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Published Date: 20 March 2008
AN INVESTIGATION into rogue trading tactics was ordered yesterday after false rumours of funding difficulties sent HBOS shares plummeting.
As the stock market plunged back into the red, the Financial Services Authority (FSA) said it was investigating whether traders had deliberately sought to undermine the value of bank shares.

HBOS, Britain's biggest mortgage lender, bore the brunt of a day of rumours, with a wave of selling sending its shares down 17 per cent at one point to a record low of 398p, wiping more than £3 billion off its stock market worth.

The Bank of England made the unprecedented move of denying any suggestion HBOS had turned to it for emergency funding.

Stocks endured a day of volatility, as Tuesday's euphoria over the interest rate cuts in the United States proved short-lived. As the turmoil showed no sign of abating, Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, moved to reassure people that the UK's economic growth plans remained on track.

He said the collapse of the US investment bank Bear Stearns this week had not changed his view that Britain would ride out "shocks" from the credit crunch.

But shares on both sides of the Atlantic were mired in the red, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average on Wall Street closing nearly 300 points lower last night. In London, the FTSE 100 closed 60.2 points down, at 5,545.6.

HBOS closed at 446.25p, down 7.1 per cent, having recovered some of its earlier losses. Royal Bank of Scotland fell 2.9 per cent and Alliance & Leicester shed 2.7 per cent.

LloydsTSB was cited as facing problems, but the bank said it was funding its operations strongly and it clawed back an early 3 per cent fall and ended higher.

HBOS dismissed yesterday's speculation, saying it had an "exceptionally strong balance sheet" and continued to access wholesale funding.

It slammed the rumours as "malicious" and "lies" and insisted the bank was one of the strongest financial institutions in the market.

Shane O'Riordain, a spokesman, said: "There has been a series of rumours in the market today – a number of ill-founded and malicious rumours about the UK banking system in the markets. These rumours have not a shred of substance whatsoever. They are lies."

He praised the FSA's "decisive action" to investigate the alleged market abuse.

"It really is time these people who wish to make money out of spreading lies are brought to book," he said. "We are one of the most respected names in the retail and capital markets and a strong and secure financial institution."

The Bank of England, which had come under fire for failing to react quickly enough to the Northern Rock crisis six months ago,

issued a statement saying: "No meetings have taken place or been scheduled to discuss problems with any institution in the UK."

The FSA had also faced criticism over the Northern Rock debacle. Yesterday, Sally Dewar, its managing director for wholesale and institutional markets, said: "There has been a series of completely unfounded rumours about UK financial institutions in the London market over the last few days, sometimes accompanied by short-selling.

"We will not tolerate market participants taking advantage of the current market conditions to commit abuse by spreading false rumours and dealing on the back of them.

"We remind market participants of the need to take extra care, in this market climate, to adhere to the market code of conduct."

An FSA spokesman said one of the "bizarre" rumours that had been spread around the market was that Bank of England Governor Mervyn King had postponed a trip to the Far East because of the market turbulence.

The reality, she said, was that Mr King had decided not to go to West Bromwich, although she could not say what his trip had been for.

Alex Potter, an analyst at the stockbroker Collins Stewart, said it believed the HBOS share plunge was "on fears surrounding write-downs and liquidity".

He said: "We believe its exposure to the UK consumer, level of exposures to 'toxic' debt investments, gearing to private-equity gains within revenues and potential impact from rising wholesale funding costs mean the bank will underperform the UK banks sector on a 12-month view."

Martin Slaney, of the spread-betting firm GFT Global Markets, said there was an "unusually high number of rumours winging around the stock market".

He described UK banks as being the latest victims of the over-active rumour mill, adding: "Much of this is probably unfounded supposition and speculation, but with panic still gripping the markets, investors seem to be attaching more credence to the scaremongers than would be the case in more stable times.

"One rumour breeds another but it is a brave investor who discounts the market grapevine in such volatile times, so the gossip tends to become self-perpetuating."

Mr Darling insisted his growth forecasts for the UK economy remained "realistic" despite the turmoil engulfing global financial markets.

The Chancellor said the collapse of Bear Sterns had not changed his view that Britain would ride out the credit crunch, and he pointed to new figures showing unemployment had fallen as evidence that the UK economy was still "resilient" and could expand by 1.75-2.25 per cent this year.

Historical legacy

HBOS plc was established in September 2001 from the merger of the Halifax and Bank of Scotland, Scotland's oldest bank, becoming the fifth largest financial services company in the UK.

The company, which has its headquarters in Edinburgh, currently employs about 65,000 people in the UK, and 73,500 worldwide.

Since it began trading in 2001, HBOS profits have doubled, and its share of the current account market has gone up from 7 per cent to 12 per cent.

With 22 million customers (two out of every five UK householders) it is the largest mortgage and savings provider in the UK and one of the UK's leading general insurers.

HBOS also has significant interests outwith the UK, including Bankwest in Australia and Banco Halifax Hispania in Madrid. It launched a new retail bank in Ireland in 2006.

HBOS has 2.1 million private shareholders, representing the biggest private shareholder base in the UK, and about 80 per cent of these shareholders are also HBOS customers.

Scotland has the single largest concentration of HBOS employees in the UK - 17,600. More than 8,000 staff are based in Edinburgh, the Lothians and Fife.

Earlier this month HBOS announced plans to consolidate all its offices in Edinburgh and the Lothians on to one site.

Bank of Scotland was founded in 1695, by an Act of the Scottish Parliament.

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1

The Strategist,

20/03/2008 09:05:47
I was not at all surprised by this news. The City is acting more and more like it was a soap opera.
2

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20/03/2008 09:06:54
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

20/03/2008 09:29:26
You can bet your bottom dollar that these rumours will have been started by one of these bar stewards that runs a hedge fund. They are the scum of the earth in my opinion.
4

Willie,

20/03/2008 09:38:10
This is a serious test for the FSA.
People have lost real money through the actions of Stock Market Professionals.
I hope that real action will be taken not a slap on the wrist.
Kick the companies out of the stock exchange. Sack the analysts. Maybe then the greedy will stop feeding on the needy.
5

John south of Soutra,

20/03/2008 09:39:07
Shades of Eddie Murphy & Dan Ackroyd in Trading Places, guys are just sheep and will follow the trend in case someone knows something that they don't
6

Sgurr,

20/03/2008 09:47:38
#3 - some of them are quite nice people in fact...its just a different type of investment vehicle. Their reputation for shorting is valid, but very few of them are able to force the market.

I still say that there are concerns with HBOS though - not in terms of liquidity, but rather, in terms of their exposure to the UK mortgage market. Their growth was phenomenal..which makes me wonder where does further growth come from? HBOS Corporate are daddies though - HBOS aint a one trick pony.

Anyway, the thing I noticed was the fact the market dropped 3.8% one day and bounced by 3.3% the following day...my guess is that was the anchor bouncing along the bottom and we'll see the market rise from here...so long as no more banks go bust, of course.

Now, where's my FT?! whaa whaa, pass the Lafite!
7

SimonHurrll,

England 20/03/2008 10:15:53
This article highlights the nonsense of the ''City'' and its ''Traders'' being given absolute control over the destiny of millions of hard working people all over this Country [be it Scotland, Ireland, Wales or England] or elsewhere across the World who rely on the proprietaryness and ''upstanding'' of such people to run their business for the better of the people. Is it not a coincidence that Bear Stearns fell out of favour one day to be [apparanetly] staved of liquidation by being bought by its biggest competitor [at the apparent insistence of others] and then the following day after the ''FED'' had intervened [for the apparent betterment of the USA Economy] by reducing Lending Rates the result of which was that the New Owner walked away [apparently] with a huge profit. Is or was someone in the know? We will never know. And now [apparently] the same was attempted in the UK. Had it succeeded the misery resulting and imparted to the Country's hard earning mortgage payers would have been severe. How many of those that run the so-called City Institutions would have cared? Not many for they continually walk away with unrealistically huge financial bonuses irrespective of whether the Share Prices Rise or Fall. Wasn't it put succinctly enough the other week when one of the major Trading Organisations was reported to have paid their staff massive bonuses yet again? Is it any wonder that the London Stock Exchange is under inspection by the Regulators in this Country and Elsewhere for alleged malpractices and deviant dealings? This self-centred ''Me'' approach is the Legacy of that Failed Conservative Party whose maxim that ''there is No such Thing as Society'' has been their stalwart principle for the past 20 years.
The time has come for the ''City'' to be properly Regulated and those Individuals and their Companies that have shown their worth over the past days to be brought to book under common laws around the ''Insider Trading'' Rules with Substantial and Punitive F
8

Willie,

20/03/2008 10:18:06
# 6 These are nice people really!!
What a load of tosh.
They're greedy opportunists!!
If they were on the dole short selling would be called theft.
Because they are wealthy so called professionals its called fair game.
Its unacceptable and hopefully the FSA will name and shame. Then we will see if the media will hold them up as free enterprise heroes or villains.
I suspect the latter!!
Good luck they may need it.
9

SimonHurrll,

20/03/2008 10:19:34
This article highlights the nonsense of the ''City'' and its ''Traders'' being given absolute control over the destiny of millions of hard working people all over this Country [be it Scotland, Ireland, Wales or England] or elsewhere across the World who rely on the proprietaryness and ''upstanding'' of such people to run their business for the better of the people. Is it not a coincidence that Bear Stearns fell out of favour one day to be [apparanetly] staved of liquidation by being bought by its biggest competitor [at the apparent insistence of others] and then the following day after the ''FED'' had intervened [for the apparent betterment of the USA Economy] by reducing Lending Rates the result of which was that the New Owner walked away [apparently] with a huge profit. Is or was someone in the know? We will never know. And now [apparently] the same was attempted in the UK. Had it succeeded the misery resulting and imparted to the Country's hard earning mortgage payers would have been severe. How many of those that run the so-called City Institutions would have cared? Not many for they continually walk away with unrealistically huge financial bonuses irrespective of whether the Share Prices Rise or Fall. Wasn't it put succinctly enough the other week when one of the major Trading Organisations was reported to have paid their staff massive bonuses yet again? Is it any wonder that the London Stock Exchange is under inspection by the Regulators in this Country and Elsewhere for alleged malpractices and deviant dealings? This self-centred ''Me'' approach is the Legacy of that Failed Conservative Party whose maxim that ''there is No such Thing as Society'' has been their stalwart principle for the past 20 years.
The time has come for the ''City'' to be properly Regulated and those Individuals and their Companies that have shown their worth over the past days to be brought to book under common laws around the ''Insider Trading'' Rules with Substantial and Punitive F
10

SimonHurrll,

20/03/2008 10:23:41
Your System cuts off the end of the statement I made in article number 7, and this is a failing of the system I trust that this corrects it.
The full paragraph reads after ......past 20 years.

The time has come for the ''City'' to be properly Regulated and those Individuals and their Companies that have shown their worth over the past days to be brought to book under common laws around the ''Insider Trading'' Rules with Substantial and Punitive Fines being applied after all they have cared little for the Public.
Perhaps at the same time the Government [of the UK] and the Collective Governments of the European Union will consider Taxing these Companies as it appears that many of them pay no Taxes to the Exchequer.
We cannot allow this to happen again.
11

GP,

20/03/2008 10:38:16
6# it's dangerous to wonder so don't. You could be held repsonsible for more rumours.
I believe the every practice in the city merely went further than is normal. Thise people who these guys have any reality of their actions need to get their heads looked at. With bonuses running into BILLIONS yes billions not millions these guys couldn't give a f*** about anyone or anything.
They started a runour about NR which the media grabbed and got the public all excited about NOTHING and caused a run on the bank which has now cost as we have been told 2000 people their jobs. That's REAL people and real jobs and real lives affected. All because of a rumour escalated by the media well beyond the facts.
Once again we see rumours but once again it is aimed not at local "friends" such as Barclays the only bank so far to have actually received emergency loans no it is another northern based bank.
The sheep should grow some sharp teeth and bite back folks. Those who have not already learned from the endowment debacle and losses based on stock markets should review their pension arrnagements.
How long before we hear the heavy thud of a package with red letter warnings of "your pension may not make as much as we told you, you should give us more of your money to squander".
wake up!
wake up!
All of those same companies who implied that endowments would give a good return are selling the next gravy train (for them) a 25 - 30 year investment that should provide a nice income in the future.
Similar sound bite!!!
These same companies have paid bonusses year in and year out to staff yet cannot deliver the end product advertised.

A fool an his money is easily parted right enough.

12

Sgurr,

20/03/2008 11:07:33
6 GP - "it's dangerous to wonder so don't. You could be held repsonsible for more rumours." Are you kidding?? Are people no longer allow to wonder? Freedon of speech etc. blimey!

Anyway - 8 Willie - there is nothing illegal whatsoever in shorting. Are you mad? Shares rise in value...and fall. Taking a view that a share will fall over a given period and borrowing & selling into that strategy in not illegal...in fact, it is common sense! You have to remember that these same people lose money as well.

You need to remember that whilst *some* of the individuals might be greedy, they are often working on behalf of their shareholder, which will in turn include the big life companies....so they are doing it for our pensions. I'd rather have a greedy sod managing my pension fund than someone who wasn't so concerned.

An example of how greedy these people are might be the "greediest" of them all - Warren Buffet. Yup, he just donated the majority of his US$60bn fortune to charity. He still lives in the same house he bought in the 1950s and he reportedly pays himself US$100,000 per year. I'll bet he's done more for the poor and more for the general health and wealth of the world than any tree hugging numpties who'd have us live in caves.

13

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 20/03/2008 11:20:35
All this in the name of market efficiency!?

Until these hedge funds are regulated we will have more of this. Greedy yuppies are living it up at our expense. They drive £200 000 limos for ruining little people.

I fear that we have not seen the end of this and these weapons of financial mass destruction.

Is Osama bin Laden involved at all?

Just before 9/11 there were put options on airline stocks!
14

El Sabio,

Sibbertoft 20/03/2008 11:22:24
Shorting may well be legal but at this time it's a rather dubious transaction.
15

steveh3,

20/03/2008 11:28:56
Capitalism at its best, this no great surprise it’s the nature of the beast and for a change the bank who normally fed off us or some would say rob us, have been ripped off (shame).
If it wasn’t for the negative implications on the financial markets I would enjoy this a lot more.
Its frightening all our futures are and in the hands of these wa**kers.

16

AllyFraeEmbra,

Near the Castle 20/03/2008 11:32:43
Morning Sgurr - I agree with you at #6 & #12, although I reckon HBOS Mortgages main concern at the moment will be trying to retain their existing market share (which they are proactively trying to do) rather than necessarily trying to increase it right now.

Willie #8 - "If they were on the dole short selling would be called theft." Care to explain further?
17

AllyFraeEmbra,

Edinburgh 20/03/2008 11:43:19
GP #11 - I take it that your money is all under the mattress then being eroded by inflation and/or nibbled at by the mice?

Pension planning is still one of the most tax efficient medium to long term savings vehicles in the U.K. and should not be ignored. (With proper advice about asset allocations it can also be very efficient in the short term as well.)
18

GP,

20/03/2008 11:51:35
17# Pension plannin is neither efficient of effective for those on low incomes at all.
It is very effective and efficient for those on high salaries paying higher rate tax.
Get real!! you some sort of sleazy IFA?
19

The Strategist,

20/03/2008 11:52:46
Heard a beaut on Radio 4 last night... They were talking about the difficulty of raising funding for start-ups and someone said that the latest joke doing the rounds was that if Bill Gates had been a Brit then by now he'd have easily raised enough funding to build the biggest IT company ....... in Guildford !!!
20

GP,

20/03/2008 11:58:51
Let's not kid ourselves and others folks.
These runours are not just banter in the pub.
These are known lines of good source comms as the city puts it. Some very well knoiwn people must have been involved in this and no doubt we will never find out.
The old boys club will close ranks unless the serious fraud squad is involved as opposed to the self regulating other old boys club the FSA.



21

AllyFraeEmbra,

Near the Castle 20/03/2008 12:07:20
GP #19 & #21 - Your 'well balanced' comments appear to show chips on both shoulders! You some sort of failed insurance salesman?
22

tomfrom66,

Thornton Cleveleys 20/03/2008 12:34:18
So much for Adam Smith's 'invisible hand'!
23

yockel,

20/03/2008 12:53:09
Everything is OK at HBOS is it, or is that just a rumour put about by their PR dept.?
24

GP,

20/03/2008 12:57:46
22# I would never stoop so low.

23# excellent post - shame the FSA won't do anything.
wait and see nothing will be done, self regulation is NO regulation.
25

Kieron,

Stirling 20/03/2008 12:59:37
#25 Exactly that. HBoS will keep bleating on about how things are AOK when the fact is that the Edinburgh giant is today quaking!
26

Memyself&I,

20/03/2008 14:02:33
I suspect few here know what they are talking about (#27).
Seriously, some people here are looking extremely foolish. HBOS like all the bank will suffer a bit of pain, perhaps even a little more given their exposure so sub prime+1 debt. However, they are more than able to take it on the chin and carry on.
I'd doubt if any of the big 5 in the UK will suffer any particular hardship - relatively speaking of course.

Interesting to note that there are many people jumping to conculsions and thinking there is some "wide boy" working in the City that instigated these rumours. Not necessarily the case at all.

Hey ho,.as someone said, follow the money trail and you find the answers.

GP - You really do have a chip on your shoulder.
27

GP,

20/03/2008 14:35:23
29# I have no chip or axe to grind "loner".
I have no debts and am not worried by this banking crisis indeed I see this as an opportunity to make money. However that does not stop me being able to see through the guff and smoke that those who like to call themselves "advisors" after a fews of days brainwashing or attempt to kid the public on that in someway they are "independant".
The latest gamble that "Joe" public is being taken for a ride on is pensions. If for once the financial institutions deliver then those on low income will still be on low income when they retire. It is no great savings or money making scheme. No pension fund ever pays out more than they take in, unless it is crooked. The whole point of pensions preys on peoplss fear like insurance salesmen and the rest.
What percentage of the population in Scotland receives 10 years of pension remmuneration?
What percentage of the population of Scotland do not reach pensionable age?
I only point out that the previous long term investments provided to the masses that of endowments failed so badly that they are no longer used.
In real terms they are very similar both in terms of length of investment and investment areas.

I sincerely hope that personal pensions do not go the same way BUT there is no more security with them than there was with endowments.

Once a carpetbagger always a carpetbagger, a leaopard can't change it's spots.
Take whatever one you like but a commission based con man is simply that.

28

Geoff,

sa 20/03/2008 15:06:09
Time to switch from Jersey to Zurich?
29

Richard Lionheart,

20/03/2008 16:04:06
Is this not really down to the baghdad broadcasting corporation making "tomorrows news today".

I have listened to their reports this week and they have really been turning up the hype.

Perhaps they have vested interests in "wealth funds".
30

Archie's Girl,

Croydon 20/03/2008 17:30:21
Just when DID West Bromwich (Midlands) Become a Region in "The Far East"?
31

grannie,

East Kilbride Glasgow 20/03/2008 18:20:15
Nothing surprises me anymore. I'm sure there are people out there who can control the whole system. The rest of world are just pawns in their hands
32

No thanks...,

Edinburgh 20/03/2008 18:39:48
No smoke without fire... is this not because the HBOS group had to open its books to its Jersey funds mechanism Grampian Funding Ltd...50% of the HBOS groups net worth has had to be placed at its disposal. Grampian has been badly hit by the liquidity issue! I suspect a BOE cover up / smoke screen, to save the country from another Northern Rock. Dont think we could afford HBOS going belly up!
33

mcbogtrotter,

usa 20/03/2008 19:06:16
All of these comments are really kind of funny I guess it just depends on which side of the fence you are on.
Some are quite good and harken back to the fact that there is nothing inherently wrong with Capitalizm, all it is really is delivering a product at a reasonable price to allow enough profit for research and devlopment and to pay the cost of doing business, you know originally people invested in a company that was strong and had a good product line that was needed they made a profit and portions of the profit were paid to shareholders as a dividend in that case everyone wanted a company to do well so that investors made a little income.
Today however it has all changed dividends are small to non existant it is about the rise in the value of stock and then the sell off. To a large degree the huge CEO bonuses ect are the shareholders dividend but the boards of these companys like Exxon who gave Raymond a 240 million gold watch are doing so in hopes that their own butt will someday be in that seat.
Socialism does not work because history tells us that more people would rather not work so who is going to pay for it, I guess the few that actully desire to achieve something for what ever reason.
I suppose that this leaves us only with a program that is a combination of all of the above, we do have to all take an active part which means work, save, be aware and to make our government's be acountable in any way we can it will take us working together that is the hardest part of all.
I suspect that most of us need to lower our expectations somewhat and return to a little simpler time.
34

Trade-wind,

USA 20/03/2008 19:53:48
The short answer to all of this is "IT AIN"T OVER".
ANYONE who views the happenings of the past 6 months and becomes jaded by the ups and downs. Then believing that all is well in whoville, and that whovillians have all become good guys will awaken on mornig in the near future with nothing but the bag they carried their money in. This is a very serious time and the wrong move at the right time, or, the right move at the wrong time could tip this into, not a resession, but a depression. Not since 1929 have we been so close. The frantic doings of all the national governments and their respective banks should be a wakeup call to people who can't afford to lose their money either in the market or in banks who fold. Government has just about run out of options and when it does we will be tossed into the abiss.
35

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 20/03/2008 20:52:06
Smoke and fire
36

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/03/2008 21:52:17
Can anyone tell me if this is a good time to buy bank shares? Serious question.
37

Covert Action,

20/03/2008 21:54:12
What is needed is a little bit of "Russian" justice. HBOS should discreetly find out the top 100 beneficiaries of these chicaneries (easily enough done) then dicreetly engage somebody to break their legs with sledgehammers.
38

John Jobling,

Melrose 21/03/2008 13:56:43
Talking about lies, this.... http://ftalphaville.ft.com/ ....adds a little flavour.
The inflation and the housing market lies are most relevant, we could add to them 80% of the statistics being fed to us by Sauron & Co.
If lying by our government is endemic, what else can you expect.
Malty, one of Britains lied to`s
39

john 2:16,

london 22/03/2008 12:54:27
You are all missing the point. There's no smoke without fire. HBOS are in financial trouble because of their problems with Grampian and because of their massive exposure to the UK sub prime market, let alone their exposure to the US subprime market. They also are facing potential legal conflicts and scandals about to emerge over preferrential deals they had with repossession agents Remax several years ago and over their exposure to Shared Appreciation mortgages which Lloyds and Barclays both had the sense to get out of several years ago. HBOS' massive growth over the past five years was borne on the back of reckless greed and they pushed out massive levels of debt to the British populace in order to fuel their profits. They are therefore responsible for more sub-prime lending in the UK than any other bank. The other (currently profitable) side of their business is insurance the selling of which is also coming under scrutiny by the OFT. Most notably the mis-selling of PPI. It will only take one win against HBOS in court for their practices of mis-selling PPI through AA / Centrica and issuing the misold insurance through St. Andrews (all HBOS companies) for many tens of thousands of other similar cases which are pending to then cascade in on them. HBOS's share position is difficult because of their own bad management and reckless greed and their own culture of corporate arrogance. It is easy to blame roque traders and get the FSA to make strong statements (especially when Sir James Crosby former CEO of HBOS and the man responsible for pushing out such large levels of sub-prime debt is a non-executive director of the FSA), however HBOS are in the postion they are in through their own actions. They have also lost the wider public's support over their consolodation strategies on the Farepack scandal which left them with a healthy profit but completely screwed over thousands of the poorest people in society. So the average man on the street actually hates them.
40

john 2:16,

london 22/03/2008 12:57:46
For everyone's attention. HBOS are facing a 19 billion hole they have to fund with Grampian. The Bank of England don't have it to give to them. This was reported in the press last August so well ahead of current events. Could that be the reality behind some of last weeks rumours in the press and amongst traders?

 

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