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Published Date: 24 September 2009
VIEWERS in an independent Scotland would see the BBC replaced by a new state-funded broadcaster, it has emerged.
In a paper on the future of Scottish broadcasting, culture minister Mike Russell outlined a vision for a purely Scottish broadcasting corporation (SBC) funded by licence payers, advertising and direct taxation.

The change is necessary because viewers in Scotland were still being short-changed by the current system, Mr Russell said.

The BBC – which would in effect become a foreign broadcaster – would still be available to Scottish viewers on digital or satellite platforms.

However, viewers could be forced to pay two licence fees if they wanted to continue to watch popular BBC programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing and EastEnders.

In a populist move, he said Scotland's World Cup and European Championship football qualifiers could be shown free in an independent Scotland. There would also be a beefed-up Gaelic television service.

Opposition parties, however, described the document as the "latest example of SNP grandstanding from a fantasy wish list" for an independent Scotland.

The Scottish Government paper sets out possibilities for broadcasting under the present system, under more devolved powers and under full independence, as part of the "national conversation" on the country's constitutional future.

It said that, under the present set-up – with broadcasting powers reserved to Westminster – Scottish broadcasting is "marginalised" within the UK.

Under full independence, viewers would not see a reduction in choice or quality, the paper continued. "We therefore are clear that a Scottish Government would aim to enhance the broadcasting services available to Scotland by establishing new Scottish broadcasting institutions while retaining the availability of the main UK broadcasters," said the paper.

One of the options laid out is to use the Irish state television model of funding a new SBC. This would include a mix of licence fees, advertising and direct taxation.

Currently, viewers in the Irish Republic are also able to access the BBC without charge, but The Scotsman understands that the BBC is unhappy with this arrangement and would seek to prevent viewers in an independent Scotland having similar free access.

"Why should England and Wales pay a licence fee while Scotland gets the service free?" one source said.

This has raised doubts about whether popular programmes would still be accessible north of the Border.

One option would be for Scotland to pay part of its own licence fee to the BBC.

There would also be a new Scottish version of Ofcom – the broadcasting regulator – set up to oversee television and radio in a newly independent country.

Mr Russell launched the document on the day he made a statement in parliament attacking the UK government for failing to consider a proposal made by a recent commission on broadcasting in Scotland for the creation of a Scottish digital channel.

Mr Russell criticised television channels which had previously pledged to increase the number of programmes produced in Scotland. Both BBC and Channel 4 had made "strong public commitments to do more to increase network production in Scotland".

But just 1.4 per cent of Channel 4's network programming was made in Scotland, he said.

"That is, I have to say, completely unacceptable – it needs to do much more," he said.

He said that broadcasting talent in Scotland was being underused and the country's potential was not being developed.

And he pointed out that £130 million of Scottish licence fee money is not spent in Scotland and that Scotland's overall value in the network production share across the UK is a mere 2.5 per cent.

He said: "I do not accept that there is not the talent and potential in Scotland to produce high-quality television."

However, he insisted that what he was proposing in the paper was an option under independence which would offer more choice, not less.

"There is cross-party consensus on the clear need for an improvement in public service broadcasting in Scotland and I hope this will continue. Audiences in Scotland are not receiving the services they deserve.

"The Scottish Broadcasting Commission's detailed evidence made clear that Scottish viewers value relevant public-service broadcasting. It also showed clear demand for increases in both quality and quantity."

The paper was the latest contribution to the Scottish Government's National Conversation on independence following contributions on an oil fund and foreign affairs.

Even though, like its predecessors, it also laid out options for the status quo or increased devolution, the paper's section on independence was met with criticism from opposition parties. Labour's culture spokeswoman Pauline McNeill described the idea of an SBC as "undoable".

She said that the size of the BBC allowing for "efficiencies of scale" was important in producing high-quality programming.

"It's just nonsense to imagine that an SBC with a £300m budget would be able to perform the same role," she said.

She also questioned how an SBC could produce prime-time programmes to compete with popular shows such as Strictly Come Dancing, EastEnders, The Apprentice and Dragons' Den.

Conservative culture spokesman Ted Brocklebank, a former broadcaster, said: "The SNP is going through contractions to make Scotland's television fit into its narrow nationalist view.

"It speaks volumes that they had to rapidly reassure viewers in Scotland that they could still watch the BBC's UK output but couldn't rule out Scots having to pay for it twice."

National football team's matches 'could be shown free in independent country'

SCOTLAND'S World Cup and European Championship football qualifiers could be shown free on television if the country gained independence, Scottish ministers claimed.

The move was suggested as part of the Scottish Government's National Conversation on the country's constitutional future.

Under the independence scenario, the paper said: "We would be able to add additional events which are prioritised and broadcast on free-to-air television.

"For example, Scotland's football qualifiers for the World Cup and European Championship are currently only available on satellite television, but a government of an independent Scotland could make them available to all fans on terrestrial television."

The issue of the Scottish national team's matches not being available on free-to-air broadcasting has long been a source of contention in Holyrood.

Currently Scotland's football matches are shown exclusively on Sky, which requires fans to pay a subscription.

However, the Scottish Football Association has always insisted that politicians would have to find a way of compensating the loss of revenue and sponsorship worth £60 million from Sky alone in a deal stretching to 2014.

Tuning In

HOW would the new Scottish broadcasting corporation (SBC) be funded?


From the £300 million raised from the licence fee in Scotland, £130m of which is currently not spent in Scotland. There are also proposals for government subsidies from direct taxation and advertising revenue. This is drawn from the model used to fund state television in Ireland.

What sort of programmes would an SBC show?

This is yet to be outlined except that the SNP want Scottish national football matches to be on freeview. Culture minister Mike Russell also wants SBC to have its own news programmes looking at the world from a Scottish perspective and possibly including items made by the BBC. The paper made clear there would also be an increased Gaelic service.

Would Scots still be able to watch BBC programmes?

The SNP proposal is to increase choice, which means that in their view BBC programmes would still be available as they currently are to Irish viewers.

Would Scots have to pay for BBC programmes?

This is currently unclear. Irish viewers get BBC through freeview and pay nothing. However, it is believed that the BBC would be unhappy to be broadcasting to a "foreign" nation without receiving any income.

Mr Russell yesterday implied the Scottish Government may negotiate a fee for it.

With a licence fee income of £300m how would it be able to compete with a BBC with an income of £4.7 billion?

This has yet to be explained by the SNP, but its view is that the new SBC would simply be able to offer Scottish choice.

Mr Russell believes that Scots would prefer to tune in to news programmes with a Scottish perspective on the world.



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  • Last Updated: 23 September 2009 11:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The BBC
 
1

Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,

23/09/2009 22:21:22

Brilliant. Another "hilarious to the point of incontinence" "policy" paper from "Weasel" Russell.

The great thing about all these Nat documents is that they are actually going to the bother of quantifying all the cash costs of "independence". (I strongly suspect there is a Unionist mole in charge of doing all the annexes for these papers. Cracking stuff, whoever you are.)

So, like, duh, yes the Beeb will indeed switch off all its repeater stations north of the border unless somebody is paying to keep them switched on. Got that yet?

Can't wait for the "Defence" "non-policy" "document".

Please hurry up with it.
2

Justin Timbercake,

23/09/2009 22:37:46
Dear oh Dear!

No BBC and a 'beefed up Gaelic television service'.

I think the majority of Scots would lose the will to live.

Just as well independence is a busted flush and there is no chance of this happening.
3

Justin Timbercake,

23/09/2009 22:49:33
Some good programs could come out of it mind you.

* Loose Women filmed exclusively in Dundee

* Crimewatch from Glasgow. Would just need to randomly link in to any of the street CCTV Cameras there.

* The Antiques Roadshow, live from Bute House
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24/09/2009 00:01:06
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Ggordon,

24/09/2009 00:05:29


Gordon Brewer better watch out
6

Ggordon,

24/09/2009 00:07:55
JT


How about 'A Study of Obsessional Behaviour'

You could make that one yourself
7

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 00:08:15

Alex Salmonds Vision of our own Television sounds all very Expensive, will we be able to afford it?



8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 00:11:09

Today I will purchase a high-gain aerial, and point it south of the border, in the hope that this will save me from Mr Salmonds Visions of Televisions!
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Stuart Braithwaite,

edinburgh 24/09/2009 00:13:50
This, as unionist scaremongering goes has to be up there with John Reids "you won't be able to visit your cousins in England" utterance before the last election. The Dutch have BBC1 and BBC2 and pay no license fee. Is there a movement to adopt the Netherlands into the UK or is this just another instance of Scotland's worst newspaper talking utter rubbish. Again.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 00:14:38

(SBC) funded by licence payers, advertising and direct taxation.

3 times the current Licence Fee, that means app £400, it therefore is,.....
..."Thanks, but NO-Thanks, Alex Salmond"!!


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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 24/09/2009 00:18:01
I look forward to an explosion of creative talent producing stunning television that will be exported across the world. A huge number of jobs could be created in Glasgow on the back of this. Fantastic idea. Or we could continent to send our money and talent to London. The BBC makes some good programmes but let's me honest. Most of it is either irrelevent or dross. I have the confidence that we can make great TV here in Scotland.
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Am Balach,

Isle of Skye 24/09/2009 00:20:27
Bloody predictive text!
13

Ggordon,

24/09/2009 00:21:19


Was wondering where you where Charles?

There's a 1 st spots left for you

£400 that's a bit stiff, along with the £60 a week electric bill. Where do you stay Mansion House

14

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

24/09/2009 00:27:19
Unionists seem repelled by the thought of looking at the rest of the world through a Scottish eye.

May I refer them to the Gospel of St Matthew Chapter 18 Verse 9.
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livilion,

livingston 24/09/2009 00:29:20
Oh no, If Scotland becomes independent will Sky stop broadcasting north of Carlisle.

British Broadcasting Corporation: Hmm, if Scotland becomes independent will England be still calling itself Britain?

How on earth does Ireland and NewZealand and those hundreds of nations smaller than Scotland survive without the BBC?

Or is this a move by Whitehall to soften us up for increasing the efficiencies of scale by going for an EU BC?

Lets face it most of our 'British' programming is as relevant to me in Livingston as CNN or the Fox Network.
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24/09/2009 00:35:00
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Fifi la Bonbon,

24/09/2009 00:35:56
the nationalists have seen how STV has been serving the Scottish people - and they want more of that!
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danbob,

24/09/2009 00:37:54
16# You could pay for sky through subscription and still get the BBC. But you will also pay for a scottish TV licence. The real question is with a budget of just £300 million would the programme quality be worth paying for. It also opens up a new question. How much will it cost to collect the licence money. Ireland gets the BBC through freeview and it is extremely popular. The reason is simple, Irish TV is cr**. Will Salmonds dream of a scottish version be the same?
19

Arfur,

24/09/2009 00:42:35
seeing the bbc is a pill of p*ss anyway and this channel would be hard pushed to be worse plus it will have the scotland games - i am all for it.
20

Fifi la Bonbon,

That's except for viewers in Scotland, who've got 24/09/2009 00:44:19
#11 - Happy Hollidays. On BBC1, Friday, 10.35pm. All true patriots must watch, and must pretend to enjoy it.

Also Scotland Revealed, with Vanessa Collingridge. On STV tomorrow, 9pm, while people in England see The Bill. Its Scottish, so grin and bear it.

Armando Iannucci has the last word -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7scMC7YSDQ


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danbob,

24/09/2009 00:45:26
Oh Arfur. Calling the BBC a pill of p*ss and then drooling over watching Scotland getting turned over time and again. You crack me up. Can I have some of what your on?
22

Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 00:53:09
The BBC ARE a foreign broadcaster,

Britain is England and Wales.

Great Britain is England Wales and Scotland.

That explains it eh?

Why did they not call it the GBBC?

Obfuscation?

Of course.
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danbob,

24/09/2009 00:53:49
Just think whilst the BBC is showing England playing in the world cup, the SBC could show the film classic, out of Africa. Would suit scottish footba fans to the ground.
24

livilion,

livingston 24/09/2009 00:54:58
#19 danbob

Scottish television cr*p - just because it would be made in Scotland, for Scots?

Aye well I suppose if you were Irish and watching in Ireland, or French watching in France, I can see how it might be.

Certainly BBC and ITV made in England for England watched in Scotland certainly is. That's why I subscribe to Satelite tv.
25

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Gordon Brown 24/09/2009 00:56:28
#15 Pierre

I am familliar with that passage.

They don't call me an "anti-Scottish, one eyed son of a manse" for nothing.
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livilion,

livingston 24/09/2009 00:59:15
25 danbob
The word is 'Fitba'
If you must patronise, try getting the etymology right.
27

danbob,

24/09/2009 01:01:03
No livilion it is really Football. But I suppose the scottish version could be described differently.
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danbob,

24/09/2009 01:05:59
26# The evidence is already there. It's been commented on all week on this site. What happens when a broadcaster is broke and cannot afford decent programming? enter the stage STV, and isn't Scotland kicking up a stink.
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24/09/2009 01:06:59
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livilion,

livingston 24/09/2009 01:08:46
30 danbob
No old sausage, since we invented the beautiful gemme and gave it to the world there has been no such thing as footba, only fitba.


FITBA' CRAZY

CHORUS: He's fitba crazy, he's gone clean mad,
Fitba's gone and robbed him o' the wee bit sense he had.
It would tak' a washer woman his claithes tae rub and scrub,
Since oor Jock became a member o' that terrible fitba' club.

1. The first match that he went to play I went to see masel',
They had two hauf bricks for goalposts,
And a tin can for the ba',
The Band of Hope was present and all they did was stare,
An' when Jock broke his wooden leg they didnae seem to care.

(CHORUS)

2. Aye he's fitba' crazy he's gone clean daft,
Since he started playing fitba' his heid has gone right saft,
For he willnae drink a whisky and he's never in the pub,
Since oor Jock became a member o' that terrible fitba' club.

Alex Campbell: 'Frae Glesca Toon' 1964
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 01:10:21
32, danbob,

Is kicking up a stink another wan ai yer words for Kickit.
32

danbob,

24/09/2009 01:12:39
35# Is kickit another word for fitba?
33

Fifi la Bonbon,

24/09/2009 01:12:53
It seems fairly plain to me that we would end up with a TV and radio system comparable to the Irish one if the nationalists succeeded in their goal of breaking up our country. The BBC would continue, but it would become a foreign broadcaster and we wouldn't be able to work for it, work with it, or influence it. We in Scotland would end up with TV and radio that was more crappy than it is even now and that would cost Scots more than now.

Radio 4 would presumably stop broadcasting on FM and DAB, so we'd have to listen online and on long wave when the cricket wasn't on. Nationalists probably don't listen to Radio 4, though. Too English for them.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/09/2009 01:14:08
The BBC has many faults but it is still one of the greatest broadcasting institutions in the world.
Mr Russell is another of those list hacks who has slithered into the cabinet, he now wishes to emulate Lord Reith.
35

danbob,

24/09/2009 01:15:38
34# You crack me up. That's song is also translated into english.
36

Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 01:16:20
37 FiFi La BonBon,

Where do you get the 'breaking up our country' from?

We are intending on running our own country instead of leaving it to others.

Can you not just get that into yer heid?

Spare us yer scaremongering and yer patronising mince.

Where did ye get that frae?

The BBC?
37

Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 01:17:42
39 danbob,

Whit, Football Silly?

Yer havin a larff, shoorly?
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Cynicus Unbound,

24/09/2009 01:17:59
"Currently, viewers in the Irish Republic are also able to access the BBC without charge, but The Scotsman understands that the BBC is unhappy with this arrangement and would seek to prevent viewers in an independent Scotland having similar free access."

Eh?


Residents of an Independent Ireland, whose existence ante0dates that of the BBC by 14 years, have never paid a pennt piexe to the BEEB -unlike Scots who have funded Auntie since her inception.

Yet the BEEB proposes to reward residents of an (hypothetically) independent Scotland by cutting them off while keeping Ireland tuned in. Where is the fairness here?
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J Logie Baird 24/09/2009 01:19:26
#25 danbob

Or when the BBC is showing the England v Moldova friendly match, Cricket, the Badminton horse trials and the Oxbridge boat race.

SBC can promote sporting events taking place in Scotland or show us something interesting from elsewhere in the world.

Instead of getting a handful of loose change from OUR licence fees and orders from the BB EBC.

They will get the lot and a free hand to cooperate with other broadcasters from around the world.

40

danbob,

24/09/2009 01:24:52
43# Didn't think it would be long before somebody wheeled out the "Scotlands being short changed" lie. SNP party spin doctor words to defend a dodgy policy and it's wearing thin.
41

Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 01:25:20
42, Cynicus,

The BEEB don't do fair.

They refuse to play self written songs by some of us, but DO play plagiarized versions.

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24/09/2009 01:30:00
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danbob,

24/09/2009 01:31:51
45# What songs have you wrote then?
44

Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 01:34:13
The sooner the BBC are exposed as partial the better.

But they've already been exposed, do they give a?

Do they heck,they are purveyors of total propaganda, promoters of their 'friends' and subliminal advertisers.
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24/09/2009 01:35:11
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 01:35:35
47 danbob,

Here are some but nowhere near them all.

www.otherworld.co.uk
47

Edward,

24/09/2009 01:38:08
'However, viewers could be forced to pay two licence fees if they wanted to continue to watch popular BBC programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing and EastEnders'
Absolute RUBBISH!
Maddox GROW UP!
Ive never before read such utter garbage from someone whopretends to be a journalist
Example 1. In the Current UK, Viewerspay a Licence to watch TV AND if they wish they Pay a subscription to SKY - Dont hear any complaints
Example 2.In some Independent Countries such a Norway, viewers have to pay some sort of fee to watch TV - no complaints either
In an Independent Scotland, life willbe as normal, the state broadcaster will be funded by a licence fee. Butin an Independent Scotland the money will remain in Scotland!
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Edward,

24/09/2009 01:42:49
NRK - The Norwegian State Broadcaster
Approximately 94 per cent of NRK’s income derives from the license fee which all TV owners required to pay. The Norwegian Parliament sets the licence fee annually. Seven per cent of NRK's income derives from programme sponsoring, advertisements and commercial revenue.

NRK Aktivum is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NRK which take hand of all the commercial activities in the corporation. Examples of NRK Aktivum’s activities are sales of programmes, spin-off products, book publishing and interactive activities. NRK Aktivum also sells sponsorship of broadcasts of sports and cultural events, and commercial advertisement on NRK’s Internet pages and teletext. The company’s profit is reinvested in public service activities in the parent company NRK, and represents some 6 % of NRK’s income.
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24/09/2009 01:45:39
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Edward,

24/09/2009 01:46:27
Television
NRK1 is the most popular TV channel in Norway. Its market share is about 30 %. The content offered by NRK1 is varied, and appeals to broad segments of the population.
NRK2 offers news, debate programmes, documentaries, analyses and cultural programmes.
NRK3 offers movies, humour, lifestyle and music for a younger audience. NRK3 was launched on 3 September 2007. NRK3 also hosts the children’s channel NRK Super. NRK Super was launched on 1 December 2007.
Radio
NRK P1
NRK P1 is Norway’s largest radio station, with more than one million listeners each day. Regional reports, news, current affairs, public service material and music continue to be the main ingredients in the recipe that makes P1 Norway’s first choice among radio listeners.
NRK P2
NRK P2 is a cultural radio station. Cultural material makes up most of the programmes offered, which consist of news, debate programmes, analyses and social commentary.
NRK P3
NRK P3 is mainly aimed at young people in the 15–30 age bracket. NRK P3 is a broad-spectrum radio station for young listeners between 0600 and 1800 hrs., and more of a cultural pop and rock station during the evenings and at night. P3’s main emphasis is on music, comedy/entertainment and news for a younger audience.
Other channels
NRK launched three new radio stations on 12 October 2006:
NRK Gull (Gold) is based on NRK’s abundant archives, dating back to the company’s first radio broadcasts over 70 years ago and continuing up to the present. Super Radio is available all day on DAB and the Internet, and addresses children. Its content consists of a mixture of new and old material presented by its own programme presenters. NRK 5.1 is aimed at a discerning public seeking a perfect listening experience. NRK 5.1 is the world’s first online radio channel to offer so-called multi-channel 5.1 sound.
NRK Gull, NRK Barn and NRK 5.1 are the latest additions to the special digital channels provided by NRK.
NRK Klassisk (Classical) plays classic
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livilion,

livingston 24/09/2009 01:47:05
51 Edward,
Mr Maddox seems to be labouring under the misaprehension that the licence fee is for program content, it is not.

The BBC licence fee is for the use of the reciever, otherwise it could be argued that satelite and cable tv viewers should be exempt from the licence fee if they did not access BBC material. They are not.
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Edward,

24/09/2009 01:49:50
Norway with a population the same size as Scotland, has its own state broadcaster - NRK, which is actually bigger than BBC Scotland
Perhaps the critics of a Indpendent Scotland with its own state broadcaster should start learning instead of sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting garbage!
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/09/2009 01:55:42
#42 Cynicus, I think you will find the Anglo Irish Treaty was 1921, the Irish Free State which followed from that treaty was founded December 1922 the BBC was founded October 1922.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

24/09/2009 01:57:26
#52 I've never seen any Norwegian telly. Is it any good? Do Norwegians like it?

You can see Norwegian telly listings on nettavisen.no - they have one mostly Norwegian channel plus BBC World News plus a set of others that mostly have Australsk dramaserie and Amerikansk komiserie. But even on the main channel, the primetime programme is a Britisk dokumentarserie.
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Gorach,

Oban 24/09/2009 01:59:40
Bring on the SBC and shows made by Scots for Scots.

Long overdue.

Why support a broadcaster that doesn't have respect for you?


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Fifi la Bonbon,

24/09/2009 02:03:07
#54 - look at the listings for last night's telly in Norway. That is what Norwegians actually get for their licence fee.
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 02:06:48
59 Gorach,

Exactly, that's why I got rid of my TV.

They have the monopoly over the license fee.
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Erik Blood Axe 24/09/2009 02:07:07
#58 Fifi la Bonbon

Britisk sarkastisk?

You ice on thinsk!

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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:08:46
#60 Fifi La Bonbon
Yes I have looked, they do get alarge selection on NRK
http://www.nrk.no/tv/
Which I notioce they get 'Tudors', 'Spooks' and Dawn Porter on NRK 3 on Thursday
They do get a wide selection and very good Sports coverage (was there a month ago and saw for myself and yes Norwegians are very happy with what they get)
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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:14:56
#60 fiFi la Bonbon
Norwgians also have non state broadcasters of TV2
TVNorge, TV3, TV1000, Viasat4 plus ppv and other suppliers
and just think all for a country that has a population the same size as Scotland!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

24/09/2009 02:16:51
#63 - they have to put up with Norwegian telly because they stay there, and no doubt they appreciate it when they get the crumbs off our table. But we're British, and we have the best telly in the world.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 02:20:03
63:-I n that case the Beeb must be getting paid twice to make these programs ... one from us and several times to licence the programs we paid for out .... where is our dividend !!???

The licence fee should be replaced with an option to subscribe to the BBC so it could no longer consider our money a guarantee that way it might become less vomit worthy PC and start delivering media that actually represented the country as opposed to the warped version is broadcasts right now,
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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:23:17
Its quite funny, you know Labour are spinning when both David Maddox in this paper and Angus McLeod in the Times have the same take and same story
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 02:24:25
55, livilion,

If the license fee is for the use of the receiver and they go onto building up a very large web presence with their website using the license fee and then remind us that we need a license to watch their WEB content, where does the license fee for that come into it if it is for a TV receiver and NOT possessing a computer?

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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 02:26:14
65 FiFi La Bon Bon,

We are NOT, repeat, NOT British.

Britain is England and Wales.
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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:29:16
#65
You really are clueless!
Norwegians are more than happy with the broadcasting on both TV and Radio.Ive seen it for myself!
One thing I alos noticed was that there wasnt much in the way of sat dishes hanging out very window
I also noticed that they didnt clamour for TV from England. Nor do they clamour for TV from Sweden or Denmark (which given your stupid comments, they could get if wanted)
You may be 'British' dear, but as for the 'best telly' in the world, forget it, your in cloud cuckoo land if you think that
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 02:30:41
Great Britain was invented to include Scotland as Britain (Britannia) does not include Scotland.

England and Wales = Britain

Scotland, England and Wales = Great Britain.

More obfuscation.
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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:33:09
It should be noted that the BBC funding will change, regardless of Scotland becoming Independent or not
There is a growing pressure,especailly from the Tories for the BBC to be part financed either through sponcership or advertising. The latest developement of 'Product Placement' on commercial TV is just a step towards further change
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 02:33:28
So it really should be the GBBC.

I would rather have a SBC as the BBC are anti-Scottish.
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24/09/2009 02:35:24
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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:38:16
#74 Vista
Grow Up!
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Cynicus Unbound,

24/09/2009 02:39:26
#57, Mercutio

My thanks for your hawk-eyed attention to detail and correction of my error.

My post,#42,should read,

"Residents of an Independent Ireland, whose existence ante-dates that of BBC TELEVISION BROADCASTS by 14 years...."

In my
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 02:41:52
You would think those who started the BBC would KNOW that Scotland was not British and the term Great Britain was invented to include Scotland.

Did they bother?

Are they bothered now?

Of course not.

Why should we pay a license fee to a foreign broadcaster?
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Cynicus Unbound,

24/09/2009 02:45:57
#76 CONTINUED,

In my earlier comment, I took for granted that the BBC was concerned with television broadcasts-which began in 1936, 14 years after the establishment of the IFS as you point out.
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Edward,

24/09/2009 02:53:27
more balanced report in the Herald
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/independence-pledge-to-broadcast-free-to-air-scottish-sporting-events-1.921751
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Vista,

24/09/2009 03:02:39
75. Edward,

Sounds like Salmond is growing too!
77

Vista,

24/09/2009 03:06:35
ALL YOU SNP SUPPORTERS ARE JUST SO INTENSE I AM SURPRISED THAT WE DO NOT HEAR THE TWANGING OF PERSONAL ELASTICS!!!
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Vista,

24/09/2009 03:19:29
I will concede that the BBC can be boring but Salmond, he bores where nobody has tried boring before!!!!!
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Vista,

24/09/2009 03:26:45
Claims he's searching for oil!!!
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Vista,

24/09/2009 03:29:28
Me and ma dug believe that. Salmond Forever!
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 24/09/2009 03:49:43
Lots of acid sarcasm tonight, or is it morning?
Must admit I did not read the full article. Salmond is only flying a kite, to see the reaction. And to counteract any misunderstandings? There is so much variety on TV nowadays it is no longer the same as in the past when we all watched one or two stations. Quantity not quality I'm afraid. But who am I to criticise, I'm just an old age pensioner of 65. It will be up to the young uns to make their own tv programmes, and we old foggies will just have to like it or lump it. Personally I now listen to more radio than tv. The dramas like Little Dorrit were excellent tho.
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Dougie Dougla,

24/09/2009 03:51:22
From the article:-

"In a populist move, he said Scotland's World Cup and European Championship football qualifiers could be shown free in an independent Scotland"

This is not a 'populist' move, this will be a normalisation - most countries get to see their football team play free of charge.

Of course we know that any move that normalises Scotland and allows any expression of Scottishnes is yet another example of the mad tartan tory socialist SNP picking fights with Westminister/The English/BBC/'The Government'/Whitehall.

Maddox - in 20 years time history students will laugh and squirm at your pathetic attempts to save the union. You are one sad individual.
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Graeme,

Guagzhou 24/09/2009 03:54:06
Unbelievable. You just couldn’t make it up. What a bunch of eejits. This is typical of the wooly incompetent thinking that goes on. I have to ignore a China state TV propaganda station just like the one Salmond is proposing! Can’t you blinkered SNP supporters see what is happening?
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Dougie Dougla,

24/09/2009 04:00:30
#85 When we are independent Scotland will simply be yet another market for the EBC to sell into, we will continue to enjoy high quality programming from them alongside our own quality productions. Of course we will have to pay - like everyone else, no problem there as far as I can see.

What disgusts me about the unionists and their puppets like Maddox is that they try to suggest that England and Scotland would be in a continual state of conflict. As a Scottish Nationalist I have many English friends, how dare they with their negative introspection try to sour our relationship.

Let me spell it out - we have no problem with the people of England - it's our very own unionists that we dislike - do you get it Maddox? - it's you - not them.

Lies and negativity - the stock and trade of the SCOTLAND HATERS.

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DOONUNNER,

Perth 24/09/2009 04:00:57
I think a separate TV service is the least of the issues for devolution.

What will the English do for a nuclear deterent? We'll have all of them at Faslane.

Seriously though, what is the position on defence?
Do we get a share of the UK arsenal and paint saltires as targets for the Yanks all over them?
Do we have a role in a UK armed forces?
Do we become a part of a United European forces (is Europe ready for this)?
Do we join forces with the Faroe Islands so we can at least also muster a decent football team?

Don't get me wrong I have been an advocate for independence but we can't even build a parliment building without it becoming a political and finacial disaster.
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Dougie Dougla,

24/09/2009 04:03:31
#87

LOL - ah! it's comparing a SBC to a state run communist TV channel today is it?

Just like communists today, tomorrow it will be likened to a Nazi propoganda channel.

Graeme from Gangzuo - a Scotland Hater.
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Vista,

24/09/2009 04:07:11
86. Dougie Douglas,

"This is not a 'populist' move, this will be a normalisation....."

Sorry, normal or normalisation are not adjectives that should be lightheartedly, or even worse - seriously, applied to Scotland!!!
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Dougie Dougla,

24/09/2009 04:09:27
#89

"
Don't get me wrong I have been an advocate for independence but we can't even build a parliment building without it becoming a political and finacial disaste"


No a labour administration could not do that. Answers on a postcard why this blew out please. Somewhat handy that a building of this significance blew out - what a perfect example of Scottish incompetence!!! - now which bunch of cynical SCOTLAND HATERS would that suit?

Murphy, Maddox and Graeme from Gangzuo would have had the champagne out over this one.

Doonunner - do you seriously think we could not build a parliament on time and on budget? - it was a stitch up.
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Dougie Dougla,

24/09/2009 04:12:36
#91

At present certainly not - agreed
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Royster,

24/09/2009 04:14:23
Another 'Dungeons and Dragons' fantasy document from the SNP. What a joke.
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Theologist,

Auckland 24/09/2009 04:17:22
#22 "TV is so utterly awful in NZ that people just have conversations with friends and neighbours instead."

On those rare occasions where we're not chatting friends and family we're probably watching BBC programs bought by TVNZ. Or watching the BBC World channel on Sky. Or BBC Natural History stuff etc etc Like it or not the BBC make some good TV.

Yes the local stuff is generally poor, but no worse (well, not much worse) than Taggart, the White Heather Club, or Scotland's latest attempt to qualify for ... well, anything.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 24/09/2009 04:25:03
Well Dougie, your certainly a balanced objectionable chap aren’t you? Great Britain depends on your continuing support of the SNP!
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Vista,

24/09/2009 04:32:29
I find that the scariest aspect of these columns is that the most vociferous proponents, (i.e. the regular foreign resident posters) of what is best for Scotland have all exited stage left in the past, to more lucrative, congenial and pleasant climes and regimes, rather than stay home and attempt to solve the problems.

Long distance nationalism I guess!
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 24/09/2009 04:53:14
# 8
Point it and go.......... Scotland HAS changed and you cannot stop the flow. Have a nice day..
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Observer,,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 05:16:54
98 points and it isn't even 6am. About the telly.

Have posters heard of bread and circuses? Substitute football and telly for the circuses and there you go.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 05:17:40
100 for people who don't watch much telly because they have better things to do with their minds.
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Canis Majoris,

24/09/2009 05:21:08
#8:
Today I will purchase a high-gain aerial, and point it south of the border, in the hope that this will save me from Mr Salmonds Visions of Televisions
-------------------------------------------

A high-gain aerial went out with the dinosaurs. Try satellite direct cable.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 05:25:11
Anyone who thinks that independence means losing Eastenders is a diddy. You can get the telly that you want in a digital age. All that Russell says it that the home page will be set to Scotland rather than Portland Place.

What's the big deal in that exactly?
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brizerwatt,

singapore 24/09/2009 05:53:43
24 hours a day of crappy antique based , home renovating , ballroom dancing ,camply presented, PC dross with the odd condescending nod in the direction of the proles and all produced by Old Etonian school chums. Who needs it ?
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Saul Tyre,

24/09/2009 05:59:22
'However, viewers could be forced to pay two licence fees if they wanted to continue to watch popular BBC programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing and EastEnders'.

Surely viewers should be paid for having to watch such typical BBC dross.
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Saul Tyre,

24/09/2009 06:01:39
Sad to see the Unionist 'we cannae dae it' brigade back in force this morning. Inferiority complexes can be treated Justin.
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Saul Tyre,

24/09/2009 06:04:19
Labour's culture spokeswoman Pauline McNeill described the idea of an SBC as "undoable".

Thank goodness Pauline McNeil isn't Labour's education spokeswoman. That would be their undoing.
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Saul Tyre,

24/09/2009 06:10:14
One thing we would miss would be that titanic battle between the planet's greatest athletes - the boat race. It's brilliant how Oxford and Camridge ALWAYS make it through to the final, somehow managing to avoid each other on the way. It's the year's sporting highlight, making the World Cup and the Olympic Games look like a friendly game of correspondence ludo. Well done the BBC!
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brizerwatt,

singapore 24/09/2009 06:12:41
If public service television/media is still deemed to be a real neccesity for an Independant Scotland it should use companies like HBO or Channel 4 as a model rather than the BBC dinosaur. An organisation which produces , sponsors and champions the making of high quality Radio & television programmes and home grown cinema. This is the model to follow not a BBC like format that was founded in the radio age. It should stick to producing quality and leave the production of dross to the BBC and its various ITV offshoots which will still be available on cable.
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XiaoShan,

China 24/09/2009 06:13:50
#97 Some of us are away teaching Gaelic to the world!

Bid iad ag' ionnsachach gu math luath an seo.

I gave up trying in Scotland; you're all so anti (see earlier posts). After 250 years of official repression from kirk and state you just want to kick it to death now. That or apathy.
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XiaoShan,

China 24/09/2009 06:15:21
Tha mi duilich
I can't type - should be Bidh iad...
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 24/09/2009 07:01:11
For "the Scotsman" understands, some might read it as "the Scotsman made it up"...;o)
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 07:08:12
Bored with fantasy football? Why not try the SNP's fantasy politics.......
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eric,

lothian 24/09/2009 07:10:19
Bad cable is better quality than the beeb why not.
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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 24/09/2009 07:11:23
Message to the BBC - Scotland is not a UK region.

All television programmes will be excellent in the Scottish socialist republic.
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Jimmy La Pie,

24/09/2009 07:16:47
Morning all,

Excellent idea.

Alex Salmond leading the way yet again!!
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Jimmy La Pie,

24/09/2009 07:18:43
Message to WU Merchant,

If you've nothing sensible to say, say nothing!
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Soosider,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 07:26:37
Another worthy idea from the SG, once again misrepresented by this paper.
Seems to me as if the Irish can do it then why cannot the Scots, if the Norwegians can do it why cannot the Scots. If the Dutch can do it why cannot the Scots.
Or are we saying that we are unable to organise our own broadcasting system?
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24/09/2009 07:26:46
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Phil C,

24/09/2009 07:27:21
Are unionists stupid? (Don't bother answering!)

Of course an independent Scotland will need it's own broadcaster. This isn't grandstanding, it's stating the bleedin' obvious!
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Phil C,

24/09/2009 07:42:31
The problem is that unionists have their heads so far up their own jacksies that they can see through their mouths.

They can't imagine the day that Scotland is independent, even though it's just round the proverbial corner, so can't see the need for discussing nationhood issues.
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Jason Patchett,

24/09/2009 07:44:22
Why can't Scotland have its own channel whether independent or not? Just seems to be more flag flying, glory for all sensationalism to me.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 07:44:40
119
Mr Proud,
"We get every England match anywhere, how much did BBC England pay for this?"
Are you sure that's absolutely true?
"Why is it that England involved in anything sporting is wall to wall"
That's not really true either, is it?
Are you the love child of a tryst between nutty nat Christine Grahame and barking mad nationalist 'writer' McGlashain off Absolutely?
Is post #119 actually a proposed script for a comedy on Nat TV?
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Scott W,

Berwick 24/09/2009 07:47:43
I see this paper as a statement of fact, and a clear outlining of SNP proposals for independence. This is one of many things that would need to be outlined. The SNP need to outline more, of what they propose to do if and/or when Scotland is independent. I believe that an Independent Scotland would be no different to say Norway or Denmark in Broadcasting or for that matter the Media in general.
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Phil C,

24/09/2009 07:49:41
#122 Jason

A channel!! We will need the SBC. That's all Alex is saying. Where's the problem? It's like saying Scotland can have it's own parliament (woop di doo!). That won't happen till we have independence.
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Colkitto,

River Clyde 24/09/2009 07:52:54
Good God I thought scaremongering dinosaur stories like this were a thing of the past. Next they will be trotting out the border controls at the border of Scotland an England.
So Scotland would have border controls even though no one else has them in Europe, and now Scottish viewers would have to pay 2 licience fees even although viewers who watch the BBC in Ireland and other countries in mainland Europe don't...Scotland is unique again hahahaha...
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Unimpressed one,

24/09/2009 07:54:27
SBC? No thanks.
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Nebulous,

Aberdeen 24/09/2009 07:59:34
Technically it would be pretty impossible to keep Scotland out, without giving everyone in England a digital box, possibly with an electronic card replaced every time you renew your licence.

The BBC commments about Scotland betray their anti-Scottish bias. They are happy for Ireland to see their programmmes and hundreds of thousands of ex-pats across Europe, but not us?

The BBC have promised and promised to do better by Scotland, with very little to show for it. I see this as a shot across the bows rather than a serious proposal at this point. However that could change if they don't!
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Trix,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 08:01:42
Sorry Mike, but what a load of Rubbish. The BBC produces the best programmes in the world, and apart from Rebus and Taggert STV produces rubbish. And if the channel is to show Scotland's football it won't be on for many hours cause we never get to a final.
Get Real, this is a total waste of space idea. What have the SNP done so far. Well we have scrapped fees, scrapped tolls, frozen tax, and we are now blaiming Westminister cause we have no money. Enjoy your time in office as it will soon be over.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 24/09/2009 08:05:22
#126. And the SBC will start playing the national anthem at the end of each day! Hellish funny!
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 24/09/2009 08:09:52
Why make the same mistake twice? From a narrow nationalist point of view this is a great idea as it gives them the same State Television predominance as the Brown Broadcasting Corp in Londonshire. Only this would be Salmond TV (STV?). Not a pretty thought.

And no doubt the same dumb tax would apply as as the moment. Any merit left in the BBC - there is some, but hard to find - would probably be lost due to transitters not relaying the signal, but of course there is the situation about cable TV - how would a BBC set of channels be paid for there if people still wanted to watch it? Some might say that a tax to avoid having to hear the self-important Jonaffan Woss could be a bonus though.

The remaining danger is that a purely SBC would be full of granny's singing dog and rubbish football and whales getting lost in the Clyde. Of course there could be some good output, but I'm not paying another tax for it!
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Ross,

Athens 24/09/2009 08:11:36
Another great and refreshing idea by the SNP.


No 11 from the Isle of Sky hits the nail on the head exactly.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 08:13:43
Mr Proud,

"you really are in denial if you can try to deny what I have said. It is fact"

You claimed:
"We get every England match anywhere, how much did BBC England pay for this?"

Is that a fact?

The BBC showed all of the England world cup qualifying campaign live?

You think think that do you?

Did the BBC broadcast the recent England V Australia cricket match like you claimed ("Why is it that England involved in anything sporting is wall to wall")?

Really?
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Apple 3.14,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 08:16:47
I actually see nothing wrong with the idea. When Scotland does become an independent country, we will need out own TV station.
Saying that we won’t be able to get BBC is simply scare mongering by ill-informed unionists. Ireland gets BBC and most parts of the Netherlands get BBC – all perfectly legally. If you’re going to have a debate, have one based on facts please.
Mind you, I’m not sure if being able to watch Scotland's World Cup football qualifiers is a big enough incentive.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 24/09/2009 08:17:50
#134. I just think it is so funny the way you boys take the P155 out of the SNP.!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 08:20:17
Bring it on as soon as possible if it provides an alternative to the biased unionist propaganda vomited over us on a daily basis by what laughingly describes itself as BBC Scotland.

Their news coverage this week has been a disgrace and it is high time compliants were made to the BBC Governors.

How can BBC Scotland justify the cost of sending the arch suuporter of unionism Glenn Campbell and a crew to NY to cover the UN.

What was their motive in sending them to NY if it wasn't to continue the attack on Megrahi's release.

What about the US government's frantic backpedalling regarding its disgraceful attacks on the release - hardly a mention.

The shot in last night's 6.30 bulletin showing Campbell walking almost hand-in-hand with Culpability Brown was quite revealing - a perfect illustration of the fact that BBC Scotland is just a tool of unionism.

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Ben Thehoose,

24/09/2009 08:20:27
Fat Eck goes from strength to strength! Our Dear Leader's wisdom, grace and beauty knows no bounds.

I forsee the SN Police jailing anyone with aerials pointing south or with satellite dishes.

Scotland will end up like North Korea!
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 08:23:54
This is an excellent idea in principle and is to be greatly welcomed.

A good example of the basis to build upon is the Gaelic language current affairs programme Eorpa (Europe) broadcast on a Thursday evening (BBC1 Scotland).

I have no doubt that some accommodation could be reached with the EBC with regard to their output, thereby keeping those who wish to watch Eastenders, Bargain Hunt and the Boat Race happy.

I am also intrigued to note the comments from those who claim that “British television is the best in the world”.

These comments appear to invariably emanate from cringing unionists whose hallmark is their complacent lack of aspiration and experience of life (including television) in other countries.

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fresian,

24/09/2009 08:26:02
Bring back "The Golden Cagoule", "The High Life" and "Prosbaig", and while your at it dump that"Happy Holidays" cr4p.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 08:26:22
Another crazy article by Mad Dog.

Key facts.. BBC will still be available on digital platform which 99% of Scottish households could access.

No one in Scotland would pay a BBC licence fee just as in Ireland at present.

Please do try to keep up to date with technology.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 08:26:53
139
Mr Proud,
I see. It is pedantic to point out that your 'facts' are in fact nothing of the sort.
Oh well......
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DialMforMurdoX,

24/09/2009 08:32:52
Nice to see our resident Unionist dribbling mentalists defending the current opiate of the masses.
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Graeme,

Guangzhou 24/09/2009 08:32:55
#140. Propaganda!! So the SMP raving loonies and rabid supporters (bit like you I fear) will have a full run of SBC ‘independent’ TV to ram down everyone’s throats their Bonnie Prince Charlie biscuit tin political outlook on the world. #141 is not far off the mark! I live in China and that’s how it works. Laughable if not so scary.
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voltaire's janny,

24/09/2009 08:32:59
After independence, Scotland will be able to sort this, as all with other issues, itself with full control and accountability.

It is of no interest to Scotland's broadcasters if the EBC programmes were to be receivable for free.

The Eeeb would, as would Westminster, have no say or control or right to demand fees from anyone receiving their broadcast. The corporation's assets do not automatically become English, having been paid for in proportion by Scots just as much as any other nation on these isles.

Either they would have to encode - and provide citizens of rump UK with decoders - or swallow their hubris and accept that, just as today with Netherlands, northern France, Denmark, Belgium, Luxembourg and even wee bits of Germany, much of Scotland would get the signal free.

As for the Highlands & Isles - well if they want it, it will be a marginal proportion of their Sky package anyway.

Having said all that I have no issue with cross border institutions after independence and a re-negotiated BBC is not anathema and might, (well it's possible), enable Englishry to see itsel' as ithers do for their own cultural enrichment.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 08:33:53
Note to some of the more hysterical posters - you'll still be able to watch the BBC. You could move to Ireland, Canada or Australia and still watch the BBC as it's widely available. And all these countries also have their own, generally rather rubbish, domestic TV stations.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 08:34:30
#145 - Just what of his facts are wrong?

Sat - 1 hour EPl and 1 Hr of Championship, BACK TO BACK.
Mon - 1 half hour of SPL, even then on a fews action from each match.


BBC raisies 9% of it funding in Scotland but only spends less than 6%. Even then programmes "produced" in Scotland are in fact only an empty office, they are filmed elsewhere, i.e. Film 2009.







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Tynietiger,

24/09/2009 08:34:41
The BBC is London centric and distorts the political reality in Scotland by discriminating against ALL indiginous Scottish political parties.

The BBC can find a reputed £40 millions a year to bring Formula 1 motor racing to our screens and are about to start broadcasting live English Championship football (the old second division) at an estimated cost of £45 million but cannot find any money whatsoever to bid for Scottish SPL football rights. Once again Scottish license fee payers are being short changed by the London centric BBC.
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TWC,

exLabour 24/09/2009 08:36:44
Auntie does appear to be ante SNP, though not as bad as mad dog so it is only fair that the SNP is ante BBC.


I just go on Sky to BBC London for those programmes they cut off.
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Made_In _Leith,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 08:37:51
What no more Celebrity Come Cooking?

Independence for me!!!
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 08:38:58
150
"Just what of his facts are wrong?"
That the BBC show every England game for a start.

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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 08:40:10
152
"I just go on Sky to BBC London for those programmes they cut off."
Not without paying a licence fee you won't.
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 24/09/2009 08:41:25
Great, wall to wall River City, Beechgrove Garden and Shinty - where do I sign up!
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 08:43:19
#155 You don't pay a licence fee to watch the BBC on a digital channel unless you are in the UK - which Scotland would not be after independence!

Do people in other countries around the world tune in to BBC programmes? Yes. Do they pay a license fee? No.

In any case, I see the BBC license fee model changing and adapting to the digital age. For starters, if they've any sense they'll start charging people abroad a small subscription fee for access to iPlayer content - would be a nice little earner.
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 24/09/2009 08:43:51
#151. You want to try watching the programming in the BBC regions down south, then you might actually appreciate just how big a percentage of the licence fee is spent in Scotland.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 08:45:55
Anyhow, we'd probably be able to pick up BBC programs for free by twiddling the dial, just as you can tune in to other countries' neighbouring TV and radio shows abroad.

Or am I mistaken and there will be some way to block the signal north of the border?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 08:46:00
155 Grahamski

The concept of paying a BBC licence fee under the circumstances outlined in the article is palpable drivel.

The BBC would have no legal right to enforce such a fee in an independent Scotland therefore making it redundant.
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Ggordon,

24/09/2009 08:47:25


Not called the State broadcaster for nothing

Notice, Glen Campbell holding hands with his new best friend, troughter Brown. No bias there then

Globe Trotters Inc, as usual paid for by taxpayers money
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Navvy,

24/09/2009 08:47:39
I wonder what Lord Reith of the Reith Lectures would have said

John Charles Walsham Reith, 1st Baron Reith, KT, GCVO, GBE, CB, TD, PC (20 July 1889 – 16 June 1971) was a Scottish broadcasting executive who established the tradition of independent public service broadcasting in the United Kingdom. In 1922 he was employed by the commercial monopoly registered as the British Broadcasting Company Ltd. as its General Manager; in 1923 he became its Managing Director and in 1927 he was employed as the Director-General of the British Broadcasting Corporation created under a Royal Charter. His concept of broadcasting as a way of educating the masses marked for a long time the BBC and similar organizations around the world.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 08:48:22
#158 I lived down south. Through watching TV and reading the papers I had NO IDEA what was happening just a hundred miles or so up the road in Scotland. There was literally NO coverage on so-called "National" programmes. It was quite disconcerting. I had to phone home to find out what was going on.

I knew more about what was happening in America than in Scotland, and that kind of explains why the English (the ones who don't bother visiting) are in general so ignorant of our country.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 08:52:35
Further to my point about the English being so ignorant of Scotland due to the lack of coverage down south, that's why most of them really don't care whether or not we become independent. Sure, they'll read about it and comment on it but after it happens we will get even less coverage down there than we do now - they will literally forget about us.

The ones who won't will be the ones who know what a great country Scotland is to visit - right on their doorstep too. And the coverage we'll get worldwide could actually generate a massive tourism boom.

Sadly the fact that the English will forget about us upsets Unionists in Scotland who like to think we're somehow important to them and they're important to us. They're afraid of being ignored.
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Phil C,

24/09/2009 08:55:45
The BBC is like the NHS. They are held up in the UK as bastions of their genre, as sacred cows. In truth they are very flawed and outdated. They are both good but need some serious modernising and streamlining. Scotland could modernise both.

The BBC buys in much of it's offering. The SBC could easily do the same, together with producing our own stuff, even in Gaelic if we really must!

It's typical of Scottish unionists to belittle their own country. "We can't do that" you whine. In reality we can and we will.
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jdships,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 08:56:48
You couldn't make it up !
We are in the middle of the worst recession in living memory with thousands of Scot's out of work and many others with an uncertain future and the
"Fat Controller " et al come up with another hair brained idea.
Spend ten minutes in Mr Russel's company and you will realise he doesn't even know "Culture" begins with a "C"
Pathetic comes to mind
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 08:58:41
#167 But what about all the jobs this would undoubtably create? Hair-brained idea? It's an idea for god's sake and not a bad one, given that countries much smaller than us make their own telly.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 08:59:20
On general point of the "quality" of UK TV now.

There was more variety when we had four channels than we have now with 500 odd. As a colleague of mine once said, "I didn't know how little I knew about Nazis and sharks until I got cable."

HBO and Showtime in the US show progammes that are of a far higher quality than anything we have here.








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The penguin too,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 09:00:14
This guy Salmond is supposed to be an economist. Does he not realise that a small nation like Scotland cannot afford all these grandoise ideas he keeps coming up with?
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jane shore,

london 24/09/2009 09:01:39

These posts seem to be at a crossed arguement here. Comments regarding what rubbish & London centric (have any of you had the pleasure of watching the London local news slot after the main BBC news?.....its cr*p, far worst than Scotlands piece) BBC programmmes are. Other posters are saying it wont matter anyway because like Ireland etc. Scotland will still receive the BBC (EBC?)...make up your minds then.

BBC at its best last night....programme about treatment of injured soldiers from Afghanistan. Inspirational.

A rubbish article!
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 09:01:58
In the digital age, it is going to happen anyway.

However, quality broadcasting is another thing?

Viewers in most European countries receive Sky but the take-up compared to the UK is much less because,
on the continent, the French, and Germans for instance, prefer to watch their own State/commercial broadcasters.

The French are highly protective of their language
through broadcasting. French programmes are watched by French speakers in Belgium and Switzerland.

German TV is watched by viewers in some parts of Denmark, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and of course Austria.

A similar situation to this exists in BBC and ITV's TV and radio broadcasting which has always been received by some viewers and listeners on the east coast of the Republic of Ireland. Digital BBC and ITV is now received all over Southern Ireland.

The Scandinavians produce and sell their radio and television broadcasting to each other. Likewise, in Spain and Portugal, especially sports programmes


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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 09:03:47
170 The penguin too

You cannot be for real.
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grahaminengland,

24/09/2009 09:06:10
Won't exiled Scots in England be thrilled that Scotland's soccer matches would no longer be available south of the border - unless, of course, SBC pays Sky to use its satellite. Even then, to protect SBC, a subscription and pin numbers would be needed for non-Scotland viewers to see its programme.
And what about ITV? The best programmes are nolonger shown in Scotland because STV can't afford them. One way around this is for satellite channels ITV2, ITV3, and ITV4 to make available The Bill, Midsomer Murders etc which are broadcast first on ITV1 to repeat top programmes immediately. STV's revenue would plunge, but there would be little sympathy for the broadcaster from majority of Scottish people not Anglophobic.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:10:22
#171 Well there are a couple of big issues here which is why there are different comments on both:

1. Is the BBC overwhelmingly England-centric? Yes (but that's not to say there's no good general programmes - there are lots)
2. Will people in Scotland still be able to get the BBC and watch the good stuff? Yes, given that people in ireland and elsewhere can.
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SlyFifer,

Somewhere South of Fife 24/09/2009 09:10:31
It comes as no surprise that the SNP/Salmond display horizontal thinking when it comes to the role of broadcasters in an independent Scotland. Same old, same old.
For a new and fresh approach to this subjust the SDA, scottishdemocraticalliance.org newly launched favour total deregulation of broadcasting and the abandonment of the license fee/tax in Scotland. The SDA do not see the role of government in broadcasting other than the licensing of channels and the bandwidth they occupy. If the BBC would be miffed at loosing it's fee's from Scotland then they could always offer their output in an encrypted form for those who might wish of free will to subscribe. Or, they could simply do as is done in Ireland, the Netherlands, France, Belgium and parts of Germany, watch for free.
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grahaminengland,

24/09/2009 09:11:35
One other thought: you can watch and listen to the BBC on-line and receive I-player downloads for top programmes? This could not be blocked north of the border, so what's all the fuss about?
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 09:12:08
#174 - I can't belive you used "best programmes" and "The Bill, Midsomer Murders " in the statement.

The Bills share of the audience in Scotland was tiny and STV thought it wasn't worth the money to broadcast it.
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Soosider,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 09:18:36
Another day another scare story.
It is obvious to anyone who lifts their head and looks around that every country in Europe has devised ways to address their television and media requirements. Some already quoted such as Ireland, Nederlands and and Norway do it rather well, why would any sensible person think that Scotland was incapable of doing likewise?
This story basically boils down to Vote SNP and you want be able to watch Eastenders, is this the level of discussion and debate we are reduced to when there are so many important issues to be addressed, issues like rising unemployment, global warming, illegal wars etc etc
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Laird O'Gorgie,

Ballinluig 24/09/2009 09:19:48
Amazing how detached the SNP are from reality. Words like "Digital Age" getting wafted about.
The reality is in most of the Highlands you can't get broadband. In Swinney's constituency, freeview is not available in most towns and broadband services outisde Perth and a few other large towns are non existent.
3G services are limited to a few Cities in Scotland.
Maybe if Swinney and Salmond took a hard look round they would see how preposterous their words actually are.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:20:07
#172 "The Scandinavians produce and sell their radio and television broadcasting to each other. "

This is a good point. A "SBC" not only creates programmes for the domestic market but television is an industry, meaning content can also be sold for a profit. For example, we could serialise books by some of the many excellent crime writers coming out of Scotland right now - and sell them to Canada, the US, England, Scandinavia and elsewhere. Just like Sweden have done with the Wallander novels.
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jane shore,

london 24/09/2009 09:22:32

makesmehappy @ 175. With an English population of something like 12 to 1 with Scotland, I quess it is inevitable that the BBC would be slanted towards England.

There are some first rate Scots. actors & presenters in the BBC. David Tennant has complained that he auditioned numerous times for Taggart but never received any opportunity. BBC snapped him up.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:23:22
#180 Everything is going digital whether Scotland becomes independent or not - it's nothing to do with the SNP.

It just takes longer to get to the remote regions, but then if you choose to live in a remote region, you kind of have to accept certain things like that.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 09:24:49
180 Laird O'Gorgie,

We had better retain the current system then as it serves the country so well.
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Soosider,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 09:25:55
#180 Laird O'Gorgie
You make valid points about the coverage of Freeview, Satellite and 3G, however you do not follow your thinking through and ask why it is that way, is it because the SNP SG wish to discuss broadcasting options or is it because successive UK governments have ignored the requirements of Rural Scotland
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:27:13
#182 "ith an English population of something like 12 to 1 with Scotland, I quess it is inevitable that the BBC would be slanted towards England."

Then it's inevitable that Scots would like to have more control of the coverage their country gets, especially as we don't pay 1/12th of the license fee. Of course there are Scots in the BBC (it was a Scot who started it!). Scottish actors don't have to work in Scotland - they can still work in America or England or wherever. Just like all the UK actors in Hollywood do. Canadians and Australians work as newsreaders and presenters in America, English people work as reporters and presenters in Scotland. None of that will change.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 09:31:54
180 Laird O'Gorgie


I note the improvements being made to the Ballinluig junction of the A9.

It’s just a pity that we had to wait until we had a SNP administration before this work has been carried out at the former accident blackspot.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 09:32:38
Salmond has totally lost the plot! What a parochial little man he truly is, full of his own perceived importance.
It's one thing trying to ensure that the Scottish news is being told from a Scottish perspective but his idea will have the 'SBC' full of adverts and, if the quality of programmes STV are showing us (generally) because they won't pay for ITV ones are anything to go by we'd be as well chucking the telly in the bucket!
P.S. I also don't speak Gaelic and I can't stand football.
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Class On Grass,

Observ a tory 24/09/2009 09:32:55

We should see the weather from a better perspective. The North of Scotland (Shetland) is but a pixel now.
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jane shore,

london 24/09/2009 09:35:35

186

Well I wish you well, with your 1/12th of the licence fee.

I realize Scots media stars can work where ever, but I hope they will have lots of opportunities within your new Scottish Broadcasting Company.
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 24/09/2009 09:36:25
I was puzzled to see on TV a number of scottish BBC reporters in New York for the UN meeting this week. As far as I am aware, Scotland has as yet no direct representation at the UN.

So why the hell are so many BBC Scotland reporters there - replicating their english colleagues at our expense?
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Laird O'Gorgie,

24/09/2009 09:37:42
#183 Brilliant - so we should all go and live in housing schemes in the Central belt.
So thats the way forward, another Highland Clearance.

#187 Is that the sum of the SNP's success in the Highlands. Incidentally the Ballinluig development was not planned by the SNP. In fact they gave up completely on the A9 upgrading.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:38:43
#188 How is it parochial to give people more choice of what they want to watch?

Could people just ignore the Unionist scaremongerers and liars and get it into their heads that very little will change after independence in terms of our day-to-day lives - especially when it comes to television! We'll still have BBC, Sky, "SBC", Freeview, digital radio and the Internet for goodness sake.

What will change in general is that we'll have more power to make changes to improve the lives of the 5m people in Scotland, rather than waiting for permission from the central UK government - whose main priority is the 60m people in England.

I just don't get why some people can't understand this.
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Jimmy La Pie,

24/09/2009 09:38:52
More drivel from Maddox.

I thought the Hootsmon, The Herald Group and DC Thompson were setting up a TV station to grab some BBC money and to continue their pro New Labour Sleaze reporting???

Maddox presenting Scottish Question Time???

Now there is a thought!!
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Class On Grass,

Observ a tory 24/09/2009 09:38:53

.. a rain-swept, wind-scoured pixel.
- And the SFA state we must compensate on their Sky deals. Eh? These would be terminated, as the SFA itself should be. The SFA, encompassing all footy, should comprise 3 old codgers (Tam Cowan, Jim MacLean, Charlie Nick) working from an allotment shed. They could do no worse...
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Jimmy La Pie,

24/09/2009 09:41:49
#180 Laird,

Here in Orkney we've over 90% broadband coverage, Freeview about the same and Satellite.

Thanks for that Alex ;-)
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:42:23
#192 Um no, but Scotland is not the only country with remote regions that have poorer coverage. It's a geographical thing, not an SNP thing. Having said that. countries in Scandianavia - you know, the independent ones - have excellent coverage and some of the highest rates of Internet connectivity in the world.

In fact, in stats I've seen Iceland and Norway were top in the world. So maybe an independent Scotland could follow their lead? RIght now we're held back by the UK.
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Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 24/09/2009 09:42:46
We cannae dae it! Wur too wee! The Irish ur better than us! sniffle sniffle

C'mon, my Quisling cousins, get off your knees and grow a spine!
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Gerry,

Galway 24/09/2009 09:50:28
I wouldn't worry too much about the chances of the proposed SBC being successful. Here in the Irish Republic we have had the privilege of receiving the BBC since its inception. This has had the effect of keeping RTÉ on its toes. It must battle every day with blanket BBC availibility and nearly always wins the ratings war.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 09:50:31
#193 makesmehappy
"How is it parochial to give people more choice of what they want to watch?"

A choice? Gaelic and football? Or hey... maybe even Gaelic football!
I think it would be great if Scottish people were given a chance, Scottish writers, producers et al, but I'd rather watch quality television (which is a struggle, even now!) no matter WHO is producing it.
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redColin,

Argyll 24/09/2009 09:53:06
Oh Gawd!
Michael Russell you were better at interferring in the lives of Crofters than you obviously are in interferring in our viewing of Eastenders! Twa licences? not likely.
Even the fact that Scots do tend to play second fiddle to the English BBC, doesn't make the paying of two tv licences go down any easier...............Dump the Telly!
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letmein,

Paisley 24/09/2009 09:53:47
What a great idea. The bbc give Scotland 2.5% of what they pay in their licence fee. This is a breath of fresh air. Anyone who wants to watch eastbenders should pay extra anyway, what a load of cockney tosh. BBc give us england friendlies on a Satuday night at prime time. Bye bye bbc.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 09:53:50
#200 No, that would be Gaelic and football in addition to one of the many other channels I mentioned.

This is the point - you would still be able to watch everything you currently watch. See #199.

By the way, you have a very low opinion of your fellow Scots if that's all you think we're capable of generating through our own television industry!
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jdships,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 09:56:01
168 makesmehappy

SNP supporters are to be admired for their regular attempts at defending the indefensible
The problem we require jobs in 2009 not in 20?? .
Anyway new jobs created would be minimal as the majority of present BBC Scotland staff would want to work for what will most certainly become the new "Strathclyde Broadcasting Company"..

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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 09:59:40
200 JG,

What makes you think that the proposed SBC would concentrate upon Gaelic and football?

No doubt that these subjects would receive some attention, as would current affairs, sport in general, dramas, comedy, other light entertainment and documentaries.

Do not fall into the trap of simply accepting the spin applied to any particular issue by the Hootsmon.

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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 10:00:21
I'm telling you - another benefit of independence will be that we can all stop banging on about it during work hours. Scotland will enjoy a massive increase in productivity!
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 10:02:28
#204 No, we need jobs in 2009 AND in 20??.

I happened to live abroad for a while in a city that became a major production centre. It can be very good for the economy. London certainly benefits from it right now.
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sonofhamish,

edinburgh 24/09/2009 10:02:40
What a joke. This would be awful TV on a par with some third world countries, I think it would fail a few years after launch since there would be a limited take up of licenses.

It would end being a 24x7 party political broadcast for the SNP as well.

Salmon is a joke.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 10:07:21
#203 makesmehappy
"By the way, you have a very low opinion of your fellow Scots if that's all you think we're capable of generating through our own television industry"

No, I don't (see what I said about Scottish writers etc), but that's the usual retort from Salond supporters. And we don't actually HAVE a televison industry. How much do you think it would cost to set up such a thing? How much money for programme production would we have left after all of the Scottish BC admin posts were filled? And if this is just another channel to add to all of the others available, how many people will willingly subscribe to it.
I think Salmond needs to seek help to cure all of these 'visions' he's having and try to get a grip on reality.
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Ben Thehoose,

24/09/2009 10:09:10
Of course we can do it!

Alex will become Alexandrina (Ina to his/her special chums), wear a low front frock to show off his/her man-boobs; smile toothily and winsomely, and read the news. Headlines? SNP scientists solve the mystery of the universe, under the wise guidance of our dear leader. Tomorrow? The anti gravity machine.
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 10:09:55
The unionists in automated whining anti-nat mode as usual I see.

On the surface this plan seems visionary. I'm not so sure about the advertising part of it though. I'm sick of corporate interests being allowed to permeate every aspect of the lives of families. The home should be sacrosanct.

Creative media is definately an area of the economy that Scotland should focus on economically. Especially Glasgow where creativity is a, if not 'the', key human factor in the what the people have to offer.

Seeing this move soley from the point of view of the Scottish consumer is pretty naive.

We really should plan for a future where people desire to rise above the dumming down propaganda-laden, corporate keech like East Enders anyway. TV consumption has been shown to cause mental health problems and disfunctionality at individual, family and societal level. The new Scotland should conduct a war against junk. Junk politics, junk economics, junk food, junk education, junk music and junk media ala Ukania/US.

Edward Bernays, nephew of Freud, created propaganda and junk culture. People actually believe that if you 'buy now, save 50 pounds' - how can you save by spending? And you wonder why the UK is now drowning in debt. JUNK everything and we have to rout it out.

The last thing we need is to replace junk UK for junk Scotland.

SFA? What have the SFA done with the money anyway? Ruined a good stadium, spent money on mediocracy and ruined Scottish football. Their product is Junk.

We can make money in Scotland by producing high-quality media products. With an economic nightmare ahead of us people are going to have to learn the value of money. Let's not buy or produce more junk.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 10:10:05
#208 Don't watch it then!

Anyhow, after voting Labour most of my life, the SNP have my vote for the forseeable future and I certainly favour sharing an independent Scotand with the positive, forward-looking SNP posters on here rather than sharing the UK with the negative, quivering, doom-and-gloom unionist posters.

We are getting a Tory UK govt and you can be sure that they will not be working all hours to make Scotland a better place and bring jobs here - unlike a Scottish government would. They'll be looking after their electorate in England first and foremost to make sure they stay in power.

Quite how some people on here think this will be good for Scotland is beyond me.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 10:14:40
#205 Bully Wee
"What makes you think that the proposed SBC would concentrate upon Gaelic and football?"

Because that was the two main subjects mentioned in the article above!

Do not fall into the trap of simply accepting the spin applied to any particular issue by a politician!
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paulr,

edinburgh 24/09/2009 10:15:00
It is bad enough being forced to pay the bbc a license fee so they can pay huge salaries to prats like jonathon ross, but to be forced to pay a second fee for a scottish version of the BBC.
That may well be the one that decides i will NOT vote SNP.
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pwd,

Borders 24/09/2009 10:21:26
# 164

I live in the Borders and I have no idea via the TV or newspapers what's going in Cornwall or North Wales or good many other parts of the UK. I actually have to phone friends to find out. However, they, like the Borders, are well enough served by local media.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 10:21:34
Wow - so you would actually decide who to vote for according to what you might or might not be able to watch on telly while eating your tea!

Forget illegal wars, climate change and economic meltdowns - it's all about Jonathon Ross!
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jdships,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 10:25:52
makesmehappy,

Surely the priority is to provide jobs in 2009 rather than "perhaps /never"

TV in every major City in the world I have worked in gets revenue/job spin off from the fact it is a major city.

SNP has to learn " you can fool some of the people some of the time etc" quickly .
I did not vote SNP but given the democratic process was quite happy to give Salmond/SNP a term in office to prove he was the right man/party for the job.
As of September 2009 the jury's very much "still out" for me !
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Peter20,

24/09/2009 10:28:26
I would never have believed such a general article about a completely hypothetical situation could have produced so much comment. Personally I think the BBC is great and its certainly well respected around the world, apart from one or two on this thread of course. Don't think the idea of Salmond's is too radical however - we'd end up still being able to watch the BBC should we choose and have our own TV channel as well.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 10:30:14
213 JG,

It appears to have escaped your notice that the journo behind this article has a particular agenda to pursue and habitually applies an anti-SNP spin to all his offerings.

All articles from this source should therefore be treated with an element of suspicion and cynicism.

Have a look at the content of the comments of those who oppose the idea of a SBC and you will see that they come from those who oppose the SNP and the concept of independence in general.
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Thomas79,

Ayrshire 24/09/2009 10:30:27
Surely the BBC Scotland studios in Glasgow with all their staff would be the starting point for the new scottish station. We could simply expand it and still pay the BBC for prime-time shows.

We could also beef-up STV and again buy ITV prime-time shows.

BBC Scotland could be re-named but in essense be the same thing, although with more money and resources.





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Publius,

London 24/09/2009 10:37:26
What a waste of paper. More proof that the SNP can't think outside the box (TV box). Two reasons:
Television in its present form is on the way out. TV, Internet, landline phones and other media are all converging. Dongles are brilliant (still a bit expensive, but gettig cheaper all the time). They'll solve the broadband problem for everywhere that mobile phones work. Satellite transmission will take care of the rest.
In the future there'll be no place for state quasi-monopolies financed by licence fees. Collecting licence fees is an absurd waste of money. Across the UK several millions escape paying altogether, while the license fee people persecute elderly eccentrics who don't have a TV and single mums who can't afford to shell out £140. (far more people have been jailed for not paying fines for not having a TV licence than were ever jailed for not paying the poll tax.)
In the very unlikely event of independence, you can be sure that this paper will never be resurrected.
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 24/09/2009 10:42:52
Ben Thehoose,24/09/2009 10:09:10

You should stick with making up your own version of history.

Now that IS funny.

My favourite is your claim that the French smoke Gauloise because they came from Shetland.


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Marga,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 10:44:33
140 - Gus 1940
Your theory about the BBC putting resources into taking the anti-Megrahi/anti Scottish Government slant beyond UK boundaries is confirmed by the BBC World Service's recent coverage of the release of the Megrahi papers - it felt as if they were commenting on the government of a hostile state instead of a constituent part of the UK.

We in Scotland are paying for this international anti-Scottish Government propaganda, but in this case most of us don't even see it.
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Jason Patchett,

24/09/2009 10:50:05
Bring back Take the High road!
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Marga,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 10:51:39
Publius London -
Well seen you're in London - "More proof that the SNP can't think outside the box" - if by dongles you mean USB modems, they certainly don't have mobile-phone type coverage and most of Scotland can't use them - from the Fife coast right opposite Edinburgh the signal is too weak, never mind less populated and more isolated areas.

Give the Scottish Government media powers and they'd certainly get out of the London-centric box.
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voltaire's janny,

24/09/2009 10:51:59
The town of Helensburgh has tabled an intellectual property lawsuit before the House of Lords against the BBC for infringing patents bequeathed to the birthplace of Logie Baird and exploietd by the corporation for gain since the early thirties.

Estimates of the damages and interest approach a sum equivalent to £200 a year annuity for every household in Scotland which the select commitee on broadcasting and perquisites intends to pay by exemption in perpetuity for Scots from any levy, fee or debenture on any form of electromagnetic transmission except River City, with any shortfall being made up by taxing Morris Dancer clubs and equipment.
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sonofhamish,

edinburgh 24/09/2009 10:52:26
#224, more SNP delusion. You obviously never saw at least TWO seperate surveys that showed a more than 70% of Scots opposed to Megrahi release.

Once again I am amazed how widespread you Nats think support for your policies are, when the reality shows the complete opposite.
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 10:54:49
What about a model whereby consumers determine the programming. Strip out the junk costs from the system. This model would work nicely with the idea of selling programmes into the international market place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNbhRPuobjU

The Scottish government should be brave enough to evolve this idea.
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Front Street,

Relugas Road 24/09/2009 10:59:47
Someone take these SNP nutcases away before I'm forced
to buy a 100ft Aeriel mast to receive BBC and ITV
TV signals from across the border.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 11:00:17
#227 Nice one.

It is funny though that unionists think we're incapable of producing good television programmes ourselves - completely ignoring the fact that a Scot invented the bloody thing! And started the BBC!
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Orbital,

24/09/2009 11:00:21
This is the most stupid thing Ive ever heard.
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TWC,

exLabour 24/09/2009 11:00:54
215 pwd,

If you want to know what is going on in Cornwall go 900 channels on Sky and look them up.

That's what you do if you live in Cornwall and want to see what's happening in the borders.

This is a nothing story,I like some BBC programmes and if Scotland ran it's own I'd like some of them.
I'd have the choice and I'm sure I'd have ONE license to pay which ever way it went.

One thing I would like was a less biased political reporting instead of Nu Labours attack of the day on their chosen target.

perhaps the Libs wouldn't be ignored and the Nats& Tories wouldn'b under the headline "XXXX Accused"

That is what we get today and everyday.
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Orbital,

24/09/2009 11:02:45
Salmon would be like Hugo Chavez and have a channel with just him giving memorable speeches.
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Idi Amin,

24/09/2009 11:03:44
We could easy export overseas. That's what channels do. A Balamory (top export) type of thing would bring in some nice dosh alone. Plus marketing spin-offs (DVDs, toys). Or other new kids shows. Big earners. Even Scottish sports could be exported into those weekly magazine shows (Trans World) to overseas sports channels. The entire creative media can bring in plenty jobs and dosh. We can do this.
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 11:04:33
228 sonofhamish,


YouGov poll

Fieldwork: 1st - 2nd September 2009

Do you think the Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill was right or wrong to release Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds?

Right 45%
Wrong 45%
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 11:06:10
#219 Bully Wee
I really couldn't give a rat's bottom about who's reported what and what their politics are. Salmond wants to create an 'SBC' at the public's expense (that means me!) and I want to get value for money. I'm all for promoting Scottish interests and pushing Scottish talent, but that doesn't mean because someone is English or Welsh their ideas or programmes don't have the ability to be better than that of someone from Scotland.
I have no political agenda (I don't like ANY of them!) - I just want to watch something decent on the telly!
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The North East Beast,

24/09/2009 11:06:23
Excellent idea.

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Gorgie Anthony,

24/09/2009 11:08:27
No Match of the Day!!!! Argggghhh!!!

'In a populist move, he said Scotland's World Cup and European Championship football qualifiers could be shown free in an independent Scotland. There would also be a beefed-up Gaelic television service.'

Suicide rates will go through the roof.

The telly will be as rotten as this paper.


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Gorgie Anthony,

24/09/2009 11:09:48
If we are an independent nation, I don't want to be shelling out for a TV licence anymore.
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Yeah1,

24/09/2009 11:10:45
If an SBC ever does come into being I certainly won't pay a penny towards it.

I would much rather continue to pay a licence fee to the BBC and watch quality programing than watch the rubbish SBC would churn out, with its tiny budget and insular, parochial outlook.

As for getting Scotland's games that is quite clearly a ridiculous dream and no doubt would turn out to be another of the SNP's broken promises designed to get more voters.

Scotland's football matches cost Sky £60m - where on earth would the SBC come up with that sort of money from an annual budget of £300m?

As for 'beefing up' gaelic there is already far too much time and money devoted to that minority language as it is. Only 1.1% of the population speak gaelic - why on earth should they received a proportionally far higher percentage in terms of money and time than the rest of us?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 11:10:51
231 Front Street,

A freeview ariel would be neater and cheaper.

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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 11:13:13
#240 People in Ireland watch Match of the Day - for free!
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Yeah1,

24/09/2009 11:14:49
#236

"We could easy export overseas. That's what channels do."

Yes I'm sure there is considerable demand overseas for quality Scottish programs such as River Sh*tty and football highlights of the quality, top class SPL.
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Gorgie Anthony,

24/09/2009 11:18:08
#244 - I've already slit one of my wrists! I'll head for A&E. Thanks for the info.
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Pa broon,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 11:22:25
What a lot of B*****ks! We don't need a Scottish state run television station any more than we need a British one. If its one thing the people are learning recently, its that anything state run costs a fortune and rarely proves to be value for money. Look at the Trams in Edinburgh and look at the parliament building in Scotland. Prime examples of poor management and costs that went out of control. Lets put money into worth while projects, not into some grandiose scheme that we don't need. This is just more grandstanding by an administration thats no better than the last one!
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 11:22:33
#245 For a country as rich in writing, acting, film-making and broadcasting talent as Scotland currently is, I think we'd produce some good stuff.

The BBC is full of talented Scots who had no option but to head to London to get their careers going. With a Scottish television industry, these people will have a choice of staying in Scotland or heading to London. Some will still head off to London or abroad. Others will stay.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 11:26:17
#238 - "I have no political agenda (I don't like ANY of them!) "

If thats not a political agenda then I don't know what is...

The article is tosh, and the comments from yeah1 etc are even more tosh.

We can't make good TV??? Did Scotland produce Big Brother, the Bill, Loose Women, Jeremy Kyle (by far the worst tv programme on in the UK). No we f'n well didn't.


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Ben Thehoose,

24/09/2009 11:26:42
Well now! A good evening to all. Here is the news about how the day's been in Bonny Alba.

First the world headlines. Our Dear Leader President for Life and well beyond Alex has a wee cold. Doctors have prescribed a wee dram. Our National Helmsman fully expects to be back serving us all the morn's morn, beginning wi' his usual swim across the Forth at President-for-Life's Ferry.

Next item: a wee doggie has been lost for nearly ten minutes in Sauchiehall Street. Polis leave has been cancelled until the wee soul is recovered to his mamie (to be continued ad nauseam and ad infinitum).
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 11:29:40
#247 - Its POOR MANAGEMENT, absolutly nothing to do with being "state run".

Look at FOX NEWS if you want a good example of how the free market does it. it is so far right of the spectrum it is barely visible.

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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 24/09/2009 11:29:46
Ben Thehoose,24/09/2009 11:26:42

You need help.


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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 11:34:41
#249 NittonLover
"If thats not a political agenda then I don't know what is..."

Hmm. Interesting. I don't like politicians so I have a political agenda? Riighht!!!

You've provided a list of what you think is tosh telly (though Loose Women is OK to watch while I'm having my lunch! And a better option than f'n fitba') of non-Scottish origin - tell me some GOOD telly from Scottish origin? And I'm well aware there is some, before you start name-calling!
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Bewildered,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 11:35:12
It seems that the SNP Government are under the impression that now they have dealt with all the serious issues affecting country they can now turn their attention to the trivia. What planet are they on ? If it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious that these guys are so wide of the mark.
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The Master,

24/09/2009 11:35:58
How ironic that a cockney soap opera could turn out to be a major spike under the wheel of the Nutty Nats' fantasy bandwaggon.

The Master has one short message to the FM: "awight, gov?"
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Jo'Burg Jock,

South Africa 24/09/2009 11:37:40
Ben Thehoose,24/09/2009 11:26:42

Do yourself a favour (and everyone else):-

Show someone you know, with reasonable intelligence, what you have posted today (preferably an adult).

Ask that person what he thinks.

Then follow his/her advice.

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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 11:40:04
#253 - "Hmm. Interesting. I don't like politicians so I have a political agenda? Riighht!!!"

Your political agenda is anti-politicians, is it that hard to understand? You may not like the "p" word, but it is still a polictal agenda (even if it does lead to anarchy).








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langtonian,

uphall 24/09/2009 11:43:36
Culture Minister Mike Russell finaly puts the last nail in the coffin that encapsulates the SNP body politic with his given comments regarding his BBC "takeover"

The whole "shing bang"; that is the SNP manifesto suggests that apart from the kilts/haggis basher's/gaelic part of their support they appear to be on a classic japanese "kamakazi" mission of self destruct before the next election-why?

Because they have totaly lost their vision their reason d'etre,currently their major manifesto is doomed.

Bring on the election!
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 11:44:08
#258 NittonLover
"Your political agenda is anti-politicians"

That's a bit of a leap. I'm not impressed by the current crop of politicians so I'm an anarchist. I've never been called that before. Hahahaha
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 11:44:47
More Garlic Telly! Hold me back stuff is it not. What next, Garlic Internet access on the train to Glasgow or Edinburgh Airports! Oh, Sorry, they have been dropped, as Salmond should be!
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 11:45:01
Another example of the SNP doing more things to promote Scotland.

And they are doing it deliberately!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 11:45:02
#259- yeah, bring it on, just which party is leading??
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Lianachan,

Highlands 24/09/2009 11:46:43
"VIEWERS in an independent Scotland would see the BBC replaced by a new state-funded broadcaster, it has emerged."

Excellent, I'm looking forward to it already. Should be a nice change from that ignorant, racist nonsense I saw on BBC4 last night (Jonathan Meades: Off Kilter).
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 11:47:15
#253 Kirsty Gallacher, Kirsty Young, Gail Porter, Kelly MacDonald, Kelly Dalglish (google them) - just five ways Scotland has made telly watching much better! ;)

And if you're still looking for worthwhile television-related things of Scottish origin, how about John Logie Baird for starters?

Of course, the moment we're independent we will stop producing talent of any sort!
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Dr Egg,

PieUpYerSky 24/09/2009 11:48:10
SNP = Scottish Narrowcast Programming! Great! Re-runs of This Man Craig and The Vital Spark! Mebbe even Sutherland's Law! Who needs BBC4 or Sky+ noo, eh?
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 11:49:49
Do these unionist propaganda shills really think people will sell their principles down the river because of a David Maddox article on Scotland's media?

Anyway, most of the above comment is utter garbage written by people who have no clue about how what they say effects people. The psychology of propagandists and tyrrants.

This is the issue in a nutshell - Tom Leonard's 'This is the 6 O'clock News'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHOClKiZvIc
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 11:52:38
#265 makesmehappy
You're just lusting over Scottish totty, you rascal! ;-).
You still haven't mentioned a top quality Scottish TV programme.
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 11:52:47
Would we have a Scottish Merchant Navy as well?
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Walter Ego,

Durness 24/09/2009 11:53:05
Alex, do you not read the news? A recipe for bankruptcy.
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Dr Egg,

24/09/2009 11:58:23
Mary Marquis on Retorting Scotland.
Ffyffe Robertson on Walkin' Aboot Wi' A Stick.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 11:58:29
#268 - What about "The Crow Road" which was repeated on BBC4 the other night, or "Tootie Fruity" or "Still Game" or "Scottish" produced programme like "The Culture Show".

I absolutly hate people who do our culture down.

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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 11:59:50
#268 - Not my cup of tea, but "Taggart" and "Rebus" too.

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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 12:01:29
#268 Hamish MacBeth - surprisingly refreshing and anarchic.

I also like Rebus, Taggart and Chewin the Fat personally. I honestly can't think of any English detective or comedy shows I watch regularly. I stick to the BBC wildlife, sports and documentary shows or American HBO stuff at the moment - best television by a mile. And I'd still be able to watch it all after independence!

The point is that we have the talent but not necessarily the means or set-up to make our own Scottish programmes on a regular basis. If we get the means, we could make better programmes. Not sure I'd want to pay a compulsory Scottish TV licence, but then I don't think we ever will have to. More likely we'll pay subscription fees and put up with advertising.
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Dr Egg,

24/09/2009 12:02:43
Donny MacLeod on Scottish Hair Daily.
Archie MacPherson on Scottish Hair Weekly.
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 12:03:36
A Scottish national broadcasting service devoid of the West of Scotland Labour Establishment unionist bias; free of the Celtic-minded bias and free of daily 'puffs' for the RC church and 'the oppressed Oirish in Scotland' claptrap.

I, for one, relish the prospect!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 12:04:13
Dr Egg - nice to see you broad view on Scotland.
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Matt the Mariner,

The real World 24/09/2009 12:04:20
And I'd still be able to watch it all after independence.

With Garlic sub titles!!!!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 12:05:41
#276 - PARANOID!!!!!

I thought it was just the green side of Glasgow that felt that.

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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 12:07:21
#272 NittonLover
The Crow Road was, indeed a good programme (and pretty close to the book actually, which doesn't always happen), made in 1996. Tutti Frutti was made in 1987 and I also enjoy Taggart (which they're talking of not making any more due to the costs!) and Rebus.

I'm not 'doing our culture down' (see my previous comments about promoting Scottish talent) but it's a question of it being financially viable.
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European Scot,

24/09/2009 12:09:20
What a predictable little bunch the Unionist posters are.
The thought that a country like Scotland should have its own broadcaster really upsets them, can't possibly have that old boy.
It's vital that they stay with their beloved British broadcaster where they feel so much safer, it's a part of their cosy little Unionist World.
Besides mummy Westminster has broadcasting reserved, and it knows what's best for us all.

Well welcome to the modern World where every single country in Europe has its own broadcaster, except one.
Where even autonomous regions and states like the Pays Basque, Catalonia and Bavaria have their own broadcasters.......... but no, not the country of Scotland.

Unionists are not only frightened of a referendum, they are also extremely nervous of a Scotland getting its own broadcaster, because that is where minds could be influenced by thoughts other than those of the safer Unionist mantra that emanates from the BBC in London and elsewhere.

Think back to some of the scenes witnessed on our screens in the past, with countries previously under communist rule, and scenes of people seizing control of television stations to proclaim and establish their independence.

No, I'm not suggesting that Alex and co. should storm the Beeb !
What I am saying is that Television is fundamentally important to any country.
It is its means of expressing and reflecting the values of its population, it's not just about news and soaps.

Unionists really do want all aspects of the 'British' game fixed in their favour.
Having a Scottish State broadcaster would result in all political sides getting fair coverage and representation, and that of course would be very much at odds with the current arrangements.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 12:11:45
#280 "it's a question of it being financially viable"

Every developed country in the world has its own media - radio, TV and print. What makes you think Scotland would be alone in being unable to do this?

Or are you just a typical unionist who seems to think Scots can't do anything without England? And so you put Scotland down at every opportunity to try to make other people come around to your way of thinking?
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 12:17:19
#283 makesmehappy
It took you a while to start name-calling, but it's what I've come to expect from the SNP posters on these boards.
I'M NOT AN "IST" OF ANY KIND. I'm not taken in by these politicians who are only there to promote their own interests - I don't like any of them.
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Blue Tooner,

24/09/2009 12:22:17
Why waste money trying to fix things that aint broke? The BBC has its faults, but it's the best broadcasting service in the world, by miles.
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Yeah1,

24/09/2009 12:23:06
#249

"We can't make good TV??? Did Scotland produce Big Brother, the Bill, Loose Women, Jeremy Kyle (by far the worst tv programme on in the UK). No we f'n well didn't."

Er...giving examples of bad TV programmes Scotland didn't produce doesn't support your argument that Scotland makes good TV....
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Lianachan,

Highlands 24/09/2009 12:24:49
#285 "I mean refering to a language that has existed for 2, 000 years and making fun of its name shows what a conglomoration of idiocy these unionist shills are."

Given that the language has survived centuries of concerted attempts to wipe it out, and all associated culture, it's also deeply offensive not to mention racist.
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langtonian,

uphall 24/09/2009 12:25:01
Those watching prime ministers question's from Holyrood.

The the Q/a session only cements my comments @259.

Bring on the election

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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 12:26:23
286 Blue Tooner
“The BBC has its faults, but it's the best broadcasting service in the world, by miles”

What experience do you have of every other broadcasting service in the world in order to make that judgement.
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Shenachy,

South Queensferry 24/09/2009 12:29:39
Irrespective of whether the BBC is good, bad or indifferent, David Maddox should perhaps try to understand the concept of independence before commenting on it. If a country is independent how could any broadcasting company based outside of that country enforce the payment of a license fee - unless it applied it to the entire globe by transmitting only via a subscription service - which goes against the current principles of the BBC. The BBC is already available anywhere in the world without having to have a license to receive it. Are there any REAL stories on other newspaper sites I wonder?
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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 12:30:19
So why is broadcasting reserved?

As if we didn't know.

It's because in the free democracy they keep telling us we have despite the obvious contradictions they are scared we produce and broadcast superior material to them that actually tells the truth unlike the Biased Broadcasting Clique who are all about exclusion of Scottish content and promotion of the "chosen ones."
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Matt the Mariner,

24/09/2009 12:30:55
There are lumps of rock all over Scotland that have existed for over 2000 years, dosen't make them interesting or relevent!
I take it that Black Douglas 2 is not a member of the 'lets laugh at ourselves' brigade.
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Alan B,

24/09/2009 12:34:39
When the tories privatise the BBC the question will be academic. It is very unlikely the tories will not seriously change the bbc given that labour politicised it so much turning it into their mouth piece.

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IainGlasgow,

24/09/2009 12:35:56
Eastenders no longer available in Scotland.

And that would be a BAD thing??

I have to say Eastenders is just about the most miserable, dismal and wretched TV drama programme ever created and why anyone wants to watch it is beyond me.

And while STV are dropping ITV programmes, perhaps they could clear out the other dross like Pop Idol and "I'm a celebrity get me out of here"

Television has been completely dumbed down across the board and something needs to be done to make it more educational as well as entertaining.

Not that I'm really in a position to judge, the only TV prog I watch on a regular basis is Star Trek on Virgin 1, other than that I could quite happily get rid of the mind control device in my living room once and for all.
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Iain Mac,

24/09/2009 12:37:37
If Unionists are saying that we couldn't run our own braodcasting service the are they saying that we should also relinquish control of our legal and education systems as well as our churches which all remained independent under the Act of Union? If not, why not?

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Fitba Krazy,

24/09/2009 12:38:52
296, IainGlasgow,

I agree,

Wretched screeching people every time you walk in somewhere and it's on.

Entertainment?

You don't have to watch the telly to get that garbage.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 12:39:00
#288 Lianachan
"Given that the language has survived centuries of concerted attempts to wipe it out, and all associated culture, it's also deeply offensive not to mention racist"

I'll grant that you might find the comments the other guy made as offensive but it's not racist. Gaelic isn't a race and by people constantly misusing the word it's devaluing the proper meaning of 'racism'.
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danbob,

24/09/2009 12:39:28
292# Correct point. The BBC cannot enforce it and neither would it try. The BBC would still be available on Sky and freeview, also whilst annalogue continues vast areas in south west scotland could still recieve it from the powerfull transmitter in Cumbria. There is a couple of issue here. The quality of programmes from a national scottish broadcaster with a pitifull pot of money £300 million may sound a lot but it's not. Also the cost of setting up revenue collection and chasing non-payers. This is one argument regarding independence and there will be many more. Some issues will not even have yet been thought of.
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Laird O'Gorgie,

24/09/2009 12:40:19
#282 What a marvelous advert you are for the SNP. What are you going to do in your free Scotland? Ban the Tories and pass a law prohibiting Unionist thoughts. This mentality that cetres on its all the English/Unionists fault is straight out of Mein Kampf.
To the rest of the SNP delusionists-
I repeat my challenge - name one good development in Scotland than can be attributed soley to the SNP.
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Bugger Lugs,

24/09/2009 12:41:12
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Jason Patchett,
24/09/2009 10:50:05

Especially for Brown and all the other Unionist Parties
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 12:44:47
"294 Matt the Mariner,24/09/2009 12:30:55
There are lumps of rock all over Scotland that have existed for over 2000 years, dosen't make them interesting or relevent! "

So the Gaelic language and civilisation is like a lump of rock? Centuries of human culture and civilisation disdainfully described as a piece of rock.

Why do you think you can sit in the company of men and open your trap? There is no difference between what comes out of your mouth and used dog food.

I wish I could sit you in front of every Gael who ever lived. Many of whom died for Scotland and your beloved UK in wars, famine and in clearances and have you tell them straight that their existance is no better than a piece of rock.

You are a pìece of something a lot less long-lasting than rock.I'm ashamed that you are my countryman.
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 12:45:09
JG, I've been called far worse by people far better than #288.
The racists on here are the people who claim to hate England and everything connected with it. Doesn't stop them using their British passport, though.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 12:50:23
#302 "name one good development in Scotland than can be attributed soley to the SNP."

Top of my head in terms of big issues I think are worthy, and bearing in mind the SNP is a MINORITY government and can only do so much, not to mention the fact that the SNP faces a 100% hostile Scottish and UK press, which kind of hinders them getting their messages across:

Abolishing prescription charges
No university fees

They've done various local things, but as a minority govt within a devolved govt with limited powers in any case, they've done a reasonable job.

Their biggest achievements though IMO - sticking it to the British political establishment and Westminster, wiping out a complacent Scottish Labour forcing them to completely regroup, and standing up for and promoting Scotland in a positive way - rather than making us feel like we depend on the UK govt for everything (see Scottish Labour).
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 12:51:21
"305 Matt the Mariner,Glasgow 24/09/2009 12:45:09
JG, I've been called far worse by people far better than #288.
The racists on here are the people who claim to hate England and everything connected with it. Doesn't stop them using their British passport, though."

Like I said "Used dog food"
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Bugger Lugs,

24/09/2009 12:51:36
305

Stupid post

Most of us have no alternative to a UK passport unless you are named Blair and your Dad is an Ex PM.

Then you get an Irish one.

Wonder why Blair's kids are Irish now?
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 12:52:09
#305 - show me a comment on this thread where anyone says they "hate England".

It is possible to like England and the English and not want to share a government with them you know.
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Publius,

London 24/09/2009 12:53:16
#298 Iain Mac
You write "If Unionists are saying that we couldn't run our own braodcasting service are they saying that we should also relinquish control of our legal and education systems..."

You're missing it. By the time Scotland gets independence - if ever - it will be impossible for any state to CONTROL broadcasting. Satellites, internet, broadband and a host of other technologies will have made it impossible. The days of socialist-type control of anything are gone for ever.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 12:54:24
#305 Matt
Yep, me too! The name-calling usually starts when you post something they can't properly answer.
I'm Scottish, I'm proud of being Scottish and I know quite a bit about my Scottish heritage (probably more than many of the claymore wavers on here!) but I don't hate the English (there are some I'm not too fond of, but that's on a personal level not across the board!)
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 12:54:48
BD2. Lets get a few things straight. I only question the relevence of Gaelic in a modern Scotland, and wisdom of putting lots of public money into a language that well over 90% of the population don't speak and have no interest in. To equate this with a hatred of all things Gael is an indication that you are ranting with the intolerant fury of a extremist loony.
I have a good friend who holds an important public office in the Western Isles (native Gael) and my consultant surgeon is also a native Gael. Both these people know my views and while they may or may not agree with them, they don't start screaming 'clearances' any time we discuss it. Get a life.
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Publius,

London 24/09/2009 12:56:25
#226 Marga

I do know what you mean by mobile reception on the Fife coast. I was in St Andrews last month with my two mobile phones. One service didn't work at all. The other only worked in some streets!
The Scottish government should help the mobile phone companies improve their coverage. Far better than contemplating a state monopoly of TV.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 12:58:24
#306 makesmehappy
"Abolishing prescription charges
No university fees"

The prescription charges haven't been abolished yet - I still pay £4 a shot for mine. And the Universities are creaking under the fee abolition thing.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 12:59:07
#311 Ah the classic Unionist debating tactic of bringing up Braveheart imagery.

Is this a good time to post this classic "Guide for Unionists" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO5leiwEiTM&feature=related

By the way, still waiting to hear why you think Scotland, alone in the developed world, will be unable to run their own media....
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Satire above all,

24/09/2009 12:59:09
I'll take Independence at ANY PRICE including, if so be it, the loss of the EBC. Would that really be such a loss? Not to my mind.

The fact is this, and Unionists will just have to accept it, but the Union is a busted flush. Scotland will be an Independent country. So, learn to live with it children because it's happening no matter how much mud-slinging this paper comes up with, or how much anti-Scottish rhetoric is produced.

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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 13:00:02
Is that it?
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 13:03:19
#319 Shut the door behind you Matt and review the youtube link at #317.

Almost every one of these tactic have been used in this thread - and none of them work.
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Alan B,

24/09/2009 13:04:26
#Publius

re mobiles. Wrong approach.

Unfortunately telecommuncation is not a devolved issue but mobile companies are granted licences. For 3G the uk government took in billions.

A requirement of the licence should be good coverage. Not good coverage in london.
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Kenny A,

24/09/2009 13:04:55
294 Matt

Dont know what you are getting at with your 2000 year old lumps of rocks comment.

There are lumps of rock and big massive lumps of rocks most of the Highlands and Islands which have been about for 3,000,000 thats three billion years.

I would be truly interested to find a rock which is 2000 years old.

Anyway back to the broadcasting, the popular programmes mentioned in the artical I have found boring, often stupid and of no interest generaly. stick to Star or Sky when in the UK. The one massive notabile exception is BBC news, this is a good service.

Some BBC documentaries are very good as well. Scotland is certainly under represented in TV content by the BBC.

Gaelic documentaries are excellent and even if you read the sub titles which I tend to do as BBC Gaelic is a bit strange for me well worth watching, gaelic popular programmes and soaps are just plain garbage, poorly produced and I know of absolutly no one who watches them or has much interest in this.

Everyone to their own.

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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 13:09:54
Kenny,
You could try reading the post! It said: Over 2000 years old'
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Lianachan,

Highlands 24/09/2009 13:10:26
#300 "I'll grant that you might find the comments the other guy made as offensive but it's not racist. Gaelic isn't a race and by people constantly misusing the word it's devaluing the proper meaning of 'racism'."

No, actually - it is indeed a proper use of the term "racism". Please do not assume that "race" is limited to skin colour. It also encompasses culture and, indeed, language.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 13:11:23
#317 makesmehappy
"Ah the classic Unionist debating tactic of bringing up Braveheart imagery"

I only EVER start using expressions like that in response to the name-calling the SNP posters always start. And as I keep saying, I'M NOT AN "IST" OF ANY KIND. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me a 'Unionist' (though someone else thinks I'm an 'anarchist'!).
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sonofhamish,

edinburgh 24/09/2009 13:13:26
#306 get your facts straight:

No university fees - done by Lab/Lib Dem coalition in 2000

Abolition of prescription charges - is a ridiculous change. Vast majority never paid anyway, and with the NHS needing every penny it can get this was a bad a decision as scrapping Forth bridge tolls.
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Ewan Randall,

24/09/2009 13:15:54
Why is it that quality programmes are already being guaranteed and not just being aspired to in a service not yet past the conceptual stage?

Can anyone be sure of the quality in programming prior to the inception of the service being proposed?

Why is it being suggested that we could see more of the football talked about without guaranteeing the service will be any better than it is now?

Did they actually guarantee there would be any football on the channel?

Will the price of the television licence be as high as it is at the moment?

Will the price of the television licence rise as steeply as it does at the moment?

Will the Scottish government relieve some of the burden from the shoulders of the Scottish people by subsidizing the high cost of the television licence?

Why is it that we are still talking about continuing with a television licence that is already very unpopular when this new channel could be paid for by advertising revenue?

Why burden the Scottish people with this unnecessary tax that indiscriminately penalizes the poorer members of our society?

Will the people be expecting that the television licence will cover a similar range in programming that they currently view on the BBC?

Will this new channel still be covering the Queen’s speech at Christmas?
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Kenny A,

24/09/2009 13:16:51
In ref to my post at 322, an example for gardage popular Gaelic programmes is "Elvis", around 2007 I think.

I was at home at the time and was witness to the cast and production team having a picnic, barbeque or grand gala, goodness knows what across from a graveyard. Some were dressed in bow ties. this is the Hebridies, most seemed English or Glaswegian and I did not see any connection between these people and Gaeldom

A shocking mess was left behind and they also caused damage to buildings and peoples cars.

I think they were BBC, not 100% certain, whatever they were they were generaly ignorent with the exception of the technicians.

This hyped up program I watched about 10minutes then threw the casset away as it was pure rubbish.

If you compare this with the more sensible AlBA programmes you can get it is a massive difference. Suggest people watch this.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 13:17:54
#326 Well as the video at #317 advises, maybe just better not to engage them in debate. You're opening salvo included this - "Salmond has totally lost the plot! What a parochial little man he truly is, full of his own perceived importance." Hardly likely to provoke reasoned discourse.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 13:18:28
#325 Lianachan
From the Oxford English Dictionary :- "• noun 1 each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics. 2 racial origin or distinction: rights based on race. 3 a group of people sharing the same culture, language, etc.; an ethnic group"

Gaelic isn't a division of humankind. You wouldn't be able to differentiate between a person from Inverness or (horror of horrors!) Plymouth. It's not an ethnic group.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 13:22:28
#330 makesmehappy
"maybe just better not to engage them in debate."

Rigghht! OK. I get it now. Don't argue with the SNP because you'll always be wrong.
Well, that's one way to win an argument - banish everyone who disagrees with you!
P.S. Salmond IS a self-important, parochial little man!
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pwd,

Borders 24/09/2009 13:26:44
# 234

I think you missed the point. Oh dera, never mind.
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Laird O'Gorgie,

24/09/2009 13:28:30
All the SNP arguments today clearly illustrate that the SNP is driven soley by negativity - its all the fault of the English or anybody else that Scotland is such a mess. The only thing everyone agrees on is that the country is in a mess.
Yet not one SNP supporter can put forward one single success devised solely by the SNP that brought prosperity to the country.
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Kenny A,

24/09/2009 13:29:31
324

I did read your post and if anything showed rocks in Scotland were a tiny little bit older than this to say the least. Perhaps you should have read my post a bit more.

I think rocks are hugly interesting and very relevant as well. You would make a geologist cry with you comments there.

As to your comment at 312 fair enough not many people speak Gaelic, but I feel more are now interested in it than previously so a provision should be made. I also think the same should be for old Scots for example which I have no interest in speaking but an interest in the history of the people who spoke it in a Scottish context.

Still want you to give details on a rock less than 2000 years old.
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GM,

24/09/2009 13:31:14
£5,000 each extra tax in the SNP win.

There will be no council tax freeze.

You will need a passport to visit relatives in England.

Abolishing bridge tolls will mean a huge rise in traffic congestion.

The Edinburgh trams are the SNP's fault.

We will not support the budget of the SNP.

'Bring it on'.

'I didn't intentionally break the law'.

We are democratic thats why when we consider the future of Scotland we specifically exclude any mention of independence.

There will be no referendum.

If Scotland is independent you will all pay a triple TV Licence tax.


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Anyone care to spot the common theme above?

clue - they are all lies perpetuated by and in this so called newspaper.
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makesmehappy,

24/09/2009 13:31:58
#332 Mate, give it up. Independence is coming in the next 20 years. Sooner IMO if these two things happen:

1. The Tories win the next national election or two (very likely)
2. The SNP succeeds in lowering the referendum voting age to 16 or 17 (as the UK govt themselves suggested in 2007 lowering the voting age for national elections to give young people more of a say, they can't exactly oppose it without looking very foolish)
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vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

far away 24/09/2009 13:37:25
What a load of guff about double licence fees. We get BBC programmes here in Finland (loads of them) and it doesn't involve paying a double licence fee. Yet more stupid scaremongering. OMG, if we go independent we won't get the BBC, shock horror.
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Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 24/09/2009 13:39:45
#334, I'll give you one success because you're obviously too bl00dy stupid to see it for yourself.

Council Tax.

There again, since you're a Quisling, you can always add a couple of hundred to your own tax and pay the extra to be like your maisters! No? Thought not! Just another blowhard, ignorant Quisling!
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Mikey,

Carstairs Junction 24/09/2009 13:41:44
I'm just wondering if EVERY unionist is a liar or is EVERY unionist thick?

Which is it? Maybe liars AND thick?

They obviously think that REAL Scots are as thick as THEY are!
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The Goblin1,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 13:42:19
Saturday 20:00 on SCB Garnock Way, The Next Generation.

Aaaaaa.... NO!
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Itsanobrainer-Vote SNP,

24/09/2009 13:42:59
Oh my god, how would we get by wiffout Eastenders and Strictly P!sh Dancing

People all around Europe and even further can watch the BBC free of charge. In fact, you can read the news any where in the world in 27 languages with a PC, all for free. Why do we provide this service at such a huge cost? The BBC should have been scrapped long ago

There's nothing more annoying than switching on Match of the Day on a Saturday night and it's all english football. Oh but we can get about 5 minutes of Scottish football late on Moday night!

Also, programmes are bought and sold all around the world, with the fee based upon your countries audience, that's how SBC could show Eastenders, if they wanted to broadcast it. I do wish would could stop all this stupid scaremongering, two license fees etc. But then it is Mad Maddox
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 13:43:07
#337 makesmehappy
"The SNP succeeds in lowering the referendum voting age to 16 or 17"

Because, as we all know, young minds are easier to influence. Especially if we go down the emotional route.
I hope you've gots lots of money, mate, because if we're left with the Alex Salmond account sheet, you're going to need it!
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vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

far away 24/09/2009 13:44:21
Anyway, the first time I went abroad for any length of time (back in 1978) it was such a breath of fresh air to get away from the BBC for a few weeks. I mean, how parochial can you get? And the BBC fanatics accuse Salmond of being parochial just because he thinks outside the box. It's a weird and wonderful world right enough.
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Kenny A,

24/09/2009 13:44:41
331 JG

One of your better posts but going to have to disagree (NO OFFENSE).

Firstly I would state the Gaels are a cultural group, that encompasses much more than Scotland, we can include Ireland, parts of France and many people living in North and South America, Africa, Australia and also Asia.

As for the ethnic part

There can be different physical characteristics, ie tooth patterns found only in the people from the Western Isles and Lofoton Isles of Norway, Gael or Scandanavian up to you.

Racial origion interesting one that, we are different but not as different as for example the Basques of France and Spain. Everyone is different.

Sharing the same language and culture, by your own definition we are an ethnic group.

Now I have Gaelic speaking cousins from Argentina, and New Zealand, the new Zealanders term them selves Gaelic Maouri and thers a fair few of them, not all my cousins by the way.

I also know a very few people who learned to speak Gaelic with no relation to the people and culture, while I respect them they are not Gaeles. I suggest you watch a documentary called the blood is strong, its old 70's or 80's but worth watching.
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Publius,

London 24/09/2009 13:47:11
#322 Alan B

You write that mobile phone licences are not devolved. True. But neither is broadcasting. If the Scottish government can pontificate about Scottish broadcasting, then it can pontificate mobile phones too!
The serious point is that plugging some of the gaps in mobile phone coverage would not be difficult. Creating a quasi-state monopoly in broadcasting will soon be futile. Why can't the SNP go for one of the spare channels on Freeview, Freesat, Sky or Virgin Media?
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Lianachan,

Highlands 24/09/2009 13:47:38
#331 JG, Fife.

Exactly - from the quote you provided, we have:

"3 a group of people sharing the same culture, language, etc."

Gaelic is a languange, and a culture. Statements that insult those who use it can correctly be labelled as racist.

#305 Matt The Racist: "JG, I've been called far worse by people far better than #288." All you know about me is that I don't care to see my culture insulted. How you can use that one snippet of information to classify me, and weigh my worthiness, is a mystery to me. Do you know these others are "far better" than me *because* I'm keen to preserve my culture and heritage? Anyway, yes, I have no trouble accepting that all manner of people have probably called you "far worse" than a racist.
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Gerry,

Ballinasloe 24/09/2009 13:49:06
(308)
Though it's not the topic of discussion, the Irish Citizenship and Nationality Act gives the descendants of Irish-born citizens the right to hold an Irish passport. For many this is merely a matter of convenience as one of the benefits is safe international travel. It can't be terribly safe for an American or Brit to produce a US or UK passport in places like Tehran or Kabul. That's why Blairs kids travel on Irish passpports - his grandparents were Irish from Donegal. Daniel Day-Lewis (actor), Martin Sheen (actor and activist) and John Simpson (TV journalist) are only three of thousands who have taken out Irish citizenship and passports recently. Roll on the advent of a Scottish passport!
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A Crofter,

Couch Potato Arce 24/09/2009 13:52:03
TONIGHT'S TV LISTINGS


17:00 TELLYTUBBIES All the toys are lobbed out of the pram. (rpt)

18:00 FOOTIE Queen of the South v Kock of the North. Includes extra time.

20:00 CPO, CPO, CPO Tonight, Fill and Thirsty help a repulsive property speculator find a suitable location to trash our natural heritage.

20:14 COMMONWEALTH GAMES Lots of silly flag-waving and naff choreography - if you can get there!

21:00 MORE FOOTIE Further inaction from the Trumplicker League.

22:00 CLOSEDOWN And good riddance!

22:01 TEST CARD Featuring fat boy holding yellow balloons.

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Publius,

London 24/09/2009 13:55:16
#322 Alan B

Point that hasn't been brought up is that the BBC's quasi monopoly is bad for everyone. Murdoch Jr was right to argue that it undermines pluralism. Its radio and TV programmes present a uniform centre-left view of the world (tree huggers good; multiculturalism good; high taxes good; commercialism bad etc). The BBC's guaranteed income prevents the emergence of serious competition in news broadcasting and the web. Only specialised newspapers (Economist, FT) dare charge punters for accessing their web sites.

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Kenny A,

24/09/2009 14:00:09
Lianchan

Been doing a bit of study into the age of the Gaelic language, it seems a lot older than 2000 years.

I contacted a mate in Edinburgh University a few years ago on this subject and he was convinced Gaelic was the second oldest language on earth after Mandarin Chinese, he however mentioned the Goeldoic A and P versions (Welch), may have got the letters wrong it was a while ago. I challanged him about Australian Aborigine languages and he is still scratching his head about this I think.

Regardless it is what is termed a "root", language and goes well back.

Thought it may be of interest.
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Jason Patchett,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 14:00:16
How very bizarre. Like most headlines in this paper, it just ignites anti-unionist/nationalist flame and ends up with some of the most extreme opinions. There are some very obscure debates here, and some that bares no relevance to the subject of a Scottish broadcasting authority. I personally believe that an SBC would be a good thing, whether Scotland is independent or not and will promote Scottish culture.
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Laird O'Gorgie,

24/09/2009 14:01:21
# 340 Either you are another rude SNP supporter or you forgot to add which ward you are in at Carstairs.

Either way Council tax is not a concept of the SNP.
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albahomeland,

24/09/2009 14:01:51
What a silly article.
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Angus og of The Isles,

24/09/2009 14:09:31
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albahomeland,
24/09/2009 14:01:51

It is in line with the ethos of this now finished and discredited paper. Wasted by the dead hand of unionism that now controls it like so much of Scotland, laid to waste.

Actual copies bought by the public is now reckoned to be under 40,000 and dropping like a stone, I give it 6 months.

You just have to look at the playground antics of the unionist agents on here to see why no one wants to buy the paper or indeed take part in the juvenile spitting and screeching that passes for debate on the forum, there are much much better things in life than being trapped in this cyber cess pit like the regular unionist howlers are.

SAOR ALBA GU BRATH. VOTE SNP FOR SCOTLAND. IT IS TIME.

BYE BYE.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 14:10:35
#248 Lianachan
"Gaelic is a languange"

The one thing I agree wholeheartedly with is that such an old language shouldn't be allowed to simply die out. I don't speak it myself, but I understand its importance and the history of it. I'm not sure throwing handfuls of money at it is the answer, but promoting it and offering classes is a great idea.

Do you really think that, because one Scottish person speaks Gaelic and I don't that was are different races?
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Lianachan,

Highlands 24/09/2009 14:13:14
#352 Kenny A.

Cheers. Not particularly relevent, but Gaelic is one of the "Celtic" languages, and is down the other leg of the same pair of linguistic trousers as the Brythonic ones (Welsh, maybe Pictish, Cornish, etc..) The split you talk about is P/Q, and the Gaelic languages are indeed earlier than the Brythonic ones - having split from the common Proto-Celtic root earlier. I'm also very interested in the development of Gaelic (and all the languages and placenames of the British Isles). Apparently, knowing about stuff like that makes you worthless or beneath contempt to some, as there's an assumption that it makes you a hairy "Braveheart" spouting anti-English racist. Ah well.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 14:13:26
#356 Angus
Aye, and so do you! And it ain't going to go away just because St Alex of Salmond takes over! By the time he's finished setting up the SBC, the New Scottish Army, the Scottish Passport Office and heaven knows what else, we'll all be completely skint!
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Nevsky;,

St Petersburg 24/09/2009 14:15:41
360 JG*

Skint? Think of the number of jobs it will create...not like we are not paying for it all anyway is it?
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Dylan fan,

Planet earth 24/09/2009 14:16:43

Great news! You know this is like having a local newspaper.. in the days of print... This is very important to Scotland... A forum that puts Scottish news and accomplishments FIRST .. Next thing you know... it will become natural!! Keep it up!
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Laird O'Gorgie,

24/09/2009 14:16:52
#353 The problem in having a unique Scottish channel is that they are all cr*p. We already have STV and BBC Alba. STV is desperate and utterly baised towards low brow culture and weegies.
BBC Alba's audience comprises a few Gaelic speakers in the West. The rest are made up of a few misty eyed whisky sozzled SNP supporters who like to pretend they understand whats going on.
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langtonian,

uphall 24/09/2009 14:19:48
#300JG Fife
Gaelic,despite it's longevity, to say nothing of it's total impenatrability for others than dyed in wool adherants is to all intents and purposes a non viable,workable,useable, medium for general usage in this day and age.

Nobody,as far as i am aware nobody has ever mentioned total banning,quite the opposite ,those wishing an ongoing culture of gaelic, are free to go down that road.At their own expense.

But do not try to ram it down the throats of the greater majority who will not have it thrust upon them at any price.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 24/09/2009 14:26:12
#358 JG "Do you really think that, because one Scottish person speaks Gaelic and I don't that was are different races? "

Not per se, but it depends on the context, and the culture of the individuals. "Scottish" culture is not the same the lenght and breadth of the (modern) country.
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 14:28:20
#364 langtonian
"Nobody,as far as i am aware nobody has ever mentioned total banning,quite the opposite ,those wishing an ongoing culture of gaelic, are free to go down that road, At their own expense."

I don't actually think we're disagreeing here! I'm only saying there should be classes to learn Gaelic if you want and we shouldn't let it die. If I want to learn to speak French I have to pay for that - same with Gaelic!
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vcmoksfmofesamofaim,

far away 24/09/2009 14:33:26
JG, French is a foreign language in Scotland, Gaelic ain't. The French government supports French in all manner of ways, just as the Brit government supports English.
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langtonian,

uphall 24/09/2009 14:37:23
#357Angus og of the isles,
Greeting's
You'r diatribe against the paper you are reading and sending comments about is what is known in the UK as "The freedom of the press".

All can participate all can comment,a problem that many SCots have with the SNP Independance political route is caries the added tag of "Nationalism"

As fairly recent history of two world wars has shown, Nationalism is but a gnat's knacker away from Dictatorship and there is the rub, there is the future for Scotland should the SNP have their Indipendance.

A route toward Dictatorship.
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Alan B,

24/09/2009 14:39:04
#Publius

I was not commenting on the bbc issue but the one you raised specific to mobile coverage.

And here I beleive that coverage should be part of the requirements for mobile companies when getting licences to operate.

I think an approach whereby the scottish government would be effectively subsidising mobile coverage due to the uk government not putting coverage in scotland as a priority is not the right approach.

The approach should be enforsing a licence requirement of coverage by the government (and offcom). If the uk government will not do it then it should be a devolved issue that the sp can pick up.

Unfortunately with calman issues like this did not even seem to be mentioned and discussed and papers like the scotsman will not question poor deal scotland gets as it can seen as detrimental to its extreme unionism.


Furthermore it is not just scotland but very poor regualation of the mobile companies in general. Look at mobile broadband. The companies selling it have a no return policy even where you cannot get coverage to make it workable. Add to which their staff are not trained properly and through ignorance give you incorrect info that means that they tell you the wrong thing and then will not accept a return of the item even when they were to blame.

Madness.

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SkeptikScot,

24/09/2009 14:44:38
I like the idea of a Scottish BBC, but I doubt I'd watch it myself. It would have a tiny budget and mostly show worthy cod liver oil TV. Go ahead, but not for me.

Once the UK has gone digital I suspect that Ireland won't get the BBC for free - and neither would an independent scotland. What's more, without any obligation to Scotland, the BBC would become even more Anglo-centric.
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langtonian,

uphall 24/09/2009 14:45:06
366 JG Fife
My appologies,it would appear we are singing from the same hymn sheet with regards to "The Gaelic"
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Walt Nicholes,

Utah, USA 24/09/2009 14:49:10
You guys just can't shake the socialist ideal, can you? What's the point of becoming independent if all you do with it is set up your own dependence?
Drop TV taxes! Drop TV licensing. Forget about government being responsible for entertaining the populace. Let the TV industry be free and self funding. They can buy programs from the BBC, or the independent networks or even (gasp!) from America. They can show them with advertisements. They can make low-budget broadcasts themselves.
If you simple replicate locally, what you have longed to get away from for centuries, you have accomplished NOTHING!
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langtonian,

uphall 24/09/2009 15:05:06
#369 Allan B
It has for along time since been a great mystery for me to get to grips with "Independance" as a concept.

the reaons are many and varied; however as the word devolved cropped up in your comment;what is there to devolve to a Govnerment that is completley Independant;which is of course the SNP basic policy.

I have noted many times wherebye SNP "high heid yin's" have when cornered about some matters of importance such as Armed Forces,Education,Health Service,now Broadcasting
;when funding of these matters crops up they come away with oh! that's a devolved matter.

Realy?so the SNP manifesto is based on a "cherry picking" basis,they will only be responsible for the things that suits their concept of Independance.the other main costs are devolved!.

Hardly Independance,more a question of passing the big buck stops at Wstminster.
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The Scotchman,

24/09/2009 15:13:15
Opportunities for Broadcasting discussion paper now online and PDF at Scotland Government site.

Chapter 1: Broadcasting in Scotland - the current position
Chapter 2: The Calman Commission's recommendations for broadcasting
Chapter 3: Options for greater devolution of power over broadcasting
Chapter 4: Broadcasting in an independent Scotland
Chapter 5: Conclusion

http://tinyurl.com/ye4kctg
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JG,

Fife 24/09/2009 15:18:30
#367 vcm
"French is a foreign language in Scotland, Gaelic ain't."

Good grief!
If I went to a maths class I'd have to pay for that too!
It's the tuition you pay for, not the damn subject!
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Exiled Spireite,

Fife 24/09/2009 15:35:44
Firstly as an Englishman living in Scotland I am astonished at the level of bile administered by pro separatists on here to fellow Scots who wish to retain the Union. You may disagree but to accuse them all of 'hating Scotland' is a debased argument. Supporting the Union is not treasonous (as we'll when we get this blasted referendum out of the way).

Secondly if you're this abusive to fellow Scots it worries me greatly as to what level of abuse I'd get as a 'foreigner' should the separatists get their wish.

Thirdly, on the issue. The recent 'experiment' by STV basically gives Scotland a taste of what is to come. Cheapo documentaries with someone from Taggart wittering on about Irn Bru, terrible American imports on prime time (Fitz! The crummy ancient film Narrow Margin!). The only way to measure the success of STVs is to look at the viewing figures. They are collapsing. If this is the glorious future...

Fourthly, re the populist ranting about football coverage. The SFA is an entirely independent Scottish body which chooses to sell its product to the highest bidder. Under the state control of the STV they will be forced to accept whatever tinpot offer the SBC can rustle up. This will adversely affect the development of training programmes and consequently the Scottish game.

For those who appear to be unaware, England matches do not appear on terrestrial TV any more in Scotland. STV has opted out of this to show more homespun product like terrible Jennifer Aniston movies. Match of the Day gets almost as proportionately high viewing figures in Scotland as it does in England. My Scottish friends and fellow 5 a siders, to a man, watch and enjoy English football. Norway, who some have held up as an example, get live English matches, not just highlights.

I'm sure there is a case for more investment by the BBC in Scotland, but I'm sure you can make the same point about any part of England north of Watford. Derbyshire, where I'm from, contributes about £70
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Yeah1,

24/09/2009 15:35:56
#367

"French is a foreign language in Scotland, Gaelic ain't. The French government supports French in all manner of ways, just as the Brit government supports English."

Are you seriously trying to equate the promotion of gaelic in Scotland with the promotion of French in France?

88% of the population of France speak French as a first language, with most of the other 12% speaking it to at least some degree.

In comparison 0% of the population of Scotland speak Gaelic as a first language, with only 1.1% of the population speaking it at all.

The two just aren't comparable in any way.
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Justin Timbercake,

24/09/2009 15:41:15
375 JG,Fife 24/09/2009 15:18:30
Good grief!
If I went to a maths class I'd have to pay for that too!
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Don't be silly JG.

In an independent Scotland, everything would be free, the sun would always shine and Scotland would win the world cup!
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Exiled Spireite,

Fife 24/09/2009 15:46:02
Didn't realise there was a space limit! I'm pretty sure Derbyshire contributes more than £70 to the beeb.

It should read £70m. The point being that it doesn't get it all back and will get far less of a share than Scotland. London and the south east gets the lions share.

There is an argument to be for better distribution of money throughout the UK. But the SNP aren't interested in that simply in point scoring. And the contributors on here prefer to accuse fellow Scots of treason, rant inaccurately about coverage of England matches and state that binning the BBC is valid because they don't like EastEnders.

With debating skills like this independence is shoo in!
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Yeah1,

24/09/2009 15:46:59
#376

Excellent points - if this SBC were anything at all like STV in terms of programming it would sink like a stone.

STV has cut virtually anything anyone ever watched on it (including the FA Cup, England games, The Bill, Lewis) and replaced it with repeats of documentaries or rubbish American films from the 80's (despite saying in the case of the FA Cup at least that it would be replaced with homegrown Scottish programmes).
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 15:50:06
Pleased that the sun will always be shining, cos the telly will be even more mince than it is at the moment, given the laughably small budget that will be available!
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 15:51:21
376 Exiled Spireite,

You appear to suffer from a selective reading disorder if you imagine that all the bile you refer to emanates from “pro-separatists”, whoever they may be.

Perhaps it has escaped your notice that the author of the SBC proposal is actually an Englishman?
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 15:53:55
#376 - Lets forget about the bile and lies coming from the other direction, shall we. The worst being some idiot comparing the SNP to the nazis, now really.

The unionist posters are NOT producing anything postive to promote their argument. On all my time here this is the one common thread.

Its all "you can't do it" or "you are too incompetant" or, like today, Scottish TV will just be all kilts and shortbread. It is offensive and no wonder pro-independance supporters are getting angry.










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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 15:58:21
#380 - *** NEWS FLASH *** - STV promoting Scottish independance by mocking up a Scottish TV schedule. Labour disgusted.


STV is in dispute with ITV and are doing the only thing they can by not showing (and therefore not paying) for their programming. That has NOTHING at all to do with this story.


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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 16:00:26
The unionist posters are NOT producing anything postive to promote their argument. On all my time here this is the one common thread.

Heres something postive. I have worked and travelled to most parts of the planet, and while I agree that the BBC is not perfect (what is), it is by far the best public broadcaster I have ever seen. Prove me wrong.
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Farky,

Edinburgh 24/09/2009 16:01:11
My question is why does the BBC have a Persian service..? I would rather see more investment in Scotland than propaganda channels being set up to destabalise other countries! UK government at its best!

Is this what I pay a TV licence for?
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 16:05:41
#385 - I don't have a big problem with the BBC (praise be to Radio 4), but I think an SBC can be as good.

Wanting to keep the BBC is not a valid argument for staying in the union. If you think it is then that is really sad.

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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 16:06:45
#386 - The UK government pays for the World Service, it doesn't come out of the license fee.
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 16:09:55
#387

If you think the AS roadshow will get its (not Scotland's) wish anytime in the near future, then THAT is really sad!
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland 24/09/2009 16:10:55
And Alex in Blunderland will be following the white rabbit into the depths of wind turbine country in pursuit of a golf ball lost in Trumpington's rough. Do we really pay taxes to employ this shower!?
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Front Street,

Relugas Road 24/09/2009 16:12:56
#16..."Lets face it most of our 'British' programming is as relevant to me in Livingston as CNN or the Fox Network."
About as revelant as STV/BBC Glasgow?
I predict a forest of 100ft masts with aerials pointing
South if SBC ever start transmitting.
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Exiled Spireite,

Fife 24/09/2009 16:13:50
382/383
The author of this may well be English. What does that prove? Perhaps he likes documentaries about tartan and dreadful American versions of classic British drama. Perhaps he is also unaware of the superb BBC4 programming in recent weeks about Scotland which had nobody from Taggart wittering on about soft drinks.

Yes, there are on idiots on both sides and calling someone a 'nazi' is reprehensible. But that is to silly for words. On the other hand there is an unremitting accusation of being anti-Scottish for any Scot who opposes separatism.

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re the quality of Scottish content, the STV programming becomes incredibly significant. They are replacing credible British drama with absolute rubbish. If they can make quality stuff, where is it? I don't think Scottish programming will be all kilts and shortbread. It will be Fitz, Jennifer Aniston and Postcode Challenge. Its already happening.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 16:15:06
#389 - Say, why don't we vote on it??

And if it is YES then it will be Scotlands wish.

Also, its pathetic to try and put it all SNP policies all down to Alex Salmond, a really pathetic tactic.


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Scunner,

Aberdeen 24/09/2009 16:15:58
If the new station has boxing on it then the SNP will get my vote. It's a disgrace that the BBC don't show any boxing. They are also biased towards English sport.
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Yeah1,

24/09/2009 16:18:44
#383

"Scottish TV will just be all kilts and shortbread. It is offensive and no wonder pro-independance supporters are getting angry."

Perhaps if the SNP did not put such a massive overemphasis on the importance of gaelic it would lead less people to assume SBC will be all 'kilts and shortbread'.

What is offensive is that the SNP are pandering to a tiny minority of the population by promising more gaelic because it fits in with their romanticised notion of what Scotland should be - if this is a precursor of what SBC is going to be like then I'm afraid it will very much be all kilts, shortbread and haggis.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 16:19:11
#392 - STV are not operating normally at this time. So it is not relavent. They have not geared their programming to cope with the dispute.

Oh, and "Postcode Challenge" pre-dates the current problems.
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland 24/09/2009 16:20:48
Let's have a programme about Argyll and Bute' roads being in such a state of disrepair. There could be a competition on TV with a prize for the worst!
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 16:23:35
#395 - "Perhaps if the SNP did not put such a massive overemphasis on the importance of gaelic"

Tosh and more tosh, turned "more" into "massive"???? You are writing complete rubbish, especially since nothing has been decided yet.

Why not write something positive for a change?
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Matt the Mariner,

Glasgow 24/09/2009 16:25:17
#393. By all means, have a vote. And if more than 50% of the electorate say yes to independance, go for it.

Regarding AS policies, he only has one, and we know what that is. With him as King, President or whatever.
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Jimmy La Pie,

24/09/2009 16:26:50
#399 Matt,

What an inanely stupid post.
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NittonLover,

Newtongrange 24/09/2009 16:28:09
#399 - Again, Big Eck is a politician and like ALL politicians of all hues, they like to see their faces on TV.

Unless you name is Grey, then, you really should hide yourself away.
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ppink,

24/09/2009 16:33:03
Fact is that in a free Scotland you could get BBC programmes such as Strictly Come Dancing and EastEnders as well as BBC2,3,4,Channel 4, ITV 1,2,3,4 STV and dozens more all on free-to-air

Just like all our expat friends in France, Spain,Holland, Germany, Norway, Irland etc etc with no facist BBC TV vans and criminal sanctions.

It's a no brainer!

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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 16:45:01
399 Matt the Mariner

Is “Independance “one of those one of those interesting light entertainment programmes which make the BBC such a wonderful broadcaster?

Is Brucie also in charge of that one?

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SkeptikScot,

24/09/2009 16:45:21
How long will access to BBC be free in Ireland, Netherlands etc, once the UK has gone digital? The technology already exists to encode; but with independence 10, 15, 20 years from now things will have moved on still further.

The "Scottish BBC" idea needs to stand on its own funding feet - as a comprehensive service - not assume it would be a supplement to a free BBC.

I notice the plan includes raising revenue from TV advertising. Is that feasible given the state of the finances of ITV, Channel 4 and Channel 5? (and these TV stations have a market of 60m).

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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 16:45:27
This is supposed to be a political forum. I am supposed to posit then that those who debate here are interested in a debate about our nation and beyond.

And yet, I have to pile through yards of idiotic gibberish posted by wannabe unionist propagandits. Kids, go and read some Walter Scott or Bawswell and Johnson if you want half-decent unionist propaganda. This is not a social club for political buffoons. Would you please learn how to think or leave the sentient among us in peace?

I have to listent to total morons accusing all and sundry of anti-Englishness just because he can. I have to listen to our great Gaelic language being ridiculed by being called 'Garlic'. I have to read suggestions that an independent tv programme would likely be about road repairs in Bute. I have to put up with being called 'claymore waverers' and all sorts of other Scottish stereotypes and so on and so on from people whose only ambition in life is to get up in the morning and spout foolish and prejudicial sh&te all over what is supposed to be a political forum for debate about issues which effect the lives of millions of people. And this is what these clowns are allowed to reduce this forum to? Foreigners read this forum - what kind of rabble must they take us for? The unionists on here should have a good look at themselves. When your mother gave birth to you, did she dream that her offspring would grow up to be a moron propagandist who in the comfort of their own living room would write garbage that you would never say in public? Read back to yourself the cr&p that you write and ask yourself what a conscience is and how would I know I had one?

Now go and try to discover the brain that was given to you. Promise yourself that you won't waste it anymore.
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Matt the Mariner,

Pacific Quay 24/09/2009 16:49:29
Who's Brucie? The defination of light entertainment I have is a long way away from what gets put out anywhere in the UK, BBC or anybody else. I didnt say the BBC was very good, I said it was better than anything else I have seen.
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Exiled Spireite,

Fife 24/09/2009 16:52:13
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This is the level of budget that STV has! This what it can afford when it cuts ITV loose. It is absolutely relevant. It will get worse as its ratings and therefore income are plummeting.

Looking at the economics of the SBC.
The SBC will have a budget of £300m. It costs about £1m per hour to make quality drama. 2 hours per week would eat up one third of the SBC alone. Sky pay £15 per year to the SFA for Scotland matches. 5% of SBCs budget. News is expensive. So are documentaries.

Sorry I'm being negative again. Rather that than living in a fantasy world. If you're going to advocate this get real. The SBC will be either rubbish, reliant on cheap imports or require massive extra state subsidy leaving it ever more vulnerable to political interference. STV are having to go cap in hand for subsidy for their (not unreasonable) idea of an hour long Scottish tea time news.

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Do pro separatists really think the rest of the UK will be happy for Scotland to disappear into the sunset and then expect to get all the programmes it refuses to fund! The situation in Ireland in regrettable and won't be allowed to happen again. The BBC should make the Irish pay their way if they want British tv.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 24/09/2009 16:56:28
I'm not too bothered about all the nationalist navel-gazing about what they'll do when they're finally 'free'. The wee deluded trot groups in the 70s and 80s used to waste their time discussing exactly what would happen after the revolution - which is fine if you are that way inclined.
What is truly worrying is that in the depths of the most severe global economic crisis in a generation an administration entrusted in delivering important services can be so irresponsible.
I take it this Scottish Executive have so much money that they have a spare million quid or so to fritter way on this pathetic vanity project.....
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 24/09/2009 16:57:19
Exiled imbecile

"The SBC will be either rubbish, reliant on cheap imports or require massive extra state subsidy leaving it ever more vulnerable to political interference."

You mention reliant on cheap imports and YET say nothing of export income. Why do you think you have and credibility at all? You are obviously on here to cause trouble. We, the people, want an informed debate. We do not want yards of petty unionist sh&te shoved in our face. DO YOU GET IT?
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Dùn Èideann Bully Wee,

24/09/2009 16:59:16
407 Matt the Mariner

It would appear that the proposed SBC should also invest in programmes which assist viewers to spell in English as well as Gaelic.
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Exiled Spireite,

Fife 24/09/2009 17:00:03
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What a load of sanctimonious drivel. Check out my posts (376 379 392 408) and then come back with something bet