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Published Date: 20 November 2008
LABOUR has suspended constituency business in East Lothian because of a row surrounding attempts to deselect the MP Anne Moffat.
The development could potentially be an embarrassment for Labour's newly elected Scottish leader, Iain Gray, who is the MSP for East Lothian.

Members of Labour's National Executive Committee (NEC) are due to visit the constituency next week in a b
id to resolve the dispute over Ms Moffat. Until further notice, Scotland's largest constituency party will be run from London.

Ms Moffat was reselected last year despite only two of six branches in the constituency voting for her. She only staved off deselection with the help of the union affiliate votes.

In October 2007, the Scottish Labour general secretary, Lesley Quinn, found anomalies with the selection and said Ms Moffat had failed to respond to constituency officials. It was unclear whether the process could be reopened.

The Scottish Labour Party said: "It is normal that the business being transacted by the local party is suspended pending the dispute being resolved. The Labour Party NEC will now work with the local party to resolve matters amicably."

It is expected a full internal investigation will be carried out by the NEC.

Sources close to Ms Moffat claimed she had been a victim of intense bullying. "There are a bunch of ex-councillors who were turfed out at the last election and they continue to stir trouble," the source said.

Ms Moffat said: "I am unable to comment because it is an internal Labour matter."

Political opponents have described developments as an embarrassment for Mr Gray.

The SNP candidate for East Lothian, Andrew Sharp, said: "They are in chaos. Labour have tied themselves in knots over this, and should be concentrating on doing their jobs, rather than on squabbling amongst themselves."

The Tory Westminster candidate for East Lothian, Michael Veitch, said: "If even Labour HQ has no faith in the ability of the local Labour party to carry on, what does that say about their ability to represent the people of East Lothian, who frankly deserve better than this never-ending circus?"

Mr Gray, MSP said: "This is a matter for the party at constituency and national level."

Nobody was available from the constituency party to comment last night.

Ms Moffat was the victim of an assault by yobs in May. She was also criticised for running up nearly £40,000 in her travel expenses four years ago and hit the news last year for comparing First Minister Alex Salmond to Hitler.





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  • Last Updated: 20 November 2008 12:31 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish Labour Party
 
1

Scunnert,

20/11/2008 00:50:04
Until further notice, Scotland's largest constituency party will be run from London.

Until further notice, the Scottish Labour party will be run from London.

Until further notice, Scotland will be run from London.
2

Millerman1,

20/11/2008 01:15:31
Aye, you cannot beat a bit of Labour in fighting always a good sign.

Scunnert are you not a Labour supporter or am i mixing you up with another Scunnert maybe?
3

Sanny,

Glagow. 20/11/2008 01:25:49
This is the Labour version of democracy in action. Let the Electorate have their say then ignore them, you only want their subscription, their canvasing and most importantly their vote!

Between elections they are not to speak and it this case they must accept the candidate chosen by London Office. Any challenge is to be slapped down and the branch suspended. I think it is time the true
Socialists found themselves a new party run on
DEMOCRATIC lines.

Perhaps we now have an explanation for the Glenrothes result.
4

Scunnert,

20/11/2008 02:39:31
2 Millerman1, 20/11/2008 01:15:31

I'm a Scot and a socialist, so why would I support a middle class yuppie English party?
5

Castaway™ ,

20/11/2008 03:27:59
Re-selection of Anne Moffatt
Two branches for re-selection
Three branches against re-selection
One branch (largest) undecided (evenly split)
Therefore Anne lost 3-2 in the branch count.
The unions stood in the way of deselection.

Labour yesterday rejected local calls for East Lothian MP Anne Moffat to put herself up for reselection on the basis of one-member one-vote.
The MP has been reselected under the approved electoral college rules but many local activists argue that because of her reliance on union block votes she should submit herself to an OMOV contest.
Herald August 28 2007
6

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/11/2008 05:37:28
London knows best.
7

echotango,

20/11/2008 06:18:12
I cannot imagine that Anne Moffat MP would be at the centre of anything untoward.
BTW, how are the police getting on with their enquiry into the assault and robbery by "scum" (she said) on the Coastal path at Port Seton? No arrests, yet? No witnesses, yet? Strange, eh? It's still the talk o' the toun, especially in the Legion and the Thorntree.
8

SouthernSkye,

20/11/2008 07:29:59
7 echotango.
Good question. It was only yesterday I was pondering that very same question when I read this story on the Beeb web page.

Anyway....Scottish Labour Party. Aye, right, it's about time it was drilled into everyone that Scottish labour Party is just spinning words.
9

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20/11/2008 07:42:08
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 08:02:27
This has nothing to do with Iain Grey or the UK Labour Party.
You can choose your preferred explanation from the following -
A - He was in Glenrothes canvassing while the mice were playing in his corn yard.
B - You just can't blame him for something over which he had no control like trade union votes.
C - Even if he'd been there he would have had to ask someone on the Labour Executive what to do and they were all as in "A" above.
D - He is the leader only of the Scottish Labour MSPs and therefor not in any way responsible for what happens in a branch of the UK wide Labour Party,
E - This proves that Scots cannot be trusted to look after themselves; independence is therefor impossible and we should be glad that we still have London people there to take over when things go wrong.
F - Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling were busy sorting out the World's finances, once that is done they will deal with all the minor UK problems with emphasis on "E"
11

Dave,

Western Isles 20/11/2008 08:09:14
10

OMG as my wife would text!

Broon n Darling soprting out the worlds finances? Scots cannae be trusted to look after themselves?

Whit??

You are the exact reason why we need to shuffle off this immoral coil that is London Labour.
12

TWC,

20/11/2008 08:09:37
Lothian is not the only place where old Labour supporters are unwilling to vote for Brown and his poodles, whom we see on these posts.

13

gus1940,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 08:21:58
Wot - no Rufus.
14

Dave,

Western Isles 20/11/2008 08:24:50
Rufus is being a silly c nut in the Lloyds story just now.
15

Tynietiger,

20/11/2008 08:34:37
Iain Gray is not capable of being in charge of anything or ever had an orginal idea.

If London says jump he says how high.

Jim Murphy is now the leader of labour in Scotland with an army of SCotland Office civil servants dedicated to Nat bashing.

Is this anything to do with the East Lothian Labour MP wasting Police time over an alleged attack?
16

Dave,

Western Isles 20/11/2008 08:35:50
Democracy Rules? You gotta be kidding!

Broon and Darling are operating a Scorched arth Policy just now and riding rough shod over everything.

They are scared and frightened of something and that something might be the actual democratic process itself now that we see Labour for it's true colours (men with guns in Glenrothes, changing rules to suit themselves etc etc).
17

Dave,

Western Isles 20/11/2008 08:38:13
Tynietiger

That's all the the Labour Party can ever be in Scotland and all it can ever be. There is no room for manouver for the Labour Party in Scotland as they are and have always been dictated to by London.

It's no secret and has always been the case which is why the SNP empowerment has caught London right out as Salmond is questioning everything that comes out of London on behalf of Scotland because Labour won't.
18

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 08:48:55
I don't know much about the Eats Lothian situation so won't comment specifically about that.

However, in general terms, anyone who has been part of Labour will tell you how dirty some of these selection/re-selection fights can get. In the re-selection battles it is usually the unions (backing the incumbent) versus the malcontent constituency activists. Personally I have little time for either group - and it is why I ultimately left the Labour Party almost 14 years ago. The union vote is decided by a small clique of self-interested slef-serving individuals. The party activists are almost always the politically correct, middle class, right-on types - complete tossers in fact. Both groups represent no-one but their own narrow sectarian agendas. Labour is always going to have this problem unless it actually gets those members who do not participate to actually take part.

But that is as likely as pigs flying to the moon. Is Labour alone in having the problem or do other parties have similar issues with a lack of participative democracy?
19

TWC,

20/11/2008 08:59:18
19 The Federalist
When I was a young man I used to take the Union Dues in on a friday night and the suspicious looks you got were unbelievable.
Good old Lothian stand up for yourself and the rest of what was once good.
20

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 09:43:18
#20 "E - This proves that Scots cannot be trusted to look after themselves; independence is therefor impossible and we should be glad that we still have"

I think it is more a case that Labour does not trust any of the Constituency Labour Parties - CLPs from all parts of the UK have been suspended in the past - nearly always to do with a selection/re-selection campaign. Trust me - but in many cases the suspensions are quite justified!!
21

Mr. Lachie Todd,

20/11/2008 10:01:05
"Anomalies with the selection"?

Elected officials of the East Lothian Constituency Labour Party would appear to have been influenced by ex-Councillors?

Many years ago the Labour Party fought a hard battle to introduce One Man One Vote(OMOV)and, yet, we still have
disgraceful attempts to interfere with the democratic process?
22

Jimmy Le Pie,

20/11/2008 10:17:20
HEADING SOUTH!!

Johnston Press, owner of New Labour Sleaze publication, The Hootsmon, share price is currently trading at 6.5p. Down from £2 earlier this year!!

Big bail out coming??

Any thoughts Hamish, on why a company like yours goes down the pan like it is doing??
23

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 10:42:16
#9 - it's pretty much the 'talk of the Steamie' doon the Pauns that the whole 'politically motivated assault and robbery by a (previously unknown) Gang called the Untouchables' story was a complete fabrication, and would therefore constitute the crime of 'Wasting Police Time', with the lieges liable to suspicion and arrest, not to mention creating general alarm and despondency in the Community. The 'menage a trois catfight' aspect is a new and fascinating twist though - why have the Plod not pursued this line of enquiry - surely Chief Superintendent Terry Powell can't have been 'warned off' by local political pressure?
24

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20/11/2008 11:02:57
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20/11/2008 11:09:54
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Number 6,

Germany 20/11/2008 11:21:37
OOPs,
double posting equals riddie.

Here are Moffat's travel claims for just one year :

1. Rail tickets : £9792.

2. Air tickets : £15,712.

And still had time to claim £ 12,289 for Car mileage, covering an astonishing 24,129 miles.
27

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/11/2008 12:02:56
London Labour meddling in a ocal Labour Partys doings, big deal, c'mon folks what's knew?

This is just the usual example of democracy London Labour style, what would be really interesting is what the local members do about it.

In all probability nothing.

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20/11/2008 12:11:30
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 20/11/2008 12:11:46
Good old Maddox ;-)

A major Labour constituency party issue = "bickering"

A similar SNP issue would be reported using terms such as "turmoil", "crisis", "split", "meltdown", ""breakdown" etc etc etc

"bickering" indeed !!!!
30

Millerman1,

20/11/2008 12:17:58
4#

What`s a socialist? lol., are there any still in Scotland.lol.

Yes i must have mixed you up, you are one of the abusive posters that ruined the Herald threads please do not ruin the Scotsman threads and tell your pals aswell, i see you have dropped the Nihlon thing was that because you were outed as a Tranny.lol
31

Dark Lochnagar,

20/11/2008 12:18:11
#23 Jimmy, their pals in the west are not far behind. Their new comments section is a disaster area
32

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20/11/2008 12:18:35
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Millerman1,

20/11/2008 12:19:56
14# Teuchter

Please watch your language and no need to be abusive when as often you lose your arguments.
34

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 12:20:53
"I see Gray is under orders from London to say nothing on the issue again."

Even if the CLP were not suspended Gray is not allowed to make any comment. In the Labour Party Rule Book (http://labs.labour.org.uk/membersnet/uploads/e513d08a-db06-eb04-e5fb-6f70d11993ca.pdf) - chapter 19 Appendix III Section R Clause 9 it states:

"Only designated CLP officers will be authorised to issue statements to the media about any aspect of the selection procedure"
35

Millerman1,

20/11/2008 12:24:08
14#

Forgot to ask do they have the TV yet on your part of the world, i know they got electricity last year.lol

Slainte!
36

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20/11/2008 12:44:52
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 12:45:13
#27 #28 It can be argued that the leadership of the SNP are as Stalinist in their control of their party as the leadership of the Labour Party are of theirs.

Changes to the SNP constitution in 2004 meant that power inside the party was shifted from the activists, especially those attending party conferences and councils, to the leadership, MSPs and the wider membership.
38

TWC,

20/11/2008 13:06:06
38 The Federalist

I think that while they ain't lily white there is a mile of difference between all the other parties and New Labour.
Nowhere is it more obvious than where the ordinary members are being over run by Politico/Union Men.
They are probably the same guys who come on here and fire poodle comments to take a good point off the current posting position.
39

East Lothian Auld-Yin,

East Lothian 20/11/2008 13:13:52
There is no reason to worry.

Liabour or Neu Arbeit will be deselected by the popular vote at the next general election. :)

A-Y
40

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/11/2008 13:23:03
#39 I am no fan of Nu Labour but they are not really to blame for the rules. Labour's rules have always been of the Stalinist variety - top-down.

It's not a case of not letting Scottish voices be heard but not letting members voices be heard. Other political parties have followed suit with rules that either make the members impotent or put obstacles in the way of the democratic process. For example, in 2005, the Lib Dems changed their rules so that candidates would need the support of "at least 10%" of its 62 MPs, whereas before they required the backing of just two. The SNP and the Tories have made similar changes that make it harder not easier for mmebers to challenge the leadership.

Just because Labour are centralised in terms of its organisation does not excuse other parties for doing the same.
41

Jimmy Le Pie,

20/11/2008 13:26:03
I see our pet buffoon, Lard Foolkes, was slapped down again today at FMQ's.

He really has perfected the art of making a complete idiot of himself.

If he wasn't so expensive he'd be funny.
42

Scunnert,

20/11/2008 16:31:46
"Every country needs a labour party. We no longer have one."

George Galloway

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20/11/2008 16:40:29
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Scunnert,

20/11/2008 16:45:21
In the General Election of May 1979, Labour lost 51 seats, and the Conservatives were returned to power. It was during the following eighteen years of opposition that the Labour Party underwent the most profound change in its history. The 1979 defeat was followed bya series of conferences that were to affect the PLP’s role within the Party. After the 1979 annual conference, every MP had to face re-selection by his or her CLP.

Also in 1981, Roy Jenkins, Shirley Williams, William Rodgers and David Owen leftthe Labour Party and formed the Social Democratic Party (SDP), which attracted another 27 MPs.

Not long after the 1983 General Election Michael Foot resigned as Party leader. Theelectoral college elected Neil Kinnock as leader and Roy Hattersley as deputy. At theParty conference of that year, it was agreed that re-selection of a sitting MP wouldonly take place when a CLP asked for it. The NEC and the PLP agreed to co-operate in formulating policies for Election Manifestos. Policies began to change. Among the first to go were withdrawal from the EEC and opposition to the sale of council houses.
45

Observer. 1,

Glasgow 20/11/2008 16:47:21
''Sources close to Ms Moffatt claimed she had been the victim of intense bullying''

There seems to be a pattern here. Poor wee her. Aye, right.

46

Miss H,

20/11/2008 16:48:31
42 Rubbish. No distinction is made between members of the SNP - there is no weighting system whereby MSPs or MPs have more votes than other members. Everyone votes once and their vote is counted once.

It's true that there is a requirement for members to have a certain number of backers to launch a leadership challenge. That's a sensible precaution against frivolous leadership bids. But it makes no difference if the members in question are also elected members or not. It really is one member one vote.
47

Scunnert,

20/11/2008 16:52:00
In June 1987, Mrs Thatcher called a third General Election. In spite of a goodcampaign, the Labour Party gained only 20 additional seats. In the light of this, Neil Kinnock set up policy reviews. The Party was already moving towards more moderatepolicies, which included making no high-spending commitments and stressing limited taxation. Even nuclear disarmament was abandoned. At the 1985 annual conference,Kinnock had made a powerful speech against the Trotskyist Militant Tendency, which controlled the youth section of the Party. Steps were taken to expel these members,including its four MPs.

In 1992 Neil Kinnock resigned as leader. The Party elected John Smith,Kinnock’s shadow chancellor. Smith set about continuing the policy changes started by Kinnock. He accompanied these with reforms within the Party. In 1993 some CLPs were instructed to have all women short-lists. The biggest change however that year was the adoption of one member one vote for parliamentary selection, the NEC and the election of the leader and deputy leader.

In 1994 John Smith suddenly died of a heart attack. There were two contenders for theleadership. Both were young intakes of 1983. Their names were Gordon Brown and Tony Blair. Gordon Brown withdrew, enabling Tony Blair to become leader; and a new era began for the Labour Party and its MPs.

The minutes of the PLP reflect all these changes. The Labour MPs had lost power and regained some of it. The other source of influence within the Party, the trade unions,who once wielded their might with great effect, were no longer the power they were.The ordinary Party member in theory had more influence than in 1968, but in practice this power was questionable.

tinyurl.com/5oahg3
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TWC,

20/11/2008 16:58:13
49 Scunnert,
I actually think the Scottish Labour party needs to be seperate from the English Labour party to survive in Scotland.
They held Scotland for 50 Years with policies for Scotland then they decided they couldn't win England with these policies so they changed and lost in 2007 when the Scots had had enough.
Now they don't care about Scotland as long as they stay in power in the UK.
The SNP are now proposing the kind of policies which we had from old Labour, that's why they are losing.
49

Benefits scrounging toilet cleaner ,

20/11/2008 17:03:34
I'm a scumbag and on benefits. Naturally I vote for the SNP.
50

Scunnert,

20/11/2008 17:13:56
54 TWC, 20/11/2008 16:58:13

"I actually think the Scottish Labour party needs to be seperate from the English Labour party to survive in Scotland."

Absolutely. I can't see that happening though - London keeps a pretty tight grip on the levers of power within the party.

Gray must feel like a right eejit as "the leader of Scottish Labour". What a slap in the face for him. It'll take a leader with cajones to resist London's domination and Gray clearly isn't that man.
51

TWC,

20/11/2008 17:29:17
55 Benefits scrounging toilet cleaner

See your talking your produce ya poodle
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Benefits scrounging toilet cleaner ,

20/11/2008 17:49:30
I'm not poor. I get lots of benefits for me fags and booze and this and that, innit?

I isnae paying back the benefits like what a student has to do and this and that, innit?

It is they students who are poor or nuffin'. If theys dusnae wurk in summer they starve. Not like me and this and that, innit? Eh?! Who iz you lookin' at?
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20/11/2008 17:56:11
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Benefits scrounging toilet cleaner ,

20/11/2008 17:57:15
60, What is you on about, innit? I is got nuffin' to do with that Union. I is Scottish and proud and this and that.

Respecked!
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20/11/2008 18:01:46
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Miss H,

20/11/2008 18:03:01
61 In point of fact people who are dependent on benefits are almost invariably core Labour voters.

The reason being that the Labour Party never stops reminding them that it was Labour who gave them their benefits (implication being that Labour can take them away again too).

It is also a classic Labour tactic to tell people that an independent Scotland would not be able to afford a social security system or to pay pensioners a decent pension.

And we would take their buss passes away.

Not to mention cutting services for the disabled.

We’re rank bad yins.
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Scunnert,

20/11/2008 18:03:13
London to run Gray's bickering local party.

So much for the leader of the "Scottish Labour Party".

Until further notice, Scotland's largest constituency party will be run from London.

Until further notice, the Scottish Labour party will be run from London.

Until further notice, Scotland will be run from London.
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20/11/2008 18:09:15
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20/11/2008 18:11:27
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Benefits scrounging toilet cleaner ,

20/11/2008 18:15:27
67, you is tellin' them boy! They has got to wise up and this and that, innit?

Them who is making all that money gets to keep it and that, that is well out of order man!

It's us that keeps it real that is needin' the money man. Gizzit, eh?! Respecked buhoy.
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Benefits scrounging toilet cleaner ,

20/11/2008 18:16:10
You get me bro'?!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

20/11/2008 19:00:47
I see the story about the impending collapse of the Johnston Press Group made it onto Reporting Scotland.
Shares - 265p down to 6.5p in a year is some going.
Advertising revenue sinking like a stone.
Circulation now below 40,000.

Could the Hootsmon become a New Labour Sleaze freesheet??

Will Comrade Broon bail oot his pals??

Will Lard Foolkes become editor??

Will Iain Grey become office boy??

Will the Hootsmon be renamed the North Britishman??

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Scunnert,

20/11/2008 20:02:58
tinyurl.com/64a7np

"The national executive endorsed Ms Moffat's selection and, despite repeated local protests, would not re-open the process."

Naw - instead they suspend the constituency and take over.

"Pro-Moffat campaigners are understood to feel that some members of the local party have acted unconstitutionally by defying the national (London) party."

Cannae have that noo - can we?

"Mr Gray said last night: "This is a matter for the constituency Labour Party and the Party at a national (London) level. I am pleased that the National Executive committee is seeking to resolve it and I hope that will happen quickly. My work as an MSP continues as usual.""

So Gray is pleased that London has taken control of his local constituence party? Aye - Gray - a leader or a joke?
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Christina, Aberdeen,

20/11/2008 21:46:45
I think you are being horrible to the lovely Anne Moffat.

Each evening, as I go out jogging wearing my ball gown, tiara, diamond neckless and diamond ear rings, I too worry that I might suffer the same fate as Anne Moffat, and be mugged.

I can only pray that the "scum" who attacked and robbed such a gracious, eloquent and elegant lady jogger are caught and punished.


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Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/ 20/11/2008 22:09:42
If you are Scottish and support the Labour Party. You need to examine seriously why you are allowing English Labour Politicians to manipulate Scotland for the benefit of England through the Scottish Labour Party?

In a Independent Scotland, a Scottish Labour Party would be controlled by Scots and not English Puppeteers.

A Independent Scotland would more than likely have a left wing Labour Government after Scotland's First Election. The difference would be the lack of back stabbing - cover up - lying - commands from South of the border.

In a Independent Scotland, Scotland's 59 MP's would not have to share an eleventh of the political table with other Countries decision makers.

http://www.scottish-labour-party.co.uk/
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Conan the Librarian™,

21/11/2008 00:03:54
"Kenny Smith, who lives in Falkirk, last night said: "There is absolutely no purpose for me in publishing a membership list. I spent my life protecting that information. I value the BNP members and I would never do such a thing."

A wee bit of a waste there Kenny.

In more ways than one.

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donald,

glasgow 21/11/2008 05:46:21
I hear she was jogging dressed as the English Queen.

 

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