from Cyprus gets on quite well with the UK. After all we kept our bases there when everyone else said we should have 'legged it'. Besides you now have a model econmy based on the movement of people, for mass travel experineces, offering culture and great weather. I'd hardly think you guys would have a beef with the UK. Could you explained what your problem with us is? I'm interested.
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monkey man,

11/07/2008 16:51:49
# 58

Alex Salmond is only a common or garden populist politician easily whipping up support on cheap and embarrassing anti-English sentiment and prejudice.

Any pub bore can do it in Scotland. Of course, the brain-dead lower orders and dis-advantaged in our Scottish society love this kind of thing in sticking it to "the Engerlush" as a scapegoat and release-valve to make up for the shortcomings in their lives. But the more sophisticated and intelligent Scots avoid the jingo Scots nationalism like the plague it is.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 16:54:44
# 62 Mr. Henry Brown Esquire.,

Not doomsday, just historic bad timing. A war, energy crisis, loaming mass retirment, International companies cutting down staff, numerous environmental and economic threats etc, etc. Yet why not wait just 4 years. What the Heck is the SNP problem. It's only 4 years.
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A Better Way,

Republic of Scotland 11/07/2008 16:56:09
tisk tisk Daniel Robber, You know very well that the United Kingdom has incurred debts to the tune of 1.3 trillion us dollars. Please do not lecture countries like finland that are able to live within their means, and still provide one of the best standards of Living in the world for its people.

Try actually arguing your point by making truthfull statements of fact. Be a good little unionist now and toddle off to your homeland down south. You can then sing Rule Brittania till your hearts content. You lot are losing your fight hence the resorting to throwing London Mud around. Get used to the fact that we are on our way to doing things the Scottish Way for Scots by Scots.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta;CA Obama smoke n mirrors..McCain is Bush 11/07/2008 16:56:28
Hey Dudes ,

Is everyone in Scotland as desperate and miserable
as this couple. ??.


John Dolan, 30, from Garrowhill, was shopping with Fiona McWilliam, 27, and their son John, 16 months.

Ms McWilliam declared after the SNP posse passed by: "Shake his hand? I would have spat on him. They are an absolute joke – they are not interested."

She complained that politicians of all varieties ignored working couples and concentrated only on those living on benefits.

"If you work you get nothing. It's an absolute joke," she said.

"They all go about in their big flash cars – they can afford the fuel crisis.

"They don't buy food at the supermarket – they go to restaurants, they get everything, we get nothing."

And she pointed out the £16 cost of two packs of disposable nappies in her trolley.

Her husband said: "We will never vote for anybody, because there is nobody for us.

"I'm a mechanic and I sometimes have to work 72 hours a week and sometimes I'm left with nothing.

"See these clothes? I've had these clothes for years because I spend it all on my boy. Everybody else gets everything for nothing."
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Hey Dudes chill out: It will get worse when U go independent .

meanwhile read this and relax:

The Perfect D*ump

Every once in a while everyone experiences the perfect d*ump.
It's rare but a real thing of beauty. You sit down expecting the worst, but what you get is a smooth sliding, f*art-less masterpiece that breaks the water with the splash-less grace of an Olympic high-diving champion.

You use the toilet tissue to find that it
was totally unnecessary. It makes you feel that all is right in the world and that you are in perfect harmony with it.

GC

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Nevsky,

Moscow 11/07/2008 16:56:46
64.

pathetic
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 11/07/2008 16:57:23
I don't get it what is the point of voting SNP in the Westminster elections, why do they stand? They would get far more credence if they only stood for the Scottish Parliament.
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Zorbathejock,

Paphos 11/07/2008 16:59:04
#63 No problem with Uk as such.I just feel Scotland could do better on it's own.The Scots are liked in Cyprus to a greater extent than the English are.This ,I am told , is that during the turkish invasion the Scots forces gave their rations to the greek Cypriot refugees while the english didn't.i don't know if this is true but it's what the cypriots tell me.I can also tell you that most Cypriots would like the UK to give up the sovereign bases and return them to Cyprus and end this last bit of colonialism
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Earman,

Dumfries 11/07/2008 17:02:33
Looks like the Unionist Panic Button has been well and truly pushed, judging by the maniacal outpourings from the ever-dwindling band of "we cannae dae it oorsel's" quasi-Scots amongst us. Thank God for vision and hope, without which we would all be like them.

#59
Yes, a lovely place to which my employment is also taking me soon.
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Suomi,

SaloFinland 11/07/2008 17:03:10
#46 I can assure you that you notion that the Finnish economy has collapsed would not be shared by anyone who lives here.I am sitting in sunny Finland this evening and can observe the relative prosperity around me.
No matter, in terms of whether Finland is not nationalist (as you suggest),that depends on how you define nationalism.The Finns believe in independence and internationalism,They believe that with the claim of nationhood comes a responsibility to be self-determining.However,they do not believe that they are better than anyone else,nor do they wish to harm anyone else.In fact they wish to help less wealthy countries to develop social cohesion and improved quality of life. I have worked for the Finnish Foreign Ministry on such projects.That is what Finns mean by nationalism.That definition fits with my nationalism and that of the Scottish National Party.I notice the comment from Cyprus.My Finnish wife and her family frequentely ask me the same question:"Why does Scotland claim to be a nation but does not take responsibility for managing it's own affairs,or join the coalition of other independent nations in Europe?As I said,economics is one thing,the Finns view independance as something to be valued irrespective of economics.It is a legitimate point of view and it is a great pity that those motivated by partizan politics trash people who value what most people in the world take for granted.
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Ananurhing,

11/07/2008 17:05:39
Monkey Man

FFS you're Scottish?????????

That's 3 times recently I've heard someone say what I never thought I'd ever hear again. That Scotland is too wee, too pathetic, or too poor to run her own affairs. One was Mrs Watt (77) in this story, the other was Iain Gray a couple of weeks ago in this rag, and you. Or perhaps you and Iain Gray are one and the same. That would explain the moniker!



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Brian M,

Edinburgh 11/07/2008 17:06:56
It's time for change in Scottish politics. Scottish constituency Labour politicians have wasted 50 (?) years of having the majority in Scotland. They have done Scotland down. Time for them to go into a political wilderness and let others bring it on for Scotland
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 17:08:02
# 70 Zorbathejock,Paphos

Most squaddies are fairly nice and tend to do the same generous act. After all the Royal Engineers have been building bridges and schools in Africa for decades whislt other organisations have been just messing about with five star hotels.

Beside i am not against separation or even a Unionist. It just that the timing of 2010 is terrible. However we have a generation of politicos who see separation as just about the best excuse ever. Its not about separation, no one has a problem with that its timeing and one crazy guy. Alec.S just talks a good story, but there's nothing solid behind it.

It's Thatcherisum again. Celibrate 50 jobs here, whilst we loss 200 hundred jobs there. Nuts.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 17:13:19
# 72 Suomi,SaloFinland

Look i can understand how Finland would enjoy the benefit of Scotland adding its voice to the smaller countries that can pack a punch. But the timing is terible. Would your buddies at the Finnish Foreign Ministry not back off a little and realise Scotland needs a few more years.

Come on give us a break. We've bought paper from Finland for years when we could have got it cheaper and better from Canada.
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Zorbathejock,

Paphos 11/07/2008 17:17:31
#75 Doesn't matter in a way how the job situation goes although I believe Scotland would benefit with independence.Nations have the right to make their own decisions whether they are good or bad.It has to be an improvement to another country making them for you.This is probably why most of the UK is anti EU.
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 17:25:55
# 77

With respect losing your job over politics is no joke and finding a new one is not easy. As for the bases i'm sure we'll pull out of Cyprus the second the government asks us to. I just don't think we have the cash or manpower anymore.
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Publius,

London 11/07/2008 17:27:51
#72 Suomi,SaloFinland

Finland may be nominally independent. In fact it's a satellite. For centuries before 1815 Finland belonged to Sweden, then to Russia until 1918. Between 1918 and 1945 Finland was a German satellite. From 1945 unil the end of the USSR Finland was a Russian satellite. And now Finland is a German satellite again.
I don't think Finland holds any lessons for Soctland in or out of the UK.
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State.... Coatbridge 11/07/2008 17:28:07
C'mon Scotland...stand up and be a nation again !

Wait a minute...what is this...we were a nation before the Union?
Wow, we must have beend esperate to join England....Oh but wait another minute...it was because Lizzie (The Queen Lizzie as she was then) Couldn't have an heir to the crown and so...Oor James became their James as well...King of both countries at wan time eh...nae bother innat by the way.

Methinks this was more to do with power and wealth than for the sake of "his" people, but this is only an opinion of course.

Either way it is clear that Scotland (in relevant terms of course) is able to stand on it's own.
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If a nut said it, it's HM,

11/07/2008 17:28:38
Maybe it's your user name Highland Mighty. I think it's so cooooooool.
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The Great Deception,

11/07/2008 17:29:12
Alex Salmond is a little bit creepy with his poll "interpretations".
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Suomi,

Salo,Finland 11/07/2008 17:31:35
Okay #76,we will just have to agree to disagree.I have too much work to do.My assumption is that people buy goods on the basis of value for money but I will leave others to take up this point.I must hurry because we are two hours ahead,the weather and outdoor lifestyle is tempting.

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George Mackay,

Dundee 11/07/2008 17:32:08
Nice to read about Shrek and Donkey stuffing themselves at Tesco. Is Tesco is the shoppers' choice in Glasgow East? Or Aldi?
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danielrober,

11/07/2008 17:38:35
# 85

Enjoy the rest of your day.

But please check that fair trade is nothing new and has been operated for decades. Lots of Canadian paper mills would love to have their traditional business markets back. Some areas in Manitoba are not doing to well and are having to close some facilities.
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If a nut said it, it's HM,

11/07/2008 17:39:42
84 The Great Disappointment

You of course are completely sane.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 11/07/2008 17:42:44
I think concentrating on oil revenue is a bit simplistic. Oil accounts for huge reveues in Scotland not least the thousands of Scots working here in Russian but also the engineering companies involved in the development of oil fields world wide.
It's more than a debate about revenue. I would rather have an independent country with oil than without. Funny to hear people talk like this, offer it to Ukraine and see if they would quibble about what it could contribute to the economy!
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Kent2,

11/07/2008 17:44:26
84

You’re a little bit creepy with your spiteful postings.
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Peter,

SNP for me! 11/07/2008 17:53:59
Quiz, answer true or false

'The Union has given Scots a colonial mentality and with it a colonial's sense of inferiority.' Beveridge

'The Scots will blame the English for fewer and fewer of their ills as confidence builds in the Parliament at Holyrood and more powers are devolved' Carol Craig (Alf's biddie in)

'Life expectancy in Glasgow East End is lower than the Gaza Strip' John Mason

'I am not a Labour Party supporter' Doug Fraser

'Scotland should have greater control over its own fiscal levers' - recent Labour Friendly Think Tank Report

'An Independent Scotland would attract more inward investment creating an even stronger financial business sector' Deloitte's Ireland.

'Scotland is doomed if it becomes independent' (van Nosepicker)

'An Independent Scotland would have an annual Government surplus of at least £4.4 billion on current tax figures' Grant Thornton

'I live in the East End' Magrat Gurn.

'Scotland has known oil reserves of around 100 years at current rates of extraction' Oil Industry Spokesman.
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Kent2,

11/07/2008 17:58:27
91

Good moniker!

Mad gets my vote
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brownlie,

11/07/2008 18:00:31
Strange that every time British Pride posts the Great Deception appears as well. Co-incidence? Maybe!!
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Wee Wull,

Nr Peebles 11/07/2008 18:00:40
#86 Aldi is a very good shop with high quality produce at good prices, so there is no shame shopping there.

I am not employed by Aldi, just a satisfied customer.
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If a nut said it, it's HM,

11/07/2008 18:08:10
Wee Wull

Aldi for me too.
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Geoff,

sa 11/07/2008 18:11:48
60 Nevsky-"I wonder if any Unionist could point to anyeuropean country that would return its Independence?"
How about the nations that have joined the european Union!??!
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George Mackay,

Dundee 11/07/2008 18:17:54
#95; #96

I like Aldi too. I love the way they rush you through at the checkout. No time to chat her up.
Only pointing out that Shrek gets steak and salmon at Tesco and thinks that makes him a man of the people in Glasgow East.
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Geoff,

sa 11/07/2008 18:22:25
77danielrober-I think that if cyprus reunites,then the UK will have to return the Sovereign bases. The Turkish-Greek divide has been and continues to be a big enough distraction to relegate this issue way down the list at present.