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Published Date: 29 July 2008
NEW laws could make it illegal not to have recycling facilities in workplaces and public areas, including shopping centres, lay-bys and beaches.
The Scottish Government says 80 per cent of people now recycle at home, and it wants to make sure they do not have to change their habits when they go to work or out for the day.

Legislation, out for consultation, could be brought in that applies to retailers, shopping centres, airports, beaches, car parks, cinemas, entertainment sites, parks, lay-bys, sports stadia and government buildings. Owners or occupiers would have to provide recycling facilities, arrange for material to be taken away and keep track of amounts collected.

If they failed to comply, they could be penalised.

The measures, aimed at helping Scotland come close to being a zero-waste country, were welcomed by environment groups.

However, there are concerns among businesses worried about being penalised if they fail to comply.

Other measures considered in the report include setting new targets for reducing packaging and forcing companies to buy recycled materials. It also suggests bringing back "deposit and reward" schemes to pay consumers for returning bottles.

Richard Lochhead, the environment secretary, said in the consultation document that he was aiming to change the way Scotland regards its waste.

"Moving towards a zero-waste society will ensure we obtain greater economic, social and environmental value from the resources which have been considered to be waste," he said.

He added that the Scottish Government believes legislation may play a part. "Other countries in the EU – with higher recycling rates than Scotland – have legislation in place to encourage environmentally sustainable behaviour by business, retailers, the public sector and individuals," he said.

The measures would help meet the 2025 targets of 70 per cent of waste being recycled, and municipal waste sent to landfill to be cut to 5 per cent.

Andy Wilcox, Scottish policy convener at the Federation of Small Businesses, said he was concerned about "unintended consequences". He added: "Too often, we have seen 'one-size-fits-all' legislation which unfairly discriminates against Scotland's smaller businesses."

However, Duncan McLaren, director of Friends of the Earth Scotland, believes legislation is necessary. He said: "To get the consistency that means people can be confident they will always be able to recycle, I think the legal approach is justified."

He wants mandatory waste targets for businesses.

Iain Gulland, director of the Waste and Resources Action Programme for Scotland, said it made sense for recycling facilities to be put in areas where they were needed. "It's clear, especially with aluminium cans, for example, that most are drunk away from the home," he said.


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  • Last Updated: 29 July 2008 2:46 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Guga II,

Rockall 29/07/2008 01:16:17
As we head for a Maggie Broon led recession, that's all we need, higher costs and penalties for small businesses.

Have we not had enough of the Stalinist, totalitarian, control freak New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party tactics? Why not just try encouraging people, rather than bringing in more legislation, higher costs and more penalties?
2

Statsman,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 02:59:59
"The article has been unable to display."

That's useful. It happens a lot.

The Johnston Press website template is total balls.
3

Pocket Dictionary,

29/07/2008 07:26:42
Fife Council wants to get an award for being a green council and they are currently telling staff to only print as necessary.

Last week an office block was blitzed with 30 plus full colour A4 sheets announcing a staff members 21st birthday. That's saving the environment - not!
4

Citylocal Fife,

Fife News 29/07/2008 07:46:43
There is always the danger of spending a pound to save a penny, especially in regard to recycling.
5

OLD GIN,

METHIL LEVEN 29/07/2008 08:23:06
MY LOCAL PARK BYRON PARK IN METHIL IS A MESS AFTER THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS LEAVE . VERY UNTIDY THEIR ARE BINS IN THE PARK BUT THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO USE
6

ecofriendly,

Glasgow 29/07/2008 08:32:34
To Guga II:
The Scottish Parliament is currently run by the SNP so sorry but you cannae kick Labour for this one!
7

bluehead,

edinburgh 29/07/2008 08:49:20
stick your recycling,where the monkey sticks it's nuts
there is always someone, desperate to give orders to other people,it becomes a habit,
recyclists should be dumped into the rubbish bin along with the rest of the rubbish.
8

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 29/07/2008 08:56:16
Recycling is an environmentally unfriendly fad which already uses massive amounts of energy, dangerous chemicals and has to be freighted vast distances. It is no more than a pathetic excuse for manufacturers to produce shoddy or quickly-obselescent goods or to disguise unattractive wares wih over packaging.

Don't recycle. Buy good quality goods that will last - you'll save money, resources and the environment.

Don't recycle. Reuse. Packaging costs money which is passed on to the consumer. So why pay for something you can't use?
9

gevallen,

Shetland 29/07/2008 09:04:02
Here in Shetland most folk recycle everything ...
We have places that will take your unwanted furniture/computers and repair/restore them and pass them on at a minimal cost to the buyer and there are no shorages of buyers as things are very difficult to obtain here and it costs an arm and a leg to cover postage or delivery....

The one really bad thing as i see it is the S.I.C ( council) they wase paper like there was no tomorrow.....We all have email addresses and yet they still in sisit in sending out lots of unessesary letters...We have no recycling as far ar putting things in different wheelie bins as everything is taken to be incinerated and this is used to heat the homes in the town ....Sadly we dont have this luxery in the most rural parts and the electricty we have to use for everything has to be outwaying the " Green Theme "

I have to agree with an earlier comment that we are in danger of becoming like the Russian citizens guring the Cold Was ...BIG BROTHER is doing itms best to control all our lives...
10

scottish person,

paisley 29/07/2008 09:20:23
Why penalise the small businesses more. The ned's wont use a bin never mind recycling. Do the chinese recycle, since they are the biggest polluters why not punish them. Leave the scots alone, and stick your recycling and extra paperwork where the sun does not shine
11

Bad Boy Maxman,

Grangemouth 29/07/2008 09:23:38
C'mon, team! Why are you all so negative? Let's get to saving the world - one milk carton at a time? Yeah, because THAT'S going to work...
12

Unimpressed one,

29/07/2008 09:36:33
Another diktat from Nulabour that will restrict public freedom and affect business. The answer to recycling is metals and glass yes, everything else put into a big hole.
13

Scottish Golf History,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 09:40:27
You had my support - right up to the moment you said 'and keep track of amounts collected'. I have enough to do without counting milk cartons and used envelopes.

14

In the governement we trust!,

29/07/2008 09:43:31
bluehead #8

Lets use your backyard from now on to dump all our waste in shall we?

9# "Don't recycle. Buy good quality goods that will last - you'll save money, resources and the environment."

eerrr cans of coke, glass bottles, newspapers, plastic etc etc Buy good quality goods.......????? What???

When you buy a can of coke Jacqueline Hyde do you take the can home with you and use it for another can of coke?? Or do you throw it in a bin mixed with alsorts of s.h.1.t making it impossible for anyone to sort and recycle??

Even better in my local area I have seen people putting their bags of dog mess in with normal rubbish because their are no bins for that specifically. Very nice hmmm

Its a great idea to have more facilities to divide all of our waste to allow it to be re used rather than fill this beautiful country more and more with filthy land fill sites unless Bluehead does not mind us using his backyard? If blue has one.

But what the government should also be doing is penalizing the likes of Tescos etc for over packaging their goods. They should be forced to reduce their package substantially as well as introducing more recycling facilities. Stop blaming the government all the time take some resposibility for yourselves.

The Carbon Dioxide causing the earth to warm up is a load of rubbish but recycling what we use is a great idea I am shocked that some of you incredibly ignorant people are saying its a waste of time and another way of the government controlling us.... pathetic!!!! Get real!!!

Out of sight out of mind hey guys!!!!

What a bunch of moaning old b*****ds this once great nation has turned into I pitty the children that will have to try and clear up after you morons in the future I hope they do not carry your views or genes.
15

Norman,

29/07/2008 10:02:18
#9 Jacqueleine - Don't recycle. Buy good quality goods that will last - you'll save money, resources and the environment.

Admirable it's true, but, er, what about milk that comes in plastic bottles, newspapers, cardboard packaging on our cereals, wine that comes in glass bottles, our beans that come in tins, etc etc?

That's what should be recycled, otherwise we'll end up with landfill up the wazoo.
16

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 10:04:32
Spot on GugaII

This government just don't think sometimes. In that respect, they are following right in stupid labour's footsteps.

Things like this are best done via encouragement and slowly changing people's habits by phasing in recycling.

It should NEVER be done by stomping all over people with jack-boots and fining people and businesses if they do not comply RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.

When will they ever learn that the way to get the best out of people is to win them over so that they are inclined to want to do what you plan in any case? After all, that is one of the basic principles of leadership and management.
17

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 29/07/2008 10:37:04
Before we get even more regulation shoved down our throats how about some persuasion? It would be useful to know for example how much of the "recycled" stuff is in fact recycled and re-used as contrasted with putting it in skips which imply this will take place? How much of this is just put in containers and shipped to China to be someone else's problem (at our vast expense). Why not burn half of it and save using further scarce resources. Woops - forgot that produces Carbon Dioxide and that would never do.

Also, is it economic in the sense that there is a return on investment for this as opposed to some twee notion that we're saving the planet? All very well saving the planet but not if you go broke in the process! What's the payback for taxes which fund this?

"To get the consistency that means people can be confident they will always be able to recycle, I think the legal approach is justified."

As usual it seems that FoE have a hidden socialist/communist agenda in that punishment is the first option and no doubt they would welcome informers telling the authorities who has contravened the legislation and betrayed the State. Has no one told them that the Berlin Wall came down a while ago! Disappointing to see that the SNP agree legislation "may play a part".
18

Yeah1,

29/07/2008 10:51:19
#1 Guga and #13 unimpressed one:

"Have we not had enough of the Stalinist, totalitarian, control freak New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party tactics?"

"Another diktat from Nulabour that will restrict public freedom and affect business."

Did you actually bother to read the article before launching into a rant against the labour party? If you had done you would realise this is a SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT initiative - the Scottish Government are currently run by the SNP - hence this is an SNP initiative and is nothing to do with labour.

Is that clear enough for you to understand?

I'm sure Guga for one will now suddenly change his tune and think this is a brilliant idea now he realises his SNP idols are the ones bringing this initiative forward?
19

Saoghal Beag,

29/07/2008 10:56:46
ach, the all too predicatble kick backs. Government controlling our every move and the blinking ecofascists running the show.

There is a simple reality that dictates that we must increase recycling. We do not have any landfill sites which are designed with the interior cpacity of the tardis. Our available sites are filling fast. It comes down to recycle or be knee deep in your own kiech?
20

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 29/07/2008 11:13:13
#20

Yes. So why not burn the sh1te??! Lots of great Co2 and eco-friendly ash.
21

EvaS,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 11:34:57
I don't get this anti recycling attitude. At least in Edinburgh it's really easy to do it these days just having to put a box out on the street like the normal bin.

What about oil prices? Oil is used to produce plastic so not recycling packaging adds to the demand and demand leads to a rise in price...

Unlike most I have actually visited a recycling site once and know that it actually is a business creating jobs as well as being very important environmentally.

I moved here from Germany a couple of years ago and no one there would even dream of not recycling glass for example (which does not rot at all and just stays on landfill sites forever)

The government there introduced a "deposit and reward" policy for all drinks bottles and cans apart from ones made of PET bottles which are the least polluting. It caused huge controversy but it led to drinks cans all but disappearing out of shops and more and more producers using PET for their bottles. So after just about a year the consumer wasn't any worse off but a huge cut down in the most polluting waste had been achieved!

By the way, what do you think people in thirty years would say about a government that didn't do anything about the waste problem when it was possible to reduce the harm already done?

There are countless reasons to recycle and basically only laziness not to do it.
22

Number 6,

Germany 29/07/2008 11:40:57
Come on Scotland, you and Englandshire are the last european bastions of no-recycling. True, we should not need to force people to recycle, but if they don't, then I would certainly charge more for refuse collection.

The system in Austria is so efficient, that thousands of jobs are being created in the recycling industry,
and they are disposing of their waste in a clean manner,producing most of the power needed in the towns and cities.

it's not too hard ( NO longer an acceptable excuse in an SNP run Scotland), and we don't have to wait for Englandshire to take the lead. Let's clean up our streets and rivers, cut down on the stench of rotting refuse and the vermin they attract. A controlled, efficient re-cycling system would slash the energy bills of the average Scottish family and get our non-skilled benefit brigades back to work .
23

Daisychain,

29/07/2008 11:57:49
Don't kick against legislation just because you can.
It's this kind of reactionary political rubbish that shouts out that you don't care about the actual issue.

Unfortunately a lot of people and businesses do need legislation to make them make an effort for the greater good. Unfortunately a lot of people and businesses will not do anything about waste and its effects until someone says they have to. Unfortunately a lot of people and businesses can't be bothered to invest in the future either by changing their practises, making provision to clearing up the mess they make, or frankly be bothered to walk a few metres to put something into a recycling bin or, lets face it, ANY kind of bin.

Sad bit true, a lot of people would spend their lives sitting on the loo unless someone else came by and wiped their backside for them.
24

PeterPete,

29/07/2008 12:41:46
Let's remove all restrictive red tape jack boot legislation that affects businesses, things like employment legislation, selling faulty goods, not killing employees, that kind of thing. It is outrageous that a company that pours sewage into a river then gets fined for it!

We need a totally unfettered business environment where companies can do what they like, like employ 12 years olds to sweep chimneys etc.

Things were much better in Victorian times when people could legally excercise their human right to throw their waste out of the windows. That is what we need to see happening again.
25

Memyself&I,

29/07/2008 13:51:13
Why don't these clowns make it law that the council must provide recycling facilities for residential properties. I have asked Edinburgh City Council countless times to put recycling facilities around my home. I live amongst around 300 flats in a quiet development. Talk about a quick fix! All it takes is around a few dozen extra bins and its job done. 300 extra homes recycling. These people are idiots of the highest order.

26

N B,

29/07/2008 13:55:57
The environmental bampots are at it again I see. I say to all you eco warriors, if you care so much about the issue then you should get your electric and gas cut off, only use water that you collect in a rain butt, only eat food you have grown yourself or better still, go an live rough. When you environMENTALISTS have reduced your carbon footprint to zero then come and give me a lecture...
27

N B,

29/07/2008 13:58:56
#26 MeMy

300 Flats in your scheme? Steel bins? I'm Guessing you live in Pilton. Stick a dozen recycle bins there and within 24 hours they will be up in smoke or gone.
28

Daisychain,

29/07/2008 14:03:28
N.B.
So, so reasonable. Suggestions we might all have a part to play in clearing up after ourselves becomes a lecture to you. When does mummy change your nappy?
29

N B,

29/07/2008 14:08:28
#29 Daisy

You are not getting the point. If people like you think putting your rubbish in different cloured bins is saving the planet then you are mental. If you really want to do your bit then get the Electric and gas cut off and never used motorised transport, have you seen the film Witness? When you are as righteous as those good people then you will have some grounds for you mentalist spoutings.
30

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 29/07/2008 14:27:40
There are some VERY stubborn Scots who will not get with the programme of the EU and North America in trying to reduce waste by recycling AND reusing and refusing to buy overpackaged goods.

This initiative is good for the environment and will be the norm in very few years.

To think it as a totalitarian or "Big Brother" measure is to ignore the problem and future generations will pay for this shortsightedness.

But that won't happen because students in grade-school and beyond are taught recycling and it is up to them to bring their neanderthal and close-minded parents in line with MODERN thinking.
31

N B,

29/07/2008 14:47:20
#31 Tim

Do you use electricity at your home?
32

Number 6,

Germany 29/07/2008 14:54:50
#32 NB you come across as rather primitive.
33

In the governement we trust!,

29/07/2008 16:23:17
N.B. please explain how everyone recycling whatwe use is not helpful to the environment?? Asking you to recycle your goods is not giving you a lecture its asking you to help even if you think its a waste of time be prepared to accept that you may or may not be right. But please note that by doing nothing is pure ignorance on all of our parts.

I was so pleased to log back in here to see some people understand that by beginning to do a little all helps in the long run and theres no such thing as a quick fix of hundreds of years of evolutionary ignorance and complete lack of efficieny in the way we use resources.

Lets hope that Mediaeval Briton can catch up with those countries who are shining examples of what we should be doing.

Great views =

Number 6,Germany
TimW1234,
Daisychain,
Memyself&I
EvaS
Saoghal Beag
Yeah1,

To all the people who have put the idea down please at least try to give it a go as without you helping we cannot achieve the best possible results. Together we can make a change but divided we fall.
34

cabrach loon,

inverness 29/07/2008 17:57:00
In Europe they collect plactic and tetrablocks for recycling - why not in scotland, or is it only highland council that lags behind europe? Before starting to come down heavy handed let us have a proper fuller recycling ability in centres and at homes. apert from that we klnow global warming as a human activity result is runbbish, look at the outputs please from volcanoes, refinery flares, solar effects etc. etc first please and give us some comparative figures with luny mankind and his motor cars etc,
35

Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

29/07/2008 19:26:42
1 Guga II,Rockall 29/07/2008 01:16:17

It costs YOU £39 a ton to bury the she-ite in landfill, so what is wrong with making irresponsible businesses actually help the citizen for once in their greed fuelled existence!

On the point of 'small businesses', suffice to say that if they 'collect recyclates' which are then picked up by the LA, then the cash generated from that will go in some way towards keeping LIT and Business rates down.

I really do get the feeling that you are a 'Plastic Nash'

3 Pocket Dictionary,29/07/2008 07:26:42

30 plus A4 sheets is hardly a 'Blitz'krieg'ing!!!!

8 blue??head,edinburgh 29/07/2008 08:49:20

yer talking keech man!!

9 Jacqueline Hyde ,On the shelf 29/07/2008 08:56:16

See above comment on #8!!!

You obviously do not understand what the term recycling means!!

19 Yeah1,29/07/2008 10:51:19

Don't know if you are an Onionist, and on this occasion, I don't really care ;-), but I certainly agree with your comments on some of the posters, there should be a 'rule' about it,sort of like
"Ensure brain is in gear before engaging keyboard fingers" or summats like that ;-)

31 TimW1234,Ottawa, Canada 29/07/2008 14:27:40

A 'Canuck' telling the world what to do, Jeez what next New Yorkers actually saying that Joisee people ain't dat thick afterall!!!

and for the benefit of anti-recyclers, if you continue not to recycle then inevitably the price of everything will go up, as there are finite amounts of the main packaging materials, i.e. polycarbonate.

If, however you embrace recycling, then you can expect things to be more stable!! It is cheaper to return a glass bottle to a bottling plant and sterilise it for re-use that it is to crush it and make a new one, why do you think Barr's charge 30p deposit on a glass bottle. What it ain't is rocket science!!!

Jeez wise up before you really do get f uc ked up!!!
36

Saoghal Beag,

29/07/2008 19:27:35
21, thanks for your usual constructive input. burning is an option for some waste streams, ofcourse if we don't create those waste streams to start with, that's even better. My point is there is no psace to hold the volumes of waste we are creating in the long run. I suppose we could dump in your front and back garden, then you would be surrounding with your own and everyone else's keich, or we could burn some, which would you prefer?
37

Tarchin,

Lothian 29/07/2008 21:42:39
In 1932 Bert Kalmar wrote the following lyrics which sum up certain posters on this thread:

I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway
Whatever it is I'm against it
No matter what it is or who commenced it
I'm against it

Your proposition may be good
But let's have one thing understood
Whatever it is I'm against it
And even when you've changed it or condensed it
I'm against it.
Horse Feathers starring the Marx Brothers
38

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 29/07/2008 21:47:34
#37

I thought I just said that - burn it! At least we get some heat value out and can make use of that and the net result is a much smaller pile of stuff to dump. I think I was agreeing with you there...
39

Resolutions,

29/07/2008 22:24:07
#35 Refinery flares???? That sure is human activity!!

It is maybe about time, very many people posting here, got out and about a bit more. Recycling (re-using) is a way of life over a very large part of the developed world, where 'waste' is an industry providing 'energy' as well as goods. We are lagging a long way behind.

As for the sceptics(sorry lazy blighters) who think that human activity has little to do with the climatic factors we are facing, could you explain that smog(Los Angeles style or Chinese) is a product of natural circumstances? Sorry, but these activities are a contributing factor and a fairly large one.

Start behaving as if you are in a developed educated country.
40

PointOf View,

Edinburgh Stirling Bridge. 30/07/2008 02:40:22
Guga 11 Rockall,

Come on guy's this is simply about compliance and totalitarian control. The bigger picture or should i say new order!
Great result for SNP Glasgow East, but can't agree with SNP pro Europe stance. Free Scotland does not mean swap westminster for brussels, well not in my book.
41

PointOf View,

Edinburgh Stirling Bridge. 30/07/2008 02:56:23
I agree manufacturing uses way to much packaging for which government would just love to charge us (Tax) for having a over flowing bin empted.
I do believe Human activity contributes to global warming to some degree however the earths climate has always been volatile in fact its just gone through a very unusual ten thousand years period of relative stability. In the end the earth and nature will do what its good at and self determine no matter what we or the government say or do. The reality is ultimately the elements will decide, bin or no bins!!

Great topic Hootsman, to redirect attention away from what’s going on with Liebour and Ma Broon and his wee Darling..
42

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek 30/07/2008 03:00:24
#9 how long have you been a DI=KHEAD.
43

PointOf View,

Edinburgh Stirling Bridge. 30/07/2008 03:03:44
In see there's going to be a huge drive to cut supermarket bags by up to 70 per cent, may use legislation to enforce.

Ah know; let’s just feed them to the pensioners and low income? Then they wont be left with the choice of heat or eat this winter!!! Bin's indeed.

I know just what i'd like to be putting in the bin!
44

Daisychain,

30/07/2008 10:43:50
#30
N.B., I'm really trying to see your point but I just can't.

Behaving in a respectful way towards the place we live is not righteous or mentalist, as you put it. And no, I don't think putting bottles in different coloured bins is in itself going to save the planet, but it's more productive than throwing them into a bin and then a landfill. And if businesses don't contribute towards pollution in the first place there'll be less mess to clean up.

And hence the need for legislation so people like you can stamp their feet, shout and scream and get abusive all you like - and plenty of people will take some responsibility for themselves while you throw your toys out the pram.
45

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 30/07/2008 11:00:48
#32

What a stupid, ill-considered comment.

Of course I sue use electricity but get it from a provider that uses environmentally-safe practices. It is called "FrogPower".

Do you expect me to get on a treadmill and generate my own electricity or live entirely by candlelight?

What an ignorant troglodyte you are or maybe you are just haveing me on. I hope it is the latter.

 

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