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Published Date: 21 August 2009
THE triumphant scenes in Tripoli which greeted the return of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi's return, with Libyan crowds waving Saltires, were last night condemned as "sickening".
Pamela Dix, whose brother Peter died along with 269 others when the Pan Am jet exploded above Lockerbie in 1988, said: "I think a hero's welcome is entirely inappropriate in the circumstances.

"He has been released on compassionate grounds, but he remains a convicted man. His return to Tripoli should not have been handled in this way."

Russell Brown, Labour MP for Dumfries, described the scenes as "stomach churning", adding: "I have never been ashamed to see my country's flag waved before, but to see it misused to celebrate mass murder is outrageous. This man is convicted of murdering 270 people in my part of Scotland and that conviction stands.

"This adds further pressure to the SNP to explain why they have freed a man who showed no remorse for the crimes he committed. The SNP are damaging Scotland's reputation and have put our flag in a position where it can be abused like this."

Tory MP David Mundell, whose constituency includes Lockerbie, said: "This is as we feared and why we said that Mr Megrahi should be kept in Scotland. Alex Salmond's government has made a mistake of international proportions. These reports (of the flag being waved] are sickening."

Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi returns to Libya from Scotland
Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi returns to Libya from Scotland


However, a spokesman for justice secretary Kenny MacAskill defended the decision to release Megrahi: "Mr Al Megrahi has been sent back to Libya to die. We deliberately eschewed political and diplomatic considerations, and he was released according to due process and under licence conditions. Our concerns are the interests of justice, and making the right decisions."

The decision to allow Megrahi to go home will be seen as a huge snub to US President Barack Obama, who last night demanded that Libya put the Lockerbie bomber under house arrest as anger at his release grew in the United States.

Earlier, relatives of those killed in the Lockerbie bombing condemned Megrahi's release. Stephanie Bernstein, the widow of Michael Bernstein, a prosecutor who tracked down Nazi war criminals, said: "MacAskill talks about showing compassion and mercy. This is weakness. This is how it will be seen by Gaddafi. This is how it will be played within Libya and this is how it will be seen by every single person that wants to do harm to people all over the world."




Read Tam Dalyell's analysis of this story here

Read Clive Fairweather's analysis of this story here





Susan Cohen, whose daughter Theodora was one of many students killed on the flight, said: "This has been despicable. He was convicted of mass murder, but you've let him out on the most sickening grounds possible. Shame on Scotland. We were told about this proud little country, but you are still in the grip of the British Empire."

The issue has once again highlighted the divide between the British and American relatives of those who died in the Lockerbie bombing. British relatives, most of whom believe Megrahi is innocent, welcomed the decision to release him.

Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was on Pan Am Flight 103, said: "I don't believe for a moment that this man was involved in the way that he was found to have been involved."

But Dr Swire reiterated his regret that Megrahi's appeal against his conviction had been dropped. "I feel despondent that the West and Scotland didn't have the guts to allow this man's second appeal to continue, because I am convinced had they done so, it would have overturned the verdict against him."

However, there was anger from Lockerbie over Megrahi's release. The self-styled "Baby of Lockerbie" described the decision as "quite disgusting". Aimee Guthrie was born within an hour of the disaster to a couple who ran a hotel in the Borders town. She said she would have preferred it if Megrahi had been left to die in jail.

There was also a fierce debate over how Mr MacAskill's decision had affected the reputation of Scotland's legal system. Despite his claims to support the original verdict on Megrahi's guilt, some claimed the justice secretary had caved in to those who said that Scottish judges, police and prosecutors had got it wrong.

But Scottish Law Society president Ian Smart said the decision had upheld the reputation of the legal profession. He said the doubts were only over evidence, not process.

And retired judge Lord McCluskey said: "There is no reason for us not to show compassion – apart from revenge, which isn't the sweetest of virtues."

'Deal in the desert' paved way for him to go free

KENNY MacAskill's decision to free Megrahi can be traced back to the so-called "deal in the desert", struck between Libyan leader Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi and Tony Blair, the then prime minister, in June 2007.

The deal was sealed shortly after Alex Salmond became First Minister, and the prisoner transfer agreement (PTA) led to his first serious row with the UK government, when he protested that the Scottish authorities had not been consulted and warned it would lead to Megrahi being transferred back to Libya.

On 5 May this year, Scottish ministers received an application for Megrahi's release from the Libyan government.

On 24 July, Mr MacAskill received an application from Megrahi for compassionate release, along with reports from prison and social work staff.

On 4 August, Mr MacAskill visited Megrahi in Greenock jail. He also met or spoke with the relatives of US and UK victims.

A report dated 10 August indicated Megrahi had only about three months to live – the basis on which he was released.

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  • Last Updated: 21 August 2009 4:13 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lockerbie
 
1

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/08/2009 21:53:52
what a poor attempt by the Scotsman to turn this into a polital party broadcast on behalf of the Labour party.
2

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/08/2009 21:57:13
The dead and the terminally ill all cast aside for Tom Peterkin's theory on the credits for the "conspiracy" to free Megrahi.
3

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/08/2009 22:03:39
Scotland makes its first international autonomous declaration in over 300 years ( stuffing it up America and Westminster) and this kind of reporting denigrates Scottish journalism.

Where is the discection of MacAskill's statement that the UK government were non cooperative in the handling of this? That Ms Clinton put pressure on the UK government?

Thought not. Words fail me, Scotsman, to describe the loss to your stable the likes of Ian Bell was.
4

Justin Timbercake,

20/08/2009 22:31:45
MacAskill is a disgrace.

So is Salmond who was undoubtedly pulling the strings.

It is party time in Tripoli. Laser light shows you name it. It was all on the BBC news.

All in celebration of Scotland releasing a mass murderer from prison.

The SNP has made Scotland a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.
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Justin Timbercake,

20/08/2009 22:38:29
One thing is for sure, the SNP can wave goodbye to Glasgow North East.
6

Justin Timbercake,

20/08/2009 22:50:09
BREAKING NEWS.

Next year's Tartan Day is going to be in Tripoli.

Salmond and Macaskill going to be knighted by Gaddaffi.
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Cynicus Unbound,

20/08/2009 23:05:22

"Next year's Tartan Day is going to be in Tripoli."-#6, Justin Timbercake

The display of the saltire in a jubilant Tripoli reception party does nobody any favours. I suspect MacAskill and the Scottish Government would have preferred to see it burned.

Rufus, try to be serious about this. Not every issue is reducicible to a Nats v. Unionists bunfight and those who seek to do this on the occasion of Megrahi's release does nobody any favours.
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Cynicus Unbound,

20/08/2009 23:11:32
Barack Obama has expressed a view on this.

Dave the Chameleon has muttered his tuppence worth, doubtless after a quick focus group feedback.

MacAskill has spoken -and at length (boy, was it at length!).

What of Macavity or his Darling Catspaw?

What of that ambitious young man at the Foreign Office?

What of Mandy Foy, socialiser with Quadaffi Junior in Corfu?

Not a cheep from any of them.

It is time for the press to ask msome hard questions of them.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/08/2009 23:23:03
So, Justin (Ah was just oot before you came in), you choose to ignore the deal in the desert between Blair and Gaddafi McLleod.

Unusual for you to give the credit to Scotland.
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Justin Timbercake,

20/08/2009 23:35:35
7 Cynicus Unbound,20/08/2009 23:05:22

The SNP has been disgraceful in this whole sorry episode.

I do not believe for a second that Labour or the Conservatives would have allowed Britain's biggest mass murderer to walk out of prison after 8 years.

This therefore is a party political issue.

MacAskill's speech was a disgrace. He could not stop himself laying the blame with Westminster.

What a parochial and amateurish display by a toy town administration.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 20/08/2009 23:49:02
10, Justin. I concur.

The Westminster administration is poarochial, amateurish and toytown.

Their display has been terrible but MacAskill should have shown it the same compassion he showed Megrahi.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 21/08/2009 00:07:26
Bit of hypocrisy from Clinton about not interfering in other countries affairs!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjZVl_kA_Ds&feature=channel_page
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EPS,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:08:45
Let’s leave party politics out of this. The decision was Scotland’s to make and Scotland made it. The independence of the Scottish justice system is maintained. The decision was the correct one on humanitarian grounds. There is no evidence whatsoever that the decision was made in order to spite America or anyone else. Other countries are entitled to their opinions.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 21/08/2009 00:12:33
McAskill acted bravely and showed great dignity.
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:13:10
Jock Tamson,

It is not surprising. The Scotsman Jounalists seem not to have amind of their own. Amazing, given the share price of JPR.L, even given their recent rise.


As for "Justin Timbercake", looking beyond the name, you really do write some pysh, don't you? I mean, you must know you are writing indefensible tosh, yeah? You simply hate the SNP so much you have never had a good word. Ironically, even the Tories have a good word for them!


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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:13:30
hoos poos
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jamboforever,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:14:59
Ashamed to be Scottish on the day a mass muderer is freed to a hero's welcome.

Well done Sir Kenny of Libya
18

Darien,

Panama 21/08/2009 00:15:43
Momentus positive decision by the Scottish Government.
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:16:06
#20, may i ask, do you think people deserve to die in prison? Am curious.
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 00:16:29
Interesting take on the Labour party's "position" in the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/aug/20/gordon-brown-labour-libya-megrahi

On the whole, their silence has been deafening. Clearly Labour do not wish to have to express their opinions. Odd that they are so shy about putting forward their views on such a hugely important issue, is it not?
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Chiefs Fan,

USA 21/08/2009 00:18:01
How sad for the famlies who's loved ones were slaughtered by this man. And how sad for Scotland that its government feels that so many lives matter so little.
22

Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:18:38
Am a poster from many years ago - 3ish (I think).

No meths these days? Ayrshire Scot? The names changed, but I don't see them here.
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:20:01
Chiefs Fan,

Hi!

Do you think that some people deserve to die in prison?
24

Peeablo,

still here 21/08/2009 00:20:13
Poor show Tam Peterkin!
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:23:43
:)

Live in Edinburgh now. Came back here mostly because I invested money in JPL.L....I shorted them alot!!!

This paper is a shadow of its grand old self.

Sorry for asking, are you also spook? I can't remember....young lad, student, footy player, etc?
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The Strategist,

21/08/2009 00:26:05
Good grief... Alan Cochrane of the Telegraph who is renowned for his unstinting support of the Tories and his usually scathing approach to anything the SNP says or does has said that he is in agreement with Kenny MacAskill's decision.
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Marga,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:26:20
For a good article on this, see normally very anti-SNP Cochrane in the Telegraph. The man has the honesty to admit that on this occasion, MacAskill and the SNP acted correctly. An example to other journalists.
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:27:25
#32 and 33 - gosh! That man is normally a grand high numpty 5*!
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21/08/2009 00:27:43
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DialMforMurdoX,

21/08/2009 00:29:16
I am proud to be Scottish today.
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 00:30:04
Hey! Keep it up!

Off to sleep, but cheers and enjoy baiting the mindless yanks here. Simply quote "habeas corpus" re guantanamo and they shut up!

hoos poos, Sir.
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21/08/2009 00:30:48
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21/08/2009 00:32:13
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Marga,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:32:31
Strategist - you got there first! But the Cochrane article really deserves double comment, it's quite unnerving to see a journo. drop the pose like that. This issue is stirring up a lot of surprising stuff.
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JaF,

21/08/2009 00:35:18
Mr Obama told the Libyan government that Megrahi should not receive a hero's welcome and should be placed under house arrest.
You are arrogant Mr Obama telling a sovereign nation (Libya) what it should do with al-Megrahi.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 00:36:49
In this the year of the "Scottish Home Coming Celebration"

I am disgusted and sickened by the ruling to free this mass murderer.

"Libyan Home coming more like"

As a Scot I am ashamed by this ruling.

For all you liberal thinkers I ask one question, "What if one of the 270 victims was a member of your family"

Would you be so quick to support this ruling, the basket should have rotted and died in jail.
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DisgustedYank,

USA 21/08/2009 00:39:24
I love Scotland, and frankly, I would like to see Scotland as a free and sovereign republic. I would like to see the same for England and for Wales. However, this kind of decision looks like a pure payoff. Who paid whom? Where is the money? Look for SNP officials suddenly buying new BMW's for themselves or going on "fact finding trips" to Switzerland, Liechtenstein, or some other cave where they've hidden their payoffs, and you'll see the that this release has nothing to do with compassion. Also, look for payoffs to Labour HQ, because, in my opinion, the UK govt would not let this happen unless they wanted it to, on Nat Secty grounds. Unless I misunderstand this, Scotland doesn't have the right to conduct its own foreign policy, so this happened because Labour knew that it would make SNP look bad and let them do it. If you think I'm a Tory, I think that they got paid off, too, since they have no problem with Mideast oil loot, either.

Several years ago there was a Scottish MP who was Saddam Hussein's greatest defender, and while he of course was ENTIRELY INCORRUPTIBLE, he did gladly accept fact finding missions to Bagdad to visit the great Saddam. I suppose that the MP, a GREAT DEFENDER of HUMANITY, probably tried to urge Saddam not to gas the Kurds or to drain the marshes, effectively depopulating the homeland of the marsh Arabs.

What the heck is going on, UK????!!!!

I know that the Scottish and other people in Britain are not at fault here, but I would personally love to see a boycott of the UK by Americans. Thanks, but we don't need to see palaces or pubs if that country --"our greatest ally" we are told -- is releasing mass murderers of our people. There's got to be a price for this kind of criminal blood money, friends. If the UK loses billions from vacationing Americans, some concerned parties will push for an investigation to get at the root of this decision. Then those found to have been corrupted should be tried and imprisioned. Most of the 250+ vi
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Fifi la Bonbon,

21/08/2009 00:41:53
The decision was one for the Justice minister to make. And if all he'd said was the signle sentence reported as a soundbite about what he decided and why that would have been fine.

He was clear enough that his decision was based on what he called "compassionate grounds" and he did not give any comfort to those who seek to undermine the verdict of the court. Also fine. I just wish he'd kept his comments to that. But his whole justification sounded forced. His claim that compassion was a distinctively Scottish trait was extremely unhelpful and preachy.

A racist narrative is emerging about this. It suggests that people from the US and elsewhere who disagree that releasing a mass murderer serving a life sentence who is terminally ill is compassionate and anyone who disagrees is somehow inferior morally to those who would approve of that course of action. Mr McAskill did not overtly perpetuate that but his comments give encouragement to those who make that argument.

There was an excellent discussion about this on PM on Radio 4 yesterday - about 1735 to 1745, I think, if you care to listen to it on the iPlayer. The question put by Eddie Mair was what did compassion mean. Susan Cohen, who is quoted in this story, responded to another bereaved parent who was clearly one who sought to doubt the verdict and who talked about a "duty to forgive." Mrs Cohen said that there is a difference between compassion and forgiveness. She said that there was no duty to forgive, and asked if compassion was being shown to theose who had died and those who were bereaved, like her and her family. She made the point that many of those who espoused what they called compassion were also those who were agitating to undermine the verdicty.

The Justice minister, to his credit, said nothing to undermine the verdict or to conguse two completely separate issues. I hope that commenters can maintain the same discipline, and that they will also resist the racist tempation to criticise peop
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21/08/2009 00:44:28
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JDY,

US 21/08/2009 00:45:04
DialMforMurdoX,21/08/2009 00:29:16
I am proud to be Scottish today.


Yes, I would be bubbly and tingly all over if my country let a killer of 200 plus men, women and childrengo live out the last ? months of his life as a hero....You ignorant twit.

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CRAGman,

21/08/2009 00:47:05
This, I'm sure, was not an easy decision for Mr MacAskill to make - but it is the right one. Two wrongs don't make a right - and mercy is a quality beyond price and measure.

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 00:47:39
48

Racism has nothing to do with allowing a convicted mass murder to be freed.

Cancer or being terminally ill has nothing to do with a conviction of a mass murderer.

But then again I do not have the thoughts of a liberal or socialist vote seeker.
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21/08/2009 00:48:24
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Tess McClure,

USA 21/08/2009 00:49:31
Hey, if Mr. MacAskill is looking for a vacation hot spot, he should go to Tripoli. No doubt he'll be greeted with open arms (and the Scottish flag)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 21/08/2009 00:49:45
The Scotsman makes a habit of changing the article and headline when it sees the comments are not going the way it wants.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

21/08/2009 00:49:47
The Justice minister, to his credit, said nothing to undermine the verdict or to conguse two completely separate issues. I hope that commenters can maintain the same discipline, and that they will also resist the racist tempation to criticise people of different national or religious and philosophical origins who take issue with the view that compassion and forgiveness are the same.

For myself, I would say that the Justice minister was wrong to decide to release the Lockerbie bomber. That man was convicted in a Scots court of 270 vicious murderes, including 17 children, two of who were aged only two months, which is less time than the former Lybian security service operative and head of Libyan Airlines security is reportedly expected to survive. A message of weakness and vacillation was sent out today.
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21/08/2009 00:50:24
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JDY,

21/08/2009 00:50:41
This, I'm sure, was not an easy decision for Mr MacAskill to make - but it is the right one. Two wrongs don't make a right - and mercy is a quality beyond price and measure.

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

I assumed mercy was simply letting hom live out his life in prison...
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Pedagoguish,

Tacoma, USA 21/08/2009 00:53:06
Shame, shame, shame on Scotland and on all Scots. You have allowed a serial murderer to go free. Appalling, shameful, despicable. Pray God that the next heinous attack does not occur to you and yours. What you have done is beneath contempt.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 00:54:37
49

What if one of your relatives were a passenger on the doomed flight?

Some of you people amaze me, "an an for an eye" remember that one in the bible. Or I should say "270 for one"

I hope the basket dies a painful and horrible death for what he helped go into the history books, and may his family suffer as the 270 victims family have suffered since that terrible day.
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21/08/2009 00:56:18
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Chiefs Fan,

USA 21/08/2009 00:56:20
Obanite, you've asked whether I believe some actions are so destructive, barbaric and cruel that they justly merit a life-long prison term. I do.

Might I favor parol? Compassionate release? Certainly, in some instances. But not in this one. This man demonstrated, spectacularly and horrifically, that he is not fit for life outside of prison walls.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:56:23
Interesting to see Glenn Cambell on Newsnight in full-on Scottish cringe mode. Instead of simply recognising the fundamental fact of the sovereignty of the Scottish system of justice ... he firstly referred to it's role as "a curiosity" ... and then as "delegated". Bizarre.

Bias, ignorance or stupidity ? A bit of each I think.
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21/08/2009 00:56:40
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JDY,

US 21/08/2009 00:57:19
Cannot blame all Scots...Just like I would really not be blamed for invading Iraq looking for those evil, yet non existent weapons o' mass destruction.

MacAskill is the one who made the decsion...

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Fifi la Bonbon,

21/08/2009 00:57:36
#52 - you might have misunderstood my remark about the potential for racist labielling.

I am saying that the tendency that is emerging to label people from the US in particular who take the view that forgiving an unrepentant murderer is not really compassion as somehow morally inferior is potentially racist.

Right enough, that remark by #60 - "shame on all Scots" - is just as racist and stereotyping as the onesw I have complained about. I put that down to individual ignorance and do not hold the person who made the remark as representative of everyone from the US.

The fact that I disagree with the decision of the Justice minister to release a mass murderer does not mean that comments like that at #60 are acceptable to me.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 00:59:19
From the editorial of Scotlands leading daily newspaper:

'...There is now no doubt that this man is dying of prostate cancer and best estimates suggest he has around three months to live. As Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill observed in announcing his decision: "Mr Megrahi now faces a sentence that has been imposed by a higher power." He was right to observe that a terrorist's mercilessness in carrying out his crime is no reason to deny him compassion in his final days. The capacity to show mercy to the dying is a characteristic that distinguishes a civilised society from a barbaric one. Our judicial system is not based on the notion of "an eye for an eye" and the exercise of clemency in these circumstances demonstrates moral superiority. It is a sign of strength, not weakness, as some may construe it.'

..thats right, from The Herald.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 00:59:21
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BTO not very proud of calling myself a Scot today.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 21/08/2009 01:00:47
60 Pedagoguish

Do you think showing compassion and mercy is beneath contempt, shameful and appalling.

I have no love for this man, and your right he is a mass murderer, and very soon he will face the ultimate justice, more justice than a cell with three meals a day.

He will face the justice of a higher power.

In the meantime, we have shown we are nothing like the terrorist, who have no compassion, beliefs or values.

They want us to be like them, but we, our values and our way of life will prevail.

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JaF,

21/08/2009 01:04:38
The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2 operated by Iran Air as IR655, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children. According to the US government, the Vincennes mistakenly identified the Iranian airliner as an attacking military fighter

In August 1988 Newsweek quoted the vice president George Bush as saying "I'll never apologize for the United States of America, ever. I don't care what the facts are.

The U.S. government issued notes of regret for the loss of innocent human life. The government never admitted wrongdoing, and did not accept responsibility nor submit an apology to the Iranian government.

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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:05:47
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"we have shown we are nothing like the terrorist, who have no compassion, beliefs or values"

Tell that to the 270 victims of Lockerbie then the 3000 victims of the Twin Towers.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

21/08/2009 01:07:45
According to the Times, it really was a hero's welcome -

"A crowd of thousands, many waving Scottish flags, gathered at Tripoli airport to welcome Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi as he stepped down from Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s private jet to the strains of patriotic music.

He had changed from a white tracksuit and baseball cap into a dark suit and tie during the flight and was leaning on a gold-rimmed walking stick as he emerged from the aircraft to be hugged by Colonel Gaddafi’s son.

He was then taken in a motorcade to the city centre, where the main square was lit up in green and blue in preparation for a celebration that included a feast and laser show."

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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:07:50
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Another intellectual statement much like the press realise freeing a mass murderer.

Grow up you clown!
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Soosider,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 01:10:41
A difficult decision, a courageous decision, a principled decision and the correct decision.
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 01:12:23
"I do not believe for a second that Labour or the Conservatives would have allowed Britain's biggest mass murderer to walk out of prison after 8 years"-#10, Justin Timbercake

If you (don't) believe that then you will (not) believe anything.

You have surely heard of "the deal on the desert" whereby Blair, before New Labour gave him the boot, negotiated the Prisoner Transfer Agreement (PTA). It suits Westminster/Whitehall (especially the FO) just fine to say to the Americans, "nothing to do with us."

However, Megrahi's application for transfer under the PTA was, quite properly, rejected by MacAskill after consultations with the bereaved and US authorities. It was treated -as it should have been- on the same basis as if it had been made by a Megrahi who was 100% fit. As we know, he is far from that. I am with Dr Jim Swire on this. The release of Megrahi on compassionate grounds is "a feather in Scotland's Tam O'Shanter."

As for the Tories -do not be fooled by blustering Dave. BP and other oil interests would have seen to it that the Tories were onside if this release were ever in doubt. That goes for the hypocritical US Administration too. It suits their wider national interest just fine that the Megrahi impediment to US access to oil-related business is removed -and somebody else takes the hit (Scotland) in terms of US public opinion. I may disagree with Rabbi Stephaie Steenberg, whose husband was murdered on PAN-AM 103, on Megrahi's release but her political analysis is spot on.

Finally, there is the elephant in the room: the withdrawal of his appeal by Megrahi who departs, still protesting his innocence. Who persuaded him to do this? Could have been, perhaps, an agent of the Libyan government, following Mandy Foy's "accidental" encounter in Corfu with Quadaffi's son?
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:13:18
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Hey JaFfa you sound like a real cake.

Did Libya ever issue a similar statement saying they were sorry for one of their citizens committing mass murder?

Away and have a cup of tea!
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Fletty,

21/08/2009 01:13:30
Tony Blair set up the deal in the desert.
Gordon Brown shook .Gaddafi's hand at the G8.
Peter Mandelson courted Gaddafi's son in Corfu.

Looks like a Labour initiative to me.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

21/08/2009 01:13:55
It gets worse - An internet campaign - http://www.boycottscotland.com/ - urges Americans: “Don't travel to Scotland or do business there (or in the United Kingdom in general) and don't buy any British or Scottish products.”

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CRAGman,

21/08/2009 01:16:40
#58 - the greater mercy is to allow this convicted criminal to die at home surrounded by his family (something he didn't allow his victims just before Christmas in 1988 - but, as I said, two wrongs don't make a right).
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CRAGman,

21/08/2009 01:18:14
# 81 - you're pretty sad (and probably bad as well).
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:19:40
83

How many wrongs do make a right?

As stated before would you be this liberal thinking if one of your relatives were on the doomed flight?

Methinks not.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 21/08/2009 01:20:28
75 Daillyman

The victims of both terrorist outrages would be right to be upset and angry, and emotional. Who could blame them, I don't.

But neither is it right for angry and emotional people to make justice and foreign policy decisions.

It would be like your mum/dad, son/daughter being killed and you being the judge at the trial of the accused.


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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:24:44
86

Thomas this should not be a foreign policy/political decision.

We are talking about a convicted mass murderer who has been allowed to go back to his homeland as a free man and has been welcomed as a hero.

How many of his 270 victims will ever have that same option?
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Albainn Bheadarrach,

21/08/2009 01:29:02
"looks like the worst piece of political judgment made by any politician in Holyrood in a decade of devolution."

Yawn, more anti-SNP headlines from Maddox.

How about a bit of balanced journalism for once rather than the predictable one sided drivel that nobody take seriously any more.

How about the following -

. As covered by The Herald which day by day looks
like a beacon of fairness in contrast.
"Megrahi release today to prevent 'martyrdom'"

Perhaps 'martyrdom' was a preferable option ?
- tinyurl.com/lxk9je

. Perhaps a prisoner transfer that already been setup
in backroom deals by Blair and Brown would have
been the way to go ? Of course not an option since
the America's understood that a transfer could not
happen due an agreement to keep Megrahi in
Scotland and all of a sudden the British became all
shy on the matter and declined the invitation from
Kenny for their representations or provide
information.

see -tinyurl.com/nqee8u

. So a Martyr or compassionate release were the only
two options here. Kenny MacAskill clearly agonised
over this decision and gave fair hearing to all
the facts presented to him and made a
non-political and what he thought a fair
decision, whilst Brit Nats like
Maddox dispense with the facts and within minutes
concoct the usual spin and drivel.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 21/08/2009 01:29:17
Daillyman

This man is still considered guilty of these crimes, and he is not going home to have fun, but to die.

We both know he is no hero, and we also both know he is going to die, sooner rather than later.

I say justice in this case is ultimate, it results in his death, and then his fate will reside with a higher power.



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Albainn Bheadarrach,

21/08/2009 01:29:38
....

Meanwhile of course unelected Lord Mandy freely cavorts with Gadaffi's son and Blair and Brown fall over each shaking the hands of the ultimate master behind Libyan terrorism Gadaffi himself, to try and do a deal to solve England's energy crisis.
Who ever blew up Pan-Am the ultimate one who orderd the pulling of the trigger was Gadaffi yet
the British are just falling over themselves to worship at the feet of the real mass-murder. The hypocrisy here of the Brit Nats stinks to high heaven and it is clear that they and the American are mired in the most nauseating
scheming here, whilst Kenny MacAskill took a higher road, even if you disagree with him, and took a principled and compassionate stance rather having some imperialistic agenda behind it. The British and Americans are welcome to their pathetic games, their illegal wars, massive arms shipments and 'investments' in WMDs, Scotland needs none of it.

Also perhaps Mr Maddox you could undertake some real investigative journalism and ask why the British and
Americans are so resistant to a public inquiry on Lockerbie and indeed the illegal Iraq War. Their reputation on the world stage is not something Scotland aspires to.
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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:33:49
90 Thomas

Rather than go on all night regarding this murderer.

I will leave you saying I hope he suffers like hell and for along time before he passes on, and his fate will not be decided by a higher power that is for you and I.

I hope he faces the burning flames of hell and burns there for eternity.
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Thomas79,

Aysrhire 21/08/2009 01:37:58
Daillyman

Hell is certainly more justice than Greenock prison can offer.

We have done our bit, and shown compassion and mercy (some argue too much) but now we must wash our hands of it.

His ultimate fate awaits him, and I suggest it may be far worse than scottish justice.

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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 01:41:53
"From the editorial of Scotlands leading daily newspaper:

'...He was right to observe that a terrorist's mercilessness in carrying out his crime is no reason to deny him compassion in his final days. The capacity to show mercy to the dying is a characteristic that distinguishes a civilised society from a barbaric one....'
..thats right, from The Herald."-#68, Vivas

Have you done your research?

"History will record Megrahi's release as the right decision" -Leader in today's Hootsmon
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Albainn Bheadarrach,

21/08/2009 01:45:44
92 Daillyman

"I hope he faces the burning flames of hell and burns there for eternity."

And how about the paymaster of the mass murder here ? Whether or not Megrahi was guilty there is no doubt that the pay master and proud sponsor of terrorism Gaddafi is the ultimate guilty party so presumably must also face the "burning flames of hell and burns there for eternity" ?

And how about those like Blair and Brown who are worshiping at the feet of Gadaffi all smiles and hand shaking whilst doing backroom deals with the devil,
what should be their fate ?

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Daillyman,

21/08/2009 01:51:58
95

Albainn Numpty.

When they are convicted of murdering 270 people they can face the same punishment in hell as your hero.
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Hong Kong Phooey,

21/08/2009 01:58:07
When Blair signed the prisoner transfer agreement with Libya this was a done deal so the UK Central Government's stance of this was a devolved decision is complete bull. How many UK citizens are in jail in Libya that need transferred back to UK prisons. Blair signing this agreement in the first place does not make sense....and did the US Government put pressure on Blair not to sign this deal??

If this guy was to die in a Scottish prison then he would have been seen as a martyr and Scotland would once again be the target for every half cracked arab terrorist.

I hope he does not make a miracle recovery and then we will look like a country full of village idiots!
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Albainn Bheadarrach,

21/08/2009 02:01:42

94 Cynicus Unbound,

"History will record Megrahi's release as the right decision" -Leader in today's Hootsmon

The article is good, but to describe it as a Leader is simply not the case certainly as far as the online edition goes where you would need to wade through several headlines down and of course dig through the usual highly placed SNP loathing stories by Maddox then , and just then some people might find it. It currently has two comments as opposed to 95 and 9 in the higher placed Maddox leaders - strange coincidence is that not ?

Just to help those find the article which shines like a beacon of enlightenment compared to the rabid rantings of Maddox here is the link.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/comment/History-will-record-Megrahi39s-release.5575342.jp

Makes it a bit eastier rather than having trawl through the Scotsman's careful constructed catacomb of 'leaders' which include

"Hero's welcome for the man who murdered 270 "
"Saltires waving in Tripoli branded 'sickening' "
"Scots law is now 'laughing stock of the world' "
"David Maddox: Hero's welcome is nightmare for SNP"
"Anger as Americans wake to hear news"

Interestingly this time the Scotsman have surpassed themselves by hiding the one positive story deep in the catacomb just after the daily cartoon !!

* Comments
* Cartoon
* History will record Megrahi's release as the right decision

Is it too much to hope for fair and balanced reporting - evidently in this so called British democracy it is way too much to hope for.
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CRAGman,

21/08/2009 02:17:21
I'm a Unionist (and also a proud trade unionist) and proud to be Scottish every day.

re. the main story:

Micah 6:8 - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


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Fifi la Bonbon,

21/08/2009 02:29:27
Who is this Micah, and what does he have to do with this issue?

I looked him up on the internet. Apparently Micah prophesied throughout the reigns of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, roughly 737–690 BC.

It isn't clear to me how quoting something this old boy supposedly said 2800 years ago justifies letting a mass murderer home to a hero's welcome. Maybe he appeared in a vision to Kenny McAskill while he was locked away deep in thought.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:33:54
@60 "Shame, shame, shame on Scotland and on all Scots. You have allowed a serial murderer to go free."

No we haven't, you illiterate halfwit. IF Megrahi is the bomber - and that's a pretty big if - then we've released a MASS murderer, not a serial one.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:35:41
@98 "It currently has two comments as opposed to 95 and 9 in the higher placed Maddox leaders - strange coincidence is that not ?"

Well, it's probably more to do with the fact that it's premium content, and so most people can only read the first 50 words of it. That tells its own story too, of course.
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davehalifax,

Nova Scotia, Canada 21/08/2009 02:36:00
I live in the province of Nova Scotia in Canada and we are seriously considering a name change.
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suileandubh,

melbourne australia 21/08/2009 02:37:41
I am proud to be Scots on this day. Proud that MacAskill stood up for what he believed in and did NOT bow down to the US. Clearly the rreporting of events by this newspaper isn't even neutral. where did quality objective journalism go? if you read the Herald's reporting you will find a very different point of view.
Hard news is meant to be reporting of FACTS not passing the opinion via journos. Save teh opinion for the editorial but even then you ought to be objective.
The right decision was made for the right reasons.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:37:59
@96 "When they are convicted of murdering 270 people they can face the same punishment in hell as your hero."

Blair and Bush and Brown have a hundred times as much blood on their hands as Megrahi, even if Megrahi IS the Lockerbie bomber. If you want them convicted in a court of law, find somewhere that'll put them on trial.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:38:43
@105 "I live in the province of Nova Scotia in Canada and we are seriously considering a name change."

I should hope so too. You're hardly new any more.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:41:22
@69 "BTO not very proud of calling myself a Scot today."

It's okay, we're not proud that you're a Scot either.
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DollyDimple,

21/08/2009 02:44:01
Hey Timbercake, you serious? Labour paved the way for this day to arrive. Blair and Gaddafi, Brown and Gaddafi just a few weeks back in their wee "private" chat. The big issue? Lose the appeal! So you can spin till you're dizzy but you fool no one. This is what Blair wanted and its what Brown and Straw wanted to. They can now hang on to all that evidence they have been sitting on and refusing to hand over as the Libyan's appeal developed. And any day now the reason for all of that will become clear. Oil! Trade! And the diry stuff - money! All done by Labour not the SNP.
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suileandubh,

21/08/2009 02:44:56
And why should Scotland bother that the US is angry? Just to keep them on side in case they're useful for something one day. No disrespect whatsoever to the US victims of Lockerbie but they always bay for blood when one of them is violated etc, on foreign soil. And Americans like to have 'closure' quickly. Neatly wrapped up. We all know there is nothing worse than Americans wanting revenge or their definition of justice. A country that still has death sentences! When the US begins to show compassion for others . . . well perhaps that's too much to imagine.
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smiddy3006,

Scotland 21/08/2009 02:46:24
MacAskill has made a monumental 'mistake' and has now put Independence of Scotland way beyond the people of Scotland for generations. You don't think the British and American governments are not going to manipulate and influence (money, money and advisors) the upocoming vote now do you?? Naive in the extreme is this SNP government. And who wrote his speech? A primary school kid!!
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Fletty,

21/08/2009 02:47:41
Maddox was clearly having a field day getting to type so many anti-Scottish stories in one day.

When buying the Herald tommorow folks, please take care not to drop accidently all the Newsagents copies of The Scotsman into a big puddle outside the front door. In the gutter where it belongs
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Evidenced Based Thinking Please,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 02:52:44
It is churlish to imagine this is an SNP vs the rest matter. One need not be a Unionist to deprecate Mr Macaskill's comments. His allusions to a higher power were entirely inappropriate - does having prostate cancer suggest some visitation from God? What an appalling suggestion. None of us knows precisely why Salmond told Macaskill to release a convicted mass murderer, but whether one likes it or not, today was the day the SNP kissed goodbye to any possible future support from the US and its pro-independence constituency. A very large number of US citizens were murdered, and Scotland assumed the responsibility for prosecuting the crime and ensuring anyone convicted would serve their full sentence. Scotland had an international responsibily. Clearly, it failed on both counts. It is no day to be proud - Scotland failed in prosecuting this crime to an internatioanlly acceptable standard, it failed in demonstrating a robust system of appeal, its government failed to explain lucidly how it arrived at the decision for release, and it failed to meet its international obligations. If releasing convicted murderers is a way to make some contributors proud, then there are surely opporunities aplenty.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 02:57:40
@116 "A very large number of US citizens were murdered, and Scotland assumed the responsibility for prosecuting the crime and ensuring anyone convicted would serve their full sentence."

Megrahi did serve his full sentence. All sentences passed under Scots law include the possibility of early release on compassionate grounds.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 21/08/2009 03:00:31
This brings total shame on Scotland. As a proud Scot all I can do is apologise on behalf of the nation to all the families of the victims.
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 03:01:18
Can I ask those who automatically backed Kenny MacAskill's decision to free Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, are you still confident that decision was the right one after the Libyan public’s hero’s welcome for the released prisoner?


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DisgustedYank,

USA 21/08/2009 03:07:52
By the way, is anyone aware of the fact that "Prostate cancer tends to develop in men over the age of fifty and although it is one of the most prevalent types of cancer in men, many never have symptoms, undergo no therapy, and eventually die of other causes. This is because cancer of the prostate is, in most cases, slow-growing, symptom free and men with the condition often die of causes unrelated to the prostate cancer..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostate_cancer)

You could probably release 90% of all the criminals imprisoned all over the world who are over age 50 on the exact same grounds. In reality, most will live for decades, but if a physician wants to say, "He has cancer and I think that he has chances of dying," then all could gain a release.

Also, shouldn't the British Nat Health be held responsible for "allowing" this poor gent to reach a fatal point on an incredibly treatable disease? His doctors should be prosecuted for malpractice, and if he dies, for murder. Of course, this would not happen, because THIS IS A FABRICATION. See: http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/prostate/survival/

This is to say that probably 90% of the readers of this very column who are male and over age 50 probably could be found to have "prostate cancer." If a doctor says that Mr Al Megrahi has 3 months to live, that's just that one MD's OPINION. But based on this easily FAKABLE prognosis, a mass murderer was let go "for compassion." How about this: if he is found to be alive 91 days from now, will the persons in the Scottish government and the UK Health Service who made this decision be willing to serve the life sentence of the murderer, on behalf of the 250+ victims, their families, Justice, and the honor of Britain itself?
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 03:11:31
@ 118 "As a proud Scot all I can do is apologise on behalf of the nation to all the families of the victims."


What, including all the ones who support the release? I suspect I know where they'd like to shove your apology.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 03:12:07
@ 119 "Can I ask those who automatically backed Kenny MacAskill's decision to free Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, are you still confident that decision was the right one after the Libyan public’s hero’s welcome for the released prisoner?"


Yes. You may go ahead and ask that.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 03:13:41
@ 120 "If a doctor says that Mr Al Megrahi has 3 months to live, that's just that one MD's OPINION. But based on this easily FAKABLE prognosis, a mass murderer was let go "for compassion." How about this: if he is found to be alive 91 days from now, will the persons in the Scottish government and the UK Health Service who made this decision be willing to serve the life sentence of the murderer, on behalf of the 250+ victims, their families, Justice, and the honor of Britain itself?"


Yes. I believe they definitely will.
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Beth Boyle,

NY 21/08/2009 03:14:26
It's a sad day for justice that Blair and BP made this deal for oil and let the man who killed 270 people return to Libya to a hero's welcome. I am shocked to my very heart.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 03:16:43
@125 "I am shocked to my very heart."


What, that not everyone on Earth shares America's determination to exact savage revenge for any injury, regardless of whether that revenge is directed at the party responsible or an innocent bystander? That shocks you? Really? Honestly?
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 03:17:22
"94 Cynicus Unbound,

"History will record Megrahi's release as the right decision" -Leader in today's Hootsmon

The article is good, but to describe it as a Leader is simply not the case....."-#98, Albainn Bheadarrach

You reveal, I'm afraid, an ignorance of the meaning of the term "leader." It means the same thing as an editorial -the unsigned statement of a newspaper's position on the topic under discussion. It has nothing whatever to do with what appears on the front page or whatever signed story "leads" the online edition.

Thus it is nonsense to talk of "the higher placed Maddox leaders."

Maddox doesn't write leaders. A leader-writer (anonymous) who may be the editor does that.

If you want fast access to The Scotsman leaders of the day then click on the "Opinion" link on the left-hand side. It expands to various categories: Comment, Leaders, Letters (online newspaper) and Cartoon.

Here to help.
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Jim Forsythe,

Sandia Park 21/08/2009 03:18:02
Sick. Sick. Sick. Scotland should be ashamed of itself for releasing this animal. Execution is too good for him.
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 03:22:12
"MYRA HINDLEY was never released. Described as the most evil womwn in British history. Any Thoughts"-#121, nemone

YES.

She4 wasn't released to die in a hospice in the UK for security reasons. MacAskill ruled out the same option for Megrahi, for the same reasons, as the Home Secretary did for Hindley.
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Josiecamp,

San Francisco 21/08/2009 03:25:51
There is dancing in the streets of Tripoli and later today they will be serving Haggis and Malt Whisky to honour the unwitting Scottish collaborators to the Lockaarbie massacre of local and United States citizens. Maybe it's time to forgive the butchers of Culloden and why not create a Scottish sainthood for Adolf Hitler. As an American I am disgusted with the idiotic claim to Scottish justice.
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smiddy3006,

21/08/2009 03:25:55
What about all the other prisoners in Scottish prisons who may have a terminal illness? Are they all going to be released and if not why not? Human Rights challenges all round! Well done Mr MacAskill you really have excelled yourself this time - perhaps because you recall what it is like to be on the other side of the bars (remember 1999 , London at the Scotland game? Drunk and Disorderly was it? - think you've done the same again).
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shutuplabourscum,

greenock 21/08/2009 03:27:37
one comment from me please dicuss.

Labour goverment release train robber and murderer Ronnie biggs on compassionate release.

what is the diffrence now?
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 03:27:41
"Sick. Sick. Sick. Scotland should be ashamed of itself for releasing this animal. Execution is too good for him."-#128, Jim Forsythe

Many of us here,including some relatives of those murdered on Pan Am 103, are unpersuaded, Mr Forsythe, as to Megrahi's guilt. If we are right then his case will forever be a standing rebuke to those who advocate "execution."
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 03:33:42
Could Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi have a case for suing the Scottish government for their negligence in missing or not screening for such a common problem as prostate cancer?
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

21/08/2009 03:34:09
Iran Air Flight 655, was a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles on Sunday July 3, 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War.

The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, UAE, when it was destroyed by the U.S. Navy's guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard, including 66 children, ranking it the seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities.

After completing their tour, the crew of the Vincennes was awarded Combat Action Ribbons for having actively participated in ground or surface combat, and the captain received the Legion of Merit, issued for; "exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding services and achievements".

Russell Brown, Labour MP for Dumfries, described the scenes as "stomach churning".

Tory MP David Mundell, whose constituency includes Lockerbie, said: "These reports are sickening".

Obama said "This is a big mistake".

Well!

They didn't, did they?

Dead rag-heads don't count in their book and only westerners have the right to "closure".

Obama thinks that Western democracies have a right to kill innocent people with impunity and Middle Eastern dictatorships don't?

Until we the people challange this warped neo-con ideology...the killing will go on for ever.








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TimCam,

Lexington, KY US 21/08/2009 03:36:46
I used to like the idea of the SNP but I'm starting to see the Unionist's point. MacAskill has illustrated why a country the size of our state of Minnesota is better off in a union -- as Minnesota is with 49 other states: you have a better talent pool.

Scotland is such a terrific country with such wonderful people. I'm afraid you are about to feel, as we have during the Bush years, the sting of unpopularity. Those of you so cavalier are doing your countrymen a disservice.
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A Bute Boyd,

Morristown, Tennessee, USA 21/08/2009 03:37:38
I wore a proud St. Andrews Cross on my car, my motorcycle, my rain jacket, my ties, everything I owned. I have my Stewart Clan tartan on my clothing. I was proud to have sprung from the Scotland who stood up to English oppression and terrorism. Scotland the Brave. Now, they let a vicious baby murderer and coward go free, free to spend the rest of his life with his family, free to kill other babies, mothers, fathers, and children. We all know he will do it, again. What happened to my Scotland? The Proclaimers: "We fight - when they ask us. We boast - then we cower. We beg for a piece of what's already ours...I can't understand why we let someone else rule our land, cap in hand..."
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 03:38:28
#133: They will serve neither haggis nor whisky in Tripoli. Both are HAMAR (off limits to Muslims), especially alcohol.

Your comment will offend many of us here. Probably Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora was murdered on Flight 103, will NOT be amongst us for he is a most forgiving man. he has long believed in Megrahi's innocence and today applauded the decision to allow him to die in Libya. To stigmatise this bereaved father as a collaborator is absurd.

His family has long connecections with the Isle of Skye (where Flora is buried) and, for all I know, his forbears may have suffered at Culloden too. Please try to mollify your anger by reading more than headlines or hearing Fox News soundbites.
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 03:38:55
(#135) – (The Col. of Monte Cristo) – Since when has Obama been considered to be a neo-con?
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TimCam,

Lexington, KY US 21/08/2009 03:41:14
135 The Col. of Monte Cristo

Total lies and distortions. Speak the truth, your lies have no resonance.

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shutuplabourscum,

21/08/2009 03:41:16
labour goverment released ronnie biggs and reggie kray on compassionate grounds, can these stupid labour supporters explain what view's they have on this?
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miboard,

USA 21/08/2009 03:42:35
Are you kidding me?? This is playing out just as I said earlier today. Welcomed home as a hero of the state and people of Libya. I'm sure the Libyan regime is having top-notch cancer specialists looking at this guy tonight.

If he dies and that's questionable. He'll have his family surrounding him, able to tell them goodbye, morphine to easy his pain, his family taken care of for life, and die a Libyan hero.

Lockerbie victims. Died, blown apart at 31,000ft unable to say goodbye to their loved ones. Scottish citizens killed by debris raining on their village, watching tv, eating dinner with family. How fitting?

Your Justice Minister MacAskill with his arrogance and high-minded ideals, nothing more than political theater. Hiding behind words like "procedure" and "application process" for Megrahi who has no remorse. Strength would be saying "no."

You, the people of Scotland should feel proud to see the St Andrews Cross / Flag of Scotland waving at the Tripoli Airport.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

21/08/2009 03:47:00
#130 Josiecamp

As a Scotsman, I am disgusted with the idiotic claim to Scottish justice, that Magrahi's so called trial was.

That apart, guilty or innocent the remainder of his life is to be measured in a few excruciatingly painful morphine dulled weeks...would it make you Yanks happier, if they were televised by a reality TV camera-crew?
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Marco Matamoros,

USA 21/08/2009 03:49:36
MacAsskill will make a good DHIMMI.
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

21/08/2009 03:50:53
#139 Ewan Randall,

Clue : Theme song of one of the CSI TV shows.
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DocHolliday65,

Midwest USA 21/08/2009 03:53:12
Lets hope we start seeing some cool new T-Shirts with the face of Al-Megrahi with the Saltire in the back ground. Those Che Guevara T-Shirts that all the European youth wear (yea, I saw a kid with one on last week in Edinburgh) are so 70's. Now every would be terrorist in Libya and Islamdom has a new martyr to worship. But hey, Scotland is a democracy and I can't argue the fact that a democratic decision was made on his release. I don't have to like it, but I can sure respect it.

I can only hope that Allah dispenses the right justice in the end. Let's all face it, he might not have been the trigger man, but he played a role, even if it was a passive role. And Gadaffi never stood up before the world and let it be known that Mr. Al-Megrahi had nothing to do with the bombing, that he (Gadaffi) was ultimately responsible. No, Gadaffi made nice with the world and bought himself out of terrorist business and all is well in Libya.

As for our Scottish allies, I appreciate the fact that Scotlands sons and daughters are taking on the hard task of removing terrorism from the world, and I believe their sacrifice is a noble one. I'm an American Soldier and I have been to Iraq twice and Afghanistan once, and I mourn the loss of all my "Comrades-in-Arms", irregardless of the country. But as an old soldier's saying goes: Ours is not to question why, ours is but to do or die! Politicians make the decisions, soldiers execute them. So my Scottish brothern (I have Scottish Blood flowing through my veins: MacDonald and Burnside), you may easily give up on us in the USA, but when the tough times come, and they will, we will not give up on you.
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Josiecamp,

San Francisco 21/08/2009 03:54:25
My son has just suggested that there is an opportunity for some enterprising Scottish entrepreneur to create a Megrahi Tartan or even a motif for a Royal Bank of Scotland Five Pound Note like they did for Jack Nickla. Scotland loves a hero!
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 03:55:14
(#141) – (shutuplabourscum) – Didn’t Ronnie Biggs and Reggie Kray gain their release due in part for mass public support, and the knowledge by the public they had not had anything to do with blowing any airplane out of the sky in a terrorist act?
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TimCam,

Lexington, KY US 21/08/2009 03:56:50
#137: Brother I am with you, the fierce and just image of history's great warriors Scotland is all gone now. It's not going to much fun being a Scotland lover in the states, if I can keep calling myself that.

Campbell in Kentucky
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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

21/08/2009 04:00:49
#140 TimCam,Lexington, KY

Flight 655 was shot down by missile cruiser USS Vincennes, killing 290 civillians.

Do you think I am lying?

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The Col. of Monte Cristo,

21/08/2009 04:02:10
#140 TimCam,Lexington, KY

Do you think the BBC is lying?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/15/newsid_3975000/3975455.stm
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stephen mccall,

Lomita,Ca 21/08/2009 04:02:31
Josie 130 yes perhaps we erred in being compassionate to this thouroughly evil individual,however i think history will cast us in a better light than the British crown for its treatment of the "Scottish rebels" at Culloden moor some 260 years ago.Better a soft heart than no heart.
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 04:04:05
"135 The Col. of Monte Cristo

Total lies and distortions. Speak the truth, your lies have no resonance."-#140, TimCam,Lexington, KY US

There is political rhetoric-and arguably distortion-towards the end of his post. But his account of the downing of the Iranian civilian aircraft by the USS Vincennes is uncontroversial, a matter of historical record.

Furthermore, the local law enforcers here (the Dumfries and Galloway Police) who investigated Lockerbie, rapidly connected the two scenarios. They concluded that Pan Am 103 was a contract bombimg by Iran, farmed out to a Syrian-based Palestinian splinter group (PFLP) headed by the Marxist George Habash.

Only when British spooks, the CIA etc. became involved did the focus of the investigation change to Libya. Both Iran and Syria were needed on board the coalition -or at least not opposing it- to expel Saddam Huussein from Kuwait in 1991. To finger Syria and iran for Lockerbie would have jeopardised Operation Desret Storm. A patsy had to be found.

The CIA wanted to stop the Maltese government's busting of sanctions to Libya, whose agent in Malta was Megrahi. You didn't know that, did you? Draw your own conclusions.
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SassyC,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 04:04:42
No:10 Justine Timbercake - Are you a cake or two short of a picnic? You say neither Labour nor the Conservatives would have allowed a mass murderer to walk out of prison after 8 years. Don't you know that the original deal was undertaken by Mr. B. Liar of the Labour Party?
To quote Susan Cohen: 'we have heard of that proud little Country but you are still in the grips of the British Empire'. Exactly! If we weren't in the grips of the Union perhaps Mr McAskills hands wouldn't have been tied......
ps re your accusation of a toy town administration - we've not yet got independence so can't have a full say as once again hands are tied but that day will come, never fear!!!!
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Baggy Troosers,

21/08/2009 04:06:30
#105

What a stupid comment ,well while you're at it change DaveHalifax to Dic*khead as well.
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suileandubh,

21/08/2009 04:09:18
To all you Americans who think Scotland is wrong. Every time an Iranian or Afghani or Iraqui is killed ( as were Vietnamese) by the US do you ever ever think that the world does not revolve around your determination to uphold American lives? With respect for the victims' families from both sides of the Atlantic, this wasn't only about Americans. You are NOT in charge of the rest of the world. Yes, America there is a 'rest of the world'. Thank God someone has had the strength to stand against your domineering pressure.
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DocHolliday65,

Midwest USA 21/08/2009 04:11:46
#153

The US was baited into shoting down the Iranian Airbus, as multiple radar targets were identified near the area of the plane and forensics confirmed that the victims (and I use that term loosely) were dead long before the airplane was shot down. Reports from recovering the remains, which accurred within a couple hours of the incident found that the bodies were in a more advanced state of decay than would be possible in a few hours time. And there's a saying we have in the US military when it comes to making the decision as to whether or not to engage a potential hostile; "Better to be judged by twelve, then carried by six" If you've been in a similar situation, you'll know what I mean; if you haven't, then you have no grounds to judge.
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suileandubh,

21/08/2009 04:12:23
Why do we only hear from one Susan Cohen? is she the spokesperson for all victims' families? there are victims' families in the UK who have the ability to show compassion. But they're not American are they? As for Obama, well first and foremost he is an American and perhaps he can only show compassion for AMericans.
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SassyC,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 04:13:00
No:136: Hoi!! Don't blame us Scots for a done deal by an Englishman - namely Mr. Tony Blair! Ever heard of being presented with a fait accompli? I remember when your Country was really unpopular (not so very long ago) I visited your Embassy in Holland and the Guard there was so grateful for a Scottish family showing their allegiance when everybody else was avoiding it like the plague......
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 04:15:01
(#146) – (The Col. of Monte Cristo) – Am I not right in thinking that the theme songs for the CSI TV shows are as follows: CSI – Who are you, CSI: Miami – Won't get fooled again, and CSI:NY – Baba O’Riley?

Which one of the theme songs do you believe links Obama and the neo-cons?
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 04:22:42
"127 Cynicus Unbound

Hmm, I stand corrected and bow to your superior knowledge of Scotsman terminology"-#151, Albainn Bheadarrach

Well, beam me up Scotty!

It is not Scotsman terminology but newspaper terminology. Google "Leader" and you will get a definition. Here's one:

"The first, or the principal, editorial article in a newspaper; a leading or main editorial article."

For our baffled American visitors, we are talking Op-Ed pages here.

Good night.
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SassyC,

Edimburgh 21/08/2009 04:24:16
No:137: You carry on being a proud Scotsman. You have it right when you quote the Proclaimers : I can't understand why we let someone else rule our land, cap in hand......Also think of the song by Barbara Dickson, A parcel of rogues in a nation...The rogues aren't in Scotland you know, at least not the rogues you are referring to! Read the report and my comments nos 157 and 162 and understand this!!!
To you I say keep patriotic, keep strong and keep believing we have the right to rule our own land!
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Cynicus Unbound,

21/08/2009 04:25:03
#160;

Remind us. What is that earthy American term for bovine excrement?
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Baggy Troosers,

21/08/2009 04:30:33
What a load of hysterical nonsense being posted tonight.

This man has'nt been pardoned

This man has'nt been forgiven

This man has'nt been sent home with flowers in his hair

This man is dying a slow and painful death which if he is guilty of this crime then probably deserves.

I did not hear any sympathy for this man in MacAskills speech.

The only difference seems to be that instead of dying here he has been sent back to libya to perish.

If this man has been given a hero'es welcome in libya then it does'nt say much for blair and Nu-Labour who not long ago was in the desert kissing Gadaffi's ar*se and welcoming him and his country back into the international community.

No the roots of this sorry mess are well and truly at the Labour party's door in London ,who when signing the Prisoner Transfer Agreement with Libya ,knew da*mn fine there was only one Libyan prisoner in Scotland.

It was abundantly clear to any independently thinking person that MacAskill was going to be skinned alive no matter which route he took ,the Unionist support had their claws sharpened and ready as soon as this story broke.

Incidentally i dont necessary agree with the decision ,
i personally think he should have stayed in jail for what little time he had left and Mr MacAskill would have saved himself a lot of grief.

Therefor i take my hat off to MacAskill for sticking to his guns knowing full well the flack that was going to come his way.
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 04:30:42
(#162) – (SassyC) – Did I miss any sound bites over this event by the Scottish government testifying to the decision being a done deal before Kenny MacAskill made his deliberations?
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Tess McClure,

USA 21/08/2009 04:33:44
PanAm103...The Murrah Bombing in Oklahoma City...September 11th. I have NO compassion or Mercy for terrorists. And any country that does...Is Foolish.
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Castaway™ ,

21/08/2009 04:37:30
Kenny MacAskill had a difficult decision to make and I feel he made the correct one.
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 04:44:40
(#160) – (DocHolliday65) – As the American military were involved with the incident in question, can you supply corroborating evidence by independent, non-American, agencies which support the evidence you have placed before us that the passengers on the Iranian Airbus were in fact dead before the incident?
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macthefierceone,

21/08/2009 04:50:45
#160 Doc Holliday. I like your style Doc. This piece of excrement should have been allowed to die in jail, preferably without the assistance of morphine or other pain killing drugs. Pain is wonderful for focussing on how it might have been
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Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 21/08/2009 04:55:51
Disgusting. MacAskill has made Scotland a laughing stock around the world.

Terminally ill? I am sure that the clean desert air will allow him to make a miraculous recovery!!!!
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 04:56:26
(#175) – (Barrett Bonden) – Wasn’t Tim McVey an ex military man?

What makes you believe this ex military man couldn’t have rigged a bomb capable of inflicting the type of devastation which occurred in Oklahoma?

What exactly is your evidence which suggests it is not possible for Tim McVey to have perpetrated the bombing?
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SassyC,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 04:59:24
No 171: No you didn't miss any soundbites because that was never an option! We're only allowed to know what they want us to know.......and by that I don't mean the SNP as in one way or another they would have had their hands tied in this situation. One reason could have been a recognition by those in power that releasing the prisoner would not be a popular decision hence the handing over of the task to the Scottish Parliament. A poisoned chalice indeed.
The one thing you can be sure of is that Mr. B.Liar will have achieved what he wanted to happen by foul means not fair!!!
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 05:03:26
(#174) – (Castaway™) – In light of the heroes welcome the terrorist received on arrival back in Libya why exactly do you believe Kenny MacAskill’s decision was the correct one?
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klaxxon,

Texas USA 21/08/2009 05:16:23
I wish that piece of filth had been sent here to Texas..we'd have made sure he met Allah long before he became ill...
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 05:22:50
(#181) – (SassyC) – When you say, “No you didn’t miss any soundbites because that was never an option!” what proofs have you to prove that is the case?

Who are you talking about when you say “they” in “We’re only allowed to know what they want us to know”?

Why do you believe the SNP government would have had their hands tied in this situation?

What proofs do you have that the SNP government would have had their hands tied in this situation?

When you say “could” in “One reason could have been a recognition by those in power that releasing the prisoner would not be a popular decision…” is this not because you are having a stab in the dark because you really do not have a clue if what you say has any substance at all?

Isn’t it true that if the SNP Scottish government could bring forward evidence that their hands were being tied in this situation then is it not more likely that they would have more likely used this for political gain to aide a split from the union?
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Ewan Randall,

21/08/2009 05:29:15
(#183) – (klaxxon) – Can you please clarify how you resurrect those who are later found to have been innocent?
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rickypop,

x 21/08/2009 05:31:32
The UK & US governments 100% behind the release (behind closed doors), or there would have been no release.
If there had been a proper enquiry the truth would have came out.
The real question is why US officials were told not to fly on that flight.
The events here & related questions re 7/7, 9/11 & David Kelly etc are what everyone of us should be worrying about.
Im afraid the UK & US are the worlds terrorists in its pursuit for oil & wealth.
One question...why are we in Iraq & Afghanistan... My answer OIL GAS & OIL PIPELINES.
Dont believe the media, search for the truth.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

21/08/2009 05:33:07
The correct decision, delivered in a solemn and dignified manner.

If it has upset a few rabid unionistas, well, that can be seen as a bonus.
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mark mccann,

21/08/2009 05:40:32
This whole sorry episode sickens me, the U.K. government just did a deal with Libya on a prisoner exchange deal, when we all know that the bombing was a Libyan state sponsored reaction to the "accidental" downing of a Libyan airliner off the coast of the U.S.
Kenny MacAskill has chosen the only decision that ultimately, we will all see as the right one.
Unfortunately this has turned into a political dog fight but only because of the weak and morally corrupt gesturing by the British government and the original, unbelievable mistake by that U.S. navy ship off the Eastern seaboard of the United States.
Al Meghari was a pawn of the Libyan government who we are now all supposed to treat as a friend. The blame for this mess doesn't lie with MacAskill, nor with Meghari but with the U.S., Gadaffi, and the U.K.
I remember crying as I watched the news that fateful night when those bodies rained down on Lockerbie, now I feel like crying again as the political posturing and insults rain down on our proud and compassionate country. Scotland was the victim that night, and once again we are being punished for the sickening politics of this new world order.
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SassyC,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 05:53:19
No 181: Firstly Ewan - the plural of proof is proof not proofs! Now we've got that cleared up - I refer you to the so-called deal in the desert in 2007 - made before Alex Salmond came to power therefore it is fair to surmise that he was presented with a fait accompli in this respect given that it led to his first major disagreement with the UK Government and indeed his warning them of exactly the situation which has just occurred - namely the early release of the prisoner. I believe that the SNP would have had their hands tied in this respect because the situation was one they INHERITED not one of their MAKING.
Next - Bureaucracy has always operated by keeping facts from the Plebs and only letting them know what is deemed desireable for them to know. If you have ever worked in a management position you will know this.
Thirdly anyone looking at the bigger picture could predict that there would be a backlash to this event happening. It doesn't need an Einstein to figure that one out just an educated guess.
As for your last comment well the truth has a habit of coming out!

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SassyC,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 05:56:00
Sorry comment 192 is in response to Ewan Randall's comment 184!
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stephen mccall,

Lomita,Ca 21/08/2009 05:57:24
Governments seldom represent the people they govern.The U.S. and the U.K. are by and large among the most decent God fearing populaces on Earth,too bad their leaders are pursuing policies dictated by greed and worse motives.
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mark mccann,

21/08/2009 05:59:04
Thankyou for the correction Barrett, and I apologise for the mistake, however if I said an Islamic airliner instead of a Libyan one would that make a difference?
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Tess McClure,

USA 21/08/2009 06:05:41
Ah Barret (185) I'm sorry, I thought you were a bit delusional, but now I see you're just stupid. For some reason that makes me feel better.
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stephen mccall,

Lomita,Ca 21/08/2009 06:06:27
Done for the night,thanks to our brave men and women in uniform on both sides of the pond,pray that they all may come home swiftly.
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Ron Thomson,

calonge 21/08/2009 06:21:36
If any of the Royals had been on that plane, would they have still done the same thing and let him go, i dont think so he would have been kept till he died one way or the other, SNP has lost my Vote i would never think of Voting for them again, i think that is time for Fat Salmond to gooooooooooooooooooo.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 06:48:38
#198 - You have never voted SNP in yer puff mate. You shouldn't have put the "fat salmond" comment in, might have believed you.

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mwalsh,

Boston, Massachusetts 21/08/2009 06:49:50
I have never visited your great country land of Scotland but was suppose to last year but our flights went on strike. I was looking forward to visiting Edinburgh. I must say your country should hold it's head down in disgust over this decision to release someone that has killed so many innocent victims. People are making this into a political thing with Libya and the bad bad west but the bottom line is your leaders of your country released a man who killed many American "college students returning home for christmas to spend with their families" and your own. For those that have posted things about Americans and our values you have no idea how strong our values are here in America. You may see the news and the circus of politics as usual but hard working americans understand the values that our country stands for that many other countries could only dream of. For those saying glib things about Americans, all I have to say is I would love to see your reaction if this was your son or daughter returning home for the holidays and was blown to pieces in mid-air. You disgust me and unfortunately your beautiful country disgusts me today.

I speak for 95% of Americans, the other 5% are also clueless.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 06:56:09
#200 - Go and read up on the case, see whether you think he actually did it, I dont think he is.

And even it was Libya, he was a very small cog in the machine, and it should have been Col Gadafi who should have been in the dock, but our PMs and your Presidents are quite happy now to meet and trade with him.

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Scozzy,

Aus 21/08/2009 07:02:22
Unfortunatley the hostile reaction from around the world to the badly handled release of a terrorist convicted under Scots law does Scotland no favours and sends out the wrong message to his ilk.

Furthermore, if the claims are true that in the lack of proper evidence he was a merely a convenient scapegoat then Scotland is even more sullied by its actions.

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Phil C,

21/08/2009 07:10:06
Despite my original feelings that Megrahi should die here, I wake up this morning with my life a little bit more enriched. The right thing was done after much quiet thought and deliberation. COMPASSION.

MacAskill and the Scottish government deserve nothing but praise for the way they have conducted themselves throughout this difficult period. Whether Megrahi deserved compassion is another matter, but enough doubts existed about his guilt, to give the benefit of that doubt to his family. Mind you, if Megrahi is still walking around in 6 months, I'll shoot him myself!

I am proud of what my country has done, while ashamed that Libyans could react in the way they did. It is they that should bear the brunt of any disdain, along with the rabid howlers on here who are nothing but a disgrace to themselves and their countries too.
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Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 21/08/2009 07:13:41
The three patsies' (Suicide Bombers) who were instructed to board the London underground trains and to get into the right carriage and stand in the designated positions....all missed the trains! So that when the bombs went off...they were somewhere else, still carrying the dud explosive backpacks....and they weren't blown up so they couldn't be blamed!
So now we have this Libyan Patsie who got charged with........Wait a minute......Didn't Mrs. Clinton say that he should die in prison!
I wonder what part of Scotland she comes from, Why did she suddenly 'pipe up' and shout, 'kill-the-ref' ...Was she hoping that she could stir up some more hatred for the alleged perpetrator of this wickedness? It was wickedness alright, and when she condemned the Libyan she should have been looking left and right at her own crowd...in her own country!
Now we all know the truth about the Lockerbie incident at last! I am a Scot and I have nothing to be ashamed of. Scotland has done well.
We have finally told the true conspirators to go to hell!
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SoCal Yank,

San Diego, CA 21/08/2009 07:14:22
I agree with all of those posters who see this so-called "act of compassion" with appropriate revulsion.

It takes a warped and insensitive mind to see compassion in the release of a vicious murderer when it will re-open wounds inflicting so much pain and emotional distress on the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of relatives and friends who survive the victims of that horrible disaster over Lockabie.

The question that this disturbing act raises is why does a democratic justice system permit a situation in which one man can undo the efforts and decisions reached through a comprehensive judicial process? The perpetrator received his "due process" rights but apparently those victimized by this monster are due none.

Should such a decision that impacts so many people in society be left to the whims of one man or instead processed by a board composed of a cross-section of people? This is an important question to be answered by the people of Scotland.



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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 07:19:23
Mr MacAskill's bizarre performances on tv last night were jaw-dropping to say the least. It was bad enough that he couldn't rise above petty politicking in his statement in the afternoon. Hearing that their relatives' murderer was to be freed would have been harrowing enough for the vistims families but to have Mr MacAskill use the opportunity of this statement to play petty politics must have been all but unbearable for those poor people.
Still, in the twisted world of the nats compassion seems to be reserved for the perpetrators not the vistims. I suspect that SNP will suffer for this decision, not so much freeing Al Megrahi but the cynical exploitation of a platform by Mr MacAskill and the saltires flying in Tripoli were events that will cost them dearly.
However, the truly worrying thing was when Mr MacAskill went into witter mode under questioning and declared that god had sentenced Mr Al Megrahi to death. That statement alone makes Mr MacAskill unfit for office. We now have a justice secretary who believes god has given Mr Al Megrahi cancer as a punishment.
What is it about this nationalist executive and religous nutters and fundamentalism?
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Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife,

Don't vote SNP 21/08/2009 07:20:26
Scotland should hang its head in shame.

It has now proven to the World it is incapable of handling its own affairs.

The whole world is laughing at you. You can try and defend the decision to free this animal, but it just does not wash.

We deserve evrything about to come our way and it aint nice.

I for one, a life long nationalist, will never ever vote SNP again. This is a disgusting act that can never be forgiven.
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Ben Thehoose,

21/08/2009 07:23:02
I'm no SNP fan, but this decision was the right one (unless Magrahi experiences a miracle cure!)
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Ecomaxx,

Linlithgow 21/08/2009 07:27:04
This morning I feel angry and ashamed by the decision to release Al Megrahi. Up to now I have been fairly satisfied with the way the SNP government has performed, but this is a serious error of judgement, which has damaged Scotland's reputation abroad. It seems to me that the decision only makes sense if we conclude that MacAskill has caved into pressure from the UK government, who have been noticably quiet over the whole affair. Interesting to note that Peter Mandelson has been in touch with Gadaffi recently; I detect his hand in all this. It is difficult to imagine what could have encouraged or forced the SNP government to co-operate but perhaps we will find out in due course.
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eric,

lthn 21/08/2009 07:38:30
Talk about shooting yourself in foot,it wouldnt matter which party was in power in holyrood,wether we like it or not snp will never be in power again.this will backfire big time,and really damage the tourist industry,
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 21/08/2009 07:40:36
“The quality of mercy is not strained. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath.
It is twice blest: It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.”

Mercy is a word much valued by Shakespeare and also, it appears, by the Scots. The concept certainly seems to divide the grieving relatives on either side of the Atlantic. Does it, I wonder, also reflect a difference between Christianity in America and Britain? Mercy is clearly seen in the UK as a moral and chivalrous gesture but not in the culture of the USA. I find that aspect of these events intriguing.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 07:43:00
Compassion a Christian value and the hallmark of a civilised society.r
The UK government is heavily involved in this decision but leaving the Scottish government to take all the flak. The brave opposition politicians did not say Megrahi should not be released prior to yesterday.

Where is Jim Murphy who says we are stronger together.
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 21/08/2009 07:43:20
MacAskill was eloquent and precise in his speech.

Imagine Cathy Jamieson delivering such a statement to the assembled world media?
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eric,

lthn 21/08/2009 07:47:13
HE came across child like and unpro,it was cringing to watch,even usa has subtitles,little labour who are on the ropes in Scotland must be rubbing hands in delight now.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 07:47:45
# 206 Kenny MacAskill gave a statesmanlike performance and made me proud to be Scottish. It will raise the profile and admiration for Scotland throughout the World apart from American red necks and right wing Tories.

Constrast his performance with the juvenile utterances of the Labour alternative Richard Baker and the other opposition pygmies in the Scottish Parliament.

Where is Gordon Brown and Peter Mandelson who were orchestrating Megrahi's release with Libya.
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Louis Catorze,

21/08/2009 07:50:00
"We were told about this proud little country, but you are still in the grip of the British Empire.""

Well as we are part of Britain and helped create most of that Empire, that's hardly suprising now is it?
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Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 07:52:03
The SNP are a disgrace. They have not followed correct and established procedures.

When we in New Labour released the international mass murderer and torturer General Pinochet we at least put him up in a posh house first. No posh house seen here. Amateurs.

And when we allow our citizens to be detained without trial at Guantanamo, after helping in their kidnap and rendition, we certainly don't squeak and upset the USA.
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JeanA,

Utah, USA 21/08/2009 07:53:16
The very first emotion I felt after seeing this on CNN's website today was... (dare I say?) that I was slightly impressed with Scotland. I've never heard of something like this before.

Seeing all the outcry about the whole thing made me think about it more, though. Particularly comments such as "What if it was your mom/dad/husband/child, etc. on that plane?" I wondered how I would feel in this situation, knowing that the grief and indescribable loss is not something you get over.

I talked to my husband about it. If he were to die in such a sickening tragedy, he would be disappointed in me if I focused on revenge and whether or not the man convicted for his death served a sentence deemed long/serious enough. He would want him locked up to keep him from possibly hurting others, but wouldn't mind if he was released close to his death so he could die with his family.

I agree with him. Knowing the emotional person I am, I'd be overcome for a desire for the criminal to suffer beyond belief in the name of 'justice.' I felt like that when my sister was raped. But I'd rather be able to eventually remember that deep down I wish to have compassion for my enemies. Just because they choose to not show compassion doesn't mean I have to choose the same. I would prefer to have a different character than they do.

What would make me disagree with MacAskill's decision would be if this is some fabrication or if Megrahi's release places others at risk (ie. there's reason to think he'll kill more people).
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The Tin Man,

21/08/2009 07:53:37
At least Obama has the Scottish Executive clocked. Kenneth McAskill appears to be a fall-guy patsy for Westminster.

The guilty party could have been released on bail to a hospice in Scotland. Col. G. could have flown the guy's relatives to Scotland. Was this decision taken to please Westminster and the Libyans?

Now we have the spectacle of ex liberal lawyer justice secretaries chatting to convicted mass murderers about the wishes and desires of the convicted mass murderer.
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Phil C,

21/08/2009 07:54:22
This seems like quite a divisive issue! It's over, move on. Accept the decision. The right thing would have been done either way, depending on individual perspectives.

I personally think that the world will be a better place for this action. Scotland did something that was morally correct, if not politically correct, and the world is taking notice. Watch and learn!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 07:56:13
216
Linda,
This is a devolved issue. The decision to release Mr Al Megrahi was a matter for the Scottish Executive. Are you suggesting that Westminster should dablle in devolved issues when the SNP administration find the going a bit tough?
What do you think of Mr MacAskill's assertion that god gave Mr Al Megrahi cancer as a punishment? Medieval enough for you?
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Laird o' Glenrothes,

21/08/2009 07:56:40
I don't believe that this man is innocent, and I don't believe that he was the only man involved. And I don't think that he should have been freed.

Hopefully the whole story will come out in time, and I believe that the American reputation on the worlds stage will be damaged even more than ours is just now.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 07:58:32
218

"The SNP are a disgrace."

Indeed.
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Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 07:58:43
222. Grahamski "What do you think of Mr MacAskill's assertion that god gave Mr Al Megrahi cancer as a punishment? Medieval enough for you?"

Gosh, next the UK will be invading middle east countries at the command of a US president who says God told him to do it.
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Kimura,

Scotland...Unfortunately! 21/08/2009 08:00:52
Mercy should not rob Justice, but yesterday in Scotland it did.
McCaskill's T.V. appearance was nauseating theatre.
Mercy could easily have been extended by providing a facilty for this mass murderer and his family to gather together here in Scotland.
There are plenty of ways that the Scottish Executive could have set something like that up.
As for the murderers guilt being in doubt, that is speculation at the moment. He's been tried and he's had an appeal, both stated he was a mass murderer.
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RogueTrooper,

NuEarth 21/08/2009 08:02:44
Where's that flange ScotIndy (LA) today? It would interesting to see what Nat spin he can put on this.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 08:04:10
226
Justice minister, Mr MacAskill really did say that Mr Al Megrahi 'faces a sentence imposed by a higher power' which I find incredibly worrying. In the twenty first century our head of justice actually believes that god gives people cancer as a punishment. When do the witchcraft trials start?
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Unionist Voice,

21/08/2009 08:05:18
228. On that basis one wonders why convicted booze bag police basher and old lady assaulter George Foulkes and convicted pie-eyed arsonist Mike Watson have not rallied to the prisoners side as well?
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Phil C,

21/08/2009 08:05:59
#222 Rabidski

You know and I know that Labour's grubby dishonest little paws are all over this. Those little paws are sneaky and under the table where nobody can see them.

Labour leadership quietly and courts Libya. Labour try to make political capital out of this very difficult issue. Shameful. Hypocrissy in the extreme.

The right decision was taken, even if it didn't suit everyone.


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paulr,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:06:17
I find the blindness and naivete of most commenters frightening, #1 #2 #3, this is not about politics, this is about money-- oil money to be precise.
All US comenters should understand the mighty dollar comes first above all.
I do not beleive this man is innocent but i do beleive he was a scapegoat used to protect the major players in this attack.
The 'deal in the desert' was to pave the way for oil companies to get back into libya and the day it was signed was the day this mans release was guarranteed.
The US are mad because the american oil companies are not being invited to the party.
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Boy Wonder,

21/08/2009 08:07:14
The American seem not to understand the concept of Mercy ... although they bleat on about it in their idea of whatever Christianity and Judaism means. Or does that only extend to Non-Muslims?

If Megrahi had been American, he would never have been convicted or spent any time in a foreign jail!

American "justice" is still living in the days of the "Wild West".
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tartan army 2222,

21/08/2009 08:07:56
A difficult decision that was made in a measured and compassionate way. MacAskill couldn't win here. The Brit Nats denounce him for freeing Megrahi but would have denounced him if he had been kept in saying it was a decision based purely on winning votes.

This shows that the SNP can make extremely difficuly decisions and aren't making them based on how many votes they think it will gain them.

Simple fact is that the right decision was made. I'd have been as lot more uneasy about it if I felt Megrahi's sentence was watertight, but I'm sure we all know (well, perhaps not the Americans on here) that it wasn't down to a single man.
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paulr,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:09:29
#222 The guilty party could have been released on bail to a hospice in Scotland. Col. G. could have flown the guy's relatives to Scotland

Why should we foot the bill to give this guy the best medical care available or fly his family over. Let tripoli foot that bill.
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 21/08/2009 08:13:16
#236 - excellent point re.the downing of the Iranian aircraft.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:16:07
Westminster must be relieved that this contentious decision was a devolved matter.

With the exception of a few politicking Labour and Tory MPs, the silence has been deafening from UK Government Ministers?

The Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray also showed his complete lack of experience in the midst of a momentous international situation with some of the petty remarks he made about the Nationalists decision.
No doubt he is secretly hoping that MacAskill's decision will backfire on the Nationalists but he may well find the very opposite outcome?

It is clear that this "get out of jail" clause on compassionate grounds suited both the Holyrood AND Westminster governments.

Another interesting point raised by The Times is that it has always been established practice for Governors of Scottish Prisons to release terminally ill, convicted prisoners, irrespective of the gravity of the crime.

According to CNN, many Americans, who have little knowledge or none, of the workings of other countries governments, have been surprised to learn that Scotland, although part of the United Kingdom, has a separate legal system AND jurisdiction.

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tartan army 2222,

21/08/2009 08:16:42
241

And that has what to do with this story? We all do stupid things in our younger days. The problem begins if we continue to do them. You for example are making an *#?* of yourself this morning. Problem for you is that I can't see it changing.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:17:03
This country needs no sermons on judicial morality from the US, a country which has sponsored terrorism across the globe to it's own ends, which has invaded other states to stamp down its own geo-political-economic feet, and where its sons regularly massacare their own school-mates due to a national gun-toting psychosis.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

21/08/2009 08:18:36
"234 Boy Wonder,21/08/2009 08:07:14

The American seem not to understand the concept of Mercy"

That's not really the issue - it's much more to do with the fact that most Americans are completely ignorant of the issues around this case. They have been fed the "mass murderer" line and have swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

Most of them will be completely unaware of the role of the CIA in fitting up Megrahi.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 08:18:37
I notice Iain Gray has stuck his head above the parapit on this and is now making it a political issue. The more this man speaks the more I detest him, as if he would have made a different decision under the same circumstances.

As for any of our American cousins out there who are going to "boycott" Scotland - can I repectfully remind you of your actions in supporting IRA terrorists over the years (who have now all been freed, and are more guilty of mass murder than Megrahi).







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Obanite,

21/08/2009 08:20:18
Think that most Americans simply don't realise that they sponsored terrorism around the world in the mistaken belief they were spreading democracy. And that is to say nothing of their fund raising for the IRA.

As for me, I am actually happy to see terrorists released in Northern Ireland if it means a lasting peace. I think that has happened.

I would like to think that releasing this murderer will show Libya and perhaps the wider Arab and Muslim worlds that not all countries in the West are the same.

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Morry,

Scotland 21/08/2009 08:24:51
The justice system in Scotland is in a right mess, this is fact.
MaCaskill has made Scotland the laughing stock of the world and in particular those countries who support and condone terrorism.
The fact that we appear to have upset the Americans, is by the by, what of our own country? what of Scotland? the Scottish people, as ordinary citizens we never hear or learn the truth about anything even when we ask for it.

Salmond wants independence, as do many others but when Scotland's government appear soft in the eyes of their people, who will support them? not me, not any longer.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 08:24:51
@ "I speak for 95% of Americans, the other 5% are also clueless."


The truest words ever spoken on these pages.
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tartan army 2222,

21/08/2009 08:24:52
248 Yawn. Isn't the school bus here yet, c'mon chop chop, get yer shoes on and yer bed made.
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A. Mcleod,

Highland 21/08/2009 08:25:39
Maybe its just me but the Megrahi in Glasgow and the one in Libya appeared to me to be completely different. Why cover himself up with scarf, hat, and dressed in a white track suit after coming out of prison until he boarded the plane, then at the other end he has changed into a suit, tie, and no hiding of his features. - Hmm strange.!!

Maybe I will request my MSP Jamie Stone to ask MacAskill on Monday in parliament to please now also show compassion to Kevin Mcleod and his family in Wick, and disclose whether a prisoner was on weekend home release at the time of Kevin death. Surely after the Megrahi episode, that wont be to much to ask of him. Is It ?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

21/08/2009 08:25:52
248 Grantki

Q Which offence was Kenny MacAskill charged with and what was his sentence?

A No offence whatsoever and therefore no sentence!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 08:26:04
#248 - Kenny MacAskill was not charged with anything due to the high jinx in London, so shut up about it.

and
"made his judgement with a bottle on the left hand and a bible on the right hand!! Some statesman!"

Like that old alky Winston Churchill you mean?
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tartan army 2222,

21/08/2009 08:26:22
249

And Bush, Brown and Blair are feted as world leaders despite the fact they have had a hand in murdering hundreds of thousands of people. Have a lie down pal.
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Mike Partick,

Partick 21/08/2009 08:30:20
Well done to Kenny MacAskill and the Scottish Govt for having the courage of their convictions and not allowing themselves to be badgered into making what they believe to be the wrong decision. As for the hypocrisy coming from the Labour Party, why is anyone surprised? This is exactly the kind of double-dealing that we have come to expect from them - doing one thing behind closed doors and then condemning the act in the open.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 08:32:12
254
Hey Bully boy you must have been really chuffed at Torquemada MacAskill's view that justice is best delivered by god, eh?
Is every cancer a sentence from god or just Al Megrahi's?
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Gunga Din,

21/08/2009 08:33:03
megrahi always maintained his innocence , refused to speak at his trial because of the flawed evidence - maltese tony only id'd megrahi after having been shown a photo of him , and why was maltese tony paid a few million dollars by the us govt. for that appearence?
as a man who believes he is innocent , he is entitled to celebrate his renewed freedom and those who care for him are entitled to the same jubilation. many scots directly connected to the trial feel he is innocent. the best thing would be to hold an inquiry to asnwer all the questions that these people want answered but it seems that both american and british goverments don't want that - why? why? why ? what's to hide ? americans always deny the truth , even when they down iranian or korean planes , or when the kill our own troops in 'friendly fire' incidents or when their presidents and all their men are up to no good whether it's with miss monroe , in chappaquidick , or with miss lewinski or any other matter that needs explaining away. double standards indeed.
well done kenny mac , and good luck megrahi. as for dr swire , prof black and all those who want the truth , speak loudly and demand an inquiry.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 08:33:32
Just who was it that brought in "compassionate release" anyway?

I think it may be the same party that are now bleating about this, honestly is it just be or is the world getting stupider.

(By the way isn't it 95% of Americans that are clueless? - the other 5% watch the Daily Show with Jon Stewart...)
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

21/08/2009 08:34:25
#256 If you are alluding to Iraq and Afghanistan I think you'll find that most of the "murdering" is done by insurgents.

But hey - why let a few facts get in the way of your Nat-Unionist cat-fight.

I am sick of the way in which political parties have used this issue. I know both Richard Baker and Jim Murphy from my student days. the next time I see either I will tell them in no uncertain terms that I am extremely disappointed at the way they have handled this issue.

There are issues to attack the SNP on - but this is not one of them. I am no Kenny MacAskill fan but I have to say that he has got it spot on here.
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Walter Ego,

Durness 21/08/2009 08:35:11
So this is what the SNP meant by the Year of the Homecoming, eh? And the news that the Scottish Government provided the Libyans with the saltires is damning. Makes you proud to be Scottish, does it not?
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Mike Partick,

Partick 21/08/2009 08:35:56
207 _ Champion Haggis Slayer of Fife - get a life mate - some nationalist you sound!
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El Sabio,

Sandton 21/08/2009 08:37:16
The demonstrators were probably ordered to welcome al-Megrahi by the man who wears the boot sale sunglasses.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

21/08/2009 08:37:42
#259 There is a lot of similarity here with what happened when the Birmingham 6 were freed. I remember the likes of the Daily Mail frothing at the mouth because these "terrorists" were celebrating their freedom.

If I were in Megrahi's shoes and knew I was innocent, fitted up the US intelligence services, I too would be celebrating.
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Mike Partick,

Partick 21/08/2009 08:39:46
200 - mwalsh Boston - we are cut to the quick that you should say such things, we care so much for your opinion......NOT!
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tartan army 2222,

21/08/2009 08:39:53
261

And the US/UK are blameless with no blood on their hands? Seriously? The US especially have had a hand in so many deaths around the world that the number would probably stun us. Just because they don't pull the trigger ...
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DialMforMurdoX,

21/08/2009 08:42:50
So much froth and pissss scrawled on here with little thought for dignity, compassion and humanity.

Scotland and Holyrood walk taller today.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

21/08/2009 08:44:22
258 Grahamski,

Like many Scots I have lost a number of family members and close friends through the scourge of cancer in its various forms.

I would not have used that particular phraseology personally although I believe his ultimate decision was the correct one, very brave and reached through the due process of considering all the submissions received from the relevant parties.
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john z,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:45:47
Recently, two american Journalsists, aware of the penalties, illegally entered North Korea. They were punished for breaking the law of North Korea.

Bill Clinton flew to North Korea to secure the release of the USA journalists from their prison cells. The North Koreans showed compassion.

Upon return to America, the two USA law breakers were treated to sickening flag waving, triumphalism, wall to wall TV jingoism, by the likes of CNN and Fox.

So what did the USA expect when Megrahi reutrned to Libya?

Megrahi will die soon. He has not been set free, he has been sent home to die.

Ken MacAskill did the right thing, in a very difficult situation. He went out of his way to consult with all the interested parties.

The fact is, it is a feature of Scots Law, one of the oldest legal systems in the world, that compassion may be shown to prisoners who are terminally ill. It is what makes our society different from that of barbaric nations.

Megrahi has had his day of jubilant welcome, but he will die soon. He is quite obviously a very sick man, being helped down from the plane.

Scots law is about Justice, not vengeance.

The Scottish Government have shown the world the way we Scots think.

A good decision, in very, very difficult circumstances.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 08:49:44
@182 "In light of the heroes welcome the terrorist received on arrival back in Libya why exactly do you believe Kenny MacAskill’s decision was the correct one?"


What on Earth does his reception in Libya have to do with whether the decision was correct or not?

Have you EVER answered a question instead of asking one?
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Mary R,

anchorage 21/08/2009 08:50:06
As a member of the Granton /Trinity SNP branch (Edinburgh) during the 1980's I am delighted that the party has achieved political prominence.
Kenny McAskill's decision to release al Megrahi so that he can die with family and friends is the correct one. Compassion is in short supply in our times. I am proud to be Scottish here in America today.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 08:51:18
@262 "And the news that the Scottish Government provided the Libyans with the saltires is damning."


By "damning" do you mean "completely made up by me just now"?
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letmein,

paisley 21/08/2009 08:52:50
Why are the nat bashers and septic tanks missing the point. The man is innocent, he was a patsy for the real murderer. The septic tanks knew this was going to happen, yet did nothing. They allowed their own people to be blown out of the sky. Its time for the loud mouth yanks to shut up. They are responsible, they are guilty, they could have stopped this happening.
The SNP were damned if they let him out and damned if they did not. So stop crowing unionist scum.
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Buspass,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:53:01
A DISASTER Kenny. You have put the progress of the SNP back 10 years. Just watch the 2011 election results.
You have lost the place in your position over the last few years with your 'get them out of prison' approach which has allowed murderers and rapists out of jail, but this one takes takes the biscuit.
Having sewn the wind, watch the whirlwind.
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:54:46
Libya was responsible for the Lockerbie bombing, and
Gadaffi was in charge then, as he is now.
According to the media there is apparently widespread public outrage at the release of the perpetrator, al Megrahi on compassionate grounds.
The Scottish Justice Secretary is castigated throughout the World for his action under Scottish Law, but as far as we know has not met or even to Gadaffi.
Why is there not a similar degree of repulsion by the media at the actions of Blair, Obama, and Brown who have all been reported as having a much closer relationship with Gadaffi ?
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 08:56:19
#275 - it will be forgotten as by that time we will have a Tory government at Westminster, our funding will be drastically cut. We will have other, more important, matters to think about.
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john z,

edinburgh 21/08/2009 08:57:55
275

A very silly post. Labour are showing themselves to be rank amteurs by bleating about the decision - it was Blair who arranged (without consulting the Scottish judiciary) for the Libyan prisoner transfer agreement, in order to help him get on with Libya.

Labour are being pretty fake about all of this.

The Scottish Government have done the right thing, in very difficult circumstances.
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Obanite,

21/08/2009 08:58:30
An interesting point raised by Krishnan Gurumurthy on C4 News last night was when he asked MacAskill what the point of consulting with all the people was. He said that if he was being released because he was on his death bed then no opinions from Clinton or anyone else would have made a blind bit of difference. A good point.

I half wonder what Westminster didn't tell MacAskill.

Devolution won't work if Westminster doesn't speak to Holyrood. I'm sure most Labour supporters on here will agree to that. If the tories don't speak to Holyrood properly either, then Scotland might as well be independent.
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 21/08/2009 08:59:17
Just on the news - the Scottish government provided the Scottish saltires.
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Gunga Din,

21/08/2009 08:59:26
#265 thru to #272
Good to see a run of sensible thought, opinion and informed comments. very heartening.
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Jings MacCrivvens,

21/08/2009 09:01:00
Whilst I deplore the scenes at Tripoli, I applaud Kenny MacAskill's decision to release Megrahi on compassionate grounds; demonstrating that modern Scotland is a civilised country.
The near hysteria of many of the posters above shows that the US and its Britnat poodles have yet to rise above the hypocrisy preached by Reagan, Thatcher and her ardent disciples Blair and Brown.

The US which stalks the world stage looking to act out its role as world bully.
The US which shoots innocent civilians out of the sky and awards its naval personnel medals for so doing.
The US which acts as it wishes with rendition flights rounding up those it does not care for.
The US which illegally and immorally imprisons people without trial in Gitmo.
Perhaps one day the US will become a civilised country too.

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i wear trousers not a skirt,

S.N.P SCOTLANDS SHAME 21/08/2009 09:01:10
The woeful snp scottish government supports terrorist murdering scum. Salmond and the drunken bigot of the justice minister mcaskill Should resign now. And the mickey mouse parliament should be abolished and be demolished. Wonder how many multi-national (americian) companys will pull out of scotland as it been run by a terrorist loving government who havent a clue. The snp is scotlands shame .
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Tynietiger,

21/08/2009 09:01:14
The truth is out there but Milliband, Mandelson and Brown will keep it suppressed.

What deals were done with Libya by Blair and Brown?

What did Mandelson discuss with Gadaffi's son?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:01:18
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Bully boy,
I don't have a huge problem with Mr MacAskill's decision to free Mr Al Megrahi. On balance I don't think I agree with it but I respect Mr MacAskill's arguments on why he decided this and I think it was done in good faith.
I have several problems with Mr MacAskill's statement and subsequent pronouncements, however.
I don't believe that making an anouncement on Mr Al Megrahi's release was the appropriate time to try and score cheap political points.
I absolutely cringed at Mr MacAskill's assertion that Scots were known for their 'humanity'. Unlike who exactly? Is any country proud of its inhumanity? This kind of banal rhetoric is irritating at the best of times but in this context it is truly nauseating.
Lastly, it is not Mr MacAskill's phraseology that is at fault here but the substantive point he is making: god punishes people by giving them cancer, that quite frankly is an unacceptable view to hold particularly for one who has responsibility for delivering justice. For that fact alone, Mr MacAskill should stand down.
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 21/08/2009 09:01:47
Al Megrahi was/is guilty. The SNP said it so it must be true.
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Robert Mason,

Larkhall 21/08/2009 09:02:57
If deals were done by Blair et al, MacAskill could have thwarted them by refusing release. He chose not to. I wonder why.
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Idi Amin,

21/08/2009 09:03:42
"Hero" is purely subjective as al-Megrahi maintains he's innocent! Libya say he's innocent. The USA and UK know he's innocent. "Welcome for innocent man" should be the title.

Who cares if they proudly wave the saltire. The stars & stripes is burnt the world over.

Scotland is held in high regard across the world once again. All Muslim world, Russia, China, and all peace loving nations.

The only one making a song and dance to take heat off themselves are the corrupt USA who, like Dalyell said yesterday, have lied to their own people once again.

Also puppets like Camoron and Gray who really don't have a clue. They don't know anything that's went down in the background.

May Allah send His peace and blessings upon the beloved al-Megrahi. May Allah send His peace and blessings upon the beloved MacAskill.

Viva Scotland. Allahu Akbar!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:04:51
#280 - Which "news" did you hear this on? I am interested as I listened to Radio Scotland from 6 to 8 this morning and didn't hear this at all. Making this up are you?
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Freshford Fresh,

Dundee 21/08/2009 09:07:09
Macaskill is an absolute embarrassment. When the eyes of the world are on him all he can do is go on television and repeat his mantra of how the man, "showed neither compunction nor compassion for his victims" in a tone reminiscent of a primary school minister. Cringe!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:08:02
#285 - " don't believe that making an anouncement on Mr Al Megrahi's release was the appropriate time to try and score cheap political points."

Your usual drivel, he made one point relating to London not answering a question about what deal was made between the governments of UK and USA over the trial in the Netherlands.
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Yeti,

21/08/2009 09:09:25
The guilt or innocence of this man is still an open question. The trial was flawed, evidence was withheld by governments and too many people, especially American politicians, are mouthing off for their own advantage. He'll be dead soon. Isn't that enough? Even if he was involved - and it's a big IF - there is no way that he was a major player in this atrocity. Instead of spouting fake rage, just be glad that we live in a country that does have some "compassion"
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:10:08
291

'...he made one point...'

lol

'you **** one sheep....'
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Jingo,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:10:22
Pedagoguish,"Shame, shame, shame on Scotland and on all Scots. You have allowed a serial murderer to go free. Appalling, shameful, despicable. Pray God that the next heinous attack does not occur to you and yours. What you have done is beneath contempt."

It may have escaped your notice but the plane came down in Scotland killing Scots and devastating part of a town. A friend of mine lost relatives in Lockerbie and he believes the right decision was made, but then he is a Christian.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:12:34
#294 - "lol" - go back to your nursery school you child...
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:14:00
Have any of the ranting brainwashed Americans and their fellow apologists above stopped to consider that Lockerbie and for that matter 9/11 would never have happened if it wasn't for the lunatic aggressive hypocritical Foreign Policy pursued by The US since WW2.

If a country continually pokes its nose into the affairs of other countries and bullies and intimidates them and in many cases is reponsible for the slaughter of millions of innocent civilians is it not unsurprising that some reaction from the countries and the peoples involved is to be expected.

Terrorists do not carry out their attacks frequently involving their own suicides for fun they do it because they hold what they consider to be legitimate grievances against the country attacked.

While I have every sympathy for the innocent victims of terrorist attacks and for their relatives it could be argued that because of the actions of successive US Governments in the formulation and implementation of Foreign Policy over the years that The US (but not the innocent victims) 'had it coming to them'.

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:15:30
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"The US (but not the innocent victims) 'had it coming to them'"

Oh dear.
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The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:16:57
#270

Were the Americans convicted mass-murderers?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:17:41
Has anybody thought of asking the Great War Criminal Blair what he thinks of yesterday's decision. The silence from Brown, Mandelson, Milliband et al is interesting but not surprising.

Incidentally where is Foulkes and his mouth?
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aljok.23,

The world 21/08/2009 09:18:01
Heres to the braindead mongrels. Who follow the instruction.
To kill the ones they tell them. The road to their destruction.
Who in this enlightened era can take their life for granted.
When the ones that walk among us are the guilty bombs implanted.

A call to arms. A call to arms. Said the loud minority.
Their need for retort was of more import. They are the authority.
No. Lets sit down. Discuss the day. To find what we are missing.
A call to peace. A call to peace. A planetary sit-in.
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Sedov,

21/08/2009 09:19:47
Brown and Darling have played a blinder on this issue. They have got what they wanted without taking too much flack from the USA and they will reap any benefits from being closer to Libya. Of course if they had tried to put in their view over al-Megrahi ‘s release the paranoid NATS would have cried foul so they have let the hapless and hopeless Kenny Mac take the hassle on a no win situation for the NATS. That’s politics and you cannot blame New Labour.

Speaking of Kenny Mac, I thought that there were religious undertones in his long diatribe to the press. Now that’s all we need - religion, to rear its ugly head in the way we make decisions - the cause of all the trouble in the first place. Leave it out Kenny; you made the right decision, why bring other beings into it?

Only time will tell if this issue will help the SNP will make the gains they need to win a referndum for an independent Scotland but I have my doubts. Scotland is now a deeply divided nation and the NATS need a majority of Scots to make their dreams come true.

Right now the SNP are struggling and their only saviour is that Labour are so bad and still unpopular – but things can change as McMillan once said – Events, my dear boy –events! But change can happen both ways –it’s all to play for,
Watch this space!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:20:19
#298 - It called "cause and effect" - the orignal poster used an unfortunate phrase, but the US foreign policy has been over the years been totaly counter-productive.

But since you are 4 years old and like using terms like "lol" then I don't expect you to understand complex international politics (maybe you should go and work for the US state department??)
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:21:01
@285 "Lastly, it is not Mr MacAskill's phraseology that is at fault here but the substantive point he is making: god punishes people by giving them cancer, that quite frankly is an unacceptable view to hold particularly for one who has responsibility for delivering justice. For that fact alone, Mr MacAskill should stand down."


McAskill's speech did not mention God, let alone blame him for giving Megrahi cancer. Why am I not surprised at you making up lies to attack the SNP with?
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Linda,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:21:18
From the Guardian to-day.

Gordon Brown was accused today of adopting double standards on Libya because of the government's arm's-length involvement in the release of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.

Labour was accused of "facing two ways" when the party condemned the release of the Lockerbie bomber months after rushing through a treaty with Tripoli on the transfer of prisoners. Critics said Labour wanted to protect oil interests in Libya, by establishing a framework for the transfer of prisoners, while reaching out to the US by condemning the decision of the SNP's justice secretary to free Megrahi.

The row broke out after Labour condemned the release as wrong and said the bomber would still be in jail if it were still in power in Scotland. Iain Gray, leader of the Scottish Labour party, said: "This whole sorry affair shows the SNP as unfit when it comes to the tough decisions of government."

Sir Menzies Campbell, a former Lib Dem leader, said: "Labour is clearly facing two ways on this issue: wanting to enhance relations with Libya but at the same time determined to criticise the SNP for an American audience."

Lord Owen, foreign secretary in the late 1970s when British intelligence learned that Libya was arming the IRA, said: "It is very hard to get at the truth and yet Lord Mandelson is seen with the Libyan president's son. It is very clear that the British government are in this up to their neck. I view all this noise as party politics in a rather crude way."He said he supported the SNP's decision. "I am a humanitarian. Wherever you can you come down in the final analysis to looking at the individual. Are they entitled to die at home or die in prison? If it is humanely possible you should allow them to die at home."

Libya applied for the transfer of Megrahi under the UK/Libya prisoner transfer agreement on 5 May. Jack Straw, the justice secretary, rushed through the ratification of the treaty warning that a delay would damage relations with Libya.
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 09:22:02
Its not about upholding the scottish justice system - this is a case where those rules do not apply. If someone is in prison for shoplifting, fraud, or some other similar crime, fair enough let them go home to die, but not someone who was sentenced for killing 227 people.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:22:35
@275 "A DISASTER Kenny. You have put the progress of the SNP back 10 years. Just watch the 2011 election results."


I trust you haven't bothered to look at the Scotsman's own poll, which shows a 2:1 majority supporting the release? Every single time some muppet on here says "That's it, the SNP have blown it now!!!!!!!!" an actual poll seems to appear proving the exact opposite.
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Al Pacino,

21/08/2009 09:22:49
There's a bigger picture here which a select few ranting Americans appear (as usual) to be missing. Some points worth considering:
The destruction of Pan Am 103 was revenge for American military action.
Al Megrahi was clearly a patsy put up by the Libyans. Aren't we meant to be attempting to ease tensions worldwide? Getting rid of Al Megrahi might help, it certainly might remove Scotland from the terrorist radar for a while.
Preaching at Scotland about justice by some American people is a little rich. Remember My Lai in Vietnam? not much justice there.
Remember invading Iraq for oil?
As for allowing a mass murderer to walk free, what about that cretin Bush, when is he standing trial?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:23:07
Is it too much to expect a full enquiry into Lockerbie with the powers to compel the release of previously suppressed evidence under the auspices of The UN in the hope that the truth will eventually be told and what many consider to be a disgraceful miscarriage of justice exposed.
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AJ Fife,

21/08/2009 09:23:14
Mr MacAskill was statesman-like in his delivery yesterday. A difficult decision, but ultimately, the correct one and as a consequence, Scotland as a nation comes out of this diplomatic crisis with it's dignity intact.

Also, who thinks Iain Gray had two verbal attacks drawn up, depending on Mr McAskill's decision?
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:23:59
#303 - "Right now the SNP are struggling " - eh?? More tosh.

The statement yesterday was aimed for a US audience, which is why he used religous terminology.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:24:55
@307 "Its not about upholding the scottish justice system - this is a case where those rules do not apply. If someone is in prison for shoplifting, fraud, or some other similar crime, fair enough let them go home to die, but not someone who was sentenced for killing 227 people."


I'm afraid you seem somewhat confused about the nature of a justice system. The entire point of a justice system is that the same rules ARE supposed to apply to everyone, all the time. (Sadly that's not always the case in practice, but Kenny McAskill is to be commended for upholding the principle.)

Compassionate release is open to ALL prisoners, and is usually granted when supported by appropriate medical evidence.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:25:00
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'McAskill's speech did not mention God, let alone blame him for giving Megrahi cancer. Why am I not surprised at you making up lies to attack the SNP with?'

From this morning's Guardian: "He (MacAskill) went on: "Mr Megrahi now faces a sentence imposed by a higher power. It is one that no court in any jurisdiction in any land can revoke or overrule. It is terminal, irrevocable and final."
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:27:56
#311 - I doubt very much if Ian Gray thinks any further than the next 5 mins. I didn't think it was possible Labour could elect someone even more haplesss than Wendy, but they did.
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 09:27:58
The scottish legal system is to blame for this and a man hell bent on beign seen to uphold it. Surely, there must be cases where criminals haven't been allowed home on compassionate grounds. If that is the case then the system and those who uphold it are hypocrites and live in a world of double standards. For all you Americans, welcome to Scotland and the SNP. Its not all tartan, irn bru and short bread - more shoulders with big chips on always trying to prove a point!
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:29:48
@315 "From this morning's Guardian: "He (MacAskill) went on: "Mr Megrahi now faces a sentence imposed by a higher power. It is one that no court in any jurisdiction in any land can revoke or overrule. It is terminal, irrevocable and final.""


Yes, that's what I heard him say on the news yesterday. I've done a text search on that quote five times now and the word "God" doesn't seem to appear in it anywhere. "A higher power" is a vague, non-specific statement open to a wide range of interpretation, and I'm sure deliberately so.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:30:41
@318 "Surely, there must be cases where criminals haven't been allowed home on compassionate grounds."

Then I'm sure you can find us one and let us all know the details so it can be discussed rationally and sensibly. Over to you.
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BMacD,

Joburg 21/08/2009 09:31:14
After watching the plane take off last night, it occurred to me that a suitable final sentence for Al Magrahi would have been to plant a bomb and blow the plane up over Tripoli. Would have been poetic justice
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walter,

21/08/2009 09:33:30
I see the nats are out in force, they screamed from the high heavens when Blair signed a treaty with Gaddafi on prisoner transfer that only the Scottish judiciary and Scottish government could release Megrahi.
Even though Westminster agreed with them they still screamed foul.
Now that the Scottish government under Scottish law has released him they are trying to lay the blame with Westminster and why?
Because the Scottish government that has released him is not a Labour Or Lab/LibDem government but a SNP one.
This was the wrong decision and a bad one that has angered people around the world especially the US and been made worse by the hero's welcome Megrahi received in Tripoli with Scotland flags flying along side the Lybian flag in celebration.
Although the nats fully support the decision as it was made by their beloved SNP who can do no wrong in their eyes they attempt to lay the blame elsewhere Westminster, Labour/Torys/LibDems the US the Press anywhere but at the door of the people who made the decision the SNP government in Holyrood and to justify this decision they point out the wrong of others.
The shooting down of the Iranian plane, the release of Irish terrorists, the support of the IRA in the US, these wrongs are not justification for this one by the SNP.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:34:13
#321 - oh dear, so the flight crew are guilty as well. Two wrongs do not make a right, no justice and not remotely poetic.
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 09:34:40
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Im not confused at all - the point Im trying to make is that the system is wrong. No person who kills 227 people should be shown compassion. Our system is wrong as it doesn't allow for discretion to be applied in extreme circumstances, particularly where the compassion shown to the victims is should be deemed greater. Just like this case.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:36:03
#322 - Get a life, this is NOT a political issue, despite unionistas like you trying to make it one.
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Geezer shoesy,

In the line up 21/08/2009 09:36:43
I'm astonished that his plane wasn't blown out of the sky by some unforseen enemy. Or is that too far even for the Yanks to contemplate? Well done Scottish Gov, if only for the giving the finger to Clinton. Alba gu brath!
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:37:06
@ 324 "Im not confused at all - the point Im trying to make is that the system is wrong. No person who kills 227 people should be shown compassion."

On the contrary, you're very confused. You don't understand the meaning of the word "compassion", and you can't count either.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:39:26
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Silly boy. 'A higher power' is a synonym for god or a supernatural power (whatever suits your sophistry).
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Sedov,

21/08/2009 09:39:30
#312 Nitten by the bing -

"The statement yesterday was aimed for a US audience, which is why he used religous terminology"

So Kenny Mac was pandering to US feelings? Then why did he let the guy go free?

Another contradiction by a confused NAT.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:40:22
329
...but good to see the nats in full denial mode. It'll be England's fault next....
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The Strategist,

21/08/2009 09:41:48
#329

or Mother Nature which is what I took it to mean...
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aljok.23,

The world 21/08/2009 09:43:42
I feel no shame when another country waves The Saltire in celebration and respect of another country's recognition of peace and humanity. I recognise a wisdom in his release. He will gain very little respite with the time he has. The world gains from being witness to this action . God bless those in USA , Scotland and Libya who pray for peace.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 09:44:01
#330 - Personally I think he was trying to stick it up them and show what a bunch of hypocritcal "Christens" the americans really are. (i.e Pro-Life - Pro-Death Penalty - these are mutually exclusive.)
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 21/08/2009 09:44:04
#324 ... whats the cut-off point for compassion, is it a number ? 100 ? 50 ? 2 ? 1 ?

I'd even show compassion for Bush and Blair, whose lies resulted in 10's of thouands being killed.
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Lee John,

21/08/2009 09:44:17
Meanwhile on the "Salmond condemns hero's welcome" - not a single comment.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:44:59
@ 329 "Silly boy. 'A higher power' is a synonym for god or a supernatural power (whatever suits your sophistry)."

"A higher power" is a phrase with no fixed meaning which can be used to refer to many things - God, Allah, Nature, Fate, Chance or any of countless others. The fact that you're not intelligent enough to grasp that simple empirical fact doesn't change it any, or surprise anyone here.

If Kenny McAskill had meant to say "God", he'd have done so.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:46:25
332
"or Mother Nature which is what I took it to mean..."
So you believe mother nature sentences people to death by giving them cancer?
What a nut.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:48:04
@339 "So you believe mother nature sentences people to death by giving them cancer?
What a nut. "


Er, make your mind up, love. Either nature (ie, biology) causes cancer, or it's God. Which is it?
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Courtney,

East Molesey 21/08/2009 09:48:48
First he is in bed with countryside wrecker Donald Trump then pinko Salmond is joined by terrorist al Megrahi. What hope for Scotland seen as a soft touch for both developers and terrorists. Mine's a large one Kenny.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. 21/08/2009 09:49:50
#318,
I believe the perversion of the Scottish legal system by English rule is to blame. The London government perverted our elections by gerrymandering. They already had perverted our democracy by ignoring our legal system in shady deals with the USA, Al Qaeda and Libya without consideration of our laws. It seems anything that can be done to undermine Scotland will be done by these Charlatans.
We all know that the trial was a piece of nonsense and the expectation was that he would be released as we have nothing to suggest his guilt.

The Scottish government continues to rise in stature, shaming the unionists and the courage of our ministers is now internationally known. I am dismayed that there are unionist sympathisers wishing to blow up planes without thought of the consequences for towns like Lockerbie. Shame on the UNIION and it's supporters.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:49:59
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A higher power means fate?
No it doesn't, and it doesn't mean chance either.
Mr MacAskill's view that god (or 'higher power') has sentenced this man to death by cancer is indefensible and you know it.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:51:02
@343 Answer the question, please. What causes cancer? Nature or God?
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:52:26
340
Yikes, you seem even more bewildered than you normally are.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 09:53:17
344
ha ha ha....stop digging.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 09:54:06
@346 I'm not the one who's painted himself into a corner, dear.

What causes cancer, Nature or God?
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DialMforMurdoX,

21/08/2009 09:56:40
"I cannot find words in my language or yours that give proper expression to the desolation I have felt. This horrible ordeal is not ended by my return to Libya.

It may never end for me until I die. Perhaps the only liberation for me will be death.

And I say in the clearest possible terms, which I hope every person in every land will hear: all of this I have had to endure for something that I did not do.

The remaining days of my life are being lived under the shadow of the wrongness of my conviction.

I have been faced with an appalling choice: to risk dying in prison in the hope that my name is cleared posthumously or to return home still carrying the weight of the guilty verdict, which will never now be lifted.

The choice which I made is a matter of sorrow, disappointment and anger, which I fear I will never overcome.

I say goodbye to Scotland and shall not return. My time here has been very unhappy and I do not leave a piece of myself. But to the country's people I offer my gratitude and best wishes."

Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al-Megrahi
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The Scotchman,

21/08/2009 09:57:47
Obama has called it "a mistake", which means we did the right thing. And Clinton was acting like someone out of River City.

- "Lockerbie: was it Iran? Syria? All I know is, it wasn't the man in prison" (Independent)

http://tinyurl.com/n5hsag
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 21/08/2009 09:59:27
Would Macaskill have released an English terrorist with cancer if they had bombed Scotland ?
Of course not . Macarsekill came across as a complete amateur on TV , who kept repeating himself . What do you expect from a football hooligan ?
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 10:00:55
328
Are you really a reverend - If you are then i understand why you feel strongly about what compassion means. Religious people tend to be lead and misguided when it comes to compassion. You see i look at humanity in a different way - i believe that if you murder someone you should have no rights - simple. I take it you would give compassion to the men who tortured the french students in london or the man who killed baby p. Get a grip!!!
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arc of insolvency,

21/08/2009 10:03:28
#342 Jimmy Fae the West,In the Land O' Green Ginger


As SNP supporter comments go that is up there with the craziest.
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RogueTrooper,

NuEarth 21/08/2009 10:03:39
I wonder how the SNP are faring in their beloved 'polls' today. The warcry in my work this morning seems to be 'I'll never vote for those c---ts again'
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 10:03:52
#352 - You don't understand compassion at all - you just want retribution. That is not healthy.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 10:04:33
347
"What causes cancer, Nature or God?"

What on earth are you wittering about?

Mr MacAskill claimed god gave Mr Al Megrahi cancer and you agree with him?
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Mike Partick,

Partick 21/08/2009 10:05:12
Grahamski - I don't think that Mr MacAskill was suggesting that God had punished Mr Al Megrahi by giving him cancer. I think what Mr MacAskill was doing was simply re-iterating central themes of Christian thought, which is that death (something we all face) is the penalty of sin (something we all do), see for example Paul's letter to the Romans, "the wages of sin is death" etc. And after death comes the judgement. As many commentators have suggested his use of this kind of language seems to have been in part about trying to reach out to a US audience.
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 21/08/2009 10:05:32
It's all over the Russian media for anyones interest and it portrays Scotland in a very very good light!

Must be getting different coverage from me though as i did not see 1 saltire being waved!

Scotland is growing up, compassion and humanity above the 'hang em high' brigade!!

Is there any unionist who agrees with the decision or is it a political stand you are all taking?
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Publius,

London 21/08/2009 10:05:48
#338 Rev. S. Campbell
You write "If Kenny McAskill had meant to say "God", he'd have done so."

But 'higher power' implies God ... and you know it. McAskill's entire speech was a a piece of long winded cant,humbug and misdirection. It epitomised mealy-mouthed Scottish Presbyterianism at its worst. It's the sort of stuff that irritates non-Scots and makes me ashamed of being a Scot.
A two-sentence statement would have sufficed:
"Megrahi has a terminal illness and is not expected to live long. Accordingly I have decided to release him on compassionate grounds." End of.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 10:06:15
#356 - To use one of your kiddie text speaks - ffs!

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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:06:29
@354 "I wonder how the SNP are faring in their beloved 'polls' today. The warcry in my work this morning seems to be 'I'll never vote for those c---ts again'"


The Scotsman's own poll shows a 2:1 majority in favour of the release. I have as yet seen nothing to conflict with this view. Even the Daily Record's reader comments see a majority in favour.


Grahamski? You've gone all quiet, poppet. Doing some research into the causes of cancer, I trust.
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 21/08/2009 10:06:54
Grahamski,

I thought MacAskill was refering to Megrahi 'meeting' the higher power one day to answer for what he has done and not that God had given him cancer?
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. 21/08/2009 10:07:53
And for those sudden converts to hard-hearted international law feigning shock by this courageous decision, I remember one General Pinochet, Butcher of Chile who murdered hundreds of thousands then recently took tea with your Queen when we were asked to arrest him for his crimes. The London Minister refused because,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he was too old and frail to hurt any more people so we ordered him a plane home!
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:08:10
@359 "But 'higher power' implies God ... and you know it."


It implies different things to different people. It is the height of ignorance and arrogance to assume otherwise. I have no doubt that McAskill chose the words he did with great care, and that the absence of the word "God" was very deliberate.
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arc of insolvency,

21/08/2009 10:08:44
#337 it was Alex Salmond's SNP that laid the foundation for his heroes welcome.

This is party that will ban brandy from being sold with christmas puddings this year but release mass murderers! Do you really think anyone apart from the small gang of you hounding these message boards everyday, will take you seriously?
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 10:10:07
#366 - "This is party that will ban brandy from being sold with christmas puddings this year but release mass murderers!"

And YOU want to be taken seriously???
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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:10:07
No way am I reading 357 comments, from an initial skim a lot of them are gibberish.

This article is about the Lybian reaction isn't it? It's not surprising there have been scenes of triumphalism. What the Lybians seem to be forgetting is that it was Arab leaders as well as Western Governments who put Megrahi in Greenock.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 10:10:40
363
Nevsky

Mr MacAskill claimed that a higher power had 'sentenced' Mr Megrahi to death. No amount of obfuscation and pedantic sophistry from cybernats can change that.


If Mr MacAskill really believes that then he is not fir for office. If he doesn't believe it he shouldn't have said it.
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Man-O-Field,

Aberdeen 21/08/2009 10:12:18
By far the best critique of events leading up to the Lockerbie disaster is that by the publication 'Private Eye'. A special issue. This deals with known facts.
In a civilised country the appeal, now sabotaged, on behalf of Mr Megrahi would have been allowed to proceed. All of us, but in particular those suffering from the loss of relatives and friends, deserve the REAL TRUTH.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:12:28
359 Disagree I think Macaskill had to give a full statement as to his reasoning. Which he did. the higher power thing is a red herring. The reasoning behind his decision is what will count.
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Mike Partick,

21/08/2009 10:12:45
Grahamski - in case you hadn't noticed we all have a death sentence hanging over us - yourself included!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 10:13:31
369
'So that we are all clear on your thinking on this, will you please quote the actual text that you say supports your wild allegation?'

Certainly, From this morning's Guardian: "He (MacAskill) went on: "Mr Megrahi now faces a sentence imposed by a higher power. It is one that no court in any jurisdiction in any land can revoke or overrule. It is terminal, irrevocable and final."
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 10:13:36
362
Hey, Rev. How much compassion would you show to someone if they killed all your relatives, one by one, in the most appalling and despicable way. Right in front of your eyes! Now, if you had witnessed you families dying in front of your eyes just like the people of lockerbie then I'm sure your feelings towards compassion would change!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:13:56
370 You're a right fascist sometimes aren't you? Everyone's got to believe what Grahamski does or they're not fit for Office?
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arc of insolvency,

21/08/2009 10:14:58
~371 not like SNP supporters to abuse those who diagree with them atleast you are a mature and grown up individual we can take seriously!

Your party abused the trust and went against the wishes of the vast majority of the relatives for that you should be disgusted. As for being portrayed well in Russia get a grip and stop clutching at straws.
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John S,

21/08/2009 10:14:58
Part of the release statement from Megrahi
I would like to first of all take the opportunity to extend my gratitude to the many people of Scotland, and elsewhere, who have sent me their good wishes.
I bear no ill will to the people of Scotland; indeed, it is one of my regrets that I have been unable to experience any meaningful aspect of Scottish life, or to see your country.
To the staff in HM Prison Greenock, and before that at HM Prison Barlinnie, I wish to express thanks for the kindness that they were able to show me.
For those who assisted in my medical and nursing care; who tried to make my time here as comfortable as possible, I am of course grateful......etc etc
BBC - Thur, 20 August 2009 http://tiny.cc/v8m5I
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 10:16:00
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Observer,
So you're comfortable with a Justice secretary who believes god gives people cancer as a punishment?
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 21/08/2009 10:16:03
362 Rev. S. Campbell,Bath
"The Scotsman's own poll shows a 2:1 majority in favour of the release. I have as yet seen nothing to conflict with this view."

That's not really a very good indicator though. I voted agreement with the release of Megrahi in that poll and I will not be eligible to cast a vote in Scotland.

I think MacAskill made a hard and brave decision for the right reasons yesterday. The celebrations in Libya were an inevitable outcome of that. If many Libyans think that Megrahi did not commit the bombing then it is understandable that they would be pleased to see him freed.

If the USA are so outraged by the decision they should hold a full and fair judicial inquiry into the Lockerbie tragedy including disclosing fully the part of any of their own agencies. It will never happen, of course, but it should and then the families of the dead will get justice.
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The Scotchman,

21/08/2009 10:16:09
322 - "that has angered people around the world especially the US"

No it hasn't. Most don't care as it's USA, or will go against whatever USA say - all because it's big bad USA.

I've monitored channels and there's been practically nothing. Even when it was going on yesterday afternoon, State-owned Jamahiriya TV had nothing. They did not carry it.

There's only anger in the USA due to their own propaganda machine spouting out garabage - fed by the corrupt ones to save their own butt. Even then the word is this isn't even the main item over there.
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Guffie Ba,

Malvern 21/08/2009 10:16:26
One thing's for sure, Scotlands Business interests and Tourism will suffer because of this.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:16:49
@370 "Mr MacAskill claimed that a higher power had 'sentenced' Mr Megrahi to death. No amount of obfuscation and pedantic sophistry from cybernats can change that."


What causes cancer? Is it Nature or God? It's not a complicated question even for one of restricted comprehension like yourself. Why are you finding it so difficult to answer?
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:18:11
@381 "That's not really a very good indicator though. I voted agreement with the release of Megrahi in that poll and I will not be eligible to cast a vote in Scotland."

Oh, I agree with you that it's very far from conclusive, but as yet it's all we have to go on. Show me a poll (from outside America) that indicates the opposite and there's a debate.
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arc of insolvency,

21/08/2009 10:18:29
#377 the irony coming from an SNP supporter is jaw dropping. Do you see the abuse spouted in Soctland's name by some of your fellows? All they do is embaress it.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:18:39
378 Dispensing Justice is NOT a popularity contest. Macaskill did what he thought was right and gave a full explanation for his actions.

History will record that kindly, unlike pandering to the mob with their pitchforks.
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RogueTrooper,

NuEarth 21/08/2009 10:18:51
'The Scotsman's own poll shows a 2:1 majority in favour of the release '

How about a more credible source?
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neoloon,

Moray 21/08/2009 10:19:05
An accurate statement from MacAskill is predictably followed up by gutless unionist bleatings.Sadly,the unionists will continue their point-scoring right up until polling day.
As for the Scotsman and other unionist newspapers... talk about the Feart Fourth Estate!
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Mike Partick,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:19:47
Grahamski - you keep perpetuating a lie. Kenny Macaskill did NOT say that God gave Mr Al Megrahi cancer. Please learn to read.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:19:55
@380 "So you're comfortable with a Justice secretary who believes god gives people cancer as a punishment?"

He didn't say any such thing, as you've quite clearly shown us by quoting his words, which did not mention God once.

What causes cancer, Grahamski? By your silence I'm starting to think it's you.
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 10:19:59
375!
You are right - he shouldnt have said it and regarding his views on humanity and compassion - they are not shared by scotland. Scotland is a land of people with different views, cultures, religions - however, in SNP's mind all Scot's a tartan wearing, wiskey drinkers. He should not have spoken on behalf of Scotand. This was one mans decision and like he said - his alone. Well done to the Scottish justice system for allowing one man to make a decision of that proportion. It should have gone to a vote in parliament or via a special commitee reperesenting all interested parties.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:20:30
@388 "How about a more credible source?"

How about it indeed. Why not show us one?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:22:49
380 I don't think that's exactly what he said Grahamski and neither do you. But I can forgive his little bit of mysticism seeing as how I agreed with his conclusion that releasing Megrahi was right.

Particularly as he gave no indication that he queried the original conviction. If he thinks Megrahi is guilty but still released him on compassionate grounds that is quite impressive from my point of view.
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buller,

Macduff 21/08/2009 10:22:50
These Countries will never change , LIFE IS CHEAP !

Get the troops home and police our own borders!

ex SNP Voter

sick sick sick
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:23:02
@392 "Well done to the Scottish justice system for allowing one man to make a decision of that proportion."


Er, yes. Traditionally that would be the entire point of having a Justice Secretary.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. 21/08/2009 10:23:25
#353, Thank you. It is encouraging to read that blatant gerrymandering Scotland's last elections by Douglas Alexander was crazy. I have concerns about the meetings between Mandelson and Gaddafi's sons. I also agree with you about Tony Blair's not-so-secret prisoner Exchange scheme with Gaddafi was indeed crazy (as you say) but the refusal of the British government to give the Scottish government any details of it's corrupt deals with the USA was High Treason.

A for your thoughts about SNP supporters? I don't think we have a branch here in HULL?
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Mikey,

21/08/2009 10:24:18
Isn't it strange how all the Quislings tend to sign themselves as being meek and mild? "Voice of reason" comes to mind immediately. An out and out Quisling with tendencies toward the wee mustache brigade and "Grahamski" whose choice of moniker tends to direct us toward a socialist alternative, when in reality, he's just another Mandelson who wouldn't know socialism if it fell on him from a very great height.

I can just imagine the heroes of Westminter sitting around yesterday morning and thanking the big yin that they didn't have to make the decision and by this morning, seeing the polls and cursing that they DIDN'T make the decision! Never mind, the Westmonster trolls will lie through their (very) tiny minds!
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 10:24:25
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Oi Poppet! Not responding to 376! thought not!
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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:24:39
392 Don't sell anything to anybody using that moniker. You could be done under the Trade Descriptions Act.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 21/08/2009 10:27:15
#383- As an Ameican radio comentatior said today on Radio Scotland - this is a one day wonder. All they are aware is the terms "convicted bomber" and "released" - they no nothing of the details of this case.

It will not affect tourism from Europe (by far the biggest numbers). I think the exchange rates may have more of an effect.

Anyone who changes their vote based on this shouldn't be allowed to vote, 'cos their too thick. There are far more important issues at play than prisoner release (which was a Labour policy!!)

Finally, as I must go back to work, all you numpites who are going on about "cybernats" - you don't get the irony that you are doing exactly the same, using this to attack the SNP. I would hold the same opinion no matter who made the decision.

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Sedov,

21/08/2009 10:27:35
#362 Rev etc, be careful how you look at this issue.

The 2-1 support for the release of Magrahi may not be a 2-1 support for the reasons that Kenny Mac gave for his release, which was compassion and mercy.

Many people in Scotland, like myself, think that Magrahi was the scapegoat and cover for others, maybe Iranians and that an injustice was made in finding him alone guilty.

Thus, like myself, many are pleased to see him released because of the serious dougbt about his guilt AND NOT because of the reasons that Kenny Mac gave.

So a 2-1 in favour of his release does not neccessarily mean a 2-1 vote of confidence in Kenny Mac or the SNP. If that is what you are implying?
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 10:28:36
362 - the whole point im trying to make is that it is wrong and the system is wrong. It's a bit like a ball going into the back of the net and the referee turns a blind. The Stadium sees it, the tv viewers see it, the world sees it but because of one stupid man and one stupid system it's not allowed - therefore, the right result is not achieved and justice is not served. AND in this case justice is not served either.
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A. Mcleod,

Highland 21/08/2009 10:29:03
So, MacAskill releases foreigner Megrahi on compassionate grounds. Why wont MacAskill then disclose to me whether a prisoner was on home leave at the time of my nephew Kevin Mcleods death. Data Protection Act - Aye right !! Kenny boy knows this is another obstacle that he will in the near future have to explain.
It appears foreigners are afforded access to our Justice system while we Scots are completely ignored.
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Joanna,

Cambs, England 21/08/2009 10:30:57
MacAskill sounded nervous yesterday and his voice was strained on occasions but I thought he spoke well. He sounded as if he had done some serious soul-searching, his words about the victims and their families sounded genunine and heartfelt. He released Megrahi on the grounds of compassion and mercy and I think he was right.

To show compassion is not a sign of weakness, it is a strength, MacAskill demonstrated that yesterday and Scotland should be proud.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:30:59
@405 "So a 2-1 in favour of his release does not neccessarily mean a 2-1 vote of confidence in Kenny Mac or the SNP. If that is what you are implying?"

I'm not implying that at all. All I'm doing is countering the allegation that's been made repeatedly that this decision is massively contrary to the wishes of the people of Scotland and will therefore backfire on the SNP. It might or might not be, but the only evidence currently available seems to show that the decision is in accordance with the views of the people, for whatever reason.
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Mr Sensible,

21/08/2009 10:31:22
Those who don't agree with this release should take a look at this article regarding the shooting down of a civilian aircraft with the loss of innocent lives.It is also worth noting the statement of George Bush Senior who was reagans deputy.So to all those yanks and their followers crying foul over this release,look at your own govrenment before casting judgment on others.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/shootingdown_iranair_flight655.php
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Wise Man,

21/08/2009 10:31:25
Hey, I dont agree with that either! So, dont call me a unionist becuase I'm not. Anyway, to compare biggs with lockerbie is not a credible argument. It's totally out of disproportion.
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Mike Partick,

Glasgow 21/08/2009 10:32:02
"Wise man" - I'll take it from your postings that you have given yourself an ironic moniker ;-)

As a "wise man" I'd have thought that you would know something of Christian ethics - when you ask a Christian minister, in what seems to be a surprised manner, whether he would want to have compassion on those who mistreated him or his family I can only presume you've never heard about Jesus forgiving those who crucified him.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:32:50
@406 "AND in this case justice is not served either."

The Scottish court which in 2007 found prima facie evidence that Megrahi had suffered a miscarriage of justice and therefore granted him leave for a second appeal might well agree with you, though perhaps not for the same reasons.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

21/08/2009 10:33:57
One interesting aspect of this decision by the Justice Minister which appears to have escaped the unionista hyenas howling from the sidelines is that Kenny MacAskill has backed the recommendations received from the Greenock Prison Governor, the SPS medical advisors, the Scottish Parole Board and the precedents set by previous compassion release applications.

It appears to me that he has reached the only logical and reasonable decision available to him under the auspices of Scots Law.

To have decided otherwise would have subjected both him and the Scottish Government in general open to both judicial review and accusations of political interference in the justice system.

If the unionista yelpers from the sidelines wish to question the validity of the decision, let them do so during the recall of Parliament and justify why they could have reached a contrary conclusion within the law of our land.

They could also force a Scottish general election by proposing a motion of no confidence in the SNP Government on this issue.

I dare them!
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BlackDouglas2,

Madrid but soon Asia 21/08/2009 10:34:12
The Americans have no moral authority anyway. After creating Islamic fundamentaism in Afghanistan, after their genocidal wars simply to satisfy the fascist money-men who have taken over the Washinton government in a coup, after looting their entire population's wealth on behalf of their real government - Goldman Sachs and after their military involvement that has brought down democratic governments all over the world for the sake of geo-politics, after undermining international law, after involving the UK torture rendition flights and guantanamo, after supporting Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing in the middle-east.

What right do they have to pontificate and try to ram their sick, reactionary, hypocrtical and bloodthirsty ideas of justice down the throats of a civilised country like Scotland?

Provoking racist and emperialist bilge on these forums brings nothing but shame on a newspaper that once reflected much of what Scotland stood for but is now reduced to a corporate, crypto-fascist propoganda rag.

Scotland stands proud in the world today. A beacon of hope for peace and understanding in the world!

The SNP have shown that Scotland can stand as a moral giant in the world!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/08/2009 10:35:43
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"I don't think that's exactly what he said"
No, what he said exactly was:
"Mr Megrahi now faces a sentence imposed by a higher power...It is terminal, irrevocable and final."
So, according to Mr MacAskill, Mr Megrahi has been sentenced to death by cancer. And who has done this sentencing?
A higher power ie god.
If you were seriously comfortable with this I'd be really surprised.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2009 10:37:26
@417 "So, according to Mr MacAskill, Mr Megrahi has been sentenced to death by cancer. And who has done this sentencing?
A higher power ie god."


"A higher power" does not equal "God".

What causes cancer, Grahamski? Is it the SNP? I feel sure you'd have mentioned it before now if it was. So is it Nature, or is it God? I did ask this before but oddly you seem to have missed it.
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Mike Partick,

21/08/2009 10:37:30
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Grahamski - I'm perfectly comfortable with it for the reasons ihave already set out and which you continue to fail to respond to as it suits your argument...or should I say axe-grinding?