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Violent partners to face drinking ban



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Published Date: 19 August 2008
MEN accused of assaulting their partners face being banned from drinking alcohol, under a radical plan to tackle the rising tide of domestic abuse.
In an attempt to sever the link between drinking and violence in the home, police and prosecutors are set to seek alcohol consumption bail orders, which would mean accused individuals having to turn up at police stations for regular alcohol tests.

If they prove a success, the orders – which would be the first of their kind to be pursued by police and prosecutors in Scotland – could be used for people accused of other offences linked to alcohol.

Details of the scheme, which could be in force by the autumn, are still being discussed by senior officers and Crown officials. But last night, some experts branded the idea unworkable, as it would be too difficult to police.

Campbell Corrigan, the acting assistant chief constable at Strathclyde Police, revealed the plan to members of his force's police board last week.

He said the orders would be targeted at offenders who were drunk at the time they harassed or physically attacked their partners or former spouses.

Police usually see a big rise in domestic-abuse incidents at the weekend, when alcohol is more likely to play a part. On the night Scotland lost to Italy in the Euro 2008 qualifier last November, 126 domestic abuse incidents were reported in Strathclyde, compared with a Saturday average of 92.

The force has a detailed profile of domestic-abuse offenders, and will target those where alcohol is most closely linked to their offending.

Mr Corrigan said: "If you can take out one factor that will stop that person being reassaulted, you should have the ability to ban alcohol for those type of people.

"The Crown are very supportive of this at the moment. We may seek for it to be widened out to other offences."

Lily Greenan, the manager of Scottish Women's Aid, said the orders were "an interesting concept" that could reduce the number of repeat attacks.

She said: "We are always concerned when people try to link alcohol as a causal factor of domestic abuse. But there's no doubt, in terms of reports to the police, alcohol is a trigger point for incidents of violence.

However, she said bail orders would be "contentious" and could raise human rights concerns.

There are also worries about the efficiency of testing, as alcohol does not remain in the bloodstream for that long. For example, if a person consumes seven pints of beer on a night out, the alcohol could be out of their system within 18 hours.

Sandra White, an SNP MSP for Glasgow, said: "It is an interesting concept, but the idea is unworkable and it would be impossible to police."

Dr Mairead Tagg, a psychologist who works with victims of domestic abuse, accused the authorities of "missing the point". She said: "The concept that men only abuse their partners when they are drunk is nonsense. How does that account for all the cases where alcohol is not involved?" "Domestic abuse is a very complex thing, and to focus on alcohol is very unhelpful."

The orders are part of an ongoing drive to reduce violence, particularly domestic abuse, launched at the start of the year by Strathclyde Police.

Latest figures show violence against women in the home is at an all-time high. A 7 per cent rise in recorded incidents of abuse took the number of cases in Scotland last year to more than 48,000, but a victim survey has revealed many incidents go unreported, and the true number could be as high as 250,000.

Those accused of domestic abuse-related offences – usually breach of the peace and assault – are already subject to bail conditions that stop them going back to the home of their victim. But breach rates among perpetrators of domestic violence are notoriously high. An evaluation of the domestic abuse court in Glasgow found 28 per cent of offenders had been on bail.

This year, officers from Strathclyde have carried out more than 1,400 home visits to check whether an accused was continuing to harass and attack his ex-partner. The visits, many of which were made repeatedly to the same home, resulted in 173 arrests for breach of bail.

Helen Hughes, chairwoman of the Scottish Family Law Association, gave the new bail order plan a cautious welcome – but said police had to recognise that alcohol itself was not the underlying cause of domestic abuse.

"Anything that deters an abuser from committing an act of violence or abuse towards an ex-spouse has to be welcomed," she said. "But the difficulty I have with this is how do you police it? Alcohol only stays in the system for a relatively short period.

"I would also have concerns as bail conditions only last as long as the case is outstanding. As soon as the trial begins, the conditions fall.

"The alcohol problem may well be long-standing and will need long-standing solutions. A bail order on its own will do little to tackle the problem. There also needs to be help to tackle the alcohol addiction.''

A Crown Office spokeswoman said: "I can confirm that a proposal from the police is under discussion."


ANALYSIS - Dr Mairead Tagg

THERE is a danger that this project trivialises domestic violence. It minimises the impact of domestic abuse and reduces it to the status of a Saturday-night drunk.

This is not about men and women holding their own in a fight. It is about coercive control.

Some of these people also have alcohol problems. They have a proclivity to use violence and to assume that one thing causes the other is nonsense.

I also think the concept that men only abuse their partners when they are drunk is nonsense.

How does that account for all the cases where alcohol is not involved? It is playing to the old myths that bad drink causes domestic abuse.

We need to do proper assessment on these men, which would be a far more useful exercise.
Analysis - Dr Mairead Tagg: Focus on alcohol as root of violence not the answer

THERE is a danger that this project trivialises domestic violence. It minimises the impact of domestic abuse and reduces it to the status of a Saturday-night drunk.

A lot of these men abuse women without drinking. It is ludicrous because domestic abuse is very complex and to focus on alcohol is very unhelpful.

Most of these people go home and batter their wives. They don't behave violently towards other people.

I'd like the police to explain how these men drink outside the house and don't fight with anyone, but wait until they get home and the violence is targeted towards their partner.

Alcohol is a red herring because there are other factors.

This is not about keeping people sober and solving the problem. If someone has alcohol dependency that's their primary focus.

If a man passes the alcohol tests and still abuses the woman, what will they say then? His lawyer will say he hasn't breached the alcohol test. I don't see what possible use this is going to be. It would be better to increase the number of domestic abuse liaison officers to give them more clout.

We want these guys to be addressing their behaviour at all levels with proper risk assessment. Agencies would then have an idea of what they are dealing with.

When you just put it all down to alcohol, are we really saying that the person who drinks the most is the most dangerous? Clearly that is not the case.

It's great that (the government is] trying to do something and I fully understand that alcohol is a worry, but there are better ways of dealing with this and focusing on alcohol is a dangerous path to go down.

• Dr Mairead Tagg is a psychologist who works with women who have suffered domestic violence.

FACT BOX

• DOMESTIC violence has reached a record high in Scotland, as figures show there were 48,801 incidents recorded in 2006-07, a 7 per cent increase compared to the 45,812 incidents recorded in 2005-06.

• This continues the steady increase in incidents reported since 1999-2000, the first year for which reliable data is available.

• Just under half of the incidents recorded in 2006-07 (23,803) led to the recording of a crime or offence.

• The most common crime or offence recorded in 2006-07 remained the offence of minor assault, 22 per cent (10,578) of all incidents, with breach of the peace, 15 per cent (7,455), the second most common.

• Cases with a female victim and male perpetrator represented nearly 87 per cent of all incidents of domestic abuse where this information was recorded, down by less than half of 1 per cent from 2005-06.

• When looking at the incidence per 100,000 population, females are at most risk of being victims of domestic abuse when aged between 22 and 25 and males when aged between 36 and 40.

• Incidents of domestic abuse recorded by the police involving co-habitees or partners accounted for 42 per cent of all cases.

• The overwhelming majority of incidents of domestic abuse took place in the home/house (90 per cent of all incidents where the location was recorded).


The full article contains 1578 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 19 August 2008 10:32 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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dtaj wmt gaga,

19/08/2008 00:17:48
Yep, I can really see this working.

Alcoholic, wife beating thugs reading this as they surf the Interwebby must be quakeing in their trainers!

Who writes this stuff?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 00:23:20

These foolish Animals, have brought this on themselves, whilst the "drinking alcohol ban" concept may not go down well with some that shout,...
..'civil liberties' one must remember it is everyone's 'civil liberty', to feel and be safe in their home, and elsewhere infact!

There is 'Absolutely' NO Place for "Domestic Abuse in our society!
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Resolutions,

19/08/2008 00:26:23
#1 Well what do you suggest is done to tackle this problem?

Is his not worth a try, as you have got to start somewhere? The fact that this is being monitored may just be the trigger to get help for their addiction.
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somerferg,

perth 19/08/2008 01:37:03

#4/5 - idiotic comments.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 01:54:40

Why do some find it 'Funny' to mock this issue, you should be ashamed of yourselves!
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Statsman,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 02:14:31
This isn't the USA. Banning people from drinking alcohol is draconian and will be spread to other activities the fascist state doesn't like. The whole premise of the argument is that if someone beats their wife and then drinks, then doesn't beat their wife and drinks alcohol, they are then guilty of the crime of imbibing alcohol.

If the guy isn't beating his wife, what law has he broken? If he is beating his wife, there are already penalties in place to deal with that which include protecting his wife by sending him to prison. The logical conclusion of this spurious argument is that all alcohol should be banned to protect people.

I am very wary of these trojan horse concepts. They simply serve as a device for the police to arrest people for nothing.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 02:30:56

Statsman ~30,

Agreed! it will be a difficult one to implement and with all the 'Anti Booze' campaigns, one wonders if it is for the, topic reason.

We do however Know that "Drinking Alcohol" for some does lead to violence and even murder, but at the same time, this is a small percentage, a percentage that must be controlled, but not to the department of others.
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Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 03:50:46
Funny that this would appear as a headline the day after Sean Connery was a headline. Wife-beating must be this week's theme.
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Regulator,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 04:23:32
Let's all admit that there is a problem, there are violent men and violent women. As one of the earlier posts stated, men are usually bigger and stronger than women, so generally a violent man can do more damage to a woman than vice versa. Many years ago, on Talk Radio I heard that there were only about 6000 places for abused women to seek refuge, but probably more pertinant was that there were only 30 places (i.e. places for 30 individuals)for abusive men to seek help in curtailing their aggression. I enjoy a good drink, well over the governments recommended intake and I don't become aggressive, it doesn't make me get more angry in a situation than I would be if I'm stone cold sober, I am less able to control myself, so I would assume that if I was inclined to abuse, then with a drink in me, I would be more likely to do it than if sober. Thus, if I didn't drink I would be less likely to do it. Does this cure me of my aggressive tentdencies? Obviously not, I need help to get this under control. If I was receiving help, then I would tend to agree that curtailing alcohol intake would probably assist in my treatment, but if all that was being done was that I was being banned from enjoying a drink, then I think over time the aggression would surface without the help of alcohol, with, most likely worse consequences.
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Jim A,

19/08/2008 06:03:07
I grew up with a father who was both a drunk and a wife beater. Back then for some reason probably for the sake of the kids women put up with it. I watched my mother put up with it for years. On my very first leave from the Army I came home one afternnon to hear my Dad shouting at my mother and punching her. I guess all the years of watching that stuff made something inside me snap, I just saw red and I set about that man like I have never done and never want to do again. Put him in hospital for a long time, nearly ruined my Army career, only good people spoke up for me and I wasn't comvicted. Before I went back I went to see him in hospital. I told him if he ever touched my Mother again I would come back and finish the job, prison time be damned, I meant it. He never touched my mother again. Unfortunately it's not just the women who suffer through this, no child should ever have to see his father hitting his mother.
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Jim A,

19/08/2008 06:04:37
Forgot to add, I like a drink, been married many many years. I have never lifted my hand to my wife and never will. She's my best friend, why would I want to do such a thing?
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Jim A,

19/08/2008 06:06:25
Please excuse typo's.
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calum,

19/08/2008 06:21:08
#31 - Quite right. Presumably this arrangement will apply to violent women, of whom there is an increasing number, common law partners, same same civil partnerships etc. etc..
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yockel,

19/08/2008 06:27:41
According tio the statistics in this story it's football that should be banned.
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Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 19/08/2008 06:42:56
Yet again the idea of "somestic violence" is wilfully misrepresented as being something that men do to women.

Anyway, the only worthwhile response to domestic violence (against an adult, anyway) is the quickest possible end to the relationship. To willingly remain in such a relationship is to tacitly condone the violent behaviour.
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Boy Wonder,

19/08/2008 07:10:57
As a boy growing up I witnessed many men committing violence against their wives that would not be tolerated today. Most of it fuelled by the stop-off at the pub after work. Thankfully, most of my generation has learned the lesson ... but there are still recidivists out there. And we must enforce a Zero Tolerance against this kind of thing that brutalises not only the wife, but entire families. Children shouldn't have to grow up fearing their dads ... or mothers come to that!

Whatever it takes to stop domestic violence ... do it! By whatever legal means available at hand!
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Royster,

19/08/2008 07:19:37
Love the picture on the home page. Are these 2 Scotsman journos having a go at each other?
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Kate,

Zurich 19/08/2008 07:44:11
Very few postings here acknowledge the fact that the article is about domestic violence, not just wife beating. Men and women are violent and although it is mostly the men against women (or children) aspects which are brought to public attention, this about violence of all sorts within the confines of a family.

As Charles has said, violence of any sort is abhorrent, but it would be practically impossible to monitor and enforce this in private homes.
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Helmut Smegma,

Cheeseburg,PA. 19/08/2008 07:47:15
What a futile plan.
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Climate change is a fraud,

19/08/2008 07:56:49
NuLabour seriously need to consider installing telescreens in every home in the country.

I wouldn't be surprised if they've already thought of that. Perhaps our Telewest/Sky boxes have secret pinhole cameras already!

www.infowars.com
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Xena - Warrior Princess,

19/08/2008 07:59:01
I agree it is pretty futile, how could they enforce it? The only good thing is that a man or woman could not blame the booze for their violence as is the norm and promise endlessly that it won't happen again.
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Scotish Exile,

19/08/2008 08:04:06
The thing that I don't understand, is why do women live, sometimes for years, with a violent partner?

This proposal is nonsense, how can it be enforced? ASBO's are a waste of time and money, this will be just the same. Nanny state gone totally mad
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lachlan,

19/08/2008 08:04:37
workable or not,it starts sending out the message that being drunk is not an excuse.and drunken behaviour is not acceptable.
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Kate,

Zurich 19/08/2008 08:09:34
#48 Scottish Exile, my mother said that she was simply too scared as my father always said he would come after her and drag her back! When she eventually did leave it was only with the support of a team of people with a van and 3 muscly men, who basically grabbed my mother's stuff and acted more or less as body guards. My parents, amazingly still do things together, theatre, dinners and so on, but Mum just had to get out. Dad was drinking upwards of a bottle of Scotch every night and boasting about all the prostitutes he had had. If things did not go his way, out would come the fists... I know, I saw it and felt it on more than one occasion.
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 19/08/2008 08:38:31
If just the tiniest proportion of the social damage resulting from this pernicious drug were caused by, for instance, cannabis or ecstasy, just imagine the tabloid headlines.

But alcohol is, of course, a marvellous drug - totally legal, advertised without any controls and peddled on every street corner by supermarkets, shops and bars. Two boxes of Old Wifebeater for £16. Anyone for Scotland's world-famous whisky trail?

Can the Hootsmon recommend a fix for the day from its extensive alcoholic promotions?
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voltaire's janny,

19/08/2008 08:44:41
With the state's overwhelming success in curtailing drug use it makes such good sense, does it not, to extend these achievements to another mood altering chemical that makes some folks aggressive. All this does is defelect the blame. It wisnae me it wis the drink; ah luv her really.

If society punished the behaviour and shamed the perpetrator instead of hand wringing about angst, motivation or anger management, we would all be better off.

If you or I were to catch a teen tagging a bus shelter and deliver a clip round the ear then, assuming the wimp didn't pull a chib, today's jurisprudence would do nothing at all to the vandal, but the intervening citizen would be on a charge for sure.

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Media 1,

cape town 19/08/2008 09:10:23
Why not just jail people who beat other people?
You know, arrest them, put them on trial and then throw them in a cell and treat them harshly.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 09:24:04
Is this Kenny MacAskill's latest brainwave?

Rediculous.
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aljok.23,

the world 19/08/2008 09:25:01
What an exceptional idea. This should work in producing a better society. Especially as the Media 1's of this world would be turned by having to conform to a new way of thinking too. Hooray!
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aljok.23,

the world 19/08/2008 09:25:14
What an exceptional idea. This should work in producing a better society. Especially as the Media 1's of this world would be turned by having to conform to a new way of thinking too. Hooray!
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Helmut Smegma,

Cheeseburg,PA 19/08/2008 09:46:50
#48 - usually financial reasons,keeping (what`s left of) the family together and unbelievably,love!
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Iain D,

Tunbridge Wells 19/08/2008 09:50:17
As has been pointed out higher up from the evidence, printed in the report, football was the cause of the violence.

/On the night Scotland lost to Italy in the Euro 2008 qualifier last November, 126 domestic abuse incidents were reported in Strathclyde, compared with a Saturday average of 92/

Perhaps it would be better to ban louts from watching football.
It is interesting this story is out on day that another story about the rise in alcohol fuelled air rage is doing the rounds. Perhaps we are being softened up for similar bans on alcohol now the puritans have all but won their smoking battle.
Whatever the reason, alcohol restrictions on adults smacks of school days: "because one of you misbehaved the whole class has to do detention". Punish the perpetrators not the entire citizenry.

In case it is not clear I do not think that any form of violence is acceptable be it relationship or stranger based.
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Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 19/08/2008 09:50:40
I'm sure the root causes of most domestic abuse stem from frustrations - financial, social, emotional, etc - and alcohol merely releases the inhibitions that normally keep the violence in check.

These situations are rarely completely one-sided and it would be interesting to know how many instances of domestic violence have flared up when BOTH partners were drunk.

On paper, this is a good idea but it doesn't need any new legislation. The courts are already perfectly capable of ordering anyone who is convicted of any offence where alcohol has been an issue to ban them from drinking and to take regular tests as a condition of a suspended sentence. All that is required is the will of the Scottish Government to provide the funding for enforcement of such bail conditions. As always, any legislation that cannot be, or is not, enforced, is not a law but a half-hearted rule.
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Mcsnagpile,

19/08/2008 10:16:03
Having lived in many countries for many years, where alcohol is banned, my experience is that in these countries, women’s rights are abused and they are treated more badly, in fact men are allowed to beat their wives without retribution..
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ColinMz,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 10:22:09
How on earth can an alcohol ban be enforced properly?
If those banned from drinking alcohol comply, they might well be short tempered (or even more short tempered) as a result. And what about the cases where no alcohol is involved?
Naming and shaming is the best way - most of those who beat their wives would never want their relatives or mates to know.
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SpellingWizard,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 10:42:25
Also worth noting that these would be bail orders- that is, the person subject to the order will not have been convicted of any crime. Worth thinking about whether we want the state to be able to stop people from doing lawful activities in their own homes until and unless they are convicted.
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Miss H,

19/08/2008 10:45:50
I don't see how it is unworkable and don't think the police would be arguing for it if it was not a practical proposal.

Yes I know matters are often more complex as Mairead Tagg says but it doesn't mean alcohol is a red herring. It is worth piloting this to see if it makes a difference.
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S. A. C.,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:04:54
Anything that helps stop this kind of abuse must be tried, you wont know until you try.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:25:42
#63:

Yes, I did read the article and no, MacAskill's name isn't mentioned.

However, it bears all the trademarks of his stupid schemes, to wit:

1. Wild assumptions
2. Reasoning twisted round to make the symptoms fit nicely around the supposed "cause".
3. Unworkable restrictive proposals (just how the hell are you supposed to ban someone from drinking?)
4. Even if implimented, the proposed measures would have little or no effect on the symptoms and would probably make them worse.

It has "Kenny MacAskill" written all over it.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 12:28:14
(cont)

The only MacAskill trademark that this doesn't have is his favourite one of targetting the innocent in the hope of deterring the guilty.
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Miss H,

19/08/2008 12:33:01
65 I don't see the problem with it really. You can test people for alcohol consumption. It's the police themselves suggesting this so I would assume they have thought through the practicalities of it. What do we have to lose by trying it?

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J F M ,

Glasgow 19/08/2008 12:46:49
Great that something is being done to tackle domestic abuse against women, but what about men? they too suffer violence and make excuses for their black eyes and mysterious bruises. Maybe it's seen as wimpish for a man to admit yes my partner is violent I have seen what it can do at first hand both physically and mentally. One more thing I am female the victim was my brother and I started looking around, shocking results few mens refuges in Scotland.
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Paddy O' Doors,

19/08/2008 13:21:20
No. 37:

Surely the problem is drink and football.
I can only surmize that the women were whinging that the men were watching the football and drinking to much instead of watching Eastenders/X-Factor/some other "reality" show, not that violence is acceptable, but I would stick my remote control through the telly for all of the above.
Especially as Italy cheated!!!
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 13:52:10
#67:

"...What do we have to lose by trying it?..."

For starters, this statement doesn't bode well:-

"...could be used for people accused of other offences linked to alcohol."

That implies that a gradual phasing in of this will take place, slowly strangling everyone's freedom.

It is already abundantly clear that this administration want's to "eradicate the scourge of alcohol from society" (like some bam-pot 18-century hell-fire-and-brimstone vicar). By associating a step towards that goal with a crime which everyone looks down on, you encourage acceptance of the restriction---chiefly because "it won't affect me". This is the oldest trick in the book and it looks like people are falling for it.

No. It may not affect "you" now, but in 20 years time, once they have ramped it up, compulsory random alcohol testing could very well have become the norm.

Don't by any stretch of the imagination think that what senior police officers say is actually what they really think and feel. The ones that do that don't generally last very long and end up with "...the controversial..." inserted into their name somewhere.

Once they get anywhere near the rank of Chief Constable, they have gone from reasonable men and women who actually think for themselves, to political puppets who are prepared to do anything their masters bid---which is one reason why I referred to MacAskill earlier.
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eddy barns,

19/08/2008 14:41:11
Ah, Daibhidh, you're back to your old self! Rediculous!
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Lennox11,

19/08/2008 15:00:31
I hope this article applies to both sexes, if you think domestic abuse is only a male problem you need to wake up and smell the coffee, I know this is not want the abuse industry (and I use the word industry deliberatly)want to hear,but you have to face the facts.
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Lennox11,

19/08/2008 15:01:36
Well said 69
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 19/08/2008 15:47:21
drug sales are gonna skyrocket if this goes ahead. If you can't drink then theres only 1 alternative. Get sh** faced instead
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Miss H,

19/08/2008 16:02:52
71 But the reality is that it won’t affect most people. Violent drunks are the minority but nevertheless there are quite a lot of them around and what are we going to do about it? Lock them all up in jail? That’s not really a practical solution and neither is sending them all on anger management courses either, let’s face it. That’s a bit pie in the sky to me.

It’s the police who have to manage these situations. They are the ones who get called out time and again and have to deal with it so if they are suggesting this as an option I think it should be looked at. I’m not saying bring it in nationally without testing it first, I’m saying it would be a good idea to pilot it in one police force area and see if it makes a difference.

Incidentally everyone who drives a car is already subject to random alcohol testing. Are you against that too?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 16:12:34
#76:

"But the reality is that it won’t affect most people..."

You are quite correct. It will not.... at the moment. Later on, when they realise they can get away with it and have got it working (which will undoubtedly involve other restrictions as well) then they will expand it to cover other supposedly drink-related offences. This will spread like cancer until it DOES start affecting innocent people. I'm thinking about the future.

Besides, I'm not convinced that drink is the cause of this. There are many other possible factors---someone has already mentioned a football team loosing a match for starters. So in other words, by banning people from drinking you are addressing something that is not the cause. This is likely to make them even more bitter, resentful and bad tempered, thereby making the problem worse.

Random breath testing is not allowed by law and neither should it ever be. A copper has to have grounds to suspect that an offence has been or is being committed and have reason to suspect that you have been drinking prior to asking for a breath test. This is a completely different scenario though. excess alcohol in the system has been PROVEN to affect co-ordination and driving ability. The notion that alcohol is a root cause of domestic violence is pure conjecture.
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J F M ,

Glasgow 19/08/2008 16:37:42
We as a family are still suffering from the affects of the abuse my parents cannot see their grandchildren unless my brother visits (he lives further away now)his now ex-wife attends church regularly where it is assumed her husband walked out this was not the case he was advised to leave for his own safety by the police this is the reason we cannot see the children as like any parents would, my parents gave my brother a bed. Some of the things we heard about included having hairspray sprayed in his eyes, being punched in the throat, strangled, only being permitted to eat the scraps the children left doubtless there were more which we haven't yet heard. I haven't used names or actual locations in case I jeopardise what little contact my brother is allowed with his children. It's not just the victim domestic abuse hurts!
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sergiesmax,

19/08/2008 16:54:22
This headline is is shamefull its states men who attack there partners what about women who also get drunk and attack abuse and beat there husbands or partners.Will they also be banned from the pub?Although this has never happend to me,i dont have to look far to see the results of domestic abuse,ie my son.His partner has commited several attacks on him,it has been reported to the police but she always seems to get away with it why? He has tryed to leave her a couple of times but then she turns up at his work causeing trouble as always,stalkes him where ever he goes,also reported to police nothing done.It always seems to be about Men well there are Women out there who also cause alot of missery too and its about time we started to see this as a problem for men and women alike
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19/08/2008 17:05:30
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Miss H,

19/08/2008 17:17:54
79 The headline actually says 'Violent partners to face drinking ban'. That could be either gender.
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Rob me blind,

Peterhead 19/08/2008 18:55:24
Well as a male who suffered at the hands of his wife and was totally let down by a Procurator Farcical and Clown Office who don't believe a woman can do such things I see this as just another slanted way of trying to deal with this problem. Its time that there was equality in resources to deal with this problem for both sexes
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/08/2008 20:31:48

Hey!!, 'Waspy Paspy' ~82/84/85,,

Whats your hangups?, hope its no hangover, the reason I give comment and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,GO! is because my friend some cannot sit on their 'keyboard' all-day, unless one is a little sad! :)

One has a DYW to share life with, and being the never ending loving Husband of a 'Real Man' that I am, one must diversify to this important duty!

Unlike the 'Headbangers' that drink too much as in the said article, who are Not Worthy of being called Men!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 19/08/2008 20:44:15
While I have no time for domestic violence, I would like to make a few points.

Wife beating was permissible in Scotland up till 9pm in early 20th century Scotland.

My mother used to beat my brothers and myself with a dog's leash and verbally abused my father in front of us siblings a lot of the time.

Men are supposed to learn how to understand women. Women are supposed to understand men as they are superior.

Well, I have been goaded into acting violently towards the mother of of my second first born - and do you know what? She took the hùmp (guess which word has been autocensored) and started bad mouthing me when I refused to hit her.

Might have some bearing on the fact that I refused to sleep with her again.

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henrymanchester,

UK 19/08/2008 22:23:52
note it says "accused of" not found guilt of.

What a disgusting, man hating society Britain is!

Down with Britain and down with the union.

These unfair laws wont happen when we are all independent.
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Galalean,

Mission 20/08/2008 04:14:39
Why should the police have to take all the flack. Send the judges & the law makers to handle the situations. I think #33 had the best answer & perhaps people (male or Female) who do abuse their partners could get the same treatment on a Saturday night reality show & make it mandatory to be shown in all drinking establishments including the private clubs where the judges & lawyers imbibe... Do not keep passing the buck to the frontline police. Presuming this would be approved by Charles Linkale
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LAM,

Edinburgh 20/08/2008 09:30:26
Why is it when an article is written like this you immediately know some men are just going to jump on the band wagon and miss or sideline what the article is about. When I read comments like these ...it is not just men that abuse their spouses... women do it too... Reality is your right with those remarks. But statisics show a much higher percentage of men abuse women.. No one is saying that only men do the abusing. Only men will be banned... Come on folks this is the 21st century. If this comes about obviously it will apply to spouses not just men... This is a news paper article... they have a licence to tweek the story pretty much anyway they like to get a rise out of you... and they succeeded with some of you. I grew up in a home where my father drank a fair bit.. funny and witty at first... then watching his face... you know when it changes and funny turns to nasty ..if your smart you get out of there.. it is scary. I enjoy a drink but now I find nothing about males or females that drink to excess amusing... I find it very disturbing and brings back too many scary memories.. Let deal with the issue...

 

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