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Pledge to reclaim Scottish history for our children



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Published Date: 21 January 2008
SCOTTISH history is to be restored to its position at the heart of the school curriculum to combat young people's "ignorance" of their nation's past, the education secretary promises today.
Fiona Hyslop maintains that making history relevant to the lives of children will "create a better understanding of how Scotland came to be, where it is now and the part the nation could play in shaping the future".

In a move likely to be greeted with suspicion by Unionist parties, the Nationalist education secretary makes it clear that Scottish history will be at the heart of teaching in schools.

Writing exclusively in The Scotsman, Ms Hyslop cites research showing pupils know little about pivotal events in Scotland's history such as the Act of Union and Battle of Culloden. She adds: "This is an unacceptable situation which must be reversed."

Ms Hyslop refers to a study of 3,000 16-year-old pupils from schools across Scotland in 1999. When offered alternatives as to why Scotland became part of the United Kingdom in 1707, 37 per cent chose "because English forces conquered it". The Battle of Culloden, meanwhile, was seen as a conflict between "wholly Scottish and wholly English armies" by 41 per cent of pupils.

Fifty per cent of pupils believed "there have always been Protestants and Catholics in Scotland", famous Scots such as Adam Smith were virtually unknown, while a handful of pupils attributed the invention of the hamburger to Ramsay MacDonald, the Scot who became Britain's first Labour prime minister.

Writing in The Scotsman in 2004, Sydney Wood, a teaching fellow in history at Dundee University, who carried out the research in 1999, stated: "There is no strong reason for thinking there has been a dramatic change since.

"The overwhelming conclusion displayed two dimensions – massive ignorance and a tendency to attribute Scottish woes to the English."

Ms Hyslop's announcement is likely to be welcomed by academics who have long argued Scottish history has been neglected in the curriculum north of the Border. This argument led to conflict with Peter Peacock, a former Labour education minister in the previous Scottish Executive, who said history did not have to be a "stand-alone" subject – a move that was seen as downgrading its importance in the curriculum.

Writing on the day new curriculum guidance for schools is published, Ms Hyslop claims that, in Scotland, "the average person's grasp of events from the nation's past are thin".

She adds: "For many, their only brush with history is when delivering the lyrics of a passionate song, usually with gusto at sporting events.

"Flower of Scotland is a wonderful combination: a stirring anthem and a history lesson. What a marvellous achievement it would be to arouse the same passion in people about the rest of this proud nation's history."

Ms Hyslop claims the new approach will ensure future generations of children do not miss out on discovering the nation's "proud" history.

She adds: "Scotland's young people must reclaim the past and understand this nation's history for what it really is – a story of immense achievement in industry, medicine, science and literature on a scale which belies the size of the population."

The draft outcomes outline what children will be expected to achieve in social sciences, including history, across their schooling. They demonstrate a marked shift away from teaching specific topics such as the Second World War to a certain age group towards ensuring youngsters understand how events of the past relate to their own lives and Scotland today.

The guidelines state children will be expected to gain understanding of how Scotland has developed as a nation.

The document states: "Children and young people learn about human achievements and how to make sense of the changes in society, conflicts and environmental issues. With greater understanding comes the opportunity to influence events by exercising informed and responsible citizenship."

Ms Hyslop is not the first minister to try to emphasise the position of Scottish history in the curriculum. In 1997, Michael Forsyth, the then Tory Scottish secretary, called for a new Standard Grade in Scottish history, but did not remain in office long enough to keep his promise.

However, Mr Peacock was criticised for suggesting in 2005 that history would disappear as a separate subject. He said: "Perhaps we will not be teaching it in the same way, in a timetabled slot marked 'history', but as a contributor to broader forms of learning."

His comments sparked anger among historians, one of whom, Professor Tom Devine, described them as "an educational disgrace".

The guidelines published today are the latest element of the forthcoming new curriculum, described as the biggest ever change to Scottish school education. They reveal that, in future, social sciences will be divided into three broad areas: people, past events and societies; people, place and environment and people in society, economy and business.

There will also be a new emphasis on making history relevant to children's own experiences, while the use of collaborative learning, technology and field trips will be encouraged. For example, the youngest children should be able to make a link to the past through people or events in their own lives and older children will have to investigate a Scottish historical theme to discover how the past or people from the past have shaped Scottish society.

Ms Hyslop claims the new curriculum will consist of more than just dates which "tie endless stories of kings, corpses and coronations together", but will make history relevant to shaping the future of Scotland's children.

She adds: "This is the key to bringing history and the school curriculum to life in Scotland. By making history relevant to children today, we can create a better understanding of how Scotland came to be, where it is now and the part the nation could play in shaping the future."

Peter Hillis, professor of history education at in Strathclyde University, said: "Many teachers will welcome the guidance because it is quite flexible and will probably allow them to do much of what is currently done.

"The guidelines are in fairly general terms and they have done their best to distill them down to key areas. There is more emphasis on Scottish history in the outcomes, not to the exclusion of British or international history."

However, Prof Hillis also voiced concerns that a lack of guidance on which historical topics children should learn about could lead to a lack of appropriate teaching materials.

The full article contains 1079 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 21 January 2008 12:00 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Royster,

21/01/2008 00:08:40
As a Unionist I have no problem with this.
2

druidh,

edinburgh 21/01/2008 00:44:53
I still recall our classroom having a freize showing all the Kings and Queens - from Norman the Conquerer onwards. As child, it was never explained to me that this wasn't MY history. And as the article points out, much of the anti-English sentiment is fuelled by half-truths and misunderstandings about Anglo-Scottish relations. Informing our children might (a) reduce that feeling and (b) restore some pride in our own achievements.
3

britfree,

camelon 21/01/2008 00:45:32
william wallace WAS anti english gasp! but its OK though. he wouldnt have been doing his job of standing up to foreign invasion avenging berwick restoring the rights of the nation generally without a teensy weensy bit of antipathy towards the english. its a shame we had to import him from australia though
4

Bridged and tunnelled,

21/01/2008 01:09:30
I recall reading (and reveling in) loads about Scottish history when I was at school - in primary particularly.

If its place has been lost over the last couple of decades, of course it should make a reappearance. But let's face it, history should never be at the heart of the curriculum. We really ought to be a bit more forward looking than that.
5

weeshooie1,

Australia 21/01/2008 01:17:37
"AT LAST".

It was always one of my favourite subjects at primary school and later. Why was it ever withdrawn from the curriculum in the first place?
6

John Blackley,

florida 21/01/2008 01:18:09
I think some people might have difficulty with the wording "at the heart of the curriculum". However, any move to restore history - particularly Scottish history - as one of a few core curriculum subjects has my whole-hearted support.

One of the bases of pride in citizenship is knowing the history of your country. Without that, you have less reason to be proud to be a Scot, less self-respect and less reason to be a part of the community of Scots worldwide.

In short, you are one step closer to being a yob.
7

Guga II,

Rockall 21/01/2008 01:23:45
It's a sad state of affairs when Scottish children are not only not taught Scottish history, but are abysmally ignorant of it. Even many adults are in a similar position. They know all about the English/German kings, but lack any knowledge of their own kings, especially before that sad day in 1603 when one of our kings was foolish enough to accept the English throne.

History is, and remains an important subject. We should know all about the origins of our society if for no other reason than to avoid repeating the same mistakes we have already made.

Like other subjects on the Scottish curriculum, children should be taught Scottish history, geography, languages and literature, instead of being force fed foreign stuff in lieu. Why should our children continue to be taught about some numpty that burned some cakes, but no mention is made of Nechtan the Great?
8

britfree,

camelon 21/01/2008 01:29:36
#5 yeah.history is rubbish now i preferred it back in olden days when it didnt have to impact on current affairs we should just get on with reconciling ourselves to our present position and strive to be better at being ignorant of all that nasty UGH!!STUFF
9

Senga Jean,

Scotland 21/01/2008 01:34:04
They tried to airbrush our history and almost succeeded. The Unionists would have to say now they have no problem with this. "They were caught with their hand in the cookie jar". Last week one clown asserted that Scotland was never ever a country. Did anyone watch "Joan of Ark" In 1420 England was an island! Ignorance of the highest order.
10

Scullion,

Canada 21/01/2008 01:43:40
I'm not sure that even promoting Scottish history will make scholars of those who aren't interested in the first place. However, I fully encourage the attempt.
Mind you, I avoided Canadian history like the plague in high school and opted for the far more interesting courses in American history (mea culpa).
11

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21/01/2008 01:44:28
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12

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 21/01/2008 02:00:21
Question is...Will our children be really interested.?

Answer.. NO.!
But maybe they will think, 'a-bit' about it.

According to the 'Health News' in this Paper, all they are interested in,
Is becoming 'Big Fatty's' by playing computer Games!
13

Em,

21/01/2008 02:01:46
#8 & 10 Nice one.

I remember history lessons when I was at school, they were thouroughly boring, uninspiring and lacking in passion. It wasn't until I left school that I began to develop an interest in our nations real history (not the stuff that appears in school text books)

History has been deemed as less important than other subjects on the curriculum allowing inadequate material to form the basis of lessons, but knowing your nations history plays a major role in shaping the attitudes and opinions of our country's future citizens, this fact is well known among those who decide what will, and more importantly what will not be taught in our schools.
The whole situation reminds me of that famous quote "History is written by the winners."
14

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 02:12:10
Don't think much will change.

Prof. Hills says:

"The guidelines are in fairly general terms and they have done their best to distill them down to key areas. There is more emphasis on Scottish history in the outcomes, not to the exclusion of British or international history."

More emphasis on Scottish history in the outcomes? What the hell does that mean? It's okay by me as long as the outcome is an independent Scotland. Is that what he means - dae ye think?
15

scotleag,

21/01/2008 02:18:45
"Ms Hyslop refers to a study of 3,000 16-year-old pupils from schools across Scotland in 1999. When offered alternatives as to why Scotland became part of the United Kingdom in 1707, 37 per cent chose "because English forces conquered it". The Battle of Culloden, meanwhile, was seen as a conflict between "wholly Scottish and wholly English armies" by 41 per cent of pupils."

Judging by the attitudes shown by most pro-SNP posters here I presume her intention is to drive those figures UP
16

James,

Dundee 21/01/2008 02:41:15
#16 Scotgael

There was a general consensus for once on this thread. Until an Amadán such as you couldnt resist a back-stab.

Surely it is better to be informed than ignorant, or is enlightenment the privelige of our 'betters' such as yourself?
17

Willie Macleod,

Wick 21/01/2008 02:56:07
I agree consnsus would be good but youwill not get it here there are to many like #16 stirrinng things up
18

Willie Macleod,

Wick 21/01/2008 02:58:37
Sorry that should have been!15My apologies #16
19

John Blackley,

Florida 21/01/2008 02:59:29
Further to my last post: Children require role models and heroes. Granted, the majority of children in Scotland's schools today will - no matter how much time we devote to teaching history - still adopt, as their heroes, some bowly-legged, spitting, professional-fowling fitba' player or other. Our task, as adults, is to increase the minority.

In African communities in the United States, many children have been rescued from the gang culture by focussing lessons on great Africans and on African history. Give kids someone to emulate and some will be saved.

If Scotland can teach its children that to be Scottish is to be the custodian of a proud history, that to be Scottish is to be one of a line that included great men and women, that to be Scottish means that greatness is not only possible but probable, then we will go some way to increasing the minority.
20

W Smith,

Middle East 21/01/2008 03:14:44
So Osama Saeed and the other muslim 'Scots' will be taking the Scottish history lessons then, eh?

1) Our patron saint, Andrew is jewish.

2) Scotland's flag represents the cross on which Andrew was martyred for his chistian faith.

3) The Declaration of Arbroath complains to the Pope that the English should spend more energy on the Crusades.

4) The Declaration of Arbroath refers to Jesus Christ as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

5) Lord Arthur James Balfour, as in the Balfour Declaration, was from East Lothian.

Will Kenny MacAskill rush down to Edinburgh Central Mosque to apologise for all this?
21

Helene,

Ontario, Canada 21/01/2008 03:21:10
With such a linear history, Scotland is fortunate. Teach it. It's fascinating. Canadian history by comparison is so convoluted and "spiral" that's it's hard to untangle all the strands. Everything Scottish is so much admired around the world that you should revel in it.
22

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

21/01/2008 03:21:30
I always found it rather strange, if not alarming, that Scottish history was not taught as part of the curriculum.

Given most nations teach their own history, would it be possible for previous administrations, to explain why this was not done under their watch?

23

Very Rev Ian Paisley,

21/01/2008 03:23:42
6

Why would anyone remove their own histroy from the curriculum I wonder? Seems very odd
24

britfree,

camelon 21/01/2008 03:23:54
honestly what are you all afraid of we have a great story ......it inspired me greatly but only after i left my 60s britstate dullfactory of a school and taught it to myself...the bairns need better now ...ITS TIME
25

roboypg4,

vancouver 21/01/2008 03:52:02
I am not a unionsit... I am for a Free and Independent Scotland...We need to know about our Nations History.
26

Graeme,

Guangzhou 21/01/2008 03:56:37
I’m all for this and goodness knows why this was ever dropped from the curriculum. I loved the Scottish history I was taught at school. One thing though that did strike me (as a Scot) and certainly made me sit up was that my primary six teacher, probably long dead now, was so incredibly anti English. That year I worked out many things. One was to start reading on my own!

When we teach history we must make sure it is balanced. Lets say without the Gaga tilt!


27

Aoda,

Pennslvania 21/01/2008 04:01:25
I was surprised when I first found out that Scottish history wasn't taught in Scotland. When I studied American history, we were taught the important role that Scottish ideas of democracy and of the many Scottish immigrants played an important role in framing our country.

Scotland has a proud history and should be taught.
28

viking nz,

new zealand 21/01/2008 04:05:39
40 YEARS TOO LATE .
29

Alex,

Ayr 21/01/2008 04:33:23
Another great wrong being put to right..well done Salmond,Hyslop and Co .
30

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 05:12:43
19Willie Macleod, Wick 21/01/2008 02:58:37
Sorry that should have been!15My apologies #16;

Stirring things up? I was in the Holyroodhouse book shop some years ago and they had a book about the Royal Families of Europe. The only one not mentioned was Scotland's. Didn't Lizzie the Twa show up for her Scottish Corination in her street clothes with a handbag draped over her arm? Stirring it up? You have no idea!

BTW (for everyone but this chiel) "The Rising Sun" by Douglas Galbraith - great book about the Darien Expedition and it's consequences re: union.
31

David MacVicar,

web 21/01/2008 05:28:36
Long overdue though I am wondering how many of the history teachers know the subject in detail already?

I would guess that a large minority do not currently have enough knowledge of Scottish history to teach this well.
32

LV Scot,

North Las Vegas 21/01/2008 05:30:45
I'm amazed that the teaching of Scotland's history would be allowed to lapse in Scotland.

I was raised and semi-educated in California. When I started school, Harry Truman was president of the US,
Joe Stalin was in charge in the USSR. Ancient history!

The state of California mandated that in grade 4 the history of California must be taught to all children.

As it was then taught California's history started in the 1760s when the Spanish moved in (very few of them),
annexed the land and began building the California missions. We were taught about the causes of Mexican independence from Spain, Mexican government of California, the Russian colonies in California, the Bear Flag revolt culminating in the California Republic and its eventual annexation by the United States.

Even in the brevity of the history given to us, the native people being pre-literate, we still saw the currents which had shaped our state first as Spanish conquest, then as a province of Mexico, then an independent republic (flush with gold) and finally as a component of the United States.

With its long and colorful history, I find it hard to believe that Scottish school-teachers will not be able to instill into most pupils an appreciation for the Scottish nation.

My grandfather who was 4 generations removed from Scotland still was proud to the end of his life of his connection to Scotland. And my children who are 7th generation Americans are still quite ready to let you know of their connection to Scotland.

I'm not anti-England, nor am I particularly knowledgeable of separation issues. I do believe that Scotland should preserve her heritage, whether as a part of the UK or as a separate nation is up to you Scots to determine.

Although I no longer live in California I'm only 45 miles away and, as a native, I can only grieve for what we now call "the people's republic of California".

Protect Scotland and your heritage by teaching your children who they are and why th
33

Hamish MacBeth,

Skye 21/01/2008 05:53:29
# 1 and 4: As a nationalist I don't gave a t@ss what you think.
34

Pete40,

Tassy 21/01/2008 05:57:18
Well it will certainly be an eye opener. Vikings, Irish, French, some Portugese, not a lot of English. Not forgetting the Scottish Aristocracy, now that is a can of worms. Are you sure you want to do this? How about Irish history, it is very interesting.
35

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/01/2008 06:16:38
1 & 4 - well your fellow unionists did have a problem with Scottish history being taught at school, in particular Peter "Henry Ford" Peacock who tried to downgrade the subject in the previous administration.
36

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/01/2008 06:17:33
5 - another Henry Ford
37

master mariner,

at sea 21/01/2008 06:19:10
34 love your comment shows the level of the average Nat from the western isles. I am pretty sure you enjoy living on the subsidies that 1 & 4 pay for in your Island idly

As for History, it will be good, I suspect I will be able to stop explaining that no when I say Floden I mean Floden, not Culloden.

And for the Anti English folk out their, yes we attempted to invade them and got the boot applied to our rump by a much smaller and less well equipped English army.
38

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/01/2008 06:23:27
23 - The culprits were to be found at Keir Hardie House
39

Pilrig.,

Livingston 21/01/2008 06:24:47
38 - you mean FloDDen ?
40

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 21/01/2008 06:25:29
Pledge to reclaim Scottish history for our children
------------------------------------------
Is this blatant hypocrisy or what.

Priority No 1 for the Scots should be to stop beating and killing their women.
"Scotland's top policeman demands special courts for domestic violence"

I see no point in conditioning Scots children about history, when their mothers are murdered and beaten(48,000 in 2006).

Why are U posters not fired up about the continuing cruelty perpetrated on your women .

But get get fired up about dead and gone history, and want the beaten women's children, to know that history.

That blows my mind dudes.

GC
41

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 06:36:16
A great place to start reading about Scottish history and to get a feel for the culture would be -

By Arthur Herman

How the Scots Invented the Modern World: The True Story of How Western Europe's Poorest Nation Created Our World and Everything in It

By Inving Welsh

Trainspotting
publisher: Vintage, released: 11 July, 1994

Porno
publisher: Vintage, released: 03 July, 2003

If You Liked School, You'll Love Work
publisher: Jonathan Cape, released: 05 July, 2007

Filth
publisher: Vintage, released: 05 August, 1999

Marabou Stork Nightmares
publisher: Vintage, released: 29 February, 1996

The Bedroom Secrets of the Master Chefs
publisher: Jonathan Cape, released: 03 August, 2006

Ecstasy: Three Tales of Chemical Romance
publisher: Vintage, released: 04 September, 1997

Babylon Heights
by: Irvine Welsh, Dean Cavanagh
publisher: Vintage, released: 01 June, 2006

Glue
publisher: Vintage, released: 04 April, 2002

By Alisdair Gray

Lanark: A Life in Four Books

By Ian Rankin

http://www.ianrankin.net/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=63

By Louis Grasick Gibbon

Sunset Song

By John Prebble:

Disaster at Dundee, Harcourt, Brace & Co., 1956 (also published as High Girders: The Tay Bridge Disaster, 1879, Secker and Warburg, 1975)
Culloden, Atheneum, 1962
The Highland Clearances, Secker & Warburg, 1963
Glencoe: The Story of the Massacre, Secker & Warburg, 1966
The Lion in the North: A Personal View of Scotland's History, Penguin
Darien: The Scottish Dream of Empire (also published as Darien: A Scots Colony in the New World, 1698-1700), 1968
Mutiny: Highland Regiments in Revolt, 1743-1804, 1975, ISBN 0-14-004328-4
The King's Jaunt: George IV in Scotland, August, 1822,, Birlinn Limited, Edinburgh, 2000, ISBN 1-84158-068-6 (originally published in 1988)

By Nigel Tranter:

The Fortalices.
Tresspass
Mammon's Daughter
Harsh Heritage
Eagle's Feathers
Watershed
The Gilded Fleece
Delayed Action
Tinker's Pride
Fli
42

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 06:39:53
By Nigel Tranter:cont:

The Fortalices.
Tresspass
Mammon's Daughter
Harsh Heritage
Eagle's Feathers
Watershed
The Gilded Fleece
Delayed Action
Tinker's Pride
Flight of Dutchmen
Man's Estate
Island Twilight
Root and Branch
Colours Flying
The Chosen Course
Fair Game
High Spirits
Thirsty Range
The Freebooters

Tidewrack
Fast and Loose
Heartbreak Valley
Big Corral
Bridal Path
Cheviot Chase
Trail Herd
Ducks and Drakes
Desert Doublecross
The Queen's Grace
Rum Week
The Night Riders
Cloven Hooves
There are Worse Jungles
Rio D'Oro
Dynamite Trail
The Long Coffin
Rancher Renegade
Trailing Trouble
MacGregor's Gathering
The Enduring Flame
Balefire
The Stone
Bloodstone Trail
Spaniard's Isle
Border Riding
The Man Behind the Curtain
The Clansman
Nestor the Monster
Spanish Galleon
The Flockmasters

43

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 06:41:09
Nigel Tranter cont:

Kettle of Fish
Lord and Master
Birds of a Feather
The Deer Poachers
Gold for Prince Charlie
Drug on the Market
The Fortified House Vol I
Something Very Fishy
The Courtesan
The Fortified House Vol 2
Give a Dog a Bad Name
Silver Island
Pegasus Book of Scotland
Chain of Destiny
Pursuit
The Fortified House Vol 3
Outlaw of the Highlands
Past Master
The Fortified House Vol 4
A Stake in the Kingdom
Lion Let Loose
Tinker Tess
Fire and High Water
Cable From Kabul
Land of the Scots
To the Rescue
Black Douglas
Robert The Bruce Vol 1
The Fortified House Vol 5
Robert the Bruce Vol II

The Heartland
Robert The Bruce Vol III
Portrait of the Border Country
The Eastern Counties
The Young Montrose Montrose
The North East
The Wisest Fool
The Wallace
Lords of Misrule
A Folly of Princes
The Captive Crown
Argyll and Bute
MacBeth the King
Portrait of the Lothians
Margaret the Queen
David the Prince
True Thomas
Nigel Tranter's Scotland
The Patriot
Scottish Castles
Lord of the Isles
Unicorn Rampant
The Riven Realm
James by the Grace of God
Scotland of Robert the Bruce
Rough Wooing
The Story of Scotland
Cache Down
Columba
Flowers of Chivalry
Mail Royal
Warden of the Queen's March
Kenneth

44

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 06:42:08
Nigel Tranter cont:

Crusader
Footbridge to Enchantment
Children of the Mist
Druid Sacrifice
Tapestry of the Boar
Price of a Princess
Lord in Waiting
Highness in Hiding
Honours Even
A Rage of Regents
Poetic Justice
The Marchman
The Lion's Whelp
High Kings and Vikings
A Flame for the Fire
Sword of State
Envoy Extraordinary
Courting Favour
The End of the Line
The Admiral
Triple Alliance
The Islesman
Right Royal Friend
Marie and Mary
Hope Endures


Just suggestions - you may have some too?
45

John S,

21/01/2008 06:42:38
#34 - Hamish MacBeth, I agree.
# 1 and 4: As a nationalist I also don't gave a t@ss what you think.
46

An Beal Bacht,

21/01/2008 06:53:10
41 - GC - Ah'm scared ae mah wife. She's goat such a temper ken. Ah'v tried tae talk tae her aboot it bu she wullnae listen an Ah end up gettin a leatherin. Any suggestions? Mind Ahm a Californian kind ae metro-sexual guy mahself!
47

MR.CYNICAL,

a happy place 21/01/2008 07:21:28
history people appear to be worried that modern studies is much more popular at secondary schools than history--boring people about bannockburn etc will not help.
48

Iain fae Elgin,

London 21/01/2008 07:28:57
"....led to conflict with Peter Peacock, a former Labour education minister in the previous Scottish Executive, who said history did not have to be a "stand-alone" subject..."

One of many reasons why these numpties are in opposition.
49

Grahamski,

Falkirk 21/01/2008 07:38:37
The problem in schools isn't specifically just Scottish history not being taught - it's history as a subject not being taught. There are secondary schools in this country without history departments. That should be a concern for us all.
If we have generations of kids leaving school without any kind of grasp of history be it world, British or Scottish then as a country we'll have a problem.
50

DonaldK,

Brussels 21/01/2008 07:55:17
Forcing secondary pupils to listen to dry as ditchwater history about ancient Scotland will simply turn them away from the subject in droves - all that kings/ queens/ battles/ dates rubbish...zzzzzzzzzzzz.

By all means focus on Scottish history - but don't go any further back than the industrial revolution if you want at least some of them to find an interest in the subject.
51

Erse,

Middle East 21/01/2008 08:31:25
#35, Irish history? Like Robert Bruce's wife Elizabeth DeBurgh (Irish-Norman Nobility) is a direct ancestor of Chris DeBurgh or that Robert Bruce's brother Edward was once High King of All Ireland?
52

Gone Native,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 08:43:11
Let's hope this new curriculum ends up more like "The Peoples' History of the United States" by Howard Zinn and less like "Why the world needs a British Empire" by John Bull
53

BIG EYE,

Paisley 21/01/2008 09:00:21
It was a disgrace that Scots kids could go through school and leave without being taught very much of their own country's history.

It would not happen in any other "free" country and it should never have been allowed to happen here. Given the Scottish enlightenment, the Scots role in the Industrial Revolution and in terms of invention there is plenty of great material.

Well done Fiona Hyslop and the SNP!
54

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 09:05:34
I think the Nats might be disappointed, if Scottish history is taught warts and all. Culloden wasn't a glorious last stand against the foreign oppressor - it was a miserable massacre of half-starved serfs of an obsolete feudal society, and many of the 'English' army were Lowlanders and Campbells. How many modern Scots understand the pivotal role of the Covenanters in modern British society? Was Philiphaugh an act of a noble and dignified society? Did Robert the Bruce really watch the spider (no)? The Act of Union was seen as a way of improving the Scots economy, especially after the Darien disaster. Sure, there is much to be proud of, like the shipbuilders of the Clyde and the (red-coated) regiments of Empire, Adam Smith and James Watt, but we should be open and honest with ourselves.
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iang,

21/01/2008 09:18:00
They should have asked them what the "Saltire" is...I am guessing they would not be surprised to hear that the number of school leavers who know that is unfogivably low as well
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Mikey,

21/01/2008 09:36:12
#10, it's not just the half wit screen writers that came up with that one! The supposedly educated Simon Schama, in his 'History of Britain,' regerred QE1 as the queen of 'This island nation!'

And as for the unionistas, will they be so positive when the kids are taught about Daniel Defoe buying off the votes of the precursors to the Unionist parties in Scotland? Will they be happy about the kids learning about how the general population reacted to the union? Will they be happy when they learn of the Wolfe letter? Will they be happy to learn of how the oil was stolen by London politicians?
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easyoasy,

21/01/2008 09:41:32
Ms Hyslop claims the new approach will ensure future generations of children do not miss out on discovering the nation's "proud" history.
Why the inverted commas? Is this part of The "Scotsman's" new editorial policy?
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Geoff,

SA 21/01/2008 09:41:36
Scotland has a proud History worthy of passing on to the following generations. At the same time it would be nice if children throughout the United Kingdom could learn an objective history of the peoples of the British Isles. Much of our past history was romanticised glorification of the "converting the noble savage" variety, but the pendulum of political correctness has gone too far.Regardless of whether one is a Unionist or Nationalist, we have much to be proud of and need to remember that. Also, the influence of Robert the Bruce and William the (Norman) conquerer pervaded the whole island of Britain-artificial boundaries notwithstanding.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 21/01/2008 09:46:51
Teaching the history of Scotland will do more to combat sectarianism than all the initiatives so far.
Children will have a better insight to how our Country came to be in a union with England.
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Lesley,

EDINBURGH 21/01/2008 09:47:38
What an informatative article - Really, Ramsay McDonald DIDN'T invent the hamburger??? Well, well, you live and learn :)
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Islay Herald,

Hebrides 21/01/2008 09:49:50
56 – You’re right. We should be open and honest with ourselves. Judging from your comments, (everything Scottish = bad, everything British = good), you do not think very highly of my country and believe the best thing that ever happened to us was the Union. So maybe you are the one who should be asking yourself questions.

BTW - Is the Iraq War the act of a noble and dignified society?
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malkster,

Scotland 21/01/2008 09:55:29
Surely it is a good thing to teach Scottish history as well as British European and world history. One of the most fascinating things about history is what was going on in different parts of the world at the same time.
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 21/01/2008 10:09:25
When politicians of ANY party start to meddle with the history curriculum you should be afraid, very afraid.
The ruling class in Scotland (and in England) has always pursued a policy of 'Divide and Rule' - and since they have controlled the Press and media for most of the last 200 years, the mythology of Scots against English has been planted very deep. It serves the interests of those who 'rule' Scotland to project all their failings onto their southern neighbours. The reality of the Wars of Independence are that there was no state called Scotland or state called England in the sense there is today. What did exist was a Norman aristocracy whose language was French. Edward Planta-Genet was as Frenchy as they come. Robert de Bruis was Norman. Willam Le Waleis was 'Welsh' (the name means Welsh). What we had was a hierarchy of Norman warlords - of whom the top dog was King. They fought, poisoned, murdered and assassinated each as a matter of course. Their motives were purely selfish power and greed. Wallace was little different; he and his men murdered, raped and pillaged Newcastle, York, Carlisle and a hundred other towns for over a decade. Gangsters and murderers all. The ordinary people were cannon fodder with no choice at all. They fought for their Norman lord or they were hanged, butchered, raped etc. The politicians 'interest' in history will not extend to telling the truth, but don't they just love the myths?
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Alex, Young Laird d' Drumchapel,

Madrid 21/01/2008 10:17:06
Imagine trying to understand yourself without having access to any information about your childhood. History is the most important subject in a school curriculum.
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Conan the Librarian™,

21/01/2008 10:23:11
66
Most children's history books tend to concentrate on the interaction of Scotland with England,i.e. The Wars of Independence,Mary Queen of Scots etc.
Note not "Queen Mary" but as how the English seen her.
There are whole reams of Scots history ignored, simply because it did not affect England.
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Ian Campbell,

W Horsley & Tiree 21/01/2008 10:23:33
When I was at school - a few centuries ago - history was taught in schools. It was world history starting with the Babylonians and then later homed in on British history. Although I was born and brought up in England we knew quite a bit about Scottish history as we happened to have a charismatic Scots history teacher who made sure that we did. I knew that standards had slipped somewhat in Scotland in more recent years when at a St George's Day celebration in London a laughing Scots lad said to me, "Remember Bannockburn, 1344!" and I was able to correct him,"It was 1314, mate". Of course history should be taught in school and every child should grow up familiar at least in outline with the events that shaped his or her country. This must include events that go quite a long way back that shaped our liberties, and that should include the Declaration of Arbroath as well as the Acts of Union. The SNP deserves congratulation on this intiative. I wish it was going to happen in England too but we have fallen even further behind and now our Unionist Scots Prime Minister insists that Britishness (whatever that is) must be taught in English schools. There is no guarantee that children who leave school in England will know any English, Scottish or British history, either in outline or in depth. I have had to explain to young people that the whole of Britain was once Roman Catholic, that what is now the USA was once a British colony, who the Duke of Marlborough was, when the battle of Waterloo took place (and no, we were not fighting the Germans) and much more of the same - and this was to children who had emerged from what passes for education with decent AL grades. If we don't know how our ancestors fought for and established our liberties, social and political, we leave ourselves at the mercy of politicians like Tony Blair who think that 1997 was year zero and that they can ignore everything that happened before preceding the 18 years of Tory misrule.
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Aesop,

TheScottishPatient .com 21/01/2008 10:27:46
At last!

As someone who managed the dubious distinction of being educated in Thurso High School (during the 1970s) located just ten miles from where some of the worst aspects of the Highland Clearances took place - but without ever hearing about them mentioned at school - this announcement is long overdue.

Scottish school children need to know where they've come from in order to help understand who they are. The colonisation of our education system has gone on for too long. Well done to Fiona Hyslop and the Scottish government.
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andy sinclair,

forres 21/01/2008 10:34:09
my son and i do history reenactment on the times of sir william wallace and king robert bruce and with regard to some of the comments about kids not being interested , in my view and experience this is rubbish , every school that we have been to have enjoyed seeing and touching items from wallace's times , hearing the stories and learning skills that were commonplace in those times , they also enjoy the fighting side which my son and i do , and have often been asked by kids in the street who do do scottish history homework for help with it , bring back scottish history , so that foreign nationals dont think that england ends at thurso
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Highland Mighty,

21/01/2008 10:35:19
Finally, school children will hear the TRUTH about Scotland and England and will no longer need to base their beliefs on the more excitable nationalists and their versions of history.

And I wonder what % of children are aware of the Darien Scheme and its connection to the Act of Union?

(To the author of 26, 27, 28, 29 and 30 - Get a life and stop posting under multiple usernames. People like you wreck these boards.)
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danielrober,

21/01/2008 10:35:31
This is generally a good idea. I spend a huge amunt of time as an engineer, with other engineeings explaining Scottish/UK engineering history.

The biggest misleading factor is when the industrial revolution started. It was in the iron, tin and coal fields of Britian in the 1670's. Not the 1830's.

That 160 years of successful and proud hard work just ignored.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 21/01/2008 10:43:01
Not before time, as the English have always viewed British History from a different perspective?

During his time as Secretary of State for Scotland, Willie Ross, a committed Unionist, and ex-Head Teacher,
instigated educational visits to see what could be learned from secondary moderns Down South to assist in the introduction of the new comprehensive system in Scotland.

A party of Scottish Head Teachers were shown around several East Midlands Secondary Moderns when their attention was immediately drawn to the maps of Great Britain on display in the classrooms?

Each detailed map only showed England and Wales,
ending at the Border? North of the Border only showed a white, blank, outline shape of Scotland?
Of course, the Scots teachers were too polite to
ask why these maps did not include Scotland?
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An English Voice™,

21/01/2008 10:52:25
75. Maps in English schools don't include Scotland? So English schools are using 300+ year old maps, are they?

What a load of nationalist rubbish.
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Steve Evans,

Malta 21/01/2008 11:05:48
Given the large array of great books on Scottish History it seems amazing that most books seen to be read by visitors to a wonderful rich, colourful and at many times bloody past.Magnu Magnassons, Story of a Nation is a great introduction for anyone.
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21/01/2008 11:11:35
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Yr Awel,

HTE 21/01/2008 11:16:56
Two things in passing :

History is not the past, it is a discourse upon the past.

More crucially, how about some European history ... for the future?
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An English Voice™,

UK 21/01/2008 11:19:41
75 annoyed me so a quick reminder to the nationalists of 'reality':

YouGov poll 8 Jan 08:

Headline Voting Intention
Labour 36% (+4%)
SNP 30% (-2%)
Con 18% (-1%)
Lib Dem 12% (n/c)
Other 5% (+1%)

Constituency vote
CON 14% (+2%)
LAB 29% (n/c)
LDEM 14% (+1&)
SNP 38% (-2%)

Regional vote
CON 13% (n/c)
LAB 27% (+1%)
LDEM 12% (-1%)
SNP 30% (-4%)

In favour of Scottish independence - 27% (UNCHANGED ON MAR 07)
In favour of retaining the present Parliament - 57%
(Note just the two options)

The SNP’s success in last year’s election was mainly due to the unpopularity of the Labour Party in Scotland - 70% (58% among SNP voters only)
The SNP’s success in last year’s election was mainly due to the SNP’s popularity - 16% (36% among SNP voters only)

"Britain should continue to have its own nuclear weapons."
Agree 44%
Disagree 40%

"It is right that Scotland pays its fair share towards Britain’s nuclear weapons."
Agree 55%
Disagree 31%
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

21/01/2008 11:21:32
Not only is it a disgrace Scottish children growing up with no knowledge of history, it is also a disgrace that Scottish historians stand back while English and Irish historians write the nation out of history altogether.
How many Scottish children know that the "Celtic" early Christians, now referred to as Irish, are in all primary sources called Scottish?
How many Scottish children, aware of the Armada, are unaware of the Battle of Largs where the largest fleet ever to sail out of Scandinavia was defeated by the Scots thus ending the Viking threat to Europe?
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ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 21/01/2008 11:22:41
Highland Mighty, there is nothing in Scotland’s history that any Nat need be frightened about.

It was when Scottish education was under unionist control that Scottish history was down played almost to the point of extinction.

It should surely be possible in this day and age to make history something, which comes alive.

I do hope though that when it is now taught, that they will not leave out the entire 19th century as they did when I was at school.
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kimba,

21/01/2008 11:24:25
80. Well put,but wait for the "AH BUT" THEY ALWAYS HAVE A ANGLE ON IT.
80

Lock,

21/01/2008 11:24:54
How many 11-14 year olds do you think could care less? I was taught Scottish history at that age and to be honest I couldn't have given two hoots. At that age the subject matter is not as important as introducing independent thinking and research. Unfortunately this may involve teaching both sides of the story (and in history there is almost ALWAYS two sides) which going by some of the comments I have seen on this website over the years would not suit many.
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buidhe,

21/01/2008 11:26:30
Good to see the SNP doing its bit for Scottish history and Gaelic.
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An English Voice™,

21/01/2008 11:27:09
80. I have to correct one of the stats in this post...my apologies.

In favour of Scottish independence - 27% (-1% on Mar 07)
In favour of retaining the present Parliament - 57% (+6% on Mar 07)
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Em,

21/01/2008 11:31:01
#72 Andy

I am currently reading a book which may interest you as you said you do reenactments of the times of Wallace and Bruce. The book is called "William Wallace - Robin Hood Revealed" the book covers two key areas, firstly a translation of Henry the Minstrel's epic poem on the life of Wallace giving details of events that happened throughout Wallace's life, and secondly an investigation into the claim that Wallace was the original Robin Hood explaining why the true identity of Robin Hood has remained so elusive.

Just thought you might find it handy
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Rob7,

England 21/01/2008 11:34:20
What about teaching about the Slave trade and the fact that Scots made more money out of it then both England and Wales combined
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Prof,

21/01/2008 11:34:23
I wonder if the history curriculm will include the election of the fisrt nationalist government after 300 years of unionist rule and its subsequent betrayal of the nationalist cause. Where are the great new stategies aimed at developing Scottish indusrty, culture and social infrastructure? Instead we have had a succesion of politically correct nonsense.
Salmond's SNP has done more harm to the nationalist cause than 300 years of unionist misrule.
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AJ Fife,

21/01/2008 11:35:15
Fantastic news! In the next 10 years we could have thousands of wee aspiring William Wallaces and Winnie Ewings, and our independence from the evil English imperialists will be assured!!

Perhaps archery and sword fencing could be included in PE too!
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bumpkin,

outer space 21/01/2008 11:35:27
the disgraceful conduct of scottish lairds is not well known.their short term leases to the cottars pre 17