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Published Date: 03 November 2008
"I HOPE this is the first of many," said an emotional Lewis Hamilton after becoming the youngest world champion in Formula One history in the most dramatic of circumstances.
Heading into the final lap of an astonishing 71-lap Brazilian Grand Prix with a storm poised to hit Interlagos, Hamilton was set for heartbreak again in Sao Paulo.

With Felipe Massa poised for victory and his fans ready to party into next week, Hamilton was down in sixth place after losing the fifth he required to Sebastien Vettel in his Toro Rosso on lap 69. At that stage Massa was 100 seconds away from taking the title on countback – six wins to Hamilton's five. But there was a glimmer of hope on the horizon in the form of Timo Glock, whose Toyota team opted to keep him out on dry tyres on a wet track.

Hamilton readily conceded his heart was in his mouth going into the last lap, and an expectant nation must surely have felt the same. When Massa took the chequered flag he was a champion in waiting at that stage, on the brink of becoming Brazil's first since the late, legendary Ayrton Senna in 1991. But the denouement arrived at the penultimate corner of the final lap of the last grand prix of the season as Hamilton passed Glock to move up to fifth, just 1,000 metres and 18 seconds from the line.

When he crossed it under black skies, it guaranteed him the title by a point from Massa, the honour of being the youngest champion ever and Britain's ninth overall. Hamilton joins Mike Hawthorn, Graham Hill, Jim Clark, John Surtees, Sir Jackie Stewart, James Hunt, Nigel Mansell and Damon Hill amongst Britain's greats, the last of them 12 years ago.

"It's been a fairytale story," reflected Hamilton, who at the age of ten told McLaren manager Ron Dennis he wanted to drive for his team. "He gave me my opportunity years ago. He had the foresight to bring me in, to groom me to get to this position. I've grabbed it with both hands and I've paid him back. I've paid him back in full, so I'm happy with that.

"I would like to thank, first and foremost, my family and then I thank God because he has been with me all year as he always is. And then there's Ron, Norbert (Haug, Mercedes Motorsport boss], Martin (Whitmarsh, McLaren F1 CEO] and all my friends.

"But right now, standing here, I honestly cannot realise that I'm champion...but it feels incredible, pretty much impossible to put into words. It's been such a long journey to get here, with all the sacrifices we've made. I'm so thrilled to do this for everyone after what was one of the toughest races of my life."

Sporting drama does not come any greater than yesterday, with Hamilton clearly not fully appreciating just what he had been embroiled in. But as far as he is concerned, in going forward, this could be the day that starts a Hamilton era.

He said: "I hope this is the first of many, but I don't know if my heart can take that final lap in many more seasons. It is absolutely fantastic, an amazing achievement, but one of the most troubled days.

"It was such a hard race, but now I'm ecstatic and very emotional. It has been so hard here in Brazil because everyone has been for Felipe, who did a fantastic job, and congratulations to him. I was silent in the car all the way through the race, which was very much under control for 90 per cent of the race, but with the last 10 per cent the hardest. To come out on top and to have the win, I am so thankful. I can't believe it."

Hamilton's father, Anthony, said: "I can't say (what I'm feeling]. I can't find any words – it's absolutely great." With many of the Interlagos crowd booing the result, he added: "That's a shame the crowd is doing this – they should be fair sports people. Oh well – on to the next one."

The start of the title-deciding grand prix was delayed for ten minutes as a torrential downpour hit the Interlagos track. Sunshine had dominated the day in Sao Paulo, with the temperature hitting 30 degrees centigrade, although heavy rain had been forecast. The fact it arrived three minutes before the official start merely added to the drama.

With the majority of the grid having switched to wet-weather tyres, they eventually filed away for their formation lap in which it was clear parts of the track were already starting to dry.

It was a clean start at the front of the grid as the leaders moved off in qualifying order, tip-toeing through the opening Senna S bend. But at the rear there was disaster for Red Bull's David Coulthard whose final grand prix of his 15-season career ended after just 300 metres.

The 37-year-old Scot was hit from behind by Williams' Nico Rosberg, sending him spinning out, colliding with Kazuki Nakajima in his Williams en route. Then Brazilian Nelson Piquet took his Renault into the barriers after a spin, with the incidents ultimately bringing the safety car into play for three laps.

With the track drying, it was all a question of when the drivers would start to come in and switch to dry tyres,

and eventually at the end of lap ten Massa made his first stop, as did Heikki Kovalainen, BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld, along with team-mate Robert Kubica.

Then it was the turn of Trulli, Raikkonen and Hamilton, with the Finn managing to leapfrog the Italian who almost collected the Briton on exit.

After the shake-up of the first stops Hamilton had dropped to seventh, but he passed Trulli at the start of lap 13 who then spun coming out of the Senna S just in front of team-mate Glock.

Hamilton then found himself held up by Giancarlo Fisichella, before finally venturing off the dry line to take the Italian at the start of lap 18.

At the head of the field Massa was not streaking away as expected as Vettel, his car supported by a Ferrari engine, was constantly in the Brazilian's wing mirrors.

Alonso was in close attendance, with Raikkonen nearly 12 seconds down on his team-mate, and Hamilton making no impression as he was 17 seconds down after 22 laps.

After 36 laps, just over half race distance, Massa had opened up a 6.5-second advantage over Alonso, with Raikkonen a further 10.4secs down, Hamilton lying fourth four seconds behind the Finn.

After the shake-up of the second stops, Massa returned to the lead, comfortably so by 8.1secs from Vettel, followed by Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton, the latter 2.8secs behind the Finn's Ferrari.

It was a question now of Hamilton counting down the laps, although with him potentially having to stop one last time at the death, and with rain apparently again approaching.

With thunder booming overhead and 11 laps to run, it appeared only a matter of time before a storm would hit. Hamilton's brother Nicholas even ventured into the pit lane to take a look at the darkening skies as Lewis drew ever closer to the title.

Then with six laps to run the rain started to fall, and amazingly Massa stayed out whilst the four behind him in Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton and Vettel all came in to switch to wets.

Massa made it safely round lap 67 at the end of which he also took on wet tyres, and now it was a question of reeling off the laps as Hamilton had dropped to fifth. Towards the end of the 69th lap Vettel passed Hamilton to drop him to sixth, a result which would have lost him the title.

But on the very last lap, a kilometre from the end and on a track becoming increasingly hazardous, Hamilton passed a slowing Glock – fourth at the time – who had not switched from his dry tyres.

That elevated him to fifth, and as they swept into the final turn, with Massa having won the race, Hamilton eventually crossed the line to become the youngest world champion in Formula One history in the most dramatic of circumstances.


Moss insists new champion has already secured his place among driving legends

JAMES McMILLAN


BRITISH motor-racing legend Sir Stirling Moss believes that new Formula 1 world champion Lewis Hamilton has earned his place among the sport's all-time greats.

Moss said: "It was absolutely staggering. I thought the whole race was terrific and I think the right man won, Massa deserved it, and Lewis won the world title in a tremendous finish."

Asked whether Hamilton deserved his achievement, the 79-year-old added: "Absolutely. He's a racer. When you watch the way he drives, it's exciting because he gets on with it. He's tremendous on braking and he conserves his car, he's good in the wet, good in the dry – he's a remarkably good driver. He's learning every year. It's very difficult comparing drivers from my era, when it was really dangerous, to now, so it's not like for like. But I think if you're talking about a man's ability to control a car, use a car, I think he's up there (with the best] now."

Moss is widely regarded as the most talented driver to have never won the world championship. And after Hamilton almost lost his grip on the title on the season's final day for a second successive year, Moss expressed delight that the youngster had avoided his fate.

"I think he drove a very intelligent, careful race, which is what he needed to do, and if it hadn't have worked out the way it did, it would have been very unfortunate," Moss said. Hamilton's chances looked to have vanished when he was brought in for a rain-enforced tyre change just laps from the finish.

Ultimately, it proved a wise move as the Briton passed Glock, severely lacking grip on dry tyres, at the death – but Moss suggested the last-lap panic could have been averted by McLaren with an earlier pit stop. "I think the timing was a little bit out maybe," he said. "Perhaps one lap earlier (would have been better]."

Prime Minister Gordon Brown also paid tribute to Hamilton

. He said: "I, like so many, want to congratulate him on becoming world champion – the first championship I think of many that he's going to win in years to come. I think the whole country is thrilled by his exceptional talent. I think the whole of Britain are proud of the inspirational Lewis Hamilton and the McLaren team."

Eddie Jordan, founder and former owner of the Jordan team which competed in Formula 1 from 1991 to 2005, was relieved after Hamilton managed to claw back the title.

He said: "I've had a few scary moments myself – but I've never seen anything like it. Within a couple of corners of the finish he'd gone...I don't think anyone would want to go through that again. I don't want to be critical of Ron Dennis at this moment because it's a big moment for him...but by being defensive he allowed Ferrari to take the upper hand. And just by a fraction of luck at the very last moment he just got it back. I don't think he'd get away with that again." Jordan believes the conduct of the key men involved in yesterday's title showdown has enhanced the sport's reputation. The Irishman continued: "I thought Felipe Massa in winning, and Lewis and Anthony Hamilton were very dignified people. There's dignity in the Hamilton family. I think Lewis will make an outstanding world champion and will go on from here."

The Motor Sports Association – governing body of UK motor sport – also paid tribute. Chief executive Colin Hilton said: "His performances since his arrival in Formula 1 last year have set the world alight. His success comes as no surprise – it is fantastic news for the whole of British motor sport."


LEWIS HAMILTON FACTFILE

1985: Born Tewin, Hertfordshire, January 7.

2006: Has first test in a McLaren Formula One car, 13 September. Confirmed as race driver for 2007 season for McLaren, 24 November.

2007: Finishes third on Formula One debut at the Australian Grand Prix, 18 March.

After finishing second in Malaysia, Hamilton follows up with second in Bahrain to become the first driver in Formula One world championship history to finish on the podium in his first three races, 15 April.

Another second in Spain makes Hamilton the youngest driver to hold the outright lead in the drivers' standings, 13 May.

Claims first victory at the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal after maiden pole, 10 June.

Follows up with pole and win at United States Grand Prix in Indianapolis, 17 June.

Taken to hospital after being involved in a 175mph smash in qualifying for the European Grand Prix at the Nurburgring. Finishes ninth in following day's race, 21 July.

McLaren are fined £49.2million and docked all points in the constructors' championship as a result of the spy scandal, but drivers' individual points are untouched, 13 September.

Wins Japanese Grand Prix in Fuji Speedway to open a 12-point gap over Alonso with two races remaining, 30 September.

Slides into a gravel trap on severely worn tyres and retires from Chinese Grand Prix, 7 October.

Loses the title by a point to Raikkonen in Brazil where he can only finish seventh due to a gearbox problem early in the race, 21 October.

2008: Signs new five-year contract through to 2012, worth around £10million per year, 18 January.

Wins Australian Grand Prix, 16 March.

Takes second win of the year at a rain-hit Monaco, despite clipping a barrier and puncturing a tyre early on, 25 May.

Crashes into the back of Raikkonen in the pit lane in the Canadian Grand Prix, sending both out and incurring a 10-place grid penalty for following race in France, 8 June

Wins a rain-lashed British Grand Prix at Silverstone, 6 July.

Becomes youngest world champion in Formula One history after finishing fifth in the Brazilian Grand Prix, 2 November.


BRITAIN'S MOTOR-RACING WORLD CHAMPIONS

Mike Hawthorn: 1958 (Ferrari)
Graham Hill: 1962 (BRM), 1968 (Lotus)
Jim Clark: 1963, 1965 (Lotus)
John Surtees: 1964 (Ferrari)
Jackie Stewart: 1969 (Matra), 1971 and 1973 (Tyrrell)
James Hunt: 1976 (McLaren)
Nigel Mansell: 1992 (Williams)
Damon Hill: 1996 (Williams)
Lewis Hamilton: 2008 (McLaren)


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  • Last Updated: 02 November 2008 11:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lewis Hamilton
 
1

Boswall,

03/11/2008 01:17:22
Unforgettable race - a 100% worthy champ - well done Lewis!
2

Steve Ev,

Malta 03/11/2008 07:13:39
Congratulations Lewis, a great way to shut those racist Spaniards!
3

johnpaulgeorgeandringo,

aus 03/11/2008 07:37:36
can anyone tell me how far Hamilton was behind Glock starting the last lap?
4

Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 08:20:06
Imagine this scenario...Hamilton has to win to be F1 champ and Massa has to be 5th or better to deny him. Hamilton wins and amazingly yards from the finish Massa passes a very slow Glock to get 5th place and the title.
Fat chance now for the great Chris Hoy to be BBC Sports Personality of the year because a bloke who does noteven pay taxes in Britain and sit's in a car for aliving will be voted in by the gullible English.
5

SouthernSkye,

03/11/2008 08:27:42
#3...Not sure. I know Glock was losing ground fast as he was still running on slicks as he did not stop, as did Massa and Hamilton, to get wets fitted.
6

Lady Golightly,

03/11/2008 08:29:25
4

I've posted your bitter and twisted comment on the Digital Spy site and the Lewis Hamilton site to make sure that the 'gullible English' vote for Hamilton.

Congrats Lewis
7

SouthernSkye,

03/11/2008 08:37:20
#3...Google it.
18 seconds is the figure it seems.
8

Douglas,

Bathgate 03/11/2008 08:40:55
The poisonous little Ecclestone said a mouthful when asked pre race by Martin Brundle how these championships kept coming down to the last laps of the last race every season and he replied that it was getting harder all the time. F1 sold it's advertising and kept the interest there till the end.
All the bent decisions and dodgy penalties came to nothing in the end.

Well done Lewis and McLaren
9

BamberGaspipe,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 08:41:02
#6 Lady Golightly why don,t you "Goeffyerself"
Chris Hoy or Andy Murray have done far more than this coloured chap driving around a big circle for over an hour
For 99.9% of the race the "car in front was a Toyota" unfortunately for me Mr Glock let Hamilton through no matter what anyone says.
To be honest I find synchronised swimming more exciting that F1
It cheeses me off that idiots like you get access to the SCOTSMANS website to post your pathetic comments
10

tatties n, neeps,

03/11/2008 08:43:50
#6 Apologies lady for some my sour faced compatriots who would be crying into their porridge this morning at the thought of an Englishman winning the G.P. title i think #4 would have been wracking his brains all night to come up with a negative comment pathetic though it is .Good luck to Hamilton its been coming for the last two seasons a very nice guy a credit to his family and his sport.BTW i'll still be voting for Chris Hoy for the BBC awards.
11

Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 08:58:02
There is nothing "bitter and twisted" about my comments. Consider the fact that BBC Sports Personality is a vote by the public and therefore disavantageous to the Scots,Welsh and Northern Irish by virtue of having much smaller populations than England thus denying them the opportunity to vote for their " Local Hero" I am not saying that the English are any more jingoistic in casting their vote for one of their own than the other 3 it is just that under this system we have had more F1 drivers than footballers as winners. Surely even the most fervent petrolhead would adnit that this does not fairly reflect the views of the man or woman in the street.What would happen if there was a concerted attempt to "rig" the voting as in the hilarious victory by the late great Jim Baxter as the new name for Wembley way.
By the way what is digital spy anyway,I suspect it is for right wing nutters.
12

Liz,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 09:35:02
#9
So you didnt actually watch the race then. Time Glock was in front of Hamilton for proably only 6 laps (not 99% of the race).

This may be the SCOTSMANS (sic) website but last time I saw it Lewis Hamilton drives under the British flag Scotland is part of Britain so stop being so petty and childish. You dont like Formula One - so what, I dont like tennis or cycling but I dont come on here to winge about them.
Historically F1 drivers have always done well in the Sports Personality competition and unless I am very much mistaken those 'gulliable English" (#4) voted Jackie Stewart winner previously.

Any and all arguments about anti-Scots voting can be well and truely put to bed when you remember that Liz McColgan won it once.
13

Liz,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 09:35:49
#12 sorry that should have been "Timo" not Time...
14

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 09:44:53
11 Malc F
"Consider the fact that BBC Sports Personality is a vote by the public and therefore disavantageous to the Scots,Welsh and Northern Irish by virtue of having much smaller populations than England thus denying them the opportunity to vote for their " Local Hero"

So how come Welshman Joe Calzaghe won it last year.
15

The Strategist,

03/11/2008 09:50:23
Make the best of this article.. It will probably be the last the Scotsman runs on motor racing for the next year. Certainly the sports editor seems to have a mental block when it comes to any sport that doesn't involve a ball and failed to report on any of the SMRC races this year.
16

CLX,

03/11/2008 09:55:08
The biggest fix of all time...

Pits to Glock: Your too far ahead of Lewis
Glock: OK, I'll slow down a bit

18 seconds ahead going onto the driest part of the track, lets Hamilton past then rejoins behind him...

Hollow victory at best........
17

mcrusty,

03/11/2008 10:22:54
#16 Sounds as if you're near to tears, it'll be ok you will get over it given time.Congratulations to Hamilton(is there a scottish connection there?)youngest ever ,best driver over the last two seasons, and a nice guy as well says it all really.
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Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 10:31:02
Joe Calzaghe won it because Ricky Hatton lost for the first time shortly before the voting and listen to this I would have voted for Hatton even after his loss but Calzaghe deserved it. Yes Liz Mc Colgan won it as did Jacky Stewart,Ian Black,Dai Rees,Mary Peters,Barry McGuigan all of whom would be by any criteria deserving winners,that is 6 out of 53 for the wee nations. But when you look at the list of winners where are Barry John, John Charles,Gareth Edwards and Ryan Giggs from Wales? Law, Dalglish,Baxter,Buchanan,Hastings and if you are aF1 fan Jim Clark from Scotland?What I get irritated about are the media backed "personalities"such as Greg Rusedski,Mansell...twice!,Torvill and dean,Cousins,Curry and not to forget the 2 Royals. Even poor old Tommy Simpson had to die to win it for cycling.
Please also note that in my posts I do not insult other posters,it is possible to have debate without recourse to insult.
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BamberGaspipe,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 11:03:39
#4,11 & 18 Well said Malc
What riles me is this #6 posting the comments on some geeky websites to influence anti Scottish propaganda

At least Hamilton is Englishish !

Greg Rusedski, Lennox Lewis,Kevin Pietersen, Tony Greig etc etc as English as chicken chow mein
20

Liz,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 11:07:37
There are hundreds of sportspeople who 'should' have won this award but didnt for all kinds of spurious reasons. The point I (and others) are making is that historically some sports do better than others and this so called 'English bias' does not really exist. 6 out of 53 winners is probably largely representative of the populations of the respective countries.

Fact is that had David Coulthard won the F1 World Championship he would almost certainly have won it and should Andy Murray win Wimbledon (or any other Grand Slam) he will win it too.
At the end of the day it is a largely silly award based on dubious criteria - I dont think Nationality has a great deal to do with it.
21

mcrusty,

03/11/2008 11:13:10
#18 Malc . Personally i would be deeply disapointed if Chris Hoy did not win the BBC award ,although i think Hamilton has big case as well now, both modest guys and both deserving,but big Chris is at the opposite end of his career to Hamilton who will surely come again and for that reason i hope Chris gets it.
The list of sporstsman who should have won the award is long even some English footballers Charlton ,Keegan etc.never got the nod ,not to mention Jacklin i'd have voted for him.
22

Thrawn,

UK 03/11/2008 11:28:37
#9: Why the reference to "this coloured chap"? What has Hamilton's mixed race got to do with his victory? Shame on you! You should move to Spain and join all those autofans who make such racist comments on their websites.

#19: Lennox Lewis was born in London, so he is as English as Tony Blair, born in Edinburgh, is Scots.
23

mcrusty,

03/11/2008 11:30:55
#9&19 BTW I find comments very offensive with reference to the lady and 'the coloured guy'well done the lady for posting on digital spy , in no way do you represent the views of the decent people in Scotland.
24

Navvy,

03/11/2008 11:33:53
#gaspipe

You are right about the swimming and less noisy too. I gave away my ticket to the Singapore grand prix

It in not sport nor in most respects is football.

Just big business
25

Louis Catorze,

03/11/2008 11:36:20
English, Scottish, British, who cares?

Hamilton is a great sporting ambassador for this country and a true and worthy champion.

All you Scots out there with a chip on your shoulders, stop embarrasing the rest of the population.
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03/11/2008 11:48:49
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03/11/2008 11:50:23
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 12:14:52
Bamber Gaspipe and Malc F:

If the pair of you genuinely believe that F1 racing is "just driving cars round in circles" then you are both complete imbeciles who have no understanding whatsoever of the sport.

I'd wager thay if either of you tried to drive an F1 car, you wouldn't even get it off the line. If you did, you'd probably spin it at the first corner.

Who gives a damn WHO wins the "sports personality of the year" contest? Surely what really matters is the performance in their chosen field, not what the pundits think of them?
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 12:22:58
I don't visit these sports pages much. It amazes me how bigotted, stupid and immature the majority of the posters here are.

It's supposed to be SPORT for christs sake! Not an opportunity to start a racist argument or to show your ignorance of various kinds of sport just because you may not like them. Grow up the lot of you.

Idiots.
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03/11/2008 12:32:30
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03/11/2008 12:40:23
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Boswall,

03/11/2008 12:41:14
FOR THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS:

(taken for ITV-F1)

Lap 66 – Hamilton pits, Glock is 20 seconds behind him.

Lap 67 – Hamilton rejoins and Glock is now eight seconds ahead.

Lap 68 – Glock is 10 seconds ahead.

Lap 69 – Vettel passes Hamilton, Glock is 15 seconds up.

Lap 70 – Hamilton takes three seconds out of his lead.

Lap 71 – Glock loses 13 seconds in sectors one and two. Hamilton’s final lap is 1m26s, Glock’s is 1m 44.731s.

Trulli, who also stayed on dry tyres, does a similar lap time.

So the collapse in the Toyota's lap times is completely consistant with a car out on track on the wrong tyres - go back and look at earlier examples this very season if you want further evidence (Belgium is probably the best).

The anti-Hamilton comments are just the ravings of bitter nationalists and also those who don't like F1 sounding off.

As for the silly Murray/Hamilton comparisons - both guys at the top of their sports but until Murray comes to the end of the season with a Grand Slam or 2 then he's not on the same level of achievement as the F1 World Champ.
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AJ Fife,

03/11/2008 12:52:14
Is there any truth in the rumour that Von Glock was ordered by the so-called 'British' Queen to slow down, and let the hapless Lewis overtake?

Perhaps the 'British' Royal still has influence in her true homeland! Didn't her uncle used to be great pals with Adolf Hitler?
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03/11/2008 13:02:20
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AJ Fife,

03/11/2008 13:11:53
#38,

"Vettel, is also German. Who was instructing him to overtake Hamilton just three laps from the end?"

I would think, Vettel's great uncle who was a Prussian lancer in the Great War! The Prussians are sworn enemies of the House of Saxe-Coburg!



36

Some guy,

03/11/2008 13:21:11
Cant stand all this conspiracy talk and people saying Hamilton is arrogant, spoilt and a daddy's boy sissy.

The wettest parts of the track were from the last corner down through sector one. On the last lap you can see Glock's car squirming about as he tries to get the power down. Even a Honda shot past Glock as if he was stopped, it was the tyres not a conspiracy.

Hamilton is a nice enough person but he is still a young man who is learning. Some of his comments have been ill advised but never malicious. Are all you people trying to tell me if you suddenly became rich and famous you wouldn't start hanging about with you're idols given the chance? Also his dad has sacrified loads to get Hamilton where he is today and Hamilton realises this so whats wrong with him feeling such a strong attachment to him for that?

Finally F1 is a sport, it requires huge concentration, feel, skill and massive amounts of stamina. If you could survive 4-5Gs pressed against your head from varying directions for 1.5 to 2 hours i'd be impressed.
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Douglas,

Bathgate 03/11/2008 13:23:34
You're wasting your time AJ, Vinnie doesn't do laughs.
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tatties n, neeps,

03/11/2008 13:24:57
#37 what kind of mind thinks up a comment like that on a sports thread , aj you have hit rock bottom, if you can't be a sportsman be a man at least ,utter garbage.
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03/11/2008 13:25:51
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CLX,

03/11/2008 13:32:43
#44
Woof, woof..

Hamilton would fit in quite well down there in "little England" with you lot in Costa del Guff....

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Will1875,

03/11/2008 13:32:50
Glock really needs to take a look in the mirror this morning. Lying about not just letting Hamilton past.

A seriously hollow victory for a mediocre driver.

Senna and Schummy would have not left it to fate, they would have went for the win.

Irvine did it years ago and got what he deserved. NOWT. Hamilton was the same yesterday. Its a sad day for F1.

Didn't notice Ron Dennis complaining yesterday. Had Massa won the champoionship there would have been conspiricy theories flying everywhere about Vettel.
42

Nigel's brother,

surrey 03/11/2008 13:32:55
loving the bitterness and jealousy from some contributors.
well done, Lewis, a great English world champion!
43

AJ Fife,

03/11/2008 13:33:54
Hi Peter,

Am jist having a wee bit of fun. Doesn't matter how ridiculous I make it, it always hooks someone like Vincent!:D

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Will1875,

03/11/2008 13:34:12
I would like to see Hamilton in a non competitive car to see how good he really is.

Probably not that good.
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03/11/2008 13:45:02
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AJ Fife,

03/11/2008 13:51:08
#52,

Very true Peter, Coulthard made a right James Hunt of the race yesterday!

A real shame!:)
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Boswall,

03/11/2008 13:52:11
#49

Well we know he's better than Alonso as he beat him fair and square in the same machinery (even with an FIA official unjustly assigned to McLaren to ensure there was no funny business with FA's car).

Maybe you think Alonso's not that good either?
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Malc.F,

France 03/11/2008 13:54:46
I too would have voted for the Englishman Tony Jacklin but to re-iterate, Jim Clark who many people consider the greatest F1 driver ever ,never won BBCSPOTY while Stirling Moss who never won F1 Championship did.
As for the person who called me and others imbeciles for not sharing his point of view,you are correct that I do not really regard F1 as a sport while recognising the great skill and concetration recquired. However I cannot let him get away with his assertion that I would not be able to drive a F1 car.
I managed quite well when I was a speedway rider.
I surprisingly agree with another poster who states that BBCSPOTY is a media bash and has no real relevance to sport....but it doesn't have to be that way.
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03/11/2008 13:55:34
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Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 13:58:03
Jenson who?
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CLX,

03/11/2008 14:05:11
Malc.F

You know, the other great English hope......
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AJ Fife,

03/11/2008 16:01:32
The name Lewis Hamilton still sounds more than a little Scottish!

I reckon we could claim the lad as one of our own!
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Boswall,

03/11/2008 16:09:38
Question to the conspiracy theorists:

Can you explain why when Lewis Hamilton was racing on dry tyres on a damp track in this years Belgian GP - his lap times fell apart in exactly the same way Timo Glock's did in Brazil?

Here's the evidence:

http://www.fia.com/belgiumgp/documents/BEL_08_Race_Lap_Analysis.pdf
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Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 16:29:39
Where in my posts have I been anti-English? I an merely stating the obvious that as far as winning BBCSPOTY English people are more inclined to vote for an English sportsman than one of the other 3 and this is probably even more likely in the case of the other 3 countries who are sick to death of people who should know better continually saying English when they mean British.
It is impossible for English people to know how we feel as satellites of England. This does not mean that I dislike English people per se.
As for turning cartwheels if Paula Ratcliffe were Scottish,you are pre-supposing that this most unsporting athlete,Athens 2004,is someone I would be proud of if she was Scottish, give me Liz McColgan every time who is still to be seen running along the shore at Carnoustie for the sheer love of it not for money.
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AJ Fife,

03/11/2008 16:33:50
Peter,

The 'Brown bounce' is a figment of Brown's PR team's imagination, and I'm sure the population of mid Fife can see through Brown's hard neck! It's a large majority to overcome, but there's a chance the SNP can do it. Mid Fife is traditional Labour territory, but not many can equate the New labour with the values of old Labour. Let's hope the SNP prevail, but it's gonna be close!

As for Hamilton, I forgot about the old tobacco plantation owner slant! Best not go there.....
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Will1875,

03/11/2008 16:34:42
#54 incorrect

Lewis 109 pts
Alonso 109 points

When I was at school they finished the season on the same points in the same car.

Try getting your facts right.
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Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 16:56:50
Peter Baleares. Do you actually read these posts,I would as bad as the people I deride if I would only be happy if a Scot won BBCSPOTY. I just want it to be judged fairly by a panel of experts so that sheer size of population is not a factor and that someone who really deserves it wins and that means someone who lives in BRITAIN ,pays their taxes there and is seen to be a great sportsman/woman.
If it was judged that way we would have had George Best and not Greg Rudzesky,Barry John and not Isle of Mansell and anyone at all before the Royals.
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Boswall,

03/11/2008 17:01:59
Will1875

There's no such thing as 2nd equal in F1 - Hamilton was classified as finishing above Alonso in 07 on merit of having a superior number of 2nd places - thusly Lewis finished 2nd and Alonso finished 3rd in the official classification.

Feel free to check if you wish:

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/archive/Pages/en.aspx

And next time you try to correct someone - make sure you get your own facts right, you'll look less of a prat.
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Malc.F,

France 03/11/2008 17:06:19
AJ Fife If Scotland abandons Labour you better be prepared to vote yes at a referendum or else the British goverment will be forever Tory as Labour have no chance without their large number of Scottish seats.
Gordon Brown is being feted in the rest of the world for his leadership in this WORLD crisis even here in France by the loathsome Sarkozy.
I never thought I would see the day when Scots abandoned the only party ever to stick up for the working man in Scotland. Have you heard that Swinney has said yes to the combover crook? God help us.
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Highland Hibby,

Inverness 03/11/2008 18:42:40
Can we just accept that the English are arrogant, we Scots are bitter, the Irish are thick and the Welsh like their sheep?

Right, now that the sterotypes and insults are out the road, well done Lewis Hamilton.
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Highland Hibby,

Inverness 03/11/2008 18:43:49
"Cheers to Lewis & I hope he beats Schumacher in the number of awards"

I believe Schumacher has already predicted he will.
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Jock Scot,

East Lothian 03/11/2008 18:53:27

Hamilton's paternal grandparents immigrated to the United Kingdom from Grenada in the 1950s. The inhabitants of Grenada include descendants of French, English and Scottish settlers. With a name of Hamilton I think its high time Lewis checks into this ancestry, comes out the closet and starts proudly wearing the kilt. Scotland has been at the vanguard throughout the sport’s history. Despite the country’s size, it is the fifth top nation in the world for producing Formula One World Champions. Scotland has a proud heritage of producing world class racing drivers: Andrew Fletcher, Ron Flockhart, Ninian Sanderson, Innes Ireland, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, John Cleland, David Leslie, Peter Dumbreck, Allan McNish David Coulthard, Dario Franchitti and Colin McRae to mention a few.

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Jock Scot,

East Lothian 03/11/2008 19:58:57

#87 Sir Bob, I don't think so, your British.

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Enigma,

03/11/2008 20:11:58
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I reckon if Lewis checked his ancestry he`d find his family took their name from their Scottish owner, get my drift?

Such a lot of fuss, I haven`t seen Hamilton described as `English` in any of the `English` papers who habitually refer to the likes of Hoy, Murray or Coulthard as `Scots`, just like their Scots counterparts. I`ve yet ro see an English athlete or sportsperson described as such. Don`t worry guys, we don`t don`t get hung up about that sort of thing down here
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blackley,

Edinburgh 03/11/2008 20:16:06
I don't get F1. Any sport where the exciting bits are watching cars heading in for fuel and new tyres does not grip me.
Must be exhilarating driving at that speed, I suppose.
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Jock Scot,

East Lothian 03/11/2008 20:37:21

#85 Enigma

The problem is that though the UK is geographically small, it still has 4 distinctive nationalities - Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish and English. And it is the last named that is always referred to as the country by those outside the UK, thereby upsetting the other three. We use the word 'British' to cover everybody. The fact is over the last couple of years the present government has become more and more obsessed with the concept of 'Britishness'.

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Enigma,

03/11/2008 20:54:16
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The press, especially the BBC habitually refer to an athletes nationality as Scots, Welsh or Irish but English athletes are always `British`. I saw three papers today, the Mail, Indpendent and Mirror.All described Hamilton as `British`, Coulthard was `Scots`.

The British Government may have become obsessed with the notion of `Britishness`. Largely because so many of them are not English and because the Government are terrified of the English becoming more nationally aware.
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Malc.F,

france 03/11/2008 21:57:16
Peter Baleares, are you happy now? What I object to is people who are earning shed-loads of money and are well supported by the British media moving to tax havens while continuing to trade on their Britishness.Nigel Mansell is a Brummy who chose to move to the IOM to avoid paying UK taxes as did many others including the sainted SNP supporter Sean Connery. I live in France but since my pension is from the UK I continue to pay taxes in the UK as I believe it is a ptivilege of civilised society to pay taxes in order to fund what we hold to be important such as health service,education etc. and since my earnings and from that, pension, comes from the UK I judge that is where I will pay my taxes.
It is wrong to single out Hamilton, Coulthard etc but I think that if they are avoiding paying taxes in the country that they continually gain from I for one would not support them in any way.
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Lady Golightly,

03/11/2008 21:58:45
BBC SPOY - Lewis Hamilton has it in the bag, the word is spreading all over the web!

Thanks MalcF
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Malc.F,

france 04/11/2008 08:48:23
Vincent-W So it is sanctimonious to pay your taxes in the country of your birth.No wonder I moved to France.
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Malc.F,

france 04/11/2008 15:27:13
Vincent-W The usual personal attack and rant with those who don't agree with your point of view.
If I can be allowed to make clear my point of view without attacking yours.I do not approve of anyone who uses loopholes in the system to avoid paying tax in their country and then to give one example-Sean Connery -pontificates about how he is a real Scot and we should all vote SNP and devolve from the Union. Think about it if we all did this where would the taxes come from to pay for Education,health,roads etc?
Even Stirling Moss who you could not describe as a man of the left was urging Hamilton to return to the UK and pay hefty tax which would still leave him plenty-his words not mine.Unfortunately Britain still retains a tax system whereby ordinary workers are deducted at source via PAYE while self employed people fill in a tax form and employ accountants to avoid paying as much as possible. This system is palpably unfair and we a few years ago had a Lord who owns a chain of high street butchers boasting on tv that he only paid £10 tax the previous year and it is every Englishmans duty to avoid paying tax.
As to my admitted mis-use of the word sanctimonious I can only say that in no way do I think I an better than others because I pay my tax but used this example to prove I am not a hypocrite.It is a symptom of the sad path taken by the UK that any show of decency and fair play is taken as a kind of weakness,nevertheless I remain a proud Scot who benefited greatly from growing up in Scotland.
Finally as this is supposed to be about motor racing I admit that I do not regard it as a proper sport but apart from the tax issue have no great problems with Hamilton,Coulthard et al.but I don't think I would socialise with them or them with me if truth be told.Please try to argue your point without resort to insult.
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Malc.F,

France 05/11/2008 11:33:41
vincent-W. Thanks for that but one thing,I could not recall saying that Coulthard was "cashing in on his Britishness" so I checked and guess what? I didn't.Thats all.
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Malc.F,

france 05/11/2008 16:31:29
This is getting sillier and sillier. I said that I object to ALL people who do this but it would appear that it is you who decided that I specifically meant David Coulthard which is of course nonsense and you know it.
Being a pensioner and obviously addled in the brain department it has taken until now to realise you are at what we used to call "the wind up".
Now I am not without a sense of humour and I know this because I have quite often heard people say "funny bloke that Malcolm" but enough is enough and my fingers are a'sair and my heid hurts and only a victory for Chris Hoy in this trivial competition will save whats left of my sanity so with the greatest respect please leave to check my Swisss bank account and see if I've enough to finance a F1 team.
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Malc.F,

france 05/11/2008 22:46:48
I give up ,you have won , hope your next bowel movement is a hedgehog and not a slippery eel. Finish.

 

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