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Labour employs psychiatrist to beat Salmond



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Published Date: 26 June 2008
WHEN it comes to winning political battles in the cauldron of the debating chamber, the mind games employed by the chief combatants are all- important.
And most observers of the hurly-burly that is Question Time in the Scottish Parliament would agree that First Minister Alex Salmond tends to emerge victorious over his main adversary, Wendy Alexander.

But Labour MSPs believe a psychiatrist's analysis of the performance of their own leader and fellow members, against the First Minister, will allow them to land more verbal punches on the SNP leader.

The expert has offered Labour his views on the strengths and weaknesses of Mr Salmond, to help Ms Alexander gain the upper-hand during debates.

He has revealed him to be a combative personality who revels in the din of heckles, but is intimidated by the strong, silent treatment.

The psychiatrist told Labour MSPs that, like an errant schoolboy left to stew in his own ignorance, Mr Salmond should no longer be assaulted with insults by his opponents but should instead be left in silence to answer questions in the hope that this will reveal a failure to grasp crucial details.

The battle of minds during recent Question Times has been repeatedly won by the First Minister, but the Labour Party believes its new psychological evaluation has provided it with crucial insights into their opponent's Achilles' heel.

The psychiatrist, who has not been named, identified particular Labour MSPs as enablers whose behaviour actually assisted the SNP leader.



Amongst the biggest culprits are Lord George Foulkes, Duncan McNeil and Andy Kerr. The psychiatrist observed that every time they made "an intervention from a sedentary position" it gave the First Minister an easy get-out from actually answering the question.

"What we were told was that Mr Salmond was obviously coming in with pre-prepared attacks on those three MSPs," a senior Labour MSP told The Scotsman.

"Every time they started giving him a hard time, Salmond simply went on the attack against one of them and was able to avoid answering the question. It was also observed when there was silence, Salmond had to actually concentrate on the question and struggled to answer.

"The heckling plays to his strengths because of his time in Westminster, but his real weakness is that he has no real grasp of detail, so when he is not given the opportunity of attacking somebody else, he's in trouble."

The MSP added: "It has provided a fascinating insight for us into what we do and made us all sit back and take a look at ourselves. In the heat of battle, you don't always realise that what you do might actually be helping the other side rather than hindering them."

The Scotsman understands that the psychiatrist was already carrying out observations of First Minister's Questions out of professional interest and then offered his services to help out Labour leader Wendy Alexander.

The help was used as part of efforts to improve Ms Alexander's performance in the Scottish Parliament, especially after a series of poor performances during First Minister's Questions.

The difficulty Labour has been trying to overcome is Mr Salmond not answering questions Ms Alexander puts to him, and for her to expose this as a weakness. They have often complained that he uses Question Time as a means of insulting his opponents.

The psychiatrist said that a quiet chamber also enhanced Ms Alexander's one noticeable strength over Mr Salmond, which is her grasp of detail. If the advice is followed, the new-found silence on the Labour benches will be a relief for Presiding Officer Alex Fergusson who has been under pressure to stop MSPs from drowning out debate.

But the bad news for Mr Fergusson is that there are no plans to give other SNP ministers the same silent treatment.

Labour have officially denied that they have taken on a psychiatrist.

Alexander did break rules over donations

WENDY Alexander was found yesterday to have broken parliamentary rules by not declaring donations to her leadership campaign.

The judgment on the Scottish Labour leader was passed down by the Holyrood standards committee, which has been investigating donations to her successful leadership campaign last summer.

But the committee was split on what action to take against Ms Alexander. Some members said she should not be punished in any way, but others disagreed.

The cross-party committee will meet again today to decide what to do. It could suspend her, censure her or let her off without punishment. It is understood all three options are still on the table.

Suspension is unlikely but, if it were to happen, it could spell the end of Ms Alexander's leadership of the Scottish Labour Party.

The committee is looking into eight donations to Ms Alexander's leadership fund.

She did not declare these donations as gifts, but that was after taking advice from clerks to the standards committee. She insists she acted in good faith.

The controversy flared up only when Jim Dyer, the Standards Commissioner, overruled the clerks and decided that Ms Alexander should have declared the donations after all.


The full article contains 854 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 25 June 2008 10:31 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Scottish Labour Party
 
1

druidh,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 00:07:10
Wow! "Alexander did break rules over donations" was sort of snuck onto the bottom of that article.

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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 26/06/2008 00:09:24
I think Wendy needs a psychiatrist for more pressing matters.
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Sanny,

26/06/2008 00:11:57
I should think Wendy's need of the help of a psychiatrist has little to do with the FM and more to do with Wendy's general incompetence and her Party's lack of coherent policies.

I wonder if like her spin doctors this is the first of many shrinks to be employed by Wendy. This said if it silences the loudmouths in the Labour Party that spoil the debate then so much the better.
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Celyn,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 00:20:04
How funny that the tiny detail that "Wendy DID break the rules" is only fitted in as something of an afterthought. :)

Dodgy tricks and now trick-cyclists. Good entertainment, eh? All together now, things can only get better ....... :)
6

Orson,

26/06/2008 00:21:09
Is Wendy Alexander in need of a character implant? It would seem from first encounter with this subject that that is why she sought medical advice.

Good grief! The mind boggles. Whatever happened the Heroes? No more heroes any more!, no more heroes any more.

Labour pursuing their social justice policies to the extreme, the top jobs no longer go to natural born leaders, those with personality or flair, they now go to average run of the mill administrators who can't organise a simple spreadsheet, what they lack can be bought in as some kind of Disability adjustor allowance.
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john z,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 00:26:01
WHERE IS THE COEVERAGE OF WENDY BEING FOUND GUILTY BY HER PARLIAMENTARY PEERS OF WRONGDOING?????

WHERE IS THE STORY.

ARE ALL THE JOURNALISTS AT THE SCOTSMAN JUST ENGLISH PUPPETS??

Instead we are all treated to some nonsense about Psychiatrists, or clairvoyants or something to help wendy handle her gross incompetence as a leader.

Utter manipulative piffle.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 26/06/2008 00:26:46
"The psychiatrist told Labour MSPs that, like an errant schoolboy left to stew in his own ignorance, Mr Salmond should no longer be assaulted with insults by his opponents."

I can see from this that even the psychiatrist is imbalanced and partisan. Perhaps this psychiatrist should see a psychiatrist. Maybe Simon Pia can help him spin things a little more appealingly.
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Conan the Librarian™,

26/06/2008 00:29:09
"Labour hopes that with a little expert help Wendy Alexander will finally get the upper hand on Alex Salmond."

Wait till I catch my breath from the laughing...
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MisterN,

Scotland 26/06/2008 00:30:53
And who is paying for this headshrink? it better be from their own pocket. This is party political expense not a national expense.

The political pygmies on the opposition benches just cant cope with real politicians mind you it doesnt help when your policies are based on the if its not hurting its not working principle.
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piehutt,

26/06/2008 00:43:43
Hmmm - some real desperation tactics from Labour in the whole 'employing a psychiatrist' issue there.

I'm sure Salmond does have weaknesses, but sadly for Labour whatever they are they pale into insignificance when compared with Wendy Alexander and her colleagues.

However, it seems Labour will soon have to find a new leader. Certainly after she is suspended from Holyrood, it would take a talentless, spineless lot not to replace her with someone who can at least claim to have some credibility. Hmm maybe they'll keep her after all.
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26/06/2008 00:44:42
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Matt there,

somewhere 26/06/2008 00:49:51
This psychiatrist should be struck off.
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DouglasT,

26/06/2008 00:50:05
I guess that Labour choosing to use a psychiatrist to help them in the chamber is an acceptance of their own shortcomings. However, that Labour MSPs believe

'a psychiatrist's analysis of the performance of their own leader and fellow members, against the First Minister, will allow them to land more verbal punches on the SNP leader'

is itself informative; it supports my personal belief that the raison d'etre of Labour MSPs is solely to attack the SNP at every opportunity. Any advantage or disadvantage to Scotland or the Scottish people is, to them, an irrelevance. Possibly there is still a resentment in Labour minds that the people of Scotland dared to elect a party other than theirs.

The concluding reference in the article
'She did not declare these donations as gifts, but that was after taking advice from clerks to the standards committee. She insists she acted in good faith.'

Sadly, the article neglects to explain that the advice from the clerks was only sought long after the donations had attained rogue status. But why let the truth spoil the propaganda ...

Quality journalism, you can't beat it; unfortunately, in this article you can't find it.
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26/06/2008 00:53:49
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Nikostratos,

26/06/2008 00:53:49
Why dont they try a hypnotist...much better ....look into my eyes look into my eyes! (,)(').....now vote labour..there you go easy peasy
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 26/06/2008 00:54:37
So there we have it:

"LABOUR EMPLOYS PSYCHIATRIST TO BEAT SALMOND"

"OIL-OBSESSED SNP FIGURES DO NOT MAKE SENSE"

"SALMOND IS ACCUSED OF LITANY OF WORTHLESS PLEDGES"

"DOUBTS CAST OVER SNPS CLAIM FOR OIL-COST WINDFALL"

Pretty major stories in today's Scotsman. Need I say more.

If you delve deep enough you get "Donations row: Wendy Alexander 'broke rules' says parliament watchdog" (NO COMMENTS ALLOWED.)


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Richardinho,

26/06/2008 00:57:44
Nice to hear that the Labour party have a new Deckchair arranger.

Of course their lack of success is entirely down to 'presentation'. Nothing to do with corruption and having rotten policies-oh no!
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 01:12:28
"But Labour MSPs believe a psychiatrist's analysis of the performance of their own leader and fellow members"

At last! The first steps to recovery is accepting you have a problem.

FMQs should be a hoot!
21

Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 01:19:14
How many 'ologists does she need?
She has a Kidologist (Andy Kerr), A skatologist (Foulkes), and an Amphibologist (Simon Pia)!

What next? Voodoo????????!
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Guga II,

Rockall 26/06/2008 01:19:42
Forfoulkesake, "her grasp of detail", is that something like the story we were getting about her being an intellectual giant? She might have a grasp of detail about hungy caterpillars, but that's about it.

As for the Mouth of the South and her "unintentionally breaking the law", and "acing in good faith", why are the Hootsmon distorting the truth, again. She only sought the advice of the clerks after the storm had broken, not before.

If wee Jeanie Smith from the Gorbals had broken the law, and came out with these sorts of excuses to the Sheriff, she'd be given six month, without the option. However, the Mouth of the South will only be given a slap on the wrist.

Anyway people, get in your comments while you can, as the Hootsmon will remove them all by morning, and block any further comments (just as they did yesterday). They don't want to allow anyone to criticise their precious New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party (North British Branch).


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Edward,

26/06/2008 01:28:15
Shouldnt the headline be
'WENDY ALEXANDER FOUND GUILTY!'

As usual David Maddox is taking Simon Pia's breifing in order to cover up the finding yesterday that Wendy Alexander was found guilty by the Holyrood Standards Committee and fcaes being suspended
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 01:29:19
Maybe a cosmetologist might be useful while they're at it. Scottish Labour need to take a good look at their foundation!
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 26/06/2008 01:30:07
Wendy has already used the silent treatment on AS during FMQs on April 17, when she declared: "I have no further questions".

Whether she thought she was a barrister in a court case, one can only guess.

One thing's for sure. She was belittled by politicians and journalists alike for her performance, so I can't see her doing a repeat performance just to try out a psychiatrist's supposed cure.
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Edward,

26/06/2008 01:31:19
The psychiatrist is going to have his work cut out analysing Wendy Alexander, may even end up publishing a paper based on what he finds with WEndy, with lecture tours to follow. based on how dillusional can she really be
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 01:34:13
This'll be when Wendy finds out that Salmond isn't the problem. It's all her parents fault. Never bought her a bike when she was 9 or something like that.
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Richardinho,

26/06/2008 01:35:53
Labour's solution to everything-add another expensive consultant to the payroll!
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Shellfishfarmer,

Inverness 26/06/2008 01:47:07
Wendy keeps coming away with her alibi that she had confirmation from the clerks that she didn't need to declare the sums of money as gifts. What do the clerks have to say about this, because obviously if Wendy is right, they are made to look stupid? I bet the grapevine amongst the officials in Holyrood is thick with venom at how Wendy is misrepresenting them. Certainly the journalist on the Holyrood programme on Wewdnesday afternoon seemed to let the cat out of the bag, by suggesting that what Wendy says about the clerks is disputed. They can't answer of course, but the truth will out and Wendy will be shown to have told another porkie. How will her batman, Jackie the hut, play this? Answers on a postcard please!
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 01:47:31
Interesting tactics for an opposition party.

"Give him the silent treatment. Let him stew. If you say anything it only encourages him."

I'm off to bed. If I can stop laughing! But then I just might cry. I hope that after independence we get a proper opposition party.
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Edward,

26/06/2008 01:47:48
32 Richardinho
Actually knowing how Labour operate, they will try and push it through as expenses and get the taxpayer to pay
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26/06/2008 02:07:19
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Murray in Canada,

Salt Spring Island 26/06/2008 02:13:00
I'm not sure if I should take this story as gospel, or whether it's an elaborate joke on someone's part. But if it's true, it might lead to a quieter Parliament. If the FM is shown up as ill-prepared in the doom-laden silence, that's too bad [and I doubt it somehow], but anything that tends to raise the quality of the debates, and the standard of so-called adult behaviour, is a Good Thing.
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26/06/2008 02:13:38
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indune1,

Canada 26/06/2008 02:13:50

It's her lips!!!!
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

26/06/2008 02:14:54
39 Murray in Canada,Salt Spring Island 26/06/2008 02:13:00
I'm not sure if I should take this story as gospel, or whether it's an elaborate joke on someone's part. But if it's true, it might lead to a quieter Parliament. If the FM is shown up as ill-prepared in the doom-laden silence, that's too bad [and I doubt it somehow], but anything that tends to raise the quality of the debates, and the standard of so-called adult behaviour, is a Good Thing


I dont think silence will be the problem. Lack of oxygen from laughter and several members taken out with weezing too much could be a possibility.
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JulesF,

26/06/2008 02:31:16
Oh sorry, I just finished reading this article and then realised I'd logged on to DC Thomson and the Beano by mistake.
I'll get my coat!
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

26/06/2008 03:29:29
NEWS JUST IN!!!!!

"Labour employ psychiatrist to look after leader?"

Rumours abonded last night as Labour executive members made moves to have wendy sectioned. A labour insider told us last night.

The moles rsiad the reason was members where increasingly worried about her erratic behaviour, fits of the "wee wees" , Richard madley like criminality and fits of agoraphobia when a pressing issue presents.

The hatchet faced 80 a day harpy , sorry mole, rasped "I think the best person for the job is margaret Curran" , "off course I am in no way Margaret Curran, you understand......."

Whilst on the phone to the mole a presence in the background could be heard exclaiming "GIGIDDY".

From inside knowledge this is believed to be the voice of Ian Gray, part time pet worrier and verbal regurgetaitor.
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Royster,

26/06/2008 04:11:45
This is a great news story. It will be interesting to see if it successful and I rather think it might be - given the widespread use of psychologists by the police. It is very difficult for people to change their characters and everyone has a weak spot. It is also well known that Alex Salmond loves to play to the gallery so if there is no gallery...
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Royster,

26/06/2008 04:15:16
#7. John. That was the lead story in the Scotsman yesterday.
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somerferg,

perth 26/06/2008 04:31:52
ha,ha,ha oh sorry can't stop giggling over the prospect of the monkeys with red rosettes using mind games to beat Alex Salmond. What a hoot - someone needs to point out to them that you actually need a mind before you have a chance of doing that :)
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izzie,

dundee 26/06/2008 05:10:26
Didn't Wendy already try the silent treatment with the 'no further questions' response? All that did was make her look like she had run out of things to ask.
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Longdirk Maceth,

YNC 26/06/2008 05:25:52
And Labour said they were going to try to reconect with the scottish people? What a hoot.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 05:30:47
at last!I have been saying for years that the labour government are in desperate need of a psychiatrist
the people of this country have never seen so many nutters all at one time.
I suggest Gordon brown gets priority treatment, he looks as if he needs the most.
perhaps he could even book some padded cells for his cronies,what a pile.!!!
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LEAL,

26/06/2008 05:39:46
Where will Labour find the money to pay for a shrink when they struggle to pay their staff? What is Labours debt and what is their membership? And why no story about Alexander being found again to be a liar and a cheat?
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Phil C,

26/06/2008 05:40:18
It's Wendy that needs a psycho to massage her faltering ego!

In any case, why do Labour need a psychiatrist to fight their battles? With headlines like "Salmond is accused of litany of worthless pledges" The Scotsman is doing fine in it's attempt to undermine Salmond.
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Rodster,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 05:41:32
The committee can deliver whatever punishment it deems appropriate .
However in the end it will be the sovereign people of Scotland that will deliver the final verdict.
Unionists and Nationalists alike can say whatever they wish on here , the results of the ballot box is the most important.
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Advance Alba,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 06:32:55
Isn't it unethical of the Labour psychiatrist to be analysing Salmond to provide means of attacking him and exploiting his weaknesses? Evidence that is so is vouchsafed by the creep's insistence on anonymity. For shame! Whoever he is has brought his profession into disrepute.
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 26/06/2008 06:53:03
Psychiatrist? I doubt it. This sort of analysis is carried out by psychologists.

That said, the habit of Alex to avoid the question by attacking the questioner is a standard political manoevre (known as 'displacement', in the psych trade). Just try criticising the SNF here!
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Traquir , Alba,

26/06/2008 07:06:32
That is one very smart Psychiatrist. He is
setup for life analyzing these Labour MSPs :)
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Jimmy the Pie,

26/06/2008 07:07:01
What about a book from Red Wendy???

Halls of Infamy 2 perhaps???
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yockel,

26/06/2008 07:09:56
So the Liebour Party needs a psychiatrist to tell them how to behave, glad they have seen the light at long last.
When they eventually get fed up of him, no fun being told you've got it wrong for all these years, I do a nice line in the reading of the goat entrails. Very reasonable rates. Can do chicken guts, runes and bones if the goat is bit squeemish about it.
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steve 1511,

aberdeen 26/06/2008 07:13:10
is this psychiarist looking into the mental state of wee wendy the bungs heid as she and her pals in the labour stasi party are in denial to her breaking the law,they bring shame and disgrace to holyrood by their actions, but dishonesty and lying is now a norm for labour in scotland and the uk,
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 26/06/2008 07:19:32
Of course we all know the Hootsmon do this deliberatly, all manner of anti-SNP stories, but any criticism of Liebore is not tolerated - of course, we'll find a way around that.

Wendy needs a shrink? Quelle surprise!!
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yockel,

26/06/2008 07:20:03
Did Wendy break the rules, must have missed that. If she had you would have thought the Hootsmon would have done a big spread on it.
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John Jamieson,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 07:33:43
This psychiatrist's first job should be analysing the behaviour of your named Labour MSPs. His report would make fascinating reading.
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donald,

glasgow 26/06/2008 07:35:43
This only further proves that all trick cyclists are nuts.

Labourites get a hammering because their policies stink and are anti Scottish and anti working class. No amount of spin and media compliance can cover that.
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11+failed,

the pans 26/06/2008 07:38:08
"Ms Alexander's one noticeable strength over Mr Salmond, which is her grasp of detail."

Curiously Wendy failed to grasp the fact that she was accepting illegal bungs!
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Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 07:40:39
Scottish Labour will SHRINK to complete oblivion, if it hasn't already done so. The party's finished, crushed by the Master of Strategy and his clear-minded Cabinet.
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spiderman,

argyll 26/06/2008 07:42:16
All the psychiatrists I know are nuts!!
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11+failed,

the pans 26/06/2008 07:43:52
How many Labour MSPs claimed for this psychiatrist on their expenses?
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An Beal Bacht,

26/06/2008 07:44:42
What nonsense this article is. Clearly AS uses behavioural techniques in FMQ's. If you ask a reasonable question with a view to furthering Scotland's interests you get a reasonable answer. However, if you are only out to score points you are in for some aversive conditioning - you get your @rse skelpt.
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Uilleam Mor,

26/06/2008 07:48:59
Labour talked about being tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime.

But what does the Wendy Alexander affair says about crime is that it is ok to take illegal bungs because nothing will happen to you if you are caught.

That's right, politician for rent. So why not council officers. It seems to have happened quite extensively in Glasgow City Council, and why stop there.

What about a secret bung ( sorry donation) for the police, the tax man, the administrator in the NHS, planning official et al.

That folks is the heart of what has been going on. Hey but it's ok, it really is.
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Uilleam Mor,

26/06/2008 07:52:23
Oh and what about the baseball bat for those that don't play ball. That is the other side of the bung culture.
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JayJay,

Right here 26/06/2008 07:55:02
Her "grasp of detail" is famously non existent so perhaps the psychiatrist needs a psychiatrist himself as he is plainly delusional.
Lord knows what the psychiatrist might make of character such as Baillie, Gordon, Foulkes and Kerr. These people have regressed to a state of deep denial where they are unable to accept that Scotland did not vote them into power, and further unable to acknowledge that their "leader" is quite unable to fill the role.
This plan could backfire! The psychiatrist might need quite a few straightjackets.
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Uilleam Mor,

26/06/2008 07:56:25
Gangsters and drug dealers give out bungs - and under Wendy rules this must be ok. I mean what is the difference between a secret donation from a developer or a secret donation from a drug dealer.

It's ok, it really is.
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Foresight,

By The Water of Leith 26/06/2008 07:56:54

Do psychiatrists devour their jung ??

Getting George Foulkes to keep his mouth shut - impossible !!
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morris,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 07:59:31
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You make a point well here.The notion that the clerks who should know about this gave her false information,when she only approached them after she had been "Fund oot"seems extremely unlikely,and of course Wendy claims this,but none of the Press report the other side of the coin, which is what do the people Wendy accuses of this say in response?
The fact that we neither have a confirmation nor a denial publicly ,apart from Wendy's version,suggests you are indeed correct in your suspicions,and this will now presumably come out as being long overdue.
Irrespective of what they decide, she is walking away scot free,when anybody else would face trial.This cannot be allowed to rest until she does face trial!Justice will only be served when it is seen that no one is immune from prosecution,and rules which Labour designed, cannot be used to protect Labour corrupt politicians,or we have no justice.You can spin all you want.She is guilty and she must be held to account in an appropriate manner,and thats proceed to the procurator fiscals office(which cannot happen because the electoral commission were used to facilitate a miscarriage of justice by preventing any possibility of them being allowed to do what they are paid to do).
The facts have been reported well enough to establish her guilt.No trial when guilty cannot possibly be called justice.They can spin till the cows come home,nobody believes anything Labour claim anymore.
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Jim A A,

oban 26/06/2008 08:04:16
Any guy who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.
S.Goldwyn
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Uilleam Mor,

26/06/2008 08:04:52
Oh yes, we were on about psychiatrists before we got onto the much less important issue of bungs for all.

Well yes, I do think psycho analysis of some of the other New Liebour good and great would burst the head of many a health care professional.

Foukles might be diagnosed as having a tendendency to get over-refreshed ( health professionals can take bungs too you know) Jabba Baillie might have a dose of anorexia nervosa, and Wendy, well she would come out with a tip top bill of health since her pals would have appointed the pyschiatrist.

Poor Alex S though, don't know what the liebour shrink would make of him. He'd probably have him sectiooned and locked away if he could.

Ah we have it, that's it, a new Labour plan to restore confidence in bad, sorry good governance.
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Busymale,

26/06/2008 08:41:35
Yep, its official - Labour need psychiatrists!
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It's me!,

26/06/2008 08:43:55
Wendy isn't so good with detail when it comes to the donations she received.

#41 No it's her chins ..... all of them!
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Senga Jean,

Scotland 26/06/2008 08:53:27
LABOUR SHRINK SHRUNK SHREK. WENDY WOOED WITH WODGE OF WONGA. SSSorry I was getting carried away!
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Boy Wonder,

26/06/2008 08:54:44
This article is about as well-balanced as my cat Toodles, who thinks she's a canine since ner mother abandoned her at birth to my dog, Ruffles.

But then ... it IS Bendy Wendy who needs the psychiatric help!
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AJ Fife,

26/06/2008 09:01:35
Next stop is Stratheden for wee 'mental' wendy!!! LOL
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Lillig,

26/06/2008 09:09:24
We don't want mind games and shmecherie, we want good government that puts the people first.

Gawd, I hate political shenanigans.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 09:19:46
Caption for the photo:-

"I wonder how you do that thing where you wave your arm like this and it appears to get longer?"

Any more?
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 09:25:16
Political parties will sometimes go to any lengths to gain the upper hand but this take's the biscuit?

As regards Labour's petty charge that Salmond never answers a question at Hollyrood FMQ? It's more likely that the insufferable Eck simply knows his brief backwards, and during debates clearly bullies the Opposition politicians at Holyrood, none of whom are in the same calibre!

The duty of the Opposition is to hold the government to account but IF Ms. Alexander cannot cope with gallus Eck or stuffy Sturgeon then she should change careers!

Ms. Alexander's temporary absence from politics has certainly not helped the Labour Party in Scotland and how someone as untried as her could be elected leader unopposed must be a mystery to may Labour supporters?
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Rodster,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 09:27:05
The phsychiatrist story is all smoke and mirrors to stop any discussion on Wendy being found guilty by the Committee.
The North British is trying , and successfully to bury this in amongst this piffle.
She should not only be banned from Holyrood for a week she should be forced to resign and face her electorate.
We are the ultimate judge and jury,the people are sovereign in Scotland .
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Arrow,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 09:30:44
Shades of the Runaway Jury methinks! is this shrinks fees coming out of the Liebour party's funds? what do the grass roots think of this crass route? is he a Liebour party supporter and if so will he tell them what they want to hear or the truth. as for Wendy's "a civil servant telt me" excuse. could these be the same civil servants that are keeping the files warm for the "natural party of government" that put them into their positions of power and would cover for Windy? it would be interesting to find out how many of these "impartial" civil servants are card carrying members of the Liebour party.
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Alan B,

26/06/2008 09:36:27
You could not make this up.

"If the advice is followed, the new-found silence on the Labour benches will be a relief for Presiding Officer Alex Fergusson who has been under pressure to stop MSPs from drowning out debate."

So the psychiatrist thinks labour are acting like children.

"The psychiatrist told Labour MSPs that, like an errant schoolboy left to stew in his own ignorance"

Sound like the guy is more a labour press release.

Like or loath him one thing u cannot accuse Salmond of is ignorance.

Labour really do not get it. There problem is they lack a vision for scotland. Lack policies to rectify scotland problems.

It is interesting that Morgan the labour leader in wales will stand up for Wales against labour in london in a way that labour in scotland refuse to.

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Alan B,

26/06/2008 09:38:12
#Castaway

"Wendy, a big difference between you and Alex Salmond, apart from the obvious is that Alex is a professional politician."

Wendy must be a professional politician as she accepts money from all sources.
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Alastair the First,

26/06/2008 09:38:49
Better be careful, Labour. Several of your MSPs look likely to be sectioned by the psychiatrist.
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Alastair the First,

26/06/2008 09:39:31
No. it's a psychiatrist. Wendy is mental...
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John south of Soutra,

26/06/2008 09:43:38
Having just read this article, I find it amazing that the fact that Wendy Alexander has been found guilty by the standards committee, is not the headline news but is stuck onto the bottom of the article. I will admit that I have not read through all the comments as I felt that I needed to make a comment myself about this.
This clearly shows that the Scotsman no longer has any journalistic integrity and has developed into the Scottish version of Pravda
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11+failed,

the pans 26/06/2008 09:48:27
The question now is, are we to have a Wendy The Bung whitewash?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 09:53:52
Excellent news that Unionists are seeking medical help. They do the say the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

I wonder if the psychiatrist can also address and poerhaps cure what seem like cleptomaniac tendencies that have led to law-breaking and Wendy being found guilty of breaking the rules?
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

26/06/2008 09:54:12
Am2 seems very quiete?
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 26/06/2008 09:55:07
Careful Wendy that psychiatrist is maybe a cunning plan by the Nats to send you and your pals further adrift, if that is possible.

Nice of the Scotsman to give the real story a mention, if only just.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 09:55:14
100. Meths - how do you know if they haven't been named?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 09:55:46
109. He is having some therapy - the Unionists got a block booking discount.
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AJ Fife,

26/06/2008 09:57:15
Will the psychiatrist cure wee wendy's nervous facial tick, which only appears during FMQs?
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Allan Retentive,

26/06/2008 09:58:28
Labour employs once-respected newspaper to beat Salmond.
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Raj Persaud's ghost writer,

26/06/2008 09:58:59
#113 - FMQs is going to be a right laugh with this.

Ringside seat would be great.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 10:02:45
113. Is that an oblique reference to Lord Zebedee?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 10:04:33
115. Yes, especially if the standards committee rules on her illegal donations before hand. I wonder how Salmond will 'couch' his response to that? Will it shrink Wendy's big head?
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Calum10,

26/06/2008 10:05:20
So everyone's suspicions have been confirmed - Wendy Alexander IS as mad as a hatter!
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Miss H,

26/06/2008 10:08:39
I think the psychiatrist has read Alex Salmond wrongly. Yes he can do all the trading insults stuff but far from enjoying it I think he finds it boring. It is pretty boring in fact and he could do it in his sleep. Wendy would be better analysing Annabelle Goldie’s approach to FMQs. She manages to get her political points over but she is constructive at the same time. That’s the lesson I suggest Labour should learn.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 26/06/2008 10:12:32
So it's true after all, Wendy hides in a dark room in between her weekly humiliations at FMQ.

I always wondered where she disappeared to. Now lie back and think of England!
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 10:12:44
I notice on another thread we have Iain Gray Labour MSP, trotting out Labour's old "Scotland couldn't make it alone" scaremongery. Thought we'd done with that old chestnut.

Perhaps this 'trick cyclist' could address Scottish Labour's deeply entrenched 'self esteem issues', and Wendy's 'false memory' problems while he's there.

Like I said earlier, in good old psychiatric tradition, it'll all be the fault of the parents, which in this case would be westminster. Wouldn't give her a referendum, which has scarred her for life!

Never mind, I'm sure we'll all chip in to give her a bike soon enough.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 10:13:22
119. Meths - psychologists can also treat mental illness although not pharmacologically, and psychiatrists can study human behaviour.... however, taking your definition, and given the focus of the study included the behaviour of Andy Kerr, George Foulkes et al, I would suggest the article is probably correct
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clan_mackay,

ALBA 26/06/2008 10:17:32
THIS "C R A P" GETS BETTER BY THE DAY!!!!!BIASED OR WHAT ???
HOW MANY DOOM & GLOOM STORY'S ABOUT THE SNP ARE IN THIS PAPER????
THE HOOTSMAN LIEBOURS LOCAL RAG!!!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 10:19:45
124. A psychiatrist might say it is due to denial?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 10:21:01
126. I think a presctiption for some mind bending hallucinogen for everyone watching FMQs might be too pricey
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Anthony,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 10:26:49
Sounds like the real casualty here is the 'science' of psychiatry. The observations (even if we assume they are accurate, which I'm not convinced of), are not based on any methodological discipline, but sheer speculation and subjective opinion - even personal prejudice.

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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 10:27:16
I haven't kept up to speed. What happened to the
"Paisley regeneration fund" dinner money that she laundered a while ago? Has she got away with that too?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 10:29:40
130. Haven't heard anything about the SIF funds.... perhaps someone should write to the electoral commission and standards commissioner
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HughB,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 10:35:49
The sooner Labour and the other partys learn that they are not there to "beat" anybody, but they are there to work for the good of Scotland, THE BETTER.

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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 10:45:18
I hope this psychiatrist/psychologist has credentials in criminology!

Aversion therapy! That's what she needs! Easy!
Dangle wads of £950 in front of her......followed by a wee electric shock......wad....ZAP!!...wad....ZAP!!

Might kill her though! I can imagine those lips oscillating out of control! ARRGH,....horrible thought.
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 26/06/2008 10:48:28
Why do Neu Leiber need psychiatrists? Is it about being in denial over the Holyrood result? Has Wendy been told to enter a fraud rehab programme in order to stay out of prison?
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 26/06/2008 10:49:44
Scene: Labour HQ
Enter Nurse "Medication Time"
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ddmc,

26/06/2008 10:50:18
It doesnt matter how often you polish it.

A turd's a turd !
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MisterN,

Scotland 26/06/2008 10:55:12
Should they no be employing politicians instead?
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Ike,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 10:57:57
WHAT ABOUT THE GIFTS and the DISCIPLINARY ACTION ???? This is outrageous journalism.
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Rasco,

Inverness 26/06/2008 11:18:43
Psychiatrist is someone called Midw something we Joke is standing down and John Reid to stand and hopes to replace Wendy any truth in these stories
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 11:22:49
Wendy's spinstrel Simon Pia was found out leaking to the press a while ago.
Given that there's no way he'll do anything without her sanction, and that previously MSPs have been suspended for this, surely that alone deserves some kind of penalty!
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 26/06/2008 11:39:35
This strategy will backfire when all the labour MSP loonies are sectioned.
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Angus Ogg,

26/06/2008 11:46:43
#18

I was under the impression that when the Scotsman disallowed any comments on a particular article, such as the fact that it is now fact Benty Wendy broke the rules, means the issue may be sub judice (under judgement) and therefore unlawful, or unwise to comment in the public arena, until judgement and punishment are dished out.

Surely it means Wendy is now to be punished for what she did wrong?

Does this mean we can all go down to Holyrood with some rotten tomatoes ?
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Jimmy the Pie,

26/06/2008 11:55:03
I wonder if New Labour Sleaze will ever accept they lost the last election???

They're going to get a serious hammering in every upcoming election.

When will Comrade Broon and Red Wendy and all their useless comrades start their 'scorched earth' policy??

If you think the Hootsmoan's bias is bad just now, just watch the forthcoming months.

They'll make the Sun look intellectual.
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Jimmy the Pie,

26/06/2008 11:59:09
Did anyone read the drivel Iain Gray wrote (or got someone to write for him).

Medical care required for him as well.
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Celyn,

26/06/2008 12:22:00
Fat? Och, that's not nice. Maybe she's just trying to achieve some "gravitas". :)
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 26/06/2008 12:34:31
This is the same tactic that Celtic FC (that well known Scots football club) employed a few years ago against the referee Hugh Dallas, when they employed a psychiatrist to examine his behaviour in order to explain his (apparently) quite blatant bias in favour of any of the teams who happened to be playing against Celtic FC.

They resorted to this tactic when having TGFITW try to split the ref's head open with coins didn't work.

Now, given the 'Celtic minded' constituency's natural links to the Labour party in Scotland (as highlighted recently by the arch-bigot James McMillan), where do you think Labour got this idea?

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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 26/06/2008 12:36:12
I anticipate that Bob Christie, that well known keyboard splatterer and self appointed censor of opposing views to his, will report the above to the moderator as unsuitable. Get in quick folks!!!
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MtnKat,

26/06/2008 12:36:32
How did Wendy lose her voice? Was it upon learning that she had been rumbled? I seem to remember hearing a banshee cry two nights ago. Could it have been..............
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MtnKat,

26/06/2008 12:38:15
146 Jimmy the Pie
He got his comeuppance at FMQ's today.
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Calum Crubag,

26/06/2008 12:41:33
#1 - yeah, i noticed the 'Wendy is guilty' footnote. Some news is more equal than other news.

Why don't Labour start being positive instead of hiring spin doctors and shrinks to hide their negativity.
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 12:46:49
#151 MtnKat

It's just a psychological trick. This is the new "silent treatment" being recommended by her new head doctor.
Devilishly clever eh! You couldn't make this up.
FMQs should be serialised on the comedy channel.
Aye right Minister!

I'm just aghast at what passes for opposition politics in Holyrood.
A bit like Wendy, I was disturbed at FMQs. Off to watch the rest of it.
Like I said earlier,....Wendy,..the car crash that keeps on giving!
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 26/06/2008 13:05:44
Just sat down to lunch. Still laughing at both of these articles and connot believe we are getting to comment on them.

I cannot wait for FMQ as this will be a fantastic running joke.

Typical of labour. They cannot do anything right. They are off the heads and they get the shrink to look at someone else.

Pathetic. But funny as f#ck.
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ddmc,

26/06/2008 13:10:27
#154 lol, Aye Right Meenister

With Sssshaun Connery as the presiding officer
Jennifer Saunders as bendy wendy
Dawn French as salmond
fer foulkes sake as himself
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ruthie,

soon to be independent Scotland 26/06/2008 13:21:50
WHY no story on the investigation into her breach of the law? this paper is a joke. As is Wendy.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 13:59:27
I'll be sorry to see Wendy go...but not too much!

As Labour implodes with a civil war fought at the Harthill border, a new leader will emerge from the depths of darkest Lanarkshire. He or she will be another, ill-educated, hectoring bully, with a season ticket for Celtic Park, languishing in denial and refusing to accept that the West of Scotland Labour Establishment is not only not in power but is actually the reason the party is not in power. This delusional psychosis will convince the new leader that promising more of the same old same old will be the answer, thus condemning Labour to more years in the widerness and hastening the day when Scotland will be independant.
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Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

26/06/2008 14:00:15
119 Methalions,26/06/2008 10:08:00

Psychologists build castles in the air,
Psychiatrists pick up the rent.
;-)
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Richard Lionheart,

26/06/2008 14:05:25
At Last, labour MSP’s are getting Psychiatric treatment.

It would be better if this treatment were administered in the State Mental Hospital though.

Instead the Taxpayer is landed with the bill again with no prospect of tax payer value!
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Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

26/06/2008 14:05:26
59 Rulesbutnotrulers,Federation, not separation 26/06/2008 06:53:03

You really have lost it old son, haven't you.
Federalism is no use and you know it.
Who are the SNF by the way?
Or is that just another of your exceedingly cheap and onerous jibes, as you really have no capacity for reasoned or intellectual debate.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 26/06/2008 14:12:53
I see Wendy has opted for the old Chilean General Pinochet trick (also known as the Ernest Saunders - of the Guinness Four scandal - and subsequent “Alzheimers ruse”).

Sympathy is the key here so, basically, if you get into a lot of hot water and are facing a real going over for it, you:

1) lose your memory (Reagan used this old classic too in Irangate) or

2) pretend you have dementia until the bad news and accompanying day of reckoning goes away or

3) lose your voice and look all sad and wee and pathetic while the disciplinary committee of your peers decides what to do with you.
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Paula,

26/06/2008 14:15:08
If Jack McConnell got sent to deepest darkest Africa for being a fairly non-descript FM and Labour leader where will Wendy get sent to?

I hear Siberia is nice at this time of year. She could get up on her soapbox and waffle on for hours there - the people would think the old regime had returned.
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Paula,

26/06/2008 14:17:12
As for opposition, Annabel Goldie seems to be the only one. Wendy yells without purpose and Stephens whines like the school tattle-tale after the bullies have given him a wedgie.
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Neil Waugh,

OLd Strathcona 26/06/2008 14:23:27
Will Windy's trick cyclist be allowed to perform his booga booga on Brown Dog too?
It's pretty clear the guy's off his nutter as well.
Do head doctors offer bulk buying?
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AJ Fife,

26/06/2008 14:23:57
Sair throat ma @rse, cowardice without a doubt!
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Rodster,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 14:40:53
When the shrink told Wendy to use the silent treatment at FMQs I think she didn't fully understand what she was told.
A real big brain LMAO
PMSL
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kimba,

26/06/2008 14:46:02
Salmond’s so slimy that there having to employ a shrink to combat him,it’s not that he knows what he’s talking about of course,how could he,he thinks independences a good idea for heaven’s sake. Scotland beware of this man,at least he won’t be plying his trade in westminster much longer,thank heavens for small mercies,we need our own english parliament to avoid people like him
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Shredder,

26/06/2008 14:47:43
Maybe I’ve got a long memory but I seem to recall that, when the parliament was being set up, there was a lot of high minded talk about how their would be “a new type of politics” in the parliament and it would not degenerate into the haranguing of Westminster.

The Nats will no doubt think that it’s a measure of Labour’s ineffectiveness that they’ve had to call on such professional help to improve their performance, but I note that Alex’s in many ways the one who comes off worst from this article: he emerges as a Westminster hack skilled in the dark arts of rumbustious debate and using his skills to mask a lamentable failure to grasp detail.
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Mike555,

26/06/2008 14:54:58
The Labour Party is in a real mess when they have to employ a much needed psychiatrist for screaming Wendy.

Wonder who pays the fees for this service, as private consultations of this sort come to around £100.00 per hour.

Alex Salmond must be laughing his head off at this latest tragic development.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 26/06/2008 15:11:46
#172 On the contrary isn't "rumbustious debate" ie. an uncontrollably exuberant debate exactly what we do want from our leaders?

Hardly a "dark art" as you put it; my old school used to drag us off to ther schools to learn the skills in debate clubs.
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Stuntman Mike,

26/06/2008 15:13:17
#173 Mike: for a Scottish separatist, it’s funny that it took Salmond long enough to be cajoled into standing for Holyrood. His Westminster skills now look jarringly out of place and he’s the one who needs to change, not Wendy!
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 15:14:19
"I was guided by their advice in all good faith, which was consistent with the approach that appeared to have been adopted in all other party leadership elections conducted during the lifetime of the Scottish Parliament," said Ms Alexander.

Nonsense! She asked if anyone else had registered similar donations for party leadership contests.
She was told no! Which is correct.

Either she's being incredibly slippery, thinking she's boxed clever, or as is usual, she didn't know the correct question to ask.

Incompetence or cynicism!
Either way, there has to be some kind of sanction against this behaviour. Sanctioned or sectioned!
No wonder Labour are trying to silence her!


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George Laird,

26/06/2008 15:18:04
Dear All

"Labour employs psychiatrist to beat Salmond".

So Wendy Alexander gets in someone to play mind games, how pathetic.

The defence form of attack is the truth.

The psychiatrist would be better employed by working with Alexander to repair the flaws in her character.

She in my opinion a sociopath.

The lack of empathy oozes out of her without her speaking.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
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Shredder,

26/06/2008 15:19:07
#175 Mikko: it’s attitudes like yours that turn the public off politics! Whatever happened to “the new kind of politics”, promised by the founders of the SP, and the hope that a more civilised form of debate would increase voter turnout and re-engage the ordinary man in the street with the political process?

What hope for any kind of a respectable turnout in any eventual separation referendum if Salmond and co merrily indulge in “yaboo” knockabout?
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Saruman,

26/06/2008 15:29:57
#177 Ananurhing: forgive me, but you’re wallowing in sanctimony here, old chap! It’s quite obvious that neither Wendy or the parliamentary clerks had any real idea how to interpret the complicated and legalistic rules. For all her credentials, she has no legal training for pity’s sake! No doubt under pressure to move onto other matters, she checked with the clerks whether a similar situation had arisen before, ie there was no intentional wrongdoing! End of: give it a rest, man!
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 26/06/2008 15:33:12
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AM2,
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Is that really the best you can do on this subject trollmeister general.


What is your opinion of the behavior of Foulkes, The McNeils, Curran, Lamont in the chamber? Do you think they are an example of best practise? Salmond hands it out because of the YABOO SUCKS mob behavior of Nieu Lieubour who would put any Old Firm crowd to shame. Which of course is one reason why they are in opposition and the SNP are not. Their faces are more twisted with hate and malevolence every time you see them.

Once more trollmeister your comments display the utter hypocrisy we have come to expect from all the unionist trolls under your command.


ALBA GU BRATH.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 26/06/2008 15:34:50
#175 Shredder you can't just have a go at the Nats for "rumbustious debate". After all Bendy Wendy (when she has her shrill voice, which is more or less everyday that it doesn't suit her not to have one - like today ho ho ho) was shouting "BRING IT ON BRING IT ON" about the referendum. That didn't sound like a very intellectual position.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 26/06/2008 16:07:12
If Labour really think this will help, then they are in for a big disappointment.

I have seen Salmond perform just as effectively in a silent chamber.
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Miss H,

26/06/2008 16:18:52
172 I think the article and the analysis (if it really exists) is completely wrong in portraying Alex as someone who enjoys a fight.

He can do it, and with people like George Foulkes he has plenty of opportunities. But I think it bores him and by God it bores me as well.

I would be equally bored I have to say by politicians grasping at every little detail to score a point.

A national parliament is there to make important strategic decisions about how the country is governed and how resources are allocated. It should not be about petty point scoring or trying to trip someone up on points of detail that no-one really cares about.

I have been to community council meetings which were more stimulating than FMQs frankly and if you knew my community council you would know what a condemnation that is.

I would love to see Alex stretched a bit more than he is (no pun intended!) but that won't happen until Wendy starts asking decent coherent questions.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 26/06/2008 16:21:41
#180 Saruman

The thing you are either missing or choosing to ignore is that Wendy did not want to declare these donations. Otherwise she would have declared them, even if she had not been obliged to do so. She was trying to find a way of keeping them secret. The real question is, why?
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Miss H,

26/06/2008 16:21:52
180 Oh for goodness sake don't be so naive.

If she genuinely wanted to know whether she should declare donations to her leadership campaign she should have asked that question.

What she asked was if any other party leaders had made any such declarations.

It is the height of sophistry to pretend that this is the equivalent question. It is not.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 26/06/2008 16:23:13
#184 Miss H

...or until she resigns.....
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 26/06/2008 16:25:59
#184 I bet I can trade boring community council stories with you; the best I remember was a 90 minute argument through the pompous Chair about whether local school teachers should be allowed to use drawing pins to affix their notices to the village notice board? Or would this contravene "health and safety" laws (in the wrong hands drawing pins can be dangerous)and perhaps the teachers should be bought a staple gun and staples instead - out of local funds.
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Shug the Dug,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 16:37:15
"Ms Alexander's one noticeable strength over Mr Salmond.....her grasp of detail." Except for the detail relating to illegal gifts. She clearly failed to grasp that detail although she was quick to grasp the money!
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Stuntman Mike,

26/06/2008 16:50:53
#188 Mikko: rather than putting yourself through it, try simply having a quick scan of the community council’s notice board/news letter every now and again: that’s what most of us non political types do!

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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 17:01:13
#180 Saruman

You tell yourself whatever you need to, but your take on the situation has no bearing on reality.
Events as I've described them are a matter of record. Not my interpretation.
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Mercian,

UK 26/06/2008 17:08:31
I think this is really a cunning ploy by Labour. They're hoping when Salmond reads this article his head will grow too big to get through the parliament doors....
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Alan B,

26/06/2008 17:20:49
#186 Miss H

Also did she not ask any question regarding the declaring donations until after the deadline to declare. ie she only asked when investigations were being made into the well documented illegal donation that she accepted.
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ThomasP,

26/06/2008 17:27:56
"Labour employs psychiatrist to beat Salmond."

Alex Salmond must be the greatest Political Leader of all time for Labour to spend money on learning how to compete with him.
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Graham Simpson,

Vancouver 26/06/2008 17:30:35
A pity that Wendy's much vaunted 'grasp of detail' disappeared when she was asked to define exactly the source and disposition of generous funding, magically appearing at the time of her uncontested bid for Scottish Branch Manager status of the 'British Nu-Labour' entertainment group.

This psychiatrist would be better employed in sitting down with Gordon for wee chat and a lie down on the couch to ask him why he seems compelled to have the right to lockup his fellow citizens for 42 days without charge or trial.
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MCA.Ald,

alderney 26/06/2008 18:09:33
"Labour employs psychiatrist to beat Salmond." The fee (into six figures?)will be paid by the tax payer.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 18:18:45
180. Saruman "complicated and legalistic rules" LOL. ROTFL. All cash donations over £56o to be registered. What is complicated and legalistic about that? Wendy can't get her head round a "complicated" rule to register cash donations, but she want to run a £30 bn budget.

Weird that Wendy got her head around the "complicated and legalistic" rules requiring donations over £1000 to have the doner registered (hence 19 donations at £995 or £950) but couldn't grasp the need to register cash gifts? LOL
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 18:20:40
Save the Bendy One!

Where would we all be without the entertainment provided by a wide mouthed frog informing us of the adventures of a hungry caterpillar?

How many psychiatrists does it take to change the leading lightbulb of the Scottish Parish of the Liebour Sleaze and Corruption Party?

Only one, but the lightbulb must really, really want to be changed!
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Stuntman Mike,

26/06/2008 18:23:26
#199 McMadman: at least kimba contributes something in her pedagogical role: what do you have to offer? You may deride kimba but, as Alf Garnett used to say on tv, “listen and you might learn something!) I know I can’t talk, as I’m more Rigsby (another tv character) myself: property’s my line!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 18:23:52
203. Bendy Suspendy
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 18:24:39
204. The Master, begone you transparent bore, we know you are Kimba and others you sad pillock
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Alasdair,

26/06/2008 18:29:00
No comments allowed in the Wendy thread.
Quelle suprise.

What a lamentable, execrable, regretable, biased little rag the Hootsmon has become.

No wonder morale is so low among its skeleton staff of rather awful journalists.
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subrosa,

26/06/2008 18:56:39
What amazes me is where are the labour party getting the money from to employ a psychiatrist? I thought they were in meltdown concerning finances.

Is there nothing they will do to ensure the so-called Union isn't broken? Seems like it.
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Stuntman Mike,

26/06/2008 19:00:49
#206: chill man! We're cool, aren't we!
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 19:02:41
212. Theys probs get it for free on the NHS
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Nikostratos,

26/06/2008 19:42:26
Only 24 hours Wendy can do that standing on her head no probs.I do hope this means you nats will now change the record as this one has finally run its course.

And 24 hrs is little more than a tinsy light smack on wendys wrist......Smack!

"What A Difference A Day Makes"

What a difference a day makes
Twenty-four little hours
Brought the sun and the flowers
Where there used to be rain

My yesterday was blue, dear
Today I'm a part of you, dear
My lonely nights are through, dear
Since you said you were mine.



Anyway as Alex is unable to take the 'silent Treatment' I Suggest at the next FMQs all the opposition msp should walk out leaving Alex on his own.
This should lead to him having a complete nervous breakdown.

Mind when me wife gives me the silent treatment I find the ensuing peace and quiet nice and relaxing.....Um i'll have to think this one over.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 19:48:09
215. Niko - indeed. Labour believe that 42 days detention for people who have been accussed of nothing is appropriate, Labour think that severe punishment for those who make mistakes on benefit applications involving sums much smaller than Ms Alexander's illegal sleaze actions, but appear to think 1 day suspension is too much for an admitted law breaker.... go figure?
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 20:21:32
Bob Christie #192

"#149 & #150

Seems nobody else understood what you were on about!
Perhaps a psychiatrist could help you with YOUR BIGOTRY"

What 'bigotry' is that then, Bob Christie? Is it, perhaps, the bigotry you portray when someone, anyone, says or writes something you disagree with? Flub's comments are perfectly relevant and not in the least offensive, never mind bigoted, whatever you mean by that.

You strike me as yet another one of those bitter wee guys who is prepared to travel great distances in order to be offended by someone else's cultural celebration.

Writing ‘bigotry’ in capital letters, don't make it so. It's all so 'Spanish Inquisition' in nature scream 'heresy' about someone whose opinions you disagree with and hope the witch-finder general will cause them to be introduced to the instruments of torture before being burnt at the stake, of course.

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Conan the Librarian™,

26/06/2008 20:32:20
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Are you taking your psychiatrist's advice?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 20:57:27
219/221 - do me eyes deceive me? Was Highland witty there? well, well
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Conan the Librarian™,

26/06/2008 20:58:02
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"I will be keeping my powder dry until further notice."

Keeping it in the bathroom cabinet instead of on your behind?

For a spell...
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 20:59:16
224. One can only guess what the "powder" in question is? My guess if free dried mescalin saturated with Jackie Baillie'es bile. Spot the weird spelling mistake.... must be about time he switched from this moniker to AM2?
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 21:01:26
226. LOL. Nice one and hats off
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Conan the Librarian™,

26/06/2008 21:10:53
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Has the world turned upside down, Ayrshire?

First AM2, now HM cracking wise...

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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/06/2008 21:37:43
There may be some entertainment in it for the shrink - probably a bottle of whisky and a copy of DSM IV handy and the rich seam of luncay emanating from the Labour benches! Spot the aberration.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/06/2008 21:38:35
Typo "lunacy" in last post.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 26/06/2008 21:39:21
#220 Arthur & #230 Bob

I am curious if either of you have an opinion on the recent books alleging with much detailed research that

"... the House of Orange turned to the Odescalchi. They were the most solvent moneylenders in Italy. Thus the wars of heretical Holland were financed by the Catholic family of Cardinal Odescalchi, the future Pope Innocent XI."

The authors Monaldi and Sorti insist that they have established beyond doubt that it is a fact – that Innocent XI bankrolled the invasion of England by William of Orange; leading to the downfall of James II and the (Catholic) Stuarts, the triumph of the Protestants, and the end of Catholicism as a force in English politics.

If this is true it surely shows the utter folly of 'the troubles' as well as the manipulative nature of organised religions.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

26/06/2008 21:45:40
229. Nah Conan, I reckon the official Labour Party Psychiatrist has just reviewed their posts and pointed out their (AM2 singular, as Highland/ EV et al and general liar about his identity) general persona is repulsive and vile, and they are trying to befriend the reader.....
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 26/06/2008 22:19:36
British Pride,
11/04/2008 18:16:47
553. Whoa! Great! Such typical SNP incite. Fantastic! I only post as Highland Mighty, can you say the same you cyber-nay???

http://tinyurl.com/944cj
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 26/06/2008 22:19:36
British Pride,
11/04/2008 18:16:47
553. Whoa! Great! Such typical SNP incite. Fantastic! I only post as Highland Mighty, can you say the same you cyber-nay???

http://tinyurl.com/944cj
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HEN BROON 5,

ALBA being held back by the UK 26/06/2008 22:19:37
British Pride,
11/04/2008 18:16:47
553. Whoa! Great! Such typical SNP incite. Fantastic! I only post as Highland Mighty, can you say the same you cyber-nay???

http://tinyurl.com/944cj
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Ananurhing,

26/06/2008 22:24:20
I still can't get over the comedic value of the trick cyclist recommending that a "quiet chamber" would reveal Salmond's achilles heel. Then we see Wendy with her normally screeching vocal chords silenced.
It's like some hammy Vaudeville comedy. 'Allo 'allo meets Yes Minister! Hilarious!

Access to Nuslabs inner circle - £950

The price of Wendy's integrity - £950

To see the Harridan silenced - PRICELESS!

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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 27/06/2008 06:52:16
They are ALL nuts!

ANd that also applies to some, if not the majority, of posters to these threads that are Scottish. :))))
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Non!!,

East Britain 27/06/2008 07:19:34
Neurotics build castles in the air, psychotics live in them and psychiatrists draw the rent. It was ever thus.
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wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 27/06/2008 07:33:12
The Establishment and their media lackies set the agenda for the daily dose of propoganda trash dished up for the benefit of the majority 'gullible'. This is what's termed freedom in our wonderful 'democracy'.
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TARTAN TEDDY BEAR,

PAISLEY 27/06/2008 08:57:38
Scottish Labour require the help of a psychiatrist. This must be to assess their looney left right and centre.
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M.Corleone,

2nd Vatican State ....Coatbridge 27/06/2008 17:01:16
Wait...there could be a war round the corner..let's invade somebody to impose democracy on them and save them from a fate worse than death.
Of course we could just kill the people in the process and save a lot of hassle..... What Labour problem ??
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Eve,

Scotland 27/06/2008 22:24:02
Thanks for the laugh!!

I haven't laugh this much since wee Jack McConnell was first minster.

Psychiatrist in Holyrood. I've no idea where the get the idea that slince in the debating chambers helps Wendy with her details. They ovbousely enjoy hearing the likes of the hungery catapiler story.

I would have thought that slience in the debating chamber would of in effect have Wendy talk more rubbbish or reaping her self over and over again. She can be repative. It is the same thing she saying, she no going to detail with it. It's nothing to do with her intellegence it's just she comes across wrong and as more of a dictator or as if she tring to brainwash us or something that she right and Alex is wrong.

 

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