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Holyrood to end postcode lottery over free personal care for elderly



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Published Date: 16 May 2008
THE Scottish Government said it would force councils to deliver free personal care to the elderly after MSPs voted against charging last night.
Politicians from all parties agreed it was wrong that eight councils continue to charge for assisting with food preparation due to a loophole in the free personal care legislation of 2002.

The vote also gave the SNP administration a mandate from Holyrood to go to Westminster to demand the £30 million attendance allowance – a benefit designed to self-fund people in care homes – which was withdrawn by the UK government after free personal care was introduced.

However, Labour was accused of U-turning on its support for the recent report into free personal care for the elderly by Lord Sutherland after voting against calls for the allowance to be reinstated.

MSPs backed a Tory amendment demanding the councils concerned – Glasgow, Dundee, Orkney, North Lanarkshire, Argyll and Bute, Renfrewshire, Scottish Borders and Stirling – stop charging immediately and pay back the estimated £25 million taken from some 12,000 elderly people.

The vote was a victory for a campaign led by David McLetchie, Tory MSP for Edinburgh Pentlands who has battled for an end to the "postcode lottery" determining which pensioners receive free care.

He told MSPs: "Together, the eight councils cover nearly a third of the population of Scotland and I do not think it is right that older people living in these areas should be the victims of a postcode lottery in the application and implementation of a policy which is meant to be of universal benefit across Scotland as a whole."

Mr McLetchie added: "There is nothing confusing about the legislation.

"The Act states local authorities may not charge for care of a kind mentioned in the Act (which states], as regards a person's eating requirements, assisting with the preparation of food and in the fulfilment of special dietary needs."

Last night, a spokesman for Nicola Sturgeon, the health secretary, confirmed that the Scottish Government intends to legislate to end the ambiguity that has allowed councils to charge, although it is unlikely they will force them to pay the money back.

There was nobody available from the eight councils to comment on the issue last night.

However, Glasgow City Council has previously stated that the vast majority of pensioners do not pay more than £15 a week for food preparation.

In Argyll and Bute, the figure has been estimated at £9.75 an hour and in Stirling it has been put at £8.80 an hour.

Prior to the vote, a spokesman for North Lanarkshire Council, which it has been estimated charges up to £21 a day for food preparation, said: "The initial legislation was ambiguous in some key areas and the (then] Scottish Executive's subsequent guidance was also unclear."

SNP ministers attacked their Labour counterparts for not backing demands for the return of the attendance allowance.

Ms Sturgeon told MSPs that the issue would be brought up at the next meeting of the Joint Ministerial Committee between the UK government and devolved governments.

She said the money was an important part of the funding review that would be needed to pay for free personal care over the next 25 years.

However, Margaret Curran, Labour's spokeswoman on health, accused the SNP of trying to misrepresent Labour's position and called for the Scottish Government to take a different approach to resolving the issue.

She added: "We accept and have consistently argued the resources should come to Scotland.

"But I will not allow (the SNP] to use that as an attempt to get into a narrow dispute with London.

"It is much more likely to resolve financial issues (by negotiating the bloc grant for Scotland from Westminster] than if you adopt the approach undertaken by Nicola Sturgeon."

"I would think this approach would lead to a much more constructive settlement."

COPING WITH INCREASING NUMBERS OF ELDERLY

THE debate on free personal care was brought forward by SNP ministers yesterday following a report on the flagship legislation by Lord Sutherland which was published last month.

In his report Lord Sutherland said that the cost of free personal care would probably treble by 2031 to £813 million because of the increasing number of elderly people, particularly those aged over 90.

Generally the number of over-65s is expected to rise from 837,000 in 2006 to 1.36 million by 2031.

Lord Sutherland said that the policy was currently suffering from a shortfall of £40 million a year, about £30 million of which was identified as being the Attendance Allowance withheld by Westminster since the act was passed in Holyrood in 2002.

The policy of free personal care, which was introduced by Labour and the Lib Dems, has also been contentious south of the Border because it is not available to pensioners in England.






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  • Last Updated: 15 May 2008 9:17 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

druidh,

edinburgh 16/05/2008 00:11:31
What were all those labour toe-rags thinking of? £30M we're due and once again they just roll over and let themselves be walked on.
2

Rasco,

Inverness 16/05/2008 00:12:38
I saw a little bit of this debate Duncan Mc.stuttering away,I will not allow the SNP Margaret Cu.Come on Wendy I thought you stood up for the Scottish people. chancer comes to mind.
3

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 16/05/2008 02:51:21
I would have thought that it was obvious that the Labour leader in Holyrood has already been found to be wanting in several departments; the fact that some of the others within that same group no longer regard anything she utters but are now going their own way is obvious.
A bit like Margaret Curran on Newsnight, she performed to her abilities, but as that guy on another programme usually say’s Your Fired. That woman is decidedly from the mould that pervades this motley crew in Holyrood.
Never done an honest days work, never got her hands dirty, does not know the price of mince. Does that sound familiar?
4

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 07:19:57
Quite right. There should be a level playing field.

MSPs might also make a level playing field for island dwellers.

For example, businesses delivering on mainland should also have to deliver on islands. Commercial traffic to islands should become free, the ferry subsidised by mainland fuel taxes. Same as with the post.
5

Non!!,

East Britain 16/05/2008 07:30:04
# 1 Druidh : £30 million we're due? How come "due"? Why on earth should personal care in Scotland be paid for from Westminster when it is not available/affordable in England. This is divisive and works against Scotland's interests in the end. And don't tell me "We're entitled. It's from our oil money." If you want to have free personal care , put your hands in your own pockets and pay for it.Surely you wouldn't grudge the old folks that!
6

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 07:59:45
4

Federation but not seperation??? How do you expect to acheive one without the other???
7

Alan Reid,

nz 16/05/2008 08:45:10
#5 Non, AS I understand it health was devolved back to Hollyrood, If the English people want the same deal tell them to vote for it.
8

bring them on,

16/05/2008 08:45:44
I was at the game with my three and 12 year old nephews.

Not much else I can say.
9

bring them on,

16/05/2008 08:57:57
Music? Good music?

BB King (1954 recording), You Upset Me Baby.

If you dinnae know it, buy it.

Callsic.
10

megz,

glasgow 16/05/2008 09:12:28
labour are a disgrace, so much for standing up for scotland eh? It is a sad sad day when the tories show more social conscience then them. I would hope that those labour voters will see sense and realise that labour does not stand for what it used to and stop voting for them.
11

bring them on,

16/05/2008 09:15:19
#10

Wobbly bobbly labour do not even qualify to be included in the disgrace basket
12

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 16/05/2008 09:15:34
As a modern caring society this kind of care for those who have made their contribution to our communities should not be subject to any kind of lottery. As citizens we must be supportive of the politicians to ensure they realise the vast majority of us support this policy that was implemented during the time the Lib Dems were in office, and who continue to support the current administration in its improved implementation. As the party who introduced the old age pension and were the real architects of the welfare state including the plannning of the NHS we are the true believers, not the "johhny come latelys"!
13

bring them on,

16/05/2008 09:22:02
Let it be me.


Aye, that was Brown Pants cry as he clawed his way into office.

Blair said, Time Is Right (another wee classic by Booker and the MGs, 1969), but Cyclpos cannae see the writting on the bathroom .

Sometimes You Just Can't Win (Mouse and the Traps).

Where did all the good bands go?
14

BIG EYE,

Paisley 16/05/2008 09:45:20
I am confused, was this part of the Labour re-launch or was it the start of the campaign to Save the Union?

Either way it clearly demonstrates why Scotland can never again make the mistake of allowing these chancers to form a Government.

Scared of upsetting their masters in London they cow tow once again happy that Scotland is being cheated out of £30 million pounds a year and old people are facing increasing hardship.

What a disgrace Labour has become and where do they find such supine puppets?
15

Jings Crivens,

16/05/2008 09:45:37
Whats taken Salmond and co so long to put this into place. They have been in power for a year and can't pass the buck on failing to sort this out.

Probably Cavalier Salmond spending too much time trying to sort Golf Courses out for his master err I mean friend trump
16

Non!!,

East britain 16/05/2008 09:49:12
#7 Alan Reid

Aye, it was devolved and so was the right for Scottish taxpayers to pay for any extras they might fancy. Have what ye want but not at someone else's expense.
17

bring them on,

16/05/2008 09:53:07
Alan Reid (from East Britain)

Your points are not clear, nor well thought out.

Are you an MP candidate?



18

kimba,

16/05/2008 10:02:21
Cash shortfall for Scotland's free care
# Clare Horton
# Society Guardian,
# Friday February 1 2008

Scotland's flagship policy of providing free personal and nursing care for elderly people is under threat because of a funding gap of up to £63m, a watchdog revealed today. So where is the extra money coming from!
19

bring them on,

16/05/2008 10:02:37
If it was up to me, I would say yes and no
20

bring them on,

16/05/2008 10:04:11
#18

Kimba

Maybe she keeps it in her drawers
21

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

16/05/2008 10:11:21
Whilst the principle of free personal care is correct the implementation of the policy I have to say has been at best ill-thought out, at worst downright incompetent and financially inept.
22

roughrider,

Glasgow 16/05/2008 10:14:00
Lets get this right, Mssss Curran thinks by demanding our own money back the Scottish gvmnt are picking fights with her westmonster masters.

I watched Curran during the debate she was a total embarrassment she like Wendy lets her obsessional hatred of the SNP get in the way of serious debate.
Her ranting fish wife attitude to politics and her arrogant,, ignorant,defensive approach to everything the SNP puts forward is pathetic.
Curran is typical of the shower of idiots that represent the liebour party, they certainly dont rep[resent the people who were daft enough to vote for them.
23

kimba,

16/05/2008 10:16:10
20.Wonder if you will be so flippant when salmond raises your council tax/LIT to pay for it!
24

roughrider,

Glasgow 16/05/2008 10:23:44
Voting against Lord Sutherland's recommendations after last week agreeing to them the sleaze and corruption party have shown that they are controlled by the fat control freak Broon in London and have absolutely nothing to offer the Scottish people but utter contempt.
25

brownlie,

16/05/2008 10:29:25
23 kimba

Quite right - the council tax did not rise on a yearly basis whilst our unionist cabal was in power at Holyrood.
26

bluehead,

edinburgh 16/05/2008 10:34:48
the labour party should now be called -the over the hill party-they have long since lost the way.
there has to be changes before any more damage is done to this country,it is already to late to repair the many terrible things that has been done.
edinburgh was once such a lovely place it is now a gigantic human sardine tin
27

bring them on,

16/05/2008 10:40:57
If you were to ask me, I would say that every so called MP gives a pound for everday they have sat around doing no good.

That money could be better spent on buying CDs for the children in China
28

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 10:47:02
21

Still pretending yer a Federalist?? are you too ashamed to admit yer only a unionist then??
Maybe you can explain how its possible for Scotland to become a Federal state within the union??
29

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

16/05/2008 11:10:40
#28 Why don't you just crawl back under your stone?
30

Alastair the First,

16/05/2008 11:12:53
Labour seem to continue to paint themselves into corners, asking for something and then voting against it when it's the SNP that brings it forward.

Every day this continues their support will continue to decline. They'll soon be below the Tories in popular support....
31

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 11:14:06
29

Why cant you just be honest about what it is you represent?? Your trying to sell snake oil to the yokels.
32

bring them on,

16/05/2008 11:29:56
The Stone Of Destiny?

Hope it's not Brown Shoes that's in charge
33

bring them on,

16/05/2008 11:31:55
Labour are the Gretna of politics.

Never thought I would hear myself say that, but there you go
34

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 11:33:02
#6 Foulkes.

Federation without separation, you ask?

Easy! Texas is part of the USA Union, yet is a federal state with its own laws, tax raising, etc.

Scotland could be the same (and other bits of Britain, too, if they wished).

Let's hear it for Governor Alex Salmond!
35

Miss H,

16/05/2008 11:42:44
5 Dear God. Here is a lesson in the way things work.

1) All of the money raised in Scotland goes to Westminster.

2) Some of that money is allocated back to Scotland in the form of a block grant.

3) That does not mean that it is 'Westminster's money'. It is actually Scotland's money.

4) The Scottish Government was able to introduce free personal and nursing care because it is devolved.

5) Attendance Allowance is part of the benefits system and is therefore reserved to Westminster. That is how they were able to claw it back.

6) The idea that free personal and nursing care 'replaced' attendance allowance is fundamentally false as demonstrated in Lord Sutherland's Review and as supported by every party in the Scottish Parliament other than Labour.

7) The reason 'the English' don't have free personal and nursing care is not because they can't afford it. They could afford it but they don't see it as a priority. That's a political choice taken by the elected representatives of the English people. Nothing to do with Scotland. Devolution allows for different priorities. If however the choosing of different priorities results in arbitrary punishment it shows up the flaws in devolution and is a further argument for independence.
36

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 11:47:45
34

You simply are an idiot get a clue.
37

pwd,

Borders 16/05/2008 11:48:30
*4 "There should be a level playing field."

Of course there should and it should be UK wide.
38

kimba,

16/05/2008 11:48:49

This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Wednesday May 14 2008. It was last updated at 16:36 on May 14 2008.

Alex Salmond's hopes of staging a referendum on Scotland's independence in 2010 appear to have ended after the Scottish Labour party forced its leader to abandon her plans to support the proposed vote.
Poor "wee eck" his plans up in smoke again.LOL!
39

Peter,

Labour - steal even from yer grannie 16/05/2008 11:58:23
Labour in Scotland's weasels scuttle back under their stone and begin evolve so little back bone that they turn into jelly fish.

Interesting this is a Scottish Tory amendment, isn't it.

Magrat Curant appears to have 'Welcome' tattooed on her back with a request that any Millbank apparatchiks should also have at least half inch cleats on their boot soles prior to use.

The bad news for the Labour weasels is that Badger has come to Holyrood Towers with Ratty the Tory, Mr Toad (the Liberal or is it Democrat - toot,toot), Margo Mole and a few other friends and is intent on throwing them out. Scotland wants something 'stoatally' different is the war cry.
40

bring them on,

16/05/2008 12:08:28
No much politics here.


I just read the Daily Truth. Brown doesnae even like football

Country in ruins


41

Arfur,

16/05/2008 12:11:39
#23 kimba - jumping in there with her two footed stupidity yet again.

Council tax rose every year under Labour. In fact it has risen 60% in 8 years or so. SNP have been in one year and......shock horror, there was no raise.
42

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 12:11:48
#34 Foulkes.

Dear me! You still can't produce a proper, reasoned argument, I see. Poor fellow.
43

bring them on,

16/05/2008 12:17:32
Rangers will take the usual Treble, Ally may stick with his usual double.

44

Peter,

Labour - steal even from yer grannie 16/05/2008 12:20:12
,Rules Am2 appeared over on a Herald thread praising the Union. I wonder if you could comment on the serial lies told Scotland by its Unionist masters for the last three hundred years and why any sort of federation based on this serial abuse of the Scottish nation could work?
1. McCrone report findings
2. GERS estimates of oil revenues to the UK Exchequer from Scottish 'extra territorial waters'
3. Scotland was bankrupt in 1707
4. Scotland never had a proper parliamentary democracy prior to 1707
5. Removal of Attendance Allowance by Brown from the Scottish Block Grant
6. Threats over Council Tax Benefit portion of the Scottish Block Grant
7. Scotland could not survive economically as an independent nation
8. Wendy Alexander's statement that a vote for an SNP Government would increase everyone's tax bill by £5,000
9. Labour in Scotland would support the vote requesting the return of all money's wrongly blocked by Westminster with regards Attendance Allowance
10 Labour in Scotland's claim that multi-nationals would leave Scotland if an SNP Government were elected
11. The EU would block automatic Scottish entry
12 The SNP Minority Government would never get any of its bills passed
13 Labour in Scotland were not simply Labour UK's hand puppets
14 Trump's planning application
15 Aviemore Planning disaster
16 Break up of the GHA being legal and appropriate(The EU has pointed out this is not the case, the bills 'author' - that'll be Wendy)
17 Aberdeen's financial mess left by Labour / Lib Dems
18 Custom controls on the Scottish Border if Scotland becomes independent
45

bring them on,

16/05/2008 12:22:26
Can I pick you up on point 4
46

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 12:25:01
42

Yep theres all the confirmation thats needed just another sh*t stirring cybertroll.
47

Sedov,

Scotland 16/05/2008 12:26:27
Great new and this is an example of what can happen when Scottish politicians are united.
48

bring them on,

16/05/2008 12:29:26
Why doesn't Billy McNeil stand forward?

Even the Rangers support would be behind him
49

Chris42,

16/05/2008 12:36:46
Can anyone tell me where on the Net I can obtain official data re how much tax Scotland contributes to the Treasury and how much funding it receives back?
50

bring them on,

16/05/2008 12:43:01
#49

Data?

Idee is your man, but speak to him nicely
51

Sile,

16/05/2008 12:53:19
7# We would love the chance to decide our own fate, the MPs in Westminster are as far removed from the English as they are for you, They vote for their parties not their constituants, I was at a conference a couple of weeks ago and when Simon Hughs was challenged on allowing the English i.e their own parliament within a federation giving her parity with the rest of Britain his answer was they will never allow that it would be like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas..
And you think you are hard one by all this grandstanding by Brown with his new initiatives is rollox as he only legislates for England on domestic issues how fair is that..we cant even vot that barsteward out.
52

Luke Skywalker,

Edinburgh, United Kingdom 16/05/2008 13:34:11
49 Chris. Don't be silly. That would expose the truth and then what would the Sentimental Nonsense Party do?
53

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 13:36:32
49

Nope the only data available is on Government sites and cannot be trusted because its party political.
54

kimba,

16/05/2008 13:47:34
41. And you really think that will last,how about the 1000 extra police officers,or lower class sizes,or even the £2000 grant for first time buyers,think you'll see them,don't hold your breath!
55

kimba,

16/05/2008 14:06:15
49. Does this help!

Top Index

Receipts (£ billion)
UK Scotland

Inland Revenue
Income tax 70.1 6.2 (8.8%)
Oil & gas revenues 2.2 2.0 (90.0%)
Non-oil corporation tax 25.4 2.2 (8.8%)
Capital gains tax 0.8 0.1 (8.8%)
Inheritance tax 1.5 0.1 (8.8%)
Stamp duties 2.0 0.2 (8.8%)
56

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 14:06:17
54

I wish you would hold yours for a while. I bet God is looking down right now wondering why he ever gave you fingers.
57

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 14:07:22
55

It certainly helps with government party political propaganda.
58

Chris42,

16/05/2008 14:29:02
49
55
Thanks. From Herald site I got this:
http://www.alba.org.uk/scotching/greatdeception.html
Food for thought.
59

Boggle fey the Bog,

16/05/2008 14:32:11
34 Rulesbutnotrulers,Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 11:33:02

Strange you should quote The Republic of Texas as a fine example of Federalism, - it was the last state of the Confederacy to be re-admitted to the Union after he civil war (It really didn't go back willingly).

It is also the only state in the Union that has the legal right to secede from the Union, if it's legislature so vote's to do.

Is this the model you would have for Scotland in a 'Federal UK'? Or would you have Scotland 'locked in to' a Federal union as are the other 49 states, or put it in the same position as the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico?

I await your reasoned response.
60

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 14:36:00
59

Especially as it was never an Independent country and certainly never a kingdom.
61

Boggle fey the Bog,

16/05/2008 15:03:25
60 Foulkes Off the CyberNat,Edinburgh 16/05/2008 14:36:00

I take it you refer to the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
As Texas fought a Great War in the early 19th Century against the Mexicans.

Which resulted in the Mexicans being defeated at the Battle of San Jacinto on 21 April 1836, and forcing President Generalissimo Antonio López de Santa Anna, to recognize Texian Independence, in return for his life.

The Republic of Texas continued as an Independent Republic until December 29 1845 when Texas was formally admitted as a State of the Union.
62

Al Ford,

Insch 16/05/2008 15:48:30
"Prior to the vote, a spokesman for North Lanarkshire Council (...) said: "The initial legislation was ambiguous in some key areas and the (then] Scottish Executive's subsequent guidance was also unclear.""

Congratulations to the SNP government for taking steps to sort out the previous Lab/LibDem administration's maladministration resulting from ambiguity and lack of clarity.

Ambiguity and lack of clarity seem to be Scottish Labour's stock in trade, apart from U-turns. I note to my horror and consternation that they have performed yet another one: by voting against calls for the filched attendance-allowance money to be reinstated.

If Scottish Labour go on showing themselves to be unprincipled and consistent only in their inconsistency, one may begin to suspect that they are unprincipled and inconsistent . . . and not very well led.
63

LEAL,

16/05/2008 17:28:18
Labour are a disgrace.They are downright anti-Scottish.why wont they support the Scottish govt on this issue?Because they put the interests of the London Labour govt before those of the Scottish people.Wendy Alexander is an embarasment to the Scottish parliament and the people.
64

Alba Abú,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 17:38:31
The Scottish Labour party have proven time and again that their loyalty is to Westminster and not to Scotland and the Scottish people. However,time is running out for these Johnny Englanders. I very much hope that full Independence for our country will deliver a knock-out blow to these cringers. I wonder will "Hen Broon" find a home for all his Scottish lackeys at number ten? Phoblacht na Alba go brugh!
65

brownlie,

16/05/2008 17:46:26
64 Alba

I hope you meant to say "Alba gu brath"!
66

,

16/05/2008 18:29:04
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
67

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 16/05/2008 18:30:03
#59 Boogle.

A reasoned reply? But of course (I am not Foulkes).

I used Texas for no other reason than that it is a successful State within a successful Federal Union. I could have used other States; or mentioned Australia, Canada, etc. That Texas could secede if it wished and yet doesn't certainly adds a piquancy to the debate!
68

kimba,

16/05/2008 18:40:40
66.when are you nats going to learn,WE ARE ONE COUNTRY,independence will NEVER happen,so stop wasting time and lets get on with making Britain Great.
69

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 18:57:56
67

So which Federation was Austrailia and Canada a part of then??
70

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 19:05:43
61

Ah now I see the similarity. Texas the Kingdom within the united Kingdoms of Mexico won its Independence first and then negociated its way into a Federation within the US. Or did it renegociate it status as a Kingdom within Mexico to become a federal state of the US?? No wait a minute wasnt it a region of Mexico fought a war to secede and then as an Independent state negociate with the US to become a part of its federation????

Now which part of the became Independent first and then negociated its way into a Federation are you confused about???
71

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 16/05/2008 19:06:29
68

Which Planet are you broadcasting from now Kimba??
72

ruthie,

lothian 16/05/2008 19:50:17
22 -i have to agree with you. Ms Curran comes across as a really nasty, viscious "debater".
73

Endangeredscot,

16/05/2008 22:22:10
Kimba:

Geography: Failed
History: Failed
Reality Check: Bounced

74

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 16/05/2008 22:34:44
Labour have firmly nailed their colours to the mast. They would rather have our elderly do without £30million of extra funding than go along with anything the SNP does.

Even the Tories and Libdems see the merit of the attendance allowance claim. Labour would rather sell their grannies than do anything to upset Westminster. How their largely elderly voters still vote for them I do not know?

We all knew they cared nothing for Scotland. Now we know they care little for the old.
75

bring them on,

16/05/2008 23:55:08
A Rangers spokesman said that all fans involved in the troubles will be banned.

Ally McCoist added nothing.

 

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