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Government to press ahead with 42-day detention plan



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Published Date: 13 October 2008
The Government will press ahead with plans for 42-day terror detention today – despite claims that the measure is already "dead".
The House of Lords is expected to reject the controversial extension by an overwhelming margin when it votes later.

And former shadow home secretary David Davis – who resigned as an MP to highlight the threat to civil liberties – said he did not believe Labour backbenchers would support using the Parliament Act to force it through.

"I think it will be dead," he said. "It was something that was profitable for the Government – they thought by having 42 days and us opposing it they would make us look weak and them look strong.
"That was when 70% (of the public) supported it, now it's about 30% supporting the Government."

He continued: "Their own party probably won't support them in the Parliament Act, so I think it's probably over."

Labour backbencher David Winnick also warned that Prime Minister Gordon Brown was risking creating more divisions in his party by "foolishly" pushing ahead with the plan.

Mr Winnick, a leader of the Commons rebellion that was dramatically defeated by just nine votes in June, said: "It would be far better for the Government to accept the inevitable as far as the Lords is concerned and not force a very heavy defeat.

"At a time of such economic difficulties and global market crisis what sense is there to do this when we want the Government and party to be united?"

Forty-two renowned British writers have added their voices to those attacking the extension of the maximum detention time from 28 to 42 days – part of the Counter Terrorism Bill.

Those participating in the campaign – organised by human rights group Liberty – include illustrious names such as Philip Pullman, Monica Ali, Julian Barnes, Ian Rankin, Alain de Botton, Ali Smith and AL Kennedy.
Each writer has produced a new piece of work lambasting the controversial legislation, which have been published online at www.42writers.com.

However, the Home Office insisted it was determined to give police the "powers they need to tackle terrorism".
"It is not true that the Counter Terrorism Bill is to be dropped," a spokesman said. "The Government is determined to give the police the powers they need to tackle terrorism.
"That is why it is right and proper to legislate now to put in place the reserve power to go beyond 28 days if in future there is a clear operational need for it.
"We will now continue to press for these important measures as the Bill continues its passage through the House of Lords."
Mr Davis shocked Westminster by standing down as MP for Haltemprice and Howden in protest at the result of the Commons vote in June. He was re-elected after a campaign designed to highlight what he described as the "erosion" of civil liberties under Labour.
His replacement as shadow home secretary, Dominic Grieve, said the proposals were "unnecessary, unjustified and unworkable, as well as counter-productive and, now, a distraction when the world is facing economic crisis".
"We would propose practical alternatives that will improve our security without undermining on our fundamental freedoms," he added.

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  • Last Updated: 13 October 2008 7:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Mikey,

13/10/2008 11:14:59
Can we have Broon and Darling the first to be arrested on charges of finacial terrorism?
2

dude,

wishaw 13/10/2008 11:22:09
after blair for corruption
3

The Tin Man,

13/10/2008 11:36:23
42 days detention without trial for all 20-year-olds caught on CCTV in possesion of a tin of beer.
4

Guga II,

Rockall 13/10/2008 13:20:43
The New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party won't be happy till the whole population has been micro-chipped, all our personal details including medical records in their ID database, every last communication between people monitored and recorded, and a number branded on our foreheads.

In their ideal Stalinist, totalitarian, control freak world, we would also need permits to travel outside of our own area, and special permits to travel abroad. Taxation rates would be raised from the current 60% of income to 90%, and their central committee, most of whom are war criminals, would abolish elections as well as classing as terrorists any one who dissents.

Oh brave new world, Labour Party style.

5

cramond1,

The Bedlam Theatre of dewargaming 13/10/2008 13:22:23
Honest Mikey, and "dude", I was going to say the exact same before I scrolled down and found your posts!

Can we in a democratic society suggest suitable uses for the reptilians during their 42 days? How about a debate with George Galloway in mankinis? Sorry, NO (horrible thought). How about a truth serum? What do they really know about each other? How did they crawl to power etc. How many of these New World Order lackeys can we do without (honest answer required or our own Mr Mackay will throw away the key)? We won't do Gitmo, it's too awful even for them.
6

Lock,

13/10/2008 13:37:15
The same government used terrorism laws to freeze Icelandic assets last week. What guarantees that laws such as this one will actually be used for terrorism, as opposed to controlling the general population further, have they given?
7

JCA REID,

Annan 13/10/2008 13:40:04
It really does seem strange that Labour want 42days detention without trial. When the Northern Ireland Troubles were on the go, they resisted anything, or did nothing o fimportance to try & combat Terrorism.
It appears they can discriminate between the different types of Terrorism.
8

Queen D,

Glasgow 13/10/2008 14:38:17
The Scotsman has managed to get itself into the proper compartment on the BBC website in amongst the UK or English papers
Should you take yourself on to the website that way , you will see a lovely union flag and an IQ test!
9

Rufus T. Firefly,

13/10/2008 17:17:05
Do Nationalists have nothing better to do with their time...like say work on real issues that people care about?

Queen Mary's body 'should return'

Mary fled to England after being forced to abdicate
A Nationalist MSP has called for the remains of Mary Queen of Scots to be returned to Scotland.

The Catholic monarch's body has lain at Westminster Abbey in London since she was executed on the orders of her cousin Elizabeth I of England in 1587.

South of Scotland MSP Christine Grahame is to make a motion to the Scottish Parliament later this week demanding the body be repatriated.

Composer James MacMillan and Lib Dem MSP Hugh O'Donnell backed the call.

Ms Grahame also plans to write to culture minister Linda Fabiani urging the Scottish Government to support the campaign.

"She [Mary Queen of Scots] was an iconic historical Scots figure and ultimately the victim of English plotting," Ms Grahame said. Mary Queen of Scots is undoubtedly held in very great and affectionate esteem by Scots Catholics who admire her religious devotion and fidelity to the church

Catholic Church in Scotland spokesman

"Given the House of Stuart's association with Falkland Palace, a place where Mary is believed to have spent her happiest days, that would appear to be an appropriate place to inter her remains."

Mary fled to England after being forced to abdicate in 1567.

She was held prisoner by Elizabeth I, found guilty of treason and executed at Fotheringhay Castle in Northamptonshire 20 years later.

A spokesman for the Catholic Church in Scotland said: "Mary Queen of Scots is undoubtedly held in very great and affectionate esteem by Scots Catholics who admire her religious devotion and fidelity to the church.

"As such, there would be significant interest among many Catholics in any plan to repatriate her remains."

Westminster Abbey said the body of Mary Queen of Scots was taken there at the "express instructions" of her son, and it takes it
10

Kipling,

13/10/2008 18:01:18
#4. Guga -- Like I said before, all this was predictable if one looked at the behaviour against individuals living in specific labour areas during the 1990s. The problem with New Labour is it's one big hidden agenda, the question is, who is running that agenda? Is it the flabby lot that pass for 'socialist' members of parliament, or do they have bosses elsewhere?

Hey, wait a minute, in view of the terrorising tactics of the government thru' threatening 42-day detention, ID cards, reporting house moves to police, etc., why not lock THEM up for this period whilst the public investigates who lies behind their planned statutes?

 

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