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Salmond weighs in with new hope for Scots cycling after Hoy's attack



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Published Date: 21 August 2008
ALEX Salmond has pledged the Scottish Government will look at the case to fund major new cycle training facilities around the country in the wake of Chris Hoy's Olympic gold-winning exploits.
The First Minister said there appeared to be strong arguments in favour of building new tracks to complement Glasgow's planned national indoor velodrome.

And he offered hope to campaigners battling to retain a cycling facility in Edinburgh the day after the city's Olympic hero launched a fresh attack on plans to demolish the capital's ageing velodrome.

Mr Salmond said he would offer a face-to-face meeting with Hoy to discuss how to improve Scotland's cycle training facilities and respond to criticism that the nation would struggle to produce the next generation of medal-winners without major investment in new facilities.

Hoy has attacked the prospect of Edinburgh losing its cycle velodrome in favour of the new facility in Glasgow. No new track is planned as part of the redeveloped Meadowbank Stadium, where Hoy trained early in his career.

A new indoor cycling velodrome had been planned as part of a major new sports complex in the Craigmillar area of the city, which received £6 million from the then Scottish Executive in 2004.

However, the following year the city council had ditched the new velodrome after agreeing to support a new national cycling arena in Glasgow, which was part of the city's Commonwealth Games bid. At the time council leaders in Edinburgh pledged they would look at creating a replacement outdoor cycle track, but since then the plans have come to nothing.

Councillors voted in March to demolish the existing facilities at Meadowbank, including the cycling velodrome, and build a new sports complex on the site.

But Hoy has launched a series of attacks on the council, the latest just minutes after winning his third gold in Beijing.

He accused it of not producing any plans for a new cycle training facility in Edinburgh. He said: "Elite sport cannot stand alone without local facilities giving kids the chance to get into the sport in the first place. I really hope Edinburgh is going to continue to produce world-champion cyclists in the future but we cannot do this without a local facility."

However, Mr Salmond said: "We have to remember Scotland will be getting a brand-new indoor cycling velodrome in Glasgow in time for the Commonwealth Games, which as a country we don't have at the moment, and there are currently only two other such facilities in Britain.

"However, the whole question of training facilities does seem to be an area worthy of further exploration. Although the new facility will be capable of hosting international competitions, we need to look at the case for a series of other facilities around Scotland."

Steve Cardownie, the capital's deputy council leader, said: "We do want to build a new training facility, but it's likely to cost £2-3 million, and we'd obviously need external assistance to pay for it."


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  • Last Updated: 21 August 2008 1:26 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Chris Hoy
 
1

The Spook in Leith,

21/08/2008 00:46:10
Anyone who has been to Meadowbank sports complex will know that this ports facility needs an urgent upgrade, don't get me wrong, the main enclosure pitch used by Edinburgh city is great but the outlying facilities like the velodrome are in a poor standard. I hope they do keep and upgrade the velodrome in Edinburgh as it is used a lot each week.
2

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 21/08/2008 03:11:02
The legacy from the Commonwealth Games of 2014 should be grass roots facilities, the provision of these grass roots facilities starts not when the games finish, but now the start date is March 2009.

Chris Hoy said it all, when he said "Elite sport cannot stand alone without local facilities giving kids the chance to get into the sport in the first place”


What did the local authorities of Scotland do with the £580 million, which they received from the Executive in Edinburgh over the previous 5 years to provide sports facilities? That was the question put by Audit Scotland; we still are trying to find the answer.
3

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21/08/2008 03:13:11
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4

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 21/08/2008 03:47:34
First thing the Scottish government needs to do is adequately fund commuter cycling for school pupils and adults so that everybody has access to, and uses, cycle facilities of a standard comparable to those provided in continental cities and towns.

The more "ordinary" cyclists there are, the greater will be the number eager to take up cycling as a sport.
5

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 21/08/2008 04:17:55
thad a boy W Smith, feel better after your daily rant about them mooslum luvin pesky gants?

You'll be one of those bloated western types that have moved to Dubai for the sun whilst loathing the locals?

Anyway, how dare AS try to capitalise on Scottish success eh?, I think he is doing it deliberately also!
6

Soup kitchen,

21/08/2008 06:02:14
Whenever Salmond put *his* 'weight' behind anything then that's some moment of inertia dawning.

It's not priority number one right enough, but as it's on teh front page I suppose he needs to try and get his photo in the paper, maybe eating a sausage or handing a cheque for £400,000 over to Islam.

How did the (ex?) SNP councillor get on who took his children on holiday to a terror training camp btw?
7

Geoff,

sa 21/08/2008 06:36:54
Wow- Alex S used the "B" word and with a capital B!

Also, what about the needs of Gay Muslim Cyclists??
8

Geoff H,

Fife 21/08/2008 07:04:42
4. Fair point

3. & 6. Blinkered nonsense
9

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 21/08/2008 07:27:39
More SNP opportunism? How about all the other sports that would benefit from investment. Synchronised Buckie/Langliq drinking, for example.
10

Geoff,

sa 21/08/2008 07:30:51

9 Rules-or Tiddlywinks-Pogo Stick biatholons?
11

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 07:35:33
#3

I guess you are one of those ex-pats who, despairing at the loss of Empire and the ever-increasing influence of the Muslim religion, decided to emigrate to get away from it all.

Only, not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, you chose to go to a Muslim dominated region and surround yourself by those you appear to resent so much.

Unless of course, by the Middle East, you are referring to perhaps Bridgeton, with the Far East being represented by Baillieston?

12

Anecdotal,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 07:36:50
So if smug wee Eck is still around in 2012 and a Scotsman/woman wins 3 gold medals for shooting will he then say he is going to ensure there are shooting ranges all over Scotland?

Instead of building a new velodrome in Glasgow for the Commonwealth Games why not rebuild the facility in Edinburgh and us it just as they are doing with the RC Pool?
13

Me, myself and I,

Livingston 21/08/2008 07:41:52
If there was an Olympic medal for cynical headline grabbing step up to the podium Mr Salmond.

Money no object for the headlines of new housing or a velodrome but curiously as missing as a Barbados skier when council workers go on strike.

Are you and team Broon in the same bunker swapping tips?
14

tommy M,

21/08/2008 07:42:25
what a shame the liebour politicians spent more time thinking about how to line their own pockets in power and sqaunder money on illegal wars and Trident than to improve Scotland's sports facilities, hospitals, schools etc

Thank Goodness we now have a Government here in Scotland that puts Scotland's interest first.
15

AJ Fife,

21/08/2008 07:55:29
As per usual, Mr Salmond shows inspired leadership. His finger is never far from the pulse and Scotland can look forward to investment in all the right areas!

16

eric,

Lothian 21/08/2008 08:01:33
The national velodrom is being built in Glasgow so what.
Just built a regional version here for local kids can get interested in it.Sorted!
17

Scudder,

Glasgow 21/08/2008 08:02:57
For Christ's sake Alex ,, it's a bloody minority sport ... OK so the boy Hoy "done good !" but get your priorities and OUR money to where it's actually needed ?
18

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 08:14:32
#3 The SNP have never given £6 million, or anything close to it, to a "gay group". Would that they had - it would still be a drop in the ocean compared to the funding given in kind via the tax system to the religious nutters who promote hatred of gay people.

There are an estimated 500,000 gay people in Scotland, and we pay taxes just like the rest of you. So if the SNP ever did fund a support group to the tune of £6 million (and I stress it never has done) then it would be entirely justified.

As for the meat of this story, Salmond, ever the populist bandwagon-jumper, appears to have failed to realise that his own party is in coalition in Edinburgh. How pathetic that he should try to get his face in the paper on an issue in which his own party is guilty of cutting the facilities.
19

Marga,

Fife 21/08/2008 08:14:38
Raise the profile of biking with public bike hire. Cheaper than velodromes (and trams) and open to all.
20

Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 21/08/2008 08:19:00
#12 - We already have shooting ranges all over the east end of Glasgow.
21

brownlie,

21/08/2008 08:20:17
9 Rules

Is "synchronised Buckie/Lanliq drinking" going to be a priority for you in your one-man federation?
22

roughrider,

Glasgow 21/08/2008 08:30:25
3 W Smith,Middle East.
You are one sad wee turd.
23

donald,

glasgow 21/08/2008 08:32:46
Scotland has not been the same since Oor Wullie stole PC Murdoch's bike.
24

puskas,

East kilbride 21/08/2008 08:35:10
No15..

Your few words say it all.

Progressive Government led by Mr Salmond our First Minister and cabinet.

As the truth enters the public domain the unionist are shown up funnier than spitting images. Broon and cohort's highland jig is fascinating as the script to independence develops by the day.

Obviously although unionism is becoming a minority, further education is still a necessity as shown with the comment boards..
The runaway train to independence is accelerating. Some correspondants tend to be a wee bit backward but we needn't bother as the luggage is no greater than the equivalent of a ladies compact case.





25

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 21/08/2008 08:36:24
#3 "THIS HAS BEEN NOTED SALMONDY BOY."

Oh no! You mean you're not going to vote SNP next time? He'll be shocked and devastated.
26

Richardinho,

21/08/2008 08:37:22
'Scotland has not been the same since Oor Wullie stole PC Murdoch's bike.'

funny, I thought that picture of Chris Hoy aged 10 was the absolute image of Oor Wullie!
27

jdships,

21/08/2008 08:38:40
14 tommy M,

Ah but AS is catching up fast on how to be a real "politician" !
Has his finger firmly on the pulse of Scottish opinion and is quick to grab the "high ground" of "headline grabbing"
Proving he is no different to any other political animal - as many expected .
Long way to go yet for "Fat Boy Eck" !!
28

MacGillicuddy,

21/08/2008 08:43:08
How many velodromes does a country of 5 million need?
29

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 08:44:13
All of this does seem to be something of a populist reaction to one great sportsman. Chris Hoy is a cyclist - so let's build lots of velodromes. Surely the issue is to develop a range of suitable sporting facilities in various places. How do we know that our next great Olympian is not going to be a swimmer or a skater?
30

watcher4,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 08:52:59
All of a sudden Salmond is British. What exactly has the SNP done for Sport in Scotland in the last year? What have they done different from the Socialists?
Note the Nats silence when there is British events on the Telly.
31

Boy Wonder,

21/08/2008 09:00:32
#23. Donald ... borrowed is the word you're looking for ... Oor Wullie "borrowed" PC Murdoch's bike!!!
32

Liz,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 09:03:53
#15
You are hilarious! :)

#24
So this is not a cynical headline grabbing ploy then? Where was Mr Salmonds support for cycling before these Olympic Games?! I sincerely hope we do not get all carried away with velodromes and cycling facilites and forget that there are many many other sports that could do with a bit more support from our esteemed Scottish Government.
33

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 09:07:01
The success of the GB cycling team is a classic instance of the Union dividend so often dismissed by the SNP. The amount of money invested in this success would simply not have been feasible for an independent Scotland. Chris Hoy's success is fantastic, but it is the result of hard work from the whole team GB over many many years. Take that out of the equation and Hoy would have been a gallant individual struggling against the odds.
34

Nethan,

Shanghai 21/08/2008 09:08:56
What about the about the deplorable state of the Glasgow international arrivals hall. Who is responsible for that scruffy place? Is it BAA?
35

Doh,

21/08/2008 09:09:29

This is not a time for sound bites.

Salmond can feel the wheels of history turning.

But in the real world it makes sense to build the national velodrome in Glasgow since they are hosting the Commonwealth games.
36

Alastair the First,

21/08/2008 09:11:46
18 Duncan:- you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about this issue, frankly. And as for your estimate of 500,000 homosexual people in Scotland, your cause is not helped by trying to overestimate the situation. The figure of 10% that you bandy about is a gross exaggeration - scientific studies suggest a figure of around 2.6% is more like the true picture. Base your claims on reality and I'm sure no-one would grudge you a fair share of the cake.
37

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 09:19:19
#36 I simply responded to a typical lie from someone who sees gay people as an easy target. I make no apology for continuing to do so. You yourself have expressed homophobic views in the past, so I'm not surprised that you want to make out that I have a "chip on my shoulder" and thereby downplay the validity of my point. I'm not going away.

Even at 2.6%, £6 million would be a drop in the ocean - and is still a fictitious figure.
38

Linda,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 09:24:33
Problem with Meadowbank is that for last 20 years it was neglected by the Labour run council.
Having said that the outdoor velodrome is outdated and a new indoor velodrome is required but on another site.
39

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 21/08/2008 09:31:08
why does everything have to be about gays.Why should they get special treatment just because they are gay.
its all about me me me.get real you lot and get a life
40

"Hoots" Fandango,

21/08/2008 09:31:48
3 W Smith

You are a complete moron, but we all know that.
41

"Hoots" Fandango,

21/08/2008 09:33:49
6 Soupy loop de loop

As pathetic as W Smith. Grow up.
42

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 09:40:22
#39 Who's asking for special treatment?

This thread had nothing to do with gay people until #3 made a false allegation about money being given to a gay group. I make no apology for responding to it. Your attitude is unhelpful and it looks to me like you deliberately took the opportunity of the subject being raised to throw in your own unfounded allegations.
43

Geoff H,

Fife 21/08/2008 09:41:35
39 Joke comment, surely?
44

"Hoots" Fandango,

21/08/2008 09:44:51
42 Duncan

#3 has been removed OK?
45

Geoff H,

Fife 21/08/2008 09:45:10
43

Correct.

Perhaps we should have boxing rings on every other street corner like in Havana. Cuba seems to produce it's fair share of quality boxers.
46

Alan B,

21/08/2008 09:46:36
#Duncan in Edinburgh

While i support independence i do not have a problem with a british team in the olymics. Much the same as the Irish will participate in the lions at rugby.

However your rant at #33 that Hoy would not succeed unless scotland was within the union is the type of thing that shows the lack of confidence and psycological issues that underpins scotlands problems. That makes me think that any support I have for a british olympic team is wrong and scotland really needs a completely clean break to deal with these serious psycological confidence issues that seems so prevailent in scottish society.

People like Hoy achieve because of their own determination and talent. Bit like Murray in tennis. What he has done so far is despite government intervention (both north and south of the border) or the setups within the uk. With Muuray actually developing himself in spain.
47

thomas ferguson,

21/08/2008 09:51:44
baw 2 faced salmond jumping on the bandwagon to get a headline as if he will do something,yes if it get me a photo call and 10 votes "i am listening" go away and do the job you were elected for to try and run the country
48

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 10:01:26
47 Alan B
How can you possibly say that what Chris Hoy has done is "despite the setups in the UK". Chris Hoy himself is on record as paying tribute to the coaches, medical staff, engineers, physios etc. and support staff at the cycling centre in Manchester as the "best in the world" Also it cannot have escaped your notice that the GB cycling team in general dominated the events. The support staff and engineers had obviously given the team an advantage. The so-called "squirrel" bike they use perhaps - designed by F1 engineers and unique to the GB team

I agree that Chris Hoy has demonstrated extraordinary determination and talent but to deny the assistance of others and state that he achieved "despite" them can only be viewed as churlish.
49

"Hoots" Fandango,

21/08/2008 10:03:32
48 Massey Ferguson

Good debating skills. Top of the class for you. Well done etc.

ps ... parliament in recess.
50

Senga Jean,

21/08/2008 10:06:49
There is so much personal abuse directed at Mr Salmond's appearance which indicates to me,a student of human success and failure,that Mr Salmond must be very ,very successful. He is obviously a doer and not a whinger. I think he might not be an Onionist perhaps?
51

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 10:09:19
#52 Salmond's implacable opposition to onions is well documented.
52

danielrober,

21/08/2008 10:09:42
Just coff up the cash Alec.S, its not yours its Scotlands.

Just realese the funds. It's call backing natural talent with hard work and money. The Athletes do the hard work and the government pay the cash. Besides it will be good to see lots of young people riding bikes rather than been ASBO's.
53

"Hoots" Fandango,

21/08/2008 10:09:44
52

An ad hominem attack is normally used when all else has failed.
54

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 21/08/2008 10:10:47
These grandiose ideas for the elite and privileged youth of the central lowlands are all very well but surely the first step should be to ensure that sports facilities - however basic - should be available to everyone in the country.

Right now, tens of thousands of children across rural Scotland live more than a 60 mile round trip from a public swimming pool. However you look at it, that must be a national disgrace. We pay considerably more per capita in indirect taxes than city dwellers and often earn considerably less.

Why should we continue to subsidise Edinburgh, Glasgow and Inverness to such a high and unequal level?
55

Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 10:15:12
#47 Firstly I would like to stress that I did not say that "Hoy would not succeed unless Scotland was within the union". I said that without the immense effort and investment (and ruthlessness) of team GB Hoy would have been a gallant individual struggling against the odds. He could well have won that struggle. My point was that team GB, the millions spent, the ruthless approach to removing anyone from the team who was not focused solely on winning, and the sheer dedication that was enabled by the world-class team of coaches, is something that can be rightly identified as part of a "Union dividend".
56

Miss H,

21/08/2008 10:17:31
You people are all so naive. Read what he said. He has not promised anything and has obviously been responding to questions asked by the press in response to Chris Hoy's attacks.
57

Geoff H,

Fife 21/08/2008 10:22:03
49

My point exactly.
58

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 10:22:21
On the subject of funding for sport please consider the following :
Rebecca Adlington receives a grant of £8000 per year from lottery funds. As a gold medallist from Athens in 2004, Chris Hoy receives rather more - £24000 per year.
Many footballers receive several times more than this in one week. Now compare the attitude, dedication etc. of the two Olympians with that of top footballers who can rake in millions from the public's insatiable desire to buy cheaply made replica strips at exhorbitant prices and other sources of money. Perhaps, if the public reduced its obsession with football and took more genuine and consistent interest in other sports more funding would be available.
59

George Mackay,

Dundee 21/08/2008 10:23:03
27 jdships

You're right about fat boy Eck. Salmond would kill himself if he went for a bike ride in a velodrome. isn't it funny that Scots die earlier than nayone else and we have the fattest political leader.
60

Geoff H,

Fife 21/08/2008 10:25:59
61

Thanks for that wonderful contribution.

Did u think all of that up for yourself?
61

Alastair the First,

21/08/2008 10:27:01
37: I haven't expressed any such views. I have however pointed out that "homophobia" is the incorrect word to use in the manner in which it is commonly used, as phobia means "fear of". It is one of those perjorative terms that are thrown around by the politically correct. For some reason you take exception to anyone pointing that out - I am not intending to be offensive (if I wanted to be offensive, you'd soon know about it!). You are over-sensitive and seem to see insults and prejudice where none exist. Anyway, as said above, a bit off topic!

As for your ridiculous point that these medals are part of a union dividend - why not go the whole hog and have a "team EU" in that case? No doubt you are against Scotland having a Commonwealth Games team...
62

"Hoots" Fandango,

21/08/2008 10:30:20
61 Wee Geordie

Another master debater. Well done. Your mum must be so proud of you.
63

Alan B,

21/08/2008 10:35:14
#Ugly George

People are interested in the sport they are interested in. The idea that people should stop being interested in football is not going to happen. Why should it?

I do think the media have a role to play. It is only when the media start putting the athlete or sportsman on the front or back page that people with notice him/her. It is only when that athlete is invited on to some show and/or interviewed say by the news programs. With a better public profile, that will attract private sponsorship. For instance how many people would recognise Nicol the guy who was number 1 in the world at squash. The olympics is atleast giving guys like Hoy a public profile.

The fact is apart from once every 4 yrs with maybe the world championships and europeans few of these events are spectator sports.

Whereas with football it is the number 1 spectator sport. I find myself personally not that interested in the olympics. Used to be in the 80s early 90s but could hardly name an athlete now, whereas i would avidly follow events run by the Wells, Coe, Ovett, Thomsom, Cram, Thomson and their side kicks, aswell as the other international ones like Lewis and Moses.

64

Scottish 'N British,

21/08/2008 10:38:49
58

Agreed.

Given Salmond's record thus far, we need to look at the detail at what he says.

What does "further exploration" really mean? Is it 'yes' or 'no'?

Edinburgh needs a (preferably covered velodrome). Other sites are also required in Scotland.

For if it unacceptable for Scots to have to travel to Manchester, it is unacceptable for people from people from Perth, Dundee etc, let alone Peterhead and Aberdeen, to have to travel to Edinburgh or Glasgow.

In basking in Chris Hoy's limelight and pointing out what these successes mean for Scotland, Salmond (and all other politicians) now has/have a duty to back these words up with action.

58 points out why we need to be cautious about what Salmond says.

Who knows, perhaps (ha!) this time his words will be more than just soundbite, have more than just a hollow ring to them.


65

Jwil,

21/08/2008 10:40:11
It would seem sensible to speed up the completion of the Glasgow velodrome so that it could be used by competitors before the 2012 olympics. Does it have to be pristine and unused for the Commonwealth games?

The other aspect of this is that cycling is flavour of the month because of the success in Beijing, but there are other sports which must be deserving of new facilities so that all the eggs are not in one basket.
66

Scottish 'N British,

21/08/2008 10:42:01
64

Glad to see an acknowledgement of the Union Dividend.

Even if it is loaded with a caustic remark on Obree.

Taken further, this of course could be applied to many athletes and many sports, and not hust Scots cyclists.



67

Boggle fey the Bog,

21/08/2008 10:45:32
13 Me, myself and I,Livingston 21/08/2008 07:41:52

What is a a Barbados Skier, is that some sort of CockTail@

Surely wou mean Barbadan or even Barbadian.

As for being 'missing' when the 'cooncil wurkers' are on strike, you should be asking the question of Cllr Pat Watters (Labour South Lanarkshire) who is president of that fumbling body,known as CoSLA, which is the LA's Employers Federation, who apparently didn't feel it neccesary to contact the Trades Unions, before the strike, to see if they could avert it.
Do I smell sleaze and conspiracy, from the Trades Uniions and Nu Labour/Owld Torie trying to 'engineer' 'Industrial unrest' to discredit the lawful Government of Scotland.

Naw of course not, Nu Labour/Owld Torie an the Unions urnae that sleekit, ur they?

And as for Eck promising tae look in tae buldin mair bike facilities , then good oan him, and while he's it it he could also hae a look at the state o' oor ice rinks, and athletics tracks in general.

Theres plenty o' 'Lottery money' oot there fur the takin, aw we've goat tae dae is huv a plan tae spend it!!!
68

Buspass,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 10:46:31
Let's hope Edinburgh does rebuild Meadowbank Velodrome for the third time, and does not forget what they omitted on the first two occasions - namely a roof.
It will last longer for a start.
69

Alan B,

21/08/2008 10:46:39
#50 Ugly George

My issue was more regarding the fact that this thread was about sport facilities in Scotland. However Duncan had to try make it about a cheap jibe about a union dividend. I just find that abit pathetic in the same way he is irritated by ani gay sentiments by an earlier poster.

As i say i do not have an issue with a british olympic team while still supporting independence. With most things there can be advantages and disadvantages to either a scottish team or a uk team. While as you point out there can sometime be advantages, disadvantages can accrue when a scottish sportperson is overlooked for a less talented one from england as has happened a few times. The 2 situations i remember would be 1)where a female scottish badminton player with a higher ranking was overlooked for a lower ranking english player a few years ago. (i remember the fuss about it). It was supposedly due to the fact the english badminton association has a target of so many players from england within the uk team and they used there greater voting power to elect the poorer player. 2)was when a scottish runner was overlooked for the relay event despite being faster than the 4th member of the relay team selected. This was based on the fact the 4th person was london based and could train more easily with the other runners.

70

Nick_Byrne,

Glasgow 21/08/2008 10:47:08
For those who are quick to dismiss the role of Team GB in any of the Scottish achievement - look west to the oft cited independence role model.

Just how many medals has Ireland won?

The funding the UK puts into sport dwarfs anything a small independent nation could produce and that's just fact.

Those Scots that have done well are quick to acknowledge the support and facitlies available from being part of Team GB and are quick to give credit - it's a shame those of nationalist persuasion can't see past their own prejudices to do similar.
71

Scottish 'N British,

21/08/2008 10:47:27
47

"People like Hoy achieve because of their own determination and talent. Bit like Murray in tennis. What he has done so far is despite government intervention (both north and south of the border) or the setups within the uk. With Muuray actually developing himself in spain."


Support could have been better, clearly. That said, Hoy has openly admitted the part the Edinburgh velodrome has played in his success.

I remind you that Murray received £1.5m financial assistance from the, ahem, "British" LTA.
72

MacGillicuddy,

21/08/2008 10:48:13
#37 and posts passim

Duncan! You were absolutely correct to take Smith to task in his post at #3. He must be a very unhappy individual who has nothing positive to say about anything. He has turned his back on Scotland in favour of some middle eastern Utopia and in my view has forfeited any right to a say in Scotland's future.

We will have to disagree on the Union however as I will never agree that it has ever been in Scotland's interests to be in a one sided and throughly pernicious and now totally discredited union with England.
73

Ugly George,

edinburgh 21/08/2008 10:48:23
66 Alan B

I agree with you - people will interest themselves in whatever the fancy. The problem is, in essence, cultural. The point I was trying to make is that that the public needs to face up to its own accountability rather than saying, once every four years, lets get the politicians to spend more on sports facilities.


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Gordon, Canonmills,

21/08/2008 10:50:58
The so-called "union dividend" works both ways.

As far as I'm concerned, the presence of the unionista flag and the absence of the Saltire make me less inclined to be interested in the Olympics.
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Scottish 'N British,

21/08/2008 10:53:31
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I stand to be corrected, but weren't some of Dundee's sports facilities built for holding major events but on construction, were found not to be conducive to holding them?

I daesay this is the case throughout the country.

One example is the oddly-named Olympia pool on the waterfront. Built to great fanfare only to be turned down for holding events cos it isn't the proper size.

It's soon to be bulldozed, and replaced. Hopefully they have learned their lessons.

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Alan B,

21/08/2008 11:10:40
#76 Ugly George

Completely agree we should spend more on sport facilities. All parties have been very poor at this. Would be beneficial if scotland/uk could become more sporty (in the form of participation) like Australia.



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Alan B,

21/08/2008 11:18:26
#78 Scottish 'N British

I agree we need good (better) sports facilities.

I just think it is silly to try to turn olympic success this into a debate about the constitution. If you arguing for or against the union, sports facilities etc are not relevent.

As for Murray as far as i know he only got the money from the LTA after he had made it. The thing that helped him on his way up was going to some facilities in Spain where the now world number one was training.

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AJ Fife,

21/08/2008 11:24:30
SoB #74,

I'll remind you that Scotland's No1 didn't receive LTA backing until he was an established ATP player. Plus, the deal also included Brad Gilbert being used as the LTA's national coach!

Once again, you're being economical with the truth! Typical Onionist characteristic!
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Geoff,

sa 21/08/2008 11:27:11
77 Gordon Canonmills-theres lots of Saltires at the Olympics-look at the composition of the Union Jack Gordon-St George,St. Andrew and St. Paddy!
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Deamhain,

Aberdeenshire 21/08/2008 11:33:34
Now, since this piece is actually about a politician, I'll make a remark based on same.

I thought a bandwagon looked different from a bike. Maybe Mr Salmond has got them mixed up because he seems to have jumped on the former.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

Edinburgh 21/08/2008 11:37:35
#81 It's entirely natural that this turns into a debate about the constitution, because the SNP are a single-issue pressure group and Salmond's approach to every single issue is to identify ways in which it can be used to drive a wedge, pick a fight or mislead the public.

Thankfully there are a growing number of people who can see right through him - to counteract the effect of those like AJ (did you get your GCSE results yet?) who slavishly congratulate his every utterance.
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Geoff H,

Fife 21/08/2008 11:41:09
84

Ok then, on topic.

Hoy makes a complaint about facilities after his win.
The First Minister responds.

And now he's 'jumping on a bandwagon'...



It would seem that those that have a dislike of our First Minister will damn him if he does and damn him if he doesn't.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 11:47:45
#86 The problem is that his response was essentially dishonest. He either agrees with the decision made by his party (in coalition with the Lib Dems) to scrap the velodrome in Edinburgh and not build a replacement - in which case he should say so honestly and justify it - or he does not - in which case he should say so and put his money where his mouth is.

All he has done here is deflected the question and tried to grab some of the glory. And you're surprised that people are unimpressed?
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Gordon, Canonmills,

21/08/2008 11:48:47
# 83 Geoff, SA

Naw, the "butcher's apron" is too cluttered. I can't identify with it at all.

On the contrary, the sight of it is antagonistic.

I long for the day when once again the flag over our capital's castle is plain blue with a diagonal white cross. No vertical/horizontal white cross, no red ...

Won't be long now!
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The Tin Man,

21/08/2008 11:49:07
I hope we are going to see plenty of pictures of Salmond cycling to work every day - Boris and Cameron have done a lot more for promoting cycling than our teletubbie FM.
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The Tin Man,

21/08/2008 11:50:30
I hope that picture of Salmond has not been digitally altered to make him look less fat... The mind boggles.
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AJ Fife,

21/08/2008 11:50:54
#85,

No need for that Dunc. I haven't insulted you for ages!

I'm chuffed to read that you think my posts have an effect! :)

Must keep up the good work.........
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European Scot,

21/08/2008 11:51:22
83 Geoff

Good morning Geoff !

" theres lots of Saltires at the Olympics-look at the composition of the Union Jack Gordon-St George,St. Andrew and St. Paddy! "

I'm afraid the Union flag will never be identified as a Saltire, people tend to see too much red for it to be ever taken as such !
As mentioned before, it's far better to have the original !
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Alan B,

21/08/2008 11:53:34
#Duncan in Edinburgh

As far as I can see you are the only person trying to turn this into a constitutional debate.

As an issue it is completely irrelevent with regards the constitution.

The fact that all parties have failed scotland and the uk as a whole with regard to sport facilities is much more relevent to this thread. While it is far to early to see if the snp will be significantly better than labour i would not hold out much hope.

Complaining about other people slavishly supporting Salmonnd comes across slightly ridulous considering your own slavish and mistifying support for labour.

I am not going to back through with you about who is picking a fight with who regards salmond and brown, becuase you failed to come up with anything much the last time. While i listed loads of areas where brown is picking fights with the scottish parliament and its government.

I personally find it abit boring and am much more interested in policy, particularly given the abject failure of labour to address scotlands problems.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 11:53:59
#91 No insult intended AJ - and you carry right on posting to tell us how wonderful Salmond is as he takes the concept of a populist demagogue to new levels of awfulness. ;-)
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 12:03:24
#93 Haha, lovely. I pick fights, you just tell the truth, is that it?

You and I disagree on who is picking fights with whom. Fair enough. But it is an inescapable fact that it is Salmond and the SNP who want to divide the UK, not the Labour party. So it is in Salmond's interest to drive the wedge, not Labour's. To me and to many other people it is clear that that is exactly what he is doing.
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Saruman,

21/08/2008 12:05:07
#37 Duncan: are you sure that the gay population is only 2.6%? My understanding is that most scientific studies throughout the world put the figure at 5% and I'm just trying to be fair to the gay community here.
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Highland Mighty©,

21/08/2008 12:12:46
99. What a tool! Begone, ridiculous nat!
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Highland Mighty©,

21/08/2008 12:13:40
96. We already keep our full share of the oil revenue. Ask Salmond.

My God, you nats are clueless today!
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Highland Mighty©,

21/08/2008 12:15:08
94. Still in hysterics about this quote from Salmond about the Hoy/Kenny match: "It was the Braveheart final!"

How old is Salmond? 12?! LOL!
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Scunner,

Bonnie Scotland 21/08/2008 12:16:06
Typical west coast/central belt bias that Glasgow gets the new cycling veladrome!

It's about time things were spread about the country more.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

21/08/2008 12:20:57
#99 What do they know of Scotland who only Scotland know.

I assume you're bemoaning the fact that we no longer speak French? Or are you making some sort of misguided attempt to claim the Highland Clearances as being the actions of non-Scots?

You need to find the missing chapters in your history book, laddie, and read them!