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MPs move to let scientists use hybrid embryos



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SCIENTISTS have been given the green light to use animal-human hybrid embryos for medical research after MPs yesterday resisted calls for an outright ban.
After hours of anguished debate over the ethics and science behind embryonic research, they decided to back the use of hybrid embryos in the search for medical cures and greater understanding of serious illnesses and allow parents of children suffering serious diseases to use in-vitro fertilisation to select "saviour siblings" who can act as donors for transplants to save their sick brothers and sisters.

A proposed ban on hybrid embryos was voted down by 336 to 176, as the substantive part of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill sailed through the Commons. It will make Britain one of the few countries that regulates and sanctions the use of hybrid, or "admix", embryos and could also provide a boost to the bioscience industry in research centres such as at Edinburgh University.

Three Cabinet ministers voted against the use of hybrid embryos: Des Browne, the Defence and Scottish Secretary; Ruth Kelly, the Transport Secretary and Paul Murphy, the Welsh Secretary. The majority of the shadow cabinet – including shadow foreign secretary William Hague and shadow home secretary David Davis – also backed the ban, even though David Cameron, the Conservative Party leader, voted against.

Religious leaders say hybrid embryos threaten the sanctity of human life and their efficacy in research is unproven. Many MPs disputed Gordon Brown's claims that the development of hybrid embryos was a "moral endeavour" that would potentially save millions of lives.

All the opposition parties have been given a free vote on the entire Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, while Labour MPs have free votes only on four areas: human-animal hybrids; the creation of saviour siblings; the access to a father figure when considering a woman for fertility treatment and the time-limit on abortion.

Last night, the main debate was around the issue of "admix" embryos, where the nuclei of human cells are inserted into animal eggs and kept alive for up to 14 days for research.

Edward Leigh, the Tory MP who introduced an amendment to ban hybrid embryos, argued that there was "no evidence yet to substantiate" claims this may lead to treatment for Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.

Mr Leigh, a former minister, said: "We do not believe that regulation is enough. We believe this is a step too far and, therefore, should be banned.

"In embryos, we do have the genetic make-up of a complete human being and we could not, and should not, be spliced together with the animal kingdom." He added: "I believe that science is doing wonderful things, but it can also do terrible things. I do think Science should be our servant and not our master."

The debate cut across party lines. , with some MPs allowed a free vote on the matter after heaping pressure on Gordon Brown Sir Gerald Kaufman, a former Labour minister, also opposed the hybrid embryo research, saying: "How far do you go? Where do you stop? What are the limits and what are the boundaries? If you permit the creation of hybrid embryos now, what will you seek to permit next time, even if you have no idea where it will lead?"

But Chris Bryant, the Labour MP for Rhondda and a former Anglican curate, compared Mr Leigh's arguments with those used by church leaders against the smallpox vaccine.

"They were wrong, and I think you are wrong today," he said.
Critics of the legislation have branded it "Frankenstein science," and Mr Leigh quoted from the Mary Shelley classic.

"If an embryo could talk, perhaps it would echo what Mary Shelley did say in Frankenstein: 'I, the miserable and the abandoned, am an abortion to be spurned at and kicked and trampled on'."

Labour's Ian Gibson, a former cancer researcher, said his support for the bill had been "fired up" by letters from constituents grappling with illnesses. He said scientists should be encouraged to "try everything".

He told the Commons said: "I would be the last person to prevent our scientific and medical community trying to develop the kind of cures that help people."

FOR

Research holds key to treatments

WE WELCOME the passage of this bill. It would enable the development of embryonic stem cell research to progress and, over time, it has the potential to benefit people with dementia and their carers.

Hybrid embryos are important. We still need to do a lot of experimentation to understand how stem cells develop and the conditions in which they can grow.

In the short term, there are not enough adult stem cells to do this research on the scale required. At the moment, adult stem cells come from fertility treatment, umbilical cord material or new experimental techniques that do not use embryos but are still in an early experimental phase.

There are not enough to go around, so hybrid embryos are the next best thing.

What is crucial to understand is that these embryos are not likely to be used for treatment. They will hopefully lead to better understanding of how stem cells work which, in turn, makes the discovery of therapies more likely. They are not going to be implanted in patients.

It's a discovery curve and there are no guarantees about which way the science will go. We have got to have access to new techniques and this is one well worth exploring.

• Jim Jackson is chief executive of Alzheimer Scotland.

AGAINST

Unethical work which blurs nature's boundaries

THE decision to support animal-human hybrid embryology is both unnecessary and unethical.

By caving into pressure from the biotechnology industry, the government has patronisingly dismissed major moral and ethical concerns.

Research published last year after the bill was printed shows that skin cells can be reprogrammed to have all the potential of embryonic stem cells. These induced pluripotent stem cells make any need for hybrid embryos redundant.

We believe the work is also unethical because it blurs established boundaries in nature. As Christians, we recognise that humans are made in the image of God and should not be blasphemed against in this way.

There is less agreement on the exact meaning of those terms, but most Christians agree it at least implies that humans are, in some sense, special and distinct from other parts of creation.

We also uphold the biblical prohibition of the unlawful mixing of "kinds". In the biblical perspective, species integrity is ultimately defined by God rather than by physical features. The fusion of human and non-human genomes may therefore be perceived as running counter to the sacredness of human life and humanity created in the image of God.

While biology perhaps does not give us clear enough boundaries to justify a prohibition, concepts arising from a Christian view of humanity certainly do.

If the world's scientific community decided not to pursue this particular direction of research, then new avenues would almost certainly open up and lead to alternative modes of finding cures and treatments.

• Dr Andrew Fergusson is communications director for Christian Medical Fellowship.






The full article contains 1190 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 20 May 2008 12:33 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 00:48:02

Another 'STEP' Will it be a good one,?

To late now to,..'Cry Wolf' Later!
2

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 20/05/2008 06:01:33
Another desperate attempt by Labour to shore up its political base. Half Monkeys with Red Rosettes.
3

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 20/05/2008 07:17:53
Russian Roulette, eh. Nothing more scary than ignorance in action.
4

Unimpressed one,

20/05/2008 08:16:47
Usual big song and dance over nothing. The biotechnology industry is hanging on by its fingernails in the UK. I think the luddites will still attempt to hound them out over this in the long run, but we will all benefit one day when more enlightened parts of the world carry on with this research.
5

hertscot,

20/05/2008 08:30:33
"MPs move to let scientists use hybrid embryos" - bloody sensible they've been too.
6

Boy Wonder,

20/05/2008 09:09:05
It IS the right thing to do. These embryos will never be viable for birthing, so why not use the tissue to help create medicines and possible cures?

Those who follow a religion and think this is "immoral" are trying once again to impose their will on the majority.

Now bring on the rest.
7

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 20/05/2008 09:25:18
Half Man Half Horse = A License to Sh*t In The Street. Look on the bright side at least the Zoo is gonna become a bit more interesting...
8

,

20/05/2008 09:32:57
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9

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 20/05/2008 09:52:52
#7 thanks for that, I have tears of laughter running down my cheeks, hell I hope they don't get on my hooves, CHEERS MATE.
10

Caratacus,

West Swindon 20/05/2008 09:53:53
Who knows what we'll have next? A human/god hybrid that we can cannabalize to make us feel better?
11

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 20/05/2008 10:45:07
This debate can't move on until people realise the difference between science and Religion.Put it this way if some one came to your door looking for your vote,and told you their policy decisions were taken by fairies and goblins,Would you want them in office?We cant let religious fools dictate our lives.(Can anyone explain transubstantiation to me with a straight face?)
12

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 11:12:52
I'm terrified of where this may lead. And religion has nothing to do with it.
13

Bigwull,

edinburgh 20/05/2008 11:27:29
Well thats the religious nutters lost that vote, onto to the next one, whats next their old favorite abortion, surprise surprise.
14

FS,

Stirling 20/05/2008 11:28:42
#12 great point. So often criticising this sort of thing gets you labelled a religious nut. One doesn't have to have religous faith to believe mixing animals and humans is wrong.
15

hassan i sabbah,

edinburgh 20/05/2008 12:30:03
OOh I don't understand,OOoh I'm frightened.Are you still scared of the dark?
16

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 12:37:13
#15, I'm very frightened of what scientists like Dr Joseph Mengele did before and might do again. We simply can't take the risk of allowing such experiments. Whatever the advantages might be, the risks are too appalling and the price is just too high.
17

Dan DDS,

Rocky River, Ohio 20/05/2008 12:38:11
With so few genes separating us from the apes is it really necessary to use human embryos before the ape genes prove inadequate for certain research?

Darwin said man sprang from the monkeys. Some haven't sprung far enough
18

Regret,

20/05/2008 12:48:39
"Gordon Brown's claims that the development of hybrid embryos was a "moral endeavour" that would potentially save millions of lives." THIS IS THE SAME CARROT THAT HAS BEEN DANGLED IN FRONT OF THE TRUSTING OR DESPERATE PEOPLE SINCE THE BEGINNING.
"If you permit the creation of hybrid embryos now, what will you seek to permit next time, even if you have no idea where it will lead?" IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH - WILL THOSE 14 DAYS THEY TALK OF BE LENGTHENED? - THE EMBRYOS BE IMPLANTED?
"Research published last year after the bill was printed shows that skin cells can be reprogrammed to have all the potential of embryonic stem cells. These induced pluripotent stem cells make any need for hybrid embryos redundant." IF THIS IS TRUE - THERE IS MORE GOING ON WITH THESE ANIMAL/HUMAN MIXING THAN THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW! COULD THIS BE THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF HUMAN RACE AS WE KNOW?
19

Paula,

20/05/2008 12:59:59
This is wrong on so many levels. The argument that they can find cures to diseases, really? How do they know this is definitely going to do that? I have watched relatives fade with alzheimers, my dad has early onset alzheimers, yet I know none of them would ever think this was the answer, or a way to the answer.

A step far too far and as for the spare-part siblings, God what an awful way to bring a child into the world. Has no one read Never Let Me Go, because that is the next link to this.
20

Em,

20/05/2008 13:17:37
12 & 14 well said.

I find it amusing that certain people say they don't need to have religious beliefs in order to have morals, yet with regard to this subject, anyone arguying from a moral standpoint and claiming the creation of human/animal embryos to be wrong is autimacally regarded as having religious reasons for this view by the very people who claim that religion is not a necessity for morals.

It is understandable however why people consider those who oppose the creation of human/animal embryos to be a bunch of religious nutters when you witness the blatant propaganda surrounding the issue painting people as such, last nights episode of dispatches was no exception, it followed around a group of religious extremists cutting between them and the current parliamentary debates surrounding the issue of human/animal embryos. The makers of the programme recieved their desired outcome of course as anyone watching would believe that those opposed to the creation of hybrid embryos were all off their head religious fanatics.

#19 Paula - And they say slavery was outlawed.
21

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 13:21:43
Coool !

Just one thing though - if they save millions of lives and we all become immortal horse/pig/mouse gods what are we gonna do for space on the planet in about 20 years time ?
22

Calvinist,

20/05/2008 13:24:09
Here we go again!

We had an excellent informed exchange of views on this topic on these pages yesterday and now we’re back again to the usual emotive, reflex decerebrate garbage. If this frightens you may I suggest it is because you are IGNORANT of the facts? The usual clichéd nonsense about Mangle, Frankenstein etc gets you nowhere. Do you seriously think that scientists are motivated by malice? Give us a break!
23

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 13:29:26
> Do you seriously think that scientists are motivated by malice?

There have been scientists motivated, if not by malice, at least by amoral curiosity - an example being Dr Joseph Mengele. Trofim Denisovich Lysenko was also a scientist I wouldn't be inclined to trust or support, although Stalin did.

For the sake of humankind we can't afford to go down this road.
24

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 13:37:33
#23 - quoting 2 negative examples hardly makes a case! There are more positive guys working in this field than just ones winning Nobel prizes.
Excllent news - those suffering from Motor Neurone and their families may not see any current benifit but hopefully their offspring will.
25

911 was an inside job.,

20/05/2008 13:42:17
Well NuLabour needs people who were born from human-animal hybrid embryos to vote for them when they turn 18. No one else will.
26

Mary Bell,

,USA 20/05/2008 14:28:33
While humans are still slaughtering their fellow-citizens of the planet in wars, industry clearly does not have the wisdom to persue such risky research.

This sounds like a Monsanto, DuPont, Dow, Syngenta lobby coup. These groups create genetically modifide (GM) foods that cause serious illnesses, and death. Many observers would add poverty and famine to that list.

These same mega-merged corporations also manifacture the coal and poisonous ground oil based 'legal' medications that target these new illnesses. They are clearly unconcerned that their medicines kill hundreds of thousands of people every year.

Let them set aside their greed; and research methods to promote universal respect, prosperity, and global health instead!

The government should re-think and reverse their decision.
27

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 14:29:16
#24, even one negative example is enough, if it's sufficiently terrifying. The possible horrors of such research are so great as to make the price of the possible cures you mention too great for humankind to pay.
28

Macd123,

20/05/2008 14:43:22
#27 What possible horrors? Please explain what they are. Do you fully understand what is being proposed?
29

Caratacus,

West Britain 20/05/2008 15:02:42
#28
It's quite simple.. Monkey cats with human eyebrows! Isn't it obvious?
30

Em,

20/05/2008 15:31:19
Why was my comment @8 to Boy wonder removed?

I simply pointed out that he was going a step ev
31

Em,

20/05/2008 15:33:58
Why was my comment @8 to Boy wonder removed?

I simply pointed out that he was going a step even further by suggesting that they be used to create medicine instead of being limited to the research purposes currently proposed.
32

Scottish not British,

20/05/2008 17:22:50
They say they're using it to treat various diseases but will they restrict it to that? Doubtful once the public have more or less accepted it, it'll be a step further and then another and so on until they can do basically anything they want (for example create them to fight in the armed forces etc.) and by that point it will be too late.
As for the ethics of the situation what will these things be,will they be subject to human or animal rights?
Brave New World right enough.
33

Warden An' All, Reborn,

20/05/2008 17:38:45
27/Urban Guerrilla- I'm not trying to be funny here, but you do realise these experiments are for the dish and not to go on to be born don't you?
34

getinnnn,

Scotland 20/05/2008 17:57:54
A lot worse than this probably is already happening and there is no way We would be told: I think what the public are being told in all matters is just one little tip in a huge iceberg.
35

An Beal Bacht,

20/05/2008 18:37:28
Disgusting!
36

Calvinist,

20/05/2008 20:56:05

Urban Gorilla:

Medical science cannot yet cure paranoid delusions but it can control the symptoms so there is still hope for you and the other unfortunates who share your paranoia.

A couple of points of information:

1 Josef Mengele was not a scientist- he was a medical practitioner. I'm surprised you did not also mention Harold Shipman or Dr. Crippen in your little list of horrors.

2 What Lysenko did was discredited by the scientific process itself. His work was roundly condemned by all western scientific learned institutions in the same way as phrenology and all other pseudo-sciences. He was supported by people like you who approach all things through uncritical ideology.

Any more good examples of the 0.00001% kind?

Let's face it you lost the argument and you're in a terrible huff.
37

indune1,

Canada 21/05/2008 02:10:11
7 - Banana Heid - surely you can do better than that?

A license to sh*t in the street.

Hmm. I rather like half man-half mink or half man - half dog. A license to sh*ag in the street. But, just a mo': you do that already don't you?
38

Ted Voth Jr,

Mad Town Wes' Consin 21/05/2008 06:10:17
Blasphemy and abomination; why contaminate an innocent animal with Adam's sin? Shame.

I'm a Christian, but normally because of my walk with God in Christ I line up on the same side as the liberals. I've read the Book and I know where God's concerns lie.

There are some things that are unconscionable. To risk sending some ignorant half-chimp to hell for the sin of mankind?

You'll notice that I'm more concerned about the chimpanzee side? I told you I wasn't a 'normal' believer; it's a certain 'noblesse oblige' we have to our fellow non-human critters.
39

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 21/05/2008 14:08:34
#33, >L 27/Urban Guerrilla- I'm not trying to be funny here, but you do realise these experiments are for the dish and not to go on to be born don't you?

To believe this, you have to trust the government 100% and trust the scientists 100%.

I'm not that trusting, I'm afraid.
40

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 21/05/2008 14:09:48
#36, see my reply to #33.

 

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