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Bid to stop terror groups brainwashing young Scots Muslims



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Published Date: 20 June 2008
A COUNTER-radicalisation plan is being developed in Scotland to prevent young Muslims being "brainwashed" by al-Qaeda terrorists, The Scotsman can reveal.
The strategy, which has the backing of police and the Scottish Government, will see parents of young Muslims encouraged to exercise greater control over their children's use of the internet, which is regarded as a major "weak spot" in Britain's efforts to combat terrorism.

Developed in response to the growing number of UK nationals found to be involved in terrorism, the plan will seek to win the "hearts and minds" of Muslim families whose help is seen as crucial in preventing youngsters being recruited into the terror network.

It is understood measures used to protect children from paedophiles on the internet will be proposed to prevent young Muslims being incited to develop an unhealthy support for al-Qaeda via chatrooms and websites.

These will include installing home computers with special firewalls allowing parents to block access to websites containing terrorist material, such as images of beheadings or bomb-making manuals, and teaching parents what to look out for.

Youth projects will also be run to encourage civic pride among young people, some of whom may be vulnerable to al-Qaeda's violent anti-western doctrine.

Meanwhile, police will receive cultural and religious lessons to ensure anti-terror investigations are handled more sensitively.

The move comes amid growing concerns among community leaders and senior police officers that innocent Muslims are being singled out as potential terrorists, creating an atmosphere of distrust which threatens to become a breeding ground for would-be suicide bombers.

The strategy is being developed in Scotland as part of a UK government counter-terrorism plan known as CONTEST.

It has been given greater urgency since last year's Glasgow airport attack and the jailing of Mohammed Atif Siddique, a student from Clackmannanshire convicted of disseminating terrorist materials on internet who was described in court as a "wannabe suicide bomber".

Allan Burnett, head of counter-terrorism for the police in Scotland, is co-ordinating the strategy. He told The Scotsman that closer links between officers and Muslims must be forged to encourage families who have concerns about their children to come forward. And he said youngsters were "vulnerable" to corruption from viewing violent terrorist images on computers and mobile phones.

Mr Burnett said: "If a parent is worried a vulnerable young person is being unduly influenced, we have to give them some way to flag that up at an early stage so we can take that youngster away from that. These young people are at risk of being brainwashed by murderers. We have to discourage that."

Mr Burnett revealed he would discuss with Muslim groups ways to create "alternatives" for disaffected young people who may be more likely to be attracted to al-Qaeda.

These include the new Scottish Islamic Foundation, which has already run several residential courses for young Muslims.

Osama Saeed, the foundation's organiser, said courses were not specifically geared toward preventing terrorism, but rather to spread the message among those who may be angry about the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan "that being a good Muslim goes hand in hand with being a good citizen".

He added: "We want to encourage people to take a greater role in society, for example getting engaged with the media.

"When people talk about deradicalisation, the last thing you want to do is jump up and down saying you're against terrorism. You have to deliver a more positive message."

'Don't help recruit the terrorists'

JUDGES who jail young Muslims for downloading terrorist material on the internet risk becoming "recruiting sergeants" for al-Qaeda, a top police officer has warned.

Allan Burnett, the co-ordinator of counter-terrorism for the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (Acpos), said excessive jail terms imposed in some cases "at the lower end of the spectrum" are threatening to alienate ordinary Muslims.

Mr Burnett said community sentences were more appropriate than prison for certain web-based offences, particularly when the families of young people downloading videos of beheadings and other violent material are willing to help stop the offender becoming more deeply involved in terrorism.

Mr Burnett's criticism was triggered by the case of Mohammed Irfan Raja jailed for two years for "possessing articles useful for terrorism".

Mr Burnett said: "The parents were concerned and phoned the police. The next thing the young guy gets a prison sentence. That is not a good message. There has to be an alternative when the community, and the parents, are coming forward to help."

The full article contains 768 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Black & White Triumph,

Greenhill Road.......soon 20/06/2008 15:26:39
They are already brainwashed by their religion. Every moslem has a duty to their religion to try to convert as many as possible in non moslem countries or breed prolifically so that they eventually become the majority.... watch out then if that happens, we need to stop encouraging them to come here, we should rather encourage them to go somewhere that likes their religion
2

John M. Slusser II,

Nantwich 20/06/2008 15:30:56
This is a well thought out plan it seems to me. I do hope we don't have the ever-present roster of nay-sayers and profligates come on here and start bashing. My challenge to them is to come up with a better way to deflate the conditions which foment one from becoming a terrorist in the first place. I shall wait for those answers with the rest of us who agree with what is being done now.
3

Gere,

Scotland 20/06/2008 15:34:56
What everyone is missing is that there is a racial component to Muslim terrorism.

Hatred for the UK, Western values and the white populace grows stronger in each generation of the offspring of non-white immigrants born in the UK.

Islam has merely provided a conduir to focus, concentrate and channel that hatred to action, the problem is not with Islam per se. The problem is race hate. The weapons of oppression and subjugation used by previous generations against the white populace of the UK were not bombs but words such as Racist, equal opportunity, diversity.

Thus was a war of constructive genocide launched. Even successive British Governments removed the legal right of Whites to protest and demand the right to that they did not surrender their country and thus ensure that they eventually do not become a despised and hated minority race in their own homeland that they had occupied for thousands of years.

Almost all terroist bombs in Britain have been perpetrated by Muslims born and educated in the UK!

4

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 20/06/2008 16:05:07
Islam is a violent religion with a "prophet" that was an uneducated, illiterate bandit and camel-trader who supposedly received the word of God direct from source -but it had to be translated for that simple, simple and very fallible and unetheral man.

What is one to expect from a "religion" that demands the suppression and rape of women, the beheading of "infidels", the cutting off of limbs (hands, etc.), the ritual raping of women for the transgressions of their husbands, the third-class treatment of women, the use of slave-labour in Saudi Arabia (the home of the purported "holy cities" of Mecca and Medina,etc. ad nauseam.

I am increasingly coming to the realisation that most Muslims, no matter how moderate or "understanding", have an agenda that is antithetical to Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu, etc. beliefs.

It saddens me and makes me VERY wary of their motives. And the imams and interpretors of the "Holy" Koran are the worst prevaricators and liars of that whole sorry bunch.
5

John Blackley,

Florida 20/06/2008 16:12:15
Mmmmmm. Out of deference to John M. Slusser II, I'll certainly look forward to seeing how this plan works.

However, (here you go, John), my intuition tells me that this is addressing the problem from the wrong end.

I don't think that young muslims succumb to terrorist brainwashing because mummy and daddy don't govern their internet access. Nor do I think it happens because our police are insensitive when conducting terror investigations (and I don't want 'sensitive' police conducting terror investigations).

I think young muslims become radicalised, in large part, because they attend mosques and social centres that beat anti-western-culture messages into their heads and which are already infested with muslims who believe in jihad.

I think some start out with a prediliction for radical islam because they were raised in a household that kept itself apart from western society and, perhaps, in which western values were held up as sinful.

Solutions? A few suggestions: First, curb - severely - immigration. Staunch the flow. Second, tell the EU and the Human Rights industry to go take a flying leap and, when muslims are convicted of terror-related crime, jail them and when they're released ship 'em back to whatever hole they or their family came from - and be damned to the concern for their welfare when they get there. Third, forget our 'sensitivity' towards mosques and muslim community centres. Infiltrate them and arrest those found to be fomenting radical islamist activity.
6

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2008 16:24:34
So what is hug-a-muslim Salmond doing about the radical muslim website that has a Glasgow PO Box address?

Isn't Salmond and MacAskill backing the police while they subject Scottish gamekeepers to 'dawn raids' while radical muslim websites are being run in Scotland without any action being taken?

www.islambase.co.uk

Well done the The Telegraph for exposing the hatred for 'unbelievers' being expressed on line by 'tolerant' muslims.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2105429/Muslim-children-in-Britain-%27brought-up-to-hate-their-homeland%27.html

BTW
The SNP's Osama Saeed was the one who stood up in a meeting at Dundee University and urged muslims not to cooperate with the police and Special Branch while The Scotsman quotes him as if he's one of the 'moderate' muslims.


"My message to the police is 'lay-off', but my message to the muslim community is we have got to be stronger in our defence of this.".....

"....There can be no excuse of being scared of the police. IF WE LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF OUR FAITH, WHAT ELSE IS THERE OTHER THAN THE PROPHET'S EXAMPLE TO STAND UP TO TYRANY AND TO STAND UP TO OPPRESION."

Osama Saeed (SNP), Dundee University, November 2006.
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Houssine,

Nanterre 20/06/2008 16:32:43
They are twoo approch one founded on the irationalty and passion and the second in rationality.The first was founded in the hate speach and baseb on racist consideration.
Most arabs,africans,asians muslim poeples who live in Wales,Scotland was peaceful and want to live togeter whit other non muslim communities.
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W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2008 16:33:24
In my opinion, Allan Burnett is too gullible to be a police officer never mind invloved in operations like this.

If I was a radical muslim I reckon I could run circles round this guy.

Saying things like "Yes, constable I'm a moderate muslim" would be enough for him, MacAskill and Salmond.

May I suggest Allan Burnett is transferred to say, Inverness, and made into a 'wildlife officer' where he will be equally ineffective but at least he will be out of harms way.
9

PRCS,

United States 20/06/2008 17:13:39
Radical Islam? Radical Islam is a construct of uninformed westerners, as is this poorly named 'war on terror'.

The issue is Muslim fundamentalists; true believers for whom the past 1400 years have not blunted the supremacism, the intolerance of 'unbelievers', and the conquest mandated in Islam.

Remember the Taliban and their goal of 'a pure Islamic state'?

Moderate Muslims are like Catholics who use artificial birth control methods. Each is engaged in selective compliance with the tenets of their respective belief systems.

That most of the world's Muslims do not know fully what their 'faith' teaches does not negate what it teaches. But, do most British and American Muslims know that Qur'an commands the amputation of unrepentant thieves' hands? Of course they do. Because it does. Each and every copy.

There is no 'moderate' version of Qur'an and no Islam 'lite'.

One need not even go to a bookstore or a library to read Qur'an or Sunnah. That can be done online.

Every non-Muslim in every western nation should take the time to understand Islam and the threat it poses to OUR way of life; that includes, especially, our police and elected officials.

Let's be clear about what Islam is and what it teaches.

It is a complete way of life; a complete way of life in which no separation of religion and governance exists. It is NOT just a religion.

It is a theocracy, and theocracy is antithetical to democracy.

Care to understand 'democracy' in Muslim nations? Look up the constitutions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Stop pretending. There is no such thing as radical Islam. There is just Islam.

Is every Muslim a terrorist? No. But every Muslim on the planet is a member of that 'complete way of life'.
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Houssine,

Nanterre 20/06/2008 17:39:49
Islam is a religion of peace and love ,she respect human live .In western societies,particularly in Wales and Scotland young muslim want to live in peace whit other poeples to build a democratic societies founded on the tolerance.You can't compare Abou Hamza Al Misri whit muslim citizen who are born in Scotalnd.
You can't ,also ,put all responsability of the chidren education on shoulders of the parents.I think scool can do a great function in integration og young poeples inside our societies.In this times of great tension across the world:Irak ,Afghanistan....poverty,Gay mariage,shisme inside the church about homosexuality..i think you can't focalised your hate speach against us,the tolerant democrat muslims of the west.
We muslims we want to see an independant Scotland.
needjar@yahoo.fr

Ps:of course i can't devlop oll my discourse about why islame was a religion of talerance.For exemples rememor the crimes commited by the intolerance by the Nazism and the inquisizion...or the reconquest of Spagn by the catholic and the expulsion of the muslims and jews from Spain.Islam was most tolerant towhard the minority, Scotich, as Cornish....have lost his thong but berbers and Kurd speak his old language preserved by islam.SH who have persecuted the Kurd was a socialist.
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Houssine,

Nanterre 20/06/2008 17:51:27
Islam respect the live and women.What he don't accept is the modification of the human natur by the genetic modification.
13

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 20/06/2008 18:06:39
Download a picture of an abused child and, rightly, you'll end up in jail (where, hopefully, you'll get treatment to stop you doing it again). Download messages from Osama Bin Laden or pictures of roadside bombs killing British servicemen and suddenly YOU'RE a victim. This country is going down the pan so fast it makes you weep.
14

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 20/06/2008 18:47:23
Surely it's not the function of policemen to comment on judicial sentencing?
15

tommy,

Belfast uk 20/06/2008 18:59:44
quote "Bid to stop terror groups brainwashing young Scots Muslims" Unquote

I thought for a moment he was going to recommend the banning of the koran but then I realised that he is indeed clueless about islam and no doubt thinks the taqiyya version of the koran is the real version

How did we get so many total incompetents looking after our country
16

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 20/06/2008 19:27:26
#10 Housinne in Nanterre

How can your version of Islam as a religion of peace and love bring out your religion's usual litany of loaded words: gay marriage, schism in the [Christian?] church, homosexuality, poverty, Nazism, the Inquisition, ad nauseam.

We all wonder what your motives are for an independent Scotland - perhaps an "independent MUSLIM Scotland"?

THen you drag in the expulsion of Muslims and Jews from Spain - I am surprised you did not start shrieking the usual Muslim "party line" about the "filthy Jews" and how they do not deserve to live on YOUR Islamic Middle East.

You also include, for good measure and to confuse and confound us further, the "berbers", the "Kurds" and the "Cornish". Your thinking was very disjointed and all over the place.

It was probably a matter of your knowledge of English but the kernel of your thought was there - and many of your co-conspirators.

If this is an example of pondered and reasonable "thought" from a typical agitated Muslim then we had better not waste our time trying to reason with the great intellectually unwashed of your faith.
17

H215,

New York 20/06/2008 20:01:25
Glad to see so many people waking up to the threat of the Islamization of Europe and the UK.

I'm wondering if the authorities are going to push for the teaching of classic Western civ to new immigrants?
18

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 20/06/2008 20:05:03
There is no point trying to reason with the extreme Muslims. According to them we should all be killed so we'll just have to live with that! No pun intended.
19

danielrober,

20/06/2008 20:26:22
There's an anti-BNP march tommorow in London. I have not been to a political/protest march since the Poll Tax. It might time.

Good luck to the police, we moderates will back you up.
20

an interested party,

20/06/2008 20:41:21
ban religion
21

Copper,

Falkirk 20/06/2008 20:44:48

To me the answer is simple

Any immigrant guilty of a serious crime is sent home to an Islam country after his sentence is finished

Meantime all his family to the furthest out relations are deported

If they can not be sent to their country of origin useing their assets we could buy them a passport in a poor Moslem country.

The relations would be exempt if they report possible problem nutters

Wee Mahmood the bear making bangs with fertiliser in the garden shed would be a thing of the past

I swear this would affect 3 yes 3 Families maximum

Think of the rights of the rest of us to live without this fear and kick the PC into touch

22

whatisthis,

Edinburgh 21/06/2008 01:12:11
Osama Saeed is the problem, not the answer. The Scottish Islamic Foundation is just the latest Muslim Brotherhood front for training up a future cadre of Muslim leaders intent on taking over and Islamising Scotland as part of a global caliphate in which we will be made second class citizens in our own country. It is used by Muslim Brotherhood leaders like Kemal Helbawy to indoctrinate the youth with Islamism against us kufr.

Yes, I know that sounds fantastic, but try telling Saeed and Helbawy that we are never going to convert to the hideous religion of Islam, they can dream on! But at long as he has gullible men like Allan Burnett eating out of his slimy hands and the snake Salmond promoting him, maybe it's not so fantastic after all, eh folks?

Wha' sae base sae be a slave, tae Osama Saeed and a' his pals in the MB! Because that's what they have planned for us.

What on earth does he mean, you can't just tell people terrorism is wrong and 'have to offer them something more positive' like the Muslim Brotherood staged take over of the UK by stealth? This is typical Muslim Brotherhood evasiveness and obfuscation.

Terrorism is wrong Osama, and is endorsed by the Quran, as you very well know. See Sura 9:24.

Time you were outed and admit your real stinking agenda.
23

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 21/06/2008 01:27:38
#17

A lot of folk in the UK haven't and cling to this airy fairy nonsense poured out by the left as seen in #19

In a fortnights time, we will see the biggest assembly of men, woman and children in one place in Scotland as the holiday season starts.

The terrorists tried last year and was unsuccessful, they will try their best again this year. I urge all decent folk to keep the vigilance and report anything suspicious.

I also urge folk to be prepared to give any assistance necessary to the authorities in the even of an atrocity.

The cowards will flinch and the traitors will sneer but decent folk do the right thing.
24

Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 21/06/2008 01:29:28
As to 'Bid to stop terror groups brainwashing young Scots Muslims', there's too much evidence on the net to show that this is impossible.
25

Colac,

Brisbane 21/06/2008 01:36:52
Ban all muslim migration, you only have to look at France to see where it's leading they take over by stealth, breeding like rabbits and when there are enough of them watch out You'll just love Sharia law!!
26

MichScot,

USAI 21/06/2008 03:48:12
Housseine:

I know that Muslims believe the Torah, the Psalms, and the Injil. Do yourself a favor and get a copy of the Bible and read them. Start with John, the fourth book of the Injil. That's the fourth book in the New Testament.
27

cranntara,

Portree 21/06/2008 11:32:48
It's not the alleged brainwashing of young Muslims by 'al-Qaeda terrorists' that we should be concerned about; it's the routine brainwashing of the British public by politicians, police, and media hacks like Michael Howie, who endlessly regurgitate the same lies and half-truths about 9/11, 7/7, al-Qaeda, alleged bomb plots etc.

Michael Howie claims there is "a growing number of UK nationals found to be involved in terrorism". How many, Mr. Howie? And really involved in terrorism? How many proven acts of terrorism have there been in Britain?
How many civilian casualties?

The answer to the last question is: none. No solid evidence has been presented to the public to confirm the allegations against the four young Muslims convicted without trial of perpetrating the 'terrorist'
incidents in London on July 7th, 2005. All we have had are assertions - several of them already shown to be false - by politicians and an increasingly politicised police.

That's why we have had no independent inquiry into 7/7. The allegations would not stand up in court and an inquiry would reveal the inconsistencies in the official story.

The real 'home-grown' terrorists in Britain are those who have terrorised and murdered innocent civilians in Afghanistan and Iraq (more than 3 million to date) and continue to justify their terrorism by the lie of the 'war on terror' - the biggest scam the world has ever seen.

Despite the best efforts of politicians, police and media, more and more people are waking up to the lies. We do need a 'counter-terrorist offensive' - against the real terrorists in government and the armed
forces. The offensive would be in the name of democracy, transparency, freedom of information - and the indictment of the war criminals at the International Criminal Court
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Big Jock McDoc,

Scotland 21/06/2008 11:39:12
#27

Maybe you should check the Jail to Jihad Dispatches prog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOvg1ijZr0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTwGzWrY3Jc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vw4d6ee_Ck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9ICJ9t6Mdc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEABGx6d8nM
29

Frodo the Scot,

Ootside peekin in 22/06/2008 02:37:18
15 tommy....asks
How did we get so many total incompetents looking after our country??....DUH..You VOTED them in...Let me get this straight..muslim Immigrants are welcomed into the U.K...and some are intent on killing and creating terror??. Then, when caught they and there extensive families should be DEPORTED...why ALL......Guilt by association.......simple
30

Joe,

Leith Walk 22/06/2008 09:02:57
One only has to look at a recent TV reality programme to witness the consequences of islamic brainwashing.?
31

Frodo the Scot,

Ootside lookin in 06/07/2008 21:12:49
"young Muslims being "brainwashed" by al-Qaeda terrorists", HOW many times must you people be reminded of "The Logical Answer".....Deport ALL caught
AND include their extended families.....IF they DONT assimilate.........EXTERMINATE
32

eric,

Lothian 09/08/2008 08:47:24
Shouldnt be too hdifficult .
33

greenhill,

28/10/2008 14:18:49
Osama Saeed Says:
"When people talk about deradicalisation, the last thing you want to do is jump up and down saying you're against terrorism. You have to deliver a more positive message."

Oh Yeah ! why not just say you are against terrorism without jumping up and down?

This guy is a chancer who is out to build up a greviance culture by conflating Islam with race and portraying conflicts in the middle east as being an attack on Islam.

 

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