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Published Date: 07 March 2008
HILLARY Clinton has been branded a "monster" by one of Barack Obama's top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination.
In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman in London, Samantha Power, Mr Obama's key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp's true feelings about the former first lady.

Her comments came as Mr Obama, whose defeats in Texas and O
hio on Tuesday were largely attributed to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Mrs Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate.

Yesterday, the Obama camp went on the offensive, pointing out that Mrs Clinton has still not released her tax return and casting doubt on her experience.

In response, a Clinton adviser said the attack reminded him of the witch-hunt led by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, which led to the impeachment of her husband, Bill, when he was president.

Earlier, clearly rattled by the Ohio defeat, Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from her candidate.

"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

Ms Power said of the Clinton campaign: "Here, it looks like desperation. I hope it looks like desperation there, too.

"You just look at her and think, 'Ergh'. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive."

Ms Power's comments reveal how the inexperienced Obama campaign is coming under increasing pressure from a battle-hardened Clinton camp that saw Ohio as its last chance to save its candidate.

Before Tuesday's vote in Ohio, the press and the Clinton camp seized on remarks by Austan Goolsbee, Ms Power's colleague, on the North America Free Trade Agreement (Nafta). His comments are widely believed to have cost Mr Obama the Ohio Democratic presidential primary.

Mr Goolsbee, Mr Obama's top economic policy adviser, had told Canadian officials a public pledge to force a renegotiation of Nafta with tougher labour and environmental rules was "more about political positioning".

But the Clinton camp said Mr Obama could not tell the public of Ohio, where many manufacturing jobs have been lost, one thing and then tell a foreign government something else behind closed doors.

Yesterday, Mr Obama blamed fierce attacks by Mrs Clinton for his defeats in this week's big primaries, and quickly made good on a promise to sharpen his criticism of her, in what promises to become an all-out brawl in the race for the White House.

The Illinois senator took the offensive against Mrs Clinton, targeting her claims she is more experienced in handling foreign policy. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no," he said. "She made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. It's important to examine that argument."

In recent days, the former first lady argued that Mr Obama was getting a free ride with the media and had hinted he was not ready to be commander-in-chief in a crisis.

Mrs Clinton, asked about her national security qualifications, highlighted a series of events in which she played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis and standing up for women's rights in China.

Mr Obama's aides went on the offensive yesterday, holding a conference call to ask why Mrs Clinton had not released her tax returns. Her campaign team responded with a statement e-mailed to reporters while they were on the call that said the Clintons' returns since they left the White House would be made public around 15 April.

"There's no doubt Senator Clinton went very negative over the last week," Mr Obama said, adding that the Clinton campaign's attacks "had some impact" on the poll results, "particularly in the context where many of you in the press had been persuaded you had been too hard on her and too soft on me".

After this latest row, Howard Dean, head of the Democratic Party, warned that the tone of the campaign "may get nastier" and said discussions would take place to try to prevent that.

After Mr Obama's camp had raised the issue of Mrs Clinton's failure to release her tax returns, Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for Mrs Clinton, described the statement as being reminiscent of the attacks the Clintons endured during investigations by prosecutor Kenneth Starr in the 1990s, which many saw as politically motivated.

Mr Wolfson's introduction of Mr Starr's name again portrays Mrs Clinton as a victim, while her attacks on Mr Obama's "preparedness to be commander in chief and steward of the economy" continue.

Mr Wolfson said: "I, for one, do not believe imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president."

The Clinton campaign has also attacked Mr Obama's inexperience on foreign matters, but Ms Power insisted he was not afraid to take tough decisions on this front.

She added: "Hillary Clinton always portrays his position on meeting with dictators as naive."

Ms Power also described working for Mr Obama as a pleasure, and said that people who knew him "adore him".

She added: "When we started this, we were all backing the guy who was supposed to lose.

"He was 25 points down going in to Iowa in January.

"If people were in this for the job or the political reward they would have gone somewhere else. They would not have gone to Barack."

Ms Power also said she believed Gordon Brown and Mr Obama would get on "like a house on fire".

Ms Power was in the UK to promote her book on Sergio Vieira de Mello, the extraordinary UN representative who died in a Baghdad bomb attack.

PUBLISH AND BE DAMNED

WHEN is off the record actually off the record? When the rules are established in advance.

Journalists are always looking for knowledge and want the information they receive to be available for publication.

But occasionally an interviewer will accept an exchange is "off the record" and that the conversation is not attributable. Remarks can be used as background to inform a journalist's article.

If a conversation is to be off the record, that agreement is usually thrashed out before the interview begins. Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was "off the record" after the event.

But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published.

In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record.

A WOMAN OF POWER
SAMANTHA Power is the embodiment of the American immigrant dream.

Born in Dublin in 1970, she moved to the United States with her mother aged nine.

After being educated in state schools in Pittsburgh and Georgia, she gained entry to the prestigious Yale University, where she studied history. The self-deprecating Ms Power said this changed her life and opened many doors.

She worked as freelance journalist in Bosnia, after teaching herself the language in Croatia. Her only other journalism experience prior to that was covering the Yale women's volleyball team.

After graduating from Harvard Law School, she became an executive director and founder of the Carr Centre for Human Rights Policy at Harvard.

The 37-year-old already has one Pulitzer Prize behind her, for her book A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide and she is in the UK and Ireland to plug her new book, Chasing the Flame: Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight to Save the World.

Ms Power was head-hunted by Barack Obama to become his foreign-policy adviser in 2005 and combines this role with her job as a Time magazine columnist and professor of practice of global leadership and public policy at Harvard.





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  • Last Updated: 10 March 2008 8:45 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Barack Obama , US elections
 
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Boswall,

07/03/2008 00:31:37
If it gets the Clintons back in then I say go for it.

BO would be a a great VP and understudy to Hillary.
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Jock MacSprog,

Embra 07/03/2008 00:56:28
They are both tax and spend socialists, whats the diff really ?
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IggyHorowitz,

behind the chicken coop 07/03/2008 00:57:01
Apparently, "that is off the record" means nothing to the press anymore. Other than that, yeah, she's a freakish nightmare.
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williamx,

canada 07/03/2008 01:21:06
Come on. If it takes $100 million to run a presidential campaign, $10 million for a Senate or Congress campaign then they are all bought before they arrive by the industrial/medical/military/drug company complex. All are bought regardless of party affiliation.
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snakesup,

Georgia 07/03/2008 01:32:21
so, Obama calls her the hildabeast, too.........
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indune1,

07/03/2008 01:37:12
1 - What an extraordinarily naiive person you appear to be.

"If it gets the Clintons back into power"?

The Clintons?? WTF? GTF?

Look, Slick Willie is perhaps one of the most morally warped individuals to have held office in the US.

Hillary is claiming experience in foreign policy, economic policy and - stupidly - health policy; all while she was the wife of the President of the USA. She was unelected and has ridden Billy-Bob's coattails since his initial election.

He lied and cheated on her and - more importantly to the nation - on at least three separate occasions. The woman has no shame - only blind, naked ambition.

You would trust her as your financial advisor - given such a track record?

Wake up.
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Francene,

California 07/03/2008 01:44:45
I was under the impression when a person being interviewed states the qualifier "off the record" it means just that, off the record. The Scotsman may want to revisit that point. Journalistic integrity is in question here.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 02:00:07
15 - I make a living as a communications advisor. When preparing a client for a media interview, the first thing I tell them that is nothing, repeat nothing, is ever off the record and any journalist who makes such an offer should be instantly deemed as untrustworthy.

However, some supposedly savvy people do make such an agreement in the hope that it will be broken by the media and the resulting coverage have the desired. strategic effect for a mutual benefit.

Dealing with a journalist is like any other commercial transaction. If you haven't done your homework then you deserve the mark you will receive after the test is completed.
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Fred C Dobbs,

Lafayette 07/03/2008 02:00:37
I think the Scotsman has truthfully reported the results of the contests for in Ohio and Texas. The Scotsman says Clinton won both. The fact is she got more delegates in Ohio than Obama, but less Texas. As a result, she did not win them both. [If the Scotsman thinks the popular vote was point of the election, it is wrong. The election objects were delegates to cast votes at the Democrats Convention in August.] In fact, she has to win every contest forward by more than 20% to secure a number of delegates that will bring her the nomination.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 02:08:22
The Texas Delegates will be Annouced at the Democratic Convention In Denver this June. The caucuses in Texas were are Nightmare.

Hillary has Not won Texas yet, But as she told a National TV-NBC audience - I WILL Get the Nomination.
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William - Cedarburg, WI USA,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvrp1UWVimk 07/03/2008 02:11:02
It's all extreme this or that - negative platitudes signifying nothing.
You disagree with me and your must be a monster.

Just like this song - "I Am For Nuclear War"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvrp1UWVimk
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Ne'er Again,

Brandon, Ms 07/03/2008 02:12:41
Monster? That's not the half of it.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 02:13:27
'I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat.'

Hillary has Not won Texas Delegates yet, Popular Vote yes.
Thanks to the 'Archie Bunker Mentality 'of the older Voters.
Now she wants to break the rules For Mich. and Florida.
But as she told a National TV-NBC audience - I WILL Get the Nomination. Go Figure!
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LMKG,

Alaska 07/03/2008 02:24:49
Ms. Powers is merely saying aloud what millions of us are thinking.
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Wilove,

Aberdeen 07/03/2008 02:26:04
I see some sort of positive media bias towards the Clinton campaign team here. The writer refers to it as relatively inexperienced; talk about a very experienced Clinton campaign team that has been through a lot of shake ups with some top staff resigning.
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PortiaElizabeth,

New Hampshire, USA 07/03/2008 02:38:07
It's unfortunate that someone who represents herself as a spokesperson for Senator Obama is so obviously unprofessional. This seems to be a recurring characteristic of many in the Obama camp as they repeatedly make missteps worthy of a grade-school student council campaign, as evidenced by Obama's senior economic advisor Austan Goolsbee's documented meeting with the Canadian official on NAFTA. My fervent hope is that the good people of Scotland and England will take the time to examine the tactics of both the Clinton and Obama campaigns and then form conclusions as to which candidate is prepared to assume the Presidency of the United States.
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Scott Hamilton,

Morgantown 07/03/2008 02:55:56
Good Scots,

Over the next few weeks you will probably witness the destruction of an American Political Party. They will be done in by a scheme to front load the primary to get the advantage over the opposition that backfired horribly.

Enjoy

... I certainly will!

I just wish that my Republican father had lived long enough to enjoy this with me. He would have had so much fun!
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57Nomad,

california 07/03/2008 02:57:44
It doesn't make any difference who the Dems nominate. Europeans who are sure that Americans think like thay do abour Iraq and Afghanistan and are anxious to bring a Dem to the White House are sadly mistaken. Both Hillary and Barak have bad mouthed the effort while American troops are in the field and under fire. That is not well received and it will show in the general election. The Dems will not carry more than ten states no matter who they nominate. Get ready for President McCain.
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nene,

New Jersey 07/03/2008 03:06:15
It disturbs me that Obama, as chairman of the Foreign Policy Subcommittee on Europe and NATO, did not visit NATO headquarters or any other European country. You would think he would have jumped at the chance to really learn something important. To me, it looks like he thought he already knew everything, so why wait to run for president? Not exactly confidence inspiring.

So what will he do? Surround himself with experts, as George W. Bush did? What do we know about the type of people he would surround himself with, except that some of them will be Republicans, the very people who rubber-stamped Bush's every order.

I want to know now, before the nomination.

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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:14:44
46 - Yes, and your dear Hillary supported the invasion.
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Stuart 2,

U.S.A. 07/03/2008 03:19:38
If Clinton gets in it will be one giant for socialism and one world government. As for health care, the governments meddleing is what is wrong with it. She wants to take it over.

I never had any respect for Bill Clinton and have less for Hillary. If that is what the democrat party stands for why don't they just nominate a marxist that has enough character to say that he/she is one.

Europe and the world better be on their toes if hillary wins because the only help you will get is appeasement and just maybe a bombing of an asprin factory.
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Not my Country. Not another Clinton. Ever...,

Denver, Colorado 07/03/2008 03:19:55
That's just it...

It's

DEMOCRAT Hillary (BAD, BAD, BAD)

versus

DEMOCRAT Omaba (Good, Good, Good)

Coming from a state that carried Republicans for the past 16 years, everyone wants to see OBAMA win. McCain and the entire Republican party is an afterthought, in fact, no one I've met has said they are going to vote for McCain, but

Hillary is pushing her "Victim" Mentality!

She's all style and no substance!
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Gantry,

Long Island 07/03/2008 03:21:59
indune1, McCain can only carry on the corruption of the Bush debacle, the sinking of America's greatness into the rubble of a ruined economy. The American home, the symbol of achievement and pride in USA, today means nothing. Because of Bush ineptitude, ignorance, arrogance and people-be-damned, people are walking away from their homes. Home equity is at the lowest point since 1950. Bankruptcy is at an all time high. Do you in your feeble mind think the American people will elect another Bush?? What planet are you visiting?? Or do you live there permanent??
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:22:27

51 - McCain and the entire Republican party is an afterthought, in fact, no one I've met has said they are going to vote for McCain.

Perhaps you are mingling in the wrong circles or need to get more.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 03:25:14
Gantry....Rezko is Obama's "mentor"? Are you kidding? The guy was one of many contributors to Obama, and upon learning what was going on, Obama forwarded Rezko's $11,500 of contibutions to charity. If that's all you've got on him, then you're reaching.

And DirOfTheObv...that "wink wink" stuff regarding Canada and NAFTA is nothing more than Hillary Clinton rhetorical talking points. The Obama camp and the Canadian government have both made clear that the dialogue they had was mischaracterized in that report, and have clarified the situation quite clearly.

It's extremely telling that in order to create controvery about Obama, Hillary's campaign is having to invent and lie about it. It's just too bad that so many uninformed voters out there fall for it.

And compare these invented controversies to the incontrovertible failures of Hillary in years past. She says she'll reform health care when she's already failed miserably at doing it back in the '90's....and it was largely because she was so kniving in her methods that she alienated not only Republicans and moderates, but also her own Democratic allies!

And National Security? She claims to have a handle on that when she actually played a part in getting us into a war in Iraq that's cost thousands upon thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars!

But by all means, let's get mad at Obama for simply knowing a person who broke the law. Yeah....that's REAL logical.
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Another Long Islander,

Ny 07/03/2008 03:29:29
Funny thing is a nut like Gantry knocks McCain and McCain is essentially a democrat disguised as a republican so in essence he or she is knocking their own lol lol ironic isnt it.
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Not my Country. Not another Clinton. Ever...,

Denver, Colorado 07/03/2008 03:29:53
Gantry,

Did you not see the headlines last year that Hillary was having "Secret Meetings" with Bush?

She's going to tow the line. NO MORE OF THE SAME TWO FAMILIES IN THE WHITEHOUSE.

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Another Long Islander,

NY 07/03/2008 03:34:48
#59 gantry, its ironic you knock obama yet hilliary had file gate, vince foster, travel gate, white water, et al. Hypocrisy is alive and well in the gantry world I am a republican but I gotta say, if electing obama gets rid of the clintons I say GO OBAMA. PS remember obama has hinted he is going to give republcans key spots in his cabinet. He cant be that bad of a guy now can he. lol
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Creepmaster ,

USA 07/03/2008 03:36:42
A good picture of Hillary is here- www.creepyvision.com - Hillary wants to force her agenda on us that will make bush seem like a dream come true. Remember - the president doesn't have all the power -we do - The federal goverment cannot watch our kids at home, make them do thier homework, teach them manners, respect, ethics or responsibility - Parents do. It all starts with individuals and we must remember that our founding fathers wanted us as citizens to have FREEDOM amoung the formost right as a human. We cannot be Free if we are endentured servents to the US Federal Government - Be it the bias tax system, federal and corporate welfare systems, to the arts and education departments - we are a bloated governement and unfortunately none of the canidates will be addressing these issues - it will be status quo for a while.
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Another Long Islander,

NY 07/03/2008 03:36:47
funny, gantry is a racist to boot. Mrs Black?????? Thats not very democratic now is it? And how did he raise that money? By people liking him thats how. And he has been groomed since the convention of 2004. go back to the tapes to jog your small mind. duh.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:36:52

Oh my, dear Gantry, you are indeed getting carried away. Get a paper bag and breathe in and out of it for at least 2 mins.

Yes, Bush is an idiot. Jimmy Carter was a hopeless wimp. Clinton was a lying, cheating, man of the worst type but a brilliant orator ( oral being the operative).

So what? Your fellow Americans voted Bush in twice as they did the fatally flawed Clintons.

A more dispassionate, experienced observer would conclude that Hillary Clinton has only a slim chance of getting to and winning the convention.

Piece of advice: Start the Prozac program. After November, triple the dosage, immigrate (God knows where) or become a "Obamma Jamma" for 2012. DO you have a medicare plan that will cover the Prozac costs for such a long period?

I really do hope so, if only for the sake of your fellow Long Island rodents.
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Another Long Islander,

ny 07/03/2008 03:37:43
creepmaster you make too much sense. The fanatics on here wont listen to you. sadly.
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mogalmike,

Philadelphia, PA 07/03/2008 03:39:43
Hillary is awful. . . What more do you need to know? However, the "old Guard" will not go "quietly into that good night." Hopefully PA will do the right thing and put her finally put her away.
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Dan Weinkauf,

Los Angeles, CA 07/03/2008 03:45:54
"They are both tax and spend socialists, whats the diff really ?"

I'll take that over spend incredulously, then force someone else to tax later once interest has accrued, as has been the staple of Reaganomics. What about GW Sr.? Remember, "Read my lips, no new taxes!" Then reality hit... Why don't you take a moment to examine the quality of life in nations like Norway and Sweden, in tangent with their tax rates.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:47:17

Official Psycho Warning!!!

Poster known as Gantry is to be ignored. Responding to his postings will only cause him/her to have inflated view of self-value and relevance.

Desist from responding or referring to his/her psotings. This is asked only in the better interest of America's and the world's mental health.

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abehn,

San Jose, CA, US 07/03/2008 03:47:53
And these breathless and babbling remarks come from someone who acts as Sen. Obama's "key foreign policy aide"? Oh, great--having amateur hour in the WH is going to be such fun after the trainwreck American foreign policy has been for the last seven years.

Her implication that Ohioans are a bunch of poor deluded fools simply because they didn't vote for her candidate is insulting to the voters. But when things don't go well for the Obama campaign, rather like petulant teenagers, they blame everyone but themselves.
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FLGirl,

Florida, USA 07/03/2008 03:48:53
all my 18 year old students in the communications program know that "off the record" does not exist when dealing w/the media...that this woman, an advisor to a presidential candidate, is unaware of this fact proves that he is surrounded by idiots...add the one that said today he is not ready to answer a 3am call and neither is clinton - smart, very smart...keep giving the reps more ammunition...obama and his camp are so not ready for "prime time"...go back to school, all of you & come back in 8 years--unless rezko makes your political career go "puff"...
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:49:30
68 - Das Dumkoff - Huh?
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Bonnie B,

USA 07/03/2008 03:51:57
You might want to update your news regarding the secret meeting with Canada on NAFTA

"OTTAWA (AFP) - US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton's campaign, while rapping rival Barack Obama for telling US voters he is anti-NAFTA and saying otherwise to Canada, tried to reassure Canada too, local media said Thursday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080306/pl_afp/canadausdemocratsvotediplomacy
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:55:33

74 - Well done. It is has been conveniently ignored that Clinton advisors also reassured Canadian officals that her strident - and somewhat puzzling opposition to NAFTA, considering that her husband signed the agreement ( where was she then?) - was only political posturing and pandering to the Ohio masses.
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Bonnie B,

07/03/2008 03:56:24
Ah there really IS hope! Hope that we could have some honesty in the White House. Hillary really is a monster!
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svsolis,

Chicago 07/03/2008 04:00:08
I think that Ms. Powers is more than a little arrogant. I guess she must believe that if you are poor you cannot think things out. What exactly did Hillary stoop to. Is it because she dared to question Obama's capability? Is that why she is a monster? I think Obama not knowing what his economic advisor had been doing and saying, indicates that he lacks some capability. I'm sure she is upset that a professor was embarresed, because of course, professors should not be exposed when they make mistakes. Know that working class people are intelligent, and they know what they like and believe. Obama is not being forthright, he has been caught not being truthful about many things. How dare Ms. Powers call Hillary names. What would the reaction be if Obama was called names by one of his advisors.
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ceemonster,

california, usa 07/03/2008 04:02:01
er....what "Ms. Powers' comments reveal"....is that she, and the Obama strategists, are no less ugly, low and dirty than the camp of any other contender in the current presidential race, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton included. that has been plain to see to anyone who has been watching, but this woman is a sow with a mouth on her like that of the delightful Ann Coulter, and these quotes say a lot about the cynicism and hypocrisy of Senator Obama's "we're above dirty pool" pose.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 04:05:56
81- And the Republicans must be just sh**ting themselves laughing at this most public of trainwrecks.

The Clinton team has now set the standard. Be absolutely squeaky clean in every regard. Only problem being is when it is proven that you are not it is the equivalent of a political freefall without a parachute.
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divapatriot7,

Detroit 07/03/2008 04:19:54
Gantry: it is time to crawl back under your rock, and take your personal dogs with you. Only a facist islamic fundamentalist thinks that dogs are bad. You must be one. Say "Hi" to achma-I-am-a-nut-job for us when you see him.
Let him know we are comin' for his rear end, too.
Love from Detroit.
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joeysky,

usa 07/03/2008 04:21:45
if i'm with Obama campaign, i'm more concern with her calling OH voters obsessed to vote for Clinton. I'm sure every OH voters cast their votes with conscious and concern of their future. Obama can kiss OH goodbye for GE. He will have little chance to win the state.

To dismiss voters like that after you lost their voters is not a good move.
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Devs,

Washingtron, D.C. 07/03/2008 04:22:02
To most of us getting negative emails from Obama's campaign this comes as NO surprise. The candidate of hope and change who is above it all is one of the lowest snakes ever in any race. The proof will come out. He has attacked everyone from the get go. He is incompetent and shouldn't even be in the U.S. Senate. Does this constitute Affirmative Action or just white guilt? Oh and if you don't vote for his sorry butt you're a racist.

If he wins or not there will be riots must worse than when O.J. won and someone ....ummm some exuberant youth gave me a black eye and nearly broke my cheek...but it was just happiness. Imagine anger?
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 04:29:34
Gantry:

The full relationship of Obama to Rezko is as follows.

Obama bought a house that had a separate strip of land next to it which was bought by Rezko. This strip of land was later sold to Obama, totally legally.

Next, Rezko helped legally raise campaign contributions for Obama's campaign, as he had done with many politicians over the years. He also donated $11,500 of his own money. Upon news of the impending Rezko trial reaching the Obama campaign, the $11,500 Rezko had contributed was forwarded to charity.

Lastly, Rezko wrote a letter of recommendation for an intern that ended up working with Obama for a few weeks.

That's it. If there's more, then you must be the keeper of that secret knowledge. Otherwise, there is absolutely nothing worrying about this connection. I think it's safe to say we all KNOW someone who's done something illegal or immoral at some point, but simply KNOWING them doesn't make us guilty by association.

Incidentally, this reply is really meant for people who may not know the whole story, not for you. It's clear that your mind is set regardless of things like facts.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 04:37:03
Your poem makes it clear now Gantry. You appear to be a bigot.

Way to rhyme "man" with "man" by the way. Very inventive.
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Devs,

Obama's brand of Foreign Policy...we in trouble no 07/03/2008 04:41:07
http://www.whackynation.com/2008/02/15/senator-barack-obama-proves-he-is-a-dangerous-man/

even more telling, and this isn't some republican spin, but actual facts about the man. The Press is going to investigate this and you can be sure the Republicans will.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/02/obama-islam-the.html

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jim de,

07/03/2008 04:48:03
there is a paper that hillary wrote in college about a
radical named alinsky , he wrote a "rules for radicals"

here are the first six

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din
that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

" Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away, the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy ".

kind of interesting
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07/03/2008 04:49:50
Sorry - but I do remind all new posters to read and heed posting # 69.
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jim de,

07/03/2008 05:15:29
hey, does anybody know how much hillary made on those cattle futures?
she and bill have a lot in common with all of us , what with all those fees bill has been getting from foreigners i think those tax returns will show a little more than 35 million usd
i wonder if they know how much a gallon of milk costs
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Grant10,

California 07/03/2008 05:24:47
HillBillie would make a great understudy to Karl Rove. She has the experience as a union bashing attorney at Walmart. Years of accepting lies from her husband. She has done pretty well at Karl Rove style politics in weak attemps to stop her opponent. By the way Barack won Texas Delagate count! Nice that she claimed victory before Caucus was finished!

There is a clear choice for the US. Obama/Edwards 08.

We dont need Bill Clintons Middle East money or the big drug companies influnce over our healthcare in the US. Any wonder why these two crooks wont reveal their ta returns?
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Dahveed,

USA 07/03/2008 05:32:33
As their shenanigans surface Americans are quickly going to grow tired and frustrated from yet another round of "Clinton Fatigue Syndrome." We had our belly full back in the 90's. Hillary and Bill will be defeated by their own unscrupulous behavior and dishonesty.
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PresidentHillary ,

Oregon 07/03/2008 05:38:37
I have never seen so many immature comments in one location. This website wins that prize big time. What a bunch of whiny, poor losers. So Illusionist Obama got his private parts in wringers over the past week. Get used to it. I knew that he wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. He is not seasoned. His pouty foreign policy aide Samantha Powers isn't either. If she were she would be able to come up with a description more worthy of a Pulitzer Prize winner than "monster!" "That's off the record." Pathetic wimpish amateur.
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CaliforniaBhoy,

07/03/2008 05:43:41
#12 It might take a ton of money to run for president and if you look at where the money comes from, then you have a good idea who will be getting favors from the next administration.

Hillary has taken more money from big business interests than ALL the other candidates, Republican or Democrat, combined.

Barak Obama has refused all big business and PAC money and has raised huge amounts, much from very modest donations, from the American people.

He knows who he owes when he wins because the only favors he owes is to us!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 07/03/2008 05:53:51
Barack Hussein Obama (his full name)

In my opinion is a
"Smoke and Mirror" dude.

He will not, and can not, change a dam thing inside the Beltway in Washington DC

GC
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CaliforniaBhoy,

07/03/2008 06:17:47
109 GC Is there a point behind your "(his full name)" comment?

We know that hillary won't change anything inside the beltway. She's taken a lot of special interest money.

We know that McCain won't either! He has over 80 lobbyists working on his campaign, including his campaign manager.

Obama will at least try to change te status quo-he doesn't owe the beltway establishment anything!

He who pays the piper calls the tune!
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DestinyBender,

The Colonies 07/03/2008 06:24:27
The complete review of Samantha Power's book "A Problem from Hell", says, "one hopes that Power's book will cause more widespread unease about America's sideline-role in (these) horrific genocidal events. Former president Clinton is vilified for engaging in sexual acts with an intern, but hardly anyone damns him for his callous disinterest and inaction during the Rwandan atrocities. A strange sort of moral relativism indeed. (It's a wonder Clinton can sleep at night: there are few blacker marks on any former president than Rwanda on him.) Obviously, this is not the first Clinton that Power thinks ill of. It also reveals how much of a 'Blame America Firster' this International Policy Advisor to The Dali Bhama, really is.
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AbleGoodman,

Grand Junction, CO, USA 07/03/2008 06:29:04
It's too bad the site administrators feel that censorship is necessary. In view of what was left on the site, I would be very curious to see what was removed, and why. I would tend to remove only obscene expletives and body-function ad hominem attacks.
Like government, the administrators seem to want to exercise their power without the attendant accountability. Oh well, it's their website, and, like government, they can run it any way they want.
Tolkien was right: the One Ring of (political) Power is inherently evil and inevitably corrupting. The proof lies in all the hyper-emotional ad hominem blather on this talk string.
That's why I hate wannabe-clever politics: winning by any means is everything, while ideas and principles are nothing.
Billary is a disgraceful cancer on the American body politic. So are the "shoulder-pad gender feminist" Klinton Kool-Aid drinkers. They should be ashamed of themselves, but, being narcissists, they have no shame.
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Dwiniel,

Long Beach, California. 07/03/2008 06:29:41
Folks, let me preface with stating that I despise Hillary Clinton and have little use for Barrack Obama and I won't bore you with the details as to why. Let me just say I'm an old school pre Reagan style conversative. However, based I what I just read here, regardless of off or on the record, the woman has to go. One cannot get into that kind of dialouge and allow it into print. Second of all, Obama has been skating far too long and has a variety of prickly issues and frankly dodges substance. However, all of that aside, his main advantage has been in seeming to be above politcal mudslining. He must denouce and fire this woman because if he doesn't, he winds up in the mud with the Clintons, looses his perceived cleaniness and frankly, they are experts at this. On top of it all, if the man is foolish enough to have this woman as an advisor one must question his judgement. And yes, in my personal opinion, Hillary is a monster and makes her husband looks honest.
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Jesable,

Los Angeles, California 07/03/2008 06:41:09
Nothing but first signs of desperation!

I can't wait to see these people's face after all the superdelegates flock to Hillary's camp. Pennsylvania is Obama's last fire wall. They need to be ready for the moment of truth!
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KFED,

Yosemite 07/03/2008 06:43:58
"When pressed, he said he's attended the North Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona for more than 15 years, though he has never been baptized in that church. Now see, that's exactly the problem. Baptism is kind of a big thing in the Baptist Church. (That's how they got the name.) No baptism, not Baptist."

As long as Sen. McCain was baptized, no matter under what denomination, I don't think he would need to be baptized again.

As far as those whining about this comment by Ms. Power being off the record, you need to go back a read the WHOLE article, the author explains why it is now ON THE RECORD!
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CarolC,

DC 07/03/2008 06:44:45
What a fool Ms. Powers is. If that's the caliber of advisor Obama chooses, we're all in trouble if he wins the presidency.
Hillary's such a "monster" for running ads that said she was the most capable person to be president. What did that ridiculous Ms. Powers expect -- Hillary to run ads praising Obama. What a bunch of amateurs.
And for those of you commenting on Rezko, he has been a close friend of Obama's for almost 20 years. Rezko made it possible for Obama to buy his home by buying the lot next door that was being sold along with it. At the time, Rezko was already under investigation for influence peddling. And Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Obama's campaigns.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 06:47:28
107 "I have never seen so many immature comments in one location."

I take it you haven't seen many comments on Breitbart.com, have you?
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KFED,

07/03/2008 06:53:41
111-"You americans are good people but YOU dont ever want another George W Bush in power, as he is defineatly not for the working class of your country."

Whoa there, as a tax Paying American who makes a mid 5 figure income(I am the working class), Pres. Bushes tax cuts saves me about $2500.00 a year.

He's helped this working man out a lot!
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:06:36
"KFED.
how may people in the USA unmployed?"

Our unemployment rate is at 5%, can you say the same about your country???
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:07:40
Rather, I should say that 95% of our country is employed!
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joeysky,

07/03/2008 07:26:54
"We f***** up in Ohio," What a classy remark by foreign policy advisor.
Obama might need to rethink about his staff personal.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:31:51
"And 95% employed that impressive, but how many legally???"

All of it is legal. the illegals aren't counted, as they are not citizens and their numbers are not included.

If the Illegals are counted, it is still 5%!

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Jigs,

Laho Kole , Hawaii 07/03/2008 07:33:30
If you can imagine an organized crime syndicate run by vampires, that is an apt description of the Clinton Machine. They never give up, they never concede anything, and they always somehow manage to pop back to life. Hillary is driven by the flop sweat mania to replace her historical footnote from "wife of Monica Lewinsky's impeached boyfriend" with "first woman president, hung socialized medicine around the neck of the U.S." Bill is driven by the desire to get a third term in the Whitehouse, which is what this entire thing is really all about(just ask any clintonite true believer). Both of them want power back like a crack addict wants his next hit. So, yes, she is a monster to put it mildly.



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Experince...when has that ever been questioned,

USA 07/03/2008 07:36:31
The elusive and unstable foundation upon which the Obama party has built its campaign is starting to crake...wonder why? Lack of experience. Try translating charism in the Middle East. Clinton has a solid foundation and the experience which is recognized across the world.
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rancid brown,

Brown the Traitor 07/03/2008 07:37:07
She is a monster. All candidates are the same, except Ron Paul.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:40:12
Gas=3.39 a gallon.
Utilities= 50.00 a month, in the summer slightly higher.

I think the tax cuts help me make up the differnce!
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:42:29
"She is a monster. All candidates are the same, except Ron Paul."

Ron Paul has proven himself to be insignifcant in this election!
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:47:55
"she always let us know she has a president husband. I did not care who are the winner as a ordinary citizen.
I'm a bi. Hope the new president support GBLT people more."

........?????? Nevermind!
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voltaire's janny,

07/03/2008 08:15:31
Ugly
American

These two words just cannot stay apart can they?

The seedy lust for power is exposed by the pathetic 19th century voting system that compells the circus we are witnessing now.

Dubbya got in 1st time after a political coup.

Just as with school buses, crappy electrical fittings and truly minging beer, Americans cannot escape their anachronisms.

Maybe a woman would bring a welcome reduction in testosterone to the world's biggest bully, but I cannot shift the image of Hils at the big desk with some fit young researcher underneath giving it revenge for Monica.
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kyunschooler,

usa 07/03/2008 08:32:04
The part of this story referring to Mr. Goolsbee is entirely inaccurate, and he made no "gaffe" at all. The Canadian government has apologized for the mischaracterization of his remarks, and the entire story was flubbed by the mainstream American press. That is where the damage to the campaign in Ohio happened. There is now new evidence that the "gaffe" attributed to Mr. Goolsbee was actually committed by the Clinton campaign, which actually committed the act the Obama campaign was accused of--Clinton operatives contacted Canadian officials and said that they were only engaging in political posturing in Ohio in their NAFTA remarks. There is ongoing into the background of how this story was leaked and transformed in the way it came out. Check Canadian press for more details.
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kyunschooler,

USA 07/03/2008 08:42:17
Please check out Glenn Greenwald's blog in Salon for a thorough analysis of the Rezko non-story.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
"The Rezko Game" March 06, 2008 blog

There is absolutely nothing to indicate any wrongdoing by Barack Obama in relation to Rezko, but read this analysis of how these stories take on a life of their own.
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 08:42:46
Jacobite

Yes the West is corrupt. Maybe more than Africa, maybe not. But there is a difference.
In the west, the white man has advanced to the point where corruption in government does not completely destroy the lives of the general public. Whilst corrupt officials exist in the west, the local municipalites still maintain their respective suburbs, towns and cities. People have jobs and food, incompetence is rare and violence is not the norm.
Asking for grants is not a western trait, offering grants is.
Crruption is wrong at any level, but at least in the west the corruption is not at the expense of ALL the masses to the point that people are starving to death and thirsty.
Hillary will probably win, but lets hope she doesnt win the presidency. She will cause untold carnage.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 08:51:59
"Please check out Glenn Greenwald's blog in Salon for a thorough analysis of the Rezko non-story."

Salon is nothing but a liberal rag, and will print anything to make thenselves and their editorial board look good! Rezko is a story if you care to dig deeper and actually seek the truth!.

Rezko is just scratching the surface of Obamesiahs "truth"!!!

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davegolf,

Heidelberg, Germany 07/03/2008 08:52:53
Hillary IS a monster, will tell any lie, and will stop at nothing to win. This is not in doubt. Claiming that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary is one classic example of this - she was born in 1947 while Sir Edmund Hillary did not ascend Everest until 1953. Check out this article by Christopher Hitchens for the full story: http://www.slate.com/id/2182065

However, shame on the Scotsman for so clearly violating one of the the most basic tenets of journalism. So maybe Ms Power should have said the comment was off the record before she made it, but that really is splitting hairs. I doubt the Scotsman would ever have solved Watergate with such apparent disdain for the the conventions of journalism.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 08:56:44
Gantry:

In post 92, you claim, based on no actual evidence or proof that Rezko financed Obama's purchase of his house in Chicago. If you have some evidence or proof of this, then by all means, share. I'm sure that both the press and Clinton's campaign would appreciate this stunning new information that no one else seems to have. As far as what's been released in every news source I can find anywhere, the house was bought by Obama, and the strip of land next to it was bought by Rezko, period. Later on, part of that strip of land was sold by Rezko to Obama. And all of it was legal.

Secondly, you claim that Rezko is godfather to one of Obama's children. One, how about sharing your source on that claim as well? And two, even if it was true, then so what? Again....simply knowing someone who's broken the law or done something immoral doesn't make you guilty by association. And if you DO think that guilt by association is fair game, then are you at all concerned about Hillary's half-brother, Roger Clinton, who went to jail for drug-related charges and was then pardoned by Bill?

Meanwhile, I can claim all day with absolute factual certainty that Clinton's health care plan failed in the 1990's because she was so divisive in her handling of it that she even alienated members of her own Democratic Party who were totally on board with passing health care reform. I can also state unequivocally that she is one of the people who gave Bush authorization to undertake a war in Iraq that has cost at least tens of thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars.

Based on facts, you lose the debate, Gantry. I know you'll continue to spout your hateful, sometimes even racially motivated (post 89) rhetoric, but there it is, sport. Too bad the moderators already removed that one....it really showed you for who you are. Although, based on the lies you've been posting, you'll probably claim there was nothing racially charged in that "poem".
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KFED,

07/03/2008 09:01:54
"davegolf,So maybe Ms Power should have said the comment was off the record before she made it, "

Go back and read post 117, if you dare! Make sure you read the ENTIRE article before you try to sound intelligent just because you have read the first and last paragraph of the article!
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Number 6,

Germany 07/03/2008 09:09:55
The scenes at the polling booths in Texas were shameful, and looked like something out of a 3rd world country. Sheets of papers being stolen, car chases, police being called because people running polls were refusing to accept ballots from Obama supporters, claims that the stations had run out of ballot papers etc
etc etc. dreadful, nasty, dirty underhand politics.

It has CLINTON written all over it.
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Number 6,

Germany 07/03/2008 09:12:54
Astonishing that Obama would be so heavily critisised over his relationship with Rezko. Once again, it pales into insignificance compared to the people the Clinton's are involved with. Almost surreal the way the American population can be manipulated with so called "Perception management".
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eaanders,

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside- 07/03/2008 09:15:22
If the order of battle includes castration of the enemy then Clinton is fully qualified to be commander in chief. She and her campaign have been rooting around in the gutter like a pig for some time now, and she has found many of the press there to repeat the drivel she has been spewing or implying about Obama, over and over again. Obama should continue to stay on the high ground, since pigs ultimately get their due when they are slaughtered, in this case, at the polls.
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Number 6,

Germany 07/03/2008 09:17:56
135 Jacobite, just remind us again of the corruption involving Lord Archer and Thatcher. Does it come anywhere near the scale of LABOUR corruption ?.

If you are looking for examples , use the most effective and recent. Thats LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR.
thankyou.
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what kind of article is this?,

whatever 07/03/2008 09:21:06
"But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published."

What bullcrap. Is it really in the "public interest" that someone--anyone--calls Hillary a monster? What exactly is the importance of that particular line to inform voters on things that matter, such as domestic and foreign policies?

Samantha Power is a respectable academic who advises Obama on FOREIGN POLICY. If anyone pays attention at all, she gave a respectable comment on his experience in FOREIGN POLICY, which the author disrespectfully includes at the end of the story. For the headline, he instead writes in big letters her comments from an "unguarded moment" during the interview, during which she probably didn't know that the interview has begun/resumed. This shows just how low the quality of journalism in this publication is. Mr. Peev should be ashamed of himself for stooping so low just to get attention.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 09:22:36
In response to post 130 on the issue of experience, I have two points to make. One, Hillary's experience is hardly as solid as she likes to make it sound. 8 years of it were as First Lady, not in any elected office where she was held directly accountable to people that voted for her to represent them.

Two, and this goes for what I just said about Hillary as well, experience, in and of itself, is a highly overrated qualification. I'll give some varied examples to make the point as succinctly as I can.

First example, Abraham Lincoln, generally accepted as a great president, didn't even have a third the amount of experience that his predecessor, a generally accepted failure of a president named James Buchanan, had.

Second example, Dwight Eisenhower had NEVER BEEN ELECTED TO ANY OFFICE before becoming one of the country's most successful presidents ever.

Third example, switching up the theme, Steven Spielberg has made tons of movies. If experience is a clear, solid measure of ability to effectively do a job, then "Hook", one of his later films which was generally accepted as a not-very-good film, should have been a far superior film to "Jaws", one of his earlier projects.

And even in my own experience as someone who has done a great deal of hiring for a large corporation, I've frequently hired people straight out of college who have done a far superior job to people with decades of experience.

Lastly, there have even been scientific studies done that have shown that frequently, experience falls far behind raw ability as a relevant qualification, and is even at times a drawback because experience can foster more of a going-through-the-motions attitude. It's something you've done a hundred times, so you breeze through it and make a careless mistake.

So the point is, I think experience is far less important than ability. Take that for whatever it's worth.
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Westmacott,

US 07/03/2008 09:23:34
Unlike Ms. Powers, I am not an attorney, nor a Pulitzer Prize winner; I did not go to Yale, nor the Harvard School of Law.

However, I am a political operative and I do know how to speak to the press! When I am breaking confidences (in order to provide background), I FIRST tell the reporter that my observations are going to be "off the record" and then THEY have the choice of proceeding, or not.

Ms. Powers said something stupid and then tried to cover it up. "WHOOPS, that was off the record" can NEVER be claimed, AFTER THE FACT!

This woman may have all sorts of credentials (I can only guess how she "earned" those credentials) but she is still (as we say in the business) "a loose cannon."

If she is representative of Obama's campaign; it is no wonder he is beginning to fail. She is ignorant and vulgar. Case closed.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 09:35:52
What is clear about this election is that when it comes to large popular votes Obama does not win. He can only win states with large numbers of black voters, states that are relatively small and conservative, and caucuses.

The caucus system has to be the most unrepresentative selection system ever - Texas itself shows how ludicrous it is - how can 100,000 voters in the caucus elected a third of the delegates compared the two-thirds allocated to 2.8 million wwho voted in the primary. Caucuses are also unrepresentative as they disenfranchise many including those with work and family commitments. Caucuses favour the fanatics and zealots - and guess who has most of those?

No doubt someone will say that those are the rules. That would be all and fine if the rules were fair. But as we have seen with Michigan and Florida - there appears to be one set of rules for some states and another set of rules for the others.
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MonikaS ,

USA 07/03/2008 09:39:37
The Clinton machine will stop at nothing. Beneath her forced smile, Hillary's core is frightening. Unfortunately, just watch them spin Obama's defense of himself and his campaign as an attack on a "female" candidate. Quite absurd given the current situation.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 09:46:54
Hillary won Texas, Ohio and RI on Tuesday. She will be Americas next president. We can't wait.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 09:47:29
#54 Rezko links run much deeper.

* an internship the senator provided the son of a contributor at the request of Rezko

* Obama and Rezko's wife bought adjacent properties on Chicago's South Side, closing the deals on the same day. Seven months later, wanting a bigger yard for his $1.65 million house, Obama bought a slice of the Rezko property for $104,500 - way below the market value

* While Rezko was known to be under federal investigation, Obama toured a Chicago-area home with him to get his opinion of the property


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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 09:57:40
In post 155, it's falsely claimed that "He (Obama) can only win states with large numbers of black voters, states that are relatively small and conservative, and caucuses."

So then how do you explain Iowa? Or Vermont? Or Connecticut? Or Wisconsin? Or the fact that in Texas as in other states, he generally won the big population cities while Clinton won the bulk of the rural areas?

As with most claims that come out of the Clinton camp and it's supporters, yet again, this assertion doesn't hold up to honest scrutiny.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:00:40
Iowa - er that's a caucus

Vermont - that's a small state

Wisconsin - relatively small state (electoral college votes)

So what's your point Obamasshole?
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:01:52
#160 Apart from his home state of Illionois and the balck-domiated state of Georgia - what other big states has Obama won?
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Biker,

Ayr 07/03/2008 10:02:19
Collonials fighting amongst themselves on the Scotsman web pages? You could'nt make it up.
Go Hillary, you are still the acceptable face over here.
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Publius,

London 07/03/2008 10:02:40
Some points.
(1) There are two ways of choosing the head of government. There is the US way with primaries in which lots of people vote and there is the Granita Restaurant way in which two men meet in a restaurant and divvi up the job between themselves for the next 11 or 12 years. I prefer the US way.
(2) A lot of fuss by the Clinton camp about her being the first woman president. We've already had a woman prime minister. The difference is that Denis Thatcher wasn't PM before his spouse.
(3) If the next US president is a protectionist and ends NAFTA there will be a catastrophe in world trade and we'll all feel the fallout.
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:03:01
To post 158, yeah, I mentioned more of those specifics in a later reply, too. So what? Obama got a slice of a garden for below market value, so we're supposed to assume it must've been illegal and he'd be a bad president? This is supposed to be some kind of damning revelation?
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:10:52
Post 161...I actually meant to delete Iowa before I posted. My bad.

Aside from that, my point is that the bulk of your qualifications are relatively loose and easily manipulated. We could both do the same back and forth. I could talk about the Latino vote in response to the black vote, etc. But what's most important at the end of the day is that Obama is leading in the overall popular vote, the overall delegate count, and in number of states won. That's a hard collection of leads to discount.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:11:12
There has been a lot of bull put abpout by Obama supporters regards Florida and Michigan.

Florida's primary was moved up by the REPUBLICAN governor Charlie Crist not by the state Democratic Party as the Obamamites keep saying.

Michigan was slightly different - the main mover was a Democratic senator and it was supported by the state senate - by both REPUBLICANS and Democrats. The first primary was paid for by the state of Michigan NOT the parties so technically speaking the Democratic Party should be able to finance a re-run there.

Other states moved up primaries or caucuses without penalty including:

* Iowa
* New Hampshire
* Nevada
* South Carolina
* Alaska
* Arizona
* Arkansas
* California
* Colorado
* Connecticut
* Georgia
* Idaho
* Illinois
* Massachusetts
* Minnesota
* Missouri
* New Jersey
* New York
* Oklahoma
* Tennessee
* Utah
* Maryland

In fact it would have been easier to lists states that have NOT moved primaries and caucuses than those who have!!

Why were they allowed to move their elections up without penalty yet Michigan and Florida were not?

I know that some said it was because New Hampshire and Iowa have always been first.

Why was February 5 seen as the cut-off point for movement?

Why was South Carolina or Nevada not treated as Florida and Michigan?

Why should some states be allowed to move and others are not?

Why should some states have more of an influence over the nomination process than other states?

The sad truth is that if Michigan and Florida voters are ignored they will back john McCain come November. Personally, I'd be happy with re-run primaries in both states but NOT caucuses or firehoses that are not representative at all.
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jaqueline,

U S A 07/03/2008 10:19:30
TO post 165

When did a "slice of garden" cost so very, very, very,very much??? And Rezko also put 30% down on Obamas mansion he couldn't afford on his own. Why did he have to live in a mansion in the first place? Why???

Obama is Bush and Cheneys cousin. What are thinking trying to put a 4th generation Bush back into the WH???? Bush I, Bush II, Cheney and Obama. What are you thinking?

And the land deal was fishy and under handed. Obama would be a horrible president. And it is a damning revelation. Wake up before you stick America with another Bush! Wake up!!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:21:48
#166 Don't get me wrong - I don't trust Hillary Clinton either BUT I honestly believe that the Democrats will lose with either candidate come November. Hillary because she will unite the Republicans and Obama because I don't believe he can win the big states that have the large numbers of electoral votes. He may take New York and California but he won't win Ohio, Pennsylvania, Flordida or Texas - and that loses elections.

Moreover, Obama still has to be seriously attacked by the GOP - at least with Clinton we know there are not any skeletons in her cupboard as they are all in the puiblic domain. You just can't know with Obama - and call me cynical but I've yet to meet or see a politician who does not have some dirt that can be raked up.

The only way I can see the Democratic candidate winning is if Obama and Clinton run on a joint ticket (either as VP by the way) - both would bring togther diverse groups of the population with Obama supplying the big picture and Clinton the detail.

The sad thing is that they probably do not have that much fundamentally different in their policies.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 10:24:53
Publius

You don't think the USA having its first woman president in our nations 200 plus years of history is H U G E??

What???
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Allan(handofgod137),

07/03/2008 10:25:21
Truth in politics, shock horror.
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Tim McGraw,

Myrtle Beach, SC USA 07/03/2008 10:25:43
It is so much fun to watch the Democrats imploding. Angry middle aged white women versus angry blacks and goofy kids (rock the bong) and when this is finally over one of these groups will stay home on election day. When the smoke clears, America will elect McCain and capitalism will be the victor
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 10:26:19
The Federalist...

First, your comment on allowing or disallowing an "off the record" before or after the statement is made is patently childish. Rather like a game of Simon Says!

You are either honourable as a reporter or not. Period. No Games. No equivocating.

Second point: you are obviously a Democratic operative.
In #155 you were whining about the states not being "fair".

You must not be an American or know nothing about her political structure -- good or bad!

Each state is a seperate STATE. They make their own laws. The bow to the Federal government to manage the common laws of the union: defense, foreign policy, currency, etc.

Even more absurdly (from the whining point of view), the seperate states within a given party are not beholding to anyone -- not regulated by anything -- but the party operatives within that state.

Nothing "fair" about that? Go join your local Democratic organisation and work out your issues there!

Maybe you should learn a bit more about America before posting to sites pretending to be an American.

As it is, you tend to give the impression that we are ALL Jack-asses!





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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:29:19
On the last post (167), yeah, I'd be fine with primaries being re-run too, if they can find someone to pay for them. What would be wrong is seating the delegates as they currently stand as Clinton is arguing they should be when there was no campaigning in those states, and only Hillary's name on the ballot in Michigan...hardly makes their outcomes accurate.

And going back to your post 161, you had listed "small and conservative" as a seemingly intertwined set of conditions. Vermont and Wisconsin aren't particularly conservative. And the big cities in Texas run counter to your claims as well.

Lastly to post 161, your unmotivated and immediate leap to name calling sure was classy.

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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 10:32:30
#167
The Federalist

You must be a rather young piss-ant. You don't remember who traditionally was first in the primaries?

You're just not very credible as a pontificator, are you?


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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 10:32:39

Senator Clinton will be out next president of the United States. Obama never will be. Hillary has never lost to a republican and she never will.

Hillary knows how the republicans tick, Obama doesn't. He is whiney now. Obama has a glass jaw and that is not presidential.

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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:35:03
#173 I made no comment about the reported comment - are you mistaking me for somebodyelse?

As for pretending to be an American - that too is ludicrous - too many posters here know who I am - I just keep a close watch on the election and in my opinion the system is not fair.

I did say that those were the rules the candidates had to play under - as for saying that it is upto the states to decide - then why did the DNC act as they did over Florida and Michigan?

It seems crazy to me that ceratin states seem to have more rights than other states when it comes to setting primary and caucus dates - that is wrong.

Why should Iowa. New hampshire, nevada and South carolina be allowed to have primaries/caucuses before Fevruary 5 and all other states are barred?

Rules may be rules but it is patently clear to me that some rules are idiotic and not justified.

As someone who would vote democrat in a US election I also mad ethe point that barring Michigan and Florida would damage the Democratic party as a whole - even Obama's organisation privately admits this - they are reported to not being adverse to a re-run in those two states.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:36:19
#175 Sending young boys up chimneys was also tradition in this country but it doesn't make ir right.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:40:34
#174 Apologies for the name-calling - a bad habit from US sites - especially dealing with the extremely blinkered on both sides.
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:43:12
To post 169, there are other considerations. First off, I believe neither will be the other's VP for a host of reasons that would get us off track to go into now.

But more importantly, if the massive Democratic voter turnout in the primaries is any indication, then I'd say Obama has a solid shot at winning big states in the general election.

Next, the GOP can't be much better than the fighting CLintons at digging up dirt, and she's found nothing of substance on Obama yet, and the current claims about Rezko and Canada she's making probably won't have any real staying power. There's no evidence of wrongdoing by Obama on either. Effective short-term tactics maybe, but long term? I don't believe so.

And lastly, no, they aren't very different in their policies at all. That's why I've been focussing so intently on their character, and Clinton has a well-documented, flawed character. It's what largely killed her health care reform plan in the '90's, and it's what drives her to turn nasty every time she starts getting in trouble during thess primary elections.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:43:31
#175 I'm a wee bit older than you are average Obama supporter.

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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:44:40
I need to proof read " you are" should be "your" - changed my line of thought and didn't change the sentence.

My bad.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 10:45:16
P.S.

To: The Federalist

I think in all honour you should discard your mantle of "the federalist". That title was held by

Alexander Hamilton
James Madison
James Jay

Three very honourable men in America's history. It is a gross disservice to them for you to pucker up your chest and strut about under THEIR mantle.

What was it that Robbie Burns has said?

Ye see yon birkie, ca'd a lord,
Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a' that:
For a' that, an' a' that,
His ribband, star, an' a' that:
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that.



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Spamhead,

Bathgate 07/03/2008 10:46:47
What i like about this is good honest debate a lesson learned here for both the Clinton and Obama camps?

As for Ms Power the fact that she calls herdelf Ms tells me all i need to know about her? ok the fact i am making a point about it tell you all you need to know about me? you may well be right but then again maybe not?

Ms Power ****** up more than her camp did in Ohio, when speaking to a Journo she should have known better than to establish rules before hand rather than retract her faux pas? A reporter is like a scorpion play with it long enough you will get stung, she should have kept her gloves on at all times.

Clinton has more chance of beating McCain than Obama and Obama wont be popular with us or any of your other allies as far as i can see? If he gets the gig I dont think he will be the one in control? Obama will be a puppet! opps thats off the record!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:48:42
#181 the assumption is that cross-over Republicans and independents will stay with Obama. I have serious doubts. We have already seen how the fear card loses Obama support - Carl Rove will play the fear card for all its worth and not directly but more subtley they will use race as an issue as well.

In any case it would be stupid for the Republicans to attack too soon - better to wait for the candidate to be nominated then attack.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:49:50
#184 You misunderstand - I am a federalist regards the the UK and Europe.
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tiredofit,

Michigan 07/03/2008 10:51:05
It appears as if Obama's judgment in selecting a foreign policy aid is rather like Bush Jr's judgment when he said Brownie was doing a heck of a job.

Nothing like sound/rational diplomacy.

Lord help us, we can not survive another year of "best judgment".
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:58:41
jaqueline, on posts 168 and 176, are you serious?

In 168, you think the price of the land Obama bought in Chicago cost "so very, very, very,very much". Okay. So what? High real estate prices are reason to doubt a candidate's ability to be president? Really? And where do you find information that says Rezko put up 30% of the cost of the mansion? You need to get your facts straight.

And Obama is not "Bush and Cheney's cousin" as you say. You think Bush and Cheney are related then? Obama is a distant, distant, distant cousin of Cheney....a point that Obama has mentioned to get a laugh from time to time.

And Hillary has never lost to a Republican? Ever? You mean in her two Senatorial elections in New York, a primarily Democratic State, she's managed to power through to victory? It's very hard to take you seriously. I sincerely hope you're not old enough to vote.
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Lock,

07/03/2008 11:00:26
Great photo.

'Heil Clinton!'
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tiredofit,

Michigan 07/03/2008 11:02:51
Is voting in the general election going to be more like a primary or a caucus? Which states gain a candidate more electoral votes? Remember getting the popular vote means nothing in the general election. A candidate needs 270 Electoral Votes to win. Up to now Hillary would have more Electoral Votes than Obama. Which two states going red cost the Dems the White House 2000 and 2004? Ohio is a necessary state to win, was a primary instead of a caucus and Hillary walked away with it. Can the Dems really afford to gamble and make the weaker candidate their nominee?
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ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 11:04:19
Who gives a f**k about the American presidential race. The most inward looking country in the world, unless it suits them to go on and fight based on flimsy excuses.

My only request to the American nation is to vote for somebody better than the current president, shouldn't be too difficult!
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 11:04:20
To post 186, the independants (like me) and crossover Republicans are one thing, but Democratic voter turnout this year has smashed all previous records while Republican voter turnout has been much closer to average. If that trend carries through to the general election, as I suspect it will to a significant degree, then that will make the difference.
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Kipling,

07/03/2008 11:05:15
#9. nickname ;), perhaps you're right. But the guy I knew was regular and certainly not wealthy, nor was he remotely a "terrorist" (unlike the educational institutions in the UK who sabotaged inovative thinking in the late '80s as they quickly revised their contracts to keep in line with government thinking). Clinton's America, at least at the beginning, before perhaps corruption set into that family's way (but Obama isn't exactly squeaky clean,is he?), was a welcome place for a number of UK academics fleeing the economically-encouraged political "glass ceiling" that was installing itself under Thatcher. I think this was more likely under Clinton than under Bush snr.
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Kipling,

07/03/2008 11:07:54
Counting houses, that's the phrase for the UK academic environment.
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Devs,

Sheesh 07/03/2008 11:08:27
I get negative and nasty emails from Obama's campaign on a daily basis that are misinformed. Yeah Obama is above it all. Calling someone a monster crosses the line. Obama is a wimp because he lets his staff say all these things while he tells us he is above Washington politics. Unfortunately, he can't even perform his Senate duties...see Senate Foreign Relations. Then again a man who belongs for 20 years to a racist and anti-semitic church, why are we surprised. But this dude is the exact opposite of what he preaches. Typical of preachers though.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:09:17
The Federalist
#177

So, who the hell are you? Mr. Federalist! Maybe I am the newcomer and don't know this Lordie by sight. Please introduce yourself.

Look at your comments about being fair in #155 to see what I was responding to. You must have a short memory.

Concerning the system:

It's definitely not fair. It's "democratic".

Now to put my tupence in:
I think the caucus system is only there to manipulate the system. It seems to be a favourite of the Democrats for some reason as is the "super delegates", but that's another story.

The other manipulation of deligates in the Democrats' system is this strange apportionment they award deligates by. Particularly in Texas. I don't pretend to understand the manipulation of it but the votes of more DENSELY populated areas seem to count more than un-populous areas even if the areas have the same total population. Supposedly that is why Clinton got less deligates out of Texas than her popular vote would have presumed.

Does that make any sense? It doesn't to me, but the politicos in Texas seem to think it makes sense.

Plus: re-voting in Florida and Michigan just isn't logical. If they can't get their story straight then, $%^* them. It's the problem whithin that state and that's where it ends. It's not the nation's problem.




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Kipling,

07/03/2008 11:12:07
Sorry, should have been installed itself under Thatcher & then continued by her successors, each and every one.
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maxim101,

san jose california usa 07/03/2008 11:12:15
obama you are just now experiencing the clinton smear machine. the same machine that smeared every lady that came out and exposed the former president and his sex escapades.

obama - a word of advice - monica lewinsky - monica lewinsky - monica lewinksy - monica lewinsky

what a legacy the clintons have left for america -
white water
mr fosters mysterious death
lost files
smearing all those ladies
monica lewinsky
unable to release tax returns (to the public)
trashing the white house upon departure

SAD situattion - one can only hope
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 11:16:04
fresian

First of all Edinburgh is beautiful place.

And second do you think Bush, Kennedy, Washington, Lincoln and every other male leader in the world are the same? I don't. Why do you think one woman is like billions of others? Take it from a woman, we are all different just the way you guys are.

And Hillary will be one of the best presidents you guys around the world will ever see. You will be very happy with the drastic change from Bush. Give Hillary a chance to prove to you how great she will be. Give her the same chance you would any other man.
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MtnKat,

07/03/2008 11:16:29
167 The Federalist
I read somewhere that candidates were not the only items on the ballot in Florida. There were iniatives/referendums(?) requiring all parties to go to the polls.
I must admit to being confused at how and why a party can or would want to disenfranchise their electorate.

As for my take on Obama.....too smooth by half. There is also the inconsistences of his wife's background. She was from a privileged upper middle class family, yet is being portrayed as having worked herself up out of the ghetto. She, too, is opening her mouth before her brain has been engaged.

The cracks in the facade are widening as was to be expected.

All in all, great theatre. Thanks, Yanks, you are showing our Wendy up for the second rater she is.

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ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 11:16:57
#199 'smear', nice pun, lol!
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:19:56
# 187
The Federalist.

Well, then we may or may not be on common ground.

First, I believe that Europeans, in general, have absolutely no concept of a Federal Government.

Secondly, I believe the EU's concept of a Federal Government was created from the bottom up insead of from the head down.

And that single fact bodes very ill for Britain and Scotland.

When America built its governement, it had the luxury of many good Scots' minds in the mix. Too bad the EU doesn't have the same luxury!







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Reader11722,

New York, New York 07/03/2008 11:25:38
'Monster' Hillary, empty-suit Obama, war-monger McCain, does it really matter? Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
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Angus Ogg,

07/03/2008 11:32:50
Gerri Peev,

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS WHEN SOMEONE SAYS TO A JOURNALIST THAT:

"THIS IS OFF THE RECORD"

YOU WILL NOT REMAIN A JOURNALIST FOR LONG IF IT GETS OUT YOU ARE TOTALLY UNTRUSTWORTHY. THOUGH HAVING SAID THAT, THE BAR (PROFESSIONAL NOT ALCOHOL) ISNT SET THAT HIGH FOR JOURNALISM.

SHAME ON THE SCOTSMAN FOR LOWERING ITS REPUTATION BY PRINTING "OFF THE RECORD" REMARKS JUST TO TRY AND GET A SMALL SCOOP.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:37:58
#204
Reader 11722

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you skipped your meds this morning, but I dig what you're saying.

"Technological breakthrough allows US government to provide free, unlimited energy to the nation.

"The cost? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Holocaust in America begins…"

The only problem is that Ron Paul hasn't a Chinaman's chance. What do you do then? You need to find a more viable source of fuel.

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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 11:41:12
To many of you Obama people are consumed with President Clinton's sex life? Get one of your own. Over half of all Americans are having affairs. Go hide under their bed for kicks.

And you guys continue to lie about Hillary like it is sport. The republicans lied about the Clinton's the way you Obama people do. And it cost the American tax payers over 60 million dollars!! Over 60 million dollars!! Whitewater alone has been poured over with 60 million of our tax payers money and nothing was found. NOTHING. And their good friend takes his own life and you pieces of work say something like that. You Obama people slander all day and all night long don't you? Enjoying yourself?

Do you want taxpayers to spend another 60 million to pour over Rezko, Sinclair, Michelle O. walmart money, fishy investments and fishy stocks? I don't think so. Keep it up and we will hold fund raisers so we can. Image so many other things we can find. A wonder what else is out there to be uncovered about Obama? What indeed.
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R. Vallee,

Washington D.C. 07/03/2008 11:41:49
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that printing "off the record" comments reprehensible. Gerri Peev is now known to the world as a journalist who can't be trusted. Good luck finding another scoop, you low-life.
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barbe,

San Andreas 07/03/2008 11:44:29
I am an American and actually for McCain. But let me refer you to some facts about Obama.

1: google or search resko and obama

2: goggle or search farrakhan and obama

3: and this is the most important. google or search
nadhmi auchi and then nadhmi auchi obama. This man has links to Saddam Hussein.

Maybe he only has them as friends and he does not believe in what they do but I don't think so. If it was just one then maybe but he is getting support from the criminals above. Believe it or not the stability of the world relies on the stability of the USA. If we put this man in power then WWIII might follow close behind. Terrorists will have free reign of the middle east and that effects Europe.
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downward slope of history,

PA 07/03/2008 11:49:30
BUSH > CLINTON > CLINTON > BUSH > BUSH > clinton?

that is truly sad for this republic.

you know in your heart it's true.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:55:12
#207
Jaqueline

First of all, it would help in reading and understanding your missives if they were well punctuated.

Then of all, the only lying that took place with Clinton was before a Grand Jury. That's what got him in trouble. Don't try to make anything of it other than that.

No, I don't expect Americans to pour another penny into this Obama intrigue. I expect us to march him off and never hear from him again.

Do you use your nose to smell fish or don't you?

Next ambitious campaigner, please.



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oh, really,

USA 07/03/2008 11:55:13
The reporter is clearly biased. What matters is what we think, kind journalist. Just keep your opinions to yourself and report the news. By the way, that the politician claims its opposition is monstrous is not news. It's par for course in United States politics. If you'd done your research, you'd know you 'ain't seen nuttin' yet'!
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 12:05:42
Monster huh? Well you have "officially" gone not only negative Obama camp but off your rocker as well.

Almost forget, you went negative after your huge loss in NH. Pulling that race card out of the deck that turned almost all blacks your way. How very,very dirty and negative of you. SHAME ON YOU OBAMA.


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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 12:07:57
#212

"oh, really"

Well, I agree she is biased. Just look at this quote:

"Ms Power was in the UK to promote her book on Sergio Vieira de Mello, the extraordinary UN representative who died in a Baghdad bomb attack."

The "extraordinary" UN Rep. If that isn't editorialising within an article, then what is?

Is there no objective reporting any more? Either side of the Atlantic?






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oh, really,

USA 07/03/2008 12:08:26
Hi, Fife:

Ever heard of the Magna Carta? Can you say mother country? Ever study ancient Rome? Do you know that history didn't begin with the establishment of the colonists? Do you know that Canada peacefully gained its independence from the "mother country" around 80 years after the U.S. took it forcefully through brutal and unnecessary bloodshed? You're a puppet.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 12:20:13
#197 Agree with much of what you say until the last section. If it is the states' problem then why did the DNC interfere in the first place?

That is the crux of the issue - I know theer is a historic reason for Iowa and New Hampshire goijg so early BUT it should really be up to the states to decide. In any case if it is such a tradition then why let Nevada and South carolina move up without penalty?

I am no great believer in traditions for the sake of tradition - it has to be justifiable. In my opinion Iowa and New Hampshire have always had far more of a say in the democratic process than they actually merit.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 12:21:14
He lied about an affair. I am sure you would do the same.

And I am a professional writer Obama lover. I use proper grammar all day. I am not getting paid to check my grammar here. And your grammar has allot to be desired so....

And everything I have written is the truth about Obama. People like you can't handle the truth. So sad for you.

And pack your bags. I am sure when Hillary is president you will want to leave the country. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 12:25:02
From the British point of view the American system is very interesting - but why do the Democrats make things so confusing. Why don't they either have a Primary or a cacaus for all of the states instead of this mish mash that they seem to have. It may also be useful for them to remember that in November there are no caucuses!
There would also appear to be a somewhat arrogant slant to the Democrats at the moment - they assume that either Clinton or Obama will walk it against the Republicans, purely based on the current encumbant of the post. The Republicans already know who thier candidate is and are doubtless preparing already. With the current state of the Democratic race we won't know who the candidate is form some time.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 12:31:35
"203 TheFife,Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:19:56

# 187 The Federalist.

Well, then we may or may not be on common ground.

First, I believe that Europeans, in general, have absolutely no concept of a Federal Government."

Not true - the Spanish and Germans seem to cope ratrher well with it - the assymetric Spanish system in particular has decentralised what was once the most centralsied sttae in Europe.

"Secondly, I believe the EU's concept of a Federal Government was created from the bottom up insead of from the head down."

The EU is often described as heading towards a federal structure - I'd disagree - if anything it is a confederal structure. As for it being done from the bottom up instead of the head down - I don't quite see how this could be? If anything the decision-making is entirely from the head down - the EU is far too centralised.
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Mensa George,

Washington, DC 07/03/2008 12:34:27
That the first comment remains when so many others have been removed would indicate that a comment being moronic is not deemed sufficient reason for its removal.
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jaqueline,

07/03/2008 12:36:41
YESTERDAY ON CNN (USA) QUICK VOTE:

Should Florida and Michigan Democrats have their delegates counted? 62%

Have new primaries or caucuses 16%

Not be counted at all 21%

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. COUNT THE VOTES DEAN.




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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 12:40:35
#221 Agree with much that you say.

If this contest goes to the convention you can bet your bottom dollar that the DNC will review the whole procedure for the next election.

My own view is that they should have a system that mirrors how the Presidential election happens.

No superdelegates.

Voting on one day.

Voting by primary not caucus.

Registration as for the Presidential election.

States allocated the same elctoral votes as the Presidential electoral college.

Winner-takes all for each state.

Finally, I'd have only registered democrats voting for the Democratic candidate - it is a nonsense that non-Democrats decide the Democratic nominee. They would still have a say - but in the actual election and not the nomination process.

I doubt the DNC would do anything as radical - the first step may be to adopt a winner-takes-all for each state so that a winner is found far earlier.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 12:41:07
fresian

I would compare Bush to a chimp but their smarter.
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portsmouth,

Portsmouth Rhode Island 07/03/2008 12:41:32
Barack is running on a platform of uniting the country, yet he is a strong supporter (over 20 years) of Jeremiah Wright and his church www.tucc.org His church is racist and divisive and this has nothing to do with "uniting". BTW- why has it never occured to you sexist people that the term "shrill" is extremely offensive and directed entirely at women?
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 12:45:29
This rookie aide should have been smart enough to know better than to say such a thing. Just goes to show how totally NOT ready Barack is to be president. How many mistakes must his people make? Either he isn't who he says he is, or AT BEST he can't contol his own staff. Neither looks good.
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Nimbleworth,

Bern,Switzerland 07/03/2008 12:50:45
BO raised 55 MILLION USD in FEBRUARY ! For What? Did he feed the poor with this money? Noooo! He bought Political favours. So did Hillary. Between the two of them they spent about 80 or 90 MILLION USD just to get elected! A poor man cannot even get 90 cents to eat; because,as the banks say,you do not give money to people who need it!
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 12:53:36
225 - maybe it's because I'm british but none of your suggestions sound anywhere near radical to me - they all sound pretty much like common sense - surely these 'primaries' should mirror the real thing.
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nolimits,

Beautifull BC 07/03/2008 12:56:04
Well, well,well. I haven't had such a great early morning read in a long time. Seems to me that the Republicans have successfully inserted an agent in the Democrat camp to sow discord, and, by the way, done a damned fine job of it! Its a thing of continuous wonder to me, that folks can get downright hissy over such a minor thing. Folks, no one is perfect,especially politicians. IF, and when, the political/industrial/military complex of the USA is disassembled, will the citizens of the USA truly have something to vote for. Ike saw the writing on the wall, and warned the American people. Did they listen? You tell me.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:08:05
Why is it that any criticism at all of Barack is "racism" but it is perfectly okay to call Hillary "shrill" and a "bitch" and to make other such ugly and ignorant sexist comments? I am glad that you don't live in the US - Edinburgh!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:08:45
#231 Oh I'm British as well!!

But it would be radical for Americans - no long system of primaries and caucuses to spend (waste) millions of dollars on.

Advertising execs would go nuts!!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:08:55
Why is it that any criticism at all of Barack is "racism" but it is perfectly okay to call Hillary "shrill" and a "bitch" and to make other such ugly and ignorant sexist comments? I am glad that you don't live in the US - Edinburgh!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:08:56
#231 Oh I'm British as well!!

But it would be radical for Americans - no long system of primaries and caucuses to spend (waste) millions of dollars on.

Advertising execs would go nuts!!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:08:57
Why is it that any criticism at all of Barack is "racism" but it is perfectly okay to call Hillary "shrill" and a "bitch" and to make other such ugly and ignorant sexist comments? I am glad that you don't live in the US - Edinburgh!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:08:57
#231 Oh I'm British as well!!

But it would be radical for Americans - no long system of primaries and caucuses to spend (waste) millions of dollars on.

Advertising execs would go nuts!!!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:10:31
What's with the multiple posts for myself and portsmouth?
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:13:41
The US doesn't elect by popular vote for a reason- to protect us from the uninformed decisions of the average american- to protect us from voting in a president for all the wrong reasons. We give the super delegates a percentage of the vote to ensure that people that are experienced and knowledgeable people high in the democratic party can take into consideration the will of the people, and then weigh for themselves based on their OWN decsions who will be the most electable democrat,and the one most qualified to take the post of president. Most Americans don't even realise that they don't live in a democracy, but a republic. Thank God for this system though, because the American public votes on emotion- not reasoned thought. If not for the superdelegates who will surely choose Hillary, we could end up with a "Nike ad" for a president (Barack).
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:13:51
RE: 227
Yes, TUCC in Chicago is attended by predominantly African Americans. For goodness sake, Chicago has a very large African American population so it follows that you're going to see that reflected in other places! To say it is divisive and racist, however, is untrue. I know, I belong to a wonderful UCC church in one of the suburbs (and we are as Caucasian as TUCC is African American, because that's our demographic make up; are we thus racist? NO.). Our youth and confirmation classes travel to TUCC every year to join them in worship, and they are welcomed and embraced by this faith community. For the REAL story on what the UCC stands for (unity included!), check out the United Church of Christ's website: www.ucc.org
I'm tired of all the lies being circulated about the UCC -- I don't care who you're voting for, but attacking a church because the candidate belongs is disgusting. Have some facts before posting, people.
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Fanortney,

Indiana 07/03/2008 13:15:51
When Hillary talks about her experience as fist lady, one shoud remember what her response was at 3:00 am.

"It's for you Bill. Would you like some coffee?"

How does that constitute experience?
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:19:56
#241 But it's OK to have a popular vote for the POTUS?
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:20:49
#243 That is a total lie.

Bill wouldn't be in bed with Hillary at 3 am . . . .
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:21:53
Do a little reading. This particular tucc church that Barack has been a member of for 20 years is run by Jeremiah Wright- Barack's self proclaimed "mentor" (and the originator of the phrase The Audacity of Hope by the way). Jeremiah Wright GAVE AN AWARD to Farrakhan about a year ago! they have close connections, Jeremiah Wright writes papers about how white america deserved 911! If you are running for president on a campaign of uniting the country you should not be touting someone like this as your mentor. Jeremiah Wright wed Michelle and Barack, and baptised their children. Michelle has done church projects that involve Farrakhans group! The statement of purpose of the church says WE SuPPORT AFRICA first and foremost! Michelle wrote a paper in college about "I identify myself as black first" Michelle has never been proud of the country that allowed her to attend Harvard?? Jeremiah Wright teaches racist hate. It is a fact. I am sure that not every church of christ is this way, BUT BARACK HAS CLOSELY ALIGNED HIMSELF WITH A MAN THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SO!
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:25:07
RE: 241
"Nike ad" ???
You might want to rethink your comments before posting.

"If not for the superdelegates who will surely choose Hillary..."
Well, we'll have to wait and see. The superdelegates have never voted against the popular vote. Check your history. They are all elected officials (governors, senators, reps, etc.) -- do you really believe they will vote AGAINST the popular vote? They're going for whoever has the most votes in June in Denver.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:27:58
The US has a ridiculous system for electing their candidates which mean that they are bound to receive a politically correct demagogue who has sold their soul to big business and has nothing new to say.

These primaries do nothing but give your opponents huge sticks to beat you up with. The Republicans won't need to produce a campaign they'll get everything they need from this cat fight.

Clinton and Obama will need to unite their campaigns at some point, they should do it sooner rather than later or neither will win.

Clinton seems to think her experience as a first lady qualifies her to be President which is absurd. The fact is neither her or Obama have any experience of the top job (few do!) but both are entirely capable of doing a far better job than the current encumbent who has been an unmitigated disaster.

A concentration on the principle of human rights and actual democracy rather than gun boat diplomacy by the new administration would be welcome but I'm not holding my breath.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:28:11
Yes they can vote against the popular vote, and they will if they think it is in the best interest of the country. That is their job. The fact that Hillary carried all the large states necessary to win the presidential election could sway their decision. I am not trying to be difficult- this is the truth. They even had a basic "tutorial" on CNN about it last night because most americans don't understand this is how it works. If it was based on popular vote there would be no need for the super delagates would there?
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:34:45
RE: 246
Yes, Africa is one of the TUCC's mission projects.
Wright and Obama both say that they disagree very often.
Obama has outrightly criticized Farrakhan.
You seem to believe that "guilt by association" is the rule. I don't agree with our head pastor on everything, although I consider him a great mentor.
Look at the PERSON running, not the groups or organizations and then make such generalizations.
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dadbob,

Dunkirk 07/03/2008 13:38:12
well, i hope the buzz that the Scotsman generated was worth it because you're going to likely have to struggle to get other people to talk to you as a result of releasing an off the record comment. i understand your 'rule' that off the record needs to be established in advance. but you got some real candor here, and i suspect others just might hesitate to open up to your reporters.
and what did you gain by it? a few moments of notoriety?
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:38:46
#242 The Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. is often confused with the more conservative, Church of Christ. They are not the same thing.

"The Black Value System" which is advocated by Trinity is not Afrocentric but African-centric for many Americans. if it were a white church calling for a "White Values System" we would, quite rightly, condemn it for what it is - a racist organsiation.

The TUCC pastor Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was at the church when these statements were made on 22 July 2007.

Wright's interpretation of the Scriptures has been described as "Afrocentric."

When referring to the Romans, for example, he refers to "European oppression" — not addressing the fact that the Egyptians, who also had a slave society, were Africans too.

Other comments by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

In 1982, the TUCC launched Trumpet Newsmagazine with Wright’s daughters acting as publisher and executive editor. Each year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr Jeremiah A Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said “truly epitomized greatness.” That man was Louis Farrakhan.

And that is just the tip of the ice-berg.

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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:39:39
Daughter of Scotland, I would agree with you if we were talking about a friend or relative, but when you are running for president it is critical who you proclaim as a mentor, and who you associate yourself with. 1. Either he is lying and DOES agree with Jeremiah Wright's position- which I am not sure I believe, but my gosh he has a lot of respect for the racist individual, or 2. this is a seriously rookie political mistake that just shows he needs to be seasoned by some more years in politics. You should not run on an entire platform of uniting the country while you carry on about your wonderful "mentor" who is an extremely divisive political figure that spreads hate and racism.
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:41:20
RE: 250
There is no need for the super delegates. Period. It is as antiquated a system as the Electoral College.

Go back and read the facts (in ANY article): the ELECTED OFFICIALS who make up the superdelegates have NEVER voted against popular vote. And they won't -- they want to hold on to their jobs and go with whom the popular vote deems "the winner." We don't know who that will be yet. Big states vs. more states? I don't see that being an argument. They will go with whomever has the most votes.
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:43:08
#250 You can tell a person by the company they keep.

By your argument if my best chums just happened to be Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin and Pol Pot it would not matter.

That is nonsense and you know it.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 13:44:27
And I Have Another 8 Months of this to look forward to!!!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:45:08
RE 254
SIGH.... your indignation is getting in the way of the facts. I think that you do care about the facts, but you really should do more reading.
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earthtreelover,

Michigan, U.S.A. 07/03/2008 13:49:22
Shame on you for printing something that was meant to be "off the record". I think you owe both Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton an apology!
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:50:30
252
TUCC and my church do both belong to the United Church of Christ, not the Church of Christ (yes, indeed, they are different denominations). Each UCC church has its own identity within the greater denomination, and thus its own missions fitting in with the UCC's mission. My church and the TUCC are different, but both are working with the greater church's ideals of justice for all. Again, I direct you to www.ucc.org to see how we all fit in.
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:55:45
257
Still waiting for you to point out something that shows superdelegates have ever gone against the popular vote...I can't find anything. I'd hardly call pointing out facts as being "indignation."
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:56:16
RE 260
No one is arguing about you and your church. The point is that Barack's church IS the www.tucc.org. His church has an agenda that includes giving awards to Farrakhan, writing papers against "white america" etc. This IS BARAK's CHURCH AND MENTOR. It is just plain fact.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 13:56:51
241 & 247 I'm really confused now - what IS the point of these Superdelegates if they only ever vote with the popular vote?
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Xenophile American,

Atlanta 07/03/2008 13:57:12
If indeed her background is in journalism, then she should know better. That being said; I fear that this will mean that americans tied to politics will no longer take interviews from The Scotsman and more over the totality of the foreign press. By being reckless in The Scotsman attributing these off the record comments to her, right or wrong, we all lose.

One could have easily, made that an unknown source quote, interviewed someone else from the Obama campaign and made this report on sentiment inside the Obama campaign.

I recognize that people outside the US (and I agree) have seen what Bush and as an extension the US have done to the world and global security. I also recognize that the whole world wants a say b/c what happens in the US effects everyone. But please be responsible and realize the consequences in your actions. By injecting oneself into a primary and not the general election (in this case benefiting Clinton), the unintended consequences may be that you wake up with another Republican president. If that happens you truly will see the distinctions and what you feared about American foreign policy will continue. Thus we will all lose.

Yes, all politicians are suspect. But make no mistake. There are differences, and if you fail to see distinctions, you contribute to getting the worst.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:59:05
the super delegates system was only put into effect in 1980. As far as I know they have never voted against the popular vote. That doesn't mean they won't, or that they can't. The system was put into effect expressly to create the chance to go against the popular vote if it seemed like the popular vote was a seriously bad idea. Anyway, what IS the popular vote? does it include Florida and Michigan? It is so close that who really knows the will of the people?
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:03:45
263 The Superdelegates are the ones you can wine and Dine in order to change their Vote!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:04:45
RE 266
Absolutely. Hey, I am not defending the system, it certainly isn't perfect.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:05:38
Just a few of the Flag Officers Endorsing Hillary Clinton for President and Commander-in-Chief:

General Wesley Clark

General John M. Shalikashvili

General Johnnie E. Wilson

Admiral William Owens

Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard

Lt. Gen. Robert Gard

Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy

Lt. Gen. Donald L. Kerrick

Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath

Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak

Major General Roger R. Blunt

Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.

Major General Edward L. Correa, Jr.

Major General Paul D. Eaton

Major General Paul D. Monroe, Jr.

Major General Antonio M. Taguba

Rear Admiral Connie Mariano

Rear Admiral Alan M. Steinman

Rear Admiral David Stone

Brigadier General Michael Dunn

Brigadier General Belisario Flores

Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote

Brigadier General Keith H. Kerr

Brigadier General Virgil A. Richard

Brigadier General Preston Taylor

Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.

Brigadier General Jack Yeager

Experience that will keep America safe.

VOTE HILLARY 08
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Doug From Oklahoma,

Oklahoma 07/03/2008 14:05:44
As the candidates through hyperbole arround, the economy in the USA is imploading. American's need to by American Made Products and Most Favoured Nation Trading Status needs to be removed from China.

http://www.freedomsringmall.com/freedomsring_092.htm
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:10:53
IN TEXAS EXIT POLLS:

Over 65 years old:

67% Hillary

30 % Obama


Worried about own financial situation ( TEXAS)

56% Hillary

43% Obama


Decided in last 3 days: ( TEXAS)

61% Hillary

38% Obama


Who has a clear plan to deliver (TEXAS)

66% Hillary

53% Obama

YOU DID GREAT HILLARY! THANK YOU TEXANS!
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 14:14:02
RE: 263
That's what we all wonder, too ...
This is a fairly succinct explanation
(from a report by David Welna, NPR, 2/11/08):

The magic number of delegates needed to clinch the presidential nomination is 2,025. But neither candidate has gotten anywhere near that number in state voting. If that continues, it could eventually fall to so-called superdelegates to decide the Democratic race.

The 796 superdelegates make up nearly 20 percent of the overall Democratic delegation this year. They are members of Congress, governors, party elders and activists. Party officials created superdelegates in the early 1980s so situations such as a deadlocked convention could be resolved by party insiders, said nominations expert Henry Brady of the University of California at Berkeley.

"There was a concern that somehow there wasn't enough adult supervision actually by the rest of the party, and so one way to get more of the party politicos and pros into the process was to create these superdelegates," Brady said.

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ie, one more way to get more confusion into the process! And DonetoDeath is right in that a lot of $ and time is spent wooing these superdelegates.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:19:31
you are absolutely right. We have a flawed system, and alot of corruption in politics.But we would no matter what system we tried to adopt. We have an enormous country practically owned by big business. One of the things that concerns me is Barack's inability to negotiate well in this world. He makes many naive mistakes. Do I think anyone who makes it to a presidential race doesn't have dirt on their hands? no! of course they do. but who will play the game best and get the results the american people need?
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motherload,

montana mountain 07/03/2008 14:19:56
...and the monster looked out of its cave with glee...
'...look! all the people have assembled for me.. I must run find my finest dress...' back into hiding she did turn, while above the cave the sun did burn... the forehead of a half black man holding out to all his assembled plan! The sky grew dark, with furious force, thru the parted clouds a soldier on a white horse. He held a sword aloft to slay the half-black man and monster hidden away. When to the wonder of all the crowd, a beautiful woman in her best appeared. The lightning struck the man and horse, which fell atop the cave of course. Then rolling ore the very lip, they tumbled down on the best dressed pip'. As all went rolling into the cave, the crowd followed quick inside to save...a hero, leader, someone to crown... alas they all went down and down. The foolish crowd was swallowed whole, so goes the moral don't you know...THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AWAITS THOSE THAT ESCAPE THE PURRLY GATES...
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:22:36
Are the "purrly gates" where the kitty cats live? That was a strange little interlude...
motherload you need to move somewhere where there are more people for you to talk to! (smile)
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:30:25
No, I think Motherload got it right!
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msophia,

Glendale 07/03/2008 14:31:59
I must say, I do believe this post has covered about every recent negative thing to come from the Obama camp. Sad isn't it that another country is printing such libel on one of our world leaders? The screaming "She's so negative!!" commenced with Senator Clinton's "red phone ad". She was accused of "fear-mongering". Hours later Mr. Obama used portions of HER ad, voiced & texted over it & voila! it was no more fear mongering. I don't personally know anyone, I mean this, that felt anything but that we would be safe with her in the Whitehouse.
But, lets do talk about fear mongering. And the cost of it. While this rubbish is getting in print here & Ms. Power, you are a dreadful woman of low breeding to be calling our former First Lady & current Senator a monster. To have heard the Obama camp constantly, for weeks now accusing the Clinton camp of fear mongering is a joke.
I would respectfully ask, if we live in a safe world, if Senator Clinton may not say we need to be ready for anything to happen, then WHY does Mr. Obama have a huge secret service guard & even now is using snipers posted on nearby roofs for his safety? Personally, as a taxpayer, picking up his tab, I'm pretty annoyed about this. You can't have it both ways.
Is it safe or not? If it isn't, then why can only the Obama camp & the "expert advisors he employs" be the only ones allowed to say so. Frankly, I am dismayed at what I see here. I'm only sorry for the terrible impression it makes of all Americans to have such filth said about someone that is adored by millions here at home. For as many who vote for Obama, you will find very little difference in the numbers of voters that Senator Clinton gets.I hope the Scots will have an equal opportunity to see the beauty of Hillary Clinton that so many of us see.
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Lynn Ellingw,

Rochester, NY 07/03/2008 14:35:24
Well, Hillary is not a monster. I am a New York resident and she has been a terrific senator for us. I really appreciate her leadership in important matters. Her concern is policy, not modeling for Vogue.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:36:23
Well said msophia! When will sexism be considered as heinous as racism?? I am constantly amazed at the strength and resiliency Hillary Clinton shows.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:38:01
Obama being the most liberal senator in the senate and someone who votes for partial birth abortions will never be president.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:39:11
when he bothers to vote at all...
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AnF,

New York, New York 07/03/2008 14:39:45
It is not news that Hillary Clinton is disliked by many for an endless list of valid reasons. She and her husband are incredibly low and deceptive, as are some of their chief campaign advisers. Certainly Ms. Power would have preferred not to be on record, but it really is of little importance that she is. Millions of people find that Hillary is indeed a monster; this is nothing new or shocking by any accounts, especially in the context of Clinton's own actions.
Those of us who support Obama look forward to his White House; he will be the first truly global president and the first bridge to the 21st century. Hillary will remain a senator trapped in her stale and typical broken way of approaching politics.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:42:58
If a second term senator thinks that he can take on the entire political system and big business with a motley team of blundering aides and advisors I would hate to see the outcome for the country. He will get eaten alive. You don't have to take Hillary for a best friend, you aren't electing someone for sainthood, but you cannot deny that this woman is tough, gets results, and supports everything that we as democrats hold dear.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:43:29
VOTE OBAMA / BUSH / CHENEY 08

ONE DISASTER AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER.

I AM OBAMA AND I APPROVE THIS DYNASTY.
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AnF,

Manhattan, New York 07/03/2008 14:43:46
I am a female New Yorker...Why is it that so many women think that disliking Hillary is sexist?? It's not!! She is disliked for the way she is despite her gender!! Stop playing the victim...and playing this card! Haven't more women moved beyond this dated idea of feminism!!! Come on!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 14:44:38
#276 If you oput youyrself up for candidacy then expect to have your life gone over with a tooth comb and aexpect to be attacked for it.

The problem though that I have with Obama is that he portrays himself as the candidate for change when he is naything but the candidate for change.

He is beholden to old-style politics as Clinton, McCain and other politicians.

The only way he can convince me otherwise is if he explicitly states what change he is going to make. How is he going to be different from the old-style politicians?

From what I can see he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:45:55
This all looks more like an episode of survior!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:46:22
I don't think people always dislike Hillary because they are sexist. But why are constant comments like "shrill" and "bitch" and "only credentials are sleeping with the president" ignored, while the slightest criticism of Barack is racism? Let's count them BOTH as ignorant and inappropriate types of comments!
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AnF,

Manhattan, New York 07/03/2008 14:46:51
Women who blame sexism are feeding the very stereotype they think they are defending....GET OVER IT!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:47:52
Minorities stand together, but women are there own worst enemies.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 07/03/2008 14:49:24
while i dont like clinton you know whats coming next eh she is going to be branded a racist
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AnF,

Manhattan, New York 07/03/2008 14:49:25
#289 - And such generalities are ridiculous too...
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robfm,

chicago Il. 07/03/2008 14:50:40
It all comes down to this. I am 51 years old I've seen many presidents. Most of them bad!!!! Bush, Obviously the worst! But he is not incompetent. His agenda happens to be different than the rest of ours. Barack Obama is the first candidate I have seen that IS genuine ( Since Robert Kennedy). Hillary and McCaine will only bring more of the same. They are IN BED with the same people. Thats why Hillary supports McCain over Obama. ( The Elitists join together in Bad Harmony) America desperately needs this shift. The only HOPE is in Obama.
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nmeabe,

weymouth mass. usa 07/03/2008 14:52:33
Wow,,a monster is quite a lable to put on Clinton,,lets not forget that she helped run the white house for (8) years,Bill was called the first (white) black president of the U.S.A. he did a pretty dam good job as commander and chief for us over here,,when someone insults a person like Clinton by calling them a monster off the record its just wrong,,you dont hear anyone in clintons camp questioning obama about his use of (drugs) while in collage..or his wifes comment that she has made reguarding her statements about being proud to be an Americian for the first time in her adult life..there is something that all Americans need to find out about Obama..my opinion is he has a clouded past and its probley going to come to light in the near furture,,also lets not forget about his dealings with a INDITIED former friend in Chicago..when the truth comes out about his home purchase, people will see he probley forgot to tell us some facts about this trans-action, also he has NO clue about the how to deal with all the problems facing the world,,,talk is cheap,,and we as a nation have been hearing alot of it latley......my point being PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES..it's a pleasure to post here and i hope everyone has a nice day....M
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:52:43
portsmouth,

I totally agree. Obama was in the senate around two years before he jumped ship and started running for president. He has zero experience to handle everything a US president will face. People need to wake up before Bush and Cheneys cousin is sitting in the WH.


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democrat chris,

texas, usa 07/03/2008 14:53:00
To quote Tina Fey " Bitch is the new Black " Women get the job done.Grow up Obama, and quit using the Arkansas Projct as your playbook. Axelrod is the new Starr. Call Chicago, Obama and have a chat. What are you afraid of?
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:53:33
RE 292
Please go to www.tucc.org Obama's church for 22 years. Then go google Jeremiah Wright- Obama's self proclaimed mentor and close friend- the man who runs this church and see the things he has written, and the connections he has to Farrakhan. Then you tell me this "uniting the country" platform is genuine.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:57:14
Can we have a Do-over and get a canidate that really is worth voting for!!!!!!!!
Or do they know better than to run for office????
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 07/03/2008 14:58:25
I hope that Obama has been found out at last. They have been guilty of dirty politics just as much as the other candidates, its just the media do not want to rubbish 'their guy' and elect another democratic loser. Unfortunately, you can bet that the stuff HC has been thrown at him in the recent campaign will pale into insignificance beside what the republicans can chuck at him. I still think, if they vote OB, you get McCain. At least with HC, its all out there and boring, when compared to the record of her detaractors.

HC has had a hard time from day one in this campaign, it should be remembered that under BC the USA was a much richer and less politically and ethically morally bankrupt place that it is now (even if he was a bit).
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:59:33
Yes, good honest people can't make it in politics- it is a world totally run by big business in this country. Voting for someone because you think they are nice or that they are different is a farce. Vote for who will fight for you, who will get the job done, and who holds your values. hmmmm...sounds like Hillary to me!
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 15:08:42
This bob sled run has gotten faster since Dick took office the only flat spot was when Ronny sat in.
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Silence of the Yams,

07/03/2008 15:10:58
Hillary is a fine woman. These comments are despicable.
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weary observer,

USA Wisconsin - where the Northern icecaps have m 07/03/2008 15:12:35
Correct observation, "DonetoDeath," I think they do know better than to run for office. Ever taken a really close look at the ones who do?

We won't get a real candidate - we are offered up either a very bad candidate one or one that is much worse! Taking a closer look at Obama, even Hillary starts to look not so bad :(

Obama scares me even MORE than she does - I think he is a very dangerous man.

Electronic voting machines bother me, too.

Of course the Congress has control over which laws actually get passed.....yeah...right. Whoops, almost forgot all the power brokers and lobbyists. Silly me!
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tigerlily,

lynchburg, virginia-edinburgh, scotland 07/03/2008 15:15:28
The Clintons, Billary as they are fondly known in the states, of which Hillary is only the tip of an iceberg.. have become cogs in the well-oiled political machine which has become a MONSTER in America.. feeding off the fear of the working class and fueled by the entrenched bi-partisan political majority rule; the power hungry rich and well-connected..
While not taking away from the positive contributions of BILL's presidency (in the now distant past in political time) HILLARY is becoming a product of her own political greed and will kill the possibility for much needed reform in the political system and a different type of presidential leadership with her avarice...
Ms Powers was spot on and I commend her astuteness if not discretion.. (still not sure about the ethics of the Scotsman for printing what could be considered a breach of trust)...
Having a first row seat to this political theatre has been interesting... It has been scary to see what being is behind the personal mask of Hillary Clinton when her self-referential political sovereignty is threatened..
You will not see much coverage of this in the states because a press that is supposedly "soft" on Clinton would not ever allow such plain spoken truth to provoke people to consider her character, integrity, real motivations or perhaps expose the true self behind her mask... how do you truly get close enough to vett an iconic political family? Forget slick Bill, its slicker Hill's march to capitol hill now.. scorching the earth as she goes....
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 15:17:46
Yes the only real power a President has in Domestic policy and Law is the Veto!!!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 07/03/2008 15:22:45
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ValdasTheMan,
Edinburgh

-----------------------------------------

Dude ur comment about my country "as inward looking" is a painfully ignorant comment by u.

The USA is the melting pot of world and its peoples.

When u attack the US u are attacking yourself. Or Ur ancestors who came here.

As for our election process. Its all about money and the power that goes with it. The US is a pseudo democracy within a Republic.

I still believe its the best of a bad lot of alternative systems.

And Barack Hussein Obama is a "Smoke and Mirror" dude.
Listen to his tribal rhetoric in his speeches. HOPE, CHANGE, YES WE CAN, etc.

Talk is cheap money buys houses and so goes Barack Hussein OBama.

John McCain is a warmonger and an old F*rt.

Hillary is intelligent and a brilliant politician, who can hold her own with the best in the political world of crooks.

Dude chill out and relax.
GC
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iowahawk,

07/03/2008 15:23:14
The residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is the people's house. It was bought and paid for the the blood, sweat, and tears of our forefathers. The last time the Clintons lived there, they turned it in to nothing more than a bed and breakfast for their cronies and "wild Bill" turned the oval office in to his own personal brothel while Hillary pretended not to know anything about it. Ask yourselves people. Do you really want the Clintons back there again. When they left the last time, they tried to steal the china for crying out loud. Wake up and do the right thing people, before its too late.
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wisdom101,

Dallas, TX 07/03/2008 15:30:01
Samantha Powers is a very intelligent woman; therefore, I do not believe that she would inadvertently say something she did not want published. Let's look at a similar situation with Senator Clinton. When she was asked if she believed Senator Obama was a muslim, she commented, "not as far as I know." In otherwords she wanted to keep the image of a scary person in people's head. Samantha Powers did the same thing -- she wanted to create an scary image in people's minds as well. If one looks at both campaigns and the tactics they use, one will see that each camp uses the same tactics. Not one is of better ethics or morals than the other. This is the game of politics. It is nothing new. It is the practice of old politics. Yes, Senator Obama is a practicer of the old Washington ways despite what he says to the contrary. Another observation I find interesting is Senator Obama touts himself as a person looking towards the future when most of his replies to issues center around the past. Case in point: his comment that he was against the war from the start. Well, that is in the past (and he wasn't in Congress when that issue was debated). What is his future stance for the war? In reality, wouldn't a republican be the better choice to end the war? Since it was a republican who started the war, shouldn't it be another republican who tries to clean up the mess. Let's think about this. What do you think the history books will print 20 years from now? If a democrat tries to end the war and an even bigger problem arises as a result, then history will frown upon the democratic mishandling of the war. On the other hand, if a republican fumbles the war clean up then the dirt will be on their hands. The same is true on the other side of the coin. Why should the democrats get credit for ending the war and becoming historical war heroes when they were against the war from the beginning? I immediately think of a Dr. Seuss story, "Horton Hatches the Egg." Horton sat on the egg through a
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 15:31:05
okay so lets recap what is important: universal health care or the china in the white house? the economy and the plight of the middle class or who Bill Clinton chooses to have sex with?
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zigzag,

Canada 07/03/2008 15:33:33
So if Hillary gets in and Bill joins her in the White House, you will you have a HILLBILLY to serve and protect.
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zigzag,

07/03/2008 15:33:51
Heehawww
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surfergirl08,

coastal california 07/03/2008 15:39:09
this morning on our cloudless blue coast this story still has legs. clinton, the monster, gets apology.

hillary smokes 'how dare they call me a mean name, that sort-of-moslem, did-you-know he's-black, father a foreigner, takes economic benefits from shady developer, obama?'

the press just parrots wolfie with her inner whinings.

ask vince foster if she's a monster
ask the white house travel office people she fired en masse if she's a monster
ask those left at the door of the secret health care meetings if she's a monster
ask the african american population of south carolina where we saw the first outlines of how her 'experience' campaign would race bait if she is a monster.
ask the women hillbillbill groped, abused, et al and that she personally had 'silenced' if she is a monster
ask the 50+% that NEVER voted for her husband in EITHER election if she is a monster.
I'll take my board in the water with man-eating sharks this morning and feel better about who is around me than if this monster is president.

hillary knows that you plant that level of name-throwing based on lower level operatives throwing it out. obama can learn a lot from her plausible deniability experience, but I hope he never becomes a monster.

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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 15:40:31
America isnt that bad a place. Having visited the place on many occassions I can say that its ok. Obviously Europe offers more, its been around for thousands of years by comparison to America, but nevertheless, I find America to be quite modern in many ways, and so drastically far behind in others. But one thing is for sure, America is suffering from a serious attitude problem. People around the world think of Americans as naive, unintelligent fools. You need only listen to George Bush to draw that conclusion, never mind the many million who dont know Europe is a continent.
America is not a well like nation and she needs to address that. And I think she can do that successfully if she finds a leader that is of the same mindset as the founding fathers.
Remember the Tripoli Treaty drafted under Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797? The one that begins "The Goovernment of America IS NOT IN ANY SENSE, founded on christian religion"
And what about Jefferson? Who said, "Question with boldness the existence of A GOD, because if one should exist, he would surely pay homeage to reason as opposed to blindfolded fear"
It is obvious to note that the founding fathers were indeed athiests. Good men with good values and good substance.
Modern America needs a brave man, a man who can stand up and say, " I am an athiest" A man who can put the god nonsense to one side and focus on the real issues that are plaguing our world. We have had many years of religious men in the white house, and look at the devastation that has been caused by them. They are evil to the core, self righteous and hypocrites.
America needs an athiest leader! And a man who will blame BOTH Israel and Palestine for the problems, then shut the door on both of them until they grow up and begin to behave appropriately. America needs a leader who will go after the people who attacked the twin towers. What they dont need is a leader who uses the god entity as a means of fighting his personal wars, and who d
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 15:41:54
What they dont need is a leader who uses the god entity as a means of fighting his personal wars, and who decides to stick two fingers up to the people who died in 11/9 by going after oil as opposed to the perpetrators of terror like Osama.
America is ready for change, but unfortunately, none of the present candidates will offer them that.
Such a person is to early for America right now, but hopefully America will be ready for that respectable athiest in the near future.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 15:42:47
I agree with you but we both know that won't ever happen. And why not substitute " a man or woman"??
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wisdom101,

Dallas, TX 07/03/2008 15:43:39
To continue my comment on 308 . . .

The lazy mother bird (which could be the democrats) didn't want to sit on her egg so she gets Horton (which could be the republicans) to do it. He kept his word and sat on the egg through all the dangers involved. Then when the egg hatched, the mother wanted to claim the baby bird as hers when the hatchling looked like the Horton. And by the way . . . Horton is an elephant. Not much of a stretch of the imagination. Dr. Seuss just didn't write stories for children, you know.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 15:43:50
The middle class will be paying for it (health care) no matter what happens, They are the Economy!
The China changes every time a new President takes Office and is Bill's supply of blue pills going to last till the end of the month.
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Sgurr,

07/03/2008 15:47:48
What about Barrack Obama? His surname sounds like "Osama", which on its own will probably put off 17.4% of people in Alabama. Go Clinton. Woop Woop, etc.
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liz_k,

Philadelphia 07/03/2008 15:51:40
Ms. Power, seems like you've stooped quite low yourself, to the point that you come off as quite the begrudger.
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mossyframe,

Texas, USA 07/03/2008 15:55:57
I wonder how a top adviser could be so shallow and immature. And the fact that Obama head-hunted her makes me question his good judgement in choosing people he hangs around with. Tony Rezko is another one there.

It tells a lot about Obama immaturity.

I know there are many die hard fans of Obama, but I think people with good judgement, just need to take a step back, do not waste your vote. Don't vote because of blind love. We choose a president here.
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max843,

Baltimore 07/03/2008 15:56:08
Is the author not aware that now it has been shown it was Clinton's camp, not Obama's, who told Canada not to worry about the NAFTA comments? Then Canada contacted Obama's professor for a comment. The gentleman repeated exactly what Obama had said publicly re NAFTA.

Yesterday and today the NAFTA incident was on the front page of all the Canadian papers, saying Canada should apologize to Obama - with hardly a mention in the US press.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 15:59:00
AnF,

You get over it? Every woman on the face of this earth has had to deal with sexism. Over and over and over again. People like you don't care about women being treated poorly do you? Hillary is a strong woman and we back her all the way. Or have you missed the $35 million us Clinton supporters have raised for her in FEB.Or the over $5.5 million we have raised for her since her landslide victory on Tuesday.

Get a grip on reality. Hillary will be our next president. And the fact that you don't like women is just tough. You and all the other sexists out there are about to have one as president. There are so many great men out there. And then there are sexists like you. Why any woman would ever date people like you is beyond me.

And I dare you to tell African Americans to "get over racism." Go ahead I dare you.


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AbleGoodman,

Grand Junction, CO, USA 07/03/2008 16:00:13
Samantha Power rules. Hillary drools.
Great looking babes who speak truth really churn my butter! Shame on Obama for apologizing for the truth.
Pay no attention to the "liz_k" critter and her "shoulder-pad-gender-feminist" ilk. Samantha, if you're not already married, will you marry me? ;-)
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jaqueline,

07/03/2008 16:06:16
zigzag

How classless of you to refer to the Clinton's in such a tacky manner. Just like the Obama cult to bring down the level of discussion to the dirt. The way you insult Hillary fills us with such dreams and hopes for Americas future. NOT!
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Jesable,

california 07/03/2008 16:07:01
She must go!
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newslamp,

Ohio, USA 07/03/2008 16:08:01
With aides like Power, who needs Republicans?

Thank you, Gerri Peev, for giving us something to write and talk about.

http://www.newslampoon.com/obama_aide_calls_hillary_monster.htm
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Jesable,

california alta 07/03/2008 16:11:17
If Obama's senior foriegn policy advisor is such an idiot, what is its implication on the future of this country's foreign affairs.
She mut go!
Hillary supporters will settle on nothing but her resignation!
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McMillar,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 16:12:01
Way to go Jacqueline…..you’re the man. HC would be such a retro step and not in a cool way.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 16:15:03
We'll folks its gona be just like what Ross had done for Billy.
All I can say is Go John Go!!!!!!!
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Jesable,

Alta California 07/03/2008 16:15:42
Obama thank you for the free gifts you and your campaign give us everyday.
You make our job very easy.
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wnaegele,

Albuquerque 07/03/2008 16:18:15
"'Hillary Clinton's a monster'"

Well, sociopath anyway...
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 16:18:31
322
If you paid attention, you'd know AnF is a woman, from New York. And, just for the record (if you couldn't tell from my tag) I am also a woman, so please don't go accusing me of being a "sexist" like you did AnF before checking your facts.

Interesting that you felt compelled to mention Clinton's fundraising and using that as a show of support from voters. Obama's supporters raised $55 million in February (as opposed to Clinton's $35 million). None of Obama's fundraising is from PACs -- all from individuals (candidates must disclose where, and from whom, the $ comes from). Clinton has tapped out all her PACs and high rollers and had to use $5 million of her own money to bolster her campaign.
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Sandi,

San Diego 07/03/2008 16:19:27
#225 The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

I agree. I hadn't thought about registration being the same as for the GE, but that's a really good addition.

As a Democrat, one of my greatest frustrations about this primary is that non-Democrats are picking my party's nominee. As it stands now, exit polls show that Hillary Clinton has more Democratic votes. When this gets to the Convention, you can be sure that all the Democrats there will know that. They are picking the Democratic nominee after all.
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ancestoralhome,

USA 07/03/2008 16:22:48
Monster" seems a bit much when describing a self-centered, highly ambitious, "anything goes in the pursuit of the prize" politician in the midst of so many kindred spirits. But then again, you really have to know her. A number of us are hoping that the near constant exposure she receives in this campaign will remind the American public why they were so glad to see her leave the national scene the last time.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 16:24:47
I just checked Hillarys site again and we have now raised $6,108,345 for Hillary. In 48 hours we are breaking every record in town.

If anyone would like to make a donation or send Hillary a positive message please go to:
www.hillaryclinton.com
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Chalermpol Inth,

Newton, MA 07/03/2008 16:32:11
I'm for Hillary Clinton. I resent all personal attacks on her. It's unfair. It's out of place. Please focus on the substance.
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 16:34:23
225 & 334
It does seem to have gone way past what the Founding Fathers intended (ie, a government of the people, by the people, for the people). Open primaries, closed primaries, and modified-closed primaries ... here in Illinois, people had to choose which party's primary to vote in, and as a result, it caused a lot of local elections to have very, very low turnout: folks wanted to vote one way locally, and another nationally. They had to choose one. Not very fair, and it hurts local politics more than the national.
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Arkancide,

Little Rock, Arkansas 07/03/2008 16:47:35
Nobody will be speaking to The Scotsman off the record again! Anyone wishing to know more about Hillary's murky past should go to www.arkancide.com where there is plenty of substance for you to focus on.
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Mike Gabrieli,

Arizona, USA 07/03/2008 16:48:28
What a pathetic excuse for a newspaper. I guess when you're a sad little pseudo-country like Scotland you need to stoop to desperate measures to attract the world's attention.
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gfm2008,

USA 07/03/2008 16:49:40
Media1,

Rarely have I come across a blog post which conveys such enormous insignificance as does this recent one from you. “Having visited the place on many occasions [sic.] I can say that it [America] is ok.” Well, thank you for clearing that up! But it goes without saying Europe offers more… like a drastically reduced standard of living, a de facto socialist state, native culture that is being displaced by Islamism in one or two generations. What a decaying, retrograde excuse for a continent.

Oh, and thank you for speaking up for “people around the world.” Your email box must be constantly getting overfull, inasmuch as you are in such constant contact with… well, everyone. The fact is, cowardly Europeans look down their noses at America – until the next time you need your asses bailed out of some misadventure and you need your big brother to handle the bully. Millions may not know Europe is a continent; many more millions don’t care.

“America is not a well like [sic.] nation and she needs to address that.” Why? To please inconsequential pipsqueaks like yourself? In the end, who cares what you like or don’t like? But at last, we get to the main point of your idiotic screed.

You finally reveal your true ignorance: “It is obvious to note that the founding fathers were indeed atheists. Good men with good values and good substance.” This is the essence of your snotty, moralistic drivel? That you are on the fast track to a Godless, empty socialism? “We have had many years of religious men in the white house [sic.], and look at the devastation that has been caused by them. They are evil to the core, self righteous and hypocrites.” (BTW, just who do you mean by “we?” Don’t include yourself in my country, clown.)

What devastation? Do you mean the devastation caused when we came to bail you clowns out in WWII? The devastation that kept you sniveling, mewling milksops out of the clutches of the USSR?

I believe you are an effete, feather-headed socialist los
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skylark,

USA 07/03/2008 16:51:28
Samantha Power has resigned from the Obama campaign
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Chithra KarunaKaran,

New York 07/03/2008 16:53:25
U.S. Civil Society and Presidential Election 2008

Hillary a "monster." ?

Is Samantha Power ex-Harvard President Lawrence Summers' twin from hell? She should resign just as Summers was finally forced to.

I voted for Obama. I think he delivers an authentic message. So does Hillary. Voters have the legal right to choose through the electoral process.
But Samantha Power discredits Obama's campaign and devalues the democratic process which the world's nation-states are desperately trying to develop,
by abusing her First Amendment rights of free speech with her incendiary ad hominem attack against Hillary Clinton.

Power does not work for the Jerry Springer show does she? She is employed by Harvard and she owes responsibility and can be held accountable for her public statements.

She is a self-appointed, Harvard-anointed arbiter of the "Practice of Global Leadership and Public Policy" at the Kennedy School of Government. She failed to be responsible to this prestigious and well-regarded institution and she is not a global leader by any stretch o0f the imagination.

As a post-colonial sociologist and a civil society activist I would characterize Powers' gratuitous verbal violence against Hillary Clinton, as part of of the practice of Systemic Whiteness.
White folks in particular exercise unearned skin privilege to damage democratic process for the Greater Collective Godd (GCG) because
they have a long history of a profound misplaced sense of entitlement under a pervasive structure, system and ideology of Whiteness.
Because Whiteness is a 3-part structure of Power, any one of us can be impacted and constrained, albeit unequally, by its overarching
as well as embedded and entrenched characteristic of power.

People cannot just abandon theory when it suits them. Power fumbled badly. She exposed her lack of ethical authority in the matter of political debate as part of an election.
Power should be held accountable and she should pay the price. Res
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gfm2008,

07/03/2008 16:53:30
Media1:

I believe you are an effete, feather-headed socialist loser; that you have no conception of your utter irrelevance; that you mistake your arrested moral development {atheism) for social superiority; and that, in all likelihood, your pathetic skatole was produced from your mother’s basement where you tap away all day in your crusty underpants. If you had any idea just how lame you really are, you’d hang yourself in your sleep.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 16:57:40
Good thing she resigned, since Obama won't fire people for doing the wrong thing. Why is Alan G. still working for him if he was speaking for himself on NAFTA?
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Jay1492,

USA 07/03/2008 16:58:42
It is any wonder the press is regarded with suspicion and held in such low esteem? Proud of yourself, are you, for tricking your fellow human being into discussing their feelings and then hurting her with them? Thanks so much for this contribution to our already bitter election.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 17:05:07
She's just resigned.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/07/breaking-obama-advisor-resigns-over-comment/
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:05:36
Hey, that is what the press does. If she is silly enough to blurt out a stupid comment like that she should know it will certainly get out. Someone speaking directly for a presidential candidate should be more careful. It says very clearly that the press never made an "off the record" agreement with her.
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kfd50,

eureka, ca 07/03/2008 17:12:31
Sounds like McCain should hire Ms. Powers.
As for your socialist rag, not only did your reporter publish remarks that were requested to be off the record, your editor sensors your own readers comments with "comment removed by administrator, reason-none" and " report unsuitable" Shame Shame
God am I glad my Grandfather left Edinburgh in 1880 and came to a country with FREE PRESS.
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wildebill,

USA 07/03/2008 17:13:30
She has learned the hard way, "nothing is off the record", journalistic integrity long ago died. There are a lot of mindless people posting her. God help us.
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Disgusted W/Scotsman,

USA 07/03/2008 17:13:54
This reporter should be fired along with the editor who allowed this smear to be printed. We have enough difficulty with the US press without media from another country trying to influence our presidential race. We know that someone in the Canadian government aided the Clinton campaign on the NAFTA scandal and now this. The damage you have done to your own publication will be severe, as you are no longer seen as trustworthy. Who would possibly confide in you now? I am sickened by this.
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:16:29
#341. "Proud of yourself, are you, for tricking your fellow human being..?" From the sounds of it, she was the one trying desperately to 'trick' her way out of an awkward situation, when she realised in horror what she had just said.

I hope Obama wins, by the way, but it's depressingly predictable in a situation like this for outraged Americans not only to 'shoot the messenger', but in one or two of the above posts to actually shoot the country in which the messenger happens to be situated - 'pseudo-country' indeed!
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:18:04
Sorry, my above post was responding to #349. Reading numbers accurately is not my strong point.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 17:28:49
#352 - Free Press?

Most of the US media sites moderate posts before they get printed. Try posting something negative on CNN about Obama - it is very difficult - believe me!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:33:10
#352
#357
Personally I was glad to see that some posts had been removed. It ruins the whole dialog when people are genuinely trying to debate an issue and some ignorant blow hard sullies the whole thing with some angry uneducated comment. I find this a refreshing post compared to dealing with AOL! And of course CNN is biased- they are owned by GE which donated over 1 million dollars to Bush's campaign. Big business rules in the states. I love my country, but it has it's problems.
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Disgusted W/Scotsman,

USA 07/03/2008 17:37:45
#355

Baloney. When someone is giving an interview to someone in the media and tells them that something they said is off the record, it's off the record. For that publication to then print those statements obliterates all journalistic standards. This is a disgrace to all journalism. The Scotsman will no longer be seen as a credible source, especially in the US. If I were Samantha I would be talking to a lawyer and would sue the Scotsman for every penny she could get.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 17:39:02
#342 Yes indeedy this may be a crap paper, however sluring a whole country does seem rather strong considering.
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Patrick F,

New York 07/03/2008 17:43:10
Ms Power was being honest and was nailed for it by The Scotsman, "off the record" means just that. Now I have to possibly accept the fact that Hillary gains the upper hand. The Republicans are as happy as pigs in manure,they have the dirt on Clinton. I have heard from so many sources that people over here will erupt if McCain wins. He is equal to GW, it's all in the eyes or am I the only person that sees it. I became a citizen in 1999, the last 7 years here has been somewhat frustrating listening to Republicans that haven't got a clue or else don't care. The Obama concept is this Country's last hope,the US people have to flush out the corruption in Washington before it's too late.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:43:27
You could talk to a lawyer and they would tell you that you couldn't win that one. For an off the record agreement to be made, they sign an agreement before the interview. Basically she just ran her mouth and then thought "woops" and said "this is off the record" ... well, no it's not if that wasn't the agreement. Really stupid rookie mistake.
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pinchechris,

Texas 07/03/2008 17:45:36
A rose by another name... Wouldn't smell as sweet. So when did it become a crime to call things by there name?
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Emily Walters,

Houston, Texas, USA 07/03/2008 17:48:07
Foxnews.com is reporting concerning this story that the adviser in question told the reporter that the "monster" remark was made off the record. Holding a Journalism degree myself, if this is true, then this is an example of terrible and unethical journalism and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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JElaine,

NJ USA 07/03/2008 17:48:09
A few thoughts....
Your caption under Sen. Clinton's pictures says that recently she "had looked desperate" on television appearances, but as one reads the article it is the Obama repsentative, who characterized Sen. Clinton that way. Is is responsible journalism to write an opinion caption as if it were fact? I am a news junkie - and took my time deciding between Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama - and I have not seen Sen. Clinton looking desperate on television. Desperation is almost always in the eye of the beholder. If one wants to see, one will.

On the other side, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with The Scotsman's handling of the 'off the record' comment. As a professional woman I am always happy when unfair, negative comments about other professional women are brought to light, but if the person giving the interview meant it as 'off the record' it should have been. Of course, there is always the possibility that she was being manipulative, i.e. saying 'off the record' so she could pretend that the entire Sen. Obama team were very professional and ethical, but consciously going all out to get your newspaper to paint Sen. Clinton in a negative way. Just a thought. Honey wouldn't melt in her mouth - an old US saying, for people who appear to be all sweet and charming in public, but really aren't as sweet as they want you to believe they are.
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JElaine,

NJ 07/03/2008 17:51:25
clarification.....the honey comment was for Power.

p.s. sorry for the typos I missed in the earlier comment (365).
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:52:48
#359. "When someone is giving an interview to someone in the media and tells them that something they said is off the record, it's off the record". I'd like to see how that rather novel principle would work in a live television interview - actually, come to think of it, I know what would happen because John Prescott tried it once and it's since been repeated several dozen times on TV 'out-take' shows!

If she had said "what I'm about to tell you is off-the-record" and the journalist had nodded in agreement, you'd have a point. Retrospectively and unilaterally trying to decree that one inconvenient part of an on-the-record interview is going to be made off-the-record is a somewhat different matter. I suspect if Ms Power took your advice and consulted a lawyer in this country that's precisely what she would be told. To be fair, she seems to be taking this with rather better grace than you are.

However, I seem to be defending the Scotsman's integrity, which as an SNP supporter is making me feel slightly queasy, so perhaps I should bow out at this point. Why haven't we been told what George Foulkes has to say on the matter?
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 17:53:20
gfm

Thank you for responding, it is always nice to hear the views of a third, fourth or maybe fifth generation Italian, Irishman or Scotsman.

Thankfully, like your country, what you think does'nt actually matter. Nevertheless, since you went to such effort to respond, I feel I must offer you a response.

Speaking of drastically reduced living, which American trailor park should I begin with? As for Europe being what you deem to be insignificant, one can only revert to the truth. America was built by Europeans! Even as late as the 40's and 50's you were calling out for German scientists and calling on the great European minds that were lost on the new generation of what we call American's.
Who were those brilliant American's again? Was it Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Newton,Flemming, Graham Bell, Livingston, Shakespeare, Einstein, Descartes? I would go on, but it would only depress you further.

Cowardly Europeans you say! Yes that is right, America arrived for the last part of the war and assisted in the dismantling of the Hitler regime. But then you needed to, because had that ONE Europen nation got past Britain,France and a host of other nations, they were coming to get you lot, so out of fear and the acknowledgement that your nation was in danger, you joined the party late and saved your asses from a German can of whip ass!

And no, America need not change to suit me. It must simply change because it needs to change.

You took the time to speak about what I said regarding the founding father, yet avoided the fact that they were indeed athiests who had more moral fibre than any man who has sat at the head of the Oval office in the last 40 years.

And believe me, I DO NOT include myself in your country, it is your country who includes itself in everyone elses. For now that is! And dont me tired regarding Russia, you know as well as I do, that had Russia been a capitalist nation, she would have been so far ahead of America
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ObamaFan08,

Raleigh, NC, USA 07/03/2008 17:53:58
To say Obama's is an "inexperienced campaign" reveals your bias toward Hillary. Obama's campaign has been lauded as the best ever seen. The "experienced" and "inevitable" Hillary, on the other hand, has made one strategic error after the other. She even had to lend her campaign money when it almost went bankrupt. She is so inept she has to resort to smear tactics rather than running on merit. After living with the likes of Bush, Rove, and Bill Clinton for 16 years, I would not be shocked to learn that Bill and Hill put that Canadian Prime Minister's office up to creating that lie about Obama and Nafta just before the vote. She'll stop at nothing, but she'll NEVER get my vote.
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 17:54:49
America it would not be worth speaking about. By the way, Russia WON the space race, you lot just happened to land on the moon first, with the help of German science.

As I said, your country is quite nice, not much history, but then again the Europeans who built her did what they could to offer you some sort of culture.

By the way, where is you are from? Scotland, Italy or Ireland? After all, you ALL come from somewhere else.
Away n beil yer heid san...
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MtnKat,

07/03/2008 17:54:50
I suspect the ranters would see this in a different light if it hadn't happened to their candidate.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 17:55:47
361 What concept?
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:56:06
#364. "...then this is an example of terrible and unethical journalism"

That's quite a claim from someone who openly admits watching Fox News!
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 17:57:07
FROM CNN ( USA):

The Obama campaign said that the decision was Power’s, and stressed that “she was an adviser, not a paid staffer.”

"She made the decision to resign and we accepted," said communications director Robert Gibbs.

Earlier in the day, the Clinton campaign had called for Obama to end Power's association with his campaign.


So she wasn't paid? What does that have to do with her comment? She has been advising the Obama camp for 14 months. What else has she said that the media was asleep at wheel and let pass?

And Obama didn't ask her leave or fire her she resigned? In the statement the Obama camp acted like she did nothing wrong. So if she hadn't resigned she would still be working for the Obama camp? What hopes and dreams Obama sign me up. Not!

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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:59:06
Media1
First off let me say that at least as many Americans care deeply about how we are seen by the rest of the world as those who don't. I have a deep respect for Europe and the UK- I spent half a year as an exchange student at Oxford and would move my children back to England to live in a hearbeat. However, it is easy to criticise America, and hard to solve our problems. We have made some real deals with the devil when it comes to big business and corporate America. We have an enormous country to govern and a million points of view to try to address. Please be patient with us, we are young.
Most of the founding fathers were actually deists- definitely not Christian in the modern sense of the word- and worked very hard to keep religion out of politics. People here seem to have conveniently forgotten that.
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 18:03:02
Portsmouth

Of course you are correct, and I apologise for what I said. I was responding to that other person and I meant no offence to anyone.

You summed it up perfectly when you said, We have made some real deals with the devil when it comes to big business and corporate America. We have an enormous country to govern and a million points of view to try to address.

Thanks for your post.
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mayflowerpilgrim,

USA 07/03/2008 18:11:27
I really don't think Samantha Power should have to resign over those words she uttered. After all, shouldn't Clinton say those words were just words too?

I didn't know that Samantha Power was a foreign policy adviser to Obama before this, but from what I know about her work, she would be great -- yet another reason to vote for Obama.

--From a previous Clinton supporter. (I even voted for her to be Senator in NY - twice!) But, I gotta go with Obama. (I'm a "feminist" too.)
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searchfortruth,

Scio 07/03/2008 18:16:11
In this day and age telling the truth hs become a headline story and those who tell the truth are banished as undesirables. If Power told a lie, such as “Hillary has a wonderful record of public service”, she would have been praised to the skies and would still be advising Obama. The whole story hinges on the definition of “monster” and whether Power told the truth. As you reported, she called her a “monster” because she would say anything to win. Why in the world did Obama had her resign for telling the truth? Anyone who knows anything about the Clintons knows that it is the truth.

Hillary is very fortunate that Obama and his campaign are asking their rather tepid questions. There a thousand of unanswered questions in her background which our media have suppressed, but which are probably the reason why Obama has been so successful in this campaign. "Hillary" is the best issue going for him. One only reads about these questions in the internet forums, but sooner or latter they will surface, no matter how hard the media tries to suppress them.
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MidwestIowa,

07/03/2008 18:16:22
The woman who dared blurt out the word "Monster" has resigned. "SAMANTHA Power is the embodiment of the American immigrant dream." And the dream of some journalist with a "gotcha!" moment has been realised!
Congratulations.
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Kentucky Woman,

07/03/2008 18:19:12
Joan of Arc, Elizabeth the I, Queen Isabella of Spain, Harriet Tubman, Queen Rania of Jordan, Benazir Bhutto, these women inspired their countries in a way that Hillary Clinton does not. Why should we settle? Our female leader is coming but I must say Hillary Clinton is not the one. These female leaders did not use fear to inspire their country to follow them. They gave heart and soul to move their countries. They used their intellect not for fear mongering ( or as my little sister says," crazy making " ) but to convince a nation that they are right. Her ad "3:00 AM Call" is just that, "a crazy maker". Need I remind you that Walter Mondale ran a similar ad and he lost.

Our woman president, will be a woman to surpass all the female leaders from history. She will move our hearts and provoke our minds. We must wait. Our first, must be our best.
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Steve H.,

Utah, USA 07/03/2008 18:22:19
Hillary a monster? Well, I don't call her Grendel for nothing.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:23:36
I don't think the commercial was "fear mongering" at all. I think she was just trying to be realistic. Why would Obama accuse her of fear mongering and then copy her ad and do the same thing? Hillary is very inspiring.
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tejanodiablo,

tx 07/03/2008 18:23:56
so if the hildabeast answers that 3:am red phone call, just who is going to be right beside her trying to horn in on the 'action' .. are you going to feel safer while co-presidents argue out a response to a crises situation ? and which hildabeast is going to answer : the angry hilda, the crying hilda, the vindictive hilda, the partisan hilda, or the extremely selfish and lying hilda ..
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:28:12
Are those anti-feminists from earlier still around? Can you really look at post 383 and tell me that this isn't sexist?

Personally I would rather have a president that has a very successful and intelligent past president as her closest confidante than to have Michelle Obama- the angry woman who has never been proud of her country and serves on committees at a racist church.
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democrat-small-d,

Connecticut, USA 07/03/2008 18:28:23
A question for Mr. Peev:

Which part of "Off the record" don't you understand?

It is most unfortunate that Mr. Peev has stooped so low as to attribute a remark that was made with the assumption that a modicum of journalistic (and human) decency would prevail.

A "peevish" attempt to put this publication on the map indeed! The "public interest" was not served by this decision; only the interests of The Scotsman.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:30:45
The rules for an interview are decided beforehand. Just because you blunder horribly doesn't mean you can call out "DO OVER" and erase your mistake.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 07/03/2008 18:33:21
Barack Hussein Obama,

His campaign is coming unglued. he head-hunted Samantha Power in 2005 . that was 3 years ago.

If he was not a SMOKE and MIRROR dude. He would have seen through SP long before now. And he picked SP to advise him on foreign relations...WOW

But it took a "nasty name call" by SP, for this Dude to expose his lack of experience in the human selection process. 3 years was a long time for Dude Obama to get it right.

Just shows the Dude is a SMOKE and MIRROR preacher.

The 60 year old Hillary (politically battle hardened), has met with world leaders and other political crooks. She is highly intelligent, and a strong woman (American males hate that)
They like to keep the women under their thumb. And never every allow them to crash through the so-called glass ceiling.

Hillary can and will change all that.

Hillary knows and understand how to operate inside the political Beltway in Washington DC. She has no illusions about that.

Barack is out "in left field" in that regard. Inside the Beltway he will be turned into mince meat.
His is too tribal and no one wants that . We are a nation of individuals with a live and healthy 250 year old Constitution.

As for the John McCain, that old F*rt is a fossilized warmonger. Another potential Bush disaster should he get elected. WAR WAR WAR and more WAR is McCain's solution.

GC

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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 18:33:54
Kentucky Woman

A fellow woman who will not stand up for an experienced fellow woman. When you feel like a man is treating you unfairly think of how you voted. Why should anyone be fair to you if your not going to be fair to a fellow woman. She is a wonderful person who you refuse to give a chance at being president.
Shame on you.

Do you think experienced women running for president just grows on trees?? When was the last time a woman was president in our 200 years plus of American history?? Keep thinking?? Don't wear yourself out.
N E V E R!!

Things always come around that go around. Shame on you for not giving a fellow woman a chance.


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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:39:00
Kentucky Woman
Bennazir Bhutto (excuse my thrashing of spelling) did alot of dirty politics to get where she was. It is not easy to be in politics, and almost impossible to have power as a woman in politics. She was hated by many. Most powerful women are hated, nobody knows how to view them- they have to be tough to compete or they are seen as weak crybabies, but if they are tough they are seen as "bitches". I don't know how long you are planning on waiting for someone as unique as Hillary to come along again!
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Hudsonian,

Newport Beach, California 07/03/2008 18:40:05
She is correct and she understood she would be speaking off the record. We all have Clinton fatigue (and Bush fatigue). Will we have twin dynasties in the form of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, BushClinton BushClinton BushClinton (haha)? But I have the highest respect for Ms. Power.
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Brian Webster,

San Francisco, California 07/03/2008 18:42:49
I read the Scotsman online periodically for international and EU stories. This is shockingly unprofessional journalism. Samantha Power is a very smart person with a tremendous amount of insight on political and international affairs. Why would a Scottsman journalist report this off these record comments? Why would your editors let it be published? It is so obvious how wrong it is. You have done a real disservice to your trade. Someone on your staff sound resign. This was a caluclated decision.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:43:54
It is a shame that we had any Bush's at all. I think it is a mistake to equate Hillary with another Bill term. She is much stronger on foreign policy and is respected more by the military than he was. She is much more liberal than him, and I am sure that her opinion is going to be what matters if she is in the white house. Anyway, how can it hurt to have an ex-president as your closest confidante as I said before? I would rather have someone by my side who can really understand and offer real substantial advice than to have someone who doesn't.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 18:44:39
portsmouth,

What a perfect example of a woman hater. Get some help. Quick.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:46:03
Oh come on! If Samantha Power is such a professional than she would know better than to trust a reporter and make stupid comments that she doesn't want to get out! She got lazy and forgot who she was talking to. Unprofessional- she got what she deserved and learned a valuable lesson.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:47:18
Jacqueline
How do you mean?? I am totally on your side! I adore Hillary and hate all the sexist press she is getting. What are you talking about?
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 18:50:33
Hillary is very inspiring. She will make a great president.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 18:50:53

#387
'I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.'

"Hillary has met with world leaders 'AS What First Lady ' and other political crooks. She is probably the biggest Crook. (American males hate that - So do most American woman with an Ounce of sense )

If Billary gets Elected ? and the Phone Rings in The White House at 3:A M it will be for Bill and she will have no idea where he is..
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Reekin' Lum,

07/03/2008 18:54:50
This really is a banana republic! It is absolutely frightening that the greatest country and most important country in the world that it is possible that two non entities can strive for the presidency of this nation. One of them was a wife of a politician for most of her life, a lawyer in a dubious law firm and a mediocre junior senator for New York.Eva Peron had more right to be President than this woman.
The other has no experience whatsoever, yet we are getting a media blitz a la Princess Diana- no substance or experience whatsoever - just empty rhetoric.

We have , however, McCain -not a happy selection but the only one who we will be able to reply on in these troubled times and who can lean on those experienced in running this country well over the last 8 years.

Sorry, Little Scotlanders and Little Englanders, I don't think you're going to have one of your leftist ilk in this White House any time soon.

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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 18:58:33
A portion of Hillary's resume that you are obviously unaware of.
1. Grandfather firefighter, other grandfather factory worker
2.yale school of law
3. staff attorney for children's defense fund
4.One of only 2 women lawyers serving on the Whitehouse Judiciary Committee
5. Chose not to pursue offers from major law firms and instead became a mother
6. Ran a legal aid clinic for the poor in Arkansas
7. Organized a group called Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
8. At 30,president Carter appointed her to the board of the United States Legal Services Corporation- a nonprofit that funds legal assistance to the poor
9. As first lady in Arkansas she served on the board of the Arkansas Children's Hospital
10. On National Board of Children's Defense Fund, the Childcare Action Campaign, and the Children's Television Workshop
11. Continued legal career and led American Bar Associations Commission on Women in the Profession
12. TWICE NAMED ONE OF THE 100 MOST INFLUENTIAL LAWYERS IN AMERICA
13. As presidential first lady- traveled the globe supporting women's rights and womens and human right abuses
14. As Senator for New York she serves on the Armed Services Committee
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hoku73,

OHIO 07/03/2008 18:59:28
Hello Scotland. I'm in Ohio. Found this interesting article through the DrudgeReport. Want to clue you in on the "obsessed" Ohioans here in America. We are truly obsessed with lower taxes, a free world, secure borders, and a strong response to terrorism the world over rather than Mrs. Clinton. Hillary won Ohio this week for one reason, John McCain has the Republicn nomination locked up. People here hate Hillary. Not just in Ohio. Because we'd rather see Hillary as the Democrats nominee to raise taxes, lose the battle on terrorism and reduce our borders to nothing many Ohio Republicans voted for Hillary because John McCain already wrapped up the Republican nomination. Republicans fear Obama in the November general election more so than Hillary because she truly does elicit hatred in this country. Not just for her, but for her lying and cheating husband too. So, Hillary wins Ohio rather than Obama and hopefully the Democratic nomination for the November election. There you have it. Contrary to Obama's foreign policy advisor, who probably knows diddly squat about foreign policy, let alone giving a sober interview, Hillary wins not because were obsessed, but because the Republicans are smarter than the Democrats.
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phillip belcher,

shasta Lake city california! 07/03/2008 18:59:50
this is getting real messy. The only freekin monster is Michalle obumba her self. the comment that she made. I unndetrstand there more to it, but how off the freeginn wall! Then if your are not proud, go back to where you came from! How can people support some one that dose not respect our flag, thats not a American to me that's a traitor!
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Patrick F,

NY 07/03/2008 19:04:55
372
The "concept" of a complete, grassroots, youth based, fiscally responsible, respectful foreign policy, special interest free, corruption contained policy where people like Dick Cheney and Co are out of business for good.
A transparent Country that acts like a Republic and not an extension/continuation of The British Empire. The average American doesn't understand that this once great Country is rapidly loosing sovereignty due to pure arrogance. A Nation that consistantly consumes without savings and writes checks based on foregn borrowing to the tune of $9 Tril ($50 Tril if you factor SS and medicare committment) The warning signs are now upon the Nation, currency problems, hidden inflation, massive breakdown on Wall St, real estate collapse.
Obama at least has a chance to change direction, McCain and Clinton are tainted in my opinion.
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Patrick F,

NY 07/03/2008 19:05:12
372
The "concept" of a complete, grassroots, youth based, fiscally responsible, respectful foreign policy, special interest free, corruption contained policy where people like Dick Cheney and Co are out of business for good.
A transparent Country that acts like a Republic and not an extension/continuation of The British Empire. The average American doesn't understand that this once great Country is rapidly loosing sovereignty due to pure arrogance. A Nation that consistantly consumes without savings and writes checks based on foregn borrowing to the tune of $9 Tril ($50 Tril if you factor SS and medicare committment) The warning signs are now upon the Nation, currency problems, hidden inflation, massive breakdown on Wall St, real estate collapse.
Obama at least has a chance to change direction, McCain and Clinton are tainted in my opinion.
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 19:06:37
Let's really look at whether or not Clinton is "much stronger on foreign policy" portsmouth. Take, fo example her recent attacks on Obama regarding his campaign's meeting with Canadaian officials where NAFTA was discussed.

The Canadian government came out flatly stating that the reports of Obama giving them a "wink wink", as Clinton refers to it, were completely misconstrued and false. Specifically, the Canadian embassy stated that "...there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect." Here's an article about it:

http://tinyurl.com/2aa9rd

Even after this, Clinton continued to push the original, negative story as if it was clear fact. So basically, she's calling the Canadian government liars. Is this an example of her superior foreign policy strengths?

Or maybe her comments about Russia's former leader, Putin having, in her words, "no soul". Here's a link to that one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRuPzsJO3TI

Now I'm no fan of Putin, but are her comments any way to build the foundation of constructive dialogue and superior foreign policy with a leader you have differences with? And incidentally, Putin's response to Clinton was pretty priceless. he said of Hillary that:

"At a minimum, a head of state should have a head"

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Patrick F,

NY 07/03/2008 19:06:59
372
The "concept" of a complete, grassroots, youth based, fiscally responsible, respectful foreign policy, special interest free, corruption contained policy where people like Dick Cheney and Co are out of business for good.
A transparent Country that acts like a Republic and not an extension/continuation of The British Empire. The average American doesn't understand that this once great Country is rapidly loosing sovereignty due to pure arrogance. A Nation that consistantly consumes without savings and writes checks based on foregn borrowing to the tune of $9 Tril ($50 Tril if you factor SS and medicare committment) The warning signs are now upon the Nation, currency problems, hidden inflation, massive breakdown on Wall St, real estate collapse.
Obama at least has a chance to change direction, McCain and Clinton are tainted in my opinion.
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sally m'ion,

stockbridge 07/03/2008 19:07:10
I haven't read all of the previous posts, but I think you all need to settle down. From what I've seen, "The Scotsman" journalist made a mistake.

>Samantha Power, a foreign policy aide on the Illinois senator's White House campaign, said the comments were inexcusable. They were published on Friday by The Scotsman newspaper

The aide's comments caused repercussions which were nothing to do with the campaign or the issues. If you're actually interested in how the campaign/s are going, you should visit www.nyt.com sometime.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 19:07:35
Patrick, I would agree with you that the government is in a mess, but Bush has filled Washington with the worst pack of wolves in history. Obama does not have the connections or the experience or the thick skin to handle it. Hillary can. My gosh there is no one tougher in politics right now- she is a fighter and is used to going up against these guys.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 19:09:34
jacqueline
I am still waiting to hear why I need help. You can't just attack someone like that and then not even explain yourself.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 19:10:58
'I'm neither a Republican nor a Democrat.'
#399 A portion of Hillary's resume that you are obviously unaware of.
1. Grandfather firefighter, other grandfather factory worker - and the end of the story is " And Both Were Republicans"

# 400 You are spot on Mate.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 19:13:04
yes, even Hillary's dad was a Republican. I think this might be one of the reasons she is so good at working with the republicans to get things done. Why is this a bad thing?
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Free Tempe,

Arizona, USA 07/03/2008 19:14:45
The only scandal here is the complete lack of journalistic integrity of the Scotsman. When someone says "off the record" thats what it means!!!!
Are you a newspaper or a tabloid? You should be ashamed!!!
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sally m'ion,

07/03/2008 19:16:22
># 400 You are spot on Mate.

the Drudge Report is fabulated none-sense. ignore it.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 19:18:18
Portsmouth : What are You On?
yes, even Hillary's dad was a Republican. I think this might be one of the reasons she is so good at working with the republicans to get things done.
Why is this a bad thing?
Right Karl Rove is in her Hip Pocket.You are voting For a woman, Nothing else.
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sally m'ion,

07/03/2008 19:19:32
>The only scandal here is the complete lack of journalistic integrity of the Scotsman. When someone says "off the record" thats what it means!!!!
Are you a newspaper or a tabloid? You should be ashamed!!!

absolutely, Free Tempe. the Scotsman used to be a paper with journalistic integrity...but has become some kind of lifestyle/tourist journo. some cool people seem to work for it - but they also are poorly organized. all the ghosty & loch ness monster stuff in the main paper? keep it for the "fun/weekend" section.
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 19:19:45
Portsmouth:

Still waiting for your substantive answer on why Hillary is supposedly "much stronger on foreign policy".

So again, let's really look at whether or not that's the case. Take, for example her recent attacks on Obama regarding his campaign's meeting with Canadaian officials where NAFTA was discussed.

The Canadian government came out flatly stating that the reports of Obama giving them a "wink wink", as Clinton refers to it, were completely misconstrued and false. Specifically, the Canadian embassy stated that "...there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA. We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect." Here's an article about it:

http://tinyurl.com/2aa9rd

Yet even after this, Clinton continued to push the original, negative story as if it was clear fact. So basically, she's calling the Canadian government liars. Is this an example of her superior foreign policy strengths? I see it as her giving the government of one of our neighbors an unwarranted slap in the face. Not good foreign policy.

Or look at Clinton's comments about Russia's former leader Putin having, in her words, "no soul". Here's a link to that one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRuPzsJO3TI

Now I'm no fan of Putin, but are Clinton's comments any way to build the foundation of constructive dialogue and superior foreign policy with a leader you have differences with? I'd like to see her try to work effectively with a leader after announcing to the world that she thinks they have "no soul". And incidentally, Putin's response to Clinton was pretty priceless. he said of Hillary that:

"At a minimum, a head of state should have a head"

Hillary's win-at-all-costs strategy is burning bridges and tearing down future opportunities left and right. If she pulls off the highly unlikely and wins the nomination o
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 19:20:07
I am voting for universal healthcare. I am voting for solutions for the economy. I am voting also to finally get a woman in the whitehouse as well. And I am voting for the one candidate that can win the election.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

07/03/2008 19:24:42
270 jaqueline:
As I said Yesterday - The Texas Delegates will be Annouced at the Democratic Convention In Denver this June. The caucuses in Texas were a Nightmare.

Hillary has Not won Texas yet, But as she told a National TV-NBC audience - I WILL Get the Nomination.
GO FIGURE..
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Sigmond,

USA, thank God 07/03/2008 19:25:40
Calling Hillary a "monster" - and coming from another liberal- is so unlike liberals. Usually, they call people "moron" or the less used "idiot" when unable to express themselves coherently. The term "Monster", however, could become more popular if for example, Sean Penn would use it at his next lovefest with Chavez, to describe George Bush.
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KatherineD,

Los Angeles ,CA. 07/03/2008 19:25:59
Wow. Having lived in Scotland and gone to school in Scotland I am not amazed at the bitter comments about Hilary..Obama is a good man but relatively inexperienced with his staff. Either one will make a good president. The UK people have to remember though that the president is one cog in the wheel over here. There is no Queen or King and no House of Commons. Whoever is Pres. will have to have guts and strength to get any programs changed or made over. We are different from Europe in that we do not go out into the streets and get in fights over football. We don't kill people with knives we do it with guns. (non sequitor here)
BOTH ARE BAD. Both countries need strong leaders with persuasion abilities to influence the real deal makers, CONGRESS in the US. Good luck to either HIL. OR OB.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 19:27:23
Portsmouth: Sounds Like Your a Ron Paul Fan from the credabilty rating You Think Billary has ?

I'm away tae Lunch . Your daen ma heid in...
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GRIZZBAR,

Culver City CA 07/03/2008 19:28:12
#125 Joeysky "We f***** up in Ohio," What a classy remark by foreign policy advisor.

BRAVO! After viewing 200+ posts on this stupid and unnecessary comment by an Obama aid, referring to Clinton as a 'monster', I think all of you, except Joeysky, have missed the real story. Calling Hillary a monster, then quite stupidly trying to retract it by stating, after the fact, the comment was off the record doesn't even come close to the other statement made in the interview. The real comment to be placed off the record is the first one, "We f***** up in Ohio!" which is far more damaging to a campaign predestined to failure simply because Obama has placed all of his audacious hope on the most fickle of voting public - teenagers! One little bump in the road and these kids will scatter like quail on a Vice President's Hunting Party! As an American citizen and a participant in some seven Presidential elections we all want the same thing: The Man, (or Woman), on the White Horse, revered and placed high upon a pedestal for all to see while in the background, backstabbing their way into the Oval Office. Perhaps Ms. Power's statement was truly OTR? Only, in this case OTR doesn't mean Off The Record. Now, let the fur fly!
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 19:34:27
post 416

Obama shares the same positions with Hillary Clinton on virtually all policies, so this comes down to character and electability.

If Obama wins the nomination, he will likely keep the majority of Democrats, minus some Clinton supporters who are upset by her loss. He will likely carry more independants than McCain, and will likely get a notable amount of moderate Republican votes.

If Clinton wins the nomination, she will likely get the majority of the Democratic vote, but will lose some upset Obama supporters. She will likely lose a notable group of moderate Democrats to McCain's cross-party appeal. She will also lose the independant and moderate Republican vote that Obama has proven he can get.

So how is Clinton the more likely of the two to win against McCain?

And as far as getting a woman in the White House is concerned, I can't stomach the idea of voting for a candidate based on what their genitalia happens to be. In today's troubled world, we need to base our decisions on who is the better candidate, regardless of if they're a man, woman, black, or white.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 19:35:15
412.WHY-
Because he Broke the Bill and Monica Story?
Yea right - I'll believe Matt Drudge afore I believe Hillary. Bill or Dan Rather.



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Ross Johnson,

Dundee, Scotland 07/03/2008 19:37:07
I will never buy your newspaper again. You have no journalistic ethics. You should be ashamed. You cannot be trusted.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 19:39:30
#423 Thank's Finally Somebody that Gets It.
And John McCain is right there with those 2 - so its a case of a 3 way tie and God help the Country.
Now I am off to Lunch .
#425
Wae to go Read it on the Net Free You Hypocrit.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 19:46:05
Daughter of Scotland,USA
Great Post

RE: 250
There is no need for the super delegates. Period. It is as antiquated a system as the Electoral College.

Go back and read the facts (in ANY article): the ELECTED OFFICIALS who make up the superdelegates have NEVER voted against popular vote. And they won't -- they want to hold on to their jobs and go with whom the popular vote deems "the winner." We don't know who that will be yet. Big states vs. more states? I don't see that being an argument. They will go with whomever has the most votes.
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Istvan,

Washington DC 07/03/2008 19:47:06
Congratulations to Gerri Peev for taking advantage of one of the brightest and most original thinkers in American foreign policy in a long time when she was clearly either tired or "tired and emotional" and then having the bravery and sangfroid to ignore her request to take back her initial, inappropriate comment! You have taken out a most valuable voice from the American foreign policy debate (and we all know how well that is going don't we?) with your singleminded devotion to the journalistic ethic of "Gotcha!" You are a credit to your profession. Well done!
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Felicia,

Kentucky 07/03/2008 19:59:56
What Powers said was terrible, but your reporter is lower than low for publishing someone's off-the-record comments, and I hope she never secures another interview of significance again.
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sad "poor lady named janet" from alabama,

usa 07/03/2008 20:02:25
i had posted a comment last night. It was in no way negative about either obama nor hillary. I stated that i was totally offended by Powers and that she attacked voters of a certain economic and social class. I am one of those voters, I stated that her Harvard degree did not do her well and her tuition was wasted. I have more common sense in my little toe than she does in big mouth.

She went beyond her bounds of attack. She hit ordinary people, not just Hillary.

I did not agree with her comments, but other people added horrible comments.....my comment was not attacking. I said there are 2 sided to every story...obama is not innocent, but I would keep my comments to my self. and That I love my country. But my comment was deleted and theirs were not.
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sad "poor lady named janet" from alabama,

usa 07/03/2008 20:03:45
i had posted a comment last night. It was in no way negative about either obama nor hillary. I stated that i was totally offended by Powers and that she attacked voters of a certain economic and social class. I am one of those voters, I stated that her Harvard degree did not do her well and her tuition was wasted. I have more common sense in my little toe than she does in big mouth.

She went beyond her bounds of attack. She hit ordinary people, not just Hillary.

I did not agree with her comments, but other people added horrible comments.....my comment was not attacking. I said there are 2 sided to every story...obama is not innocent, but I would keep my comments to my self. and That I love my country. But my comment was deleted and theirs were not.
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Angus Ogg,

07/03/2008 20:06:32
The real story here is not that Senator Obama's aide made a remark to a very poor journalist. The story is not the the Senator's assistant had the decency to resign. The story is what is the Editor of The Scotsman going to do about Gerri Peev ?

Up until now I thought that some of the comments on these boards admonishing The Scotsman were churlish and rude. A bit like going round to a friends for a drink and then criticising the furniture and wallpaper of the host whilst enjoying their hospitality.

But this Peev character has really pi55ed me off.

OFF THE RECORD MEANS OFF THE RECORD.

Where is your integrity Mr Peev ?

There are a number of people on these boards that have criticised you. Will you answer any of us?

I don't know about anyone else but I am also one of the mugs that buys the actual newspaper each day. Not that the Editor will likely be interested, but if Peev isn't disciplined, then I will protest by not buying the Scotsman anymore.

I don't think it will be on the monumental scale of the whole of Liverpool not buying the Sun newspaper after that redtop rag said scousers pi55ed on the dead at Hillsborough. The fact that you can visit an entire city and see a newspaper banned is very impressive.

No it is likely the poor old Scotsman newspaper will suffer death by a thousand cuts with circulation slowly and sadly drifting away because of mediocre and dishonourable journalists like Gerri Peev.

Shame on you.
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Amygdala,

Boston, MA 07/03/2008 20:06:55
Shame on you, Gerri Peev.

Stuff your rationalizing 'explanation' of what the rules of 'on the record' are and the 'public's need to know' and your obligation to report.

Anyone could have seen Samantha's statement was a slip. Everyone knows that feelings in campaigns like these run deep. You shed no new light on either campaign, and added nothing to the debate. All you wanted was a sound-bite that could get you some mileage, and damn the consequences to anyone else.

What a worthless, mediocre hack. Not likely to win a Pulitzer anytime soon yourself, are you?
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J. P. ,

Gainesville, FL 07/03/2008 20:08:00
I think your reporter, Geri Peev, was unjustified in saying that this comment was NOT off the record, when Samantha cleared stated, and is quoted as saying "that's off the record". I think Mr. Peev should be ashamed. He has ruined Samantha Power's career and tarnished Barack's reputation, all because this lady was trying to let him know what was really going on with the Hillary campaign. SHAME ON YOU. I expect more out of the papers and reporters in the UK - but this could land you a job at FOX NEWS!

Maybe the next time you ask to interview someone, you should preface the interview with "anything you say can and will be used against you"! I'll bet Samantha will never talk to the press again!
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sad "poor lady named janet" from alabama,

alabama USA 07/03/2008 20:08:54
i had posted a comment last night. It was in no way negative about either obama nor hillary. I stated that i was totally offended by Powers and that she attacked voters of a certain economic and social class. I am one of those voters, I stated that her Harvard degree did not do her well and her tuition was wasted. I have more common sense in my little toe than she does in big mouth.
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JElaine,

NJ USA 07/03/2008 20:19:07
#427 Dear Duchess,

Actually, the Super Delegates are a fairly new invention, not an antiquated system. They were designed to be the "Adults in the room" if things went crazy.
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Angus Ogg,

07/03/2008 20:33:25
Oh Dear,

Sorry to The Scotsman, I didn't know the paper was in such a bad way, and it has a lot to do with the substandard and poor journalism displayed by Gerri Peev. Here is a half decent, and researched article by Ciar Byrne.....

Wednesday July 10, 2002, MediaGuardian.co.uk

Http://media.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,4458690-105414,00.html

Open Quote:

Eighteen journalists are to lose their jobs at the Scotsman and the Scotland on Sunday following the shock announcement that the two papers are merging several key sections.
The jobs will go as the magazine, features, business and photographic sections become joint operations. Further cutbacks are likely.

Union representatives are meeting with management later today to consult on the plans.

Paul Holleran, the Scottish organiser for the National Union of Journalists, described the situation as "a very worrying time for the newspaper industry".

Insiders said it was no coincidence that the contract of the publisher of the Scotsman, Andrew Neil, is up for renewal in November.

"Andrew Neil is the architect of every detail of these plans right down to the headcount," a source said.

The sports desks on the daily and Sunday paper could be next to merge while Mr Neil is also considering buying in the papers' business content from London-based Sunday paper the Business, which, like Scotsman Publications, is owned by the reclusive Barclay brothers.

The papers' features operation will suffer most from the proposals. Mr Neil plans to make more use of syndicated copy, but people close to the paper believe this is the wrong approach.

"The Scotsman is supposed to be an upmarket newspaper and syndicates generally supply downmarket copy," said one.

They believe Scotsman bosses have failed to address the real reasons for the paper's decline, including the adoption of a rightwing anti-euro, anti-devolution stance in the traditionally liberal east of Scotland.

Five new posts are planned at the two p
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Angus Ogg,

Campbeltown 07/03/2008 20:35:17
Five new posts are planned at the two papers to bring out circulation-boosting supplements on a regular basis.

The editor of the Scotsman, Ian Martin, was on holiday when staff learnt of the plans in an email yesterday.
The paper has been through a turbulent patch, going through five editors in as many years and haemorrhaging circulation.
A £5m relaunch two years ago introduced a new tabloid arts and features section and temporarily cut the cover price to 20p. But although circulation initially rose to just over 100,000, it has fallen 10% to 70,178 over the last year to May.
Sales of Scotland on Sunday fell 9% to 78,064 over the same period.

The Barclay brothers, who bought the titles in 1995, were reported in November to have made annual losses of £13.5m on their media interests, while profits from Scotsman Publications fell from £5.8m to £1.3m.


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Korrd,

Virginia 07/03/2008 21:02:51
The Clinton campaign is now walking over the First Ammendment. While calling Hillary a monster might be offensive to her its no worse then anything I've called her in the past. Its also not a breach of any law and to call foul on it is the same as saying we shouldn't have free speech. I know both democratic candidates are socialists if not outright communists but they're protected under the same Constitution as every other American citizen. Also in reply to a number of posts about journalistic reliability. The good business of journalism has been going downhill since World War II. Today's news agencies have gone the way that the news agencies went before and durin the Spanish-American War. Look up the term yellow journalism if you don't understand.
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ACunningham,

Boston, MA 07/03/2008 21:04:14
Gerri Peev. How does it feel to act like a thorough bred two-bit reporter? You have even gotten yourself gigs all over American network TV's. Wow, you are doing well for yourself. How much do you pay your agents? Or do you get to pocket all the porfits yourself.

Desperate Freakish behaviour will NOT will earn you or your newspaper the weazle sctosman many fans.

You are PATHETIC and DESPERATE...
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tyson,

Severna Park 07/03/2008 21:04:50
427 - The superdelegates were initiated after 1972 when youthful enthusiasts "hijacked" the Democratic Party and ended up nominating the un-electable McGovern who was hammered by Tricky-Dick Nixon at the polls. The party Muldoons, meeting in a smoke filled room, vowed never again, and set up the super delegate system to make sure that the "professionals" retained control of the party. So much for democracy. In the U.S., political parties are legally able to do whatever they want to select a candidate, so long as they are able to pay for the mechanism they choose to use.
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Nancy Lou,

New York 07/03/2008 21:08:12
Wow. In the states, when we say 'that was off the record' following a statement that means it is OFF THE RECORD!! It seems Ms Peev has been taking some lessons from Hillary and looking out for her own self interest as well. Fame and power at any cost is unconscionable. This exact type of greed and selfishness are the cause of much suffering in the world. To quote the campaign 'Shame on you!'
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Gareof,

Frisco,CA 07/03/2008 21:09:11
she doesn't LOOK life a monster - she looks like a silly little ol' lady...but don't let her fool you...she's one of the 3 socialists monsters; obama lama ding dong, hillbillary and mad mad mad mad mad mcain, who want to be president of the greatest capitalist republic in the world...Why? so they can put those "uppity" masses in their place...do away with borders, (one world) do away with the dollar (cashless one world economy) do away with Christ (one world religion) coming sooner rather than later folks
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Lorimer,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 21:09:45
I assume that this creates a precedent that every time someone involved in Scottish politics says comments to a Scotsman journo "off the record" that they will get will get splashed across the front page. Unfortunately it wont happen......
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Michael Patton,

St. Louis, MO 07/03/2008 21:10:30
I'm officially done with Hillary. She is everything Samantha Power says she is. She is dying and this is her thrashing out of the darkness. I can't wait for the day to be rid of her. She is a liar. Saying she and John McCain are ready to be Commander in Chief, but you'd have to ask Obama if he is? People with some integrity are ready to be our president which she does not have at all. She has a complex, she thinks she is the only one who can lead this country. Even if Obama loses, which he won't, he is going to be our president one day. If Hillary wins the nomination I will volunteer for McCain.
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baile,

Dublin 07/03/2008 21:11:04
No wonder our profession is so maligned. As a fellow journalist, it must be said that what you did - for the simple reason(and no other) of a scoop- is completely disgusting and just adds fuel to the fire for those who think journalism belongs in the gutter - perhaps, after what you did, maybe it does
Despite your rather ridiculous explanation, Gerri, as an experienced journo, you know when 'off the record' is off the record, otherwise you wouldn't be doing the job.
You knew what Samantha Power said to you wasn't for public consumption - and yet you relayed it to the public. What does that make you?
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Angus Ogg,

07/03/2008 21:17:47
The Scotsman Circulation

Or alternatively.... The Gerri Peev Standard Of Journalism Effect.....

2000 100,000 +
2001 79,000
2002 82,270
2003 72,200
2004 69,600
2005 65,392
2006 57,866
2007 55,175
2008 53,520

(2008 = Worse if you discount the freebies and giveaway copies, then its only 47,551. Good grief, the journo's must all be desperately scribbling out their cv's for the imminent P45's)

Any answers on this board from the new editor Mike Gilson. Editor number 7 in 10 years ???
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morgan2202,

07/03/2008 21:36:45
What shoddy journalism all around. Do you Scottish "journalists" not understand what off-the-record means.

Slimy, tabloid style journalism. Hope your career crashes and burns.
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ClintonSuffrage(sic!),

Princeton, USA 07/03/2008 21:38:51
I watched Gerri Peev's appearance on MSNBC on Friday afternoon New York time. I was a bit sorry for the girl - she was all red and flustered and seemed genuinely upset ("sad, she said) about stirring this whole thing up and she also portrayed as some with a CONSCIENCE.

And then, I came here and read her story and I feel that I've been had by yet another vixen (it's too long a list for this post but, yes, it does include the very untrustworthy Mrs. Clinton). How could Peev report what her interviewee said is OFF THE RECORD? Peev and Scotsman: damned shame on you.

[Lest you take comfort in the assumption that I'm yet another jilted, male chauvinistic pig, sorry I won't give that satisfaction. I truly belong to a matriarchal family. My wife is smarter, more educated, earns more, makes the key decisions and I'd have loved to have a woman in the Oval Office. So then again, you're and your rag are damed shame!)
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Westmacott,

US 07/03/2008 21:39:19
OK, Let's try this again!!!

SAMANTHA POWERS WAS WRONG!!!
Geri Peevs was correct in using whatever Ms. Powers said!

THE ONLY TIME THAT "OFF THE RECORD" CAN BE INVOKED IS PRIOR TO AN INTERVIEW!!!

I do not know why some folks cannot get this simple rule through their heads.

THIS IS WHY ORGANIZATIONS HIRE "COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTORS."

THIS IS WHY GROUPS APPOINT "SPOKESMEN."

THIS IS WHY INTELLIGENT FOLKS ARE LEERY OF SPEAKING TO THE PRESS.

Intelligent people KNOW that it is easy to "get carried away" with the passions of the moment.

This is why SMART folks do not volunteer to speak to the press without HUGE preparations.

Folks who take liberal arts in college take journalism and this is always stressed. There is no way in the world that Ms. Powers hasn't had journalism classes and been well warned of how things worked. In fact, her "lack of common sense" prevailed over her supposed knowledge (which is why I questioned how she "earned" her credentials).

Ms. Powers said, “this is so sad” but what is really “sad” is her own actions.

[baile: I do not know where you went to j-school, but it was a very strange variation. "Off the record" is NEVER RETROACTIVE, (and never has been).]

[Nancy Lou: Clearly, you have never taken a journalism class in your life. Please, educate yourself before you spread untruths!]

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Carolyn 1,

07/03/2008 21:41:19
The New York Times won a Pulitzer Prize for publishing classified information leaked to them. They did not think national security information was 'off the record'.

I hope The Scotsman will get a Pulitzer next year for exposing the Obama campaign.
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E M Strauss,

New Hampshire, USA 07/03/2008 21:43:12
The interviewee clearly said that her comment was off the record. I'm surprised that the reporter did not have more ethics in this regard, and used the excuse that the whole interview had to be on or off the record before it started. I sincerely doubt she would want herself quoted off the record, and has probably made comments to other journalists that she would not like reported. Her desire to get famous overtook her moral judgment, and this is a good example of why people are fed up with the media- no matter what country they come from. Perhaps she will find it difficult to get interviews in the future, now that everyone knows that she cannot be trusted as a reporter.
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ClintonSuffrage(sic!),

Princeton, USA 07/03/2008 21:46:24
Following up on my previous message posted as ClintonSuffrage(sic!)...sorry about the typos in that message. Here's something Scotsman readers have to contemplate: your editors and Ms. Peev might have just shot any chances of a change of attitude and culture in Washington DC - particularly w/ re: to "forn policy". Me thought the whole of Europe would have done anything to get the chimp (and associated ignorance of the world) out of the oval office. But Scotsman would rather sell a few more rags by reporting something that was said OFF THE F***ing record!
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wrlucas,

Kansas 07/03/2008 21:47:31
I am a strong Obama supporter, but your printing this story was a violation of journalism integrity. Something said in frustration is not necessarily the “true feelings.” You claimed later on MSNBC that you didn’t intend to cost someone their job. I am sorry but that is a lie. You knew exactly what would happen. You should be ashamed. Once again, instead of talking about real issues, the mass media goes off on another shark eating frenzy over something that simply does not matter.
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mediavalet,

New York City 07/03/2008 21:48:45
I just watched Ms. Peev, on MSNBC, (here in the colonies), with Nora O'Donnell.

I wish she would see this comment, but as that likely never happens, I will have to make my comment to whomever you are.

It seemed disingenuous for Ms. Peev to defend the inclusion of this remark, and solemnly say that it would be irresponsible of her to not report Ms. Power calling Sen. Clinton, "a monster." Irresponsible? As you fellows in the Kingdom would say, Bullocks!

I only say this because I am willing to bet, dollars for donuts, (I like donuts), that every single word that Ms. Power uttered, was not included in the article.

Therefore, Ms. Peev picked and chose what she would use, and I'm sure she gleefully included Ms. Power's unfortunate quote, that she unsuccessfully attempted to retract. She chose to include that quote, and left other utterances, those not news worthy, like, "hey, I like your shoes," out. She made an editorial choice. A choice means discretion, and she chose to include the quote. And, I would say that clearly she is fully entitled to do so, whether it was a morally justifiable thing to do or not.

But, let's be clear, a published interview is not the same as a court proceeding providing an exact transcript indicating every, er, hm, and uh, let alone every exchange between them.

Out of the transcript, Ms. Peev is entitled to print whatever she wants, and again it was unfortunate that MS. Power made those remarks.

But to say she had to report it, is a BS excuse, and her sheepish demeanor on MSNBC, showed her to be a hypocrite with this explanation.

Ms. Power's career is now derailed as a result of Ms. Peev's, tabloid journalism. I can only hope that she also now finds her career stunted, as other news worthy subjects either decline to be interviewed by her, or think twice before ever holding her in confidence.

Unless the Scotsman has endorsed Sen. Clinton, this story makes no sense. In fact, if Ms. Peev was smart, she probably shoul
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mediavalet,

New York City 07/03/2008 21:51:38
(I guess there's a limit here...)


So, unless the Scotsman has endorsed Sen. Clinton, this story makes no sense. In fact, if Ms. Peev was smart, she probably should have sold the story to an actual tabloid, who would have paid her the equivalent of a months salary that you pay her as a reporter for it.

That said, as a New York resident, and a constituent of Sen. Clinton, I would say that calling her a monster, is an insult to non schizophrenic monsters worldwide, who would take umbrage at being compared to a looney like Sen. Clinton.

Like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, we here have no idea one moment to the next, which one of her many personalities is going to show up. One minute it's Sen. Jekyl, the next, it's Sen. Hyde.

I think Hyde was a monster, wasn't he?
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ACunningham,

07/03/2008 22:04:11
My gosh, Gerri Peev. You really are a media W***E! I am flipping through various American network tV stations and you are truly getting your name and face out there. Do you actually expect to become an over night Star on this side of the pond?

PATHETIC...Absolutely Low-Life Slimey Tabloid Standard writing!!!!!!
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R. Vallee,

Washington D.C. 07/03/2008 22:04:55
Great job Gerri. Samantha Power lost her job. Congratulations on the scoop.
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Sambo,

The deep south 07/03/2008 22:07:42
Mrs. Clinton has Lot's of skeletons in her closet. I guess with both candidates running "neck and neck" Lot's of darts are going to be thrown. She has much to disclose to the American people before she can claim title to the presidency. You guys in the UK should be very wary because whatever the outcome it will effect you tremendously.
I read the blogs daily, you can banter back and forward about socialist this and socialist that but, at the end of the day with either one of them in office this world is going to be one "helluva scary place".
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ClintonSuffrage(sic!),

Princeton, USA 07/03/2008 22:08:12
Westmacott:
What does Journalism school teach about SCREAMING needlessly? Of are you too frigging young to fling your diaper around? So, Peev listens in silence with heart pounding in excitement that Powers screwed up and doesn't know the Rules of Journalese since she f* never went to J school. And she runs to papa, who screams Eureka and they run to bank (via the make up dept., the US TV networks, the audit bureau of circulation) and along the way they caught sanctimonious, petty driftwood such as you. And never have they asked themselves the rectitude of it all nor have they passed it by Powers to see if she'd retract. The irony of it is that the whole bloody world (the sCcotsman and its readership included) want the Republicans out. Keep your ballocks warm, Westmacott, until the day McCain trounces Clinton like in a hell-fire. Keep you ballocks and come here again and scream.
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Julie Hayden,

Upstate New York 07/03/2008 22:09:27
As a resident of New York, I can attest to the fact that Hillary Clinton has done none of the things she said she would do when she carpetbagged her way up here to run for senate.

She promised Western New York 500,000 new jobs with her "10 point plan for economic development" yet we've lost a net 30,000 and our towns and cities continue to decay.

Her so-called "experience" has done nothing for the millions of people who live in New York under her "stewardship." All along her senate seat was only meant to be a stepping stone, but she stepped right over us, the poorest counties in the state on her way to the White House - that she will NEVER win.

So what if Samantha Power thinks she's a monster? In my view Gerri Peev grabbed the gold ring for a minute of infamy, but lost any credibility as a journalist. The Scotsman's editors were derelict in their duty and simply hoped to get some attention.

Well, you got it, but you've just reminded all of us in the U.S. why Scotland is what it is - behind your leash holder, England, a second rate country.
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SouthernGent,

07/03/2008 22:19:11
Don't you just love the "Blame Game".

Ms. Powers needs to be held accountable for her own actions or words - - period.

There wouldn't be 400+ comments here if she had only kept it to herself.
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Husky43,

Denver, Colorado, USA 07/03/2008 22:22:04
I was going to put a comment on here but I see that you have removed all the comments that reflect unfavorably on you "Newspaper". Therefore I conclude that your newspaper is located in no-critique zone such as a third world country instead of a free and noble land such as Scotland. Sad excuse for a newspaper.
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ClintonSuffrage(sic!),

Princeton, USA 07/03/2008 22:28:00
#399, Portsmouth, RI:
1. Vince Foster
2. Whitewater
3. Why the f* does he need an intern?
4. Retracts some vicious, racist comments she made against Indians
5. She's shown empathy for women around the world but what has she DONE?
6. She's smarter than to be home baking cookies like them (she said once) - [have they forgotten?!?!]
7. People don't trust her - not the independents, a sizeable chunk of democrats, and definitely not the majority of world leaders
8. She choked when she was losing, she put out desperate and vicious lies when she was down
9. She says she won FLorida and Michigan. Excuse me?!?
10. At 3am, when the call comes in, who's she going to call? She won't consult Bill at her bedside (assuming he still sleeps with her)? What exactly is she bringing here, eh?

Now, I haven't started about her foreign policy experience. Is it any different or richer than the "forn" policy of the last 8 years? Of the misguided, apathetic years prior to the current presidency? Nary a word about Iraq.

Got more lists? We stupid Americans! I guess Osama would be laughing his heart out - he'd never have expected this country to implode like this and still be so blind and ignorant about the world. We're still just one large, ignorant, arrogant, John Birch Society.
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Sambo,

The deep south 07/03/2008 22:29:49
Julie #462
Julie you need to calm down, we have carpetbaggers, just look at Rockefeller in West Va.
When all the washing is "hung out to dry" I think the American people will be clear on who should occupy the oval orifice.
The presidency of the US is too great an office in these troubled times to be given to "rookies" or carpetbaggers.
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Sambo,

The deep south 07/03/2008 22:38:44
I believe that the elections held on Tuesday moved many voters from Obama and it was done to draw the Democratic race closer. This will cause more money to be spent by each candidate prior to the nomination this summer. Neither candidate is willing to concede, why should they?
The Democratic party is going to be in tatters.
Here in the deep south, we encouraged many Alabama supporters by claiming Obamas first name was George, thus the slogan "GoBama".
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 07/03/2008 22:38:57

Julie Hayden,
Upstate New York
-----------------------------------
U wrote;

that she will NEVER win.

How do U know she (Hillary) will never win Dude.

Or is that ur opinion. Opinions are not scientific in any respect.

She won the Senate seat in NY, so why should she not win the White House

U, cannot stop her . All U can do is squawk dude.

And as James Bond would say "Never say Never" dude.

Happy SD (squawk day)

GC
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ClintonSuffrage(sic!),

07/03/2008 22:41:09
#276 msophia:
What is your pedigree then? High birth? Great upbringing but yet cocooned in the same Americana of the last 50 years? Isn't that the WHOLE frigging problem. And to say that you'll be safe if you have Hillary in the White House. SIC! Sounds like you're one of those women who are better off staying home and baking cookies. Actually, you probably are. How else would you be assured with her in the White Hs? Like most Americans you know nothing about what the world is about. Like most of America, the brute economic force and hence the military strength you have enjoyed for decades has blinded you to what has changed radically. You don't see what will change the world, the need for synchronizing our ambition and plans and military or machiavellian strategies (we still need that) with world affairs. Acting tough is going to win? That stupid mistake has been made. Being tough is different from posturing tough!! No one in the world gives fig about Hilary! Open your eyes! SInce you've come here to post your comments (probably thanks to your girlfriends; or, how would you ever have known about Scotsman at all!!!), you might as well take an extra step towards, The Guardian, Le Monde, The Times, Frankfurter Al., Der Ziet, New Strait Times, Sydney Morning Herald, The Hindu, etc. just to get a sense of what the world thinks. Fell free to vent there!
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 22:45:52
Well, you got it, but you've just reminded all of us in the U.S. why Scotland is what it is - behind your leash holder, England, a second rate country.
Are you ans American Indian ? If not I would love to know what second rate Country Your Ancestry comes from ?

As an Ex-Pat living in the US for 40 odd years I take acception to your Crap ..
"Wha's Like us Damn Few and ther awe Deid"
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Bea,

New Jersey, USA 07/03/2008 22:46:20
Hillary Clinton is a remarkable woman and it saddens me to see so much hatred is directed at her. I was privileged to campaign for her in New Jersey and was able to meet her on more than one occasion. She's one of the smartest people in any room, she's also the type of person who will always remember to ask about your spouse and children. In meetings she listens to everyone's opinions and draws out those who are initially too shy to participate.

There are many instances of Hillary's small kindness to people that are not reported by the media. I'll give you an example as told by a woman whose husband broke his back in 2001 and became a quadriplegic. This woman joined an online support group, when Christopher Reed died the group was devastated because they had lost their biggest advocate. Some time later, the group decided to hold a rally at a park in Washington DC. The lady described the first rally as "pitiful" poorly attended and no media coverage. Well, guess who showed up? Hillary Clinton who was not running for anything at the time. She came with no fanfare, addressed the audience and made a point of shaking the hand of every person in a wheelchair at the event. Hillary attended the following year's rally and the year after that and, according to the woman, earned the group's respect and admiration. There are many stories of this type which only a few people know because Hillary makes a point of doing these things in private.

The most moving endorsement of any candidate this election season was the one given to Hillary by the NY firefighters. They explained why they were endorsing her and concluded by saying:

"She's our hero"........

Well, she IS the hero to millions of people who see in her a fighter for the downtrodden and those who have no voice.
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Sambo,

GoBama 07/03/2008 22:51:16
#468
Ah, I see the child is back from Austin. Did you're parents drive you? or did you just sit in the back of the car. By the way where I'm from a lady is not a dude!!
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R. Vallee,

07/03/2008 22:52:18
Hillary is a monster and she would rather destroy the democratic party than lose the nomination.
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ClintonSuffrage(sic!),

Princeton, USA 07/03/2008 22:52:51
#471:
Oh, come on, Bea: don't make her out to be some Mandela or Gandhi! It doesn;'t look like you're capable of any skepticism nor having done any due diligence about her past and all the things she said including some very racist remarks about people of other races and countries. This will all come out in due time, rest assured. By the way, are you home baking cookies or do you work too?
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From LaLaLand,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 22:59:10
May I point out, it clearly states in this article that Powers was promoting her book and it was established that the conversation was ON THE RECORD from the beginning. Powers was clearly flustered and angry that Obama lost Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island. Her true feelings came out. Kudos to the Scotsman (which I have been reading online for more than 3 years among other UK papers) and Peev for revealing the inside thinking of the Obama camp.

The latest polls show Clinton CAN beat McCain. That must tick them off as well.

Some of Powers' comments and attacks on Ohio are quite odd but obviously came from a place of anger and frustration.

Now they know how Hillary Clinton supporters have been feeling the past few months.

I don't know what Hillary Clinton personally did to so many people to hate her so much. Did she take your first born? Steal your milk money? Why so much hatred for this intelligent, strong, decisive woman of substance???
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Sambo,

07/03/2008 23:01:31
Bea, #471,
I know you are a nice person, you have obviously been enchanted by her personality. She does cry, you know.
Have you ever watched the movie "Primary Colours"?
It is so touching and heartwarming. Have you sent in you're taxes yet for 2007?
Hillary hasn't.
What about the secret documents that were "stolen" from the national archives on events during her husbands reign in office by Sandy Berger?
Remember Vince Foster? White Watergate?
All skeletons that are going to drift out of her closet between now and July.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 23:09:13
portsmouth,

I am agreeing with you about the sexist guy you were referring to. I should have explained it better. There are way to many sexists out there. Thanks for your Hillary support.
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jaqueline,

07/03/2008 23:11:59
Sambo

Have you seen you make up things about your next president. And that movie was just that. Or are you one of these people that live with their heads in the clouds?
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Xenophile American,

NYC 07/03/2008 23:12:13
The UK can count on never having interviews again. Well done Gerri. In a week or less people will have forgotten you and your ridiculous article. But the media will feel the lasting impact for generations.

Cheers.

PS to the above post. Polls are rubbish. They also had Hillary up by now. And McCain out of the race. Rubbish. I know that poll isn't the only thing that you're citing. Ameircan elections are always won by the middle (indie voter). Clinton has no appeal with these voters. Period everything else is spin and smokescreening.
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Bea,

New Jersey, USA 07/03/2008 23:13:06
Hillary is no saint, but she's definitely not a monster either and I was just trying to humanize her for people who don't know her personally and are only going by the hate spewed by certain groups for the last 16 years.

I know many stories of Hillary's basic decency. Like the story I heard from the parents of a girl who had been gravely ill and didn't have medical insurance. Hillary convinced the hospital to treat her at no cost. The parents were obviously grateful for her help, but what astounded them was the handwritten birthday cards from Hillary that their daughter has been receiving ever since that date.

Does that sound like the actions of a "monster"?
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John Hussein,

London 07/03/2008 23:17:10
Hillary is a monster, she totally lied obout Nafta then blamed Obama, what a lier...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOLEK2lr3CM
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Sambo,

The deep south 07/03/2008 23:18:25
See, the way I see things...
You go through this carnival called life. You do good things, you raise a family, go serve you're country. You vote. You work hard all you're life, you have grandchildren, you believe in a "supreme being" maybe you're not exactly sure about that but you share this planet with roughly 6 billion people, most of whom want to pursue, peace, happiness and a better life to be made for their offspring.
Life is a matter of choices, sometimes we choose wrong and it has consequences further down the stream.
I chose, long time ago to go to America, terrific place, best thing I ever did. However I do love the nation of my birth, Scotland. I see her every year.
Thank you America for giving me that opportunity.
I sincerly hope that in the coming election in November my fellow Americans will make the right decision.
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John Hussein,

London 07/03/2008 23:19:25
Oh yes and your scotsman reporter got it wrong too...

Hillary started Nafta-gate, and is going down for Peter paul to, watch the court cases coming soon....
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jerhein,

New York 07/03/2008 23:20:42
Hillary Clinton has been behaving like a monster.

Samantha Power only expressed what I believe a majority of people in our country think about Hillary and her behavior in this campaign.

She is an extraordinarily needed person for our government in my opinion and should not have resigned. An apology was enough. Especially considering the language and tactics used by Clinton in this election!
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Katty,

Bannockburn 07/03/2008 23:21:15

Well done Hillary, you shamed the press into giving both candidates the same treatment, and just look what happened when the spotlight was directed on Obama, My God the man had warts after all, and would you believe it he cannot walk on water, neither can his staff.

Good for you girl. Postal vote from Bannockburn coming your way in the fall.

Well done THE SCOTSMAN.. There is a first for everthing




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jerhein,

new york 07/03/2008 23:22:36
PS I think your reporter is a jerk for not letting her remarks be off the record. Congrats you scored your little point and the world is much worse off for it.
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Bea,

07/03/2008 23:24:11
#474 in Princeton, NJ

It's upsetting to see that someone from my state could make such sexist remarks. Yes, I can bake cookies when I choose to and I also hold a professional job. Like millions of my brethren, I work in a highly competitive field and also manage a household. One more reason to support Hillary IMO, we women KNOW what it is to multitask and have to work harder than most men just to prove that we can compete in the work place.
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Sambo,

07/03/2008 23:29:00
#478 Jacqueline
No Jacqueline, I certainly don't live in "the clouds" unless you are referring to my daily state of happiness in "cloud nine". My point was to show how a candidate can sway people using emotions, which John Travolta did portraying Bill in the movie. Remember when he sat in the library and spoke of his hero uncle.
I was never a hero, however I served my country as a draftee for over twenty years. Not bad for a kid from the slums and debris of bombed out Clydebank Scotland.
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Appella,

USA!! 07/03/2008 23:46:48
Gerri Peev is typical of the european press no ethics. Off the record means just that or is she unable to ascertain the definition of the words. Seems her style of jounalism fits would fit right in with an amoral publication like the national enquirer
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Sambo,

The deep south 07/03/2008 23:48:23
#488 Bea.
I applaud you, you are the kind of person that makes this great country work.
Let's keep it strong.
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I eat cookies wrapped in scotch tape,

08/03/2008 00:03:53
I consider it very unlikely that American voters will give a tartan fark about the writings of Gerri Peev.

(I thought she was a guy, by the way)
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freespeech06,

Chicago, Illinois 08/03/2008 00:09:13
When that red phone rings in the White House at 3 am. Obama should answer that call. He can then put on a tele-conferencing call, Samantha Powers, his former foregin policy advisor and Harvard professor, and Austan Goolsbee, Ms Power's colleague, expert on the North America Free Trade Agreement (Nafta). The aggregate experience of these three on US foreign policy is simply overwhelming!!!

The Scotsman is to be commended for quoting Ms. Power's comments accurately. There is no indication that anyone agreed to leave out her comments if she says 'off the record'.
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freespeech06,

Chicago, Illinois 08/03/2008 00:09:14
When that red phone rings in the White House at 3 am. Obama should answer that call. He can then put on a tele-conferencing call, Samantha Powers, his former foregin policy advisor and Harvard professor, and Austan Goolsbee, Ms Power's colleague, expert on the North America Free Trade Agreement (Nafta). The aggregate experience of these three on US foreign policy is simply overwhelming!!!

The Scotsman is to be commended for quoting Ms. Power's comments accurately. There is no indication that anyone agreed to leave out her comments if she says 'off the record'.
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indune1,

08/03/2008 00:17:54
443 - You are deluded with regard to "off the record".

Nothing is off the record! Got it? It is the first rule of media relations.

The other thing about this whole story is that supposedly, super-intelligent, media-savvy people who advise future leaders can be so incredibly stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Ms. Power has now preserved her reputation in the pantheon of "los stupidos politicos".

She spoke the truth but such truths can be twisted by the fifth estate, that so morally righteous enterprise - and that is what it is - a business.
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indune1,

08/03/2008 00:23:49

488 Bea - " like millions of my brethren". Surely, a misspeak or are you a member of the "millions" of the Plymouth "Brethren"? If so, I fail to see the relevance of your comment.

Surely, you meant "millions of my sisters"?
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Sambo,

The deep south 08/03/2008 00:54:39
Indune.
I think Bea is enamoured with the prospect of a woman getting into the white house. It won't be the first time a woman has run for this office.
My concern is that we don't need a Nancy Pelosi feel gooder type person in charge. We don't need a president that will break into tears, wiether they are crocodile or whatever to fuel the emotions of the people she might be talking too that fits the agenda.
We need a president that will stand up against the rougue states of this planet.
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Azar,

Wheaton, IL, USA 08/03/2008 01:00:08
Well, I think the Canadians and Scotish have decided to side with Senator Clinton. This evening, I saw Gerri Peev on MSNBC shows. Her answer was not plausible at all. As a result of Canadian fiasco and her reporting, I very much doubt that our leaders will grant them interviews.

By the way, my friends and I are Senator Obama supporters and we will not vote for Senator Clinton if she gets the nomination with the help of the super delegates, Canadians and / or Scotish or by cheating.
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jaqueline,

USA 08/03/2008 01:05:11
Vallee,
(Hillary is a monster)

Hillary is not a monster. She is a wonderful person and will be the next American president. And you Obama people saying this horrible, horrible, horrible lies about Hillary are low. And it is horrible lies like this that make Hillary supporters stay a million miles away from your guy.

If your guy slides in you lose. Without us you lose in a landslide to Mc Cain. Understand..............?

And Obama and people like you are destroying the democratic party. Real DEMS are people that work their tails off for their local parties several times a year. Not once every four years. And the money we donate several times a year to keep the party going you Obama people in mass never will do. Us real DEMS can do without people like you. But the DEM party can't make it without people like us. The real backbone of the DEM party.

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Old Master,

Ohio, USA 08/03/2008 01:27:45
A long time ago, around the time of the founding of the United States of America, someone said, and I'm paraphrasing, "The American system of government will survive only until the people realize they can vote themselves money and other benefits from the government, after which America will collapse." I firmly believe this, and the successes of the remaining candidates prove the correctness of the prophesy.

To the rest of the world: America is on its way out. You may mourn or cheer, but prudent nations, especially those which have benefitted from American largesse, would be well advised to prepare accordingly. Oh, it won't happen tomorrow...you have time yet to wean yourself...but America is going the way of all the other great, but increasingly decadent, empires. And this warning comes from someone who has been a proud American for sixty-three years, but who is more and more convinced that we have become a shallow, selfish, largely illiterate, and doomed people.

I weep for my country.
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jaqueline,

USA 08/03/2008 01:33:03
Sambo,

Hillary is a wonderful person. And she will be the next president. What a sexist like you is going to do? Move??

Goood bye...
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Nellie,

Liverpool 08/03/2008 01:42:37
#11 Administrator. Please complete the "reason" field so we may know why a comment has been deleted. Thanks.
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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 01:45:05
499
jaqueline, you very stupid girl.

If Hillary is such a good "DEM", then why does she disparage Obama in favour of McCain?

The Clinton campaign is the monster for turning the race into a mudslinging contest bringing race and religion to the forefront. Disgusting.

Get your head out of Hillary's butt and get some fresh air. Hillary may steal the primary, but she will never beat McCain. Make a note of it and reflect on it Nov. 4th.
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jaqueline,

USA 08/03/2008 01:46:41
Hillary told the truth about NAFTA and Obamas involvement with it. And the Canadians the first time told the truth. Until the Obama camp pressured them that is to take it back. People that voted for Hillary in Ohio saw right through Obama the con man.

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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 01:57:16
Hillary's truth about NAFTA

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pBheLrsMh4E
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indune1,

08/03/2008 02:08:48
Hillary is a wonderful person?

The people who have said this hopefully have worked with this woman. They know her to be so.

If not, what an imbelicic statement.

She is a politician who got an inside groove by being the wife of one of slickest con-artists in American political history.

Why would she also stick with a guy who not only embarassed her by lying to her and the folks of Arkansas - not once but twice. and then doing so on the most international of scales (Lewinsky)?

Only explanation? He is the ticket to her ultimate ambition.

NAFTA? Her hubby signed the agreement. Where was she then defending the economic security of Ohio?

She is a mile wide and a micron thin.
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jaqueline,

08/03/2008 02:16:34
R. Vallee

Watch your mouth. And your the one lacking brains. From the lies you tell about Hillary and Obama the world can see you need help.

And if you had two brain cells to rub together you would know that your GOD will never be president. And I am a strong woman like billions of other women around the world. To bad for you. You would have loved living a thousand years ago.

My fellow women this is the kind of hatred so many women have to face everyday. The lack of respect is stomach turning. Vote for a strong experienced woman, vote for Hillary. The first woman president in Americas 200 plus year history. Take a stand for womanhood across America. Take a stand against sexist who want women to have their place in society. Show them a woman commander in chief.


Good bye sexist
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 08/03/2008 02:29:26
Jaqueline,
You need to get a grip: just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a sexist. Here you are crying about Clinton being called a name, and you're turning around and doing the same thing. You're not doing your argument any favors.
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indune1,

08/03/2008 02:35:51

Oh my. Jaqueline you are misguided, if not deluded.

Hillary is an opportunist and has a convenient memory -not to mention a forgiving nature.

You defend her potential to become President solely on the basis of her gender.

Her record on healthcare is a disaster: her record on Iraq, was and is a case of watch the bouncing ball.

I believe you have just embarassed the feminist movement.

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DaughterofScotland,

USA 08/03/2008 02:42:42
I would LOVE to see a woman in the Oval Office ...
but not Hillary Clinton. She doesn't get to claim "experience" based on her husband's past job. If that were the case, I could boast of my "experience" being one of the best computer software architects in the nation -- because my husband is. Hmm. Trust me, "experience" doesn't come to you by osmosis.

What I want MOST is to have the right PERSON in office. Not based on gender, not based on color.
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Dean Trippe,

Nashville, TN, USA 08/03/2008 02:48:16
Great job. By running an off-the-record comment in order to make some flashy news, you have cost my country's best candidate the guidance of one of the most intelligent and desperately needed voices in politics.

Sen. Clinton HAS run an incredibly dirty campaign and her presidency would be yet another win for power-hungry agents of mediocrity.
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indune1,

08/03/2008 02:50:51
512 - bloody well said. Ever think of running for office?

You are the type of person any democracy needs.

Your statement has made my evening.
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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 03:07:22
indune1
Samantha Powers won a Pulitzer prize for "A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide" in 2003.

She served Obama as a foreign policy academic, not as a political adviser. She wasn't just some mouthpiece gone awry.
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indune1,

08/03/2008 03:14:45

R. Vallee - sorry, but she has represented herself to many media outlets as Obama's foreign policy advisor.

And yes. she has spoken to the media as an Obama spokesperson. ( mouthpiece, to use your term).

Bottom line. Policy wonk thinks she is more savvy than most in the biggest stakes of all.

Sound of buzzer. Trapdoor opens, so descends Ms. Powers.

Perhaps the title of her second potential Pulitzer prize winner should be entitled: Problem from Hell Part II.
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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 03:27:33
true dat,... I just wanted to emphasize Ms. Power's integrity and it's a shame she just fell thru the trap door. Gerri Peev looked liked she felt really bad on t.v. and I wouldn't be surprised if she loses sleep tonight. She should have let the comments be off the record and deep down she knows it.

The great thing about political campaigns is that if Obama gets the nom, she'll be right back on board because Republicans would never hold those statements against her :)
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KFED,

USA 08/03/2008 03:31:42
jaqueline,USA is an internet troll for the Clinton campaign.

Also folks, get a clue!!! Ms. Powers new from the start of her interview that it was ON THE RECORD, ON THE RECORD, ON THE RECORD!

Did it sink in??? Obamanation is losing grip with reality!
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joey t,

Chicago, IL USA 08/03/2008 03:43:22
Hello:

By saying "off the record" the Pulitzer Prize-winning Harvard professor knew she was on the record. Had the story been about Sen. Clinton's aide calling Sen. Obama a monster it darn well would have been published and Ms. Peev would be at CNN headquarters being congratulated for taking down Sen. Clinton. Something Sen. Obama has not been able to do, much to the media's consternation. The media, including Clinton supporters, are already rehabilitating Ms Power. Her days in politics are not nearly over. She made an error in judgment in the heat of exhaustion and she rectified it.

The general public doesn’t believe her comments were at all malicious in nature – just irresponsible and inappropriate – indicative of inexperience, which is all the voting public wants to know. To see who Senator Obama is and what his people are really doing. I imagine the world stage would also be interested.

I am neutral toward both candidates. What concerns me is the lack of fair treatment by the media of both candidates and the negativity and venom that is draining the world of goodness, when there is more than enough hate in the world.

Sexism has been a very real issue in this election and the media refuses to admit it exists. Race, religion, and sexual orientation have already been challenged and let go – but sexism continues to go unchallenged. This is the real reason why Sen Clinton is still in the race. The middle-aged women who fought for womens’ equality, much as did Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. did for blacks, see the daily meida bashing of Hillary (Much worse than anything Sen. Obama’s camp has done or will ever do.) and are rallying behind her. The younger generation has enjoyed the fruits of their fight, and I argue that Ms. Power would not be where she is today without Sen. Clinton’s generation.

The elephant in the room is: "But if you are poor and she (Hillary) is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be mor
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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 03:44:13
KFED
Maybe Gerri Peev can tell herself that enough to help her sleep at night. She should've let it slide.

Samantha Power was a champion for the victims of the Darfur genocide. She's not a real pol and she screwed up. We all lose on this one, so laugh it up all you want.
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joey t,

08/03/2008 03:45:59
. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive." A women who has fought for the oppressed in Darfur with unrivaled passion, should not be voicing these opinions about her own people. Absolute proof that she was stretched beyond the limit and just misspoke. But, she did so knowing the rules.

Trust me, the media has already focused on Sen. Clinton's response to Ms. Power’s resignation. Status quo.

And for those wondering about the NAFTA issue, go to CNN.com and read the memo yourself. It's not so much what was said or not said, as it was the fact Sen. Obama denied it ever happened – making it appear as if there was some impropriety, calling into question his campaign of transparency, judgment, and straight talking. He didnt act as advertised and it brought up the very real question of who Sen Obama is behind closed doors. Ohioans have been severely negatively impacted by NAFTA and this impropriety surfaced two days before the Ohio primary, hence the raw wounds.

Americans need to know who he is and how he will react under pressure before he can become the Presidential nominee. He is a one-term Senator with 130 no judgments. He spoke out against Iraq, but never actually heard the information or arguments that framed Sen. Clinton’s decision. He has little track record to vet and Sen. Clinton has decades of public service to attack. His judgment in ’08 is more relevant than his words in ’02.

I believe absolutely that Sen. Obama knew nothing about any of these comments - he certainly didn’t sanction them - and no one is intimating he did. But he is ultimately responsible for his advisers, and the fact that he is/was unaware of what they are saying speaks to his inexperience. That’s all.

If he can't manage his advisers or take these light taps now, then he has no chance of being an effective opponent against the Republicans, who will make Sen. Clinton look like a choir angel.

Let’s everybody take a deep breath and let the voters decide.
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joey t,

08/03/2008 03:46:38
Remember, too, that some of the comments here are much more hurtful to Sen. Obama, Chelsea’s mom and the American people than Ms. Power’s. And they most certainly reveal a great deal about Ms. Peev’s countrymen.

Ms. Peev’s fate hangs not on the American media, but on whether her own people extend her the same forgiveness Ms. Power’s mates across the pond already have. And, by the way, if Ms. Peev were a man, she would have been a blip on the radar screen. Reality being, here is another woman messing with their attempt to get rid of the female candidate. Id est.

Isn’t there enough hate in the world already?

Thank you for listening and for allowing me to speak,
Joey T. Chicago, IL (home of both candidates)
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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 03:57:24
"Ms. Power would not be where she is today without Sen. Clinton’s generation."

What does Hillary Clinton have to do with the women's rights movement? She's a wal-mart lawyer and a real-estate oppourtunist that rode the coat-tails of her husband to the U.S. Senate. How far would she have come without her man?

Just wait 'til Paul v. Clinton breaks
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cooty tenee,

georgia 08/03/2008 04:19:56
Hilary is a very good menopausal manipulative monster.
She gobbles up the media and uses them to her advantage only using a comedy show. I wander when she spews her real poisonous venom, will any presidential nominees be left in America? Sorry Britany Spears there's a new fighter in town, you lose.
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BonnyB,

Baltimore, MD - USA 08/03/2008 04:48:24
So congratulations to your reporter! She gets her 15 minutes of fame by blowing out this scoop. She even gets us all to pay attention to Scotland for minute. I will be praying that she will be justly rewarded for her actions.
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Jeffrey S,

Minneapolis US 08/03/2008 04:49:26
Should John McCain become the next US president Ms. Peev & the Scotsman will have done their part.

Ms Power needn't have resigned, where an apology should have sufficed.

It's a sad day for civil society and our troubled world.
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tanniejp,

New York 08/03/2008 05:49:44
Disappointment in this so called journalist is not the appropriate word to describe my feelings. Ms. Peev only reinforced for me why I decided, after obtaining a degree in journalism, not to become one. Her lack of ethics (on or off the record) is why I became disillusioned with a profession which was once held in such high regard.

Do no harm?...Peev?

She wanted her 15 minutes and she got it. Let's hope she never again graces the front page of a newspaper in this country or any other world publication.
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shabaka,

Charleston, S.C. 08/03/2008 06:49:41
Monica Lewinsky's Ex-Boyfriends Wife for President in 2008 !
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Eboni,

Jonesboro, GA 08/03/2008 07:04:12
BILL WAS A GOOD PRESIDENT, BUT WHOSE TO SAY HILLARY WILL BE. YOU KNOW THE BUSHES' AND CLINTONS' ARE ALL FRIENDS, THEY ARE ALL TAKING A TURN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. HILLARY SAYS OBAMA DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AS HEAD OF STATE, BUT WHAT EXPERIENCE SHE HAS? STANDING OVER HER HUSBANDS SHOULDER LOOKING, LISTENING TO A FEW PHONE CONVERSATIONS, SITTING IN A MEETING WITH NO INPUT. HILLARY ALSO MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE 3 AM CALL SAYING "HE'S NOT RIGHT FOR THE POSITION". WELL MEN AND WOMEN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE A WOMAN TO REALLY WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND GET OUT OF BED AND SHOWER OR WHATEVER, PUT ON YOUR COFFEE, AND THEN MAKE THAT DECISION FOR THAT 3 AM CALL YOU GOT A COUPLE OF HOURS AGO. VS A MAN GETTING THE SAME CALL SAME TIME AND SAYING "DAMMIT", JUMPING UP OUT OF BED, THROWING ON SOME CLOTHES ON, AND GETTING OUT THAT DOOR. ALL THE MOTIONS WOMEN GO THROUGH JUST TO GET OUT THE BED, I BELEIVE HILLARY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. OBAMA ON THE OTHER HAND MAY. I WISH SOMEONE WOULD DEFINE MIDDLE CLASS FOR ME, BECAUSE IN MOST OF HILLARY SPEECHES, SHE ALWAYS MENTIONS MIDDLE CLASS INDIVIDUALS OR FAMILIES. WHEN IS SHE GOING TO START METIONING THE LOW CLASS(STRUGGLING)FOLKS. PEOPLE WHO LIVE PAY CHECK TO PAY CHECK, SINGLE PARENTS, STRUGGLING SENIORS, COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT CAN BARELY PAY TUITIONS AND CAN'T GET A GOVERNMENT GRANT. NOW THAT'S STRUGGLING. I AM ONE OF THEM. OBAMA TALKS ABOUT LENDING THAT HELPING HAND TO US AND SOME OF US ARE BEING SUCKED INTO THE MIDDLE CLASS SPEECH CATEGORY THAT WE DON'T EVEN FIT IN. BECAUS EBILL HAS ONCE RAN AMERICA, HILLARY FEELS THAT SHE WILL BE THE BETTER DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE TO RUN AMERICA. IF DO BECOME PRESIDENT, THAT'S THE ONLY TITLE SHE WILL HOLD BECAUSE BILL WILL BE DOING ALL THE WORK. NEITHER OF THE NOR THE WINNER FOR THE REPULICAN SIDE HAS THE EXPERIENCE.

FOR THE REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE FAMILY OVER IN IRAQ, DO YOU REALLY WANT THEM OVER SEAS IN THAT MESS FOR NEXT 100 YEARS AS JOHN MCCAIN HA
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Eboni,

08/03/2008 07:09:18
AS JOHN MCCAIN HAS STATED IN ONE OF HIS SPEECHES. THINK ABOUT IT. THIS MEANS THEY ARE GOING TO DIE OVER THERE OR BE GONE FOR A AWFULLY LONG TIME. ALL YOU ARE GOING TO GET ARE A FEW LETTERS AND 3 MINUTE PHONE CALLS MAYBE NOTHING AT ALL WITH NO WAY OOF KNOWING IF THEY ARE EVER RETURNING HOME. IS THIS HOW YOU PICTURE IT WHEN THEY DEPART? DO YOU WANT IT THIS WAY?
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Concerned American,

Oregon, USA 08/03/2008 07:21:08
(Note: I tried to Preview this Comment and nothing happened on my computer....so I'm gonna Post the Comment now. If it's a duplicate posting, please remove it.)

Dear Editor:

Apparently the "Third Estate" doesn't have to play by any rules anymore. Moreover, the line between the Third Estate and the gossip publications is now so blurred that it may not even exist anymore?

The Scotsman has a quote within a story that can ruin a very prominent and professional woman.

Certainly, it has some choices to make, such as:

1. Go with the story with no concern for its possible ramifications; or

2. Before going with the story, clarify with the woman interviewed those portions of the interview that were requested to be "off the record;" and "respect her oral request" to have those portions removed from the published story.

It bothers me when a prominent member of the media, such as the Scotsman, publishes "off the record" information that ultimately harms the person being interviewed.

Ultimately, the media only hurts itself when it breaks a journalist "contract" between the reporter and the subject.

In the short term, this may increase the website hits or circulation of the Scotsman but in the long run, respect for the Scotsman unfortunately has or will diminish.

All disciplines have "rules of engagement" that need to be respected...even print journalism.





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KFED,

08/03/2008 08:02:03
So called concernedamerican,

Ms. Powers was being interviewed in regards to her latest book. She agreed ahead of time that the interview would be ON THE RECORD.

She was the one who made the mistake of turning a book interview into a rant about Hillary, Ms. Peev did not goad her into her comments, she went there herself.

If this highly educated woman had the brain she thinks she has, she would have done the "oops, that's off the record" line when she said the F-word, rather than when she called Hillary a "monster.

It bothers me more that she was more "concerned" about monster than she was with her foul language!!
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KFED,

08/03/2008 08:07:32
Ms. Peev,

You have no reason to worry about Ms. Power losing her job, she was an unpaid advisor in the first place! Ha'vaad pays her salary, not Barack Hussien Obama!!

Keep up the good work, the Obamanation folks can't handle the truth and that is not your fault!!!!!
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KFED,

08/03/2008 08:27:53
eboni,

........Omce again nevermind!
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temenos,

north america 08/03/2008 08:47:18
Kudos to Gerri Peev for putting that self-righteous twit, Tucker Carlson, in his place on MSNBC and for standing up for her convictions.
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real journalist,

New York 08/03/2008 09:59:15
Do Scottish journalists not know the meaning of "off the record"? If I were a political candidate, CEO or anyone else who cares about my reputation, I would never speak to a reporter from The Scotsman again.
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clark,

edinburgh 08/03/2008 10:24:03
Wow over 538 comments on this blog.
Really it has all been said.
In addition would love to have read the ones
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Queen D,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 13:25:58
Well hullo Angry Americans!
You now know what we have to put up with in the press.
We have a minority Government who are attacked by this and other parts of the media on a regular basis , on the most contrived premise.
When we next have an election I would be delighted to see you on these boards lashing out at unfair coverage and bias!
Please help us to help our press to impartial print!
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Whyisthat,

damascus 08/03/2008 13:28:51
FIRST - Its my pleasure to read Samantha Power's Pulitzer Prize winner book; Samantha had accomplished her own task for which she was physicaly present in the UK to begin with. The bombardment of UN headquarter in Baghdad soon after changing the Iraqi regim is a curious subject for sure! Why it happened; and to who's benfit?
Second – 3 years "unpaid" advisor serving Obama, cannot continue forever – Its not a charity! Though Obama; later on; accumulated a surplus of fund for his campaign! I don't blame her she resorted to her own resources, her own Pulitzer Prize winner book! She a great independent thinker!
Third – She has to be ostracized from the political scene and preferably from the journalistic arena too before she gets bigger:
A. On the Democratic party side:
- In the midst of the recent Gaza siege events Obama thought that Israel's security is sanctimonious yet failed to mention a thing about the dehumanized people on the other side! A WAR CRIME EXPERT MIGHT advise different view on this!
- Mrs Clinton who boasted herself as being "experienced" and ready as a commander in chief - Had missed a great experience as the war started in the Balkan. She similtaniously started a vacation with her daughter in the midlle of no-where; in the Moroccan part of the Sahara desert, which is seeking indepence!
And where is the experience in kissing the cheeks of Yaser Arafat's wife and chatting with her in Gaza and not mentioning a thing about the life of ENTIRE NATION under PERPETUAL SIEGE! Despite the daily reminders of news events! A WAR CRIME EXPERT MIGHT advise a different view on this too!
B. On the Republican party side:
A WAR CRIME EXPERT MIGHT might not remain scilent when discovering that McCain's father "One Navy Admirl" was involved in a coverup related to USS Liberty which has its own DOTorg site!
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Queen D,

Glasgow 08/03/2008 13:30:12
PS Please forgive my lack of interest in the US elections. I will be more interested in the actual outcome , for know I leave you to the 'fight' unlike the pres and television over here who seem to think I should be agog with excitement.
I think its your business, not mine!!
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OlderManOfTheSea,

New York City 08/03/2008 16:21:48
Monster. Hmmm. Let's see. The phone rings in the White House
and it's 3 AM. Nobody answers it after more than 6 rings. By then
the Ruwandan who is calling is dead; soon so will be 799,999 more
of them.

Monster is charitable when it comes to the Clintons.
Far more pungent Anglo-Saxon adjectives come to mind.
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bill100,

Illinois 08/03/2008 18:15:46
Back in the 2000 presidential primary, I hung my head low, and declared myself a republican(as we must do in Illinois primaries) in order to vote for John McCain--a good man and the only sane republican choice. In the general election I voted for the democrat (Gore). In 2004, I voted for all democrats and wrote in "mickey mouse" if a republican ran unopposed(please don't sue me disney). In 2008, I proudly declared myself a democrat in the primary to vote for Obama! After reading these comments, I may well vote once again for the walking corpse-McCain--provided he doesn't run with Jeb Bush, or worse, a real fundamentalist. Normally I savor irony, but somehow I now feel rather sickened.....
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bill100,

Illinois 08/03/2008 19:14:08
only if Hillary gets nominated, that is. I'm one of Obama's brainwashed small contributors.
btw-you clinton supporters really are shrill-lol
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R. Vallee,

08/03/2008 19:20:40
nevermind, bill

dont do that
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Sam Thornton,

The Colonies, Burwell, Nebraska 08/03/2008 19:28:03
Afraid you Scots aren't completely familiar with the local vernacular here in the States.

"Monster" is not necessarily a derogative term here. Witness such favorable uses of the word in our popular "Monster Truck Rallies" and "Monster Cage Match Smackdowns." There's also "monster.com," a popular destination for our millions of uncounted unemployed.

Always glad to shed light on our curious local customs.
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Appella,

08/03/2008 19:37:03
Mccain must be soliciting aide from the scotsman when is he going to appear in his kilt. Oh I forgot his last name is mccain
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HartlessBeest,

Indiana 08/03/2008 21:00:26
bill100,Illinoisbill100,Illinois.......You seem to have a problem making up your mind. Over the past many years, I have noted that many Americans are plagued with similar reasoning malfunctions, unable to think for themselves, they readily turn to pundits and talk show blowhards to manipulate their thought processes.

It is no wonder you end up with worthless geeks like Nixon, Reagan…….and Cheney/Bush.. If you want to proceed down this road to self-destruction, it will be no surprise if Hillary Clinton, being an over ambitious, self-centered individual, will go to any extreme to achieve fame of becoming the first woman president. The scary part is, she will continue to uphold the destructive policies of Cheney/Bush.

Hillary has run a sleazy and dirty campaign. In spite of this, Obama has displayed the dignity and respect expected of a presidential candidate, which, in my opinion, are the qualities deserving of someone expected to be the future Commander in Chief.
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laurabusa,

usa 08/03/2008 21:15:15
I would like to thank the Scotsman for reporting this. I feel that we the american people aren't told the truth in many aspects. It is great to hear what other countries think of our political arena. Be it good or bad we are stuck with it. I hope that many out there will realize what a tough thing we are faced with. I would like to stress the importance of the democratic nomination. Many of us who support Hillary due to her experience and knowledge fear the election of Obama. Take heed folks of his smooth talk. So, I for 1 and there are many who want the Democratic party to win this will however, be forced to turn to Senator John McCain if the nominee will indeed be Senator Obama. I feel he can not be trusted and I think as time goes on more will come out to prove this at least I hope. And I commend the Scotsman for this as I feel it shows the thoughts and views of the true Obama camp. Report the facts is what the media is to do and stay neutral that would do the people the most justice. Keep up the good work and God help us all!
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another concerned American,

New York 08/03/2008 21:30:19
Maybe the rules are different in the UK, but I've worked as a journalist in the US and over here it's perfectly permissable and quite common for someone to make certain comments off the record during an otherwise on the record interview, as long as that condition is stated clearly at the time the comment is made--as it is here. You guys were pretty clearly out of line, and it's a shame that an intelligent and dedicated woman like Ms. Power, who could have done great things for US foreign policy, has been forced to resign over this mess.
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Amani_Bunduki,

Canberra 08/03/2008 22:51:19
hrmmm all those "removed by administrator" demonstrates the delicacy of this one... it does feel a little like the Scotsman was trying to "get noticed" but then again a political aide should be well aware of the consequences of every little squeak which emanates from the front of their head in the presence of the press. Hillary may well be a monster...
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motherload,

down from the mountain 08/03/2008 23:36:30
...the volcano spewed forth molten lava out of the once comfortable cave where the three warring 'leaders' disappeared with the gathered crowd.
bones, blood, rotting flesh surged down the mountain covering everything in its path... the momentem continued with no respect of person, country, gender, etc. the whole of the world was obliterated with the smelly, gaseous power reeking from the monster, half-black man, the horse and rider with a powerful sword...
clearly the rules had changed, where once great compassion now only treachery, death, stench, and no mercy! moral of the thought... 'be careful what you vote for!'
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motherload,

montana, USA 08/03/2008 23:38:46
my story continued from post, 273 to post 556
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Pastor Flash,

New York, USA 08/03/2008 23:45:31
The thoughtless publishing of the words of Pulitzer prize winner Samantha Power has done a grave diservice to the Samantha Power, the Scotsman's integrity, our American political process, and simple justice. The admonition/request of "off the record" even "after the moment" should have been honoured by you. Miss Power has more integrity and commitment in her little finger than Hillary Clinton could ever hope to have in her entire being, as we have seen all too clearly over the past several weeks and indeed over most of her ego-driven selfish career. Your despicable revelation of these few words joins Clinton in this arena. I hope you are proud of your entirely unacceptable breach of good judgement, common decency and journalistic integrity.
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Appella,

08/03/2008 23:55:53
Im still trying to figure out WHAT EXPERIENCE DOES HILLARY CLINTON HAVE? Being the spouse is not a resume for qualification. Is the wife or husband of a neuro surgeon qualified to perform the same procedures baed only on the fact that they share the same last name REALLY?? It takes a strong man to maintain his calm while being attacked by the racist republican machine and the subjective racism of the clintons its obvious a vote for hillary is an endorsement for scandal.
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DadUSA,

Seattle Washington USA 09/03/2008 01:36:29
What amazes me is the unspoken sexism of the Hillary camp. What prepares a woman who went to all-female Wellesley College, infamous for it's false and misleading anti-male "studies" for the role of President? (See Boys and the Boy Crisis.) It is a symptom of how men have been muzzled and isolated in our society that she is allowed to forward the feminist agenda so thoroughly without discussion of this area, so vital to the fathers and children faced with divorce. And is Gerri a woman or a man? Hillary for women's rights in China? What will she do in the US when charged with governing BOTH genders? Men everywhere need to take a good, hard look at the sexist bills she supported against Domestic Violence, which were couched in terms that favored women. Look at the Monster we already have in the White House, and beware electing another, albeit on another ideology.
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democrat-small-d,

Connecticut, USA 09/03/2008 04:19:44
To The Editor and Ms. Peev,

Let's be adults, shall we?

People make mistakes. Ms. Powers made one to be sure; but had the grit to accept responsibility for her actions — at great cost to her career.

Perhaps The Scotsman and Ms. Peev will consider following her lead...own your mistake and issue a public APOLOGY to Ms. Powers. It is clearly the decent thing to do, and not too late.

Drop the ludicrous claim that the "public interest" was served. Do we really need to be convinced that tensions run high in a closely-contested election campaign? Is this news to any homo sapiens? I think not.

Do the right thing.
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AlanRockville,

Rockville MD USA 09/03/2008 13:19:00
I had the pleasure of meeting Ms. Power recently at a book signing. She is a passionate defender of those who have been terribly hurt by war or famine. She added some plugs for Obama during her talk. While I was waiting for my book to be signed, a Clinton supported approached the owner and demanded "Equal Time". Such is politics in the US.

Anyway, I wrote a followup column last night on this story. Enjoy.

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Breaking News: Monsters Protest Samantha Power Remark
Just got this off the wire:

The Offensively Brutish American Monsters Assocation today vehemently protested the recent remarks by former Obama aide Samantha Power that Presidential Candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton "is a Monster".

"She has never been and can never be one of us", said Association President Freddie Shrek. "She's never been in our skin, er, whatever it is. We are deeply offended by the implication".

"Samantha should know better", said Mr. Shrek. "I'll make sure Darryl never lets her get away with anything like this again!"

The OBAMA group promises action if a full apology is not received. "We will make our presence felt in the voting booths of Pennsylvania on Primary Day, April 22nd".

Ms. Power could not be reached for comment. However, a spokesperson stood by the remark, saying "Didn't you see 'Meduusa vs. the Son of Hercules', that was HER voice".
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AlanRockville,

Rockville MD USA 09/03/2008 15:42:46
Slight typo on my last post - "Darryl" should have been "Darrin" (Stephens). It's been a while since that show was on the air.
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R. Vallee,

09/03/2008 17:30:00
Gerri, you suck. You'll never get another interview worth printing again.

I hope you've enjoyed your 15 minutes
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Eboni,

jonesboro, ga 09/03/2008 17:41:54
I THINK THE REPUBLICANS ARE VOTING FOR CLINTON BECAUSE THEY KNOW SHE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO GO UP AGAINST HIM AS A MAN WOULD BE.

I WAS WATCHING CNN LAST NIGHT AND THEY ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IF OBAMA IS CATCHING A HARD TIME WITH THE ELECTIONS BECAUSE OF HILLARY BEING A WOMAN OR BECAUSE HES BLACK. THE ANSWER WAS BECAUSE HILLARY WAS A WOMAN. I THINK IT IS BECAUSE A BLACK MAN IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. HE HAS NOT ONCE LOST HIS COOL FOR ALL THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON. I DON'T THINK HILLARY HAS A BIG CHANCE IN MISSISSIPPI AT ALL. THERE HAS ALREADY BENN TWO REMARKS PUT OUT THAT I'M PRETTY SURE THOUGHT TO BE RACIAL.
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Green Buddha,

Minneapolis, Minnesota Keith Ellison's 5th Distric 09/03/2008 17:56:31
Begorrah! Scotsman can not keep a secret under his kilt and banishes a find Dubliner. What a pity!
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Ace1 ,

Sydney 10/03/2008 01:35:08
"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything,"

Does this sound like the language of a person who has had it made clear to them that ‘everything they say is on the record’?

Sounds more like the Scot needed a Scoop.



 
 


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