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David Shaw's criticism of Calum MacKellar, director of the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics (Letters, 9 and 12 May) is unfair. Dr Shaw suggests that, despite its explicit claim to the contrary, The SCHB is a religious organisation. However, his argument is weak.
Dr Shaw is perpetuating the fashionable fallacy that there is a neat fit between people's religious beliefs and their views on ethics and bioethics. He suggests in particular that, whereas non-religious people tend to be utilitarians with regard to m
orals and legislation, religious people tend, because of their religious views, to be non-utilitarians. This is false.

Often, whatever their beliefs with regard to religion, people are offended by actions that produce no obvious harm and want such actions to be or to remain crimes. Consider, for instance, sex with dead bodies and with animals. No obvious harm ensues from such actions yet many non-religious people are offended by them and would not approve of their legalisation. To cavort naked in public causes no obvious harm yet there is no concerted attempt by non-religious people to legalise such behaviour.

Some people who are religiously minded hold views which are quite different from those advocated by the SCHB. Some people who agree with some or all of the views of the SCHB are not religiously minded.

(PROF) HUGH McLACHLAN

School of Law and Social Sciences, Glasgow Caledonian University

Glasgow




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  • Last Updated: 13 May 2008 8:08 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 14/05/2008 08:31:24
Great! The two venerable Doctors locking horns again! It's like watching a battle scene from Highlander without the same visual theatrics!
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Hugh V McLachlan,

Elderslie 14/05/2008 10:09:51
#1 Dave from Barra

Dave, for related sound effects, see:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/noscript.shtml?/radio/aod/scotland_aod.shtml?scotland/feature3_mon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/noscript.shtml?/radio/aod/scotland_aod.shtml?scotland/morningextra_tue
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 14/05/2008 11:33:19
Thanks Dr McLachlan!
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Stuart Hartill,

Isle of Man 14/05/2008 12:38:29
I agree it's not a precise fit, but there's still a rule of thumb if you consider that the marker is how you justify your action or opinion to your community.
In the non-religious case this would be a fairly straightforward 'can I explain this to my neighbour' question.
In the religious case there would an additional 'can I explain this to my pastor/fellow worshippers' duty in addition to their geographical neighbour, and I suspect that, try as they might, religious believers would always feel some need to base their 'secular' judgement on at least a general biblical instruction.
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Bob Churchill,

London 14/05/2008 18:30:44
Dr Shaw is obviously not suggesting "a neat fit" where all he suggests is that "non-religious people tend to be utilitarians with regard to morals and legislation, religious people tend, because of their religious views, to be non-utilitarians."

A tendency isn't necessarily a "neat fit". It need only be a trend in order to be true.

Which is also why the rest of this argument falls down.

Just because we all have some deontological, yuck-factor type responses, including non-religious people, doesn't mean that there isn't still a *trend* in the direction that humanists and other non-religious people are more likely to be consequentialists while religious people are more likely to be deontologists about morality.
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Hugh V McLachlan,

Elderslie 14/05/2008 18:55:33
#5 Bob Churchill, London.


'... humanists and other non-religious people are more likely to be consequentialists while religious people are more likely to be deontologists about morality.'

Greetings, Bob. I am sure that we met recently in London - at RADA to be precise.

Dawkins suggests that there is such a tendency for atheists to be utilitarians but his arguments are not good ones. Despite Dawkins's own professed regard for evidence, he does not provide evidence for this speculation. It is more in the nature of an article of faith that suits his particular view of the world.

Kant is the most noteworthy deontologist but he was very keen to point out that, although he was not an atheist, his ethics were derived from reason rather than religion. Not all Kantians are theists. Not all theists are Kantians. I know of no evidence of a noticeable trend either way.

Many people, of whom I am one, are neither utilitarians or deontologists. We should reject utilitarianism, in my view, for reasons unrelated to religion but because it is not only consequences that matter with regard to ethics. It matters how and why things and done and it matter who does them. For instance, whatever the consequences turn out to be with regard to the invasion of Iraq, the invasion was wrong because of how and why it was done. It was not the business of Bush and Blair to try to introduce 'democracy' into that country.


 

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