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Published Date: 14 March 2008
IRAN sought to ally itself with Scotland last night, praising Alex Salmond's administration for its anti-war stance and suggesting Tehran has more in common with Holyrood than Westminster.
Rasoul Movahedian, the ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran, told The Scotsman that Scotland and Iran shared "similar views" on many issues, such as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and nuclear non-proliferation.

And he said there was "fertile ground" for a stronger relationship with the controversial government of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"I think that Iran and Scotland enjoy similar views on many regional and international topics and issues," he said. "The views and the position of this present government of Scotland pleased many people in Iran and enabled us to make a distinction between Scotland and England.

"We are very much pleased by the views of the present government, (which] is against the war, against chemical weapons, against proliferation, and advocates a world based on peace and friendship, which strives for wellbeing and economic progress. This provides fertile ground for further works."

The ambassador's words came on the day that families of Scottish troops about to leave for Afghanistan were briefed on the dangers they will face there.

Mr Movahedian said "of course" there was a distinction between the governments and the policies of Edinburgh and London.

He was speaking on a visit to Scotland, where he was an official guest of the Scottish Parliament. He met party leaders, including the First Minister.

Privately, Whitehall sources suspect Iran wants to try to exploit tensions between the UK and Scotland, especially with the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war coming up. A government source said: "If the mullahs in Tehran think Alex Salmond is a good ally against London, it throws up questions about the First Minister's judgment about his policies."

Sir Menzies Campbell, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats, told The Scotsman: "Perhaps it takes one ayatollah to recognise another in Alex Salmond. But seriously, the Iranian regime deals harshly with the rights of women and foments terrorism throughout the Middle East. Any similarity between that and the democratic traditions of Scotland is hard to swallow. This is an attempt to cause mischief."

Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former foreign secretary, said there could be no separate foreign policy emanating from Scotland, and he questioned why the ambassador felt the need to speak to leaders north of the Border. "I don't think the Iranian ambassador would welcome the British ambassador speaking to the Azerbaijani minority who live in Iran," he said.

"There may be some Nationalist politicians in Scotland and some Iranians who think they have mutual views. But the ambassador's comments seem rather childish."

A Foreign Office spokesman said the UK's foreign policy was also Scotland's. "The UK government has one overall foreign policy," he said. "It has made it particularly clear what that is. We want to have a long-term relationship with Iran based on co-operation, but we feel they have to meet their international obligations in relation to non-proliferation, human rights and fundamental freedoms."

A spokesman for Mr Salmond said: "The ambassador is doing no more than recognising that the party now forming the Scottish Government was opposed to the war in Iraq – as, indeed, are a majority of MSPs in the Scottish Parliament.

"The ambassador was a guest of the Scottish Parliament and was welcomed by the Presiding Officer. The First Minister met him in an official capacity, as did other party leaders. Every guest to the parliament is treated properly, and the First Minister meets every visiting ambassador – as he did the Israeli and Polish ambassadors last week.

"Certainly, in the course of the meeting, the First Minister raised concerns over nuclear proliferation and human-rights issues in Iran."

While Mr Salmond has called for Scotland to be a model country for peace and reconciliation studies, the latest praise from the Iranians will prove embarrassing, as it comes from a country constantly criticised for human rights abuses.

In 2002, George Bush, the president of the United States, famously described Iran, Iraq and North Korea as an "axis of evil" over their support for terrorism and their attempts to acquire weapons of mass destruction.

Tony Blair, the former prime minister, claimed in 2005 there were Iranian links to explosive devices used to blow up British troops in Iraq. And the US general David Petraeus accused the Iranians of mounting a "proxy war" in Iraq through Tehran-backed Shia militias.

World opinion is also divided on whether Tehran has resumed its nuclear-weapons activity, with even the Russians and Chinese watering down their tacit support for the regime.

Mr Movahedian acknowledged what he said were the "distinct foreign policies" of Scotland in his interview with The Scotsman.

"We share the same view with the Scottish Government on nuclear proliferation. We have asked for a nuclear-free zone in our region. In the meantime, we recognise the right of nations to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. My government is co-operating with the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency] for this reason."

Although Iran has faced UN sanctions because of its non-compliance with UN weapons inspections, the ambassador stressed: "We are in favour of a world free of nuclear bombs."

He defended the seizure at gunpoint of 15 Royal Navy and Marine personnel in what he said were Iranian waters last year.

Mr Movahedian hinted at tensions with Britain "since they have been involved in our domestic affairs since the beginning of the 20th century".

The ambassador cited "involvement of the government in engineering two coups d'état in 1921 and in 1953" as remaining etched "in the historical memories of the Iranians".

A PLACE AT THE TABLE

SINCE coming to power last May, the SNP administration has tried to carve out a bigger presence for Scotland on the world stage.

The First Minister, Alex Salmond, has made little secret of wanting to have greater representation around the world. Unless Scotland becomes independent, it cannot have its own sovereign embassies, since foreign policy is reserved to Westminster.

Last year, Mr Salmond incensed UK ministers when he wrote to all 189 countries signed up to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, asking them to back a separate seat for Scotland at the talks.

His letters were sent to regimes such as Iran and Zimbabwe.

He had argued that, as Scotland held a distinct position on the renewal of Britain's nuclear deterrent – Trident – it should have a separate seat at the table.

The SNP also waded into controversy at the height of the navy hostage saga last year, when the Iranians seized British troops patrolling the Persian gulf.

Angus Robertson, now the SNP's leader at Westminster, set up a meeting with the Iranian ambassador to discuss the Scottish elections, as well as the plight of the hostages.

The Scottish Government also wants to lead the UK's negotiations over fishing, believing its views are not being represented.

POOR RECORD ON RIGHTS

IRAN'S human rights record was thrown into sharp relief yesterday when Mehdi Kazemi, a gay Iranian teenager, was handed a temporary reprieve from deportation by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith.

His boyfriend was arrested by the Iranian police and hanged for sodomy in 2005.

Ms Smith announced the case would be reconsidered after concerns that he could face execution if removed to his homeland.

Mr Kazemi, 19, has been refused asylum in the Netherlands and is now likely to be sent back to Britain.

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  • Last Updated: 14 March 2008 8:02 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iran
 
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14/03/2008 00:03:58
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Sanny,

14/03/2008 00:19:36
I get the distinct impression that this is a deliberate ploy by the Scotsman to cast aspersions on Salmond's character. More than half the civilised world are opposed to these American wars and the spread and or retention of nuclear weapons. That doesn't mean they support regimes such as Iran!
It is only right and proper that Scotland should take its rightful place at the table of the worlds nations.
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Yane,

14/03/2008 00:23:00
Well I think that Campbell has made a mistake trying to put Mr.Salmond down by calling him another ayatollah because I think this word means a 'man of god' & has connotations of wisdom.
It is a great thing to call for peace & reconcilliation. I don't see how this can be embarrassing.
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walter,

14/03/2008 00:34:46
I may not be a fan of Salmond or the SNP and I certainly do not support their core policy of dividing the UK and Scotland becoming independent from the UK.
Salmond and his party are in power in Scotland due to the fact that the UK is a democratic country.
I do not believe that Salmond or the SNP would show any support for the undemocratic dictatorial regime that exists in Iran.
British soldiers have died due to insurgents in Iraq funded by this regime.
A man is fighting deportation to Iran as he is in fear of his life from this regime due to being gay.
Nope I cannot believe that Salmond or his party would show any support this regime.
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Furchrissake,

14/03/2008 00:35:40
This is great. If it opens up a dialogue between the Scottish Parliament and Iran and away from the warmongering of Westminster Labour, then it's a great start. Only dialogue can address the different issues - not bombs.
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Mac Gill-eathan,

14/03/2008 00:45:56
Der Fhurer another fan of the British Nazi Party are we? Ya unionist lackey!! Is there a more complicit shower o sleekit wretches than the Scottish unionists? They are on a par with Vichy France they are puke!
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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 00:54:14
Star a dialogue with Iran and Salmonds pal Trump might take his cash and walk, think about it.
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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 01:06:53
11#

Americans take exception to most things Iranian including those that support them, not that we have reached that stage, a very clever ploy by the Iranians dont you think, this comes a week after they wanted us to play them at football.
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Edwards Legend,

14/03/2008 01:23:30
I would be disgusted if the Scottish Govt were to enter into talks with such a tyrannical regime, if the SNP entertain this notion kiss goodbye to any hope of been seen as an elect-able party.

It is dangerous to confuse anti war sympathy with tolerance of inhumane and unjust governments whatever your opinion on Iraq America or the UK govt.

Dont go near this Salmond !

The State of Human Rights in Iran: Iran is ruled by religious fundamentalists who recognize no secular rule of law or traditional concept of natural rights. Although Iran technically holds elections (from a slate of candidates chosen by the Ayatollah), they wield only as much power as the Ayatollah chooses to grant at the time.


Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance.

Women's Rights: In Iran, women can vote and run for Parliament and are not prohibited from traveling freely, but they are also subject to police beatings and torture for violating perceived social norms, are not protected from domestic violence, and are discriminated against in other subtle ways (such as inheritance law).

Racism: Arabs (who make up 3%) of the population), Azeris (who make up 24%), and Kurds (who make up 7%) are frequently subject to racial profiling and mass arrests at cultural functions. Although there are very few Jews in Iran, vicious antisemitism is also a serious problem.

Beatings, Arrests, Torture, and Executions: Iranian police tend to respond to peaceful political demonstrations by viciously beating and arresting protesters, who are then subject to further beatings, torture, sexual assault, and denial of medical treatment in prison. Iran formally executed 94 prisoners in 2005, and many more died in prison under mysterious circumstances
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macdonaj,

Winnipeg Canada 14/03/2008 01:23:33
I believe that Alec Salmond's policy on contrived wars
reflects the attitude of the Scottish people. Scots' are
against torture and Scots' are against slavishly following American wars intended to control the Middle East oil supply.
I am proud that Scotland's voice is being heard on these issues.

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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 01:34:05
I would make a distinction between Alex Salmond and some of the crackpots that post on here. Iran are clearly trying to exploit the current tension between Holyrood and Westminster and Salmond knows this and will leave well alone. Scotland is being used as a pawn by Iran.

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walter,

14/03/2008 01:38:51
Ah well it looks like some of those that support Salmond and co will align themself with anybody no matter how abhorrent as long as they are anti UK that is OK and if their funding has helped kill those from Scotland who served in the forces of the UK they don't care as they where not true Scots anyway.
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J J MAROONER,

14/03/2008 01:43:06
19# well said Walter, anti UK, means anti US, but they will take US cash - Trump.
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walter,

14/03/2008 02:07:28
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Whatever.
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!Ya basta!,

14/03/2008 02:26:36
Of course Iran is trying to get support from wherever it can in the West and will try to exploit differences between Westminster and Holyrood. But thats politics the world over so let's not get too sanctimonious about that.

A deeper reality is that many people in Scotland (and the rest of the UK) of course opposed the war in Iraq and maybe intervention in Afghanistan (though that is less clear) and I suspect any war against Iran. In this sense the peoples of Iran and Scotland are in agreement and Holyrood should do whatever it can to prevent expansion of the conflict into Iran.

Regrading nuclear proliferation the double standards and the non-reporting of them is Orwellian. The West proliferates and refuses inspections whilst condemning any other nation (except its friends in the sub-continent and of course Israel and others it can not bully e.g. China and Russia) that seeks to proliferate. So-called non-proliferation is doublespeak and what we need is real non-proliferation. In this sense, again, most ordinary people of Scotland, UK, Iran and around the globe want the same thing.

I think we should remember that underlying all the politics, the mass of humanity want pretty much the same thing and we have to be very wary of being led down the wrong path yet again.

I sincerely hope that Iran can be welcomed into the "international community" and that mutually respectful and open dialogue can start. If Holyrood is able to initiate or facilitate such dialogue, credit to them.
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Guga II,

Rockall 14/03/2008 02:27:30
"This is an attempt to cause mischief".

It certainly is, and the attempt is being made by the unionists in Westminster, and their unionist lackeys in the Hootsmon.
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The Pict.,

14/03/2008 02:51:43
Notable that Sir Rifkin jumps in. Is he talking for Scotland Britain or Israel? After all he has Israeli citizenship.
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steve's here,

14/03/2008 02:52:43
be careful what you wish for, he may just come for a prolonged stay. closets and birkas anyone? #12 WHY do feel the need to ally with either? independence would give the choice to reject BOTH of these numpties.
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W Smith,

Middle East 14/03/2008 02:59:51
Salmond and MacAskill - THE AXIS OF WEASEL!

"The Islamic faith is one of the worlds great religions" - Salmond, September 2001.

Some of us will not forget Salmond's reaction to the incident at Glasgow Airport and his

Gullible Salmond doesn't know when he's been manipulated by muslim fanatics- THE IDIOT!

I think he's called the 'first' minister as he's always the 'first' to excuse muslim fanatics.

BTW
Salmonds connections to communists like Lyndsey German (Stop The War Coalition) and Kate Hudson (CND) can hardly be blamed on The Scotsman!
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The Pict.,

14/03/2008 03:06:49
# 30 The Christian fundamentalists ( Bush & Co,) have murdered more people than anyone. How many innocents had to die on the first bomb run in Iraq. The Palestinians want THEIR land back. They won't get it because Israel wants to KEEP it. They use any excuse not to move on it. Where does Israel get its' warplanes, bull dozers and weapons of mass destruction from? The USA
Nobody agrees with the killings etc in the middle east. so why don't you include America. And what are they doing there anyway?
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

14/03/2008 03:12:40
Its amazing how the UK and the US try and paint Iran as some backward nation when in fact it is the complete opposite. Bush goes to the Olympics when gays are murdered in China and homesexuality is outlawed and thousands die each year through political oppresion, but because its Iran it becomes un OK.

1 million dead in Iraq.

It is probably OK fighting smaller wars than having the big ones but only if they are justified. Nice to see the US about to have a non white president perhaps. if anything sums up the US is that apartheid ended 40 years ago and its taken how many centuaries for anyone other than a white to come close to winning.

The same ofcourse can be said of the UK.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 14/03/2008 03:14:09
You couldn't script it any better:-

W Smith,Middle East 14/03/2008 02:59:51
Salmond and MacAskill - THE AXIS OF WEASEL!

"The Islamic faith is one of the worlds great religions" - Salmond, September 2001.

Some of us will not forget Salmond's reaction to the incident at Glasgow Airport and his

Gullible Salmond doesn't know when he's been manipulated by muslim fanatics- THE IDIOT!

I think he's called the 'first' minister as he's always the 'first' to excuse muslim fanatics.

BTW
Salmonds connections to communists like Lyndsey German (Stop The War Coalition) and Kate Hudson (CND) can hardly be blamed on The Scotsman!

So lets see Mr Smith, he's a Muslim loving, Jew loving (having seen the Israeli ambassador last week), commy loving uber right wing nationalist.
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 14/03/2008 03:17:13
I always find it interesting that when ridiculous articles like this are commented upon or the article about the gay hating Rev yesterday that the Unionist trolls can't help but show their true colours:- racists and and homophobic. They seem to hate everyone other than those cast from the same mold as themselves.

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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 14/03/2008 03:43:05
The witness

So he would be equally, and polarly as despicable as a Mullah?

My point is that there is a complete lack of balance in the analysis of W Smith and Co
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steve's here,

14/03/2008 03:45:05
Why is it that America and George Bush are an obsession on these boards? If Alex becomes mates with this Ahmadinejad nutter Scotland will look the fool. Alex don't take the bait! Taking an anti-war stance is something i agree with, let's not allow to used for political gain by the likes of the Iraian regime. I don't think that it was SNP's intent to appear to be in agreement with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad....that man is one sly tyrant and free speech is something his kind knows how to control
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Kiumars,

London, Israel capital 14/03/2008 04:48:48
Sanny,14/03/2008 00:19:36
I agree with you. It is a shame they call themselves Scots; I wonder why they don't use their real name? Are they ashamed of having a Jewish name?
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Snowman,

Whistler, BC 14/03/2008 05:58:29
Let's celebrate. In time with he changing of the seasons from winter to spring the Iranian New Year begins. NOROUZ means "new day" and the Persian community in Canada'a richest neighbourhood West Vancouver, will light bonfires in Ambleside Park and sing in Farsi and jump to traditional music.This year NOROUZ begins on the Spring Equinox,March 19th at 10:48pm (local time). The West Vancouver Library hosts the largest collection of Persian Literature in Canada and local residents assimilate with this rich, highly literate and proud people. Scotland should be honoured to be coupled in culture with Iran and if the alks between Scotland's leader and Iran's envoy are of peace and commonality then that's a good thing.Understand the culture before criticizing its mores' and always check out your own turf first> CELEBRATE!
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Aýrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 05:59:32
#46 MacAlba . . .a typical post from a typical Nat. Independence at all costs.
All because of a hatred of the English.

Racism is alive and kicking from within the SNP.
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dave A,

nz 14/03/2008 06:00:47
Aye but does he like Haggis?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 06:04:06
So the misogynistic, homophobic, anti-democratic, holocaust-denying religious nutters give us the thumbs up do they?
I, for one will, walk a little taller today..
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 06:09:29
Oh and shame on the posters who let the anti-semitic filth pass you by.....saying zionist instead of jew does't get you off.
So the vile Nazis who are The Pict and the Witness should take their racism and peddle it somewhere it will be appreciated, try Tehran.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:15:09
Small countries that try to define themselves by who they are NOT tend to make pretty historic blunders. See the Vatican's treaties with Fascist Italy & Nazi Germany. Then there was the Irish Free State - just about the only place in the world to send Germany a telegram of condolence after Hitler's death!

Ok cool Ireland - you showed you were not in the British corner - you made that clear. But at what cost? A footnote to history that is eternally to your discredit.

Is Fatty Gnat Salmond about to be flattered into the same mis-step? Say what you like about those bloodied and vicious iranians - they know an huge ego when they see it!
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:27:24
Weel said No. 59! 'Getting stoned roond my place' has a whole different meaning where this ambassador comes from.....
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 06:32:57
Morning All-if one cuts through all the posturing and manouvering here, a few points emerge that probably unite most of us. Most people are aginst war and particularly the horrendous Iraqi conflict.Most people would support the further spread of nuclear weapons though I would question Iran's credentials is this regard. Most democrats would not like to count Iran in their circle of friends although few of us have any ill feelings toward Iranians.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:39:19
"Order in court, Order in court..."

"Thank you M'lord - I would like to propose a motion to have 'the witness' designated as hostile. No, in fact, M'Lord, please lets just agree he is a quite craazyeee!"

"Motion Granted"
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:55:40
You know I am not medically qualified but I have a wee suspicion that that's not your only issue....

Anywho - being hostile to criminals is a dangerous occupation. I suggest you not become a prison visitor, may not be your thing

By they way - what did you witness? or is your soubriquet a reference to the Kelly McGillis Harrison Ford Amish crime drama of the same name. A fine piece of 80s cinema to be sure - but to name oneself after it? I return to my original point...
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 06:58:13
By the by Mr (Mrs/Ms?) Witness, are we the only two up reading and contributing you think? If so I am a little worried.... I don't know if I want to be alone with you for any length of time!
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 14/03/2008 07:21:32
'thewitness' - Sorry bud but you HAVE revealed an antisemitic tendency on these boards. Your attempt to hide behind a facile critique of one strand of Zionism is very weak but would gather more respect if you were equally critical of extreme factions on all sides ... but you're not - therefore your views, as represented on these boards, is unbalanced.
Your understanding of Israel-Palestine 1940 to 1971 comes across as ignorant of many factors - selective at best. You ignore what the Hashemite Jordanians did to the Palestinians, you ignore that no Arab state has been willing to shelter the Palestinians in the same way that Israel has, you ignore that the Mufti of Jerusalem was a buddy of Hitler, you ignore militant Islam's vow to destroy Israel & so on. Now place that aside Sabra & Shatila, defying UN resolutions, nuclear arms and start to realise how complex the ME scenario is and should not be tackled with a 'fag-packet' guide to world peace handled by partisan oiks who speak politics as if they're supporting a football team.
Just remember that Israel is the size of Wales, was invaded by surrounding larger countries who then lost the wars they had started. The West Bank was taken from Jordanian hands as an outcome of being beaten. If you're conceding a return to 1967 boundaries then why not suggest that all world-conflict territories lost since '67 should be returned - try Vietnam for starters!!
Is there no penalty for waging war on your neighbour? Oh, I see, wage war then, if you lose, you get your land back. No deterrent whatsoever. Great if your neighbours are pacifists, not if they're committed to your annihilation.
If you are genuine about the plight of the Palestinian people then observe that the poor Palestinian people are being used by all and sundry, even Western pseudo-socialists, not just being 'bullied' by Israel.
Isn't it about time you woke up? Skip the cheap rhetoric and start working out how to help MAKE peace.
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donald,

glasgow 14/03/2008 07:29:40
Only the Whitehoose has more in common with Westmonster than they have with Holyrood.

I'd rather be an internationalist than a Brit.
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Martha,

14/03/2008 07:34:17
While you're waxing lachrymose over the Palestinians and their culture of "permanent victim" via the stupidity of the average television journalist, how about sparing a tear for the Chaldean Christians in Iraq? This group, which is one of the most persecuted religious minorities on earth, just lost an archbishop when he, in his 80s, was kidnapped the other day. He is now dead, whether from abuse or from the stress being too much for him is unclear. Both major islamic groups in Iraq participate in harrassing and physically attacking the 500,000 Christians, who incidentally have been there for more than half a millennium longer than any muslim could boast. So while you're feeling so sorry for your fellow jihadists, Mr. Witness, and trying to blame the world's problems on Israel, I am very sure that some of the Chaldean Christians in Iraq would tell a very different story indeed.
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:34:27
My post 62 Geoff-should be "...Most people would support the move AGAINST the spread of nuclear weapons."
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Martha,

14/03/2008 07:36:12
Thomas the Apostle was the one who brought the light of Christianity to Parthia, which is what the region of Iraq and Iran was called in Roman times. That was approximately 60 AD. Or CE, if you prefer. That's how long the Chaldean Christian church has been around-- but for how much longer is anyone's guess. Woe to you who call good evil, and evil good!
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Stephen fae Scotland,

San Francisco (& Edinburgh) 14/03/2008 07:36:14
Its after midnight in my current time-zone, and don't work shifts. In fact I barely shift to work!
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:37:16
61 the Witness-kidnapping our sailors last year comes to mind.
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altomagic,

Elgin 14/03/2008 07:39:04
Once again the Scotsman shows its true red colours. Mr Editor do as journalists do, try and keep a bias view on politics. A well written piece of labour anti scottish BLURB!!
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:42:18
75 altomagic-Eh? come again?
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 07:47:35
74-also the Iranian Embassy seige and the killing of one of our Police women.
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Nell,

The Preservation Hall 14/03/2008 08:01:25
Is old Alec up to his old tricks again. Inviting Iranians to Holyrood to wind up Westminster. Anything to drive a wedge!
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Lisbon-Lion,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 08:04:06
YESTERDAY I RETURNED FROM MY SECOND VISIT TO IRAN AND I CAN ASSURE YOUR READERS THAT IN ALL OF THE MANY COUNTRIES THAT I HAVE VISITED IRAN IS BY FAR THE FRIENDLIEST PLACE I HAVE EVER VISITED AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MY NEXT VISIT.

BEFORE OUR VERY INSULAR PEOPLE MAKE COMMENTS ON OTHER COUNTRIES OR PEOPLE I SUGGEST THAT YOU VISIT BEFORE YOU MAKE COMMENTS.

OUR GOVERNMENT IN LONDON HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BLATENTLY LYING TO US MANY TIMES. IT WAS THE UK, AMERICANS AND THE FRENCH WHO SOLD IRAQ CHEMICAL WEAPONS TO KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF IRANIANS IN THE IRAN IRAQ WAR.

I AM NOT TAKING SIDES WITH IRAN ALL I'M ASKING IS FOR SCOTTISH PEOPLE TO OPEN THEIR EYES BEFORE THEY MAKE STUPID COMMENTS.
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Unimpressed one,

14/03/2008 08:04:34
Won't be suprised to see Salmond sucking up the Iranians' ar*ses. Aferall, he did this with Ian Paisley, a man who has done more to prevent peace in Ulster than anyone else. Wonder if Osama bin Laden should get in touch?
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Boy Wonder,

14/03/2008 08:20:12
Hootsmon anti-SNP rubbish again, eh? Geezabreak!
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 14/03/2008 08:30:25
First it's 'Gorgeous George' and his school of diplomacy with Saddam, now it's 'Wee Eck' and his courting of Ahmadinejad.

A couple of opportunist politicians who try to make a quick name for themselves. It's my country too and I don't want my politicians 'whoring it' internationally. This isn't international relations it's forming gangs. Have we, as a nation, no sense of self-worth left. Why don't we start by making international gestures to more like-minded countries (... the Scandinavians spring to mind), or to commit and maintain a working relationship with countries who might need what we have to offer them (... Malawi).
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 14/03/2008 08:31:51
PS All Iranians who I have met have been excellent people, but people and their governments are not always identical.
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Jings Crivens,

14/03/2008 08:33:44
I don't like Salmond and his policy of achieving independence not through rational debate but through creating tension and blame with Westminster.

Never the less I don't believe he would court the Iranians in this manner. However the Iranian Government, is very astute and have made him a victim of him own policies and rhetoric to make it appear that they have an ally in the UK.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 08:35:09
"He was speaking on a visit to Scotland, where he was an official guest of the Scottish Parliament. He met party leaders, including the First Minister."

Good grief, didn't the WENDY, Nicol and Ma Broon not get the LONDON memos to not attend this meeting. The press will go ballistic when they discover that UNIONIST politicians met an envoy of the EVIL Iranian peacemongers.
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sweet76,

Coventry 14/03/2008 08:36:32
When has Iran ever had an anti war stance? They like nothing better than sturring up trouble, look at thier role Lebenon and thier support for Hezbollah.
In reality, Iran is thankful for the war in Iraq as they now have more political influence there than ever.

The day we find an alterative to oil is the day that the Middle East will cease to be headline news.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 08:39:19
#88 Jock MacSprog, taking into account your advanced years, I'll say this very LOUD.

HE MET ALL THE PARTY LEADERS.

NOW WHAT TIME DO YOUR CARERS COME IN YOU SEEM TO HAVE SPOILED YOURSELF AGAIN?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 08:39:53
#70
An interesting and thoughtful post. Thank you for sharing this information, it is interesting to hear different viewpoints in this complex and tragic region.
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 14/03/2008 08:42:57
There is an email doing the rounds that states that teaching about the Holocaust is to be removed from the UK curriculum because it offends the muslim population who say it did not happen. Is this true about the curriculum or another muslim bashing exercise? Radical Islam deserves a serve but alienating all of Islam is not a good idea unless someone thinks there will be winners after WWIII. A balance must be found.
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Spanish jambo,

Zaragoza 14/03/2008 08:51:35
Come on Scotsman! You're clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel now with your SNP insults & bias. You're credibilty is rapidly going downhill with such actions. I enjoyed your paper in the past but you're treading on dangerous ground with such blatant inaccuracies. We Scottish may not be too sharp upstairs at some things but we have a very good sense of smell!!!
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 14/03/2008 08:57:29
“Comment on this story”
90 comments and not one of them appears to have read the article.
The rubbish and drivel post here really does despair me, it the 90 comments preceding this one are typical of the electorate in Scotland then may Allah and all like him save us.
There was no comment about the drivel purporting to be news and given the by-line only to be expected by the so-called journalists.
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cjfriend,

COMOX 14/03/2008 08:57:41
The antisemitism expressed in these posts is disgusting. Thanks to Dave Scott for his post. And thanks to Snowman for his post. The Persian culture is rich. My son is marrying a Persian girl. An ex girlfriend of his was also a Canadian born Persian who has witnessed women being stoned, rape, murder and other atrocities in Iran. Thankfully her Russian journalist father got her out of there when she was 14 and also spent 5 years in an Iranian jail. One of my best friends is a retired Colonel from the Israeli Army. Israel is condemned far too often for defending the small piece of land they have which is constantly under attack from terrorists--a.k.a. in most western press as freedom fighters, or simply suicide bombers. Why, when other countries are attacked, they are referred to as TERRORISTS, but when Israel is attacked they are called by other names? (Small point perhaps, but effective in shading the truth) Yes, and Palestinians are not helped by other Arab nations. The ME situation is complex. I would object to losing my family home to a Jewish family moving in just as much as I would have a broken heart and soul if my children were blown up in a terrorist attack on a bus in Jerusalem.

I am proud to live in a multi-cultural country and oh so lucky TO live here and not in a war-torn area. I teach English as a second language in Vancouver and my classroom is more effective than the UN for dispelling preconceived, stereotypical thinking about other cultures, media bias and racism. Many of my students are Muslims, some are Catholic, some Chinese communists, some with no religious affiliation, but all come with preconceived notions and biases about different cultures. In my class, we get to know about each other, and oh, my God, even like and respect each other for our sameness AND our diversity. I am proud of that. I am also proud of the Scottish heritage my father gave me, however, I am disturbed by Salmond being duped. I would not like to see the cou
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JimC,

Kilmarnock 14/03/2008 09:06:46
Popped into my newsagents this morning to pick up our own local paper. I noticed the scotsman's front page and picked it up to have a quick scan. The newsagent came over with various magazines and I commented..scandalous absolute nonsense. He looked at me and said another customer had complained earlier and had been quite vocal about it. To my amazement he lifts up the bundle of scotsman papers and says I will sell no more, I said what todays paper, he said no I not stock it again as it upsets my customers.

I swear its true.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:07:45
When AS met the Israelli ambassador the other week I dont remember this rag trying to spin a story suggesting Scotland was sympathetic to Israelli policy.
What a transparently pathetic attempt to exploit the Islamaphobia in this country and use it to tie the SNP in with this sentiment.
And worse the SNP are correct in their anti war stance and are showing a morality sadly lacking in our present UK government yet this piece of sh*t calling itself a paper is trying blatently to undermine this honest morality and turn it into something unpaletable.
The US is gearing up for a war with Iran will the UK follow blindly behind them? I think there is a strong possiblity that they might and will this paper support and invasion? it will if it becomes Labour party foreign policy again.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:11:31
91

When was the last time Iran invaded anybodies sovereign territory? and has Iran supported any more terrorist groups than the US? has anybody supported anymore terrorist groups than the US?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:13:57
89

No this rag of a paper has taken the anti Iraq war stance of the SNP and tried to spin it as a pro Iranian stance. One doesnt signify the other but since when has this rag ever concerned itself with the truth or even objectivity when it can spin party political propaganda?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:15:48
88

And the UK establishment has always been able to rely on useful idiots within the unionist camp in Scotland to promote its agenda and propaganda your seeing a prime example of it now.
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Dublin Don,

14/03/2008 09:16:58
The Scottish government have been scolded by Riffkind to get back in line as though it were a hyperactive child. The politics of British/English central govt is always totally patronising towards Scotland I dont know how anyone would want to put up with it.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:18:58
88

"Meanwhile fat Alex smiles whilst Iran murders homosexuals, and cuts the heads off petty criminals."

Are you telling us that AS smiles BECAUSE homsexuals and petty criminals are executed in Iran???
Can I then spin a comment to suggest that Gordon Brown smiles while British soldiers are killed in Iraq and Afganistan??
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Linda,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:20:27
Another attempt by Scotsman to undermine the SNP and independence.

The ambassador was a guest of the Scottish Parliament and was welcomed by the Presiding Officer (A Tory). The First Minister met him in an official capacity, as did other party leaders. Every guest to the parliament is treated properly, and the First Minister meets every visiting ambassador – as he did the Israeli and Polish ambassadors last week.
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HA,

Beith 14/03/2008 09:20:42
We could twin Edinburgh with Tehran. Free burkahs for all the women.
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Think First ,

Scotland 14/03/2008 09:21:27
The Scotsman Newspaper are such AMATUERS AND ARE PATHIC HACKS at trying to cast aspersions on Salmond's character the guy is just in a different class and is running circles around them

It's obvious they know nothing about Iran except what they read in newspapers and we all how accurate newspapers are!

I wish they would just grow up and stop being lazy and do some real reporting
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:22:35
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It is not Irans intent to spin this story its the Scotsmans attempt to spin this story wake up!
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HA,

Beith 14/03/2008 09:25:00
Another benefit of twinning Holyrood with Tehran is that we could take a lesson from the Iranians on the way to run elections. It would be such a comfort to know that all the candidates were approved by our ruling elite. A free burkah for every woman voter?
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Sgurr,

14/03/2008 09:25:03
Holyrood to Iran: We love the way your newspaper, "The Iranian" continuously makes tenuous links between your government and mentalist dictators across the world!
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 14/03/2008 09:25:39
I take it no one reads posts they can't pick a fight with. Has anyone got an answer to my question at # 94 or should I assume that Culloden was really just a garden tea party.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:25:39
100. Of course they can't. Nor will they explain why the UK sold Saddam weapons when he was gassing the Kurds. Nor will they explain why the UK was so chummy with Pinochet while he was killing 20,000 of his own people. They probably won't tell you why the UK is so pally, to the extent of the Prime Minster intervening directly to stop fraud office investigations, with Saudi Arabia, a country Amnesty International has noted has a tendency to put electrodes up people's genitals. The probably won't tell you why is was good for Blair to meet Gaddafi, whom the UK blamed for Lockerbie.

The typical reactionary Unionists probably won't even explain why they dialogue and discussion is a bad thing. Maybe they will tell us that Iran has WMD ready to go at 45 minutes notice....
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Rob7,

England 14/03/2008 09:30:06
I though it was a Criminal effence in Iran to be gay. I don't think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad realises that the national dress in Scotland is a dress!

Anyway on a more serious note, just cause the west do not like Iran does not mean Iran is bad - different yes, but there are two sides to every argument.

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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 09:32:00
#111 HA Far be it from me to suggest the gentlemen of Beith could benefit from their dear ladyfolk donning the Burqa.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:32:20
119. Good of you to prove your own pithy observation through the medium of your posts, Master old chestnut.
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Broon an White Dug,

Stoatland 14/03/2008 09:32:43
I cannot believe anyone would befriend a country whose leaders want to take Israel off the map.
I feel for the ordinary Iranian people, their leaders are taking them down a dangerous road.

Salmond will be seen as a "Useful Idiot" by them, nothing more
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:33:41
114. I am not old, Master old crocus.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:35:27
124. I don't think he did say he "wanted to wipe Israel of the map" - perhaps you will provide the quote?. I think he actually said he wanted to wipe Zionism off the map. Kind of different - your statement is the same as stating that if someone said they wanted to wipe the "SNP off the ma"p they actually said they wanted to wipe Scotland off the map.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:44:30
127. Well, that seems like a comprehensive poll. You should post about it, perhaps with a % support for independence based on your survey?
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Broon an White Dug,

14/03/2008 09:45:18
Re #126

Ahmadinejad said on October 26th 2006 the solution to the Middle East crisis was to destroy Israel.

Not Zionism
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:45:34
128 for the Master and his surveys of young girls..
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:45:50
124

The British national anthem has a line stating "Rebelious Scots to crush" now if we are to take every piece of rhetoric to heart then why should we support a Westminster government if we are to follow your logic????? I would really like to hear you answer this.
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Broon an White Dug,

14/03/2008 09:48:19
Ahmadinejad's Threats

March 1, 2007: Declares that the U.S. and Israel are behind every armed conflict everwhere. Jerusalem Newswire

January 23, 2007: During meeting with Syria’s foreign minister. U.S. and Israel “will soon come to the end of their lives.” Y Net News

December 20, 2006: Declared that Britain, Israel, and the U.S. would disappear like the Egyptian pharoahs. Iran Focus

December 12, 2006: 2nd day of Iran’s infamous Holocaust (denial) conference in Tehran. Said that Israel “will be wiped out soon.” Jerusalem Post

December 1, 2006: Doha, Qatar. Israel “on the verge of disappearing.” Jerusalem Post

November 13, 2006: At council meeting with Iranian ministers. Declares Iran “will soon witness [Israel’s] disappearance and destruction.” Y Net News

October 19, 2006: Called Israel the “greatest insult to human dignity.” Said Israel must be removed from the Middle East and called the Holocaust a “fairy tale.” M&C News
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Grahamski,

falkirk 14/03/2008 09:50:04
126,
Anything to say about post #132, jackass?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:50:46
129. No he actually said "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusualem must vanish from the page of time"

This was preceded by "I think the Israeli government is a fabricated government. And I have talked about the solution. The solution is democracy. We have said allow Palestinians a free and fair referendum to express their views. WHat we are saying serves the purpose of a durable peace"
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Gothic Rose,

14/03/2008 09:51:29
" We love your anti-war stance"
Well he would would`nt he?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:52:03
117

I dont think anybody actually gives a f*ck maybe we are all starting to get a little tired of reading posts by zionists using the holocaust to push their islamaphobia on these threads.
Is a million plus dead Iraqis no enough for you people yet???
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:52:15
133. LOL - this from Grahamski who complains about rudeness and abuse. Grahamski, old bean, this is a discussion page. If you cannot conduct yourself without petty abuse and name calling I suggest you go elsewhere, you merely lower the tone.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:52:46
135

And its a sentiment shared by the vast majority of the worlds population.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:53:11
133. But as you ask, these threats seem less offensive that quotes like "we are going to bomb Afghanistan back into the stone age"....
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 09:55:49
139. SOrrym was Pakistan that the USA threatened to bomb back into the stone age..

"BBC NEWS | South Asia | US 'threatened to bomb' PakistanThe US threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" unless it joined ... the US to use its border posts as staging points for the war on Afghanistan. ...
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5369198.stm - 53k
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 09:55:50
132

So the man is no entitled to an opinion?? is that because he is an Iranian??
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ldopas,

14/03/2008 09:57:21
46 MacAlba: The Coming Independence (c2007).

Grow up and top being so damn stupid.

You would rather have allies like the terrorist supporting, women stoning, one party dictatorship religious zealot populated Iran, than your neighbours the free and democratic, like you, English?

Sometimes I wish people would engage their brains before posting idiocy like that, in a feeble attempt to be funny.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 10:00:08
144. Unionism in Scotland will be wiped from the page of time....
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voltaire's janny,

14/03/2008 10:01:00
Oh for an arena to hold all the people of these three sects of the religion exalting the same murderous God of Abraham.

Christians, Jews ,Muslims; no rules; have at it until you are all gone.

Imagine a world without this trinity of mental illness, delusion and barbarity.

Or in the real world, imagine every democratic state slowly eliminating appeals to a higher authority from its political, secular & educational institutions.

It could happen. In such a new age of reason the prime mover, altruism, would hold greatesty sway. Regulated free markets would maximise economic growth; the regulations themselves would address the distribution question and global issues such as pollution, and crime. The corporation would not be allowed become the new nation state; Assemblies with elections; open governance; freedom of information and the press (itself with openly regulated ownesrhip)respect for others and their right to speak out but no respect for or concessions to irrational beliefs.

J'ai un reve. I have a dream. Just gonnae

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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 10:01:31
144

As long as the folk who matter know then who gives a sh*t right?
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brownlie,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 10:20:25
144 the Dark Side,

Is that the unionist in the Labour Government who are getting pally and striking deals with Libya whilst at the same time maintaining that a Libyan intelligence officer, with his government's backing, was responsible for the horrific Lockerbie incident. Recent Labour government policy, in alliance with the USA, has shown that access to oil is more important than human lives.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 10:22:17
Well congratulations to the Scotsman.
A nasty, dirty little story based on what the editor/writer knows only too well is just trouble making by Iran and NOTHING TO DO WITH SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT POLICY.
Also very well done in allowing it to be a rallying point on this board for bigots, racists and anti-semites. But hey, you got to make a cheap baseless shot at the SNP, so why do you care about minor issues like that?
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getinnnn,

Scotland 14/03/2008 10:29:11
Yes: Give Scotland a seat at that thingawy jingammy: Scotland should have it's voice as a Nation at things. Did someone call Bush Christian earlier?...."Skull & Bone" Bush certainly isn't Christian.I am not for the Death Penalty although Sodomy should be recognised as a crime I believe: Look what God did to them at Sodom.....and if You think it a myth then this might be interesting...
http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=0c64258cd790a282dc3f
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Queen D,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 10:37:30
How are the circulation figures for the Scotsman this week ???
Dropping are they??
What a ridiculous article!
All the leaders met this man, all the parties are involved.
I do believe the Queen met Chinese leaders on behalf of the Westminster Government, and other odd bods that she would surely have chosen NOT to meet!
People have to meet and talk.
Scotland is right to have an anti aggressive stance.
I hope the world is applauding that stance.
It has already been hinted at in the press that the USA is setting its sight on Iran.
May I say loud and clear, NOT IN MY NAME!
We can spend our time discussing the plank in our own eyes rather than the splinter in others.
Take this country back a hundred and fifty years and you will see a vengeful legal system which dealt out horrendous punishment for the smallest crime.Even stealing a pie when starving could have your legs broken.
We are not so bloody brilliant as the Empire suggests in its History books.In fact the Empires history reveals the criminality and cruelty of the Brits.
Leave other countries to find their own way, and deal with our OWN problems.
The UK and the USA do not have a monopoly on RIGHT!
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Miss H,

14/03/2008 10:40:36
143 That's a really daft thing to say.

Most of the resr of the world agrees with both Scotland and Iran when it comes to the war on Iraq/terrorism and nuclear proliferation.

And a good thing too. What kind of a nightmare world would be living in if every nation took upon themselves the right to invade other countries and had weapons of mass destruction?

It would be hell on earth. The human species would not be likely to survive it.
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Amparo de Glasgow,

14/03/2008 10:41:32
Wee Eck should be very cautious
... he will find it very hard to justify flirting with jihadis.
He recently jumped into bed with Rupert Murdoch (replicating New LayBore nae doot).

However jumping into bed with Islamofascism is dangerous.

Wee Eck is being a naive numpty
... again as I have emphasised previously on other strands, he makes a laughing stock of Scotland.


Interesting how the Islamofascists
... chose to set Uncle Tom's Cabin / Hollyrood off against Westminster.

Ach-ma-Dinner-Jacket obviously knows
... the kind of opportunist naive numpty
... that wee Eck obviously is.

Ach-ma-dinner-jacket obviously see how he can create mischief by enlisting wee Eck.

Shame huh.
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Hamilton,

14/03/2008 10:42:17
What price solving Afghanistan soon? The European Council of Foreign Relations, for one, thinks Iran can help.

From the EFCR report on Afghanistan:
"Any stability achieved in Afghanistan will remain unacceptably fragile as long as neighbours such as Pakistan, India, Russia and Iran treat the country as a pawn in their own regional power play, and refuse to accept that stable governance in Afghanistan is in their own long-term interests. . . It will not be possible without [addressing] the causes of Pakistan’s quest for “strategic depth” – fears of India. Nor will it be possible to address the drugs trade without Iran’s cooperation."
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Sedov,

Scotland 14/03/2008 10:43:17
The statement of support from Rasoul Movahedian gives Alex Salmond a great opportunity to condemn outright the Iranian regime for the dozens of human rights violations, including murder, torture and imprisonment of students and journalists, all carried out in the name of Islam. As first minister he should distance Scotland from this regime of terror - Salmond should give a strong statement also supporting the groups within Iran opposing the regime and struggling for democracy.
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Sgurr,

14/03/2008 10:46:23
*NEWS FLASH*

Bin Laden admits, "I'm a Premium Subscriber to "The Scotsman" website and I'm a very naughty boy."
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 10:56:34
156

I dont think that goes far enough he should also distance himself from the murderous regimes in the US and Westminster.
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getinnnn,

Scotland 14/03/2008 10:56:50
The Iranian leadership is no worse than the U.K and USA leadership....although these are more of a World leadership rather than representing their own countries....kind of World controllers who do their majority of dirty work in other countries...appart from 9/11 of course when they try to blame someone else...
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 10:57:30
158 Further

And Israel.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 11:00:42
158. Well said. If he is condemning countries that are war mongering and abuse human rights he should start with the USA and the new Labour UK government which has contributed to 800,000 civilian deaths in Iran and collaborates with rendition/ torture - they shame us all.
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HughB,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:02:03
It says it in the story: He was an official guest of the Scottish Parliament, and met party leaders, including Alex Salmond.

So why is only the first ministers picture on the front page of the Scotsman???

Typical mud slinging again, and again, and again.

This newspaper has lost the plot.

Surely dialog between Scotland and other nations is better than threats of war if some nation doesn't comply immediately with another nations requirements.

This newspaper seems to be implying: WAR GOOD, PEACE BAD.

Is that what you are saying???
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:04:21
162

Aye these threads could really use another worthless troll.
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John H C,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:07:58
Most of this sounds like nazi Germany WW11. Why are people so coarse and rude? So much hatred and this is Scotland! What did we, or our forebears, fight and die for 1939-1945? We need freedom of speech and less mindless rhetoric.
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:11:36
108 Dublin Don- as presently constituted, the Holyrood Admins brief does not include Foreign Affairs. Trying to be objective, I must admit that I feel Alex S. is playing it close to the line here. I am all for dialogue and concede that the comparison with the UK talking to China is fair comment,but the First Minister should be careful here. Would he for example entertain Mugabe? As a Unionist I am intrigued by this story and please,dont always accuse the Scotsman of spin here-they have presented the facts with the SNP happy to add their pennys worth. Make of it what you will.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:13:11
165

Yer right Iran isnie even in the same murderous league as the US UK and Israel but then who is? apart fae Zimbabwe of course.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:14:12
166

How so?? it looks to me like a very healthy debate with all views being expressed.
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:17:49
163 Hugh B-why is the First ministers picture on the front page"- He IS the FIRST MINISTER. When Gordon brown meets somebody they puthis picture on the front page.
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getinnnn,

14/03/2008 11:22:40
#165
Yes: Fair comment: I have done Iran an injustice there.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:23:02
154

It was the Israelli ambassador last week should he have used the opertunity to condemn Israel on its murderous foreign policy then?
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:23:21
158,159 161-agree that the Iraqi war was an inexplicable and disastrous adventure by the USA and UK. And yet, do you really think apart from such serious lapses, that we are no better than Iran,North Korea etc? I am not interested in point scoring(most of the time) on this forum I participate in a genuine attempt to learn some truth-if there is such a thing.
Hanging Homosexuals for example-and I speak as a hetero-seems to me to be an act of evil from a regime that supposedly revers a compassionate(?) God.
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getinnnn,

14/03/2008 11:26:26
#170 The Dark Side
Does "Inshallah for now" mean "Goodbye" and, if so; Why are You still here because You said it already...
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:27:43
175 Foulkes-Israel uses a heavy hand in its defence but I always look at Israel as a tiny Nation surrounded by a hostile group twenty or more times its populace,one of whom-the Iranians have threatened to wipe them of the face of the Earth! Also,no nation has ever been the victim of such a systematic and dark act of genocide as that suffered by the Jews. Might explain their extreeme reactions. Oh and I am a Christian by heritage by the w.
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:27:43
175 Foulkes-Israel uses a heavy hand in its defence but I always look at Israel as a tiny Nation surrounded by a hostile group twenty or more times its populace,one of whom-the Iranians have threatened to wipe them of the face of the Earth! Also,no nation has ever been the victim of such a systematic and dark act of genocide as that suffered by the Jews. Might explain their extreeme reactions. Oh and I am a Christian by heritage by the w.
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Media 1,

cape town 14/03/2008 11:28:32
What's that saying!
Birds of a feather.....

Salmond will alienate Scotland from the international community if he continues the way he is going! The man is dangerous
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Edward,

14/03/2008 11:28:35
Can all the anti SNP posters on this forum get it through there collective thick skulls that the Iranian ambassador was a guest of the Scottish Parliament NOT the Scottish Government, he was welcomed by the presiding officer Alex Fergusson and met ALL politcal leaders including the first minister. The Iranian Ambassador like all visiting dignatories are free to say what they like.
Once again this paper trys to twist facts by insinuation, in have just the first ministr and the ambassador on the front page
163

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:30:47
177 Gettininn-Inshallah-"God Willing"
164

getinnnn,

14/03/2008 11:32:43
#180
The U.K has "alienated" Scotland from everything- even Olympics- Everything for 300 Years!
165

kennedysglass,

14/03/2008 11:33:59
#170 The Dark Side/Master/kimba/Sideshow Bob/many others: have you been banned from the Torygraph then? Can’t think of any reason aprart from this to explain why you insist on inflicting your drivel on this site! I know your too snobby too go near the west coast prols on the Herald.

#177: you've heard about the proverbial bad penny?
166

getinnnn,

14/03/2008 11:36:21
#182 Geoff
Thank You......"God Willing" as the meaning or "God Willing" the Dark Side has gone?....
167

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:36:53
179

I am sure you do but would you have that view if you had a hoose in Gaza??
168

Media 1,

cape town 14/03/2008 11:37:46
getinnn

Hhahaha! Aye right

Listen up, Scotland is a powerful part of the union, always has been. Her position as the wee force fed puppy at the mercy of the big dog England is nothing more than short sighted people dispensing their short sighted muck..
Scotland is so much more than some wee nothing state! Scotland is a proud, strong and VERY IMPORTANT member of a truly tremendous union partnership.
169

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:38:43
Media 1-howsit bru! Hows the sharks klap the blues!
181Edward-says in effect that"all anti SNP posters have thick skulls. To paraphrase Winnie I would reply"Some Skulls-some Brains!"

Its all good clean fun! :)
170

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:39:52
187 Media 1-well said!!!
171

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:41:16
179

Bullsh*t Stalin murdered 20 million plus under his regime alone and if you want to take the figures by percentages then there are far more murderous genocidal acts committed in Africa.
People will no longer allow rabid zionists to use the holocaust as an excuse for murderous foreign policy.
If you want to use pre-emtive strikes as a justifiable policy of national defence then you are saying Hitler invaded his neighbours as a pre-emptive strike in defence of Germany.
172

Geoff,

14/03/2008 11:41:18
185 getinnn :0)
173

Media 1,

cape town 14/03/2008 11:42:48
Geoff

Excellent result mate! That was one I thought would turn out different! What a relief.
Hows the Stormers earlier today?
SHARKS v Lions tomorrow, should be a tough one. I was supposed to go up and sit in a box with Xerox, but I had to decline.
Hows Durban? I was there last week for business and had a blast as usual.
Didnt make it to Joe Cools, pity!
Hope all good on your side mate.
174

Amparo de Glasgow,

14/03/2008 11:44:14
#180
Media 1 ...

Surely that is why Blair
... and his NewLayBore hoor-maister pal
... Mandy
... dreamt up Uncle Tom's Cabin
... and thrust it on the Scots???

Blair and Mandelson werenae daft.

They knew that wee Eck was an ingenue
... and a glaekit lunk-heid
... all part of the plan
... to make the rest of planet Earth
... laugh at us Scottish


... yes??
175

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:46:45
190 Foulkes-in my mind are images of men,women and little children lining up to be butchered by a race of people that were supposed to be the worlds most civilised. The Nazi Holocaust stands apart as a clinical,mechanical,psychopathic act of deliberate slaughter in my opinion. Stalin and African genocides are in the same league -so whats your point? The comparison between what Israel is doing and hitler is simply absurd. Hitler over ran the whole of Europe. I disagrre with Israels heavy handed response to attacks from Gaza but you cant compare the two situations.
176

Amparo de Glasgow,

14/03/2008 11:47:50
Wee Eck has not only been hoodwinked (like the glaekit numpty he is)
... he has been manipulated beyond belief.
Scrap Uncle Tom's Cabin
... it is an exercise in numpty-ism.
177

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:48:06
176

Yes of course that is exactly what I think who in their right mind can possibly think anything else??
The biggest land grab in world history was perpetrated by the British or more acurately by the English and their unionist lackys throughout the UK.

And the US justice system still executes innocents due to its faulty justice procedures. If the UK still had the death penalty then the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6 would now be dead also.
The US has sponsered terrorism all over the world and both the US and the UK share the infamous reputation of being the 2 biggest arms dealers in the world and that includes WMDs!!!!!
For christ sake wake up.
178

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:48:54
192-ta Media-we will get a dop together one of these days!
179

kimba,

14/03/2008 11:50:34
180. Salmond is more than dangerous,remember the "peace in our time" speech by Neville Chamberlain,a few months later we were at war;pasifists put civilian lives at risk.
180

subrosa,

14/03/2008 11:50:40
Can anyone tell me how to find the letters page on here? Thanks.
181

getinnnn,

14/03/2008 11:50:51
#187
I don't think Scotland is as powerful a part of the Union as You may think: Did Scotland want to go into Iraq or to have all that Nuclear stuff? Is Scotland the majority Country?.....Who wants power anyway?Maybe We will just want Ourselves now and have Our Saltire flag above our buildings and not the Union Jack.
182

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 11:52:44
194

Then I suggest therapy.
And I have never compared Israel with Hitler.
Israel in fact is not responsible for its foreign policies its the Israelli government and its supporters world wide just as the UK and the US are not responsible for nor even support the wars in Iraq and Afganistan.
So lets make that perfectly clear before we go any further. I am referring always to murderous regimes within these nations.
183

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 11:59:05
196 foulkes-your posts reek of angry self righteous extreemism not to mention intolerance. I dont have to wake up -neither you nor any of us have all the answers. The British empire left behind much good when it shut up shop-the situation in many of the countries that it left behind was considerably better than a priori. Mankind-including the PERSIANS,Picts.Scots,Zulus,Angles,Turks etc etc have all pillaged raped conquered etc.. The British with only ONE PERCENT of the worlds population were just better at conquering and much of what they left behind was good. Scots featured out of all proportion to their numbers in that venture-to their credit! Just because you regard them as Unionist lackeys doesnt give you any divine right to Scottishness.
184

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:03:47
Getinnn-200-congrats on the double century! As to saltire and uj-there is nothing wrong with flying both!

I am off back to work-ta guys for the debate and have a good day Foulkes. Catch u guys later
185

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:05:13
203

And yours smacks of a level of bias and predudice that would shame any zionist extremist.
There never is one side to any story but folk like you are incapable of leaving yer ain wee bubble of righteousness.
Do you honestly think the US the UK and Israel are the shining knights in white armour policing the world in the name of democracy and world peace????
186

getinnnn,

14/03/2008 12:05:28
I want a Country: not an Empire....or a U.K
187

Miss H,

14/03/2008 12:11:58
203 You may think his post reeks of self righteous extreemism not to mention intolerance - but nothing he has said is untrue is it?

You need to face facts as they are. Yes many nations have set out to conquer others, build an empire and impose their values and way of life on others. Let us assume that some people may have done that with the best of intentions. Let us also accept the 'what have the Romans ever done for us?' argument. Viaducts and aqueducts are very useful things after all.

But the fact is all empires implode and fail in the end, usually with a great deal of unnecessary bloodshed, pain and suffering. The American Empire will implode and fail as well.

Humanity asa whole would be much better off if political leaders learned that lesson.
188

kimba,

14/03/2008 12:15:54
206. Did your mother never tell you "I want never gets"!
189

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:17:48
205 Foulkes-it may surprise you to learn that I certainly dont think the US UK and Israel are Knights in Shining armour-far from it. The point I am trying to make is that no side has a monopoly on good or evil. It is really difficult to see the world objectively-I dont have all the answers. And by the way, I think you are really unfair-nay, unkind to call me an extreemist. i have never thought of myself as one. You should have a look at some of the Holocaust footage again-little children-I think of my own kids standing there-it just happens to strike a particular chord with me. As I have quoted in the past-from Rod McKuen" There is no wrong side nor right side-No side of the angels and none that Devlis may call their very own" We should ALL have some humility!
190

getinnnn,

14/03/2008 12:18:40
204
Hooraayyyy! I didn't notice! Thanks.

I'm not a Phsycho with a UJ war banner in one hand and a flag of My own peace loving ,nuclear bomb free Nation in the other.
191

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:19:00
206 Getinnn-Iwant a country...nothing wrong with that my friend.we just see things differently.
192

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:19:01
206 Getinnn-Iwant a country...nothing wrong with that my friend.we just see things differently.
193

abt,

14/03/2008 12:19:30
So Iran endorses Alex Salmond. Says it all really. Sigh!
194

kimba,

14/03/2008 12:23:39
214,hey spook,long time no talk,how's it hanging!
195

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:26:52
214

The only friction being caused is by this newspapers spin on a foreign ambassadors visit to Scotland.
It is no different to having the Israelli ambassador visiting here the other week except there was no spin put on that visit to suggest AS and the SNP support Israel and is foreign and domestic policies.
Any problems occuring because of this will be put firmly at the door of anti SNP independence sentiment expressed by unionists.
Its that simple that obvious that even you should be able to see it.
196

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:28:02
207 miss H-true,but humanity never learns lessons. We have on balance gone backwards since the Stone Age in many respects. Quite a few things Foulkes said are untrue in my view-labelling a majority of Scots as Unionist lackeys for eg, calling ME an extreemist(sniff).
197

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:28:42
Spelling geoff!-shud be extremist!
198

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:28:43
Spelling geoff!-shud be extremist!
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Nic83,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:29:45
What a cynical, non-story from The Scotsman. So they interviewed Mohavedian, asked him if he knew the difference between Holyrood and Westminster and when he unsurprisingly said "of course" went on to ask if there are any similarities between SNP policy and Iranian. He conceded they both oppose the war and somehow that's headline news?! Or best case scenario it is a move by Mohavedian to provoke tension. Either way there's no story here and the SNP has nothing to be embarrassed about, as the Hootsmon is all too aware. I note another leading story slamming Salmond today. Any chance of some actual reporting?
200

Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 12:30:54
216
For a change;-)
201

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:31:05
214-Spook-howsit stranger! good post!
202

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:32:04
209

Yes that certainly would surprise me because you certainly dont come across as somebody with a global point of view at all.
Israel has a murderous foreign policy problem Iran has a domestic human rights problem one doesnt relate to the other they are 2 seperate issues and problems yet many including yourself are trying to link the two to justify the one.
Thats what I have a problem accepting.
203

The Master,

14/03/2008 12:34:02
This is a kick in the teeth for the Nats: following the rapport which Gorgeous George was able to establish with Saddam, Alex has now equalled this feat by winning the approval of yet another disrespected heavyweight from the Middle East. Don’t try telling me that he met politicians from all parties: he’s referring to the Scottish perspective on international topics and such talk can only have come from Dear Leader, who’s obviously impressed him greatly. If anyone doubts the dark side of nationalism, just look at its affinity with this Iranian reactionary! I have much more to say about this hilarious piece of theatre, so rest assured that you’ve not heard the last from me today!

#215 kimba: haven't you heard that Spook's now come out as Ivan Sproule's maestro?
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:36:36
Hey spook Foulkes(the one who calls ME an extremist says of you" Its that simple,that obvious, that EVEN YOU should be able to see it!

I rest my case Milord!
205

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:39:01
224 Foulkes-seriously now-no point scoring intended. What do you say of Irans threat to "Wipe Israel off the map?"
206

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:39:03
224 Foulkes-seriously now-no point scoring intended. What do you say of Irans threat to "Wipe Israel off the map?"
207

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:39:13
225

No he hasnt didnt you read the story? he was invited by the Parliament not the SNP just as the Israelli ambassador was invited last week are you suggesting AS now has a rapport with both Israel and Iran over the same issues and wouldnt that be a good or a bad thing???
Or dont you really give a sh*t its just another juicy anti SNP story for you to troll over?
208

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:40:44
227

"IRAN" didnie threaten to wipe Israel of the face of map who said they did???
209

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:44:04
225 the master-great post!- This is all good clean fun guys-personally Foulkes can call me what he likes-too old and battle scarred to worry.

Vaguely on subject-have yous seen Charlie wilsons War with Tom Hanks-interesting and great entertainment!
210

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:50:18
Meths and foulkes-then I humbly stand corrected-that certainly puts a different light and shows how views can be moulded but who to believe? Thats what i said about the diffiulties of finding some truth. The bizarre irony is that on a human level-with the ants-most people have some common humanity. I have no beef with Iranians really nor with Americans-am no fan of george bush but then the Ayatollahs poster wasna on my bedroom wall neither.
What to think! But the yanks helped us out of Hitlers clutches inWW2. We should have long memories there!
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Hamilton,

14/03/2008 12:50:37
#155
Afghanistan? Not only is Iran's help needed, but Russia's president says his country will assist. Some estimate that a force level of half a million troops will be required to stabilize Afghanistan, given its size and difficult terrain.

But it's up to America whether Iran and Russia help out.
212

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:51:53
218

I dont know if you are an extremist or not but some of your views are as are some of mine. I dont see myself as an extremist but some might. Maybe I am extreme in my wish to see an Independent Scotland but I am not extreme enough to want to hurt anybody because of it so how extreme is that? on the other hand many zionists and others on these threads support violent action as justifiable measures of foreign policy I dont. Violence may be forced upon us such as WW2 but that doesnt justify going out looking for it such as Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan, Lebanon Gaza and now possibly Iran does it?
213

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 12:53:09
Spook-exams? If so good luck. Remember, the best quality swatting is always the six hours on the night before!
214

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 12:55:43
237

That would only be true if it was only the Iranian ambassador who was invited and not also the Israelli ambassador. Iran couldnt play this up if it tried.
Israel could then turn around and say but we were there first.
215

The Master,

14/03/2008 12:55:46
#229 Foulkes: granted that he was invited by the parliament not the SNP, but he’s obviously ignored all the others and homed in on the main man and liked what he heard. Like I said, birds of a feather…

#235 Geoff: Charlie Wilson’s War is one of those films that disappeared before I had a chance to catch it. Sounded interesting though.
216

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14/03/2008 12:59:05
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:03:44
246

What do you mean homed in??? AS is the first minister are you suggesting he should have been ignored? or should AS have snubbed him? and what kind of headline would this paper have spun out of that?
218

britsout,

camelon 14/03/2008 13:05:23
yes the iranian people should stop being who they are IMMEDIATELY . and start being more like amerikkkans and brittos. those people have brought such peace and harmony to the world its a wonder that there is any resistance to the idea in iran itself . i mean cant they see that the world owes its vision of peace to the amerikkkan military / industrial complex and its sparing use of force all around the world ?
219

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 13:06:45
243 Foulkes-I dont think anybody has the stomach for war with Iran-I would never support such a move nor did i support the war against Iraq altho I am sure most agree that Saddam was an odious leader! In general I also agree-jaw jaw any time over the alternative. WeARE manipulated in our mass opinions by powerful business interests in oil and weaponary but then there are also some sinister despots now and in the future that the "civilised" world will have to confront. These issues,Foulkes, are always difficult. there are no books with ready made answers regretably.
220

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:08:11
256

I agree.
221

kimba,

14/03/2008 13:09:10
spook. To much info, but tighter undies may solve the problem!
222

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:09:30
254

I was wrong the other day its a strange feeling.
223

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 13:11:28
Meths 250-perhaps you should look in on Spook-the lassies can wait!!
224

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 13:18:54
264 Spook-tight undies can affect you voice not to mention ones fertility!
225

kimba,

14/03/2008 13:20:07
254,spook. Well they reckon it's better for your reproduction,that's if you want to reproduce!
226

kimba,

14/03/2008 13:26:58
spook. I concur, not even if you were the last guy on this earth, but if I were pished enough..........
227

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 13:34:50
village idiot is back in town, I see.

Dull, repetitive and irrelevant. No further introduction required.

228

Embra Don,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:41:50
"the latest praise from the Iranians will prove embarrassing, as it comes from a country constantly criticised for human rights abuses" The reporter seeks a comment from a repressive regime and then tries to associate it with the SNP. This simplistic nonsense is the stuff of the Daily Mail.
229

kimba,

14/03/2008 13:44:38
spook,no fear of that,and besides already have the most wonderful guy.
230

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 13:45:01
spook ;)

Get on with your revision, laddie!

231

motherload,

montana mountain 14/03/2008 13:46:06
so very far from the 'real' world, I. easy life, I...
looking forward to WW3, I? indeed not, but the ways of man are mysterious at best. hand shakes, hugs, kissing the cheek, then treachery, backstabbing, cut your throat or your neighbors, then tomorrow more hugs, smiles, then a stoning, woman raped and rolled in a rug while her two year old watches. 'wheres your mum?'
'daddy put her in a rug'
for those who actually step outside of their own forced environment to embrace anothers, you would think they would at least do their homework first or have the best advisors and actually take their advice instead of putting on blinders to befriend a man who puts all woman in his country in the 'rug'... am i wrong? beautiful mountain lake out my front door. sorry you're not here. such troubles the scots embroil themselves in. tata
232

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 13:46:56
he's pictured here: http://welcomeconsumer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/blindman.jpg
233

Embra Don,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 13:47:02
The regime in Iran are there as a result of Washington and Westminster conspiring to overthrow a peoples government and replace it with their pet tyrant in the Shah.
234

kimba,

14/03/2008 13:56:33
SGURR. When you finally grow up and stop your billious remarks,who knows,you may turn in to a decent individual,until then take your fcuked up mindset and plague those who care!
235

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14/03/2008 13:58:02
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Sgurr,

14/03/2008 14:01:53
281 LOL!!! :D

I don't shop in fcuk ever - what are you on about, troll?
237

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 14:02:43
off her troll-ey.
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kimba,

14/03/2008 14:09:21
284. Put your specks on numpty, I didnae mention "shop", but theirs a brave ned, hiding behind a computer! and so full of bile it must burst your spleen.
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WKKB,

14/03/2008 14:14:40
It wasn't long ago I read an article about Muslim protesters in london saying they would infiltrate the UK in whatever way they could to get their job done. I think it actually said they would take over the UK. Well... what better place to start than in Scotland where politicians don't think about what they're doing. Iran is now and will continue to be a threat to the world. One day it was buddy buddy to the US a few years later the US was trying to negotiate American hostage releases and flying all the Americans and others out of the country because their lives were at risk. Now they want to be buddy buddy with us? I wouldn't trust them as far as I could pick them up and throw them.
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Fortunado,

Geneva 14/03/2008 14:21:13
I just counted 21 posts that have been removed by teh Administrator, the lst being # 127. Some statistics: this means over the first 127 postings 16.54% were considered unsuitable. During the last 165 postings, this has dropped to 0%. Over all unsuitables over 288 postings is 7.29%.

Curiously, each removal reads « Comment Removed By Administrator. Reason:…..”. The “Reason” part although it has been provided presumably to let one know why the comment has been removed, in none of the cases it has been filled.
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Sgurr,

14/03/2008 14:23:33
Dark Side - not my work, unfortunately! Though, if dimba were here I sense the level of conversation would rise substantially above kimba's usual chat! Funny that kimba doesn't see the irony in her usual method of casual anti-scots bile, from her own "hiding behind a computer" position...eh?!
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larry b,

toronto 14/03/2008 14:25:17
Even the great and esteemed leader of Iran must by now be aware of the friendly forum offerred to all anti Israel zealots in these pages. It surely is just a matter of time until we hear here his specific plans for the destruction of Israel. Patience Mcjihadis yout Iranian Idol may soon have a regular column in the Scotsman.
So great to see the yoke of fairness cast off!
243

monkey man,

14/03/2008 14:25:23
Alex Salmond has gained some very dubious new friends lately,one a religious fundamentalist RC cult that hates gay people and a country like Iran that hangs gay people from cranes in their city centres as entertainment.

Scotland's Shame indeed.!
244

Saltireblue,

14/03/2008 14:25:41
"He was speaking on a visit to Scotland, where he was an official guest of the Scottish Parliament. He met party leaders, including the First Minister."

'Where he was an official guest....' Don't tell me somebody actually invited this fool.
245

Kenny,,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 14:25:55
This is nothing more than a blatant attempt at sh*t stirring by the Scotsman. I'm sure they knew exactly what they were doing when they put their leading questions to the Iranian ambassodor. Cue the predictable responses of the unionist/british nationalist fanatics.
246

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:28:19
292

Aye and dont forget Israels ambassador last week.
247

Highland Mighty,

14/03/2008 14:29:52
Salmond just loves anyone who is anti-UK, whoever they are.

Fantastic.
248

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:30:12
291

Then why is it plagued with pro zionist extremists?
249

Fortunado,

14/03/2008 14:30:35
Just as I posted, # 255 was also removed, sending my calculations up in smoke!
250

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:31:05
296

Is that a bad thing then??
251

kimba,

14/03/2008 14:32:48
SGURR. Pity you can't see the only "anti-scots bile" I have is with the likes of you,my dad is scots,but MEVER have I witnessed such anti-english venom as what you have spued out of your mouth; you seem to give it but can't take it back,typical sots-nat!
252

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 14:32:52
...though, thats not to say that Sgurr isn't an alternate moniker for another regular contributor...an enigma, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in a conundrum, wrapped in an old plastic bag....thats me....or is it?
253

Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 14:33:01
300?
254

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:33:02
287

Ah I see he was invited to infiltrate and by a Tory MSP too incredible! where do I sign up for my Farsi lessons?
255

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 14:36:37
kimba - I have never been anti-english, ever. If i'm a nationalist, its because I think it is the best way of running Scotland. It has nothing to do with England at all....but your myopic understanding of Scottish politics won't allow you to recognise that scenario. Yes, there are racists who also vote SNP, but there are also racists who vote Labour, Conservative, Green, and for the Alfred the Fish Party. It doesn't mean the either the party or the majority of supporters are racist. Go away, troll.
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K McDonald,

Glasgow 14/03/2008 14:39:36
Salmond has reaped what he sowed with his "I am a nuclear armed power, I will heal the world, respect my greatness" letter to humanity. His party has been infiltrated by islamists and now follows to the letter their Anti-Western theocratic foreign agendas. The Iraninan mullahs know a mug when the see one. Salmond has given the islamist priests another wedge issue to exploit.

Salmond's disciples follow the foreign policies of islamist priests. It is disturbing that some here revel in a backslapping from those who exist to replace the laws of man with those laid down by an angel to a desert dwelling illiterate 1400 years ago.

Scotland, the best wee country in the Caliphate...Dont bet against it.

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Rasputin 2,

14/03/2008 14:39:41
#292 monkey man: this is what put Ayrshire Scot off joining the SNP for long enough!
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monkey man,

14/03/2008 14:45:42
This highly suspect Salmond character is just another reason why I would never fight to defend Scotland or owe it any emotional allegiance whatsoever.
259

Saruman,

14/03/2008 14:47:21
#301 Sgurr: you admit you’re a troll with multiple ids, then? That’s just despicable!
260

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 14:54:13
HM monkey man rasputin K Mcdonald

what are the odds of this lot being the same sick wee troll?
261

Sgurr,

14/03/2008 14:54:57
310...or am I? Intrigue, intrigue...
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The Master,

14/03/2008 14:57:19

#309 Now! Now! There’s no need to be like that! Alex has been allowed power on a “give him enough rope” basis and we’ve already seen the noose tighten with the scandal over the about turn on bus deregulation when Souter broke open his piggybank, the Trumpgate sleaze and now this mud which has been dropped on him by some allegedly misunderstood Iranian fellow.
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Miss H,

14/03/2008 14:59:20
240 Geoff The Soviet Union also played a wee part in helping to defeat Hitler did they not? Didn't mean we had to become best mates with Stalin and I wouldn't be keen to sign up to Putin's fan club either.
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Nat King Troll,

14/03/2008 15:02:19
#311: who gov? Me gov?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 15:11:59
313

Aye no doubt all of the Scottish Labour, Tory and Lib Dem MSPs voted for the SNP at the last election just to make sure they got in and then sold them the rope.

Is this really to be the measure of your posts? Is there actually a profit in cyber trolling? does it pay?
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monkey man,

14/03/2008 15:12:07
Alex Salmond cosying up to notorious Jew haters and gay haters.? Mmmmm....Not a good image for One Scotland Many Cultures, eh.?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 15:28:53
Boy, don't these middle eastern totalitarian regimes know how to massage the egos of minor western politicians? Puff out your chests, and step forward wee Geordie Galloway and Alex Salmond.
Just try and ignore the stench as you over-look their antisemitic, holocaust-denying, misogyny and homophobia. They hate our country almost as much as you do and since any enemy of Britain seems to be a friend to you, it's win-win right?
Pathetic.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 15:30:02
Meths,
I'd rather hoped you would be above this sly and rather sordid apology for anti-semitism. It's Israel not the jews. Aye, right. NEXT.
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Saruman,

14/03/2008 15:38:48
#317: what about the affect within Iran of all this cosying up to separatists? I just hope that the Azerbayani minority in Iran start picking fights with Ahmadinejad now! Bet they’re full of themselves, just like Nats everywhere!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 15:50:15
319. Grahamski

can you explain to us why New Labour are at present deporting a gay man back to Iran, as you point out it is a homophobic regime?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 15:53:14
319

Funnily enough HM AM2 EV whoever I got that very same impression when I watched Tony Blair sucking up to Gaddaffi for oil concessions and Thatcher with Pinochet.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 15:57:15
327. Well indeed. I get the same impression when the UK labour government cooperates with rendition/torture and refuses to condemn Guantanamo Bay abuses.

Weird that Blair went to meet Gaddafi when the UK government says he was responsible for Lockerbie. And did Thatcher declare that Pinochet "brought democracy to Chile" - weird way of doing it, by bombing the elected president and torturing and killing thousands.

I wonder if Blair cosying up to Saudi Arabia, which also tortures people, and stopping a fraud investigation in Saudi arms deals, was new Labour human rights and ethical foreign policy in action?
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Highland Mighty,

14/03/2008 16:00:07
327/328.

Ah, so it's okay for Salmond to cosy up to someone who wants to wipe Israel off the map because PMs have spoken to undesirables in the past.

That's okay then.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 16:02:36
329. In what way is Salmond "cosying up"? The Iranian ambassador visited the Scottish parliament and met all political leaders. The Iranian abassador expressed a view. Please explain?

Sure Blair actually going repeatedly to meet Gaddafi for oil deals and fawning over him was a tad more cosy?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 16:03:46
329. Is Israel not currently in breach of 4 United Nations Security Council resolutions? I thought, given Iraq wasn't in breach of any but got mashed anyway and 800,000 civilians killed, that type of thing was serious?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 16:04:02
Salmond must come out against this now he cannot be seen to accept praise from a man who would love to nuke Israel out of exsistence and deny women any rights.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 16:05:16
332. Why did the Labour Home Office approve the deportation of a gay man back to Iran last year?
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Saruman,

14/03/2008 16:06:34
#326 Meths: read the article if you’ve never heard of them! Malcolm Rifkind's certainly heard of them! Btw, you've just insulted them, hiding behind your cyber cload of anonymity as you do!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 16:07:59
334. Had the UK government heard of the Kurds when it was supplying arms to Saddam?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 16:09:51
336. The quote was "The Imam has said that the regime controlling Jerusalem will be wiped from the page of time". He was speaking at a conference against Zionism, and the subject of his speech was Zionism.
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Furchrissake,

14/03/2008 16:09:52
A wee message for all the pro-Israelis on here
is what jews believe in:

The basic Talmudic doctrine includes more than a "super-race" complex. It is an "only" race concept. The non-Jew thus ranks as an animal , has no property rights and no legal rights under any code whatever. "Milk the Gentile," is the Talmudic rule, but don't get caught in such a way as to jeopardize Jewish interests. Talmudism is the quintesscence of distilled hatred and discrimination — without cause, against non-Jews. (that is you and me, fellow Scots)

'If a Jew has coitus with a Gentile woman, whether she be a CHLD OF THREE or an adult, whether married or unmar-ried, and even if he is a minor aged only nine years and one day - because he had willful coitus with her, she must be killed, as is the case with a beast, because through her a Jew got into trouble.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 16:13:03
329

Why not he is expected to cosy up to the murderous regimes in the US and Westminster whats one more??
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AJ Fife,

14/03/2008 16:15:46
Late to the show. But isn't it great that Scotland can forge new friendships with other oil producing countries(could be handy in the future), and isn't Alex Salmond the best First Minister ever?

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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 16:16:14
isreal has done a lot of bad stuff but remember it is a small DEMOCRACY surrounded on all sides by countries whoa are officially stll at war with it. Whose combined populations outnumber it 20 to 1 and it has beaten them very time. i wonder if some of the nats who hate them are jealous that a country like that can survive when they have very opportunity to be independent but cannot persuade their fellow countrymen to vote against the "hated" union.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 16:18:10
342. Is Israel currently in breach of international law and several UN Security Council Resolutions?
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Saruman,

14/03/2008 16:18:58
#339 Meths: Rifkind probably thought, “there must be separatist fruticakes in Iran!” and googled it! Methinks he’d be good on this forum: that’s what it’s all about on here!
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AJ Fife,

14/03/2008 16:21:34
#342,

Wasn't the Yom Kippur War a draw? How about all the embarrassing withdrawals from Lebanon?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 16:25:00
The yom kippur war was definitely not a draw read the history as for the withdrawals from Lebanon the aim was NEVER to conquer lebanon just to control enough to stop rockets being fired into northern Isreali towns. I guess a lot of people will be leaving Scotland if the likesz of you think Iran is your ideal role model I would rather live in London than tehran nad yes I have been to both.
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Wee Fifer,

edinburgh 14/03/2008 16:25:40
I don't see any praise for Iran from Mr Salmond in this article, although the authors refer to it. Being pressed for time I haven't googled 'praise Salmond Iran regime' today by way of verification, perhaps if the Scotsman were more reliable then I would make the effort thinking that they deleted the paragraph form their story by mistake. Just out of interest, when was it that the Scotsman gave up on the idea of being the newspaper of record? What are they talking about? This on the back of a cobbled together 'opinion piece' from Wendy Alexander yesterday where she accuses the First Minister of trying to use the LIT as a cynical vote winning ploy and saying that it is 'nothing less than a tax on those in work.' My God, what a stupid comment, doesn't she have people to help her make sense? Can't say that I could even be bothered to read her piece through to the end, rather like switching off during her interminable 'questions' at FMQs.
The Scotsman's headlines are good for those of us who like to play the game of 'what will they come up with next'. Must have been difficult to choose from this week, what with the 'done nothing wrong but it's fishy anyway smoking gun story (Trump), they couldn't even find no intentional wrongdoing' and 'said nothing wrong but it's still fishy smoking gun story (no unintentional anything on Iran)'. Not being a dogmatic supporter of the SNP I still find myself cheering on the First Minister every time I read the Scotsman's slurs and blatant misrepresentations. Keep up the good work. Surprised too by the silly comments from the two grandees (Sir Ming and Sir Malcolm) - Azeri minority - what an analogy - and one ayatollah to another? God help us.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 16:25:48
342

When did Israel become a democracy then?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 16:30:30
I was their in 1996 when the entire country voted in a GENERAL election. The unfortunate result was the leection of Netanyahu but they live with the result because they are a democracy.
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FowlerAP,

Dunfermline 14/03/2008 16:33:02
I'd rather be allied to Iran than Gordon Brown's despicable england.

Best remember that the only possible reason that Scotland could ever be a target for terrorism is our completely unnecceassary association with one of the most hated nation on the planet - england. The sooner we can distance ourself from the atrocious politics of that atrocious nation the safewr the people of Scotland will be. Bring on independance & good luck to Iran, good to see they are not willing to be intimidated by the worlds biggest threat to peace & security -America.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 16:38:31
#354

Of course you would you would not be allowed to sat that as freedom to blog etc is banned in Iran. Your wife/girlfriend is would be covered head to toe and thta gorgeous abbey you have would be knocked down and replace by a mosque. No freedom of religion. For fcks sake think about what you are saying.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 16:43:19
353

Really? and your definition of a democracy is that folk were allowed to vote in a election. Funnily enough the same thing happened in Zimbabwe no that long ago it was all very democratic by your definition of course.
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Patrick O'Shaunnessy,

14/03/2008 16:51:29
I like the Iranians. When it comes to international diplomacy, there's nobody cuter.
We should end the union and form a new united kingdom with Iran.
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Paloma negra,

14/03/2008 16:56:20
continued ...
Mohammed nine year old "wife"
was called Aishea
... check it out.


It is well documented.

Also check out the rapes commited by him and his followers.


They can not be regarded as tolerent or morally pure ... by any stretch of the imagination.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 17:07:52
359

I bet we could get a far better deal at least they wont have to pinch our oil.
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Senga Jean,

Scotland 14/03/2008 17:14:45
What a lovely contrived story by the enemies of Scotland.....the "Scottish" Unionists! I am against Trident and would also support Iran..if it were a fully democratic country i.e. no "sifting" of candidates.
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britsout,

camelon 14/03/2008 17:20:09
meths , for the apologists its a matter of faith never to be questioned that the terms jewish and zionist are one and the same , even when pointed out to them that SCOTTISH JEWS FOR A JUST PEACE write open letters to the scottish press condemning the zionist entity in its treatment of the original and rightful owners they are rubbished as stooges . they have no shame . its the psychosis of guilt that drives this argument .
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seattlebarbie,

here not there 14/03/2008 17:20:30
My comment on the story, not the bloggers:
lie down with dogs, get up with fleas...
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kimba,

14/03/2008 17:24:01
341, Must be all that sgurrying around,if you get my drift!
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kimba,

14/03/2008 17:25:53
367,meths. why would you want to know that?
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kimba,

14/03/2008 17:34:41
374,meths. not so bad thanks, sorry, wasn't implying anything;they have found the missing 9 year old in Barnsley at some paedo's flat.
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Richardinho,

14/03/2008 17:44:44
I think we should have friendly relations with Iran. In fact I remember a few years ago Jack Straw going over there when he was foreign secretary and having a friendly meeting. Of course that was before the Americans dictated a change in policy to us.

It is bizarre that the unionists are trying to use this to attack the SNP. It's obvious to anyone that there's nothing Alex Salmond can do to stop the President of Iran saying what he thinks.
The whole thing smacks of desperation. Additionally some of the attacks by the unionists have been intemperate,completely false and utterly disgraceful.
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Saruman,

14/03/2008 17:47:08
# Sideshow Bob: hope your keyboard gets stuck by lightning soon (here’s to Sideshow Bob 3!)
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Sgurr,

14/03/2008 17:49:17
it is frankly amazing that the wee lass was found alive - anyone remember a similar outcome? There was that Austrian girl, but I can't think of any others. Hope she isn't too damaged by it.

Right, I've got an important meeting with 5 pints of IPA in the offing. A friday night out? Ye Gods!

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Richardinho,

14/03/2008 18:02:26
Another point about this story; It is another indicator of how the election of an SNP government has raised the profile of the country internationally. Last years election was seen as Scots 'standing up for themselves', and won them the respect and sympathy of many round the world.
It is an indicator of the huge well of goodwill that exists ready to rise up, if we can just make the last vital step towards self government.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:16:16
371

And yet its all true irrespective of how I present it.
My manner may be unpaletable to some but the unionists on these threads seem to have a serious problem disputing my arguments of course it helps to argue from the morale and factual high ground.
You are very welcome to try and dispute anything I say on these threads at any time.
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Hickory,

US 14/03/2008 18:16:48
Ye lash out at each other while this dirty little man tricks you into his trap. Beware, that is not a bug crawlin' up ye kilt. Ye think the little problem at the Glasgow airport shook ye up, wait 'till ye get a bunch of these bad characters in and the pain will grow. Mark me words. There once was a lady who rode a tiger............
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ThePeter,

Glasgae 14/03/2008 18:17:20
Harsh but fair
Both coutries run by nutters
All elections mean are another bunch of nutters in charge...
However, Iran has the advantage - it has been civilized for over 3000 years when our ancestors wre running around in skins and Neds had not evolved from pieces of excrement....
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:20:54
392

It can be you if you like fill yer boots.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:22:03
393

So what do you think about the Israelli ambassadors visit here last week? much the same??
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Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 18:25:57
400?
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Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 18:28:06
Evening All.

Iran=Evil.Iranian meets Eck.Eck=Evil.

Wonderful Unionist logic.
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Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 18:30:43
402
Conan the getting home from work-er.

Seems to have been a spirited debate.

Extreme mentalism abounding.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 18:32:35
#403

All we need is Salmond to say he does not want nay praise from the Iranians and this will blow over.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 18:35:15
At last the answer to whether bears do indeed sh1t in the woods, of course they flipping do.

http://tinyurl.com/ywxju5
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Displaced Scot,

UK 14/03/2008 18:36:12
I dont think the SNP understand the concept of Devolution within the UK. We only have to look to our own people in th Anglosphere to see how devolved government works. Australia has six states within the federation. Each state has its own Parliament, with a State Premier. The states dont have a foreign policy or defence force, as that is handed by the Federal Government in Camberra. The state Governments do have representatives in London, who are called Agent Generals, and they promote their own states.
There is nothing to stop the Scottish Government having offices overseas, to promote Scotland, for investment tourism etc.

If the SNP Government can see anything in common with a regime that treats Women as second class citizenz, denies candidates whom they dont like, the chance to stand for election which is only a few days away, so the elections are rigged before we start. Is this how the SNP wants to run things in the future, you have been warned.
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:40:51
406

Should he also decline any praise from Israel as well then?
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Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 18:58:45
405

Aye and aboot as likely as us all having to learn Farsi by the end of the year but not according to some of the w*nkers on these threads.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:07:13
#415
So, as a total of Iraq's arsenal what was the US's total of arms supplied to Iraq between the 70s and to the time Iraq was liberated? Just give me a ball park figure and where you're getting your stats.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:13:10
419. Grahamski

the USA and UK sold weapons to Iraq before, and after, he gassed the Kurds.

Does it make it OK if they just sold him a few weapons?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:16:30
419 "Iraq was liberated"?

Liberated? Oh dear, new Labour apology speak for killing 800,000 civilians, causing 2 million refugees and leaving a shattered country with cholera epidemic. "LIberated"???
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:18:54
Oh Wolfie,
Save your student union trot rhetoric for somebody who cares....
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:19:57
Meths,
Any idea how much of Iraq's arsenal was supplied by the evil US?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:21:17
422. Cool, I am a Trot Nat :-)
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:21:56
really? you hid that well.........lol
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Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 19:22:33
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_sales_to_Iraq_1973-1990

If you want to trust wikipedia, that is.
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 19:23:23
Just seen a brief insert on Iran on the Euronews Channel-as politically neutral a broadcaster as you can get. Scathing comment on Iranian election-result a foregone conclusion and a low turnout guaranteed with the bulk of the population under thirty and cynical! The vfew brave enough to give an interview despaired of any real change. Also women are ery much 2nd class citizens-police dstop them in the streets if Sharia dress codes are not strictly observed(great pity-some beautiful ladies hidden under a mound of black) Alex Salmond and any other politician in theUK shouldnt give these despots the time of day let alone fete them at our Parliaments! Not having a go at you Nats-would expect the same from Unionists. Alex may have expressed his concern over human rights but your man Ahmaddinejad will not be swayed a jot by the first minister.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:24:22
423 £568 million worth, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. inlcuding military helicopters.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:25:12
425,
OK I'll do it for you, the US supplied less than 0.5% of Iraq's arsenal. Why not criticise Denmark or Brazil who supplied more? Stats from Stockholm Peace Institute in a report made after Iraq's liberation.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:30:01
430. That is OK then. As long as they only supplied c $600 million worth of weapons to a state that was gassing Kurds. If it had been $800 million it ould of course have been an outrage.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 19:31:31
Iranian trained and armed insurgents are killing scottish troops in iraq, like to see salmond explain thta one next time he visits Redford or Dreghorn
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:34:27
433
wow, you can cut and paste, so what?
431
tell it to your student union, I've been around for too long to care about trot rants, got bored listening to posturing yahoos in the 80s...
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:34:58
432. What are you dribbling about.

The Iranian Ambassador to the UK visited the parliament, as a guest of the presiding officer, and met all political leaders. He then voiced some opinions.

At no point has Salmond praised Iran.

Explain your bizarre post.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:38:19
435
Bird by name bird by brain, go squawk your ludicrous world view elsewhere, try Ayrshire he seems to be a fan of infantile disorders...
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 14/03/2008 19:39:47
#436

By not publically denouncing the praise Salmond is accepting the Iranian involvement in the death of Scottish soldiers, not my own opinion but the opinion of the soldiers I have spoken to today.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:42:08
439,
You're looking a wee bit peeky, are you feeling ok? I do hope you haven't caught that nasty 'flu doing the rounds...
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Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 19:43:23
440
So do you disagree with those soldiers?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:43:50
432/440. I find your logic odd. New Labour have embroiled the UK in an illegal war, have poorly equipped our troops, have cooperated with rendition/ torture ..... and yet you think Salmond is to blame for this because the Iranian ambassador visited the parliament and voiced a view?
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 14/03/2008 19:47:42
It is a great pity that as long as Scotland has no independent foreign policy, it is entirely subordinate to that of England, which in turn is married to that of the USA. Hence the ludicrous & maddening situation of Scots being highly concerned about what the USA has done and is doing. Anyone who has read Robert Fisk's book "The Great War for Civilisation/The Conquest of the Middle East", will know that almost all governments and regimes throughout the world stank and stink to high heaven - we the ordinary people, insist on being ruled by sadists and morons - we insist on being indoctrinated with useless and harmful traditions, and on carrying the burdens of our parents. We will even claim that it is our right to carry these burdens. Iran is typical of all countries: The youth are indoctrinated to the extent that 14 year olds marched like mindless little robots into the killing fields of the Iran-Iraq war, their parents glowing with pride as they were blown to pieces, gassed and maimed. The Iranian regime is a ruthless, absolutely 100% brainwashed bunch of sadists, who are known to have executed little girls and boys on the mere suspicion that their parents did not support the regime. The Ayatollah Khomeini, much for his saintly appearance and behaviour, was little more than a sadistic hypocrite whose heart was gladdened by the mass executions perpetrated by his regime. All governments want is brainwashed little parrots, wholly incapable of independent thought, capable only of repeating mantras from centuries old scriptures and dogmas that blind people to our common humanity, or should it be inhumanity?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:48:14
445
Have you not got a paper to try and flog to some disinterested workers somewhere? Surely there must be a meeting somewhere for you to attend? A campaign to start? A revolution to be the vanguard of? Perhaps if you go and get it started we could catch you up?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:48:52
447. Bird

it is odd. Grahamski girns and greets and bleats about abuse. But sadly, as his pathetic arguments crumble, this is all he has to offer. A sad wee man.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 14/03/2008 19:50:45
447
Oh good one, that's ceratinly got me...I give up, your superior debating skills have convinced me that you, a rhyming bird have all the answers....I'm away to sort my life out...please don't humiliate me again..
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Geoff,

sa 14/03/2008 19:51:12
433 bird of prey-didnt know u could say 'turd' on this forum. I said bastar* the other day and the moderator wouldnt let me post!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:51:41
448. "All governments want is brainwashed little parrots, wholly incapable of independent thought, capable only of repeating mantras"

Indeed - step forward Grahamski, new Labour apologist and squawking parrot....
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WMSART,

MUSSELBURGH 14/03/2008 19:52:28
80 LIKEWISE TO ANYONE WHO DECRIES MINE - SCOTLAND
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:54:15
451 Grahamski says "I'm away to sort my life out" - he writes a note for the milkman: 'back in 9 years'....
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:55:10
453. I think it is permissable in relation to Grahamski only
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Hickory,

US 14/03/2008 19:55:20
398 Be advised, I favor the Templars. Jerusalem is the property of God and not that of man. All religions should have access to it. Israel is now the keeper and I hope will provide access to all worshipers of God. If they deny access, they will suffer as all who have denied it. If I had my way, it would be an international city and administered the same as the Vatican and garded by the UN.
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 14/03/2008 19:56:07
Gentlemen, gentlemen I fear that whilst your superb bon mots are amusing us all, Grahamski is whipping himself in an onanistic orgy seldom witnessed outside of a porno monkey house. Have mercy for soon he shall be seedless, yes, I know what a boon to humanity.
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Conan the Librarian™,

14/03/2008 19:58:05
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Grahamski and here was me thinking you were in the Socialist Tendency...
371

Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 14/03/2008 19:58:36
One should make no mistake. Few governments give a damn about the living conditions of their people. Power and territory are what matter to them. Iran would love Iraq, with its Shi'ite majority and huge oil reserves, to fall into its lap. At the very least it would like the Fao peninsula, and the cities of Basra and Najaf to be within its borders. And if Iran really is intrested in the peaceful use of nuclear power only, then it knows very well indeed that it can buy the nuclear fuel it requires on the open market far more cheaply than enriching and making the fuel itself. So Your Excellency, Rasoul Movahedian, the ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran, are you too mentally retarded to understand this? Or do you love exposing Iranians to all the risks inherent in manufacturing enriched fuel, not the least of which would be Israeli/AmerUSAn bombing? Or perhaps your masters in Tehran actually need to enrich uranium for boms, and not fuel, which is readily available through the IAEA? Perhaps you really are a backward country bumpkin incapable of putting two and two together?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 19:58:42
464. The older version just daily sprains his wrists...
373

Foulkes Off the CyberNat,

Edinburgh 14/03/2008 19:58:58
432

Our politicians are killing our soldiers by putting them into places where they are most likely to die and without the proper equipment to defend themselves with.
I think Gordon Brown has more responsiblity for the deaths of Scottish soldiers than the Iranian ambassador to the UK that of course is not my opinion but of the many Scottish soldiers I have spoken to in the last 5 minutes or so.
374

A very unbiased poster,

Blooms by yah 14/03/2008 19:59:27
I have to admit, that bird of prey is the bird, he comes on and trashes the life out of posters like Highland Midge and that dreadful Gramaskie troll.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 20:00:30
471. Mr unbiased, I totally agree
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

14/03/2008 20:01:18
470. Rubbish. Iraq has been "liberated" and they are welcoming foreign soldiers with flowers.....

 
  

 
 


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