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The great whisky con



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Published Date: 13 March 2008
THE Chancellor was at the centre of a Budget storm last night, as it emerged that his plan for a huge rise in whisky duty may not raise a single penny for the Treasury.
Despite adding 59p to a bottle of Scotch, Alistair Darling's own figures reveal falling sales will cancel out any gain.

Furious whisky producers viewed the rise for no gain with "utter dismay". Gavin Hewitt, the chief executive of the Scotch Whisky Association (SWA), said: "Scottish distillers are astonished by the Chancellor's announcement. The government's own figures show that any duty increase on whisky is likely to reduce revenue at a time when public finances are tight."

Treasury figures show the package of levies Mr Darling slapped on alcohol will raise an extra £400 million in the year from April. Some £300 million will come from the 14p on a bottle of wine, while £100 million will be generated by 4p on a pint of beer and 3p on a litre bottle of cider. But the tax take from spirits, including whisky, will remain unchanged at £2.3 billion.

Treasury officials insisted the projections were estimates and that revenues would flow from all drinks duties announced yesterday, allowing the Chancellor to fulfil his pledge to tackle child poverty.

The embarrassing revelation came at the end of a day on which the Chancellor was attacked by David Cameron, the Conservative leader, for a "dire" Budget, delivered "with all the excitement of someone reading out a telephone directory".

Delivering the toughest Budget in 11 years of Labour rule, Mr Darling attempted to steady the ship and emphasised "stability" and responsibility. However, he was forced to downgrade his growth forecast, and he published figures showing national borrowing would be £140 billion over the next four years. Inflation has broken the 2 per cent target, but he predicted it would fall back in line next year.

National debt is perilously close to breaking the "sustainable investment rule", which decrees that it cannot rise above 40 per cent of national income.

Among the Chancellor's other changes are a shake-up in vehicle duty to punish drivers who buy higher-polluting vehicles, and extra cash to lift an extra 250,000 children out of child poverty.

Mr Darling followed the style of his predecessor, Gordon Brown, by announcing a series of changes but making the public wait before they come into force. Child benefit will increase to £20 a week from next April – a year earlier than planned. From October 2009, housing and council tax benefit will be changed to give parents an incentive to work rather than claim benefits. Child tax credits will increase by £50 above inflation from April next year.

However, the National Insurance "upper earnings" limit is being raised by 15 per cent, an annual increase of £520 a year for those earning £40,000 a year.

This increase was announced in the 2007 Pre-Budget Report and comes into force next month.

Major changes will follow to vehicle duty, focusing on newly purchased cars. Seven tax bands, already dependent on emissions, will be widened to 13, with vehicles in the highest category paying £950 for their first year's disc. A planned 2p a litre rise in petrol duty has been postponed until October.

The cost of cigarettes jumped 11p for a packet of 20 at 6pm last night, while the extra costs to drinkers will kick in from midnight on Sunday.

Announcing the increase in alcohol duty, the Chancellor failed to disclose the true scale of the increase, saying only that spirits would jump 55p. But the SWA said it would add 59p to a bottle of whisky, pushing the tax burden on the final price of a typical bottle towards 75 per cent. As white spirits such as gin and vodka have a lower alcohol content, when the levy was recalculated for whisky, it added an extra 4p.

Last night, a Treasury spokesman told The Scotsman duties from whisky would increase, but was unable to say by how much. "We are dealing in billions here," he said. "Figures are being lost in the roundings. But we don't have anything more specific right now – these are all estimates."

However, Stewart Hosie, the SNP's finance spokesman, said: "Alistair Darling has chosen to clobber one of Scotland's premier products." Mr Darling said increasing the alcohol levy was "the right thing to do" as it would help children and pensioners, whose winter fuel payments will increase from £200 to £250 (from £300 to £400 for the over-80s).

The whole package of measures saves businesses and individuals £140 million from April, but takes an extra £2.5 billion in the two following years, and it left observers wondering when it would allow Mr Brown, the Prime Minister, to believe it safe to call a general election.

The Chancellor's monotone address lasted 51 minutes. Mr Darling's aides said he was happy for it to be regarded as a "steady-as-she-goes Budget" as it will take longer than expected for the global economy to turn round.

Speaking to the Scottish media, Mr Darling defended the imposition of the first increase in the duty on spirits since Labour came to power in 1997, but said it was motivated by the need to raise cash rather than to tackle binge drinking. He said: "The reason I have been able to help families with children and the reason I have been able to help pensioners is because I have raised duties on alcohol."

Meanwhile, he is to close a tax loophole on profits from North Sea oil, saving £490 million over the next three years. "One or two" unidentified firms are offsetting offshore profits with management expenses incurred on mainland Britain. This means they can avoid the higher rate of corporation tax that applies in the North Sea. That is to stop.

Mr Darling also threatened legislation to ban plastic carrier bags by 2009 if supermarkets failed to act voluntarily.

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  • Last Updated: 13 March 2008 1:07 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

Scottish Politics,

13/03/2008 00:09:19
This is an anti-Scottish move from the London Labour Government. How else can it be looked on when it taxes one of Scotland's best known and loved products by almost 60p per bottle more than at present for NO gain to the Treasury. Shameful behaviour by the Labour Party. Sounds like sour grapes for losing the election last May and is surely a prelude to them losing the Westminster election whenever Brown finally has the guts to call it.
2

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 13/03/2008 00:19:30
#1&2 It was a special request from Kenny MacAskill.
3

Rubbersbutnotrulers,

13/03/2008 00:23:38
Eh, Hootsmon criticise Nu-Labour?

4

subrosa,

13/03/2008 00:28:45
The eastern Europeans who claim for children back in their own countries will be delighted at the child benefit increase.
5

Scottish Politics,

13/03/2008 00:33:24
#3 Utter nonsense Mercutio, the SNP are against taxing Whisky any more than it already is. What they do argue for is responsible drinking. Tell me, when was the last time you saw a group of teenagers hanging around a street corner supping a nice bottle of single malt Whisky?

It is ridiculous that some supermarkets and other shops sell high strength alcohol cheaper than water or juice. That is where the crackdown needs to happen, not on Whisky.
6

J J MAROONER,

13/03/2008 00:36:59
5#

Good Morning Subrosa,


Bad budget for me, all my vices are going to become more expensive.
7

jamboforever,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 00:41:01
A "green" Budget. you'd have to be green to believe it. This is purely a tax raising budget which hits the ordinary man in the street, while the well off laugh all the way to their (offshore) bank
8

J J MAROONER,

13/03/2008 00:42:40
7#

Would have to agree with you on that one, did you see the recent Tesco advert 2 cases of beer for £16 "every little helps",as Bob Hoskins said at the end, certainly will not help sensible drinking amongst the unwise!!
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 00:52:05
"A "green" Budget. you'd have to be green to believe it."

jamboforever @#9,

You said it all!

"Daddy",?

"Yes Son"!

"Is it True?", "Santa brings our Toys",??

"Yes Son Indeed he does"!!

"
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 00:53:23
D'oh!!!!!!
11

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 13/03/2008 01:29:03
Tax and spend NuLabour my A***
12

Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung, Hong Kong 13/03/2008 01:36:35
We had the HK budget two weeks ago. All duty cancelled on wine and beer although some remains on spirits. No council tax (rates) for the next year as Govt will pay I kid you not). That includes people with second homes. Income tax reduced (basic now 15%)with massive payments back to taxpayers for the year. A rebate on our electricity ($1800 per household). More money on education, more on health and much more to build more roads and railways (we aready have the best public transport system in the world). The Govt here has a surplus it cannot spend. Eat your hearts out or better still come a join us. Funnily enough our financial secretary is very popular.
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 01:42:53
Jim Baxter RIP @#14,

Says it all!

'Ripped off' UK!

The best laugh of all!

We 'Muppet's' keep them in Power!

Nothing like...'Self-Harm'...'HUH',??
14

subrosa,

13/03/2008 02:01:13
# 8

Good morning JJ. Seems I'll have to get a green car to pay for mine. My present car is red :)
15

mrd,

fairbanks 13/03/2008 02:15:48
sorry to hear of the tax increase, one thing though. The history of Scotch whisky production, since the 1800's has been a history predicated on the tax structure imposed from afar. From the malt tax to the dispensing fee, charged to tied pubs. The distillers will continue, they have not been stopped yet and this won't stop them now. The choice is to the client, if it costs the same, drink better. Quality is always better than quanity, also any blend should be halved with water. 'Neat' should be reserved for single's and only single's.
MRD
16

The Answer,

Glasgow 13/03/2008 02:32:11
6 Traquir,Alba 13/03/2008 00:28:46

Just how much whisky tax do scots pay ?

Try and do some research before replying.
17

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 13/03/2008 03:33:06
I HOPE HE DONT GET SEEN USING A PLASTIC BAG ANYWHERE
18

Guga II,

Rockall 13/03/2008 05:15:31
#20 Unless its over his head.
19

An Beal Bacht,

13/03/2008 05:42:49
Darling has raised tax on scotch. How dare he? It is every Scotsman's sovereign right to have a wee dram ae the finest malt at a reasonable price. More than this - the distilling industry is a vital and cherished part of the Scottish economy. To interfere with this industry is tantamount to an opening of hostilities.
20

An Beal Bacht,

13/03/2008 05:49:56
6 Traquir, Alba 13/03/2008 00:28:46 writes:

"The hypocrisy of using child poverty as an
excuse is disgusting in the face of
his goverment spending billions on an
illegal war which is killing and maiming thousands
of children. The fact that Scottish Oil and Whisky
revenue is used to subsidize their slaughter makes
me sick to the core."

Me too!
21

donald,

glasgow 13/03/2008 06:33:06
Maybe it is going towards paying for the Lothian and Border Police great miniature hunt.
22

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/03/2008 06:38:09
Tax vice, reward virtue = tax drink amd car fuel, decrease income tax.

When will they ever learn?
23

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 13/03/2008 06:43:54
Anyone know what "a bottle of Scotch" is? I've never heard anyone in thos country say that. Does the reporter mean "a bottle of whisky" perhaps?
24

Ubi,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 06:43:55
It's quite easy to make your own whisky. There is a lot of information about doing so available on the internet.

It is illegal, of course.
25

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 13/03/2008 06:56:39
Our European neighbours will be laughing their socks off at the poor Brits filling their boots with cheap booze. Last year in Rome, 2XI litre bottles of J&B for 20 Euros.
26

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 13/03/2008 06:58:43
Deficit 2007 36Billion 2008 43Billion
The UK is a bankrupt concept, now slowly going bankrupt. Their the National equivalent of the man who borrows from one credit card to pay the other credit card bill.

Time for Scotland to leave, we'll keep the oil you can keep the debt.
27

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 13/03/2008 07:04:31
So the truth on the Whisky levy is now out. The real reason for the tax was to help our French and Dutch friends increase their tax revenue from spirits. What a wonderful jesture for our EU allies, I hope the appreciate what Mr.Darling is doing for them. They should send him a present in gratitude, a bottle of Single Malt would be appropriate.
28

Rob7,

Englan 13/03/2008 07:09:47
Makes no difference to me I dont drink whisky. Mind you what all you Scots sem to over look (conveniently), is that both Browne and Darling are from up North. PLEASE Bu**er off and take them with you, also take Men in Skirts - it has never really court on down here anyway, and your bagpipes, and finally your Oil - not a lot of it left anyway!
29

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 13/03/2008 07:38:11
#32 Rob

Why all this vituperative epithet?
30

Roy,

13/03/2008 07:38:40
What's the purpose of more tax on booze? Is it to raise more revenue, or get folk to cut back on their drinking? It surely can't do both successfully.
31

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 13/03/2008 07:41:51
No. 32 Rob 7:- Did you miss school when they did spelling and grammar? Or are you naturally a complete to55er?
32

Tamaz,

Glasgow 13/03/2008 07:58:02
its just a sign that the government have completly lost touch with public feeling. They go into their little government circles with ideals of improving things, then get so wrapped up in their games that they lose touch. Our only hope is independant scotland where we can start from scratch. No permanent scretaries, politicians limited on how long they can be in power, publically accountable for their actions. Can we hang incompetent ones, or at least give them a good beating?
33

paulr,

edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:08:14
"delivered with all the excitement of someone reading out a telephone directory".
OH PLEASE it was never as exiting as that!!!!
34

Citylocal Fife,

Citylocal Fife News 13/03/2008 08:11:46
How does the man sleep at night - would everyone please remember what Mr Darling & Mr Brown have done to this country, and vote them out at the next election!





Yours etc


Angus Whitton
35

Ken S.,

Reading 13/03/2008 08:16:35
A couple of you can't seem to resist the notion that this was yet another anti-Scottish move by us dastardly English. Please bear in mind that my country didn't get to choose the UK Chancellor ( nor Prime Minister, S of S for Defence/Scotland, etc).

They are politicians elected in your country -- so you know what to do at the next general election if you don't like what they've done.
36

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:20:27
Citylocal Fife @#38,

"How does the man sleep at night",?

That would be with a,.......'few dram's of whiskey'!
37

obeone,

13/03/2008 08:22:33
The Whisky industry is in denial about what it produces. Its not a healthy smoothie they're making, and they make the most money from young people in nightclubs ordering a double whisky and coke and then another and another, not from some old gent sipping on a wee dram. At least the tobacco industry doesn't moan when tax goes up on cigarettes.
38

DonaldDon,

Scotland 13/03/2008 08:25:28
The only way for us to stop this sort of tax on one of our distinctive industries is independence. This halfway house of a pretendy parliament and Westminster muppets just does not work. Bring the power closer to the people of Scotland.
39

Bob M,

Paisley 13/03/2008 08:46:03
Why not make it illegal for alcohol to be sold below the RRP? Surely the additional sales tax gained would earn much more than this current hike in duty?
It would be a more effective way of reducing binge drinking too IMO.
40

Tappets,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:46:19
Politicians and especially Brown and his followers have lost the concept of electorate and commons member. They are elected by us to run the country, their principal aim seems to be to extract as much money from the electorate as they can get away with and spend it on what they feel is appropriate. Excuses rain for increasing tax which is no more than a smoke screen. Our public sector borrowing is about to hit melt down and Brown's policy of borrow today for tomorrow's future is bearing no fruit. Tomorrow has arrived and tax is going up again and borrowing is on the increase and there is no improvement. This government are spendthrifts, the country will be left with a public sector borrowing legacy which will take many years to redress. Spin, lies, deceit is what this Government is built upon. Sad to say they are both Scotsmen ( in origin, not principle) at the helm, I support the English is getting rid of them.
41

Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 08:51:28
right on #6.

Bsck stsbbing English suck up he should be ashamed at the way that he has treated his own kind. He should be hung, drawn and quartered and his head stuck on a pike at the front of the SCOTTISH PARLIMENT as an example of what happens to a Scottish councillor who turns on his own. FREEDOM....................
42

Alasdair,

13/03/2008 08:52:53
More idiocy from Labour. What a surprise.
No doubt AM2 will be along shortly to explain to us all how things would me more botched under the SNP.

Bring on the election, Brown you to$$er.
43

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 08:54:07
Don't people drink more Whisky when times are tough? Seriously though i would have thought that sin tax items such as booze and fags have relatively inelastic demand-that is why they are such favourites for chancellors worldwide as they invariably produce added net revenue? Would you give up your 'dop'(local word meaning tipple)for a measly 59p??I think not!
44

Iain's,

13/03/2008 08:54:38
"Twelve and a tanner a bottle; that's what it's costing today.

Twelve and a tanner a bottle; It takes all the pleasure away!"

Harry Lauder.
45

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 08:56:07
34 Roy-good point!
46

Iain's,

13/03/2008 08:57:15
p.s.
I hope the SNP recognise a threat when they see it.

Just immagine what the tax will be in England if Scotland goes independent!

Great opportunity for the Mafia though!

47

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 13/03/2008 09:00:21
The SNP will have to cut whisky duty. Only rolling drunks will ever put up with them.
48

Sile,

Planet Bankrupt 13/03/2008 09:05:52
Tamaz 36#
The British govt has stitched us all up, as Ken 39# reminds you the English didn't vote these people in Without the Scottish vote Nu Labore would not exist, you cry for Independence [so do I] but be careful for what you wish for, cos the power base in Westminster are all Scottish MPs, the rest are but robots who do as they are told,and vote so they keep their noses in the trough. so with Independence you could have them all to yourself who knows Mr Brown could end up as 1st Minister at Holyrood.and Mr Darling in your treasury.

Sorry to give you nightmares but we can't get shot of them you have to...
49

Sile,

Planet Bankrupt 13/03/2008 09:05:53
Tamaz 36#
The British govt has stitched us all up, as Ken 39# reminds you the English didn't vote these people in Without the Scottish vote Nu Labore would not exist, you cry for Independence [so do I] but be careful for what you wish for, cos the power base in Westminster are all Scottish MPs, the rest are but robots who do as they are told,and vote so they keep their noses in the trough. so with Independence you could have them all to yourself who knows Mr Brown could end up as 1st Minister at Holyrood.and Mr Darling in your treasury.

Sorry to give you nightmares but we can't get shot of them you have to...
50

Sile,

Planet Bankrupt 13/03/2008 09:05:54
Tamaz 36#
The British govt has stitched us all up, as Ken 39# reminds you the English didn't vote these people in Without the Scottish vote Nu Labore would not exist, you cry for Independence [so do I] but be careful for what you wish for, cos the power base in Westminster are all Scottish MPs, the rest are but robots who do as they are told,and vote so they keep their noses in the trough. so with Independence you could have them all to yourself who knows Mr Brown could end up as 1st Minister at Holyrood.and Mr Darling in your treasury.

Sorry to give you nightmares but we can't get shot of them you have to...
51

Sile,

Planet Bankrupt 13/03/2008 09:06:00
Tamaz 36#
The British govt has stitched us all up, as Ken 39# reminds you the English didn't vote these people in Without the Scottish vote Nu Labore would not exist, you cry for Independence [so do I] but be careful for what you wish for, cos the power base in Westminster are all Scottish MPs, the rest are but robots who do as they are told,and vote so they keep their noses in the trough. so with Independence you could have them all to yourself who knows Mr Brown could end up as 1st Minister at Holyrood.and Mr Darling in your treasury.

Sorry to give you nightmares but we can't get shot of them you have to...
52

Sile,

Planet Bankrupt 13/03/2008 09:06:00
Tamaz 36#
The British govt has stitched us all up, as Ken 39# reminds you the English didn't vote these people in Without the Scottish vote Nu Labore would not exist, you cry for Independence [so do I] but be careful for what you wish for, cos the power base in Westminster are all Scottish MPs, the rest are but robots who do as they are told,and vote so they keep their noses in the trough. so with Independence you could have them all to yourself who knows Mr Brown could end up as 1st Minister at Holyrood.and Mr Darling in your treasury.

Sorry to give you nightmares but we can't get shot of them you have to...
53

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 13/03/2008 09:07:31
It's a steady-as-you-go budget simply because the Labour Government have clean run out of options. All this nauseating nonsense about the various tax increases, including "green" ones benefiting child poverty and continuing the great works of Comrade Brown just hit the deck with a loud thud. So let me see - I am now forced to pay for various numpties' neglect of their own children despite being amply rewarded through various over-generous benefits, including the poor children of Eastern Europe by paying more for petrol (in 6 months time to avoid a present furore) and higher air travel tax. What is a poor child? It's not so much that as an adult who is not spending as they should on the priorities in life and whose options are being closed down through soaring prices nd swingeing taxes if they do earn something.

The likelihood of that tax being hypothecated for "green solutions" is of course vanishingly small. The plastic bag threat whilst laudable in some respects is a measure of their desperation as they talk in the same breath of deficits of £40bn! Prudent?

Do you not get the horrible, hollow feeling that whilst Wendy Alexander and some of her colleagues may appear incompetent and riddled with sleaze her masters in Westminster easily surpass her in the dumb stakes and that takes some doing. Now it's votes that count and this bunch of self-seeking socialists just need to be booted out.
54

Allan (Glasgow),

13/03/2008 09:14:34
I heard Thunderbird 2 on the news this morning saying how he was helping hard pressed families but not raising the fuel duty. How is that "helping"?! Helping would to be lower the bl**dy rate and stop robbing us blind and he had the nerve to feign concern over the cost if fuel in the highlands and islands. Patronising Labour halfwit. Green budget, dont give me that crap. If I lived in Germany or France I would happily pay more as their public transport system is excellent. Britain? Fleece you with taxes and vague promises of improvement under the guise if being green. Total b*llocks.
55

Number 6,

Germany 13/03/2008 09:18:25
I see the scottish wing of the labour party's secret meeting with their westminster masters failed to prevent a rise on whisky duty. Job Done.
56

Sile,

mayhem 13/03/2008 09:20:35
sorry my computer is playing up and for some reaon repeated my post five times, have tried to have the excess removed but it refuses to obey command .. my apologies..[hope this only does one lolol
57

Sile,

mayhem 13/03/2008 09:20:36
sorry my computer is playing up and for some reaon repeated my post five times, have tried to have the excess removed but it refuses to obey command .. my apologies..[hope this only does one lolol
58

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 13/03/2008 09:20:37
#2 Scottish Politics
"This is an anti-Scottish move from the London Labour Government."

For all the 'wee-Scoatlanders' putting on their tartan patterned horse-blinkers this morning. It must stick in your craw like a spiny stickleback that this budget has been imposed by a SCOTTISH Chancellor and a SCOTTISH Prime Minister, who succeeds an even worse SCOTTISH incompetent - one Anthony Blair. This was pushed through a House of Commons dominated by the corrupt Scottish Labour Party and chaired by 'Gorbals Mick' - Speaker Martin.

After ten years of Scottish NuLabour rule the British economy is almost bankrupt -with a National Debt of almost £600 trillion and the highest EVER tax-burden on ordinary families. Having taken over the 4th most successful economy in the world The Scottish Mafia - 'Cosa Rothsay' has ruined it and created the first run on a British bnak in over 100 years.

For a true insight into the state of Britain under weegie rule, visit Guy Fawkes' Parliamentary Blog at:
http://www.order-order.com/
59

jdships,

13/03/2008 09:21:39
30
Good post !!
Darling stated
"National debt is perilously close to breaking the "sustainable investment rule", which decrees that it cannot rise above 40 per cent of national income."

That is the thing that really annoys me .

All the soft targets have been hit to gain "stability" we are not improving things one iota
My wife and I's state pension will rise by £350 per annum olus £50 more on heating allowance
A total of £400 per annum which equates to £7.70 a week
That will go along way !!
60

William Tell,

Peebles 13/03/2008 09:23:30
I have now a different target than aiming my arrows at apples--------whisky darling!!
61

Gothic Rose,

13/03/2008 09:25:05
HE,He Heeee.
Charlie boy@40 That would be Irish "whiskey" would it?
62

AJ Fife,

13/03/2008 09:26:55
Of course wee wendy will have been kept in the loop and Westminster's attempts to destroy the whisky industry markets, will have her blessing. Or maybe, just maybe, she doesn't get so much as a memo!

Are all our resident unionists happy this morning?
63

Alec M,

Falkirk 13/03/2008 09:27:47
An extra £20 for the first child too. That'll make many drug dealers very happy!
64

Ctinj,

Alloa 13/03/2008 09:30:09
Higher taxes for the mass public on booze, tobacco and on cars.

Darling wants us all to become green. However thats for us plebs, the mass public.

Its another rule for the government.

Lets pop along to parliament to delivery the 'Green Budget' in our gas gussling official cars, then back to No 10 & No11 to celebrate with a nice malt and a big fat cigar. and who is paying for this pleasure, yes us plebs, the mass public.

The government needs to raise the taxes of the mass public to pay for their pleasures, not the mention the ridiclous salaries and inflation busting payrises that they like to award themselves.

New Labour, nothing new about their greed, once again it knows no bounds.
65

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/03/2008 09:45:41
I find this all very taxing...
66

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 09:50:26
This budget just goes to show the true NAZI credentials of this incompetent shambles fo a government.

Anything that constitutes a freedom of choice has been taxed... Tobacco, alcohol, decent cars, you name it. If people enjoy doing it, it is either taxed of banned under the labour (nazi) party.

Words cannot describe what I wish upon them for this.
67

Liz,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 09:58:55
All this bitching and moaning! Please do not forget what some of the above comments have tried to remind you:

The UK currently has MPs who are representing Scottish constituancies as both Prime Minister and Chancellor the previous Prime Minister was born and educated in Scotland - it is them who are making some of the most critical decisions, yet half of you come on here and moan and gripe about how unfair it all is. Say Scotland were Independent tomorrow, Brown and Darling would more than likely be MSP's here - then who are you going to blame? (I know probably still the English but you know that is wearing a bit thin).

Besides, Whisky is a horrible drink if it wasnt "Scottish" no one would give two hoots about it.
68

Doh,

13/03/2008 10:07:59

I am very concerned that the increases in winter fuel allowance to pensioners, paid from general taxation,
will break the social contract.

Hopefully some academic will study this.
69

Paul R,

13/03/2008 10:29:13
59p on a bottle of whisky is a significant percentage increase. I love whisky but this will make me think twice about buying it in this country - I'm going on holiday in 3 months and I think I will load up at the other end. Even with the extra distribution costs involved with shipping whisky overseas it is still cheaper.
70

Edward,

13/03/2008 10:34:51
'Treasury officials insisted the projections were estimates and that revenues would flow from all drinks duties announced yesterday, allowing the Chancellor to fulfil his pledge to tackle child poverty'
So Labour elected into power in 1997 and still they have done nothing about child poverty
Labour and the Libdems came to power in Scotland in 1999 and they did nothing about child poverty in Scotland
Sorry Labour, times up, your out!
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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 10:47:34
We all know that when all the parties are canvasing they promise you the earth and everything that you want they will be happy to oblige as long as you vote them into power, then once they are in there all promises go out the windy and the are all buddies together robbing the poor to squander our money on what ever they fancy and whatever protest form the people who put them in power to rule the country in our best interests is completely ignored.

I.E. A pointless waste of money on a tramline for the tourist which is causing absolute mayhem as we have a perfectly excellent service running at the moment and does not need replaced with another disgrace of Edinburgh. do you think there could be a chance of the same thing happening to the tramline as what happened to the half built monument on top of Colton Hill (they run out of money to complete the job)

I don't suppose so there war cry will be no matter how much it cost we are quite happy to pour the peoples money down the drain to complete the project no matter how much it cost even though the people protest about how much we don't want the damn thing (buzz sound) we have started so we will finish no matter what the price.

How do the passengers get from the tram stop to the pavement without getting hit by a bus on the inside lane?
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Itchy,

13/03/2008 11:10:35
#71 "Besides, Whisky is a horrible drink if it wasnt "Scottish" no one would give two hoots about it."

Whisky is a great drink, you stupid cow. The fact that most of the stuff I drink is from Scotland is irrelevant to me. I also like Irish, btw.

Labour just hates success. They tax the successful whisky industry and prop up Northern Rock's failure with billions from the taxpayer.
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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

13/03/2008 11:17:31
Would you like a little bit of Brown Darling? OH yes please.
76

Rover75,

Vienna, Austria & Yeovil, Somerset 13/03/2008 11:36:16
Just remember one thing, if Gordon Brown would stop giving our money to the Africian countries,etc; then perhaps the increases on Spirits, Beer, Wine, Cider & Cigarettes would stop going up.
Also, don't forget, that the MP's don't pay taxes for their booze in Parliament (it's Tax-Free), typical!!
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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

13/03/2008 11:38:21
Could you throw in a little bit of flogging with some large Scottish Thistles as well please and could you please pour a bottle of Scottish Malt Whisky to clean the wounds I can afford it I will just chafge it to my expenses account which is financed by the people for me and others of my ilk.
78

Memyself&I,

13/03/2008 11:45:11
#78,..Stupid cow??? Bit harsh. Another keyboard terrorist in our midst? Personally I agree her, I too dislike the taste of whisky. Hardly a reason for calling someone a stupid cow.
#76 What a silly statement to make in my opinion - couldn't disagree with you more. I would much prefer my tax money went to the truely needy instead of financing the drug/smoking/whisky habits of workshy Scots. My tax money would benefit more if it was sent abroad - and people who would appreciate it, not those who expect it would benefit. Anyway, thats another debate altogether,.....

Booze sucks.
Generally speaking, anything that raises the price of booze is good IMO. Its quite shameful that it plays such a large part in Scottish Culture. Its really not that important to our economy.

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Disgrunted Ebardonian,

13/03/2008 11:47:15
Would you like a little bit of Brown Darling? OH yes please that's my speciality Screwing the Scots and their home grown products. You can buy them for less than what the Scots have to pay because they are taxed to the hilt.
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Matt there,

somewhere 13/03/2008 11:48:51
As Ed Balls would say: "Distillery industry wrecked? So what? Small breweries destroyed? So what? Pubs closed down, people on the dole? So what?"

And Hansard claims he really said: "So weak?" Codswallop!
81

Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 11:57:38
1. Spirits duty has not been raised for TEN YEARS.

2. This rise only adds 4% to the price of your average bottle.
82

Boggle fey the Bog,

13/03/2008 12:03:24
#63 jdships.

Don't rely on the extra 50 quid for your heating, as it is only a One off payment.

'introduced Winter Fuel Payments and committed to pay them at their current rates (£200 for households with someone over 60, £300 if over 80) for the lifetime of this Parliament. Alongside the Winter Fuel Payments, Budget 2008 announces an additional one-off payment of £100 to over-80s households and £50 to over-60s households in 2008-09;'

The above taken directly from P65, para 4.29 'Support For Pensioners', in the document Budget 2008, ref No. HC 388, published yesterday by HM Treasury.

All in all a budget that will do no one any good, why has he not increased the IT rate on earnings over £150k, why has he not made 'Fat Cats' bonuses subject to CGT.
Why is he attacking disabled people?
Why is he attacking pensioners?
Why is he attacking the people in this society, least able to defend themselves?

His faithers Torie credentials are now showing through in his genes.
The man's a disgrace, and a traitor to the Scottish people and the working classes.

It's well past Time!!!
83

Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 12:05:02
84. If you actually watched the clip on tv, "So weak" is exactly what he said, several times.

Nats again thinking that 'utter *ollocks' is an adequate replacement for 'lack of argument'.
84

Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 12:08:03
86. The one-off payment is a boost to compensate for current high heating costs.

How is giving extra benefits to pensioners "attacking them"?
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The ex Pat,

Unfortunately the UK 13/03/2008 12:09:22
Again, we see the action of a hopeless government who being unbale to punish the bing drinkingyobs have taken an easy option and hit at the law abiding citizen. Thought was the introduction of 24 Hour drinking just a tax scam?
Brown and Darling just get Scots a bad name.
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Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 12:10:08
The continued ignorance, ill-informed ranting and just outright lies from the nats is very disappointing.

I'm certainly no Labour voter but the nats' endless shrill ranting on here adds no benefit to the debate.
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kimba,

13/03/2008 12:13:16
A scotsman putting 59p on a bottle of whisky,never thought i'd see the day!
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 13/03/2008 12:25:28
"allowing the Chancellor to fulfil his pledge to tackle child poverty."

A government that didn't tax so excessively the every day transactions and lives of the populace wouldn't have poverty at they define it.

This Romano-Anglo government system is still hell bent on fueling imperial wars, surveillance of the populace that feeds and general interference into many lives that do not need government.


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 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/03/2008 12:28:08
90. he ranted, in a shrill way....
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Calum Crubag,

13/03/2008 12:45:31
Highland Mighty - why defend this tax hike? I can't think of many other countries who would tax so heavily one of their native and internationally reknowned prodcuts. The last figure i saw was that the whisky industry is worth more than £2billion to the Scots' economy. Or it would be if it wasn't swallowed up by a Westminster govt, hungry for cash to pay for their illegal wars and nuke subs.

Time for independence. Govt from London is corrupt, wasteful and outdated.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/03/2008 12:45:36
#85 Highland Mighty,13/03/2008 11:57:38

It equates to an extra 10p a knip* in the catering industry, minimum!!
Or £1.90 to £2.00 for a 3.5cl measure in a Pub, Hotel or Restaurant, and more for 'de luxe' and 'malts'.

Also the reason that the tax on spirits has not increased over the past ten years is that 'our rates of duty' on alcohol were out of line with the rest of the EU and put 'European produced alcoholic drinks' at a 'disadvantage', so our system had to be 'brought more in line' with the European Norm.
This does not mean 'reducing the duty' but more equalising' the 'ratio' between Wines, Ales and spirits.

and at #88
You've obviously missed the point, this £50 has been 'trumpeted as , being a major helping gesture to pensioners, when in fact all it is , is a 'one off' payment to try to placate the 'grey vote' over the obscene profits and wanton exploitation of fuel prices by oil and energy companies, with the complicity of this morally, politically and now almost financially bankrupt government.
In real terms energy prices at the 'raw' end have increased by approx. 38% to British and European companies, in the past 2 years. But we have seen energy prices more than double for the domestic user in the same period in the British Isles, (note the rate of increase in continental Europe is much less).
So if this is not an attack on pensioners, let alone the continued 'raiding' of private pension schemes, being carried out by these criminals. I really don't know what would be classed as one.
Perhaps you have some guidelines from Islington that you would like to share with us.


* spelling knip without the 'K' apparently creates an offensive wurd, AYE WRITE!!! this rag really is dogs droppings, when it doesn't even recognise Scottish words, the tarts!!!
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The Strategist,

13/03/2008 12:48:45
Don't forget that as of April 95% of Scottish companies will be paying more corporation tax, NI payments go up and the 10% tax band is scrapped.

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kimba,

13/03/2008 13:06:30
93. I suggest you take a long walk off a short pier,your mockery of my home town and the way you perceive us to speak is just showing what a ignorant individual you are,not only have I reported you to the editor but have sent a sample of you billious mockery to my local MP.
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Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 13:15:37
100
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Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 13:17:08
100 Centurion-yes. Beat that Natsos-Unionistas rule!

Sorry about that outburst. Tax on Whisky? Its enough to make you hit the bottle!
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Liz,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 13:19:08
#95
But why only the fuss about Whisky? Parts of Scotland and England are renowned for their breweries - tax on beer has gone up. Also cider is a vital to the economy in parts of the South West of England but taxes on cider have gone up too. I wish people on these boards would stop playing the victim on everything Westminster does.

And before you go too far down the illegal war route, no one in England wanted it to happen either, but we were taken to war by an Scots born and educated Prime Minister supported by his definatly Scottish Chancellor at the time, I think it is time to start laying the blame to somewhere slightly closer to home.
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Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 13:24:48
97. Corporation Tax is going DOWN below all our major competitors. As we are already the runaway favourite location for investing in Europe (and 2nd in the world - FAR more so than China, Japan, Germany, France etc.), have been for years and years, this is a very good thing. So how is this drop in taxes being spun as "more" corporation tax for Scottish companies and a bad thing?
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/03/2008 13:30:33
#92 Ard Righ,The Rock Of Edinburgh 13/03/2008 12:25:28

Agree with you there.

And how does this pack of sheep's gizzards tackle child poverty, or any poverty for that matter, why of course by increasing the lowest rate of income tax from 10p in the pound to 20p, this starts on April 1st.

They still levy the iniquitous 5% fuel levy, citing EU rules, well if we gotta have VAT on Domestic Fuel, then for sanity's sake 'rate it' at naught per cent!!!!, that one act alone would help every household in the land!!!

And if he needs more dosh, tax the 'fat cat bonuses' at the CGT rate, increase the higher rate of IT on earnings above £150k to 60p in the pound, job done!!
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Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 13:31:27
102. The whole world revolves around us. Didn't you know that?

According to the SNP, we subsidise the entire UK with our oil and whisky taxes (ignoring the fact that they only bring in a total of 1.5% of all tax income).

The fact that we pay more from our financial industry seems to bewilder them.

However, remember that such delusion is only suffered by a tiny minority of us, the overwhelming majority of us are quite normal.
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/03/2008 13:38:28
105
If taxes raised in Scotland were paid to Edinburgh rather than London I think you would find it is a wee bit more than 1.5%
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Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 13:42:56
104 The 10p tax is being scrapped so no-one pays any tax on the first £2,230 of earnings anymore.

I repeat, it's not being increased to 20%, it is being SCRAPPED COMPLETELY.

"Government confirmed that the 10 per cent rate on the first £2,230 of earnings will be abolished from April. The basic tax rate will be applied to earnings between £2,231 to £34,600, with the rate falling from 22 per cent to 20 per cent."

Get your facts right for once.
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Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 13:44:16
106. So Holyrood gets nothing from the UK Treasury at all? We give but receive nothing?
104

Highland Mighty,

13/03/2008 13:46:42
106. Did you know that Scottish public spending is 30% more than Ireland's entire national budget? The very same one that is subsidised quite handsomely by the EU?
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Janis *,

london 13/03/2008 14:30:23

Liz @ 102.. Quite. Gin, beer, cider & wine are all produced in England & Wales, these tax hikes will affect all the UK alcohol producers (the Monks @ Buckfast even)

I think this all needs to be put in perspective, 60p on a bottle of spirits (@ £12 minimum.) If anyone's weekly budget is being increased by more than £2, GP help is probably required.

Ken S from Reading @ 39, as wise as ever, has hit the nail on the head. Brown & Darling were voted in by you Scots, so it's up to you to sort them out.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/03/2008 14:49:51
#105 Highland Mighty,13/03/2008 13:31:27

You seem to have missed the point again,the Nats have highlighted that oil revenues and whisky revenues ARE not wholly allocated as being levied or paid in Scotland.

In the case of oil, the revenues are collected from an hitherto unknown, uncharted and unpopulated region of the 'United? Kingdom' called 'Extra Regio'( you cant' find it on any map), and in the case of Spirits, and don't forget that Scotland produces more than just whisky, the Excise duty has to be paid at the 'distillery' but is attributed to the 'Head Office' of the companies that own them, so it is in the majority of cases, registered as coming from England, as companies like Diaggeo, have their HQ's in London.
And as for CT, according to Broon, the only company in Scotland paying CT is the RBS! Aye Right!

As for your 1.5% of all tax income, that statement is very simplistic, that behoves your intellectual state,as these items are only part of the story along with IT, NICs, VAT, Stamp Duty, Car Tax, and various other Excise Duties paid IN Scotland BY Scottish companies and residents.
Currently about 30% of the revenue raised in Scotland and Scottish Territorial Waters, is 'retained' by Westminster and used for 'running' the rest of the United? Kingdom.

Far more than one would expect if it was based on a 'Population' share, where Scots would expect to see only 8.6% retained for 'Administrative costs', which pans out about £3.8Bn, not the current £11Bn (and this is a 'low end' estimate, the last GERS figures indicated it could be as much as £25Bn), that is grabbed at the moment.
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Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 15:06:14
110-Janis. Agree with your first two paragraphs. The issue is being blown out of proportion BUT and that is a BIG but, with Scots being particularly sensitive at present, this for me is another example of Labours blunderous lack of PR skills . Surely they must have seen that the SNP would seize on this as they have many similar issues lately, to further their cause and stir it up a bit more. Labour have an immense propensity to shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to Scotland and the Union.
111 Boggle-GERS-that would be as in"Come on you GERS?"
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Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 15:08:32
Meths 112-115-statistics,damn statistics. What about my 100?
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Roy Forrester,

Bloomsburg USA 13/03/2008 15:14:01
# 62
I wish to remind you that there are almost ten times the number of English MPs versus Scotish MPs at Weastminster so it is a case of the Scots treasury minister proposing but it is the English MPs voting.
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Geoff,

121 13/03/2008 15:14:23
120 meths-im a computer illiterate. What the **** does that mean? Is that a website?
111

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 15:16:06
121 Roy F-true but at Westminster they are all supposed to be wearing UNIONIST or British hats!
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Roy Forrester,

Bloomsburg USA 13/03/2008 15:17:27
My appologies for the typo errors:
I wish to remind you that there is almost ten times the number of English MPs versus Scottish MPs at Westminster so it is a case of the Scots treasury minister proposing but it is the English MPs voting.
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Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 15:20:09
Meths-whats a browser?!
Only kidding-I'll get the wife or son to help !
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Boggle fey the Bog,

13/03/2008 15:22:18
#107 are you real?

What you are saying is that the Tax Free Allowance is going to be REDUCED to £2,230 per annum, get a life!!

The personal allowance for 2008-9 is £5,435, so any tax due is paid at 20p in the pound up to £41,435 then the higher rate after that.
The £2,230 you refer to is actually the Allowance on savings that attracts a 10% rate, anything above that attracts a 20% tax rate, until you hit the upper limit and it then attracts 40%.

Do your homework!!!!

#116 Geoff,sa 13/03/2008 15:06:14

Sorry about that, it is an acronym for Government Expenditure and Receipts Scotland, the Westminster governments annual falsified accounts for Scotland known as G.E.R.S. not the Teddy Bears ;-)
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Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 15:25:57
128 Boggle-thanks for that! Was imagining the lads chanting"Come on you Government Expenditure and receipts Scootland!" Can u picture it! :)
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Janis *,

london 13/03/2008 15:48:38

Methalions I agree with you, these alcohol tax increases would affect Scotland more than the rest of UK, should people decide to to give up Whisky, gin etc. But will they, at 60p more a bottle?
As I said previously if it means someone is prepared to spend £2 more a week because the hikes, so be it, they will be a NHS problem soon, a different issue & an expensive problem.

Geoff (116) agree with you too! It's all so disappointing for Labour members or followers to see the party shoot itself in the foot so often.But I don't really just blame it on the Scottish Labour MP's. Other UK MP's seem to be doing their bit.
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Fanling,

Guangdong 13/03/2008 15:49:28
Darling and the rest of the Brown-coloured Westminster mafia will be out on their collective ear at the next General Election. That's a certainty. Good wine and malt whisky are two of my favourite civilised pleasures. That this latest damned tax was perpetrated by Scotsmen (alleged Scotsmen I mean) to the continuing detriment of a very special Scottish industry is shameful.
118

Shuggie,

Canada 13/03/2008 16:10:59
North American friends who visit Scotland are always surprised to find that the only place where they can buy Scotch (that's what they call it here) as cheaply as at home is at the airport Duty Free!
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 13/03/2008 16:34:55
So whisky is too expensive to buy, Petrol is too expensive to buy and cigarettes are too expensive to buy. Looks like I will need to buy some cheap drugs and fly everywhere...
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Florence,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 17:08:16
RE the winter fuel increase, I haven't heard one of the Labour-loving broadcasters point out that this is a ONE OFF payment.
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Edward,

13/03/2008 17:11:00
From idiot Darling being interviewed on BBC Radio Scotland ' Good Morning Scotland' : "I think the Scotch whisky industry is very important to Scotland, What is also important to Scotland is making sure that we get children out of poverty, that we help elderly people."
So he is linking directly the extra excise (its not duty by the way) to paying more money to the pensioners and getting the kids out of poverty
So drink more, the more you drink the more kids are taken out of poverty and your helping a pensioner
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Florence,

Edinburgh 13/03/2008 17:17:41
116 GEOFF: The Labour Scots who run your government just don't like Scotland. I'd be pretty hacked off in your position - all the plum jobs in the Westminster government taken by Scottish politicians (kept in place, of course, by West of Scotland Labour voters). No wonder they hate the SNP.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 13/03/2008 17:25:13
enough to drive you to drink not content with taking our oil now they want our whisky
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

13/03/2008 17:41:47
139 re 99 LOL.

beware, the Kimba has launched imaginery court actions against various posters, including myself. her court actions were not helped by her using a frim of lawyers which is actually a Mental Health drop in Centre at 70 Norton Road, Kimba-ville....(sad, but all too true)
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John Blackley,

Florida 13/03/2008 17:45:46
Haven't been here for a while (decided to see what happy, positive people sounded like) but the budget speech made me curious - and my curiousity was rewarded by my guess about the content of this page being spot-on.

And what a load of tripe it mostly is. I'll save space by not quoting the usual bilge that's served up here as comment. Instead, I'll move on to make my point.

This Labour government has always increased the total tax burden on the British servants....er, cattle........er, population. The conservative government before them did so too and the Labour government before that and the Consevative government before that. (That's as far back as I remember). The next government - no matter what shade it is - will also increase the total tax burden on the.........weary citizens. See a trend here?

Meanwhile, each government continues to spend vast sums on things for which it has no mandate. (Insert favourite vein-bulger here) and "representatives of the people" - often particularly government ministers - will continue to act as if they are a higher class of being than the tax cattle they 'represent'.

In other countries, the cattle turn on their masters. Streets are filled with protesters, civil disobedience prevails until a different approach to governing is found. In Britain (where many political practices are so egregious that the perpetrators deserve to be pilloried), people whine and moan and shrug and say, "Well what can you do?"

What one can do is grow a spine and refuse to be a sheep any longer.
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Stephen fae Scotland,

Folsom 13/03/2008 17:52:07
Well said no.62!

New Labour - same old tax and spend. The answer is ont more financial illiteracy from the Gnats - the answer is to open the economy not close it with date tax ideas...
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Stephen fae Scotland,

Folsom 13/03/2008 17:55:23
Man I can NOT type today for nuthin!
129

jjw,

Fort Worth 13/03/2008 17:58:44
Glad i am a friend of Bill W.
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Richardinho,

13/03/2008 18:07:48
So it wont raise any money, and it can't be to stop binge drinking, as binge drinkers are least likely to drink it.

So is it anything more than a vindictive piece of anti-Scottishness?
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Stephen fae Scotland,

Folsom 13/03/2008 18:21:57
How likely is it that something is "vindictinve anti-Scottishness" from a Scot representing a Scottish seat?

You know why perple are justified in calling the Gnats the "Scottish Talliban"? Because no one is Scottish enough for them if anyone disagrees with them or their orthodoxy...

Listen up Gnats - there are Scots that totally disagree with your policies - that doesn not make them any less Scottish - no matter what the McTalliban play book says!
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Richardinho,

13/03/2008 19:01:22
'How likely is it that something is "vindictinve anti-Scottishness" from a Scot representing a Scottish seat?'

Pretty likely from the Labour party which having nursed a pathological hatred of the SNP for years now turns that against Scotland as a whole now that the SNP are in government here.
133

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 19:39:57
Meths-just got back from dins with wif who helped me download. The cake is lovely-dont know what to say.
Fondest
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Sambo,

The deep south 13/03/2008 19:45:07
I recall back in the 80's the US government slapped a tax on luxury goods such as yachts. The result was a decline in yacht sales and the employees that worked in the factories that produced them were out of a job.
Just wonder how the additional tax on Jaguars and Land Rovers will affect the workers that build them should sales drop.
135

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 19:47:04
137 Florence-ta for your comment. I wouldnt vote for them-more of an issues than a party man-wouldnt know who to vote for in the UK nowadays. By upbringing tory lite, but have to acknowledge that Alex salmond is by far the most astute political leader in britain today. Cameron,Clegg clones of each other-too smarmy. I liked Charlie Kennedy and had a soft spot for Ming. Gordon Brown is just not up to the job altho I admired tony blair for his charm,intellect,charisma before the Iraq thing.
136

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 19:50:46
132 Meths-hows yer abacus-I'm really slow tonight-?
137

Geoff,

sa 13/03/2008 19:57:47
Meths -theres a google Ad on the bottom of the page-"Do I drink too much wine?" Maybe thats me tonight-again loved the cake but dont get the abacus one.
150 Florence-lacklustre leaders from all UK parties have predominated in recent years. William Hague has improved with age and I like Annabel Goldie. I would overhaul UK politics to elect people from loose groupings and then allow free votes on issues rather than have to toe the party line. Sorry-gone off the subject a little
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/03/2008 21:49:32
152
Geoff.
Slow computer=Abacus:-)
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Itchy,

13/03/2008 22:18:46
"How likely is it that something is "vindictinve anti-Scottishness" from a Scot representing a Scottish seat?"

Bet your life savings on it. Given that his tax hike is not going to raise any revenue, by his own admission, what other reason can there be for imposing it?

Labour think they have a divine right to rule in Scotland and this is just another attempt to dish the Nats.

#82 "Booze sucks.
Generally speaking, anything that raises the price of booze is good IMO. Its quite shameful that it plays such a large part in Scottish Culture. Its really not that important to our economy."

Servile socialist drivel. The concepts of free choice and free will and individual responsibility obviously mean nothing to you.
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Itchy,

13/03/2008 22:38:27
#82 btw the statement from #71 that we only care about whisky because it's Scottish is asinine.
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SlyFifer,

California 13/03/2008 23:01:10
News for #29. A 1.5litre bottle of J&B in my local store = 31.75 dollars roughly 15.70 at todays rate.
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Am Bodach,

14/03/2008 16:54:31
99 kimba,13/03/2008 13:06:30
93. "I suggest you take a long walk off a short pier,your mockery of my home town and the way you perceive us to speak is just showing what a ignorant individual you are,not only have I reported you to the editor but have sent a sample of you billious mockery to my local MP."

and we is reporting you to the epa for contaminating the drains in teeside cos you is a big fat stinky poo so there put that in your pipe n smoke it hah thats got you LOL all english are bed wetting inbreds they must be very proud of you cos you is so brainy n you can use computers n stuf LOL what school did you go to woz it approved bet they is all as brainy as you LOL

 

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