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Universities 'get less cash' since devolution



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Published Date: 23 September 2008
UNIVERSITIES are getting a lower proportion of Scotland's overall budget than when the Scottish Parliament opened in 1999, say principals.
Professor Anton Muscatelli, convener of umbrella group Universities Scotland and principal of Heriot-Watt, will tell the parliament's education committee tomorrow that there has been a real-term drop of 0.2 per cent in the past year in cash for unive
rsities.

The economist will say Scotland is making only modest increases in funding, compared with significant increases invested by rival nations. He will argue that matching the investment made by other countries will be impossible if the next spending review does not provide substantially more cash.

Prof Muscatelli said: "It is straightforwardly the case that the proportion of the Scottish Parliament's budget invested in higher education has fallen since devolution.

"There may be very good reasons why these decisions were made, but it does show that the current financial position of universities is a result of political decisions taken over the last ten years."

Universities Scotland has submitted evidence to the committee which says in 1999 the total Scottish Government budget was £16,213 billion and universities received £589 million – 3.63 per cent. In 2009-10, Scotland has £34,760.5 billion and universities will receive £1.1 billion – 3.16 per cent of the budget.

Prof Muscatelli said that, given the current crisis in the financial sector, universities had a crucial role to play in retraining the workforce.

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said Westminster had imposed the tightest settlement since devolution and that Holyrood was investing a higher proportion of its spending on Scotland's universities than the previous administration – a 2.9 per cent real-term increase.

She added: "Universities have also received additional funding totalling £70 million since the Spending Review was published, taking Scottish Government investment in the sector to more than £1 billion a year."

Before the election last year, university principals had said £168 million was needed to stay competitive with English universities, which charge fees. But they were left disappointed with just £30 million for the next year.

BACKGROUND

TODAY marks the final meeting of the Joint Future Thinking Taskforce, set up between government and university principals to investigate future funding for the sector.

A draft report concludes Scotland needs more postgraduate places and universities need more state funding to compete with universities South of the Border, which can charge fees.

However, critics slammed the venture as a talking shop and a face-saving exercise for both sides.

University rectors, unusually, joined forces to criticise those draft conclusions and demand representation for students and lecturers on the taskforce.

However, they supported the call for more cash.





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  • Last Updated: 22 September 2008 10:49 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Embra Don,

23/09/2008 01:38:40
"in 1999 ... the universities received £589 million – In 2009-10 ..... universities will receive £1.1 billion"

Doesn't quite stack up with the headline does it? It appears that inverted commas in a Scotsman headline indicate that a lie is incorporated for journalistic effect.
2

GQuestAlex,

San Francisco 23/09/2008 05:37:57
As a Heriot-Watt graduate I feel for them. Why don't they just pull down from their private sector endowments. Ooops sorry no endowments in Scotland because most studentss can wait to GTF out of these PP institiutions where the PROF sit on their Butts with their hands out looking for gov money
3

Peekay,

23/09/2008 07:06:28
As I have said before, the easy way out of this is for the Scottish Universities to reduce the number of Scottish students and fill up with overseas (non-EC)students paying fees. If #3 represents the quality of Scottish graduates at present, it will be no loss.
4

denrobocop,

23/09/2008 08:08:58
What a load of chancers.

So the pie has doubled in size, but their slices expansion has stopped a feew percentage points short of doubling, and in their fantasy world thats a bad deal!

So someone who has been made redundant can afford to take four years out of the work place to re-train? What kind of circle do these people move in?
5

Vote UKIP,

23/09/2008 08:16:29
That's why we need a UKIP government!!!!
6

Bigwull,

edinburgh 23/09/2008 08:34:40
6 away back to reading mein kampf.
7

Boy Wonder,

23/09/2008 08:59:25
Too many Universities. And we've had this discussion several times in the last year on this forum!
8

The Answer,

Glasgow 23/09/2008 10:02:05
8% is scotlands population % of the UK

LESS THAN

7% is scotlands share of new UK undergraduates entering university 2008.

tinyurl.com/4oj5mv

9

LVT,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:05:50
No. 9, like, er, stop going on about this, will you- it's very boring.
10

Martin_edinburgh,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:07:08
This is what happens when higher education has to rely on the state for handouts. Unless and until Universities cut the apron strings and fully fund themselves through fees and alumni giving, Scottish universities will continue to be cash strapped. The state has "better" things it would rather spend its money on: universities need to realise that and stop squabbling over larger or smaller pieces of the meagre state pie.
11

The Answer,

Glasgow 23/09/2008 10:15:20
#9
Sorry if the fact's of scotlands education postion in the UK offends you!!

Universities in scotland allready charge fee's for scottish domiciled students, however the fee's are paid by the "scottish government" to universities.

If in future "fee's" were to be payable by student's, then scottish universities would see no extra income, as the "scottish government" would simply stop paying said fee's..

Whatever the outcomes, scotlands university sector has been pushed into a corner and only mergers and bankruptcy will be the end results..
12

Darien,

Panama 23/09/2008 10:32:03
"Prof Muscatelli said ...universities had a crucial role to play in retraining the workforce."
This is code for "Oops, we have educated far too many people for 'financial services' careers".

Is this the same Prof Muscatelli who is advising the McCalman's Unionist BritNat Commission? He should ask Hen Broon aboot shortchangin the Scots budget. http://www.commissiononscottishdevolution.org.uk/about/index.php

13

LVT,

Edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:43:14
12

My point is, what is your point? Just repeating a stat is meaningless. Scotland has a relatively small and declining cohort of teenagers, and therefore the proportion of its native population entering university is in relative decline compared to England. We also have low unemployment and a higher proportion of our working age population in work than England.

Our universities are nimble enough to take students from elsewhere, as they always have, so we have a thriving "export" industry of overseas students.

I wouldn't object to mergers, but I think the state funding is more than adequate. Before anyone needs to consider bringing in tuition fees, there is plenty of room to improve efficiency.
14

thinking,

Scotland 23/09/2008 10:56:19
'Universities in scotland allready charge fee's for scottish domiciled students, however the fee's are paid by the "scottish government" to universities.'
I really do object to the constant use of the term funding etc by the Government/Executive, whether it be Scottish or British. Taxpayers provide the money, not Governments and the term 'funded by the taxpayer should be used. That way we will all be reminded that what is being done is being done with OUR money
15

Calvinist,

23/09/2008 11:26:57
Now that the service sector has imploded and we have no manufacturing industry to speak of, it's time to invest in a Knowledge Based Economy. We have the people and skills to do this but successive governments have shown a complete lack of vision here. It would not take huge sums of money to achieve this (much cheaper than bailing out spiv-run banks). What is so depressing is that there is no vision or leadership from our political masters on this issue.
16

Calvinist,

23/09/2008 11:34:12
#8 Too many Universities. And we've had this discussion several times in the last year on this forum!

Really so you would prefer a return to elitist education for the sons of lairds?

Is education ever wasted? The problem with people like you is that you don't understand the difference between education an training. What happed to the noble Scottish tradition of education for it's own sake? It's interesting that the first step towards totalitarianism usually entails the restriction of higher education to those that tow the party line.
17

Miss H,

23/09/2008 11:37:59
Historically the biggest increase in spending since devolution has gone into the NHS. People may argue whether that is right or wrong but it is what the majority of voters, of all parties, wanted to see.
18

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

23/09/2008 12:05:05
"The economist will say Scotland is making only modest increases in funding, compared with significant increases invested by rival nations."
What isn't said is that these rival nations include
England, Wales and Ulster. These cutbacks are decreed
by central government and affect the entire nation, not just Scotland. This is another blatant attempt to blame devolution for the failings of another place.
What is required is for the limited funding to be targetted at necessary research and teaching and the support services for them, but who and how do we decide
such priorities? If you want to afford everything then taxes are going to have to increase, as we should not involve powerful vested interests in such processes.

19

The Answer,

Glasgow 23/09/2008 12:31:30
LVT,Edinburgh 23/09/2008 10:43:14

"We also have low unemployment and a higher proportion of our working age population in work than England"

Another myth from scotland!

23% is the size of the public sector in scotland
19% is the size of the public sector in England

Yorkshire and The Humber and Scotland both same size populations

yet

585,000 public sector workers in scotland
486,000 public sector workers in Y+H

and

1,440,000 economically active males in Y+H
1,396,000 economacally active males in scotland

and

1,344,000 males in employment Y+H
1,234,000 males in employment scotland

if the scots cant even perform better than Y+H , how are they going to compete against London or the S East

20

Sedov,

Sedovia 23/09/2008 13:37:27
A picture seems to be emerging in Scottish higher education of falling standards ( Universities) and reducing investment. All this on top of a nation that is being divided more and more by the rhetoric of bourgeois nationalism under Salmond. I fear for my country under the SNP. Lets hope Labour can get its act together and quickly - there's not a moment to lose.
21

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 23/09/2008 13:50:30
As they say -The proof of the pudding is in the eating - so this is real evidence of the impact of the SNP admistration on a sector that has to be the real hope for our wee nation if we are to have any competitive edge in the global economy. This is a disgrace but not surprising after the handouts for populist motives -"free" bridge crossing, "free" prescriptions, etc. The SNP are con merchants and look at all you lot who have been conned by them - go on, take a look in the mirror?
22

magister,

glasgow 23/09/2008 14:12:28
The government could save a great deal of money simply by closing the universities completely. Given the collapse in standards which has taken place over recent decades - I doubt whether an Ordinary degree today is the equal of good Sixth Year Studies passes under the old selective system - the repercussions for the national economy would be minimal. In fact, left to their own devices and with access to the internet, truly motivated students would, I suspect, quickly surpass the undemanding standards of Scotland's universities of today.
23

Embra Don,

23/09/2008 15:59:33
#20 The Answer

Ah right - think I'm getting your point at last! Scots are all useless, idle thickets who can't stand on their own feet without England - is that it?

Well I, for one, am prepared to take my chances and relieve England of its terrible burden.
24

Embra Don,

23/09/2008 16:07:23
#22 Liberal for life

Let me see - there is alleged to have been a 0.2% fall in real terms this year, and that can be accounted for by a reduction, "in real terms" in the pocket money allocated to us. The the rest of the alleged shortfall must have occurred under the eight years of Labour/Liberal administration n'est pas?
25

BorderLineScottish,

23/09/2008 17:56:15
#20 The Answer

It's people like you with your bigoted remarks that help perpetuate this cross-border rivalry with your typically English view of life in Scotland.

I suppose you reside in the south-east, don't you, you soft, southern shandy-drinking tw@t!
26

Vote UKIP,

23/09/2008 19:23:52
Look, UKIP is not right wing. We're just ordinary people who believe that British people are capable of running Britain. We don't need a bunch of unelected eurocrats in Brussels telling us what to do!!!

If you think that's so bad, then perhaps YOU should go back to reading Mein Kampf. You're certainly not a patriotic UKIPer.

The good people of Scotland want UKIP to represent them, you just wait and see.
27

Darien,

Panama 23/09/2008 20:13:32
#21 Sedov: "Lets hope Labour can get its act together and quickly - there's not a moment to lose."
You appear to be serious, which is worrying. As they say on these boards, seek help.

#22 Liberal with a life penalty - relax, take a few pills, have wee rest - and prepare for political oblivion.

#27: The problem with 'British people', Hen Broon and his Darling included, is that in their world Scotland disnae really exist. Most thinking Scots dinnae like that. That's why we're a' votin SNP!



28

JG,

Fife 23/09/2008 20:29:29
#17 Calvanist
"Really so you would prefer a return to elitist education for the sons of lairds?"

Actually no. That was wrong too. The best students should be sent to unvrsity, irrespective of class or affluence.

 

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