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Police stop and search 14,000 since terror attack on airport



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Published Date:
15 December 2007
ANTI-TERROR police have carried out more than 14,000 random stop and searches in Scotland in the wake of the Glasgow Airport attack, triggering an unprecedented warning from a government minister of a serious threat to civil liberties.
British Transport Police in Scotland are stopping and searching up to 100 people a day in stations like Edinburgh's Waverley Picture: Bill Henry
British Transport Police in Scotland are stopping and searching up to 100 people a day in stations like Edinburgh's Waverley Picture: Bill Henry
Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, last night described the volume of searches carried out under anti-terror legislation as "extraordinary".

The powers have never before been routinely used in Scotland, but The Scotsman has learned the number of searches has frequently exceeded 100 a day since the terror attack on 30 June.

It has also emerged that non-white people are six times more likely to be targeted – a statistic that has plunged police, who insist the measures are being used indiscriminately, into a race row.

The vast majority of searches have been carried out by British Transport Police (BTP) at the country's main railway stations, including Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central.

Controversy over the use of random stop and search, granted by the UK parliament seven years ago, has been further inflamed by the fact that Scotland's chief constables ceased using the power more than four months ago, deciding they were "no longer proportionate".

Mr MacAskill said: "These figures appear extraordinary. I think the public would be right to look for a clear explanation on why the British Transport Police in Scotland believe they need to use these powers with such regularity. It's a genuine cause for concern.

"Scotland is well served by our police who work for, and with, our communities to protect them. Whilst we are in difficult times and it is absolutely vital that we protect our communities, we also have to protect civil liberties too.

"I think we need answers from British Transport Police on why these figures are so high – particularly when our eight local constabularies have always been able to react to similar threats and challenges, yet only used these special powers on a much smaller scale."

Mr MacAskill's comments will infuriate senior figures within the BTP, which is responsible for policing the UK's rail network, and further strain relations between the Scottish Government and Westminster. Only two days ago, Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, gave permission for the BTP to continue using random stop and search, ensuring further disruption for travellers at Scotland's main train stations over Christmas and New Year.

Under section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000, chief constables can apply to the Home Secretary for permission to stop and search pedestrians, vehicles and drivers. Officers are not required to have any grounds to suspect that the person searched is involved in a terrorist act, or any crime.

The process typically takes between five and ten minutes and involves taking detailed notes, including a person's address, hair colour, build and shoe colour, as well searches of their possessions and/or car.

The powers were granted to chief constables on 1 July, the day after a vehicle was driven into Glasgow Airport's main terminal building and set on fire. Each police force is required to reapply to the Home Secretary every 28 days if they wish to continue using the powers.

Scotland's eight forces used the powers only in July, carrying out more than 130 searches on people and vehicles. Police initially feared other attacks were imminent following the airport bombing, but after that was discounted, the eight forces decided random stop and search would no longer be a "proportionate" measure.

However, there has been widespread use of stop and search at Scottish train stations, following repeated applications to the Home Secretary from the BTP's London-based chief constable, Ian Johnston.

Between 1 July and 11 December, 9,563 people, and 4,371 vehicles, were searched – an average of nearly 90 a day. In the past few days, The Scotsman has learned the average has exceeded 100, although police stress there is no specific terrorist threat.

After the airport bombing attempt, the terror threat to the UK was classed as "critical" – the highest level, meaning a further attack was thought to be "imminent". On 14 August, John Reid, the then home secretary, downgraded the threat to "severe".

Last night, Superintendent Ronnie Mellis, area commander of the BTP in Scotland, defended the use of the stop and search, and said: "This approach is used as part of an overall strategy to protect everyone using the rail system from terrorist attack.

"These searches are not intelligence-led and there is no reason to believe that Scotland is any more at risk from terrorism than anywhere else. They are routine operations, the like of which BTP carries out at various locations around Britain's rail system on a regular basis. It aims to disrupt and deter any potential terrorist activity and reassure the public."

He went on: "We hope that, as well as disrupting and deterring possible terrorist activity, it will also provide visible reassurance to the travelling public that police are being vigilant for their safety. We aim to carry out the operation with minimum disruption and would like to thank the public for their co-operation and understanding."

Armed police have become a common sight at transport hubs since the 30 June attack
Armed police have become a common sight at transport hubs since the 30 June attack
Assistant Chief Constable John Corrigan, the counter-terrorism co-ordinator for the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, said the stop and search powers were sought only "in the most extreme circumstances when there is a specific operational need".

He said: "The balance between the rights of the public to go about their lawful business and the need to protect society from terrorists is taken into account when such powers are sought by the police."

However, another senior officer, warned the public would face continuing intrusion from police. David Strang, the chief constable of Lothian and Borders Police, said: "I think inevitably part of the new world we live in means that the police have to be more intrusive than they have been in the past.

"All our officers are briefed regarding the terrorist threat and if we have major events where we're told there might be some intelligence or the potential of attack, I think the public would expect the police to be on top of that. If they saw someone acting suspiciously or wanted to check out what was in their bag or pockets, I think the public would accept that."

Professor Paul Wilkinson, from the centre for the study of terrorism and political violence at St Andrews University, said:

"There is still a severe threat to the UK, and Scotland is not immune to that. These police measures will be employed while the threat is there. The idea that al-Qaeda will suddenly abandon attempts to attack Europe and the UK is, unfortunately, rather optimistic.

"I think the public are willing to accept certain inconveniences for the sake of keeping the public safe, but they don't want to see basic civil liberties eroded."

'APPARENTLY INDISCRIMINATE POWERS ARE ACTUALLY USED VERY DISCRIMINATELY'

MUSLIM community leaders last night accused police of alienating ethnic minority groups as it emerged that non-white people in Scotland are six times more likely to be stopped and searched under new anti-terrorism powers.

Figures obtained by The Scotsman show that 778 (12 per cent) of the 6,915 people stopped and searched under section 44 of the Terrorism Act between 1 July and 8 November were non-white. In Scotland, 2 per cent of the population is from non-white ethnic minority groups.

Osama Saeed, from the Muslim Council of Scotland, said: "Stop and search is humiliating the disproportionate number of Asian-looking people that are stopped under it, undermining good relations between police and communities, which are essential at this moment.

"As well as being counterproductive, there must be much better uses of valuable police time.

"With there being no good reason to search someone, searches in London instead appear to be carried out on the basis of colour of skin. Figures from there show a hugely disproportionate level of searches on Asians and blacks. We can see the same thing happening in Scotland. Apparently indiscriminate powers are actually used very discriminately."

He said only one in 400 searches had led to an arrest, and only ever for non-terror-related crimes.

Mr Saeed claimed they could not even stop someone carrying out a suicide attack. "In London, Section 44 powers have been in perpetual use for years now. It's led to a great deal of resentment, and the British Transport Police similarly risk jeopardising good relations between Muslims and the police in Scotland. Stop and search should be strongly opposed here before it becomes part of the culture."

Superintendent Ronnie Mellis, area commander for the BTP in Scotland, said: "These powers are used completely randomly and British Transport Police does not profile those we search or target any one ethnic group."

STOPPED ON WAY TO CATCH TRAIN

CHRIS Drew had his bag searched by British Transport Police at Edinburgh's Waverley station earlier this year.

The apprentice quantity surveyor, 23, was approached by an officer as he entered the train station in July.

He said: "The only reason they gave for stopping me was that I was being stopped under Section 22 of the Terrorism Act."

He recalled four or five policemen were stopping commuters at random.

Mr Drew, from the capital, who is white and wears a long beard, said: "I know I don't look 'normal' as such, but they were stopping other people around me."

The officer asked a number of questions concerning his name, address and date of place of birth, and recorded the answers on a form.

A physical description of Mr Drew, including what he was wearing, was noted. He said: "The policeman was very polite and didn't offend me in any way. They didn't ask for my ethnicity."

The search lasted only a few minutes and Mr Drew was able to catch his train.

The policeman handed him a pink copy of the form as a record of the search.

Officers given wide array of new powers

STOP and search is among an array of powers given to police under recent anti-terror laws.

The most controversial is the power to detain a suspect without charge for up to 28 days.

Anti-terror detention powers were used against Mohammed Atif Siddique, the student convicted of using the internet to encourage an act of terrorism. He was detained 14 days before he was charged.

The government wants to extend the limit to 42 days, but faces a battle to get the legislation through parliament. Under various anti-terror laws passed since 2000, police have the power to designate "cordoned" areas for terrorist investigations, for up to 28 days.

It is also now an offence to organise, take part in or carry on with a demonstration in a "public place" in a "designated area" unless, when that demonstration starts, authorisation has been given.

A police officer is free to arrest – without a warrant – any person he or she suspects of being a terrorist.

Police may also be able to seize money if there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that it is "terrorist cash".



The full article contains 1851 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Lord Darnley,

15/12/2007 00:24:35
"It has also emerged that non-white people are six times more likely to be targeted!

If I reported to the police that it was a white youth in jeans and a hoodie who broke into my house/mugged me/raped my mother.
Would I expect them to stop and question a black man wearing a suit?

2

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 15/12/2007 00:38:00
Notice the police haven;t stopped by and searched the offices on Wendy and her gang yet.

We wait for our finest to do the right thing by the self confessed.
3

Lord Darnley,

15/12/2007 00:54:37
#2 Dragonhead my question was hypothetical,thanks for your concern anyway.
4

happy english,

London 15/12/2007 00:54:46
Sod civil liberties they can stop and search as many Muslims as they like, after all where do you see the white British people blowing people up. Tough if they do not like it.
5

The Isaac Newton Appreciation Society,

15/12/2007 00:57:42
Yet another assault on freedom by the SNP.
6

Eugene john,

Inverness 15/12/2007 00:58:33
Well done Jock Tamson, totally off topic as per usual Well done the police and security services for their excellent work in protecting the people of and visitors to Scotland. Agree entirely with the comments made by Lord Darnley and Dragonhead' this is a commonsense policy and not a racist policy that the police have adopted.
7

Spotter,

15/12/2007 01:03:05
SCOTSMAN ONLINE HAS BECOME UTTERLY HOPELESS

WHICH EEEJIT GOT RID A OF A GOOD DESIGN TO THIS!!!
8

Lynne,

USA 15/12/2007 01:11:47
Dragonhead nailed it.. the terrorists have been Muslims..therefore they are the ones being profiled.
9

Sarcasm,

15/12/2007 01:32:56
2,8
thankfully the terrorists haven't shown an ability to get people into positions of respectability beyond the stereotype checks.

Next you will be saying all Muslims are non-white and easily profiled.
10

SNPtacticalvoting.blogspot.com,

Edinburgh 15/12/2007 01:41:12
Having one's bag or body searched takes a mere few minutes and as long as the police are polite and respectful then I don't see what the problem is.

Non-white people are targetted for stop and search six times more often than white people? This may seem like thinly-veiled racism but the fact surely remains that any future attempted terrorist attack is at least six times more likely to be comitted by a non-white person.

Of course, whether stop-and-search is value for money given how rare an attack is is another question... But it's our only defence if lamentable events like the tube bombings and the Glasgow Airport attacks are to contiunue.

And we could have our 'bobbies on the beat' just wandering around or we could have them searching bags during quieter periods.

There may be a v low chance of finding something, but I know what I would prefer....
11

Evolution in action,

Florida 15/12/2007 01:43:01
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing!
12

SNPtacticalvoting.blogspot.com,

Edinburgh 15/12/2007 01:43:01
Having one's bag or body searched takes a mere few minutes and as long as the police are polite and respectful then I don't see what the problem is.

Non-white people are targetted for stop and search six times more often than white people? This may seem like thinly-veiled racism but the fact surely remains that any future attempted terrorist attack is at least six times more likely to be comitted by a non-white person.

Of course, whether stop-and-search is value for money given how rare an attack is is another question... But it's our only defence if lamentable events like the tube bombings and the Glasgow Airport attacks are to contiunue.

And we could have our 'bobbies on the beat' just wandering around or we could have them searching bags during quieter periods.

There may be a v low chance of finding something, but I know what I would prefer....
13

Guga II,

Rockall 15/12/2007 02:48:28
I notice it is the London controlled BTP that are doing all the random searches. However, 14,000 random searches in six months is going totally over the top. This seems to be a case of give them a little power and they will abuse it to the extreme.

That's the problem with any allowable breaches of civil liberties, the police in particular, are very liable to abuse it in their attempts to aid Maggie Broon in turning the country into a police state.
14

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 15/12/2007 02:57:17
-- where do you see the white British people blowing people up?

Iraq and Afghanistan. The British have just given Saudi Arabia, the home of Islamic terrorism, a brand new fighter plane force in exchange for oil (most deals through offshore bank accounts). Meanwhile our own RAF are flying dangerous equipment that would ground any commercial airline.
15

Murdo Fraser,

Fife 15/12/2007 02:59:29
Have you heard Amy McDonalds new single..this is the life? anyhow:-
No more subjugation towards the Scots thro' Westminster rule; Lets put an end to some factions of the british (no capital 'B' obviously)state that think Scotland is some sort of conquered and slavish nation; the only thing that the british nationalist's extremists forgot:is that thousands of Scots will now come back to fight, from the diaspora, for an Independent Scotland. main reason: their sick fed-up of the innate racism of the british state.

A referendum on the Scots institution, now; or riots in every Scottish town city and village.

PS not as a foot note: one of my grandfather's fought in the II world war, along with a brother, who was a paratrooper; my other grandfather fought in the first WW; before they died they said that they didn't fight a war to see Scotland oppressed like this; and so passed their utter revulsion of the british state, on to me.
16

Samoyed,

Aberdeen 15/12/2007 03:21:46
Random searches are a waste of time, they are valid only fo fulfill bureocratic quotas impossed by non-security minded bosses. Real security is to trust the hunch of a well trained and experienced professional, that feels something is not right, or search everybody, no exclusions. Anything else is an exercise in futility that serves only to annoy the public.
17

W Smith,

Middle East 15/12/2007 03:24:35
Trust MacAskill to be oh-so-concerned about this.

Its par for the course - some of us remember how he reacted after the attack on Glasgow airport.

He coudln't get down to Edinburgh Central Mosque quick enoughh to 'apologilse' for all the nasty, bigoted, Scots (unionists)who werer supposedly circling muslims like sharks ready to carry out revenge.

This eejit, with his mediocre 2:2 degree in law, has to go!
18

W Smith,

Middle East 15/12/2007 03:36:57
BTW
1) One ex-soldier in Dundee (white guy) sent an email to the Lord Provost calling him an 'embarassment'. The police arrived at his house within hours in what was referred to as a 'riot van'.

2) A Dundee taxi driver (white guy) ends up in jail thanks to Palestinian supporter Mrs Ernie Ross's compalints. As he made some negative comments about Pakistanis.

3) Ernie Ross has encouraged over the years musims fanatics to come and study, work and demonstrate in Dundee and his wife has got the cheek to complain about comments made in the relative privacy of a taxi.

4) Ernie Ross's friend and fellow Dundonian George Galloway said the Prime Minister was a "legitimate" target for assassination.

Did the police arrest Galloway and put him in the cells over night?

5) Considering Salmond has been on protests outside Faslane with left wing anarchists, including Galloway, and attended Stop The War Coalition rallies with muslim fanatics, I find MacAskill's attitude sickening.

PASS THE SICK BUCKET!
19

Lord Darnley,

15/12/2007 04:58:35
Nollaig Chridheil.
20

donald,

glasgow 15/12/2007 06:34:59
Did they find any weapons of mass destruction?
21

john z,

edinburgh 15/12/2007 07:26:47
You know it is worrying that terrorism has forced these changes upon society. It is excatly what the mad muslims who kill want to achieve.

It has been reported recently, that professional photographers are being stopped and searched in the street for 'carrying a camera', and these are people who are not for example snapping folks coming out of the US embassy, but just walking down the road with a camera on their shoulder.

As for the non-white thing. Let's get real. Most Muslims in Scotland are not white. Almost all recent terror attrocities have been carried out by Muslims. To me, targeting such people is just common sense.


Exactly the same thing happened to anybody with an Irish accent in London, when the IRA were at their peak in the 70's.
22

Nubar Gulbenkian,

15/12/2007 08:08:09
Just another example of the fascist nature of the New Labour government. Stop and search powers increased, wanting powers over the length of detention to be increased to an absolutely ridiculous 42 days.
Meanwhile ordinary everyday crime is ignored whilst people are harassed in the name of "terrorist threat".
One sure way of reducing the "ALLEGED" threat would be to pull our troops out of the illegal war in Iraq.

Maybe the police could spare a few plods to round up real criminals like Wendy Alexander & her Labour criminal fraternity.
23

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 15/12/2007 08:14:56
"Exactly the same thing happened to anybody with an Irish accent in London, when the IRA were at their peak in the 70's."
The Problem rests with the BTP they have been ordered by the usual ignorant white southern idiots to raise their profile, and be seen. So how else would you do that but implement some English Law in Scotland
24

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 15/12/2007 08:26:53
I'm one of the 14,000, stopped at Waverley when I was just using the place as a short cut. I was stopped while a perfectly polite polis had the unenviable task of raking through my sweaty gym kit and his equally polite partner filled out a form to give me. Delayed a couple of minutes. Hardly a police state but I agree with #13 Samoyed, a bit of a paper exercise. I don't think I fit the profile and I'm sure the 2 cops were just stopping me to keep their stats up and their bosses happy. Common sense suggests thay should be targeting their efforts at those who are most likely to be the perpetrators of attacks, and I'm afraid that happens to be young men of Asian or Middle Eastern extraction.
25

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 15/12/2007 08:51:56
Good news. I don't mind being stopped and questioned in such a good cause. If they pick on obvious suspects then they must balance this by picking on everyone else, too. It appears random only because there's hell to pay if only the most likely criminals are chosen. Civil Rights lawyers are oblivious to the reciprocal Civil Duties side of the equation.
26

Nikostratos,

15/12/2007 09:22:22

And if a bomb went off kenny would say....????????
27

Covert Action,

15/12/2007 09:30:36
The police should check their legal status and how much income tax they have paid/dodged as they are driving them to the airport (along with their families/cousins) for their one-way trip back to their slums in Pakistan.
28

walter,

15/12/2007 09:33:08
The biggest threat of terrorism to us at this moment is from followers of Islam, the majority of those that follow Islam are non white, the police stop more non whites than they do whites.
Macaskill is an idiot.
29

orangepeel,

15/12/2007 09:37:34
#17

Only the food on the trains...
30

sceptic,

15/12/2007 09:54:18
"Police stop and search 14,000"
Arrests? Nil.
Terrorists found? Nil.
Sounds more like harassment of the population at large!
31

rancid brown,

Fife 15/12/2007 10:05:21
The only terrorism here is government sponsored.
9/11 and 7/7 were inside jobs.

Here's the proof.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7048572757566726569
32

rancid brown,

Fife 15/12/2007 10:05:41
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7048572757566726569
33

Eric D,

Renfrewshire 15/12/2007 10:09:03
This means they searched over 2000 white people in that period. I suggest resources could be better spent, because the problem is NOT whites, Asians, Chinese. It is a cult called ISLAM- and 90% of their followers here are pakistani. No amount of PC or civil rights will change this fact.

MacAskill is a foul and embarrassment. The SNP are playing a dangerous game aligning themselves with the extremist Saeed and the MAB / Muslim Brotherhood. I never understood their brand of "civic" nationalism until june 30.
34

Dragonlord,

15/12/2007 10:09:36
7# Email the ediorial staff. I know I did
35

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 15/12/2007 10:12:30
"Dragonhead nailed it.. the terrorists have been Muslims..therefore they are the ones being profiled."

Oh, and what of the terrorists who dropped one thousand pound bombs and Cruise missiles on Iraq?

Were they Muslims or Americans?
36

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:15:36
Macaskill is only complaining because he was stopped and searched himself. And subsequently arrested for being drunk and disorderly. Yes folks thats our justice minister.
37

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:19:02
¤28 well said
38

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 15/12/2007 10:19:34
"Common sense suggests thay should be targeting their efforts at those who are most likely to be the perpetrators of attacks, and I'm afraid that happens to be young men of Asian or Middle Eastern extraction."

Gee, that's a tricky one?

Anyone got any ideas about why young Asians/Muslims would want to attack Britain?

Couldn't be anything to do with us invading Iraq and killing tens of thousands of civilians there, could it?

Nah, must be some other reason because Blair has told us that the "increased" terrorist threat in Britain is NOTHING to do with the invasion of Iraq.

Yep, and invading Ireland didn't give rise to the IRA either I expect.
39

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:21:03
¤31 what an idiotic posting.
40

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:24:11
¤34 root cause is immaterial. We still need to protect ourselves.
41

Vile,

15/12/2007 10:24:23
#29, Dragonlord, I'm pretty sure The Scotsman's editorial staff are well aware how awful this new site is. It is Johnston Press we need to tell.

http://www.johnstonpress.co.uk/jpplc/contactus/
42

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:25:44
i wonder if i will get posting 100 today. Its so important for me.
43

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:27:12
hoos poos. I had to get that out of my system. Any unionist trolls on?
44

Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 10:29:23
People say i am an idiot. And who am I to argue?
45

Montague Q X Burton,

Staring blankly at the Ayrshire Scot's clone spoff 15/12/2007 10:35:47
British Transport Police eh, it's a bit like being cautioned by Postman Pat. Mostly Hobby bobbies innit?
46

happy english,

London 15/12/2007 10:42:58
#34 Do you honestly believe that Islamic terroist are blowing us up because of Iraq and that they would not otherwise. What about in the nineties when they performed the FIRST attack on the Twin Towers Britain and America had NO troops in that country then, in fact very little was heard of Islamic terroist then.When will you learn that these nutcases want to rule the world they hate everthing Western about our way of life.As for Ireland British troops entered there own country which was asked in by the Catholics who then turned on our troops when they realised they were not going to have it there own way.
47

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 15/12/2007 11:34:06
"root cause is immaterial. We still need to protect ourselves"

Er, no.

The root cause is, er, the root cause and if you don't "fix" that then the problem will always be there.
48

Herne the Hunter,

All of Scotland 15/12/2007 11:35:12
In 1980,The Club of Rome said that the rise of terrorism would restrict personal freedom and lead to a police state,if it continues,and here we are!. Ergo, Terrorism is not acting for the Freedom of a race or culture,but that culture's own destruction by totalitarianism.
49

JoeMcT,

Bishops Stortford 15/12/2007 11:36:27
"When will you learn that these nutcases want to rule the world they hate everthing Western about our way of life.As for Ireland British troops entered there own country which was asked in by the Catholics who then turned on our troops when they realised they were not going to have it there own way"

Aye, whit a cheek. The Irish wanting to have their own way in their own country.

Thanks for the history lesson.
50

happy english,

London 15/12/2007 11:46:03
#45 I think it is you who needs the history lesson, the majority of the Northern Irish people are happy with British Rule and want to keep it that way.
51

An English Voice,

15/12/2007 11:57:20
Yet again the SNP show themselves up as pandering to Muslims and being terrorist friendly. Of course, relying on funding from Muslims and "Asians for Independence" the SNP have to be seen to be terrorist friendly. No surprises here
52

An English Voice,

15/12/2007 11:59:22
More terrorist friendly policies from the SNP to impress the Muslim support they seek. No surprises.
53

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Independence 15/12/2007 12:14:19
"He said only one in 400 searches had led to an arrest, and only ever for non-terror-related crimes".
This is about as close as you will get to the Anglo-fascists hinting at the real reasons behind the government created terrorism, population control and census.


"It is also now an offence to organise, take part in or carry on with a demonstration in a "public place" in a "designated area" unless, when that demonstration starts, authorisation has been given."
That, I believe is the whole point of protest, to be anti - authorisation in making your statement, as long as it is peaceful.

As for 46 happy english,London 15/12/2007 11:46:03
You ignorance only compounds your unionism.
54

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 15/12/2007 12:16:10
"I think it is you who needs the history lesson, the majority of the Northern Irish people are happy with British Rule and want to keep it that way."

Yep, they're delighted at being subsidised up to the eyeballs by the rest of the UK.

Good luck to the "Chuckle Brothers".
55

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Independence 15/12/2007 12:18:20
Once again, it brings home to roost the fact that a fully independent Scotland wouldn't be sending battalions off to war over someone else's resources as we would have full control of our own. Merely to engage and promote balanced trade would be exterior policy.
56

JoeMcT,

BlairsFantasyIsland 15/12/2007 12:23:06
"It is also now an offence to organise, take part in or carry on with a demonstration in a "public place" in a "designated area" unless, when that demonstration starts, authorisation has been given."

About 2 or 3 years ago a women was arrested in Whitehall simply for reading out the names of the troops killed in Iraq.

Are we so ashamed of our dead troops that we can't even say their names in Public?

Blair was the worst disater to hit this country since the Black Death.
57

Dueronomy,

The Lowlands 15/12/2007 12:25:59
#40 Ayrshire Scot

I agree entirely with your self analysis Ayrshire; you are indeed an idiot. In fact you are so idiotic that I hear tell that when you were recently stopped and searched at Waverley Station you so enjoyed the experience that you went back several times for a repeat performance. Keeps the figures up I suppose.
58

Paul Carline,

Scotland 15/12/2007 13:33:31
The overt racism, xenophobia and pure gullibility of people in relation to the phoney 'war on terror' is sickening.

How many people have been killed by Muslim terrorists in Britain? Answer: None. There is no evidence that the London tube bombings were carried out by the alleged four young Muslims. Mere assertions without proof by government, police and secret services cannot be trusted: remember the 'Iraq dossier'; the 'ricin plot'; the 'liquid explosives plot'; the police lies after the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes?

ALL the major terrorist acts attributed to Muslim terrorists - WTC '93, 9/11, Bali, Madrid, 7/7 - may have involved Arab or Muslim patsies, but they were all planned and executed by members of the various secret services (CIA, MI6, SIS, Mossad etc.)

On the other hand, as Yok Finney pointed out, white terrorists (primarily the US & UK armed services, plus all the hired white mercenaries) have murdered more than 4 million people in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Between 1969 and 1980, white terrorists (belonging to groups set up, trained and armed by our own MI6 and the CIA) murdered nearly 500 civilians in Europe.

Ex-president of Italy Francesco Cossiga - responsible for the Italian branch of this state-sponsored terrorism, known as 'Operation Gladio' (documented in a BBC film) said in a newspaper interview a week ago that it was "common knowledge in the global intelligence agencies" that 9/11 had been planned and executed by the CIA and Israeli Mossad.

The 'Muslim terrorist threat' is a lie.

If anyone has any real evidence of Muslim terrorism in the UK - or anywhere else - let them state it. Otherwise kindly shut up and stop polluting the ether with your rabid, rancid racism.
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Lynne,

USA 15/12/2007 14:05:21
#52...answer
Air INDIA Flight 182 is blown up by a bomb put onboard the flight from CANADA by unknown terrorists. All 329 people on board are killed. 06-22-85
Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie, SCOTLAND. At the time, it was the worst act of terrorism perpetrated against the United States, and involved the greatest number of peacetime fatalities (270) in the United Kingdom 12-21-88
Suitcase-bomb destroys UTA Flight UT-772 en route to PARIS, killing all 171 passengers and crew. Libyan intelligence involved. 9-19-89
Israeli Embassy bombing by "Islamic Jihad" in Buenos Aires, ARGENTINA; 29 killed, 242 03-17-92
The Iranian embassy in Ottawa (CANADA)is stormed by members of MEK, an Iraq-supported religious right group 04-02-92
plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners is discovered on a laptop computer in a Manila, PHILLIPINES apartment by authorities after an apartment fire occurred in the apartment, by Jemaah
Islamiyah/Konsojaya/Abu Sayyaf Group/Ramzi Yousef/Khalid Shaikh Mohammed 01-06-95
Luxor Massacre – Islamist gunmen attack tourists in Luxor, EGYPT, killing 62 and injuring 24 people, most of them European and Japanese vacationers.
11-17-97
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happy english,

London 15/12/2007 14:31:22
You are one sick dude, Exuse me but who then was that then on video after the London bombings spouting of how great Allah was, he came from Yorkshire Shut your mouth about things you do not know.
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Dueronomy,

15/12/2007 14:36:33
#53 Lynne

Your wasting your breathe Lynne. Fanatical Islamic apoligists such as Paul Carline live in some sort of fantasy world where there muslim brothers can do no wrong and every act of terrorism is perpetrated by the state and the states security services. I bet Carline hasn't the backbone to repeat his rhetoric face to face with the loved ones, of all races, creeds and colours, of victims of terrorist atrocities.
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happy english,

London 15/12/2007 14:42:41
#55 Exactly my thoughts, the likes of him sits behind his keyboard to GUTLESS to face anyone with his views, it is best to ignore him he only enjoys the the air time he gets.
63

Methalions,

15/12/2007 14:45:53
Have a look at

http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1422244812
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Methalions,

15/12/2007 14:47:52
...by the way, the Ayrshire posting here is a fake. There's a space after the TM.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

15/12/2007 14:47:54
#15 "4) Ernie Ross's friend and fellow Dundonian George Galloway said the Prime Minister was a "legitimate" target for assassination."

Having been at school with Mr Ross's son and known him myself for a number of years I had to chuckle when I read this - Ernie Ross cannot stand George Galloway!!!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

15/12/2007 14:50:37
I take it that this 14,000 figure includes searches as people go through barriers etc - to be honest I 'd rather that I was held up for 5 minutes and searched than let some lunatic cause panic.

As long as there are proper controls - the old "Quis custodiet ipsos custodies" - then I have no problem with this kind of action.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

15/12/2007 14:56:41
Doesn't #52 sound like a middle-class trot from the SWP?

Better watch out Ayrshire or he'll want to put you up against the wall when the revolution comes, right?

I said, right?
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Dueronomy,

15/12/2007 14:57:45
#60

Exactly. Some years ago at the height of the troubles in Northern Ireland, I used to commute a great deal to and from Belfast. On leaving Belfast, ALL passengers were security screened before being allowed to enter the International Airport and then security screened before going airside. The majority of people accepted this as a minor inconvenience but as being a necessary precaution. It seems the present security policy in Scotland is seen by some as being racist when it is not.
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Montague Q X Burton,

Wondering how arsepamphlets like EV manage to brea 15/12/2007 15:14:14
So of the 14,000 stopped and searched, how many were card carrying members of the gloabla jihad?

Why were BR Polis doing this whilst there brethren on 'da streets' were not?
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Odin,

Scotland 15/12/2007 15:17:46

As far as I am aware only non-white Muslims feulled by anti-white race hate have been responsible for carrying out suicide bombings on a world-wide basis.

Why must the police search white commuters???

Are they working for the Muslim terrorists ????
71

Dueronomy,

15/12/2007 15:19:38
#63

Because British Transport Police do just that, police the transport hubs.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 15/12/2007 15:31:14
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodies"

"Who Guards the Guards"?

The Fascist Anglo-colonial occupiers.

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Odin,

Scotland 15/12/2007 15:36:39
Instead of searching people at random, visibly targeting innocent oppressed whites in the process why not initiate the necessary steps to do away with the searches altogether.

All you have got to do is ban Muslims from utilising public transport and boarding aircraft.

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 Ayrshire Scot™,

15/12/2007 15:39:19
58 Indeed, the fake Aurshire Scot [space,] (also posting as Deurononmy) is merely a disgruntled ex lover, who has been "stalking" me for some time. I am not sure what this meant to achieve, but please treat the poor thing kindly. Engage with it at your peril though, impotence and a drink problem have clearly unhinged the sorry thing, and he is prone to fixating on anyone who corresponds with it. Cheers (and Hoos Poos)
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 15/12/2007 15:40:37
56 happy english,London 15/12/2007 14:42:41

Oh dear, another blind and headless fool heading for the furnace......... http://www.chickflickthefilm.com/images/photo02.jpg
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 15/12/2007 15:43:58
This is what the Russians were doing in Poland, and stealing all the resources and they had 60 years of it!

We've had over 300 years of this bull**** and there are those who think it's fine!!!!!!!!!!!

Independence now
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happy english,

London 15/12/2007 15:45:35
#56 Shut up Pillock
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Paul Carline,

Scotland 15/12/2007 15:54:40
#53, 54, 55
Interesting responses .. at least Lynne presented some relevant information which can be examined to see whether the official stories hold water or not.
Flight 103 had definite FBI involvement. I will certainly check the other instances listed. Israel is a past master at false-flag terrorism. Ever heard of what happened to the USS Liberty? Was that al-Qaeda?

The others have no facts to show at all. They just gullibly swallow what the mainstream media tell them - and resort to abuse when challenged.

Have you ever heard of videos being faked? At least three fake 'confession' videos or tapes of Osama bin Laden have been 'leaked' to a public which has lost all its critical faculties. Just a reminder: the FBI says it has NO evidence linking ObL to 9/11 - so what happens to the official myth? Did the 19 numpties outwit the trillion-dollar US defence system all on their own? Trouble is: there's no proof of them being on any planes on 9/11.

The London bomber video could easily have been faked - or more probably the poor guy thought he was taking part in an exercise: the exercise being run on the day by Visor Consultants which just 'happened' to have as a scenario the exact same locations where the bombs/explosions went off. Why should we believe the police when they cannot show us a single CCTV image of the alleged bombers in London on that day (just as the Pentagon cannot show us a single image of the supposed Boeing hitting the Pentagon - and the FBI confiscated the tapes from two CCTV cameras which would have shown what actually hit the building).

But no. I forget. I'm wasting my time trying to convince people who aren't interested in facts - only in believing the fairy stories which support their racism and bigotry; people who appear to be quite comfortable with the idea of living in a police state.
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 16:17:34
I wonder if Leon will win the x factor tonight.
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 16:19:57
its britains oil. Scotland has no devine right to claim it.
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 16:22:37
if this forum was a village then i would be its village idiot. To me it is one giant chat room. Whats a topic anyway? Well its something I ignore thats what it is.
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Arseforhire Scot ™ ,

15/12/2007 16:26:00
#75 I agree
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Arseforhire Scot ™ ,

15/12/2007 16:27:13
There's more than one village idiot here.
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Boab,

Glasgow 15/12/2007 16:27:24
#52 Paul: I don't buy the story that 9/11 was faked but there are plenty of verifiable facts about the London bombings that people overlook. Nafeez Ahmed sets these out in his book 'The London Bombings':

The terrorists used military grade explosive and set off three explosions almost simultaneously. This was a high-level al-Qaeda operation carried out by experts who were connected to Abu Hamza and the Finsbury Park Mosque. These facts were all glossed over by the official version; unlike America after 9/11, Britain didn't demand an official enquiry.

Bag searches are fairly futile against an explosion big enough to destroy an underground train. All this does is to perpetuate the myth that British Muslims with Internet access have the ability to carry out large scale bombings. They're more likely to carry out a fiasco like the 21/7 bombing on London or the Glasgow 'attack'.

So, rather than getting indignant about all these evil Muslims in our midst, maybe we should start holding our own government to account?
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 16:27:26
All muslims should be told that if they want to use rucksacks on trains then they should be made with see through plastic. Then we could stop the searches.
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Arseforhire Scot ™ ,

15/12/2007 16:27:44
Is this being moderated now?
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whitegold,

Wales 15/12/2007 16:31:04
Seems like this is a massive amount of police time & effort. Yet when it comes to persistent yob behaviour in certain areas that are literally driving people to suicide, the police are uninterested.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 15/12/2007 16:44:46
Close down the English government and the havoc they wreak in the name of imperialism with their 'unintellegence' services.

We have all had enough.

99.99 % of us had a reasonable day today, all this politic of fear is irrelevant and ultimately shooting themselves and everybody else in the foot.
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Dueronomy,

The Lowlands 15/12/2007 16:45:38
@68 Ayrshire Scot

You really are a sick wee man. You are so obsessed that people are stalking you that you are becoming paranoidally deluded. When I replied @51 to the comments @40 I was taking that comment at face value. I find your comments @68 revolting and have reported them as such. You really should try to make a life for yourself away from your keyboard Ayrshire or I can imagine that you are going to end up spending the rest of your not so many days living on the funny farm.
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Ayrshire Scot™ ,

15/12/2007 16:51:10
¤80 yes i am sick (and thick).