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Published Date: 08 June 2009
LABOUR suffered a mauling at the hands of the SNP as disastrous European election results across the UK dealt another shattering blow to Gordon Brown's insistence that he will not step down as Prime Minister.
After all but one of the results had been declared, the SNP was heading for about 29 per cent of the popular vote in Scotland, well ahead of Labour, which had around 21 per cent. However, Labour held on to its two seats.

The SNP also took two seats, with the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats on one each.

In Wales, Labour was beaten by the Conservatives for the first time in any popular vote since 1918, with the Tories claiming to have "killed the lie that Wales will always be Labour".

Across the UK, Labour was heading for about 16 per cent of the popular vote, down from 22.9 per cent in 2004. With four results in, Labour looked set to trail UKip (UK Independence Party) in third place in the share of the popular vote, according to a BBC projection.

It put the Tories first with 27 per cent, followed by UKip on 17 per cent, Labour on 16 per cent, the Liberal Democrats on 14 per cent, the Greens on 9 per cent and the BNP on 6 per cent. In a further blow to the government, the BNP won its first European seat, as "veteran nationalist" Andrew Brons was elected for the far-right party in Yorkshire and Humber.

The grim picture will offer further ammunition to rebel MPs, who are set to confront Mr Brown at a meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party tonight. Yesterday, the Prime Minister sent a defiant message to party activists, insisting he would not abandon the British public at a time of crisis.

But Labour MP John McDonnell said the writing was on the wall. "If Labour MPs and Gordon Brown don't get the message from these results we are finished," he said. "The message is clear – we need a complete change of political direction."

He added: "New Labour is being eliminated at the ballot box. People are telling us that they want the Labour Party to become a people's party again. Only then will we regain voter trust."

Labour languished far behind the Conservatives in the results for most of the English regions declared last night. In some regions that had not declared by midnight, it was speculated that Labour could come as low as fifth.

Deputy leader Harriet Harman admitted: "We are bracing ourselves for very dismal results, there is no doubt about that."

She sought to deflect blame from the Prime Minister, instead seizing on the row over MPs' expenses as the catalyst for the electoral slaughter.

"Our supporters are absolutely furious with us about expenses," she said. "They expect us to have higher standards than the Tories."

But the results for Labour were ominous in Scotland, a heartland for the party and Mr Brown's home ground. With results in for all but one council areas, the Nationalists surged to 29.2 per cent, pushing Labour to just under 21 per cent, while the Tories were on 16.9 per cent and the Liberal Democrats 11.5 per cent and the Greens 7.5 per cent.

First Minister and SNP leader Alex Salmond said: "This is a historic result for the SNP, up ten points on the last European election and the first time we have ever won a UK-wide election in Scotland."

In the last election, the SNP, Labour and the Tories had two seats each and the Liberal Democrats one. But the number of Scottish Euro seats has since been reduced to six through European enlargement.

Mr Salmond said the SNP's margin of victory was much greater than in the knife-edge 2007 Holyrood elections.

He said it was Labour's worst share of the vote in Scotland since World War One and the emergence of the modern Labour Party.

"In the contest between two governments, the SNP in Scotland and Labour at Westminster, the people of Scotland have delivered a massive vote of confidence in the SNP and a massive rejection of Labour," he said.

Liberal Democrat MP Alistair Carmichael said: "The people of Scotland are walking away from Labour in their droves. We go back more than half a century to find a result as bad as this for the Labour Party in Scotland."

Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray admitted the results were "disappointing" for Labour, but said lessons had been learned from the European campaign.

"The public have been deeply disillusioned by the expenses scandal and Labour, as the government, has taken the main hit," he added. "But, as Gordon Brown said, Labour's priorities are to clean up politics and work towards economic recovery."

David Martin, Labour's lead candidate in Scotland, said: "It's a disappointing night for Labour, but if we can take any comfort it is the fact that our initial analysis suggests that the Labour vote stayed at home, as opposed to coming out and voting against us. With a backdrop of political crisis, Westminster expenses and the economic crisis, this was not the worst result."

Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP deputy leader and Deputy First Minister, said it was a "fantastic result" for her party.

The Conservative MP David Mundell said: "We've polled very well in the areas we need to, to win additional seats at Westminster."

In East Renfrewshire, the constituency of Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy, Labour was hammered into third place on 20.8 per cent of the vote, behind the first-place Conservatives on 28.6 per cent and the second-place SNP with 22.8 per cent.

In Mr Brown's home patch of Fife, Labour squeaked ahead of the SNP, but only by a 200-vote margin – 21,248 to 21,043.

By late evening, with most of the results in, Labour outpolled the SNP in only two other areas – Glasgow and North Lanarkshire.

Falkirk also saw a swing of 11 per cent to the SNP, with the Nationalists securing 36 per cent of the vote and Labour on 24 per cent. Among several blows for Labour was East Lothian, the area represented in Holyrood by its Scottish leader, Iain Gray. Here, Labour was outpolled by the SNP by a margin of 25 per cent to 22 per cent.

Labour's leader in the European Parliament said that the expenses scandal at Westminster had "overshadowed" her party's election campaign.

Glenis Willmott said the attempts of candidates and activists to talk about policies and Labour's track record in Brussels had been "frustrated" on the doorstep by people's anger at the revelations of expense claims.

OLD FACES RETURNED AGAIN

SCOTLAND'S MEPs elected last night showed little change on those elected in 2004.

Ian Hudghton and Alyn Smith, the two SNP MEPs, were re-elected, as were the two Labour MEPs, David Martin and Catherine Stihler.

Struan Stevenson, also already an MEP, was the sole Conservative elected, while the only new member of the European Parliament will be George Lyon, the Liberal Democrat former MSP.

The results from each council area did throw up some interesting little cameos, though. In the Scottish Borders, not a Labour stronghold, Labour's 6.8 per cent was only enough for fifth place – behind UKip.

The SNP won in Edinburgh, with the Conservatives in second and Labour in third – just ahead of the Lib Dems.

And in Falkirk, a Labour stronghold, the SNP won 36 per cent of the vote, 13 per cent ahead of Labour – perhaps a reflection of the fact that both Labour MPs in the area have been embroiled in the expenses scandal.

The results from the Western Isles will be declared this morning.

BNP LEADER GRIFFIN 'OUTRAGED'

BNP leader Nick Griffin was briefly prevented from attending last night's Euro election count in Manchester by protesters.

Placard-waving anti-BNP demonstrators surrounded a number of cars – one of which was thought to be carrying Mr Griffin – when they arrived at Manchester Town Hall.

The cars drove away without anyone getting out.

But Mr Griffin, who is hoping to become the far-right BNP's first MEP in the EU-wide election, later entered the town hall via a rear entrance, having arrived in a police van.

He said: "It's outrageous what the left Labour Party are doing."

He was surrounded by minders and police officers as he entered the building.

Small crowds of noisy demonstrators had gathered at the town hall carrying "Don't Vote BNP" banners and chanting their protests.

BNP WINS FIRST EUROPEAN SEAT

THE British National Party won a seat in the European Parliament last night for the first time in its history.

Andrew Brons, the far right party's candidate in the Yorkshire and Humber region, took the seat from Labour with 120,139 votes.

Cabinet minister Andy Burnham said the result was a "sad moment for British politics".

The BNP was also hoping to win a seat across the Pennines in the north-west region where party leader Nick Griffin stood, taking up to 16 per cent of the vote.

The full article contains 1522 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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Jerry Springer,

07/06/2009 23:58:01
The SNP had 2 seats before this election, they will have 2 seats after this election.

Labour had 2 seats before this election and they will still have 2 after it.

The SNP, always the bridesmaid and never the bride.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:02:14
New Labour Sleaze humiliated yet again by Alex Salmond and his superb team.

Congratulations and keep up the good work!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:02:55
#1 Hey Rufus,

Why another moniker???
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:07:31
#4 English Voice,


Maybe the voters deserted the SNP because of the very successful mud slinging campaign orchestrated by Comrade Gray and Comrade Murphy????
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:08:09

If what Jerry Springer said at #1 is correct, then Nothing Happened, and a reflection for the General Election perhaps?



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English Voice,

08/06/2009 00:09:31
5. Jimmy

I feel the dissappointing result for the SNP, which suffered an 11% increase in its vote to limp home only in first place, was probably due to the charismatic performance of Ian Gray and the bold, united, sleaze-free and competent performance of London Labour.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:14:40
#7 English,

Aye you're right.

Comrade Devine and Comrade Lard Foolkes deserve a round of applause for their sterling efforts for the massive New Labour Sleaze success in the elections.

Well done comrades.
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 00:14:49

What was the turnout compared to the last european elections?


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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:16:45
Looks like New Labour Sleaze have romped home with a massive 16% of the vote over the whole of the UK!!!!!!!

Bring on the General Election!!!!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:18:39

Situation could very well become a "Hung parliament"!

When was the last one?




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Rosie,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:19:18
Congratulations to the SNP!
I am so happy....
And no matter what some of you say, all your put downs of the SNP, you can't take it away from us!
I am so happy!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:19:45
#10 Stan Toryy Boy.

Paddy O'Poison should be along shortly to join our celebrations. He has all stats at his fingertips!!

The privatisation of Royal Mail will surely help push up New Labour Sleaze's share of the vote to 12%!!!!

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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:21:09
#12 Boswall,

Good to see the electorate agreed with you?????
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:21:29
Dry your eyes Boswell, dry your eyes :-))))
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 00:22:07

Looks like the whole of Europe has lurched to the right, so the situation in Scotland and the UK as a whole is just following the general trend.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 00:23:00

1974/1951/1929

2009?

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Pentland,

08/06/2009 00:23:34
Why no Western Isles results? Apparently they were counted on Friday. Why fax? Why not courier or don't they ever have to send important documents round the country? What's wrong with email? That's technology for you!

And the Western Isles can only read the results on Tuesday: Monday's papers are prepared on a Sunday, so can't have them!
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 00:24:17
#15 Jimmy Le Pie

How did the SNP's 2 MEPs vote on the Postal Directive?

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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:24:28
I'll bet the mobile phones, laser printers and microphones are smashing of the walls in Downing Street.

Did Comrade Broon bring Lord Sugar into government so he can supply that kind of gear??????
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:27:22
#22 Stan Tory Boy,

Haven't a clue but I'm sure you're going to tell me!!!

I see Our Dear Leader might be dropping the Royal Mail sell off. Any thoughts on that oh wise one???
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 00:28:54
Oh dear looks like the unionist spoilers are coming out to play.

Night all.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 00:39:10
Spook...Stan

What's all this about a 2-2-1-1 split? are there enough results in to confirm that?

If labour is on about 21% a fifth party would take one from Labour if they got about 7%...Nobody made that?

Multiples of 14.3%...then largest residual vote?
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G.Campbell,

08/06/2009 00:40:51
"This a personal humiliation for Iain Gray" - Alex Salmond. Referring to the SNP coming first in East Lothian. At the next FMQs. Hopefully.
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Darien,

Panama 08/06/2009 00:45:44
Great that the SNP won with 29% of the vote.

But the real tragedy is that over 70% of adults did not even bother to vote at all.
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Curley Bill,

08/06/2009 00:47:23
Yet again the party led by Scotland's Greatest Living Politician records a phenomenal share of the vote.
To all of the sad sacks, like Rufus Springer, Stan 'Comical Alex' Butler, and those yet to appear like Grahamski and FeeFee, I say only this.
Stop flogging a dead horse, children, and come join the party which will take Scotland into a bright new world.
Live the dream and support the Scottish National Party - you know it makes sense.
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lachlan,

08/06/2009 00:49:43
ach we are too small,too stupid, lack leaders yet the s.n.p. vote increases what next:)
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 01:02:52
Hold on one minute, wasn't Labour to lose all of their seats, what happened?
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Brianwci,

08/06/2009 01:03:43
The following figures are thee most sensational election figures in Scotland in 50 years and more.

SNP WINS IN EDINBURGH of all places and

just UNDER 3% BEHIND LABOUR IN GLASGOW

Those results in themselves are absolutely incredible!

DUNDEE SNP 40.9%...apparently Brian Taylor is delighted....at least I think that was what he said just before he went catatonic with happiness :)

Full results at 00.13

Aberdeen City - 28.2% turnout
SNP = 30.3
Labour = 20.2
Conservatives = 17.0
Liberal Democrats = 12.6
Greens = 6.6
UKIP = 5.0

Aberdeenshire - 29.1% turnout
SNP = 35.6
Conservatives = 23.1
Liberal Democats = 14.6
Labour = 7.2
UKIP = 6.2
Greens = 6.1

Angus - 29.7% turnout
SNP = 41.3
Conservatives = 23.7
Labour = 8.9
Liberal Democrats = 7.1
UKIP = 5.7
Greens = 5.5

Argyll and Bute - 35.7% turnout
SNP = 28.8
Liberal Democrats = 22.0
Conservatives = 19.6
Labour = 9.2
Greens = 6.6
UKIP = 6.1

Clackmannanshire – 27.0% turnout
SNP = 33.4
Labour = 25.3
Conservatives = 13.3
Liberal Democrats = 7.5
Greens = 6.5
UKIP = 4.7

Dumfries and Galloway - 32.7% turnout
Conservatives = 32.4
SNP = 21.8
Labour = 15.2
UKIP = 9.0
Liberal Democrats = 7.7
Greens = 5.7

Dundee – 27.0% turnout
SNP = 40.9
Labour = 22.2
Conservatives = 11.3
Liberal Democrats = 6.0
Greens = 5.1
UKIP = 4.2

East Ayrshire - 25.3% turnout
SNP = 33.7
Labour = 27.3
Conservatives = 14.6
Liberal Democrats = 5.3
UKIP = 4.8
Greens = 4.4

East Dumbartonshire - 36.5% turnout
SNP = 24.9
Labour = 20.9
Liberal Democrats = 17.2
Conservatives = 16.9
Greens = 7.0
UKIP = 4.8

East Lothian – 28.9% turnout
SNP = 25.5
Labour = 21.7
Conservatives = 20.8
Liberal Democrats = 10.9
Greens = 8.4
UKIP = 4.7

East Renfrewshire – 36.6% turnout
Conservatives = 28.6
SNP = 22.8
Labour = 20.8
Liberal Democrats = 8.9
Greens = 6.5
UKIP = 5.0

Edinburgh – 35.5% turnout
SNP = 21.4
Conservatives = 19.1
Labour = 17.8
Liberal Democrats = 17.3
Greens
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Curley Bill,

08/06/2009 01:04:40
#40 AMW:
How the hell do you know my Wurly's Curly? You been talking to my wife?

Anyway, howzabout this - David Martin, Labour MEP says it was a very poor night for the Nationalists, he added: "This is not the breakthrough the SNP would have hoped for - 30% (share of the vote)."

Like the rest of you poor Labourites, the only answer to Mr Martin is, 'Are you mental?'
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Noxious,

08/06/2009 01:05:49
39 Krazy

I agree with your sentiments and generally I'm not one to gloat, but I do find it hard to resist temptation from time to time when faced with the comments from some of the deluded Labour apologists who post here and who, frankly, are just on the wind up.
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Fitba Krazy,

08/06/2009 01:09:27
The 70% who didn't bother won the election at a skoosh.

Maybe they don't want to be in Europe.

Maybe they are pssd off with corruption in politics.

Maybe they don't see any difference no matter who wins.

Maybe they are apathetic because their living standards are poor.

70% not voting is not a great result for any political party.

There has to be a reason for that.
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Curley Bill,

08/06/2009 01:14:36
Scotland will prosper, children.
It's been a long time coming but it's on its way.

Off to bed with congratulations to all of the many SNP supporters on these threads - well done us.

One caveat - don't be too hard on the broken-hearted Unionistas and don't gloat too much.
We're not them - we're better than that.
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LEAL,

08/06/2009 01:15:16
A great result.Shame no one pointed out that Scotland under London rule only gets half the number of MEPs as the Irish and Danes.
Where can I find out how each authority district in Scotland voted?
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Fitba Krazy,

08/06/2009 01:17:10
44 Noxious, You are better trying to ignore Pro-Labour wind up merchants, although if they insult you, well that's a different matter.

Anyone who still votes Labour must have their head firmly buried deep in the sand, in my opinion. Maybe that's why around 70% didn't bother and the others do not appeal for whatever reason.
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 01:17:56
(#6) – (Charles Linskaill) – Do you really believe this is a reflection for the General Election?

Do you feel that people will stay at home instead of voting?

Do you believe then that it might be beneficial to the electoral processes if the General Election is held off for as long as possible to see if the anger shown over the expenses scandal dies down?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 01:19:07
Any body going to explain to me how Labour can get 2 MEP's with around 21% of the vote?

By my reckoning the "others" who collectively will have about 20%, would only need to have one among their number with about 7% to take a seat off them.

Is my abacus broke or is it no longer possible for the Greens/UKIP or any of the others to crack 7% ?
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 01:21:22
#1 Jerry Springer,

Contrary to your post, the SNP are polling about 10% ahead of Labour. If that's not news, then you must have your head in the sand. The SNP might not have secured enough of the vote to win a third MEP (though not all the votes are in), but if you are a Labour voter and you're happy at having lost so much of your vote, then you deserve to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Only yesterday, the Labour party were crowing about winning two council by-elections from the SNP, even though the swing to the SNP was about 5 - 10%. The European results suggest that the swing to the SNP in its mid-term is about 7 or 8%. In England, Labour may come fourth (contrary to John Prescott's "go fourth" campaign).

In Wales, the Tories have beaten Labour for the first time since 1918. In some seats, Labour are being pushed into fifth place. So, if Jerry Springer (not the real one) thinks it's all fine, then well and good. Roll on the General Election. Oh - and #1 - have you forgotten how badly Labour did in the English council elections? Truly, Labour are lurching from crisis to crisis.
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big is the new small,

08/06/2009 01:27:38
Broon, your tea's oot.

bye bye to sleaze Labour, illegal wars, cash for questions, cash for honours, fraudulent expenses, a joke of a financial policy and trying to wipe Scotland off the map.

the people don't lie and we don't suffer fools. enjoy the dole queues you created. Labour party R.I.P
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Temple,

Italy 08/06/2009 01:29:29
GREAT GREAT GREAT results in every country around Europe by the AntiSchengen and anti Bruxelles parties
the left wind is almost over
1 more election to definitely throw them on the ground
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 01:31:01


Why mess this thread page with big blanks?

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 01:31:33
What do you make of the Mods? deleting #57 but leaving all the Union Mutt's poo intact?
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Castaway™ ,

08/06/2009 01:33:08
The momentum is moving towards the SNP.

SNP, around 29 per cent of the popular vote.
Labour, around 21 per cent of the popular vote.
It was the second time Labour had come second to the SNP, the last time being in the knife-edge 2007 Holyrood elections.

SNP made big gains in traditional Labour areas, beating Labour in Midlothian, East Lothian, Edinburgh and South Lanarkshire.
In SNP heartland areas, the swing to the Nationalists was even more pronounced, taking 40 per cent in Moray and 41 per cent in Dundee.
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Eyesrolledindespair,

Afloatinaboat off the Florida coastline 08/06/2009 01:34:46
I see the poor, desperate onionistas are desperately trying to prevent dialogue.

Time to grow up and face reality.
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Cpt Incredible,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 01:36:19
Gordon Brown,Iain Gray,Harriet Harman,Jim Murphy,Lord Foulkes,David Maddox,Rufus T Firefly. YOUR BOYS TOOK A HELL OF A BEATING HERE TONIGHT.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 01:38:30
#67 Charles,

I've reported Union Mutt's posts as unsuitable for trying to wreck the forum. I think others should too. I'm all for free speech but not for free space.
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/06/2009 01:38:44
#65, Temple.

Your wish for a new Third Reich is a chimera.

Preying on the least fortunate in society for political gain may have worked in the 20/30s, but, in today's world, it has no hope.

"The truth will set you free."
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Gorach,

Oban 08/06/2009 01:38:47
Time to wake up brothers and sisters.
We have been sleeping too long.

Alba gu Brath
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TheUnionisBritish,

08/06/2009 01:42:17
and we still have the Western Isles to come in. As it was counted on Friday and from the PoliticalBetting.com site the SNP have trounced Labour there but the result wouldn't be announced on the Sabbath it will interesting to see the share of the vote in this seat.
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Quagmire for FM,

08/06/2009 01:44:47
#70

Cornwall Euro results: Con 46,589; UKIP 39,954; Lib Dem 29,436; Green 13,361; MK 11,534; Lab 8,483

The SNP also won the Westminster seats of Glasgow North & Glasgow South.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 01:44:56
#71 Eyesrolledindespair,

And hiding behind a cunning double bluff Moniker too.

Union Mutt...British to the Bone!
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EdB,

Warwick 08/06/2009 01:46:58
Charles Linskaill - you can't say that, in fact how do you have the brass balls to say that!? You are an absolute disgrace, yet again. What does go around in your head all day, eh? Your comments on here, as always, detract from the debate, they certainly don't add to it. You are unbelievable. And please moderate your language. Resorting to the use of four letter words is not clever, it just shows how very limited your vocabulary is.
Get gone with you, nurse Ratched is calling you, time for your meds.
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Temple,

Italy 08/06/2009 01:49:21
Your wish for a new Third Reich is a chimera.
# 74
ahahaha don't cry mcbride cause thare is another election in 2014 and may be the comunism can win
just think that 10 20 years ago without Schengen we ( in all over Europe )was all in the Third Reich
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Alan B,

08/06/2009 01:53:03
Will be interesting to see if the lib dems can overtake labour at the general election.

Also interesting that labour have been demolished in the south. While the tories stopped being a proper national party when they failed to return mps in scotland labour seem to be going the same way and could get wiped out in the south. UK politics is being polarised.

The current constitution cannot continue and is imploding.

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 01:57:37

Gregor Addison ~73,

I was going to do the same, as it is a shame to ruin any commenting threads to-which we have the privilege.
For me, comment #1 'Old-Boy-Jerry', is a work of 'Art', and unusually I see the 'Red-Pen' being used at this time of the morning, to-which, is very unusual Indeed!

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frank mcbride,

lusitania 08/06/2009 02:00:23
#82, Temple.

Sam the Bam, are you reading the Tarot cards again?
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 02:00:54
(#82) - (Temple) - You do know you've missed a "m" out of Communism don't you?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 02:01:22

Ewan Randall ~60,

All the Party's were Involved with the "Expenses Scandal", This includes the SNP, and 'Bedding'.

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

08/06/2009 02:01:43
Broon was all over the TV screens this afternoon speechifying in front of an invited bunch of sycophantic poodles...where is he hiding tonight.

Logging on to newspaper sites as Union Mutt?
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Stephen Maturin,

, HMS Surprise at sea , 08/06/2009 02:05:53
Congratulations to the SNP and the others who showed NuLiebore what we all think of them. Of course we shouldn't be complacent as a wounded beast is at its most dangerous and NuLiebore wrote the book on dirty tricks and smearing the opposition. I'm sorry for the unionists and Labour voters who are still following their failed parties. Please try to see that things have changed forever and that you need to move with the times.

Saor Alba, Erin agus Catalonia!
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 02:20:07
(#88) – (Charles Linskaill) – Aren’t people going to need that extra time to reflect on who they believe deserves voting for through all of that deception if numbers of voters are to go up?
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Proud Flower of Scotland,

Dumfries 08/06/2009 02:25:24
Just a wee observation... The SNP vote in Scotland was higher than the Tory vote in the UK... that is right, lads and lassies, the SNP took the highest percentage voter support of ANY party in this election.

Rufus, your flush is busted.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 02:34:47

I believe that we will have a "Hung parliament", with the smaller Party's showing face, such as, in our old-terms,...
...Lord Sutch, "Monster Raving Loony Party"!
Because we have to the state of a 'Ludicrous Situation'.
"Witch-Hunting", Solves Nothing!, It Destroys a Country, to-where no-one Wins, as in divorce, there is NO Winner!





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Evia,

08/06/2009 02:36:53
How big is this monster's head? He spews out more verbal manure than has been spewed out by any other politician that I can remember. His education is seriously lacking because he doesn't understand a simple sentence that says "Please go, Gordon." All Gordon understands is money flowing into his own pocket i.e. the £millions he earned through ratifying the Lisbon Treaty that will give the EU total control over this once proud country. Not only does Brown think this is good for us but Salmond also thinks it's good to be in the EU.

I know very few people who want to be in the EU and yet Brown refused us the promised referendum and that is why many of the voters turned from Labour. It was not just about the expenses scandal, it was about what it is costing us to be in the EU and yet have very little say in what happens to us. The MEPs in the EU and the MPs here have not read the Lisbon Treaty and just vote the way they are told, on this and other matters, unless they have the guts to vote for what they believe in. The majority of the British people have no idea of what the Lisbon Treaty is about but, still, many just complain about what it costs us. If only they had made the effort to become clued up on what it stands for, I am sure many would have voted differently. Wait until the whole horrendous reality kicks in and they will wonder what has happened to them.

Gordon Brown, Britain's weapon of mass destruction.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 02:38:02

Opps Edit!

#92 Ewan,

I believe that we will have a "Hung parliament", with the smaller Party's showing face, such as, in our old-terms,...
...Lord Sutch, "Monster Raving Loony Party"!
Because we have become to the state of a 'Ludicrous Situation'.
"Witch-Hunting", Solves Nothing!, It Destroys a Country, to-where no-one Wins, as in divorce, there is NO Winner!

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tartangladbach,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 02:45:51
would all labour activists please keep doing what your doing, whatever your doing? it is working well! your old fashioned negative politics & mudslinging is not fooling the public in this multi media age. well done to the snp! another sign that the message is getting out!
in a special note, rufus well done, your brand of low thought out argument and knee jerk postings have lead to nationilist posters being able to out argue your nonsense posts and put a balanced and creadable argument, to whatever post you attach yourself too (which is most)! so well done there fella! yer a wee darling!
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PatG,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 02:59:08
I have to laugh when I hear about labour MP's calling for the head of Brown. We dont want rid of Brown we want rid of the lot of you!!!!!!!!!. You lot have plummed new depths in sleeze. You have no regard for the electorate. Just look at the attitude of the last lot of Labour MP's that resigned over fraudulent expense claims. Not a mention of sorry! Foreign policy! immigration policy, public spending!........what a mess!Just wish we could get rid of Labour in the Glasgow council elections.........Pollok Go Ape decision.....a shower of gangsters! Believe it or not I once supported Labour! ...............Anyone but Labour
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 03:03:57
lardy foulkes will say it was a beating for the snp
wonder if that fat lump who has more wage packets than postal votes for labour
although i disagree with the BNP for its stance on things,but what was worse,them getting 2 MEPs,or the way the gov and newspapers lied to kill of a party ,which stood in a democratic election
protesters outside the hall wanting them ,not to get a MEP,so whos worse ,BNP for its views ,or those who accuse them of being nazis,whilst using nazi tactics to strangle democracy?
only way to deal with the BNP is to vote them out,without violence or intimidation
otherwise you are on the same road as those you dispise
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 03:19:26

Truth be Told!, in the last couple of years we did have our very real chance for Independence, and I know we would have Won!
Instead, Some dammed our hopes, with policy making of ludicrous stupidity's, in my view, which has infuriated the very ones, that would have put the 'Seal' of delivery in Place.

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donald,

glasgow 08/06/2009 03:43:43
Not even the Onionist Hootsmon can spin Labour out of another fine mess.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 03:44:24

Had the very real chance of being totally, 'Up-There', but blew it! a scenario that has never changed, and one wonders the Why!.





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SassyC,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 04:30:19






1: Time you started seeing the bigger picture!!!!






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Saul Tyre,

08/06/2009 06:07:31
Ewan Randall, a man of many questions but no answers (Iain Gray?).
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 06:55:40

105 Hopefully even this bog roll will realise as far as an editorial line is concerned ITS WELL PAST TIME.

If Johnston Press want to sink with the Village Idiots Party then fair enough.
Personally I would
change the editorial line whilst I still can!
Maybe someone should point out to them they will not be relegated to a lower division.They will cease to have a readership like the bunch of clowns they have been promoting New Labour.
Liars the lot.

One thing I learned a long time ago,when you fear the emergence of the truth,you are already dead,they just forgot to tell you loudly enough.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 06:57:02
107 He will have to open his eyes first!
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 07:04:34
102 Indeed Pat.Its a bit like the failed football club.Lets sack the manager,and completely ignore that fact that the first team squad are a bunch of bribbling idiots!
The best manager in the world cant save a team that only scores own goals !
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 07:08:14
113 Should be dribbling of course. That must be a Labour d of course, facing the wrong way !
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Migrant,

Melbourne 08/06/2009 07:15:51
Faced with such a poor turnout, why don't you make voting compulsory.
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Phil C,

08/06/2009 07:18:25
The only thing Brown seems to have succeeded in is creating a great feeling of Britishness for the English through the BNP!....oh and a wee bit of help for the SNP too.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 07:23:18
1 Apart from being a childish stupid observation anyway if you actually look at the results,the Liberal win was by 0.3% of the vote,so in fact the SNP are a handful of votes away from having 3 seats.

Morally they have Scotland here with a clear mandate to represent her in European matters, and the 10 point lead guarantees that statement.
Any party who would challenge the result of a democratically declared turn out are unfit for government.
The people all over the UK spoke with one voice
WE WANT LABOUR OUT NOW !
If the Labour Party do not hold an elction NOW they will be removed permanently in England.
The people of England have said as unequivocally as they possibly can,THEY DO NOT WANT YOU NOW and they will want you even less if you continue to ignore their demands that you vacate no 10.and seek a fresh mandate to govern.
Personally I hope you are as expected too pig headed to listen .
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tommy M,

Scotland 08/06/2009 07:33:19
At the end of the day we have strong, competent SNP government in Scotland working in the interest of the people of Scotland and it looks like all over the UK people have NOT voted for the labour sleaze and deceit party.

Flipper Brown really must go but Labour has no alternative candidate - what a mess they have brought upon themselves. Bet they wish they could have kept deceiving the public for a while longer.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 07:34:16
115 A sensible question of course.
There is no reason whatsoever probably, with the availability of postal voting,proxy voting, and a place on the ballot box for marking an abstention, why this cannot happen,apart from the result would still clearly be a victory for apathy/disgust probably.That just reflects how stupid we are.
Having elected a corrupt government you would think thet village idiots would remove them again! The conclusion many reached was I am too embarrassed to vote Labour so I will stay at home. You couldn't possibly vote for an alternative party of course.That is called democratic acountability and we dont want any of that, do we ?
I suspect Labour may address this one day and probably a system of PR one day also,but first you need to squeeze them dry before they do anything honourable.They are without doubt the political dross of society prepared to say anything, do anything, conclude anything, but always for self interest reasons only.

You ask a sensible question,but I think an honest answer serves best here.I my opinion you have got one.
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tommy M,

Scotland 08/06/2009 07:37:01
Any way you want to look at it, people voted SNP, not Labour.

And Wales has also spoken.

It's time for Flipper Brown to go.

It's time for us to cut the Westminster noose from our necks.

It's time.
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 07:46:12
(#97) – (Charles Linskaill) – What indications have you for your assumption of a hung parliament?
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TWC,

exLabour 08/06/2009 07:50:08
Did anybody see the meeeting with activists?

harriet Hasbeen said we won't have the usual Q & A lets just have a debate which people can join in.


We don't want any embarrassing questions do we.

I also saw Muscatelli yeterday on the politics show, yet again he didn't go near the Fiscal Autonomy question.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 07:52:33
After following events of the last wee while, I hope New Labour Sleaze find compassion and hold onto Comrade Broon as Dear Leader.

Come the general election New Labour Sleaze are going to be wiped out big time.

I've waited all my life to see that day come.

It will finally be the coming of age for Scotland when it throws of the shackles of a corrupt and rotten New Labour Sleaze party.

Its going to be a tough fight but together we can and will win it!!

Saor Alba!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 07:57:15
I see the Sleaze Party did well in Cornwall!!!!!

6th behind the Greens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How are you going to spin that Comrade Broon?????

It was good to see Tavish and his bunch of idiots got a doing as well as New Labour Sleaze!!!
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 07:59:23
It has been a shocking night for New Labour throughout GB and here in Scotland the Nationalists have done very well but this wasn't a UK or Scottish Parliament Election.

Unlike elsewhere in Britain, the 'In Branch' Tories are
a political party which is still beyond the pale for the vast majority of Scots voters! The Scots Tory Party will undoubtedly carry this unelectable albatross around its neck for many years to come?

However, even for the European Elections, the turnout in Scotland, and elsewhere, was deplorable!

What must be very worrying for Labour is the collapse in their support in Wales?

Yet, in the end, very few voters can even name their MEP?
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 08:00:51
(#124) - (Jimmy Le Pie) - If you already believe that the labour party might be wiped out big time, how do you envisage it is going to be a tough fight?
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David MacVicar,

web 08/06/2009 08:02:08
Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/07/scotland-european-election-results : SNP savours stunning success as Labour vote collapses.

"The Scottish National party tonight won won a stunning victory in the European elections after Labour's share of the popular vote slumped to its lowest ebb in modern political history......"

Labour are D E A D. They are not going to recover well from this.

The SNP won 21 out of the 31 declared council areas!!!
And a strong second in most of the rest. 'Ceartas' for the electorate will not be far behind.





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ExpatBackinScotland,

Carnoustie 08/06/2009 08:05:53
Excellent Result for us last night. Lets just hope we can keep the momentum into the soon to be called general election...lets face it Broon cant keep going on like this.

For the first time I truly believe that Scotland will rejoin the world as an equal and independent nation within my life time...the progress is there.

Lets keep going, we can do it.
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Brideun,

Culloden 08/06/2009 08:05:55
Whether we like it or not it appears that the SNP is now the dominant political party with little to stop it becoming even stronger. So shall there be a change of political and economic direction? I fear not as the SNP is really socialism with a nationalistic twist, tax and spend led by the free beer and fags 'hey jimmies'! Entrepreneurs best get out now whilst the border is still open!
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:07:59
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As long as that boot Michelle Mone leads the exodus, then carry on.

Mind you, your post seems rather confused, with no real point to it.
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Boy Wonder,

08/06/2009 08:08:17
I have 3 points to make ...
1 ...
PR doesn't work! The SNP got most of the votes, but still only have 2 seats to show for it?? Get back to the old system!!!

2...
I am appalled the BNP have seats at all! They should be ostracized fron the EU Parliament!

3...
Whoever redesigned this forum wants shot!!!
While you can resize the article ... yoy can't resize the Comments ... and to my eyesight, even with glasses ... it's a real strain. I may stop qith this site completely as my eyesight deteriorates!




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Riever,

Ayr 08/06/2009 08:08:27
Scotland have the only real alternative to vote for in the SNP.

UK wide the picture is gloomy for Labour but would it be any better without Gordon Brown?? I don't think so.

The alternative, well that is the Sleazy Tories and the older members remember the disaster they made when in government!!!

It is a shame that the other parties are ineffectual and can leave opportunities for such as the BNP, this is such a disaster.

What is sad is for Democracy leaving in some areas almost 75% of voters staying at home and not taking any part.

This is not just a comment on the parties and politicians but a feeling of despair in just about everything.
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English Voice,

08/06/2009 08:12:51
138. Feenix

great post! AS post #16 is from a unionist troll, you do however appear to be saying that Unionists are congratulating the BNP?

Odd that the BNP slogan for these elections was "British Jobs for British Workers"? One wonders where they dregdged that from? Birds of a sleazy, Union jack flag in every garden, Brit Union feather ...
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:13:29
I think it's a a worry that BNP got Manchester. After all, there is a large ethnic community there and I personally wouldn't like to see Mosside repeated again.
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 08:13:55
(#127) - (The Phoenix Arises) - "In addition we know have the repellent spectacle of SNP supporters, above, congratulaing the odious BNP. Birds of a feather!"

What is your justification for this statement?

Have you seen anything which the SNP have done which is in any way BNP like?

Has the SNP said anything which could be seen as being racist?
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Tynietiger,

08/06/2009 08:15:48
Great to see SNP win in Edinburgh and push the sneaky Lib Dems down to 4th place.

Edinburgh – 35.5% turnout
SNP = 21.4
Conservatives = 19.1
Labour = 17.8
Liberal Democrats = 17.3

Also delighted to finish ahead of Labour in Jim Murphy's back yard and to win in Alistair Darling's Edinburgh South West seat.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:18:15
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Oh I see, you are disadvantaged. I apologise, I didn't realise you are mentally affected.
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Baillie Guthrie,

Caithness 08/06/2009 08:18:19
Congratulationsto the hard working SNP team for unremitting, honest, effort in the rebirth of a nation.

They have proved time and time again that you can't fool the Scots forever, and the people vote, and votes count.

Another defining moment .

More coming up soon.

Free Scotland!

VOTE SNP
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Tynietiger,

08/06/2009 08:19:58
# 127

Many SNP supporters did stay at home as the expenses scandal has hit all parties with many saying a plague on all your houses. So Labour are deluding themselves if they believe the bad result is down to expenses.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:20:54
Taxi for Murphy.

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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:21:53
67 I think its a list of Gordon Browns achievements (but I agree its hard to tell) It could be their next manifesto of course.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 08:22:26
#128 Ewan,

It'll be a tough fight as the unionists will pull every dirty trick they know to stop Scotland claiming her rights back.

The media back the status quo (Glen Campbell for example) and their bias is stomach churning.

But, something worth winning is something worth fighting for!!!


Saor Alba!!
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

SNP HEARTLANDS OF BUCHAN 08/06/2009 08:23:49
Congratulations to Alex Salmond and the team, they have grown head and shoulders above the sleazemonger puppets from Westminceter

A RESOUNDING VICTORY FOR SCOTLAND'S NATIONAL PARTY

AND A TROUNCING FOR THE UNIONISTS

IT MUST BE TRUE THE SCOTSMAN HAS IT A S A HEADLINE!!!!

LMAO
LOL
LOL
LMAO
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Big Dave Fae The Rigs,

SCOTLAND THE UKs BNP FREE ZONE 08/06/2009 08:25:22
# 151

Just how many seats did the BNP win in Scotland?
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:26:53
All the whinging done by the Labour party over their significant defeat is really telling us that they think those that didn't vote for Labour are stupid.

Yes, that's right, the Labour party think we are all stupid and that we all need Labour in power to tell us what to do.

They are now bting the hand that feeds them by making it too obvious that they think we are stupid.
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Iain Mac,

08/06/2009 08:27:51
Sad to see so many English folk voting for nazis. As if sending home 'foreigners' will make our lives better. My grandfather fought against scum like this and see pictures of the Bnp founders and leaders wearing nazi uniforms and 'white power' t-shirts is stomach churning.

Perhaps the media should turn the spotlight on them. Shame to on Labour for encouraging the nazis - the bnp used Brown's "British jobs for British workers" slogan on their leaflet.

JUst heard today that fishing leaders in Mallaig are protesting at the decision to send home some Philipino fishing workers. These guys come here and work hard - 'Brits' don't want to do these jobs. Simple as that.

The sooner Scotland leaves 'Great' bigoted Britain the better.
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 08:28:38
Another huge victory for apathy, gaining 70% of the electorate.
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Iain Mac,

08/06/2009 08:29:07
If you doubt the Nazi beliefs of the bnp - do a few quick googles on John Tyndall and Nick Griffin. Scum.
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 08:29:28
151 Phony

Quite ironic that you should refer to the bile posted by supposed SNP supporters. Even the most dim-witted would realise that 16 is an obvious fakie.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:29:32
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Prove it.
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Iain Mac,

08/06/2009 08:30:40
#156 - It's Labour that are raiding homes for asylums seekers and sending their kids to prison before deporting them. Brown has given the brit-nats the biggest boost ever. Funny - Labour, Tory, Ukip and Bnp - all fighting under the union jack for 'great' Britain. Sickening.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:31:00
The Tin Manm

Interesting you say that, do you think there should be an Australian style of democracy? Serious question, just interested to know what people think.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:32:02
Iain Mac

Aye, it's not called the Butchers Apron fur nothing! It's enough tae make ye boak!
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Jerry Springer,

08/06/2009 08:32:10
Congratulations to the Nats on what must be the hollowest victory of all time.

All that effort and the still only have 2 seats.

Some victory that.

They could not even beat a Labour party which is in such a perilous state.

SNP always the bridesmaid never the bride.
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Brideun,

Culloden 08/06/2009 08:32:34
#156 - Dave Go back over the comments on this site , says it all.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:32:57
156 You are an idiot!
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:34:04
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Yawn.

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Yawn. Try again. If you make allegations, try substantiate them.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 08:34:59
The most profound thing about last night magnificent result for Alex Salmond and his superb team, is not thousands of new voters, converted sceptics like Rufus, Paddy O'Poison, and commentators like Glen Campbell (who I believe has actually joined the SNP this morning!) but the headline in this scurrilous rag!!!

Labour trounced by SNP in Euro election !!!!!!!!!!!!
Labour trounced by SNP in Euro election !!!!!!!!!!!!
Labour trounced by SNP in Euro election !!!!!!!!!!!!


You never know they might even persuade me to start buying the paper again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 08:36:35
I see Salmond is hailing a mighty victory. The SNP have 29% of the votes in the Euro elections, compared to 33% of the votes in the 2007 scot parliament election. What happened?
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:37:34
166 I said it before If you want to compound your defeat with a declaration of gross stupidity carry on!

I have often wondered what the minimum number of brain cells required to sustain human life is.
Now if you could only post a picture of yourself we would know how to recognise it!
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:38:34
Theres a serious misunderstanding of yesterdays BNP vote by Andy "eyelashes" Burnham. He sees it as: "The BNP is like the ultimate protest vote. It is how to deliver the establishment a two-fingered salute. I think largely it is a comment on Westminster politics."

Wrong wrong wrong. The BNP has been tapping into a well of working-class alienation in Labours northern English sink-hole estates. Until they understand and address the problems of these areas - and they've had 12 years in which they've failed to do so... then unfortunately the BNP will prosper.

If they'd spent less of the last decade cosying up to bankers and more time addressing social fracture and poverty, then last nights BNP win would never have happened.
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 08:38:59
#163 Dave

I think that if 'none of the above' is not included on ballot papers, the non-vote of 72% of the electorate has to be taken seriously.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:39:35
The tin Man

You already explained that, voter apathy. The same thing that happened to lie-bore (the party that thinks the electorate are stupid).
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:40:56
175 The Tin Man,

Aye, but what would it mean if it was taken seriously? We have a duty to vote, I do not understand people that can't be bothered.
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A Crofter,

Western Arce 08/06/2009 08:42:07
This was always a two-donkey race in Scotland. If the SNP can make so little headway against such a lame ass, it's surely time for FatMan to hang up his yellow balloon.

Shame on the Scottish electorate for sticking with the Trumplicking agenda.
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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 08:43:14
(#151) – (The Phoenix Arises) – Can you give me a specific link in support of your beliefs?

“The BNP is not only about immigration as you well know. They are haters like many of the SNP supporters who post here”

Is it not the case that you would have to hate a system of administration to want and change it?

Isn’t this exactly what happens at General Elections?
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 08/06/2009 08:44:45
Is it permissable to give the SNP a pat on the back after last night's results?

I know this type of thing is deeply upsetting for both the Labour Party and the Hootsman but it does seem justified given the humiliation they inflicted on Labour in these elections.

WELL DONE THE SNP>>>now emulate it when the next election is held
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M78,

Tain 08/06/2009 08:47:33
### 122 rules whatever. Go and study the formula which decdes the number of seats and I think you will realise the idiocy of your post.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:47:35
178 Presumably you did not vote SNP then.

That I would suggest is the reason why the SNP does not advance more than it has.
It has to contend with people like you!
You can hardly justify your own argument when you are the reason it happened What a clown !
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 08:47:36
#179 Ewan,

Do I detect an SNP convert???

Congratulations!

Go to http://www.snp.org/ to join.
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Rosscobhoy,

08/06/2009 08:47:42
Whilst any increase in the vote is a great thing, i think this result is a disappointment given that they still only have the same number of seats as Labour. Especially when the Labour party have arguably never been in a poorer position than they are now. I can't help but think this was the result of a stay away protest from Labour voters. I really hope the SNP and the voters do not get complacent as a result.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:51:24
187 danielrober

Would you be happy with compulsory voting? There is an argument that introducing such a measure is a loss of democracy itself.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:51:34
180 Interesting ? Yes

Likely to make any difference irrespective of what it is No (or cant you do arithmetic)

The Western Isles is one of the SNPs strongest areas so I doubt that it will vote for the Village Idiot Party any more than the rest of Scotland did.
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08/06/2009 08:52:01
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Linda,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 08:53:44
On Racism, the biggest bigots I know are those unionists who are anti black and even anti English.
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A Crofter,

Western Arce 08/06/2009 08:54:56
#184 - Correct. Is it now compulsory to vote Nazi?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 08:55:00
The other newspaper headlines,

The Guardian - Labour suffers long, dark night of humiliation.
The Telegraph - Brown on the edge as BNP humiliates Labour.
The Times - Labour routed at polls as BNP breakthrough.
The Independent - Gordon Brown's political survival hung in the balance today as Labour suffered a devastating rout.
The Mail - Labour's poll humiliation: Brown beaten into third place by UKIP as BNP wins first seats in Euro elections.


Seems to be a consensus that New Labour Sleaze were routed and humiliated!!!!!!


Bring on the election!
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:55:58
Linda

And anti histamines....
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08/06/2009 08:56:36
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 08:56:43
With the total SNP vote of 318,360 (with the Western Isles still to declare), this represents an increase of a remarkable 38% upon the previous European election result, despite a lower overall turnout.

The total Labour vote declined by some 26% over the same period, meaning that for only the second time in over 50 years, Labour have lost the popular vote in a national election in Scotland.

The real story of this election is the SNP stunning victory by over 90,000 votes, (assuming a majority in the Western Isles of over 400).

I await the publication of the full detailed results on a constituency basis with some interest.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 08:58:08
196 dunedin bully wee 1877

Sorry, we're on Island Time here so it may take a wee while till the results are announced.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 08:58:24
Just heard some New Labour Sleaze idiot MP saying things will be different in a general election.

Which party doesn't want an election?????

Oh yes New Labour Sleaze!!
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 09:00:38
And the headline from New Labour Sleaze's top paper, The Daily Mirror,

"Gordon Brown suffers humbling defeat in European elections"
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 09:01:49
And the Express,

"NOW BROWN IS MAULED IN EU POLLS"
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Geoff,

sa 08/06/2009 09:02:38
Bloody freezing here in durbs today-about 15 deg!!!
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:03:31
188 Whilst I acknowledge your thinking Dave if you include a box on the paper "None of the above" then a compulsory vote can then claim to be a perfectly legitimate process.The biggest difference it would have made here is that all the people who are too embarrassed to vote Labour could say unequivocally that we don't have any faith in any party! That would give the SNP result even more legitimacy than it claims currently.The problem with the Labour claims of a low turnout is Labour are taking their seats so the SNP must assume that they have even more legitimacy since they have more votes.
No matter how Labour try to spin this its only the idiots who are still listening to them ,and even fewer who are still voting for them.
The bottom line is Labour were gubbed and rightly so,but if it had been a compulsory vote we have to presume that they would still have been gubbed.
The point is they have been gubbed and I really need a bit longer to celebrate this,as I'm sure do you also.


Saor Alba Alba Gu Brath .
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:03:53
Geoff

Thanks for the update. There was snow in the Highlands couple days ago and a mate has told me he had ground frost last night.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 09:04:17
197 Dave From Barra,

Yes indeed, however my sources in South Uist tell me that the SNP will not be disappointed when the result is declared.

Brendan is already breaking out the Toblerones in celebration.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:05:24
202 morris,

Fair craic my friend! I understand your implications and your argument is solid.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:06:22
204 dunedin bully wee 1877

We had a whip round and bought him a family size Toblerone since he's down to his last few grands in the bank!
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 09:08:57
Looks like the real winners are the candidates from outwith the four main party's, who got 12% of the vote.
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Mike S,

08/06/2009 09:09:08
The heavy manufacturing industries of the past, that were traditional labour areas a generation ago, were taken for granted when NEW labour emerged to appeal to middle England. Having lost heavy industry for good and seeing the decline of the car manufacturing/engineering in recent times the traditional labour voter is no more. Middle England doesn't trust new labour either. New labour was Thatcherite in it's economic policies trying to pull their voters to the right thus leaving a vacuum to be filled in by extremist political parties. When will they ever learn? Are they so stuck in their moated ivory towers to know what ordinary people are thinking and feeling?
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Geoff,

sa 08/06/2009 09:09:42
180 The phoenix Arises-with regard to Angus McNeil MP, if one has to be honest -is there any heterosexual man anywhere-Nationalist,Unionist or Eskimo, who would say no to a romp under the duvet with those two beautiful young women??
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Linda,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:10:26
Labour's latest excuse is that there was an anti government vote throughout Europe. On that basis the SNP success is even more sensational.
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Geoff,

sa 08/06/2009 09:11:26
203 Dave from Barra-morning David! Lets hope both our weathers improve!
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Andy Ritchie's left boot,

08/06/2009 09:14:40
Jerry 166: Which part of "trounced" don't you understand.

Had Scotland had the number of seats which reflected its population size (i.e. as a antion and not as a region) you would have seen the vote swing reflected in an increase in the number of seats held by the SNP. Only because we have a paltry 6 seats is the swing insufficient to change the seat numbers.
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 09:14:59
A devastating result for Labour, a bad result for the SNP, and Lib Dems, no change for the Conservatives, good result for the others.
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 09:16:29

#211 Linda,


I think a more truthful conclusion is that it shows how small a part Holyrood plays when it comes to people deciding how to vote in European elections.

One thing that everyone is agreed on is whatever this election was about it certainly wasn't about Europe.

That's bad for democracy.
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AJ Fife,

08/06/2009 09:16:39
Another election and another historic result for the SNP. The real winners are, of course, the Scottish public.

Well done to Mr Salmond and the team!
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:17:48
215 danielrober

I agree. It would reduce conflict, especially from those that whinge about what ever party is voted in to govern but then do not vote (and do not contrribute to the democractic system) themselves.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:17:56
#214 "a bad result for the SNP"

Do you actually have a straight face while you're saying that?
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 09:18:46


I ask again.

Does anyone know what the percentage turnout was and how this compares to the last European election?

You can't draw any useful conclusions without that information.


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Ewan Randall,

08/06/2009 09:19:40
(#210) - (Geoff) - Might I be right in thinking their fathers?
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 09:20:02
Trounced.

I like that word.

What does it mean Woofie?
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 09:21:14
#220 Rev

The Lib Dems and SNP vote is down by 4% from 2007.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 09:21:30
Western Isles : SNP take 43%

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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:21:38
205 Thank You and I mean no disrespect of course.I also think that where a compulsory vote was in place and last nights result was repeated,that would in effect be arguably tantamount to a referendum, (but we lost of course), but of course a referendum is only relevant to the day it was held on,and how soon another should be held is very much open to debate,dependant upon results presumably.

I doubt however,that the Unionists are democratic enough to ever afford Scotland the possibility to declare her wishes so we have to force it upon them I suppose.

Thats one reason why we will never have compulsory voting in the UK. It removes the cop out of the result is void because of low turn out. (its perfectly good enough to re elect Labour but not good enough to reach any other conclusion, which really just shows what a piece of political dross are the Labour Party)

There is only one answer it would appear.

Follow the Fiery Cross !
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:22:10
The Tin man

There was a Euro Election in 2007? Damn it, I missed that!
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 09:22:37
Labour's worst pecentage of the vote since the first World War.

The message is sinking in at last.

Biggest win margin ever. SNP glory.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:22:39
#224 Desperate, desperate straw-clutching. The SNP *share* of the vote is up by getting on for 50%. FIFTY.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:23:12
Western Isles result

SNP 43%; Labour 18%, Christian Party 9%, Tory 8% Lib dems ?

The Tin Man above is clutching at straws re % vote.
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:25:01
All

Brendan says "The Toblerones are on me!"

We've nicknamed him the "Toblerone Bar Kid"!
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 09:28:20
#229

:-)

The SNP got a 2% swing in their favour, compared to the 1999 EU elections, and the 'Natural Law' party has suffered a wipe-out.
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AJ Fife,

08/06/2009 09:28:29
43% in the Western isles is a spectacular result and the icing on the cake for the SNP!

Another well done to Mr Salmond and the team. The country has responded to statesman-like leadership and policies which are pro-Scotland - all the little details the unionist mob don't possess!
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Andy Ritchie's left boot,

08/06/2009 09:30:35
No matter how the unionists, and Labour in particular, try to spin it, they can't escape from the fact that a humping is a humping is a humping. I haven't felt this good since Archie Gemmill scored for Scotland against the Netherlands in 1978...
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 09:31:20
watch labour wheel out some weel kent faces,and state "oh labour voters did not come out and vote"
"big boys took our baw away and ran off"
anything but ,"the scottish electorate kicked us hard in the rear ,for all our greedy MPs"
wonder what sound flabby foulkes made when reading results over breakfast this morning
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 08/06/2009 09:31:29
Braking news.......imminent wave of terror attacks on the UK . Only labour will stand up to them . The Tories are soft on terror . We must rerun these elections .
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 09:31:36
#230

SNP Western Isles result 4% down on 2007 election... Looks like the 4% drop is pretty consistent.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:32:36
#238 Keep clutching, you buffoon.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:33:23
#234 Is 43% in the Isles enough to take the SNP's share of Scotland as a whole through 30%?
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:34:01
238 Tin man

Was that a Euro election in 2007?
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 09:34:42
Where's Rufus?

Wanted to ask him if 'trounced' is the same as 'humped'?
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Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 08/06/2009 09:35:45
242 Tartan Viking

Dunno bout that, do you trounce yer wife of an evening?? ;-)
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:35:54
Great news everyone, Labour polled under 16% in England.

Labour were booted out in Wales.

Labour came in second in Scotland.

Phoenix cars in Paisley has gone bust, poor Pete lol
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 09:36:40
The SNP vote in the Western Isles has increased from 29% in the last Euro election to 43% in this one.
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 09:36:43
#237. Braking news? Somebody stopping something:o))
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:38:13
#241 Bless poor old Tinny - he's so desperate to find some tiny little glimmer of hope he's actually comparing last night's results to an election in which UKIP had no presence. Yes, you heard that right - UKIP, now the second-biggest party in Britain after the Tories, are simply being whitewashed out of the picture by our poor little metal man in a panic-stricken attempt to minimise what even the Scotsman is being forced to describe as a triumph for the SNP.

Poor wee lamb. At least Rufus has the common sense/lack of bottle to not even come near this thread.
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 09:38:52
#243. Dave.

I wouldny dare :o/
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:39:20
Dan Hannan gave another great little speech last night. Before quoting Dr Seuss (which must be a first in a victory speech) he noted how voters had done everything they could to tell the Labour Party that they wanted them out. Voters have thrown Labour out of the mayoralty in London. They've ousted them in Scotland and from every county council. They've voted against Labour in Crewe and Nantwich, Glasgow East and, yesterday, in Wales. Yet Labour still carries on, denying the country the change of government it craves.

Labour has fallen MUCH further than the Conservatives in our darkest days. Its share of the vote was just 16% yesterday. Across huge parts of the country Labour was in fifth place yesterday. It is in huge financial debt to the trade unions. It received almost no private donations in the last quarter. Its activist base is giving up.

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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 09:40:50
#245

But without knowing the percentage turnout for the two elections the figure is pretty meaningless.

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Herry Oaksters,

08/06/2009 09:40:54
Congratulations to the SNP well done ,a brilliant result.
Labour are a now officialy a joke party.
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The Strategist,

08/06/2009 09:41:18
The Calman report can now be binned.
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:43:15


Did anyone see what happened to Pete ? lol poor guy is a busted flush.

I have to congratulate the moderators for not tolerating race hate comments on this forum.

Anyone who supports the far right (pete) has no place in Scottish politics.

Moving on from the despised one.

Last night clearly was the SNP,s and the Conservatives night. UKIP made inroads only because the Labour vote shrank to a pathetic 15.6% across the UK.
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Zedwed,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:43:16
Three fascinating things about this thread:

1) A huge number of postings.
2) A huge number of postings deleted by moderators (which makes it hard to understand references to them by later postings)
3) A huge stayathome vote.

It makes me think that politics is not dead, and that if the Labour government, still with a huge majority, hangs on and governs well, they could still recover.

Or perhaps we need a new party altogether - what about Ban The Trams as a popular votewinner?


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Edward,

08/06/2009 09:43:30
every labour numpty that gets interviewed trots out the same tired line 'its a protest against all the parties' as being the reason they got hammered
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:43:54
#245 Just FOUR parties stood in the Western Isles for the Holyrood elections.

http://www.alba.org.uk/scot07results/hr08.html

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Marian,

08/06/2009 09:44:53
t goes without saying that New Labour's robots will already be programmed to chant in the media that although their result in Scotland was "disappointing" its was nevertheless a "personal humiliation" for Alex Salmond and a "personal triumph" for Gordon Brown and Iain Gray.
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David55,

08/06/2009 09:45:04
How does the PR voting work at the euro elections?

I was looking at the results on the beeb:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/elections/euro/09/html/ukregion_999999.stm

The Tories received 4 million votes (28.6% of votes) which gave them 24 seats.

The Greens received 1.2 million votes (8.7% of the votes) and only got 2 seats.

Doesn't seem very fair.

P.S. Scottish votes are not up on the beeb site yet.
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:45:41


Labour came in 5th and 6th in pars of the Southwest of England. How bad is that ?
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Mike S,

08/06/2009 09:45:53
Since the European elections didn't go the way the government would like ashall we keep having euro- elections until we get the result we want. After all isn't that the European way?
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:46:59
246 Labour off the rails maybe?
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 09:48:13
It is very amusing,and pleasurable to read Tin Man and Rufus et al squirming and trying to rewrite the facts.
LABOUR TROUNCED!!!

No Toblerone effect in Western Islea it would seem ,and the £800 food bill has had no effect either.

Will our unionists now realise the union is in its death throse,it's over ,yout teas is out, Finito Benito.

The people of Scotland and the UK have given Labour their verdict , GO and GO now Labour!!!!

To quote Wee Wendy , The general election ,BRING IT ON!!
The SNP has the momentum, the money in the bank, the policies, and more importantly it has the people behind it.

This result will only encourage others to join the winning team.

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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 09:50:55
2004 European election turnout in the whole of Scotland was 31%. Looking at post #42 the average turnout this time (which doesn't have the Western Isles stats) was 31.02%. So basically identical.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6434451.ece
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ecosseman,

FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA 08/06/2009 09:51:39
BYE BYE LABOUR,BYE BYE.

WELL DONE TO THE SNP (AGAIN)

ROLL ON THE ELECTION!
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:52:50
Labour are to blame for the rise of the BNP
Dan Hannan gave another great little speech last night. Before quoting Dr Seuss (which must be a first in a victory speech) he noted how voters had done everything they could to tell the Labour Party that they wanted them out. Voters have thrown Labour out of the mayoralty in London. They've ousted them in Scotland and from every county council. They've voted against Labour in Crewe and Nantwich, Glasgow East and, yesterday, in Wales. Yet Labour still carries on, denying the country the change of government it craves.

Labour has fallen MUCH further than the Conservatives in our darkest days. Its share of the vote was just 16% yesterday. Across huge parts of the country Labour was in fifth place yesterday. It is in huge financial debt to the trade unions. It received almost no private donations in the last quarter. Its activist base is giving up.

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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:53:02
But one thing should shock Labour more than anything else - yesterday's two BNP victories. I don't say this lightly but I blame Labour for the rise of the BNP. I blame Brown for creating Nick Griffin. I blame Labour for introducing the electoral system that has given the BNP this opportunity but much more I blame Labour for its failure to control Britain's borders... for promising a referendum on Lisbon and reneging on that promise... for a failure to get to grips with Islamic extremism... and for a failure to tackle the social causes of poverty.

The challenge for the Conservatives - who did respectably yesterday - is to learn from Labour's huge failures. We mustn't over-promise but we must restore order to our borders, give a sense that Britain is in charge of its destiny and pursue a compassionate agenda that will give financial and structural security to the Labour heartlands - heartlands that the Brown-Blair years have so comprehensively failed.

Tim Montgomerie

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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 09:53:56
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Its bad of course ,but it may yet prove to be terminal.
Not because I think the Tories have the UK sown up so much, as Scotland will no longer be a part of this discredited union, and two things will result from this.

(1) Labour will never again form a government at Westminster.

(2)Conservative will never again rule Scotland.

Winners all round I would say !

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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:56:32
In the East of England, the Labour Party has essentially become an irrelevance on a local government level. Across each of the seven local authorities polled in the region on Thursday, the Labour Party secured only 19 (or 3.9%) of the 481 seats on offer. Labour now holds only 1 seat on Essex County Council, 2 in Cambridgeshire, 3 in Hertfordshire, Norfolk and Suffolk and 7 in Bedford, a parliamentary seat they easily won at the 2005 general election.

Based on these results, Labour faces across-the-board meltdown across this crucial region; from coastal seats such as Great Yarmouth and Waveney to the New Towns of Basildon, Stevenage and Harlow which delivered Labour 10,000+ majorities at the ’97 election.

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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:57:11
In Kent, where Labour narrowly clung onto the parliamentary seats of Chatham and Aylesford, Dartford, Dover, Gillingham, Medway, Sittingbourne and Sheppey and South Thanet at the 2005 general election, the party’s representation in County Hall has dropped from 20 to 2 seats. Labour even faced defeat in previously rock-solid wards like Sheerness and Swanscombe and Greenhithe which stayed loyal to Labour throughout the dark days of the late 1970s - their vote dropping by in excess of 20%.


Across the rest of the country, Labour won a single seat in Hampshire and Surrey and four in Gloucestershire, Devon, East Sussex, Leicestershire and Lincolnshire. Labour failed to elect a single county councillor in Buckinghamshire, Cornwall or Dorset – all areas where they held parliamentary seats as recently as the 2001 general election.

In some ways, the party’s decline in Labour’s former heartlands in the Midlands and North of England is even starker.

The party has been reduced from 43 to 16 seats in Lancashire, 31 to 3 in Staffordshire, 35 to 13 in Nottinghamshire and 37 to 21 in Derbyshire
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:58:13
In Lancashire – a county which had been under absolute Labour control since 1981 and where the Conservatives lost several seats in 1992 whilst still winning the general election – the party now faces defeat in Rossendale and Darwen, South Ribble, Chorley, the two Blackpool constituencies, Morecambe and Lunesdale, Lancaster and Pendle.

In Worcestershire, the party was reduced from 15 seats to 3 with the Conservatives sweeping all seven wards in Jacqui Smith’s Redditch constituency.

When being on the receiving end of terrible local government election results, all political parties – our own included – have always had a tendency to dismiss the results as irrelevant and unrepresentative of the mood of the country at large.

This result, however, can be seen as nothing less than a complete and utter rejection of the Labour Party in the very areas which gave Tony Blair his election victories at the 1997, 2001 and 2005 general elections.

Bring on the general election!

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Alathea,

08/06/2009 09:58:16
Another great result for Salmond and his team. Well done to everyone who contributed.

What we need now is for Brown to limp on for another few months destroying his and Labours reputations for a generation. Only then can those constituencies who have continually returned Labour representation begin to heal themselves and rejoin the ranks of the enlightened.
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:59:06
Scotland.

The SNP is on track to win the largest share of the European election vote in Scotland for the first time.
The Party took 29% of the vote - a 10% increase - ahead of Labour's 20.8%. The Tories were third on 16.9% and the Lib Dems came fourth, on 11.5%.
The result means the SNP and Labour are set to return two MEPs each, with one each for the Tories and Lib Dems, with the Western Isles yet to declare.
SNP leader Alex Salmond hailed the result as "historic".
Labour was bracing itself for a bad result across the UK, as pressure continues on Gordon Brown's leadership.

Notable results in Scotland saw the SNP taking first place in Edinburgh with the Tories second, Labour third and the Lib Dems fourth.

Mr Salmond said the SNP had won in 21 of the 31 declared local authority areas
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 09:59:22
He said: "This is a historic result for the SNP - up 10 points from the last European election - and the first time we have ever won a UK-wide election in Scotland, with a much greater margin of victory than even the Holyrood win two years ago.

"In the contest between two governments - the SNP in Scotland, and Labour at Westminster - the people of Scotland have delivered a massive vote of confidence in the SNP Government, and a massive rejection of Labour."

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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:01:07
Edinburgh:

SNP 24,417
Con 21,823
Lab 20,330
LD 19,799
Grn 15,589
UKIP 4,104
Oth 4,000
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:01:31
Labour get drubbed in Alistair Darling's Edinburgh SE seat - SNP win 5194 votes, Tories second on 5124, Lab 3rd on 4143..."
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:01:54
Angus:

SNP 10403

Con 5977

Lab 2256

and it is still light!"
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:02:15
"Falkirk SNP 9889 Lab 6596 Con 3136 Grn 1707 LD 1701"
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 10:02:42
Over 90,000 SNP majority of voters.

Now that is a result!

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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:02:44
North & Leith European Election result

SNP 4965
Lab 4324
Lib 4201
Cons4199
Green 4014
UKIP 753
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:03:19
South Lanarkshire Euro Result

SNP (17730)
LAB (16040)
CON (7835)
LD (4510)
GRE (3743)
UKIP (3029)
BNP (1748)
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:03:42
SNP take Dundee with hefty 40%; West Dunbartonshire 32%, W Lothian 34%; Perth & K 34%.
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:05:12


Well done to the SNP in Scotland, see you in Westminster for the crucial vote for dissolving parliament this week.
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kpm,

unsworth 08/06/2009 10:06:06
WE must not lose sight of the fact that the thieving and disreputable behaviour of MPs and Ministers has allowed the BNP to gain a foothold ,no doubt they will now attempt to put the blame on a complacent public.
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Publius,

London 08/06/2009 10:06:12
Very good result for SNP ... but still not enough to win an overall majority at Holyrood or a 'yes' vote in a referendum.

Quite a good result for the Tories across the UK, mainly because of the fragmentation of the Labour vote. Tories now on course for clear majority at Westminster next year. SNP administration at Holyrood had better get used to the idea of a Tory government in London and work out to respond to it.

Labour b.gg.e.r.d for another few years. LidDems staring irrelevance in the face.
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The Conservative voter,

08/06/2009 10:06:50


Bitter bitter Pete where are you a conservative is in town
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull (The Land of Green Ginger!) 08/06/2009 10:07:47
PR was designed to stop the SNP getting a landslide result even when they win a landslide vote like Thursday's MEP vote.

AS far as Unionists are concerned PR works just fine (unlike Labour). Watch the Labour rats in Scotland leaving the sinking (stinking) ship as Mr Murphy and Grey are seen as complete incompetents who are likely to lose their own seats on these results. I scoff and welcome a new dawn.
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Stephen Maturin,

, HMS Surprise at sea , 08/06/2009 10:13:26
#136 Boy Wonder, if you hold down the ctrl button an turn the scroll whell on your mouse, the page size will increase or decrease depending on direction of turn. Hope you can read this to get the instructions.
Cheers,
Billiam
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The Scotchman,

08/06/2009 10:16:05
Congratulations to SNP
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 10:16:37
136

CTRL + also works (well it does with firefox)
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08/06/2009 10:16:42
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hoblar,

08/06/2009 10:18:02
In England, the tories barely raised their votes from the last Euros and yet they are all over the news for thrashing Labour.

If the tories have thrashed labour by such a small increase in their English vote, then the SNP have given labour a right doing in Scotland, a place where the tories proved to be a nowhere party.

It is also magic that the Scottish electorate told the bnp to get lost.
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Yeti,

08/06/2009 10:19:06
Peter Kellner, the pollster, tells the BBC that Labour got the lowest share of the vote in a national poll since 1910. Or, to put it another way, it's the worst result for 99 years.
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Mike S,

08/06/2009 10:19:54
#286 I agree with you the Scottish parliament,Welsh assembly and Stormont were set up to have PR as a fair representation of the electorates views, but it is not right for Westminster most argue. William Haig has condemned PR yet the Tories talk about reforming parliament and representing peoples views. If extremist parties obtain seats then it is not PR that is to blame it is the politicians who have created a society whereby a large minority of the electorate feel they should vote for the extreme minority parties
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull (The Land o' Green Ginger!) 08/06/2009 10:19:54
I am alone in thinking it is weird that the South east region, no not London with nine MEPs, further south and more east has Ten MEPs and the whole nation of Scotland is represented by only six MEPs? Does anyone need a reason for a low turnout?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:22:01
#213

"Had Scotland had the number of seats which reflected its population size (i.e. as a antion and not as a region) you would have seen the vote swing reflected in an increase in the number of seats held by the SNP. Only because we have a paltry 6 seats is the swing insufficient to change the seat numbers."

What are you talking about? Scotland had the right amount of seats for the size of its electorate.

Both Scotland and Yorkshire have an electorate of about 3.8m and they both have 6 seats.

Infact all the regions of the UK have roughly the same percentage of seats per population size (between about 1.5 seats per million and 1.6 seats per million) - only Wales has slightly higher (1.78 seats per million).
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:24:46
#294

"am alone in thinking it is weird that the South east region, no not London with nine MEPs, further south and more east has Ten MEPs and the whole nation of Scotland is represented by only six MEPs?"

Its done by the size of the electorate - the South East has an electorate of 6.2m - Scotland has an electorate of only 3.8m - hence why the South East gets more seats.

If you work it out at seats per million its basically the same - 1.58 per million for Scotland and 1.61 per million for the South East.
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peter1958,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 10:26:55
Well, it seems Martin and Stihler get to keep their seats in Europe after all! From the bluster and bull continuously perpetrated by the SNP I was expecting the SNP to take 3 if not 4 seats.

Frankly, with Labour riding the depths of its unpopularity across the UK, with Gordon Brown under constant siege and the Government in Westminster reaping the whirlwind of the public's anger about MPs expenses, the results in Scotland for Labour COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY BETTER!

What turned my stomache though was watching the FM's personal handmaiden on the telly extolling the view that the euro results were some form of endorsement of the SNP's non-management of Scottish affairs domestically. Was she drunk?

Take the protest vote by all means, but to pretend that this was an endorsement of the SNP or its aims in government is a claim too far.

Are there any SNP punters out there who might like to take a small wager on the next general election? According to La Sturgeon this should translate to the SNP sweeping Labour aside at the next election to the extent that the Labour and SNP vote has "flipped". That would translate to only 7 Labour seats for Scotland.

Any takers?
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 10:27:58
#294. Jimmy Fae the West.

I didn't know that! Anybody care to explain? Seems like more snouts in the trough to me.
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 10:28:45

It Was The Torygraph Wot Won It.



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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:29:30
#291

"It is also magic that the Scottish electorate told the bnp to get lost."

Yes nowhere near the amount of people in Scotland voted BNP as in Yorkshire or the North-west but we shouldn't get complacent - they still got 2.6% in Scotland - thats still a fairly large amount of people in Scotland voting for a racist party.
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Baillie Guthrie,

Caithness 08/06/2009 10:30:14
Yes Publius, the Tories are strapping on their metaphorical riding boots already - expect an immediate moves to relegalise foxhunting and various overt and secret moves to "put the Jocks back in their place"

There is no way that Etonian St George will allow a strategic & financial asset like Scotland out of it's clutches.

Independence, freedom, liberty - call it what you will. It's never easy to get out from under the (Union) Jackboot.

But this time the "Jocks" are going to show Les Anglais a clean pair of heels!

It's coming!

It's time!

FREE SCOTLAND
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:30:16
#298

"I didn't know that! Anybody care to explain? Seems like more snouts in the trough to me."

See my post at #296 that explains it.
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Willie Mor,

08/06/2009 10:33:43
What do you call a government that will not call a general Election despite having lost control of every council in England, over 50% of the councils in Scotland, the Scottish parliament and now the European Election to the extent that they trail with 16% of the vote.

What do you call a government rotten with corruption at every level but with the Police and the prosecution services being reluctant to prosecute.

Fascist is what you call this type of government, but now in England New Labour have competition in the BNP.

Go for it Gordon our supreme leader. Deny the people a general election. Do not concede an inch. Maintain your position as the unelected leader. Appoint your war cabinet from unelected business chums made peers.

Keep going Gordon because when democracy is as dead as it is you will ultimately be hung from a lampost.



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MoiraMac,

08/06/2009 10:33:51
136 BoyWonder
Re increasing Font Size
If you are using Firefox (excellent browser) you just press ctrl & + to increase and ctrl + - to reduce
http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Text+Zoom#How_to_use_Text_Zoom

To download Firefox go here:
http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/firefox/

Internet Explorer 7 does the same just press Ctrl & +
Good Luck
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull (The Land of Green Ginger!) 08/06/2009 10:34:23
Yeah 1

Since London (and the South East) has a transient population made up of second homers who have to register there, are you certain of your facts? I was surprised by Chancellor Darling's expenses story where he said he was ordered, and then commanded to re-register his second home in London as his first as a requisite to taking up his post. Is he really alone in needing to do this? It seems that your facts may be a little skewed and need revisited! Added to the facts that Scotland has until recently had a rapidly declining population (thanks to economic migrants like myself) one could see a situation where Scotland was not represented in Europe at all?
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 10:38:13
#291 hoblar


'It is also magic that the Scottish electorate told the bnp to get lost.'


The SNP provides the safety valve/protest vote role for disaffected voters in Scotland that the BNP do in England.


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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:41:29
#306

"Since London (and the South East) has a transient population made up of second homers who have to register there, are you certain of your facts?"

Yes I am certain of my facts. Firstly the South East region doesn't include London, secondly the official electorate for the South East is 6,231,875 and for Scotland is 3,809,111 - look it up if you need to.

"It seems that your facts may be a little skewed and need revisited!"

No they are not skewed - I think you need to apologise.
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Flabskin,

08/06/2009 10:41:39
"The SNP had 2 seats before this election, they will have 2 seats after this election... Labour had 2 seats before this election and they will still have 2 after it... The SNP, always the bridesmaid and never the bride..."

Agreed. But you're missing the point. Thanks to the 'Union Dividend', Scotland enjoys an exceptionally high level of influence in the EU, compared with a country of similar population like er... Finland, which only has, er... 13 seats in the European Parliament.

Yep. You've got to love that good old 'Union dividend'...
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 10:42:48
The SNP would, have course, have had 3 seats had Scotland's representation not been cut from 7 to 6 this year.
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IainGlasgow,

08/06/2009 10:43:29
#295

How then do you explain that, despite a population over half a million smaller that Scotland, the Republic of Ireland has 12 (twice as many) MEPs?
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 08/06/2009 10:43:58
#309 "The SNP provides the safety valve/protest vote role for disaffected voters"

ROFL! You did notice that the SNP are the government in Scotland, didn't you?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:44:12
#310

"Can you explain"

Yes - all the others you listed are separate countries. In this European Election Scotland is a REGION of the UK.

It therefore gets roughly the same number of seats per electorate as the rest of the UK regions, as I have already explained.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull (The Land of Green Ginger!) 08/06/2009 10:45:38
Thanks Berero, you are a star. It does still require an answer! Under his claims Scotland would end up being represented by English voters! Six MEPs for Scotland does not inspire electors to turn out. So, and extra well done to the SNP.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:46:00
#308

"Rubbish"

What exactly is 'rubbish' about my facts. Are you suggesting the electorate sizes are incorrect, or the number of seats per million are incorrect?
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 10:46:19
LABOUR! YER TEAS OOT,PUT OUT THE LIGHT AND SHUT THE DOOR BEHIND YOU
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Linda,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 10:47:15
Yeah 1

If Scotland was independent it would have 13 MEP seats not 6.

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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:48:41
#319

"Thanks Berero, you are a star. It does still require an answer! Under his claims Scotland would end up being represented by English voters! Six MEPs for Scotland does not inspire electors to turn out."

What are you talking about? In the Euro elections Scotland is a REGION of the uk, it is not a separate country like Ireland. It therefore gets the same number of seats per electorate size as the rest of the UK regions.

Why should Scotland get more seats than other regions of the UK - it has the same-sized electorate as Yorkshire and it they both get 6 seats - what is unfair about that?
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IainGlasgow,

08/06/2009 10:48:44
#316

Also how come the SNP, as a governing party in the middle of their term, are not also on the receiving end of a protest vote because of all the broken promises the village idiot keeps wittering on about every week at First Ministers questions?

Maybe they are actually doing a good job of running Scotland and voters can see that.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 10:49:20
#315 jiggery pokery from brown/blair/foulkes and all the others
or just the euro parli taking the urine on browns behalf
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 10:49:35
322 Linda,


Surely if Scotland was 'independent' it wouldn't be a member of the EU????


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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:50:03
#322

"If Scotland was independent it would have 13 MEP seats not 6."

Well its not currently so your point is irrelevant.

If Yorkshire was independent it would also get 13 MEPs since it has the same-sized electorate as Scotland.
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The Strategist,

08/06/2009 10:50:18
In a move that makes the UK look as bad as N Korea, Jane Kennedy the environment minister has been sacked because she refused to pledge her support for Gordon Brown...
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:53:09
#329

"Yes i am and i stand by my rubbish comment, the UK system is unfair to Scotland and Wales, yes its Rubbish."

How is it unfair to Scotland and Wales? Scotland gets the same amount of seats per million of its electorate as every other REGION of the UK.

Yorkshire has the same electorate size as Scotland and gets the same number of MEPs - is the system unfair to Yorkshire too?

Wales infact gets more seats per million (1.78) than the other regions.
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hoblar,

08/06/2009 10:53:41
'Just a wee observation... The SNP vote in Scotland was higher than the Tory vote in the UK... that is right, lads and lassies, the SNP took the highest percentage voter support of ANY party in this election.'

The SNP took the highest percentage of votes, higher than the tories, but also the SWING for the SNP WAS FAR FAR HIGHER than the token, minor swing in England that the media are so excited about.
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Stan Butler,

08/06/2009 10:54:01
#326 IainGlasgow


'ow come the SNP, as a governing party in the middle of their term, are not also on the receiving end of a protest vote'


Because Holyrood is less relevant to people's political consciousness than Westminster.

Just as local councils are less relevant than Holyrood.

And you may not have noticed but the entire news agenda for the last month has been dominated by one story.

As I said before

It Was The Torygraph Wot Won It.


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MoiraMac,

08/06/2009 10:55:35
#290 Publius

'Clever' Labourites, Guardianistas, the BBC etc have either ignored white working class discontent or dismissed it as racism.

I think I agree with this!


#291 hoblar

It is also magic that the Scottish electorate told the bnp to get lost.

There isn't really the same problem in Scotland as there is in some parts of England and keep in mind that 70% of the population didn't vote.

I expect I will be branded Racist again today.

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hoblar,

08/06/2009 10:55:36
Listen to the numpty telling us all Scotland is a region that is comparable to Wales.

The SNP took the highest percentage of votes, higher than the tories, but also the SWING for the SNP WAS FAR FAR HIGHER than the token, minor swing in the 'region' of England that the media are so excited about.

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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 10:56:10
#337

"Your so irritating, read my other post you parasite"

Please refrain from personal insults. Just because you lose an argument doesn't mean you need to resort to pathetic name-calling.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 11:01:06
it seems mr devine has convinced local party members ,that hes innocent of bogus electrical work,carried out by the firm,who cant be found,presumed either dead or up north or could be both
he says hes glad to clear his name and awaits labours star chamber verdict
wonder if this is a distraction from labours humping at the polls
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8088301.stm
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:02:04
#339

"Listen to the numpty telling us all Scotland is a region that is comparable to Wales."

Er you clearly don't understand how the European Elections work.

In the European Elections Scotland is a REGION of the UK, just like Wales, Yorkshire and the South East. It therefore gets the same number of seats for its electorate size as the rest of the UK regions.
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 11:03:32
Quite a number of unionists (labour mainly) who don't understand the d'Hondt system.
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European Scot,

08/06/2009 11:03:56
317 Yeah1

"In this European Election Scotland is a REGION of the UK.

It therefore gets roughly the same number of seats per electorate as the rest of the UK regions, as I have already explained."

Two more examples of why Scotland needs to be an Independent country.
As you correctly state it is treated as a Region, but not only in Europe, also in the UK.
As an independent country the number of votes Scotland would have, equate to those of Denmark or Finland, which is more than double.
Another 'benefit' of the Union, including it's current role as a silent partner. with no visible presence whatsoever.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 11:04:41
will that punk song from way back be renamed jilted gordon?
but a line in the lyrics did state what would happen years later
"Gordon is a morone,gordon is moron"
yes jilted john will looking for fresh sales to boost his giro,after living in labours dark shadow since 97
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:05:26
#343

"its always the same with you, you move the goal posts but never answer anyone else's questions."

What goal posts have I supposedly moved this time?

I stated that in the European Elections Scotland gets the same amount of seats per electorate size as the rest of the UK regions - roughly about 1.5 to 1.6 seats per million (although Wales gets slightly higher) - you said this was 'rubbish' but provided no further evidence or facts as to how I was supposedly wrong.

That is why you lost the argument...
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 11:05:52
344 He understands it alright! He makes the very valid point that as a nation it would be far better for Scotland who would have around 13 seats.

You are the one who does not understand it sunshine!

You will understand it perfectly when we leave!
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David55,

08/06/2009 11:05:57
#341 ,08/06/2009 10:58:56
For all the slavering SNP supporters who think the New Jerusalem is at hand, please calm yourselves.

This is simply a protest vote, nothing more. - Can read the minds of the electorate? Your skills must be in great demand.

Will there be another protest vote when Mr Brown finds the courage to call an election?
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Luke Skywalker,

08/06/2009 11:07:27
Disappointed as I am, I do concede that the SNP has done reasonably well in this election. However, that does not make its policies either correct or desireable.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull (The Land o' Green Ginger!) 08/06/2009 11:10:06
Thanks Yeah1 but I think the claim was not for Scot's to get more representation than other regions but a similar representation. London has Nine (9) MEPs giving it twice as many as Scotland added to that the Ten for the South easter corner and it has more than three times the representation of Scotland, add to that a further Six for the south coast and we have a picture of Scots MEPs being unable to represent the wishes of Scotland in Europe against that of four times the representational size from the Southern coast of England. Obviously, the EU has a rule to ensure that smaller nations such as Scotland have a fair representation and this has been ignored by the United Kingdom as has the Scottish electorate. Boo hiss to the unfair union then?
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 11:10:08
341 Vista

Why the unpleasant reference to SNP supporters as "slavering"? Surely any vote is a positive for the party you vote for and a protest against the parties that you do not vote for?
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IainGlasgow,

08/06/2009 11:10:19
#351

To add to your point, what about if the SNP hold a referendum next year? What about the next Holyrood election in which opinion polls sugggest the SNP will gain more seats?

At what point does a protest vote become a political paradigm shift
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 11:11:20
352 spagan

It is down to either fish or Toblerones!

Whatever one it is, that particular result is one of the most pleasing of the election.
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 11:11:33
A hypothetical question for you. (it feels like a fun day after all)

If the SNP (or maybesomebody like Margo) called for a vote of No Confidence in the Scottish government and the SNP voted against themselves (or even abstained) what do you suppose Auntie Bella and Grey Broon would do? Would they vote against?
A Holyrood election would be rather interesting right now I suspect !
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:11:41
#350

"He understands it alright! He makes the very valid point that as a nation it would be far better for Scotland who would have around 13 seats. You are the one who does not understand it sunshine!"

Yes I am not disputing the fact that Scotland would have more seats if it were an independent country - you and Berero appear to have mis-understood my points.

My point is that Scotland is not currently independent and is therefore a region of the UK in this Euro election and gets the same amount of seats as the rest of the UK regions as per its electorate size.

The UK regions are fairly divided by electorate size - I was originally responding to a poster who seemed to think they were not.
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 11:12:29
354 Luke Skywalker

The highest percentage of voters would appear to believe that the policies are correct and desirable.

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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 11:14:18
351 When Broon finds the courage to call an election? You cannot be serious !
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 11:14:47
Euro elections in 2004 compared to 2009

SNP (2004).............19.7% ....(2009) 29% - up 9.3%
Labour(2004)...........26.4%.....(2009) 21% - down 5.4%
Conservative (2004)....17.8%.....(2009) 16.9% - down 0.9%
Libdems (2004).........13.1%.....(2009) 11.5 - down 1.6%



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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:15:43
#357

"Thanks Yeah1 but I think the claim was not for Scot's to get more representation than other regions but a similar representation. London has Nine (9) MEPs giving it twice as many as Scotland added to that the Ten for the South easter corner and it has more than three times the representation of Scotland"

Jimmy you don't seem to understand - Scotland does get a similar representation as the rest of the regions.

London has an electorate of 5.25m, the South East has an electorate of 6.2m, Scotland has an electorate of 3.8m - they all get roughly the same amount of seats per million of the electorate.

Scotland doesn't get any less seats per million than any of the other regions of the UK.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 11:19:12
This is the first ever UK-wide election that the SNP have won in Scotland.

It won’t be the last one.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:20:00
#367 Berero

If Scotland were an independent country and it only got 6 MEPs then it would be unrepresented.

At the moment however Scotland is NOT an independent country and it is treated as a region of the UK for the Euro elections.

It therefore gets roughly the same amount of seats per million of the electorate as the rest of the UK regions - that is the point I am making, and which you appear to think is 'rubbish'.

Are you disputing the fact that Scotland gets the same amount of seats by electorate size as the rest of the UK regions?
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 11:20:04
#310 Spook

Out of interest, can anyone tell me why Slovenia gets 7 MEP's with a population of 2,007,711, and Luxembourg gets 6 MEPs with a population of 493,500, and France and the UK only gets 72 MEP's? Going by France, Slovenia should only have 2 or three MEPs, surely?

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Scottish and Proud,

glasgow 08/06/2009 11:20:11
MY goodness the Vichy are getting their knickers in a twist today .

LABOUR TROUNCED
GET IT??
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 11:22:43
354
Labour have had their butt fried all over the UK That makes their policies EVEN LESS CORRECT OR DESIREABLE.

You said it!
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Earman,

Paphos 08/06/2009 11:23:52
Well done to Mr Salmond and all his colleagues and activists. A very satisfying result which shows quite clearly which way the wind is blowing. Well done again, a heartfelt "thanks", and keep up the good work!
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 11:25:59
The turnout in 2004 was 30.9%
This time it's 28.6%
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:26:56
#374

"Meths, in fact Labour won 20.8% of the vote in Scotland and not 21%. Stop making out Labour did better than they actually did."

Presumably he is rounding up, if you have heard of that?
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 11:27:50
#377 Spook

I was asking about Slovenia's huge over-representation, compared to France, not about Scotland and the UK.

Any ideas?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:28:18
#378

"I haven't even read you post because your a parasite spinning and trying to put words into my mouth."

So you didn't say my point about Scotland getting the same amount of seats per electorate size as the rest of the UK was 'rubbish' then?

Did I make that up, or did you actually say it?

Utterly pathetic....
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morris,

edinburgh 08/06/2009 11:31:49
The EU has always favoured smaller nations having a larger representation than their smaller popululations would otherwise produce on a per capita basis. The one that stands out for me is Luxembourg who have the same representation as Scotland whilst being the size of EDINBURGH .
Scotland of course is misrepresented more than represented because 4 of the MEPS are subserviant to their colonial masters, but thats a seperate issue (in more ways than one)
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Fairfax,

08/06/2009 11:32:59
Tin Man (372): "Out of interest, can anyone tell me why Slovenia gets 7 MEP's with a population of 2,007,711, and Luxembourg gets 6 MEPs with a population of 493,500, and France and the UK only gets 72 MEP's?"

The European Parliament, by construction, allocates greater representation to smaller member states, to limit the domination of larger members -- after all, the original purpose of the EU was to restrain Germany. For comparison, Germany has 1.2 MEPs/million, whilst Denmark has roughly 2.5 MEPs/million. Obviously Luxembourg does very well from this.
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 11:33:35
Exprapolating EU 'logic', from the case of Luxemburg, an indy scotty would have 60 MEP's, and the rest of the UK would have 64. It all makes perfect sense.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:34:12
#381

"I was asking about Slovenia's huge over-representation, compared to France, not about Scotland and the UK."

Apparently it is worked out using the principle of degressive proportionality.

Although the size of the population of each country is taken into account, smaller states elect more MEPs than would be strictly justified by their populations alone due to this.
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Marian,

08/06/2009 11:35:16
What this stunning result for the SNP demonstrates is that all the smears and lies told by New Labour (and repeated ad nauseam by their acolytes and friends who have hijacked the media in Scotland) has had no effect whatsoever on the election outcome.

It may have pleased New Labour's tribal followers but the vast majority of Scots are completely turned off by it.

The lesson here for New Labour and their media acolytes is that voters don't want Yah-boo politics - they want Scotland to be led by capable honest politicians who will properly and honestly debate about the present state of Scotland and its constitutional future.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:35:52
#388

"Why is the BBC saying Labour won 16% of the vote when in fact they won 15.6% ?"

Its called ROUNDING UP - surely you did maths at least to standard grade didn't you? Surely you must have heard of such a concept?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:37:41
#385

"You said, your utter pathetic."

Ha ha great comeback....You lose the argument and don't know how to respond so you instead attempt childish games - wouldn't you be better suited to the Cbeebies forums?
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 11:38:39
#390 Yeah1

"Apparently it is worked out using the principle of degressive proportionality."

Any idea why?
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Number 6,

Germany 08/06/2009 11:38:41
Excellent night for the SNP.

Great to see the Welsh finally letting go of Labour's skirts, and giving them a good kicking at the ballot box.

Let's hope the Scottish Flock follows suit.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

Hull (The Land of Green Ginger!) 08/06/2009 11:38:45
Thanks again Yeah1 but as this was a European election, Scotland clearly has been short changed by belonging to that union which claims to offer Scotland better voice. I have only pointed out that Scots are getting a poorer democratic representation than all other nations in the EU. This is not conducive to either the EU, democracy or Scotland. Any suggestions to rectify this serious problem which is currently being ignored by London and the EU?
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 11:39:45
Yeah 1

I didn't round up. These were the figured before the western Isles results came through.

There's not really much more to be said. The figures (including the slightly lower turnout) show an increase in SNP support and a decrease on the rest.

I see that Labour are blaming the poor turnout in Scotland for their defeat. I really don't get that one.
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Fairfax,

08/06/2009 11:40:29
Yeaah1 (390): "Apparently it is worked out using the principle of degressive proportionality."

The Wikipedia page is useful here:

http://en.wikipedia.orgwiki/Apportionment_in_the_European_Parliament
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 11:43:26
D'Hondt system.

Sorry - it's from Wiki, but it explains it in simple terms.

"After all the votes have been tallied, successive quotients or 'averages' are calculated for each list. The formula for the quotient is V/s + 1 where:

"V" is the total number of votes that list received; and
"s" is the number of seats that party has been allocated so far (initially 0 for all parties in a list only ballot, but includes the number of seats already won where combined with a separate ballot, as happens in Wales and Scotland).

Whichever list has the highest quotient or average gets the next seat allocated, and their quotient is recalculated given their new seat total. The process is repeated until all seats have been allocated.

Clear?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:44:02
#397

""Apparently it is worked out using the principle of degressive proportionality."

Any idea why?"

I think it is to give each nation of the EU a roughly equal say in the running of the EU - it is worked out halfway between equal representation (where the vote of each sub-body, or nation in this case, is equal) and proportional representation based on population size.
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 11:46:44
Should be frac{V}{s+1}

Sorry.

Even simpler explanation:-

"The first seat is awarded to the party with the most votes. The second and subsequent seats are awarded to the party for which the following fraction is highest: Number of votes / one more than the number of seats awarded to the party so far (the D'Hondt formula) This process continues until all the seats have been filled"
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:46:50
#399

"Thanks again Yeah1 but as this was a European election, Scotland clearly has been short changed by belonging to that union which claims to offer Scotland better voice. I have only pointed out that Scots are getting a poorer democratic representation than all other nations in the EU."

Yes its true, if Scotland were independent it would get more seats.

However you seemed to be suggesting that Scotland as a region of the UK (which it currently is) wasn't getting a fair amount of seats compared to other regions of the UK such as London or the South East, which is not the case.
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 11:49:02
#412 Fairfax

Thanks for the link. Seems like unfairness being used for fairness. Orwell would understand. Doubletalk and porcine equality come to mind.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:49:44
#407

"You wrote "I think" ..If you don't know the bloody answer then let someone else answer the question who does because clearly you are out of your depth"

You really need to take your own advice - if you don't know the facts, or have any arguments in response, you should really refrain from calling a proven fact 'rubbish' - and then avoiding giving a reason why you think it is rubbish.

I was asked 'any idea why' and I gave my idea as to why, its as simple as that.
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Publius,

London 08/06/2009 11:51:19
#402 and others

Overrepresentation of small states goes right back to the creation of the Consultative Assembly of the old European Coal and Steel Community in 1952(?) when Luxembourg was given six seats. Luxembourg has had six ever since.
Several points follow from this:
(1) It is unfair - especially to Scotland. A fairer allocation would be 1 seat per million population with every state getting at least 1. This would give Scotland 5, the Republic of Ireland 4, Luxembourg 1 etc. This would get the Euro Parliament down to a more reasonable size.
(2) Because there is no proportionality between states, it makes a nonsense of list proprtional representation within states.
(3) But since real power within the EU lies with the Commission and the Council of Ministers, perhaps it doesn't matter very much. If the European Parliament disappeared tomorrow, it probably wouldn't be missed.
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 11:51:46
Any words of wisdom from our own Mr 7%, Comrade Gray on the utter humiliation suffered by his discredited, rotten, corrupt New Labour Sleaze????


VOTE SNP
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Fairfax,

08/06/2009 11:51:48
Yeah1 (405): "I think it is to give each nation of the EU a roughly equal say in the running of the EU"

That's not quite correct. The purpose is to prevent the larger member states dominating the EU via cooperation cartels. In other words, degressive proportionality has a similar purpose to anti-trust and competition laws. There is a large literature on the abstract economic study of degressive proportionality, such as the following

http://www.uni-konstanz.de/ppm/papers/cartel1.pdf
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 11:52:02
will the brown bounce we all heard about,still be with us?
or is sounding like a deflated fitba,nae bounce and everyone boots it harder
labour for 50 years you have assumed that the voters would always vote labour in scotland,at least
well now you know what happens when you assume you make an ass-u-me out of it ,well we arent allowed to say the a-s-s word
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 08/06/2009 11:55:51
#417 mr grey was seen running into a cubicle with a months supply of andrex,he either has jazz mags in there ,or hes chitting himself raw with the results,and is dreading stomach churning FM question time this week
it should be worth watching this week,more comedy from labour than a month of benny hill programs
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 11:56:44
#420

"It would have been simpler if you had just written "I don't know"

But I do know and I gave the information that I do know.

It would be simpler for you if you avoid calling proven facts 'rubbish' - it would certainly avoid you getting humiliated when you are unable to respond as to why they are rubbish.
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hoblar,

08/06/2009 11:59:31
The comments have reached over 400 on this morning because a SOLE labourite daftie is getting replies by some folk when his main. er, 'mission', is to explain that the SNP, polling their first UK election win over the unionists is a disater for...the SNP!

The desperate labour drone has made over THIRTY COMMENTS since he came on shift at 10 00 this morning, and that is the highest percentage figure that labour will ever get, their leader will be lucky to last much longer, and then there is the disater of a party that labour has become, embroiled in unprecedented political difficulties, plunging the uk into unprecedented economic distress and public debt......

SNP have made political history today....again!

Labour, particularly in Scotland, (a place that has given more votes to a non unionist party in this UK election) have made political history, as in being consigned to the political dustbin of history, a situation they deserve.


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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:01:08
Regarding opinion polls, this from January 2009 (Polling Report - yougov poll for the taxpayers' alliance)

A YouGov poll for the Taxpayers Alliance/Global Vision has European Election voting intention figures - with changes from the 2004 election - of CON 35%(+8), LAB 29%(+6), LDEM 15%(nc), UKIP 7%(-9), GRN 5%(-1), BNP 4%(-1), SNP/PC 4%. The poll was conducted between the 6th and 8th January.

Conservatives to win 30 seats (they got 25)
Labour 24 (they got 13)
Liberal Democrats 9 (11)
SNP 1 (they got 2)
PC 1 (1)
UKIP 4 (they got 13)

The Greens would lose both their seats (they got 2) BNP would fail to secure one (they got 2)

(Above excludes N Ireland)

See polls?

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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 12:01:24
408 Mèths


It can be seen that using that formula, had there still been 7 Scottish seats, the last seat would have gone to the SNP.


SNP 107,002: nearest challenger Tories with 92,897.


Still, an excellent result for Scotland.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:05:07
#424

"The desperate labour drone"

Who is this labour drone that you are talking about?

"The desperate labour drone has made over THIRTY COMMENTS since he came on shift at 10 00 this morning, and that is the highest percentage figure that labour will ever get"

Sorry to be pedantic but 30 comments out of 400 odd is only about 7% - obviously labour get more than that, even in this election!
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:06:55
"Sorry to be pedantic but 30 comments out of 400 odd is only about 7%"

Did you round up or down?

;-)
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:08:19
It's 7.5%. Let's round up.
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 12:08:27
429 Lillibullero

I quite like a rounded-up figure.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:08:30
#425

"Okay then, it would have been easier to say we were both wrong which clearly we both were."

Finally! You admit you were wrong - is it too much to expect an apology for calling my proven facts 'rubbish' as well?
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Fairfax,

08/06/2009 12:10:39
Publius (415): "Several points follow from this:
(1) It is unfair - especially to Scotland. A fairer allocation would be 1 seat per million population with every state getting at least 1. This would give Scotland 5, the Republic of Ireland 4, Luxembourg 1 etc. This would get the Euro Parliament down to a more reasonable size."

I'm not particularly keen on the EU and its Parliament, but direct proportionality would allow EU domination by cooperating larger states. In the model you have suggested, England, France and Germany would be allocated some 200 seats, from an EU total of roughly 450.
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:11:08
As the number of posts gets greater, the percentage of posts by an individual poster will change. Let's drop it.
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 12:12:00
432 nova

Which nats forgot?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:12:06
#441

"It would be simpler if you apologised for the both of us because we were both wrong than having 2 separate apologies."

Okay I will apologise on your behalf to me:

Berero: I'm sorry for calling your proven facts rubbish.

Yeah1: Thats ok I forgive you, just refrain from doing it in future

Now what do I need to apologise for, and to whom?
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Jimmy Le Pie,

08/06/2009 12:13:19
#432 Nova,

Of course we all realise it wasn't a general election.

That's why ALL parties EXCEPT New Labour Sleaze want an immediate general election.


BRING IT ON as wee Wendy once said!!!!
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:14:24
On the "Election update: SNP seals first Euro poll triumph" article it mentions:-

"On the basis of the European Parliament voting figures, the SNP would come first in 22 Scottish council areas, the Tories in four, the Liberal Democrats in three – and Labour also reduced to just three."

Off to the other article.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:14:28
#448

"It would have been simpler if ihad just let you say you were sorry"

Sorry for what?
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:16:41
"SNP seals first Euro poll triumph"

SNP seals? Is this their new name - like Navy Seals?

It's Scotland's seals!
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hoblar,

08/06/2009 12:17:06
Hoblar: "The desperate labour drone has made over THIRTY COMMENTS since he came on shift at 10 00 this morning, and that is the highest percentage figure that labour will ever get"

"Sorry to be pedantic but 30 comments out of 400 odd is only about 7% - obviously labour get more than that, even in this election!"

Ah, but that 7% of the comments are from one single desperado though, and that is yourself.

Just you post another 100 times any old mince, and mind and state that the SNP winning their first UK wide election and increasing their swing by 10% whereas the Tories in England managed to break even with barely a swing.

It is obvious which party is gaining in Scotland mate, the SNP. A party who represent the government of Scotland as well.

Scotland being the country you describe as a region in the Euro context, but our Parliament and our UK wide choice is for a non unionist party when we vote.

Tough cheese for you eh? lol
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:17:40
#451

"For not letting me say my own sorry but let you say your sorry but then tried to say sorry for the both of us then you took it back and said sorry to me."

You asked me to apologise on your behalf so I did. I don't have anything to apologise or say sorry for.
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Earman,

Paphos 08/06/2009 12:18:37
432

If the Conservatives are the "real winners" in this particular election, then I'm sure Mr Salmond and the SNP will be perfectly happy to be the "unreal winners" in Scotland. After all, both positions required more of the electorate to favour one party against the other parties.

I would, however, agree that extreme caution has to be exercised when trying to view this result in terms of a General Election. All that the SNP can say with justified confidence (in my opinion) is that they are making good progress towards their aim of Independence.
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IainA,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 12:19:05
When it comes to the labour government, I can't help but think of Oliver Cromwell's speech to the rump parliament of 1653:

"... ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government......Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?....You have sat here too long for the good you do. In the name of God, go!"

resonates pretty well with our current situation doesn't it?

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Tarchin,

Lothian 08/06/2009 12:19:09
Voter apathy was the big winner on 4/6/09, 31% fewer than three in every ten people who were eligible to vote actually voted. The SNP with about 30% of votes cast sends two MEPs to Brussels with the support of fewer than 10% of the electorate and Labour sends two MEPs to Brussels with about 6% of the elctorate. Voting reform is urgently needed and some kind of compulsion may be necessary.
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Very Concerned Resident,

08/06/2009 12:19:21
#144 Yes, a good night for the SNP - no doubt about that. But don't get too carried away with that 21.4% in Edinburgh - in the 1999 Euro elections the SNP got 22.2% of the popular Edinburgh vote.
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:19:54
Sorry seems to be the hardest word.
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:21:01
I'm sorry I said that nova albion 2 was kimba a few days back - but only because she /he got my comment removed.

(awaits removal)
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:21:41
#459

"Thanks for saying sorry on my behalf, now i will return the favour and say sorry on your behalf."

You misunderstand - I don't have anything to say sorry for.
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Mèths,

08/06/2009 12:22:15
462

Are you a bit mental? The only party whose vote increased? Read comment 449.
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 12:23:53
464 Yeah1

Not even for being a tad repetitive and boring?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:26:05
#466

"Not even for being a tad repetitive and boring?"

I would be delighted if I could only make one point and leave it at that.

Unfortunately people like Berero consistently fail to understand or accept proven facts, so it takes several repetitions before it finally sinks in and they admit they were wrong.
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Tartan Viking,

08/06/2009 12:27:41
No fresh resignations today?

How boring.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 12:30:12
468 Someobody called Jane Kennedy apparently (never heard of her).

Good result for the SNP but a pretty chronic one overall.

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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:30:19

It is great that the BNP got a much smaller percentage of the vote in Scotland than they did in Yorkshire or the North-West.

However we cannot be complacent - they still got 2.5% in Scotland - 27,174 of the Scottish electorate voted for them, and should be ashamed for doing so.
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hoblar,

08/06/2009 12:30:29
It must have been someone hired from an agency that had to type for the hootsman to have a headline like: "LABOUR TROUNCED BY SNP IN EURO ELECTION".

If you campaigned for the best political representatives of the Scottish interest (as I did) then thanks and well done.


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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:31:32
#469

"Nor do i for that matter so again we are both wrong, full circle slap down i won"

But you have already admitted you were sorry for calling proven facts 'rubbish'? Are you now back-tracking on your apology and the fact that you were wrong?
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The Master,

08/06/2009 12:32:44
A 30% vote for the Nats seems to have them dancing carwheels, but this is far from being an endorsement of their hollow opportunist policies in the SP.

If this is the best they can do when Labour nationally are in total meltdown, it must be extremely doubtful if they'll ever win the overwhelming support they need if they're to have any chance of progressing their culty separation agenda against all the odds.

The Master has spoken!
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:35:30

Good election for the Greens too - getting 1.3m votes nationwide and increasing their vote percentage by 2.4% - including a 50% increase in the SW region!

Just unfortunate it didn't translate into any more seats.
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hoblar,

08/06/2009 12:37:01
Look berero, the drone is there to make any attempt to read proper commentary on the historical win "The desperate labour drone has made over THIRTY COMMENTS since he came on shift at 10 00 this morning, and that is the highest percentage figure that labour will ever get"

"Labour TROUNCED by SNP at Euro polls".

The implication for Scotland, now that the SNP have beaten a unionist party in a UK wide election are worth discussing are they not?

The hootsmon will get back to anti SNP articles shortly mate and the drones will spoil away, so take the opportunity to discuss what this historic victory means.
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 12:37:24
#465 Meths

Read comment 449, with the quote from the Hootsrag journo, again:

"On the basis of the European Parliament voting figures, the SNP would come first in 22 Scottish council areas, the Tories in four, the Liberal Democrats in three – and Labour also reduced to just three."

The party that gets 29% of the votes, gets 22 'council areas', the remaining 71% get 10. Possibly due to "degressive proportionality", at least according to the Hootsrag.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:37:58

Infact when you look at the UK Euro elections as a whole it does seem very unfair that despite getting almost a million more votes nationwide than the SNP the Greens still only got the same amount of seats as them.

Thats the advantage of having votes concentrated in one region rather than spread out across the UK.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 12:38:46
478 - agreed.

(That will be a novelty for you) I also agreed with your previous point about the 20,000 odd Scots who should be ashamed of themselves this morning.
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 12:40:53
474 Berero

Swine flu? Somehow quite appropriate. Have you been near the Albion again?
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 12:41:37
Where is the interview with Alex Salmond on BBC News 24?


We have had Cameron and Vague from the Tories, various Labourites and even some characters from two of the English fascist parties but no interview with the most successful political party to emerge from this election.


Why is this ?


I think we should be told!
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The Tin Man,

08/06/2009 12:41:48
#480 hoblar

I was thinking that the SNP would have done a lot better. I'm surprised they didn't get a bigger share of the vote, frankly. We have a shambolic and shamed Labour party, and an SNP scotty exec, but they didn't improve much on their 1999 EU result, and have lost support compared to the Holyrood election.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:45:18
#491

"lol, no i cought it when Yeah1 said he was sorry to me for being wrong."

Are hallucinations one of the side effects of swine flu? Or are you having another of your 'getting fantasy mixed up with reality' moments?

You were the one who said you were sorry for calling proven facts 'rubbish' - I did not say sorry because I have nothing to be sorry for, if I did I would say it.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 12:47:28
500 !
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:49:05
#489

"Where is the interview with Alex Salmond on BBC News...no interview with the most successful political party to emerge from this election."

BBC News 24 is a nationwide news program - nationwide the SNP were not the most successful party - they only increased their vote percentage by 0.7% and came 7th overall, whereas the tories, greens and BNP (unfortunately) all got higher increases and came higher.

I'm sure there are interviews with Salmond on BBC Scotland.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 08/06/2009 12:49:58
I'll come back for 1,000 ;-)))
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brownlie,

08/06/2009 12:50:30
498 Vivas,

Oh, vivas, you can't even get that right.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:52:23

Its shocking that the UK will now have 40 MEPs who are outright anti-EU or at least Eurosceptic - as opposed to only 29 who are in favour of the EU.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 12:55:53
497 nova albion 2


I rather suspect that I am no pal of yours.


However, leaving that aside, with a vote of over 29% of the electorate, and a majority of over 90,000 in the popular vote in Scotland, the SNP has been remarkably successful in this election.


No other party has achieved that level of support and therefore this result deserves some recognition by the BBC.

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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 12:57:24
#505

"English Democrats 2009 EU Elections Result - Finish 7th > 279,801 Votes - 2.1% of the English Poll"

Sorry you appear to have got some incorrect facts. The English Democrats did get 279,801 votes but they didn't come 7th overall - the SNP did with 321,007 votes.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 12:59:34
501 Yeah1


As pointed out earlier, the SNP increased its overall vote by some 38% from the previous Euro election, despite a lower turnout.


Your arithmetic verges upon the bizarre.
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David55,

08/06/2009 13:00:44
I was looking at the election results on the beeb and noticed that nearly 1 million people in the UK voted for the BNP.

In my opinion it reflects badly on the governing party, and also to a lesser extent on the other main parties.

The fact that nearly a milion people think the BNP are the answer to their problems is worrying.





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Ronald Penman,

Glasgow 08/06/2009 13:03:42
Oh what joy! The sky is blue, the sun does shine, and THE NEW LABOUR PARTY have been SMASHED !

Reading the results in greater depths one can see that NEW LABOUR have been reduced to single figures in very many parts of the country. The Cornish Nationalist's
trounced them for goodness sake !

The headline could also read; NEW LABOUR - THE WORST ELECTION RESULT FOR A HUNDRED YEARS!!!
FIFTEEN PERCENT!!

And yet another Minister packs her bags,unable to pledge loyalty to "Maggie" Brown.

The best part of the whole sorry mess thta NEW LABOUR has gotten itself into is that no matter what it does - whether Brown stays, or whether Brown goes the end result will still be the destruction of the Rabid-Right
NEW LABOUR scum. hahhahahahhahahhaha

Even the slavering sycophants at the ebc now admit;
"its hard to conceive of a worse result for the Labour Party."

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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 13:05:20
#508

"As pointed out earlier, the SNP increased its overall vote by some 38% from the previous Euro election, despite a lower turnout. Your arithmetic verges upon the bizarre."

You appear to have misread my post. I was talking about NATIONWIDE i.e the whole of the UK - the SNP vote increased by 0.7%.

The 38% figure which you quote is presumably for Scotland alone, and is based on the increase in the number of SNP voters as opposed to 2004, whereas I am talking about the actual vote percentage increase - which was 0.7 for the SNP in the UK, and 9.4% for the SNP in Scotland.
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 13:07:01
#511

"The headline could also read; NEW LABOUR - THE WORST ELECTION RESULT FOR A HUNDRED YEARS!!!
FIFTEEN PERCENT!!"

Actually it was 15.7% - you can't round that down to 15%, you can only round it up to 16% - we've already had this argument earlier.
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dunedin bully wee 1877,

08/06/2009 13:08:53
510 nova albion 2,


The Tory vote in Scotland dropped by over 11% (23,234 votes).


You still proud of that?
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Yeah1,

08/06/2009 13:12:31
#509

"The fact that nearly a milion people think the BNP are the answer to their problems is worrying."

Quite right. The fact that nearly a million people voted for a racist, whites only party is indeed deeply worrying.

Surely almost a million people in the UK can't be racist can they?

We have to hope at least some of those people voted for the BNP as a 'protest vote' against the other parties rather than because they actually believe in their racist bile.